Reports: Lookman close to Leipzig move

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Updated Red Bull Leipzig are on the verge of completing the long-awaited transfer of Ademola Lookman, with the winger reportedly set to travel to Germany this week.

According to Sky Sports News, Lookman is due to fly out to undergo a medical "within the next 36 hours" to undergo a medical ahead of a permanent transfer ti the Bundesliga club.

The 21-year-old spent a successful spell with Leipzig last season and was keen to return on a permanent basis but the Blues were reluctant to sell.

A deal initially worth £16m but rising to as much as £22.5m depending on appearances is said to have been agreed.  


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David Pearl
1 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:34:23
Does this mean we are about to sign another striker?

And are we clever enough to include either a buy back or sell on fee?

In any case l hope he fulfils his potential and gets to play.

Barry McNally
2 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:35:27
Hope there's a decent sell on clause - had a lot of hope for him but heart just wasn't in it.
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:38:14
Lots of conjecture about attitude and what not. I have no idea if he was a good apple or bad but obviously he hasn't been playing much. If he isn't going to feature then there is no point letting his contract run down while on the bench.
Hugh Jenkins
4 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:39:03
What did Joe Royle once say "Nowadays they are "Legends" before they are footballers". Case in point here I think too easy for him to believe all the hype and bullshit fed by hangers on and agents.
Steve Bird
5 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:40:04
Take the money, £22 million for a maybe? Yes, please!!!
Pat Kelly
6 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:46:00
He'll hardly be missed.
Jim Bennings
7 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:47:25
Could never see him becoming a regular 90 minute player at Premier League level.

Doesn’t possess the application and consistency.

Would be a great five-a-side player but has never really been good enough to stake a serious claim.

Tony Hill
8 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:47:53
I don't think he ever settled here. Sometimes it just doesn't fit; a surprise and a disappointment given his early, apparent self-assurance. It is right that he has moved to his preferred place and we have received decent value.

He has lots of potential and I hope he fulfils himself.

Eddie Dunn
9 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:49:30
Well now we will see if he can apply himself over a season and perhaps learn if he was treated poorly by Everton or he was just unwilling to bide his time.
John Pierce
10 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:55:53
In the moments he had I saw a very good player. Often easily frustrated by the lack of movement and nous around him. He rarely showed good positive body language. However last season definitely was a chance for him with a coach who could see his up side. It’s frustrating he couldn’t get it together in a supportive environment and with others like Walcott delivering little.

Perhaps with Juventus splashing out this summer this money can be used wisely to get a player from them as they will need to off load. Kean makes a lot of sense albeit a risk.

Michael Kenrick
11 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:56:24
One of those players who looked like they could do it, who made you believe when they stepped on the field that they would do it... but somehow, and for whatever reason, they just never did do it.

It became so frustrating watching him on the ball, convinced he would do some magic. Never happened. At least we're making a profit in terms of transfer fees, but he has to go down as another in a long, long list of absolute failures.

Bill Gienapp
12 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:56:53
I've been one of his biggest advocates, but for whatever reason the breakthrough just hasn't come. Frankly, there's not much point hanging on to him if we're just going to have a repeat of last season's smattering of substitute appearances.
Andy Crooks
13 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:57:59
Sold cheaply, in my view. They really wanted him, so why not make them pay?

I forgot, it is the Everton Way. "After you, sorry, excuse me, don't mean to offend, err, is that too much? How much have you got? That'll do, if you should make a few quid on this, keep us in mind. Hang on, you forgot your change. No, no take it, you could have had a night out on that in my day. No, no, it's only money..."

Inept, as usual. THEY WANTED HIM, ffs. Utterly amateur shite.

Brendan Curtin
14 Posted 16/07/2019 at 20:58:55
Saw him last season early on and it was obvious his heart wasn't in it and was sulking. If you notice in any behind the scenes clips he was always on his own and never seen promoting anything.

Wish him luck though and hope with a change of attitude he becomes a success at his new club. Fingers crossed we have a sell-on clause because he is talented

Gavin Johnson
15 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:01:37
Off subject. Curious link from Phil Kilbride for Mandzukic of Juve. Does anyone know if he's on a free transfer? At 33, if there was any truth it surely wouldn't make any sense unless he was a free transfer or nominal fee.
Steve Bird
16 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:04:19
Andy #13, sold cheaply on what basis?

£22 million, a few sporadic shafts of light? Job done, cash the cheque!!

Shaun McGough
17 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:05:05
Balance the books for Gomes.
Joe McMahon
18 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:05:45
Pat Kelly @ 6, that's a bit harsh. He hasn't been given the opportunities Calvert-Lewin has been given, nor Walcott who I'd rather he replaced. In limited time, he has shown glimpses that have made me leap from my seat (not that many Everton players have done that in past couple of decades).
Kieran Kinsella
19 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:09:21
For all the discussion about this guy in the last few years, he hasn't done much. He took 12 extra games to match Magaye Gueye's Everton goal haul. He played 20 games less, but scored one goal less, and won one championship less than Kevin Langley. He score 3 goals fewer than Preki, played one third the number of games as Cadamarteri. And got almost as much ToffeeWeb talk time as James McFadden.
Derek Knox
20 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:12:54
I think we all had high hopes for Lookman, and he couldn't have had a better debut, scoring against Man City minutes after entering the field of play from the bench. Maybe that set our expectations, as well as his own, on too high a plain.

Sadly he has only shown glimpses of repeating that early promise, changes of Manager can not have helped either, but he never seemed at ease somehow, his body language seemed to signal his mind was somewhere else. Limited appearances can't have helped, but maybe there was a reason for those limited appearances, as I have mentioned many times we are never privy to what goes on at Finch Farm and behind closed doors.

I do wish him all the best, and he seemed to be happier when he went to the Bundesliga last year, Auf Wiedersehn Ade!

Billy Roberts
21 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:13:24
Andy @13, brilliant post.

Strange one this, I genuinely can't figure out who's got the best out of this deal?? We have made a profit but only time will tell.

It's no use analysing it to death; I suppose the club has to start the movement of staff now. I, like many others on this site, have a faith in Brands that wasn't there for a long time.

Frank Crewe
22 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:14:07
Apparently he scored a goal once and in the same game as Tom Davies (I doubt we would get £22 million for him anytime soon). The fact is he didn't do what it said on the tin. This cancels out the fee for Gomes. We got a class player essentially for free and unloaded one who will never make it in the Premier League.
Paul Traill
23 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:22:34
Joe #18. I think, though this is only my opinion, that Lookman doesn't have the right attitude. It speaks volumes that neither Ronald Koeman, Sam Allardyce and Marco Silva have played Lookman. DCL on the other hand, they have all played him, my assumption being because his attitude is spot on.

Regardless, I hope he does well there and fulfills his potential. Good luck Ademola.

Steve Bird
24 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:22:44
Frank #22 got it in one, spot on
Tommy Carter
25 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:23:53
Goodbye and good luck. Didn't do anything in an Everton shirt and I couldn't see a future for him at our club.

Robinson gone as well. This is good, starting to shift players for money. If they are age 19+ and aren't in consideration for the first 11 then ship them on. We've become a waste ground for some time now for rank average ‘young' players. I don't like it, it doesn't serve us in any way.

Ian Bennett
26 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:26:21
It'll be a typical undisclosed fee, so we won't really know if it's good or bad business. £22.5 with a 15% sell on - would be more than acceptable on what he gave last season.

If we can move him and Bolasie on, and sign Malcolm that be a decent upgrade on the team.

Brent Stephens
27 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:27:04
£22m for Lookman and how much for Delph?!

Serious Fraud Office are investigating us on both counts I would imagine. Brands is in serious trouble.

Kunal Desai
28 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:28:08
So far Gomes and Delph in over Lookman and Vlasic certainly improves us.

I just hope I'm not left disappointed over the next few weeks. We still need another three quality first-teamers in. Just get the feeling it will probably go down to the wire like last season and our business will be done on Deadline Day.

Ryan Holroyd
29 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:28:50
Tommy #25

Absolutely spot on

Sam Hoare
30 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:29:21
Tommy@25, if this goes through then looks like you’ll have lost our bet!
Andy Crooks
31 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:33:36
Steve #16 and Frank #22.

We paid £25 million for Bolasie, £12 Million for Niasse, £27 million for Tosun. I forget how much for Klaassen. Would you like to take this chance to reconsider your posts? Surely, please, surely, you might consider the possibility that we have been robbed here?

Lookman will be a top player. Any chance you might post a comment that we have robbed Leipzig? That we will celebrate this? The utterly jaw-dropping silliness of this sale makes me worry about our financial stability.

Kase Chow
32 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:36:49
Good that we're not hanging on to players with so-called potential. I want players to deliver.

Yes a lot of his appearances were as a sub but how many matches did he impact? Look at them lot over the park: Gigi comes on and scores 2 v Barca. Divock scores in the final.

Can't even moan about Lookman's age. Look what Trent is doing. Or even our own Richarlison.

If we hung onto Lookman, it'd be in hope and I'd like to think we're a club beyond that.

Graham Coldron
33 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:37:37
He never seemed happy or comfortable at Everton so, in view of that alone, a move is the best option for all parties. Hopefully the funds generated will go towards a forward.

Has anyone else noticed that this summer there has not been a media frenzy to get certain Everton players to other clubs? Even Richarlison's goal against Man Utd has not sparked the usual shit storm.

Si Pulford
34 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:38:36
Andy. No offence but are you on smack?!

£22.5 million for a player that has never had consecutive good games? It's never going to work out for him at Everton. Four managers (?) haven't thought he was good enough but Andy from ToffeeWeb thinks we've had our pants pulled down and the board are inept.

As I said, no offence like.

Andy Crooks
35 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:42:52
Tommy,#. put on record that you think Lookman is shite. That you think we got a fair price. Then, put on record the same for Robinson.

This time next year, one of us will look like an utter fucking nob... If it is me, I will, hands up, write an apology. Will you do the same?
By the way, I am at an age when I will need to be reminded.

Tommy, this is not personal, I agree with much of your passionate stuff, but Tommy, you have got this one wrong.

Sean Patton
36 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:43:16
We have doubled our money on him and he barely contributed so I can't see how it's a bad deal.

If you add in the fee for Vlasic and the rumoured price of Onyekuru, you are looking at over £50M so maybe Steve Walsh wasn't that bad after all!

Tony McNulty
37 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:45:55
He didn't get too many chances with us. Yet we don't see these players training nor hear what goes on behind the scenes.

The powers that be clearly don't think he is ready or right for us, they don't think he will work out, and I suppose are therefore doing what they consider is a good deal for the club.

At some point I guess we have to have confidence that they know what is best in the circumstances. I am disappointed because I thought he might make it, but my main worry remains whether or not we can get a decent striker.

Andy Crooks
38 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:47:45
Si, I am not on smack. But, alcohol,well err..yes. Still, think we could have got more. Surely, Si, think what Levy would have done with this.
Andrew Keatley
39 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:48:10
It’s a shame Lookman arrived at a time of flux, with managerial changes and a major personnel merry-go-round making it hard for him to get games in a settled side. I think he’s got a lot of talent, can make things happen, and will find his feet playing off a central striker rather than out wide. He seems to thrive when managers back him - like he did at Charlton, for junior England sides, and at Leipzig. I’m sad to see him go - but if he wasn’t going to break into the starting XI then moving him on is probably the right thing. We need to be competitive now, and if we need to swell our transfer budget then selling fringe players for profit is understandable.
Steve Bird
40 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:53:48
Andy #31 appreciate your offer to let me reconsider. Mmmmmm... no, I'm good, great business, next contestant please!

Seriously, Andy, I respect your view but can't find any basis to agree.

Phillip Warrington
41 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:55:08
Yep... Brands's new policy – to sell all our young talent... and our new transfer policy – we now buy players over 27 who must not be able to get a game for teams we are trying to compete with. Well done, Everton, once again!
Hugh Jenkins
42 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:59:45
Andy (31) - I imagine its all about market forces. Lookman's not happy at EFC. His contract is running down. He's not impressing Silva and is unlikely to get much more game time because of that. On the face of it, the only side interested in him is RB Leipzig. If there was huge interest from elsewhere, we could hold an auction but, in the circumstances it seems that this is the best we are going to get for an unhappy player who is running down the clock.

In short then - no, we ae not being ripped off - this is the best we can get.

James Hughes
43 Posted 16/07/2019 at 21:59:58
Andy, #31 it's possible that Mola will become a top player but it won't happen whilst he stays with us. The fee quoted is the going rate and still good business and frees funds for other players.

He never appeared happy to be playing for us, so like any bad relationship, just move on.
A question, what do you think he's worth?

Graeme Beresford
44 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:04:45
To me, he never looked the player we all wanted him to be. I remember watching him at Goodison in a cup game, I think against Southampton, and his attitude was all off. I remember him throwing his tie up’s onto the pitch whilst he was walking off once his number came up to be subbed.

I hope he does well but what I will always remember about him is a kid that doesn’t know what to do with the ball. Seems to turn, run, turn again, run, turn, run... then lose the ball. I hope it all works out for him and he becomes the player he wants to be but right now I still consider him a talent but it’s whether he can knuckle down, realise his talent and push on from it. I think he needs more game time but the way the premier league is nowdays you can’t really afford passengers on the pitch. Maybe Germany he will be allowed to progress.

Best of luck to him. Buy back clause for 15million would be great though.

Lee Courtliff
45 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:05:30
Never really rated this lad. He's obviously got some ability but given our need elsewhere and the fact 4 different managers have refused to play him regularly then I'm quite happy to let him go.

Best of luck to him.

Si Pulford
46 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:06:48
Am only joking Andy. I can see both sides. I just don’t think it has or will work for him at Everton. I do believe he’s got the talent to be a great player but not for us. I think it’s a fair price for a player that so far, has done the square root of Eff all. Wish him all the luck in the world and would deffo want to include a buy back or sell I’m just incase.

Richard Mason
47 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:09:53
I thought he was was a very good player, great strike from distance, but if he is not fancied at Everton best off moving on. I think he will have a fantastic season with redbull. Hopefully we get that left footed winger and a striker
Brent Stephens
48 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:09:56
I think in Lookman we signed potential and unfortunately that potential has developed as we'd hoped. These things happen.
Anthony Murphy
49 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:13:47
I don’t think he wanted to be a blue. Good young player who may have made it with us, but his heart wasn’t in it
Chris Green
50 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:14:34
im sad to see him go, but frankly he hasn’t kicked on. Being good in one league (Bundesliga) doesn’t mean good for the prem. we have seen that a lot. £22.5 is a good fee, with sell on. Brands ISNT in trouble. He’s clearing the decks of players who aren’t Everton. Good luck Ademola, I hope the Bundesliga does it for you!!
Jer Kiernan
51 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:20:12
I think this lad was a quiet shy type who WE never got the best out off (Leipzig seemed to have no problem?), he had the courage to run a mile from Fat Sams team ( who could blame him now) and I believe he will make good and we will live to regret this for the poultry sum we are getting for him

If Gana goes also there better be some sexy signings before end of the Window or this will be a washout for me and progress will not follow

Another Good player gone none of the "deadwood" seem to be going anywhere by the way
Our energy would better be served getting some of the bums who are stinking the place out, off the books ,rather than the player that Silva himself called "the future" of the club

I am concerned.

Rob Dolby
52 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:20:48
He had chances but didn't take them. He would limp out of games or not put a shift in.

When we pasted Arsenal at our place he came on for a cameo then was straight down the tunnel at the end.

His body language was always poor.

His work rate doesn't match Bernards or Walcott's though I do think he has better quality than both of them.

Take the money and go and buy a striker pity they don't want Mirallas as well.

Si Smith
53 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:31:31
Crazy how divided opinions are on this, but I can see both sides !!!!

Yes £22m for an unproven kid who apparently lacks desire in training, but on the other side of this coin he has the potential to become a worldie.

I'm one who believes Lookman will spend the majority of his career at Champions league clubs, he will be a player who got away, and with the right manager he could have went for double at some stage soon.

But if Silva wont play him, and Brands agrees it's best for him to go then quite simply we have to trust the men in charge.

I myself feel our hands have now been forced, I didnt want to sell Lookman but it's becoming increasingly obvious that we are not the club for him.

If I had to guess what the future holds I'd guess he will become a full time England international and play for a bigger club that the level we are currently at by the time he is 24.

Jerome Shields
54 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:36:21
Lookman could not replace Walcott and failed to develop the defensive know how to do so. Glad that Leipzig came in with a improved offer.
Andrew Keatley
55 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:39:41
Graeme (44) - A buy-back clause of £15 million? I hope you’ve pressed the wrong numerical keys there, and aren’t suggesting we propose a buy-back clause with a transfer fee that is less than the original transfer fee. Can you think of any reason why Leipzig might not be keen to sign up for it? Tell you what; why don’t I sell you a kilo of gold now for £35k, but if I want to I can buy the same kilo back next year for £20k. Happy with that?
Sam Hoare
56 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:44:08
A shame. He didn’t get a lot of chances to show his talent. But then maybe he didn’t earn them. Silva spoke on several occasions of how talented he was but that he was not consistent in training.

I’ve no idea what things were like behind the scenes but he always looked a bit like a player whose heart was still in Leipzig last year.

If a player doesn’t want to be at your club then nine times out of ten you’ve got to sell them. A real shame as I think him and Vlasic could be real stars in 5 years time. Let’s hope we got some excellent sell on clauses!

Chris Gould
57 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:44:16
Lookman will never be a top class player. Not a chance. His attitude is shocking and he really hasn't ever shown much of anything. Glimpses of good stuff, but mostly poor.
He didn't actually play many games for Charlton, barely got any games for us, and actually had as many poor games for Leipzig as he did good games (I'm aware of how many assists and goals he scored).
Silva and Brands talked him up and gave him every opportunity. They said he was the present and the future. All Silva needed was some graft in training on a consistent basis. He couldn't or wouldn't do it.
He didn't want to be here and wasn't prepared to give Silva a chance.
Very pleased he's gone and there will be no buy back clause!! He doesn't want to be here. So why the hell would he come back?! The player has to actually agree to come back, and we don't want players who won't work hard and don't want to be here.
22.5 million is a fair price. In fact it's a lot considering he's underachieved and barely played. You can only get what a club is willing to pay, and Leipzig is not a rich club.

Jim Wilson
58 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:45:58
Another bad move!
Tom Bowers
59 Posted 16/07/2019 at 22:51:53
It's a good sell by Everton as the lad doesn't seem to fit into Silva's plans especially after Walcott came in and to be honest is another young player who hasn't made the strides expected in the Prem.
It's easy to say that perhaps he should have gotten more playing time and maybe he would have shown the skills he was bought for but managers are under the cosh to produce a competitive team and don't always get the time to wait for a player to come good.
Tommy Carter
60 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:02:31
@35 Andy

Are you addressing me?

If so, I’m not sure I’ve stated that Lookman is shite.

Personally, I’ve seen enough of him in the flesh at Goodison to see that he isn’t getting better than what he already is.

Maybe that is the fault of coaches not using him in a way that suits him. Well if that is to the detriment of how Marco Silva wants his teams to play then it is goodbye and good luck.

Personally I don’t feel that we will regret this one. I’m not saying he’s shite, but will he be better than a forward player in our starting XI come January? I think not. I think we can do better. That’s all

As for Robinson, I think he’s moved to a level that suits him. He’s capable of becoming a decent premier league full back, no more than that. Certainly nowhere near a level of a peak Leighton Baines, or even Lucas Digne currently.

Brent at #48 puts it very simply and very accurately for me, so thanks Brent.

I like to be pragmatic, at the expense of romance when it comes to football. I’d love more than anyone for one of these 21-24 year olds we have on our books to suddenly become a phenomenon, or even capable of playing first team football consistently at EFC to a good standard. But your eyes don’t generally fail you. And unless someone is seeing something I’m not, has seen it (it’s happened) with these players then all I see are a bunch of players who do occasionally well on loan spells at lesser clubs in lesser competitions and then absolutely do not perform for Everton when given minutes on the pitch.

Michael Lynch
61 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:06:29
Not sure I ever saw him smile in an Everton shirt. Of course he might have been doing cartwheels inside, but anyway I hope he'll be happier at Leipzig. Shame really, he could have been the next Danny Cadermarteri.
Conor McCourt
62 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:13:11
Si Smith 53-you basically covered everything I wanted to say. For those questioning if this guy will ever make it in the Prem I have no doubts he will be the one who got away and I'm really annoyed by this.

However I accept the argument that he was never happy but I really believe this kid is going to haunt us. On the face of it seems good business for what he's actually produced but I was hoping that this season he would be given a real chance.

I do understand the clubs position though but there is so much dross that needs sold before Lookman. I believe in a few years the tone of toffee web will be much different on this kid.

Paul Birmingham
63 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:13:47
I think 5heres an under lying message here to all players but to the youngsters on the threshold of Dong the business and those who’ve got contracts and don’t develop in the player EFC, MB wants.

But if true good business as all in all Molas heart, has not really been in it, in my view.

Good luck to him in Germany and the future, hopefully we can move and bring some strikers in soon..

Brian Wilkinson
64 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:17:40
Lookman seems to be the marmite test,either liked him or didn't, no middle ground.

For me he never seemed to have his heart set on Everton.

Have a look at his body language when we turned Leipzig down, then have a look at Gauye when we turned Psg down last season, one gave his all, the other had a face liked a smacked arse.

No use keeping a player if his heart is not in the club.

Gauye may well leave as well, but at least he gave his all when he had the Everton shirt on.

Might well do a job in Germany, but his heart just was not at Everton.

Delph has come in for a not sure, but he will be a decent leader on the pitch and in the dressing room.

They are the players I want, battlers, giving their all for the fans and the team, players that will give that extra when needed.

Good bit of business if you ask me for the price of Gomes.

Steve Carse
65 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:25:31
If we were to consistently sell players on the basis of brief appearances in their early seasons then its sobering to note that our much lauded mid-80s side would never have included Ratcliffe, Mountfield, and Sharp. They were all either downright awful or somewhat less than impressive.
In any squad of players it's always useful to retain one or two players who give you something none of the others can. Lookman is in this category. We will probably never know why he was rarely selected. But certainly without regular selection it is surely impossible for any of us to have judged him with any great certainty.
James Flynn
66 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:25:40
Never understood what others saw in Lookman.

If Delboy with us was a show pony, this kid was a mannequin.

He wanted away. Leipzig wanted him. We got a good price for someone never going to make it in the Prem. Everybody happy.

Brian Wilkinson
67 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:34:05
Steve@50, those players you mentioned wanted to play for Everton, three different managers have seen something they do not like in Lookman.

Whether it is down to his attitude or whatever, three different managers have seen something we do not know about.

Brian Wilkinson
68 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:36:11
On a final note, how many times did he turn out for the under 23s.
Andy Crooks
69 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:37:13
The point I have tried to make,is, not that we should keep Lookman, but we should rob them. Daniel Levy would have dragged them to the last minute of the window and laughed at their miserable offer. We have been robbed. Is the world so insane that an £2.5 million, at least,means nothing.The same as Robinson's fee?I am not arguing about then merits of Lookman.
I am suggesting that we, year after year after fucking year, buy dear and sell cheap.
Denis Richardson
70 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:38:30
£22m for a player not fancied or played by the manager is a decent deal, especially as I think Koeman bought him for £11m(?).

Should really have sold last year and let the lad go when he wanted. Sale now best for both sides I think as he clearly wants to leave and go back to Leipzig.

Another £22m very welcome to the coffers I imagine.

Andy Crooks
71 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:42:25
Sorry, seems to be no edit. I suggested that even an extra couple of million would make a difference.
Chris Corn
72 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:45:56
I sum Lookman up as a player you like the idea of...
Brian Wilkinson
73 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:50:38
This is what Silva had to say earlier this season.

Silva would explain in an interview in March 2019 that the young winger had not been showing enough in terms of desire on an ongoing basis at Finch Farm and that was a contributory factor in his lack of gametime.

”We know what his quality is and you know I believe in his quality since the first day I saw him, so it has to be same Lookman everyday with the same desire everyday,” the Portuguese told the Liverpool Echo. “He needs to understand what the coach wants coming from him, and any winger in our model, because, after that, the quality he has. He is a young football player but, being honest with you, I expect Ademola to be on a different level already this season.

“I keep believing, 100%, in his quality as a football player, there are no doubts about that, but what I want to see coming from him is the same desire coming from him, each day, to achieve that, to reach that level he wants and the level I believe he can play at."

Chris Mason
74 Posted 16/07/2019 at 00:00:20
That last comment above tells it all. Didn’t have the desire in training. Which is disrespectful to his team mates for a start.

Good luck to the young millionaire.

Andrew James
75 Posted 16/07/2019 at 00:01:09
I agree with Mr Crooks. We have probably not got the maximum fee for AL.

But that might be because the only club wanting to buy him were in the Bundesliga which isn't as flush as the PL.

I am saddened he wanted to leave but, as others have said, he struggled to get game time under 3 coaches and Silva was perfectly happy to give DCL opportunities...

Bill Gienapp
76 Posted 17/07/2019 at 00:19:43
Andy, if it makes you feel better, plenty of City fans are up in arms, complaining that WE robbed THEM by only paying 8.5 million for Delph.
Steve Brown
77 Posted 17/07/2019 at 00:38:02
Agree with Andy, we haven't good the right fees for Lookman or Robinson. They will both come good so I hope we have good sell-on clauses. It also makes our stated policy of building/buying young and developing players looking a bit hollow.
Ed Prytherch
78 Posted 17/07/2019 at 00:39:45
He made his mind up that he was going to leave over a year ago and he has engineered his sale with his behaviour. We may have wanted to keep him if he had played well.
Jason Broome
79 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:05:30
Potential this potential that... whatever.

Sir Alex Ferguson developed the moving bus philosophy at Man Utd. Those incapable of keeping up got left behind.

Like Deulofeu, and McFadden, Lookman will never be a world beater if he can't get his mind right. A mid-table Le Tissier who flatters to deceive.

Unlike Christiano Ronaldo who (no matter the club) diets, trains and plays with the passion of a 1000 virgins on date night.

Each year we have potential to be something more, and each year we get held back by players who echo the same.

Time to leave potential and hand-holding at the kiddies table and get our bus moving.

Lookman's departure will leave a seat (I hope) for someone who fights for it.

Brian Wilkinson
80 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:16:03
Spot on, Ed and Jason.
Rob Marsh
81 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:22:29
His overall game wasn't good enough, defensively he wasn't good enough, even attacking mids are expected to make a contribution these days.

Having said the above, if he'd shown us more that just the flashes he did, EFC would have forgiven him his shortcomings.

I would actually take Bernard over him for his overall contribution and attacking ability. I believe we'll see a lot more out of Bernard next season.

Take the Lookman money and run!

Bill Watson
82 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:31:26
Chris #57

What you said!!

Lookman will never become a week in, week out, top Premiership player,

An excellent piece of business; money in and a waste of space off the payroll.

Jer Kiernan
83 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:33:30
Jason @79,

That's all well and good, the moving bus etc etc... but it makes the assumption we have something better in his (or Gana's) place, As Fergie would have had the finances to replace potential with quality. We may end up with a bus full of deadwood at this rate.

Walcott??? A washed-up Arsenal reject whos career is long over. I actually think Silva was negligent in picking him ahead of the likes of Lookman on too many occasions last season.

I hope you are right in your assumption but I am starting to doubt.

Derek Thomas
84 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:40:11
Couldn't even keep Walcott out of the team, we doubled our money, never seemed 'happy' either 'oop north' or at The Club; 0 and 3 in our favour to my mind.
David Ellis
85 Posted 17/07/2019 at 05:05:25
His chance was last season it came and went. Time to move on. I wish him well, he has the talent but it seems not the applicatoin for EFC.
Jason Broome
86 Posted 17/07/2019 at 05:22:44
@ Jer Kiernan

1. I'm hoping we keep Gana as his attitude, body language and professionalism is better than Lookman's.

2. I trust Marcel Brands to bring in Malcom or another quality, young player who has a point to prove to replace Lookman.

3. We got our business going a little late last year. Marcel did extremely well with who he brought in. I'm expecting him to do the same this window.

4. Silva stated that Lookman worked hard only 50% of the time in training. Hate to say it but shit or not Walcott possibly gave more.

I think Ed is right. He wanted to move and engineered it with his attitude. We have quality in our team. Marcel will add to it and we will move forward.

Annika Herbert
87 Posted 17/07/2019 at 05:58:02
Not too disappointed that we have sold Lookman although I do think he will turn out to be a top player. It just never looked like it was going to happen with us.

But I am very concerned that we seem to be selling our promising talent, not selling our overpaid flops, and bringing more deadwood in with the likes of Delph!!

I'm very disappointed with our transfer business so far, except for the Gomes deal. I would hope to see Mirallas, Walcott and Niasse gone before the window closes.

Alan J Thompson
88 Posted 17/07/2019 at 06:10:29
No wonder we're called bitter, the sour grapes on here;
"He was shite, never smiled, bad body language, threw his tie-ups away,never make it, couldn't keep Walcott out, this is good business. Oh,did we have a sell on clause?"

Goes on loan to Leipzig, scores 5 in 11 appearances and they've been chasing him ever since and a season later land the man. Why couldn't our coaching staff get that out of him? Lookman, Onyekuru, Bowler all go out on loan to improve while we are reported to be chasing other widemen. How does it go, "In M&M we trust!"

Tony Abrahams
89 Posted 17/07/2019 at 06:48:58
The only people who call us bitter are the easily offended Liverpudlians, Alan J.

Young players are supposed to go out on loan, if they are not getting enough game time for their own team, and Everton are reportedly in for everyone, so it’s probably anyone’s guess, who we will actually end up signing?

Andy Meighan
90 Posted 17/07/2019 at 07:14:19
Andy @69,

Why do you keep referencing Levy? What has he got to do with us? He's not chairman or majority shareholder and he probably wouldn't have got much more out of Leipzig.

The fact is, this kid has been given chances and not taken them. I see him at Everton as an impact player – someone to bring on when the game is stretched and defenders are tiring. We've got a good price for him and, as someone earlier said, there's hardly been a clutch of clubs queuing up to buy him.

Oh, and the kid needs to smile a bit more as well – he looks to be one miserable git. He might be more talented than say Calvert-Lewin but that lad would die for Everton and you can see what it means to him to play for us.

Take it from me, he won't be missed. One senior goal to his name says it all.

Alan J Thompson
91 Posted 17/07/2019 at 07:15:07
Tony(#89); That could be read as what Charlton, Anderlecht and QPR have done but there must come a time when we sign young players to actually play in our 1stXI. Presently, we (M&M) seem to have signed and played only Brazilian, Columbian, French and Portuguese internationals and while their is nothing wrong with that it doesn't seem to give any opportunity to promising youngsters to show if they can fulfil their potential or if the coaching they are receiving is actually doing any good.

One your first sentence,Tony, how then would you see the comments above as I see a lot of frothing over the incoming Delph but just good riddance to Lookman who did seem to thrive during his short time at Leipzig, not that it seems to have done him any good on his return.

Si Cooper
92 Posted 17/07/2019 at 07:18:59
Don’t agree with anything along the lines of sulked, petulant or rank average.
I would say that he always appeared tense apart from isolated flashes when he was presumably just acting on instinct.
There is talent there. Whether it will ever be truly liberated is the question.
Jim Bennings
93 Posted 17/07/2019 at 07:55:31
EIther way you are drawn on this transfer there’s no getting away from the fact we are getting £22 million for a player that hasn’t scored a league goal since 2017 (and he has actually played quite a fair few minutes to add to that tally)

We ask for more firepower well Lookman’s return wasn’t going to be the answer with a low input like that.

Subs appearances or not, players have had a good impact from the bench over the years, Victor Anichebe was always good for a goal so too was the likes of Steven Naismith.

Lookman didn’t offer the same kind of threat, ran down blind alleys with not enough at the end of them.

What it does do however it tells us that if we are getting £22 million for a player that’s contribution was near zero , then if one of the worlds richest clubs in PSG do come back for Gana then they quickly need telling its well in excess of £50 million pounds of we don’t even talk!

Hugh Jenkins
94 Posted 17/07/2019 at 07:57:46
Annika (87) - I am sure that Brands is doing his very best to move on these final three players you name (and others).

The problem is, previously they were given long contracts on good money.

To move them on we therefore need clubs that want them and are willing to offer them either long contracts on similar money or even longer contracts with less money.

In short, those players are going nowhere until either their current contracts expire or we find clubs that have a set up similar to the Walsh / Koeman system of football management.

I'm not holding my breath.

Daniel A Johnson
95 Posted 17/07/2019 at 08:13:16
Good sale for a player who would never sign a new contract here and would leave for free eventually.

We get £20M+ for a player who didn't even start 5 matches last season and didn't want to be here. People are saying its a poor fee but we got Gomes for £26M so for me its a fair price.

I just hope that there is a sell on fee so if he does become the next English superstar in the Bundesliga worth £75M we at least get a percentage when red Bull sell him on.

Ray Said
96 Posted 17/07/2019 at 08:33:09
I have always thought he was wasted stuck out on the wing. I think he looks like the type of player to play behind the striker and needs freedom to just go forward-i doubt we could afford ourselves the luxury of playing like that. I think he will prosper and develop in the right team structure.
Michael Lynch
97 Posted 17/07/2019 at 08:41:41
After reading the full quote from Marco Silva (Brian @73), I think that nails it for me. None of us can truly say if Lookman will become the player that he's capable of becoming, but he's not progressing at Everton and therefore, at this stage, it's best for the club and for the player if he moves on. He's being sold to a club he enjoyed playing for, and that club clearly thinkst hey can get the best out of him.

One thing it does flag up though, is the danger of loaning a young player out to a decent club in a different league. If they do well, can it turn their head and leave them unwilling participants in the Everton squad when they return?

Martin Berry
98 Posted 17/07/2019 at 08:43:53
Here we have a very talented 21 year old who is English, but he is being sold, the type of player that if not already at Everton you would assume M&M would be looking at.
There must be a reason ? and a previous posters comments made by Marco about Lookman in training must be the reason otherwise why would you let him go having so much potential ?
Also I think a replacement will be announced within a few days of his departure-Malcolm will be that replacement, he is a player we having been chasing for 12 months.
Eddie Dunn
99 Posted 17/07/2019 at 08:43:54
With some of us wondering if we have inserted a sell-on clause in this deal, I wonder also, if Charlton have a sell-on deal with us?
Dan Brierley
100 Posted 17/07/2019 at 08:50:18
Alan 88, our coaching staff couldn't get it out of him because of his lack of effort in training. It's been well documented, Silva spoke out about him more than once. We need players willing to die to get their chance to play in our shirt, not people refusing to put in effort during training as they don't like tracking back when not in possession. These are exactly the players we want out of our squad if we want to progress. Squad unity is essential, and having some prima Donna not pulling their weight will annoy everyone.

Scoring 5 goals 2 years ago in Germany against bottom half sides (2 of which were against Wolfsburg who were 2nd bottom) doesn't justify what he produced during the 600 minutes he played for us last season, and the fact the manager had to go public about his lack of effort in training.

Sam Hoare
101 Posted 17/07/2019 at 09:17:00
My regret is not that we are selling him but that we did not give him more opportunities last season. The only time he started 2 matches in a row was during that horrible January slump when the whole team was off.

5 starts in league and Fa cup. 1 goal and 2 assists.

Walcott by contrast got 24 starts with 5 goals and 2 assists.

Its a shame he didn't get more of a run in the team but as has been said above it seems likely he did not do enough on the training pitch to earn it.

James Marshall
102 Posted 17/07/2019 at 09:17:18
We paid somewhere in the region of £10m for him inc add-ons, and now he's leaving for something like £22m having been a bit-part-player who's done basically nothing for us. I think that's a decent turnaround.

I've never really rated him, but that's I guess more to do with him barely playing. He has talent, but some players just don't fit at a club and he's always felt like one of those players.

Also, I just read that his full name is Ademola Lookman Olajade Alade Anfield Aylola Lookman, and the obvious part of that name is enough to get rid of him anyway!

We won't miss him, harsh as it sounds.

Steve Carse
103 Posted 17/07/2019 at 09:25:30
Dan [100] maybe Lookman was never happy at Everton. But why is it that 'our coaching staff couldn't get it out of him'?
You talk about him not producing anything in the time he was on the pitch last season. Wow, a whole 600 minutes -- the equivalent to 6 and a half games, and surely too short a time for anyone to be able to judge a player.
Tony Abrahams
104 Posted 17/07/2019 at 09:29:44
I think if players prove they are good enough, Alan J, then they will be played.

I view the comments, or most of the comments, as a mixture between sensible, and irrational, and had a post removed which claimed it was just a usual thread on T/W, with a mixture of under and overwhelming views.

It's all personal opinions Alan J, and whilst you seem to think loads on here are bitter, my own definition is that some people don't think enough before writing sometimes, possibly because they are on a website that is only generally used by Evertonians.

I'm happy we've signed Delph, and I'm sad to see Lookman go, but I don't think he will look back fondly on his time at Goodison, once he'd got his debut goal out of the way. So, for that reason, I think it's a good move for everyone.


Jim Harrison
105 Posted 17/07/2019 at 09:59:06
Worst thing this lad did was score on his debut!! The expectations of him since have been too high.

Shame it hasn't worked out, wrong timing or perhaps wrong club. But £10 million profit on a squad player is a decent return.

He is the same age as Richarlison and has yet to look anything more than a decent impact sub to me.

Neil Wood
106 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:02:55
We will regret this sale. He will be worth £100 million within 3 years.

I will have a bottle of wine bet with anyone who chooses?

Jack Convery
107 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:08:30
Business is business and this is business. He wasn't doing it for us – god knows why.

Did EFC try with Lookman? I'm sure they did... but it never looked likely that the promise we bought would be seen at Goodison, though it was in Germany. Maybe Germany suits him better, who knows?

A sell-on clause must have been included; otherwise, we have been very naive as he will surely succeed in Germany and, when he does, Leipzig will more than double their money.

At the present time we got better value for £22m with Gomes and the present is all that counts.

Colette Black
108 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:11:47
We certainly won't miss his attitude and application. He was always a sulky, petulant, little boy. "Wet behind the ears" as my Gran would have said. Hard to believe he's a millionaire – the world is crazy! Or, at least, the world of sport.

Anyway, moving on, he just never quite seemed to fit in for whatever reasons despite showing early promise. Let's hope for some exciting, quality, additions soon.

Steven Telford
109 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:13:36
Given the odd 15-20 mins every 4th game or so, that's not a fair chance to shine on the big stage. Damned by tenuous rumours about attitude in training, well if people base their judgement on such rumours alone, Pogba would not be given a chance in our starting 11.

He is extremely skillful, wonder-kid style feet.

Davy Klaassen has done pretty well (and he would have captained Ajax to the Champions League semis) had he been there last season.

If he goes, he departs without having been given barely fair chance at all. And at that price, the sell-on clauses should be 30%-plus or we are mugs.

Simon Smith
110 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:16:25
Good transfer fee for what is effectively a reserve/sub at best.
For those saying we should have got more money... were you at the negotiations? You have no idea what Leipzig started at. We doubled our money on a bad asset. Doesn't get much better than that.
John Hammond
111 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:20:43
Good luck to the lad. I can't see him wanting to stick around having gotten so little playing time over the last couple of seasons and who knows what the reasons are for that? I doubt there'll be a buy-back clause as you can't see him ever wanting to come back but I really hope there's a sell-on clause.
Jim Bennings
112 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:27:01
Neil @106,

I don't know if you were joking or not but I don't think Lookman will be worth anything like £100 million in 3 years time, not every young player is going to be astronomically great!

I remember about four years back hearing that Ross Barkley would be an international class world beater — he's hardly cracked on since 2015, arguably not even the player he was back then.

Simon Smith
113 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:30:18
Neil,

I highly doubt that he will ever be worth £100 million... however I can guarantee that he'd never be worth that whilst at Everton.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
114 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:33:58
Marco: "What are we going to do with Lookman then, Marcel?"

Marcel: "Well, we got him for £7.5M with add-ons and none of those have been triggered. He has 2 years left on his contract. We have a number of choices because I cannot see any chance of him signing a new contract in the next 24 months unless we massively overpay him. So we could do that - but that would be stupid.

"We could let him run out his contract - which could be even more stupid. We could play him every week and hope he does come good, but I think that is a risky strategy and could hurt the team in terms of results.

"The other alternative is we take the money now. That gives us £20+ million, £15m profit, keeps Mr Moshiri happy and gives me some opportunities to improve the team. Shall I go and talk to RB Leipzig?"

Sam Hoare
115 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:44:44
I'm more concerned that we have let West Ham have Sebastian Haller. I think he could be a really excellent player for them and would have suited our high crossing game a lot. I'm very surprised we did not go for him.

I guess Brands/Silva have their hopes pinned on either Kean or Leao but I predict we may regret not going for Haller. Big, strong, hard working, intelligent and knows where the net is. Could have been the striker to tie everything together and there are not a lot of those out there!

Tony Everan
116 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:55:57
He wasn't going to make the first team again this season as a starter, so this decision is right for him and the club.

I hope he does well and I will follow his progress, it will be interesting to see if we have a sell on or buy back clause. As he has so much talent as he gets older and tougher he will become a lot better. In 2-3 years time we could be ruing this decision if we don't have a clause.

Dave Williams
117 Posted 17/07/2019 at 11:00:16
He has been given lots of opportunity and hasn't delivered. A few bright cameos but not productive – reminds me of Beattie who, for 15 mins, could look awesome but never knew how to play someone in.

Silva clearly expected more from him in training than he was prepared to give and Phil #114 sums it up nicely. Take the money and invest in someone who wants to be here. Lookman never seemed happy to me!

Conor McCourt
118 Posted 17/07/2019 at 11:00:23
I think there is a lot of overly harsh comments on Lookman about successive managers not fancying him, him being a bad egg and not being good enough.

Defenders of Lookman don't see him as a certain starter and we can all see he needs to improve the ugly side of the game but he offers something unique and will be more effective in the Deulofeu role. Koeman liked him but he was very raw at that stage so his lack of games is understandable, Fat Sam wouldnt have played Messi at that age and you could see that Silva wanted him to succeed but perhaps Mola was just too unsettled.

As much as I like our manager he said he would try to make him happy to get the best out of him. When Mola played he often did well and then was benched and not even the preferred sub.

With regards to attitude and Walcott being better defensively, you could see that no doubt Theo is the more wily and carried out the coaches instructions better but even after a game where Walcott chickened out of a challenge and downed tools like I rarely have seen from a player of ours, Theo was retained.

I wouldn't have played him for a month and this should have been a chance for Mola. For over half a season both Bernard and Walcott were poor but they kept getting chances yet Lookman showed he could be an asset yet got a few minutes here and there. Even when he changed a few games there was no carrot and he was quickly jettisoned... I don't think you can put that down to poor attitude.

Listen, if a player wants to go, show him the door but I still don't think he was handled all that well and understandable he was a little disillusioned.

Derek Thomas
119 Posted 17/07/2019 at 11:19:18
Neil @ 106; I'll take that bet.
Jer Kiernan
120 Posted 17/07/2019 at 11:30:57
Jason @86

I will judge the Window at the end however am very concerned we are letting a very promising player go for the price of a couple of months wages of the average hanger-on in the club, And my point stands the moving bus analogy relies on there being somebody of better quality (or at least access thereof) waiting to take the vacant seat, this is not the case in either Gana or Lookman in my opinion thus far.

It is more concerning to me that Walcott, a Fat Sam signing if ever there was one (hey, run fast and that will keep the crowd on your side) is not unpacking his bag in the MLS and you should be too.

If you want a washed-up Walcott who will work hard in training well no problem, I honeslty didn't like Silva's point about Lookman not trying in training (this is pub manager stuff for me) what he does on the pitch when it counts is ALL that matters end of story.

Ed's opinion is just, that an opinion, we do not know what is going on behind close doors and is unfair to say the lad engineered anything.

Thanks.

Dave Abrahams
121 Posted 17/07/2019 at 11:41:27
I think the kid had loads of talent, didn’t really get a lot of time, on the pitch, to show it, may have had an attitude problem? Don’t really know about that.

To be honest if we could have transferred Walcott for the same money and got his wages off the books it would have been better for me.

What’s done is done, and Brands seems to be slowly but surely balancing the books, even though some of the deadwood will be near impossible to get shut of.

John McFarlane Snr
122 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:07:31
Hi Tony[104] another level headed, sensible post [you must take after your mother,] the whole issue is one of opinion, and the opinion's of Brands and Silva are the final factors.

We as supporters play no part in transfer negotiations, which is just as well in my opinion, [when you read the names being bandied about.] There are I would imagine, obstacles to overcome. Does the player's club want to sell? If so, what price do they want for him? Are we prepared to pay that price? Does the player wish to sign for us?, and other, somewhat minor details.

I have to place my trust in the ability of the management to secure players of quality, my role as a supporter is to "support".

Fran Mitchell
123 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:08:15
A shame, and think he'll thrive and will soon be an England international.

I really hoped he would take over from Walcott, and Walcott could be free to join Newcastle or somewhere of the sorts.

For me our current forwards only Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison and Bernard inspire any confidence. Hopefully Malcom, or someone of his ilk will come in, and one more too.

If Walcott and Tosun are still part of the first team come August, I'll be disappointed.

Personally, I feel we missed a good opportunity with Che Adams, he'd have been a good addition as back-up/competition striker.

James Marshall
124 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:18:06
I always got the feeling it came down to a lack of trust in Lookman. Several managers appeared to have exactly the same feeling towards him. He was given occasional opportunities but rarely did much defensively and appeared (to me) to very much play for himself.

He just never seemed to be fully trusted to work hard enough for the team, which you simply can't have in an 11-man game. Having talent is one thing, having work rate and a team ethic is quite another. There are many players in world football with bags of ability who never reach the heights because they don't put in the effort. The very best players also have work rate to go with their skill.

Walcott may not be everyone's cup of tea, but for a manager he works hard and tracks back. Same with Bernard on the other side. Lookman rarely did that.

As for the talk of Haller - I read somewhere that he's "the rich mans Carlton Cole".

Paul Le Marinel
125 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:28:21
It's a shame that he is leaving Everton. There must have been a reason of why he never got more time on the pitch, as he is a young player who has good potential.

Still, he did well when he was last at Red Bull Leipzig and hopefully he can continue the form that he had when he was on loan there. I wish him all the best.

If £22.5 million is what we get for him, then that's good business for us and hopefully that will be used towards signing a quality striker.

David Midgley
126 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:31:05
He always appeared to me to as an outsider, for some reason not part of it. Not settled. He had five games to show his ability and didn't take the opportunity.

Perhaps he prefers lederhosen.

Rob Marsh
127 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:39:02
Jim Bennings #93

Hello Jim,

You've got some fond memories of Anichebe there, I believe though that you might be looking back through rose tinted glasses.

He was with us for 9 seasons and averaged 2 goals per season in the Premier League, but it has to be conceded Lookman's record is even worse.

Jim Bennings
128 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:53:57
Rob

I'm not really one for stats although I recall Anichebe playing quite a big part in then UEFA Cup run in 2007-08 when he scored at Kharkiv, Nurnberg, Brann and Larissa I think.

He also weighed in with about 7/8 goals in Moyesies last season, couple of winners at West Brom and Newcastle.

Lookman comes on as a sub and to be honest, again, he's just Danny Cadamarteri without the goals (and old Danny boy was hardly prolific).

I don't know if fans want to believe that just because players are a certain age now they must eventually turn out world class, but in most of the young lads we've sold on, they just haven't been much at all.

Barkley has regressed, Rodwell, Vaughan, Jeffers etc etc.

There's only Rooney that's really made a monumental career for himself.

Franny Porter
129 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:01:35
I also (as someone else stated earlier) can see both sides of this.

The only difference that I have to earlier posters is that I couldn't give a shiny shit what or how he does in Germany.

I don't know on what day of the week RB Leipzig (who nobody knew until recently) have become a bigger draw than Everton. Premier League stalwarts. Richest league in the world. If a player thinks they are, then fair play, get yourself over there and we will find a replacement.

With respect to the fee, only time will tell I think, just like it did when we sold Lescott, Rodwell and Lukaku for astronomical over the top fees.

One thing somebody else pointed out on Twitter today, if this is lad is so good, a young English talent that does usually come at a premium, why have no other suitors come to light? It is because they know his attitude stinks? Just a thought.

Tommy Carter
130 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:07:15
@115

Sam, Haller is a very good forward. Much of an all rounder. I'd rank his style and ability similar to Salomon Rondon. I think he'll be around the 8-12 goal a season mark. I don't rate him any more highly than Rondon.

I don't think we have missed out on too much here. He wouldn't give us much more than what Calvert-Lewin is capable of giving us.

On that basis I think Brands and Silva are aiming at a level above that. Another 15-20 goal a season ‘forward' not necessarily a striker.

I'm comfortable with this. As £45m is still a lot of money.

To the other post who thinks Lookman will be an England international soon. My opinion only; he will never play a full international for England

Brian Williams
131 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:08:54
Neil Wood. I'll take that bet, though you shouldn't have drunk the bottle first before making your post. 🤣🤣🤣
Tony J Williams
132 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:12:21
Another player to some that seemed to get better the less he played.

Sad it never worked out, but he just didn't fit into our team so best cash out now while we can.

If he goes on to be a superstar, so what? He ain't doing it here...

Neil Wood
133 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:18:49
Derek @119 and Brian @ 131 — you're on.

Three full seasons football and the subsequent transfer window for the 4th season.

I will have a Malbec please! ;-)

Brian Harrison
134 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:21:28
I think the lad has talent but I think his mind was made up to leave long before Silva took over. I know when he came Silva said that Lookman was the present and the future, but later commented that he had to show the desire at every training session. Which seemed to imply he wasn't putting a shift in every day on the training ground.
Jim Bennings
135 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:27:42
There were two games for me last season where I watched Lookman and probably knew then that he wouldn’t be here next season.

Millwall away in the Cup and Southampton away in January.

Two games which were tailor made for him to showcase this so-called talent and try and take the game by the scruff of the neck but he just didn’t do anything in either and his application was equally disappointing.

That was probably it for Silva too I’m guessing.

Raymond Fox
136 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:39:56
Always gave the impression that he wanted to be in Germany and not Goodison. A pity because there is a good player in there if he gave 100%.
In the circumstances I think £22.5m is a reasonable price for him, it became obvious that Silva didn't see him as starter for us, so c'est la vie.
Aidan Wade
137 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:54:03
Put it this way - Based on the evidence to date, I'd say there's a less than 50% chance that he'll double in value over the next couple of years – hence, a sound decision.

Since we probably need to keep the ledger balance this year after two seasons of splurging, it only makes more sense.

Best of luck to him anyway.

Andrew Keatley
138 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:56:10
I expect Lookman to thrive in Germany. They obviously appreciate him there, and he seems to be a player that needs a gentle arm on his shoulder. I suspect that he will get full international caps, and that he will return to the Premier League in a few years.
Steve Brown
139 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:59:26
Lookman didn't get a fair chance to prove his talent. He never got a run of 4-5 games in the team; rather he played as substitute in a mainly struggling side and was discarded if he didn't light up a game. More experienced and better-paid players like Walcott were then repeatedly picked only to go and stink out every game they played in.

As for attitude? Mirallas and Schneiderlin are still playing despite their complete lack of professionalism in the past. We read a lot into Lookman's ‘sulky' facial expression and body language, then condemn him for his attitude despite no evidence that he has ever said or done anything incorrect in his time with us. Meanwhile, senior pros who have treated this club and fans with complete disrespect still get picked. No wonder he is keen to join Leipzig.

Retaining Walcott and selling Lookman confirms this club is still some way off from having a coherent footballing strategy.

Rob Marsh
140 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:13:40
Jim @ 135

Totally agree, especially that Millwall game with the weather conditions. A tricky little fresh player straight of the bench like him should have should have ran riot against a pub team and won free kicks etc, instead he just got rid of the ball.

The Premier League is the toughest league in the world, especially the physical side, just look at the way Sandro and Klaassen shied away.

He's gone to the Bundesliga which to me except for Bayern and a few others looks to be about the same standard as our Championship without the physical side.

This is a smart move by Lookman.

Kieran Kinsella
141 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:15:32
Trying to keep track here but by my reckoning we have moved on (just counting 1st team and people old enough to be even if they never play):

Jagielka
Williams
Robinson
Vlasic
Charsley
Lavery
Lookman (shortly)
Galloway

Plus on loan:

Virginia
Garbutt*
Tarashaj*
Kenny
Dowell
Sandro
* never to return

So that is 14 out with 3 in. Net reduction of 10 from the 38. But we still have to shift Martina, Pennington, Bolasie, Mirallas, Niasse, Tosun, Besic, Onyekuru and McCarthy. Nine more. But that still leaves us with well over 20 plus the Under-23s. Obviously if all the above go we'd need at least two forwards and a winger, plus a centre-back.

Rob Marsh
142 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:30:43
Kieran # 141

I personally wouldn't put Kenny in that list, I think club also are giving him time.

Sam Hoare
143 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:32:01
Tommy @130, I think Rondon is a good comparison though I think Haller is (or could be slightly better as he gets more goals). If you offered me a 25-year-old Rondon now, I'd probably bite your hand off. Someone that hard working who offers a slightly more polished all round game to Calvert-Lewin and is a more natural finisher.

£45m is a lot of money but if Haller scores gets around 10-15 goals a season and another 5 assists (and I think he will) it will be money well spent.

If we can find a 15-20 goal striker who offers the same work rate and front line defending as Calvert-Lewin then I will be more than happy. Perhaps Silva thinks thats what Leao or Kean are (or could be) but both are pretty raw. Time will tell but I think Haller would have been a strong addition to our squad.

Tony Abrahams
144 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:33:10
Shows you the job that Brands and Silva, came into Kieran, and I reckon they will shift quite a few more off that list before August 8th?
Charles McCann
145 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:35:24
Excellent post, Steve @139. Agree 100% with what you've said. Will be such a shame if we lose him. The lad may have been unhappy but that's understandable as he sat on the bench most weeks. Poor management in my opinion.
Kieran Kinsella
146 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:40:00
Tony

Agreed. I forgot they also shifted Browning in January. There was an interesting article yesterday about Everton being one of the teams using what amounts to a dating app for transfers. Cuts out agents and middle men and hooks up clubs seeking certain skill sets with clubs looking to sell or loan players. They have an event tied to the app hosted at Chelsea today with Everton listed as one of the clubs participating. From what I read, seems Everton are utilizing more to offload than to buy but it shows some more forward thinking at the club and embracing technology which is good.

Kieran Kinsella
147 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:43:40
Steve @139 & Charles @145,

I disagree around poor management. I think it's more about finances. We have a huge wage bill and an 8th placed team. In order to improve we have to spend money to get better players all of which adds to the wage bill. They are making pragmatic decisions to sell the likes of Robinson and Lookman who otherwise may see their contracts expire before they ever establish themselves. If money was no object I'd wager we would have kept these players but it's a matter of the here and now taking precedence over one possible future outcome.

Tommy Carter
148 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:57:55
Sam @143,

I don't think that Silva wants to rely on his central striker for goals. I think he wants his central striker to do a lot more than what meets the eye and I think he's happy that Calvert-Lewin can do the job he wants for the team.

I'm not so sure I'd bite anybody's hand off for a 25-year-old Salomon Rondon nor Haller as he is now. My point being, they are both very good strikers. But are they Champions League quality? I'm not so sure.

I know we only have Calvert-Lewin now but I think Silva and Brands want to identify and sign a Champions League quality forward player. So, if we sign Haller, it leaves £45M less in the coffers to go out and get that player.

If he is the best that Silva and Brands realistically thought we could get, I expect a bid may have gone in.

On another note, West Ham have done very good business by bringing in Pablo Fornals. I'm more sorry we missed the boat with this player who I think will raise many an eyebrow in the 2019-20 season.

Sam Hoare
149 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:04:47
Tommy @148,

I agree Silva wants his strikers to do more and that's why I'm surprised we were not in for Haller who, as well as a very healthy goal return, has 12 assists in 30-odd starts. He's a very hard-working player who gives a lot to his team-mates. I think he might be as close to Champions League ready striker material as we are likely to get. Sounds like we are going more down the 'potential' route which I am not averse to. I'll be much happier if we get Kean or Leao!

Yes, I like Fornals a lot. I think he may take a while to adapt but looks a really good player, I think he may prove a better player than Gomes in the long run. West Ham have done some excellent business in the last few years with the likes of Anderson, Diop, Fornals and Haller. I expect them to challenge us a lot more next season.

Sam Hoare
150 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:12:11
In other news, I wonder if Trippier's move to Atletico Madrid will see Colombian Sanitago Arias come from them to us? He used to play at PSV under Brands's regime and is a good, energetic right-back who will presumably need a new club now.

Brands seems to like targeting fringe players at big clubs as representing good value. If he could get Arias for £8-£12M, then think he could be a bargain option to push Coleman.

Phil Martin
151 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:20:44
James Rodrigues for £40M. He's 27 but would be the most talented player in our squad by a country mile. Also mates with Mina. Marcel make it happen.
Kieran Kinsella
152 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:22:25
Phil,

Nah, Mina has already tapped up his other mate Cuadrado, according to the Echo.

Phil Martin
153 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:24:51
Kieran, that's the Echo not wanting us to be linked with great players.
Tommy Carter
154 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:30:43
Sam @149

Indeed.

Add Yarmolenko to that list who, as we well know, is an incredibly talented player and now back fit after a long lay-off.

For me, Felipe is the best player in the league outside of the Top 4.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
155 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:46:39
Marco: "Thanks, Marcel. Good job you did there with Lookman. Now, what are you going to do with what a lot of supporters are calling 'Deadwood'? Jim White has been on to Mr Moshiri and said he was reading ToffeeWeb and this phrase keeps cropping up..."

Marcel: "The Deadwood? Who are the Deadwood?"

Marco: "Well, Mr Moshiri said that Jim said they were the likes of Cenk, Belgian Kev, Jimmy Mc, Morgan, Yannick, Oumar and Mo Besic."

Marcel: "I love the fact our supporters are never satisfied. It is as though they think I have ignored trying to shift these guys. Do they not realise that you also need a buyer for each one of these? How many of our supporters would change jobs to take a pay cut so they are not going to want to just go when it is so cushy here?"

Marco: "Exactly!"

Marcel: "We might just have to bite the bullet on most of these. Three will be out of contract next summer, three the summer after... so I think if we can get them off the books as loans covering some of the wages, it may the best we can do. After all, if you were still at Watford, how many of them would you want me to try and buy?"

Marco: "Good question. One perhaps, but no idea which one... I'm joking. So who are we going to buy with all the money we now have?"
Marcel: "Ah, now that is an interesting question. I have been talking to... Actually can we do this elsewhere? I do have suspicions we may be being overlooked or overheard."

Kieran Kinsella
156 Posted 17/07/2019 at 15:51:15
Phil

Wasn't Lovejoy in "Deadwood"? Surely we could recruit him with his antique wheeling-dealing skills to offload some of these?

Mike Gaynes
157 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:02:05
Phil #153, if you think James Rodriguez would ever devote one brain cell's worth of thought to coming to Everton, you are absolutely fantasizing.

There is zero chance of that happening. The guy has his pick of Champions League clubs, anywhere in Europe he wants to go.

Brian Williams
158 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:03:21
Hey, Mr Gaynes. You had your choice of any club in the world to support. ;-)
Mike Gaynes
159 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:04:34
Yes, Mr. Williams, but my brain cells are not very functional.
Brian Williams
160 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:10:56
Good point Mike 😅😅😅
Russell Smith
161 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:28:59
Silva wants to play a certain system which requires his wide players to both attack and defend. When Bernard and Richarlison had got up to speed in the final third of the season with what was required the team went from strength to strength. This "style" was being coached in training throughout the season but only really started working when the aforementioned players took up the wide positions with Calvert-Lewin through the middle. From what Silva said about Lookman, he wasn't willing or capable of doing this, day-in & day-out, during training.

Based on the evidence of the final 10 games, who would be dropped to make way for Lookman? Would it have upset the balance of the team? Both Silva and Brands appear to have a long term strategy which means buying players who will fit the system, or younger players who they believe they can mould to the system.

I suspect buying Delph means that Gueye will almost certainly leave. Will Delph be as effective, who knows, but we should remember that Gueye was bought by Villa to replace Delph when he went to Man City so whilst not identical they can play very similar roles. This again appears to follow the strategy of buying players who fit the system.

I am sure Brands would like to get rid of more of the deadwood but as has been said repeatedly getting rid of players who are on long lucrative contracts is very difficult. Selling "fringe" players like Robinson and Lookman whilst appearing to be going against the strategy of having younger hungrier players, is probably more driven by the fact that we cannot offload all the deadwood as we would wish and the need to generate funds to continue building a better team.

Other than possibly Gueye (which I hope we don't do) we are not selling any "dead cert" first-team players and the players Brands is bringing in are better than those they are replacing. Brands will not get everything right but so far he has made many more right decisions than wrong ones so I think we should trust his judgement on Lookman and see if the monies generated by his sale provide us with another quality "dead cert" first-team player.

Karl Masters
162 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:33:03
Didn’t Doris Day sing a song about Deadwood?

Tommy Carter
163 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:37:59
@ Mike 157

Money talks. It is Brands’ job to make these deals happen. Nothing more, nothing less

Robinho didn’t even know he was signing for Man City when he went there. But they got the deal done. As did Middlesbrough with Ravanelli, a champions league winning international striker in the very peak of his career no less.

I hope Marcel Brands doesn’t rule anybody out. We got Yerry Mina last year when Mourinho was trying to convince the Manchester United Board to bring him in.

Whilst others don’t make their move, it is upto EFC to bring these players in.

Ed Prytherch
164 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:50:01
When Sam wanted Lookman to go to Derby on loan and Lookman dug in his heels and insisted on going to Leipzig, I thought that kid either has a big pair to stand up to Sam or he is very hard-headed. I am pretty sure now that it was the latter. Maybe he does not like living in the North of England.
Tim Welsh
165 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:51:27
Apart from his goal and a very good performance in a Europa League dead rubber, he always held back. Why? So he could play for those footballing titans Leipzig? I don't think so.

Lookman's tenure at Goodison has always struck me as suspicious. Why would anyone of his background be so insistent on a (loan) move to Leipzig? It wouldn't surprise me if Leipzig is just an intended stepping stone...

Now, who in the Premier League have had dealings with Leipzig? Give him a year or so and expect to see him playing in an all red strip... and I don't mean Bayern Munich.

Ed Prytherch
166 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:52:32
Karl, if I could post pictures I would show my Deadwood City tee shirt.
Tommy Carter
167 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:06:33
@165 Tim

He's not good enough to play for them. This is the post of a fantasist.

German clubs have capitalised on the fact that talented young English players are not getting enough chances at Premier League level. The stakes, financially are too high now with TV revenue that most clubs in this country feel that experience is what is needed. If experienced players come in and fail then a scouting network or director of football can be blamed.

If a manager has the guts to pick players from the youth team then it is his decision and his alone. If he fails, he is getting the bullet and possibly ruining his reputation for future jobs.

How many players have the likes of Pulis or Allardyce ever brought through the ranks? Very few. But the phone always rings when a job is available.

In Germany, the attitude is very different. Particularly in the last 15 years following their exit from Euro 2004 when a seismic shift occurred in developing young players.

All they are doing now is identifying talent in England that is not being used. So if Lookman is a better option than the German equivalent that is available then they simply dangle the carrot of first team football and exposure to the large powerhouse German clubs and bring in the better player.

Is very simple, nothing complicated to it. No cloak and dagger, just simple basic sense.

I'm not too fussed about Lookman because I think he has been given enough chances to show what he is about and frankly I'm not that impressed. He was never given a multitude of starting eleven opportunities but I never did see anything in his substitute appearances nor rare starts that made me feel he warranted an extended run in the first Team just so we could see if he had it or not.

Alan J Thompson
168 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:06:40
Karl (#162); Also one about Whipcrack away but we don't have any deadwood called Whipcrack.
Dave Williams
169 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:14:01
# -117 should read Beagrie not Beattie!
Dave Abrahams
170 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:25:12
Russell (161), good post with lots of good points, in fact with Silva playing this pressing game you might see Broadhead getting a few games from the bench this season. A lad who wants to be here, no frills or fuss, does a very competent job and steals a few goals in the bargain. That's if he isn't sent out on loan.
Brian Wilkinson
171 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:56:51
I have put up comments about Silva's assessment on Lookman, I have also had debates about three different managers not playing Lookman regular. It is fair to say some have mentioned Lookman not having a regular run out; each of the above have fair assumptions.

For my final thoughts, he gave the impression once he went to Germany, he already made his mind up, even had he played more games, I doubt he would have signed a new contract, his body language to me is he manufactured his move and has finally got what he wanted, to play in Germany.

If you look at our other youngsters, Stones, Barkley etc, the top clubs in the premiership were onto them.

Interesting only Leipzig enquired about him.

And finally in 3 seasons at Everton, he only appeared for the under 23s on 3 occasions, 1 appearance each season.

Even Davies, an established first teamer is well over double figures over the last few seasons.

Unsworth does a terrific job for the youngsters, does it not tell you anything that in 3 seasons, he has only turned out for Unsworth team on three occasions.

Like I say we never get to see what goes on in training, if 4 managers are reluctant to give him regular game time then something is not right.

Josh Barber
172 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:01:42
Surely if we let Lookman go it means Everton will bring in a quality striker and winger this window. :( So sad to see him go.
Dermot Byrne
173 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:09:33
I have a sense that two big and biggish departures (we know who) may free us up for some Brands wizardry!
Steve Ferns
175 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:22:36
It seems we're conflicted over this, and I'm even conflicted with myself over Lookman.

Perhaps, Brands is being ruthless. If Everton are on a trajectory to win the league, is he good enough, or should I say, will he be good enough? I don't think so. He's had moments, but never more than that.

So being ruthless, maybe Brands is looking at him, and seeing players like Neres who are only a year older and so much better and thinking he should cash in and sign better.

If we get £23m for him and sign Neres or Malcolm, then i'll be made up. Ademola who?

However, if we sign no one of note, and Lookman rips it up in Germany, then Brands will be under pressure.

Jason Broome
176 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:23:53
Jer Kienan @120

At Everton we love a trier and Lookman simply didn't do enough.

Both Silva and Brands wanted to build the future of our club around this boy a year ago. They refused to sell him as they believed in him and were willing to invest in his future. He had the backing of everyone, and the world at his feet so what went wrong?

After seeing him play and train almost every day (away from the communities eyes) for 10 months Silva changed his flipping mind and leaked to the world that he only gave 50%.

Not conjecture... Fact based on the opinions of the manager, coaching staff and very possibly his fellow team mates. Further, he no longer makes the grade as to what Marcel requires at the club. They have given up on him for reasons that you haven't grasped yet.

A player of his natural ability should have forced his way into a very poor Everton team. Like R Kelly, Silva was fighting for his life but still didn't trust the kid to come good. When he did come on... what did he actually do?

I'm still waiting for you to remind me of that epic moment that a fully fit, injury free, professional footballing wonder kid took the game and his chance by the scruff of the neck and led us to victory. Like your argument... it doesn't exist.


On a lesser note read my previous posts. I don't want Walcott to stay any more than you do. Stop using him as leverage to your argument. It's pointless.

I want our Lookman replacement to be a mean, pacy, skillfull, hungry Son Of a Bitch. Hopefully with part of the Lookman money we will find him.

I wish you and the lad well. Enjoy your evening.

Brian Wilkinson
178 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:51:31
Steve Bull at Wolves was another top striker who stayed loyal to his club.
Rob Marsh
179 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:55:49
While we're on the subject of German football clubs and one of our players going over there, I'll go off subject for a moment (apologies).

The following link is an indication of German football culture and how well supported their clubs are, can you image this happening over here?

https://schalke04.de/en/inside-en/fc-schalke-04s-2019-agm-round/

Steve Ferns
180 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:59:35
That's not a fair comparison at all Rob. The people there are members, they have a right to be there and they can force the club to do things with their votes. Everton exclude the fans. Otherwise, I'd be there for one. And then we don't have any power.

It's a very unfair comparison.

Rob Marsh
181 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:07:23
Steve # 180

I've never been to an AGM, but I seem to recall anyone could go until recently, that is until Billy from the Boys Pen decided they were a bit too boisterous and in his wisdom banned everyone (who might disagree with him)?

I might be wrong here, please correct me if I am, but we never achieved the attendances of the Schalke AGM.

Phil Greenough
182 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:11:35
I can understand all the opinions about Lookman having potential. What I can't understand is why members want to keep him at Goodison. The player doesn't want to be here, why would you want him to stay? I'd rather have a player who is proud to pull on the shirt.
Christy Ring
183 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:13:44
I think there's more going on behind the scenes with Lookman. Silva talked him up last season, gave him a few chances, left him out of the panel as well, and his attitude was mentioned, so a good deal if the money is spent on his replacement.

Mark Pringle
185 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:20:39
As much as I hoped Lookman would do well, I'm sick of hearing about potential. If we are going to win silverware and compete for honours again we need players that can produce now, proven winners.

Players with potential is a 'nice to have' as a succession plan when you are achieving and winning things, like Foden at Man City for example. We may have one or two with Calvert-Lewin and Davies who are prepared to be patient and learn and might come good longer term hopefully, but to get £22m plus for a 'maybe' player, I'd take the money every day of the week and go and buy quality.

Fair play to the lad for not wanting to be patient and wanting to play but I don't buy the 'he never got a chance' stuff, part of becoming a top player is earning the right to play and clearly the lad hasn't done that.

And Neil I'll take your bet also about him being worth £100m in 3 years ;-)

Dave Abrahams
186 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:24:13
Steve and Rob, you basically have to be an Everton shareholder to go to the AGM, a shareholder can give his place to a friend who go as a Proxy, I've been on a friends ticket, three times and they are mostly placid and boring events, at least to me, just the way Kenwright wants them.

Before he banned ordinary supporters, ie, non-shareholders, Kenwright, as owner and Chairman, was asked a lot of awkward questions, ones that needed an honest answer. This didn't sit well with the chairman, so he banned non shareholders.

I doubt I will be going to anymore, although I do have the option through a Red fan, who is an Everton shareholder.

Steve Ferns
187 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:38:44
That's what I believed, Dave. Also, the Everton shareholders have no power when compared with the Schalke members. Correct me if I'm wrong but they add up to 49.99% of the votes. This means they can steer the club in the direction they want to go and their President needs their support. So their meetings are hardly anything like ours. If we had the same power, then we'd be filling the place out too.

Tim Welsh
188 Posted 17/07/2019 at 20:00:07
Hello Tommy @ 167. Thanks for responding to my post.

By all means call me a fantasist, but at least wait until the dust has settled on his career. I take your point about German clubs, which is very well reasoned, but in this case, my instincts just tell me otherwise.

The reason why you say he isn't good enough for the filth is based on his lacklustre performances for us, and on that premise, I'll remind you of Abel Xavier – you must remember his treacherous performance in a blue shirt against the RS shortly before he joined them.

Agreed, my conspiracy theory is somewhat more convoluted in this case, but I would draw your attention to the list of clubs that he was linked to: Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, Southampton and Leipzig – all of them have strong transfer connections to the RS.

I hope I am a delusional fantasist, but something still tells me that we are being duped... and let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time... I do hope you're right.

Andy Crooks
191 Posted 17/07/2019 at 21:03:57
Steve @187, it is very un-Ferns-like to base a post on pure conjecture. You " don't believe him"? Come on, Steve, you know that post is unfair.
Tommy Carter
197 Posted 17/07/2019 at 21:32:18
@ Andy. I’d love to, but I fear I’d end the evening being rolled out of some dining table covers from Otterspool prom into the Mersey.

I love Everton Football Club and I try to be passionate and reasoned in my postings.

Tim @ 188 is another who seems to have taken great offence at my doubts over the multi-faceted transfer scenario he speculates about. Just my opinion.

I appreciate the supporting point about Abel Xavier. However, rather than provide any clarity about the workings of such a transfer, it only makes it all the more arbitrary.

Abel Xavier was brought into our club when we were in a state of financial dire straits. The 99/00 season when he joined, I’d say he quickly became one of my favourite players. He had an excellent Euro 2000 championship in a wonderfully talented Portugal Team. He was versatile, being competent at CB and RB. He also did a job in midfield on occasion.

He was more than good enough to play for the RS. In my opinion, of course

Si Smith
198 Posted 17/07/2019 at 23:23:45
Another one down, still a lot left to go.

We still need 10 or more to go, but there moving on at a decent pace.

Gana will be next though, which is a shame, but Silva is starting to get the squad down to what he wants.

Amit Vithlani
200 Posted 18/07/2019 at 01:58:28
It only take a split second for bums to be lifted off seats and Le Tissier, Gazza, Ginola were capable of that throughout their career. Even the zany Di Canio was a special talent.

If you are a Southampton fan, I bet when you look back over highlight reels of the club there are fewer featuring Jim Magilton and many more featuring Le Tissier.

I let the coaches and managers worry about work-rate, team balance and whether "players put a shift in".

Lookman produced flashes of brilliant skill often coming on as sub and did make game changing contributions in a period (I seem to recall a cross for DCL to nod in that give us an important win at home against Palace last season; also his part in the equaliser in the FA Cup at Anfield under Fat Sam as 2 examples off the top of my head).

Sadly his impact faded as last season went on; we saw less and less of his flashes of brilliance. Pity.

However, personally I prefer to see more not less of these types of players and I shall be very sorry to see him go. I wish we could have nurtured him.

Phil Lewis
203 Posted 18/07/2019 at 11:00:12
From what I have seen of him, Lookman is a hugely talented young footballer. He possesses undoubted natural ability and an abundance of skills. He is exciting to watch with the ball at his feet and has the ability in tight spaces to create something out of nothing in an instant.

He is not a work horse. We have plenty of those.

It has taken quite a while for Raheem Sterling to develop into an Internationally acclaimed striker. I honestly believe that given time, opportunity and the right level of coaching, Lookman will eventually achieve similar status. It is folly for us to consider his sale.

Frank Boyle
224 Posted 18/07/2019 at 21:17:44
Good God, hasn't he gone yet?... 😁
Dave Abrahams
225 Posted 18/07/2019 at 21:45:24
Amit (200), Gaza and Ginola were great players and as good as you say, unfortunately that didn't apply to their time spent at Goodison.

Gaza was great in one game, alas it was against Exeter City in the FA Cup, saw Ginola put a great centre in that produced nothing, that's all I remember from their time here.

David Chait
226 Posted 19/07/2019 at 09:35:25
All is forgiven for letting Lookman go if we get Reinier! Make it happen Marcel!
Andrew Ellams
227 Posted 19/07/2019 at 09:46:49
David, where are you hearing the Reinier rumours?
Brian Williams
228 Posted 19/07/2019 at 10:09:34
https://www.grandoldteam.com/2019/07/19/everton-linked-with-reinier-jesus/

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/19/reinier-jesus-carvalho-starts-following-everton-on-instagram/

Andrew Ellams
229 Posted 19/07/2019 at 10:22:02
So what I'm reading there Brian is the lad is 17 so can't join us until January when he turns 18 and we are looking at spending €40million on a player who has never played a first team game. Bit of a gamble considering the number of posts stating that the same amount is a lot to pay for Moise Kean who has already played in Serie A, the Champions League and is a full international.
Geoff Lambert
230 Posted 19/07/2019 at 10:36:29
And that Andrew is why you do what you do and and Marcell does what he does.
Brian Williams
231 Posted 19/07/2019 at 10:38:56
Andrew, that's right mate but I'd take this rumour, as I do every other rumour, with a sack full (never mind a pinch) of salt.
Can't get worked up like some on here, as the club have no control whatsoever over the rumours and some will latch onto anything in order to be enraged or ecstatic depending on who the player is.
Andrew Ellams
232 Posted 19/07/2019 at 10:53:07
Geoff, so what precedent does he have for signing 17 year olds who have never played a senior game of football and paying €40million for the pleasure?
Chris Gould
233 Posted 19/07/2019 at 11:32:51
Brian, Reinier has just started following Everton FC, Richarlison, Bernard, and Mina on Instagram.
Adds fuel to the fire.
Gary Hughes
234 Posted 19/07/2019 at 11:44:51
Andrew anyone under 18 can move to a European club but his parents have to come with him. Don’t get too excited though as we seem to be the only club that struggles to get visas for up and coming players.
John Pickles
235 Posted 19/07/2019 at 11:45:12
He probably thinks he is following Everton Soares.
Ian Horan
236 Posted 19/07/2019 at 11:45:32
Lookman in.my opinion falls into the same catogry as Rodwell, Cadamatri, Branch, Jeffets etc all great potential but sadly never lived up to their potential. Cash in with a large % of any future transfer fee. Offer Lookman and £45 mill for Saha.
John Pickles
237 Posted 19/07/2019 at 11:59:44
He was past his best the first time we got him Ian, at 40 I think there are better options mate.
Tommy Carter
238 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:07:12
@237 John. I agree. I fear he’s past his best. Typical Evertonian letting sentiment get in the way, just because he scored in an FA cup final 10 years ago all of a sudden he’s the answer. Let’s look forwards hey?
Jimmy Hogan
239 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:27:09
Jesus, hasn't he gone yet?
Si Cooper
240 Posted 21/07/2019 at 01:18:28
This was supposed to be done by the end of the week wasn’t it? No updates? Perhaps a change of heart or are the hierarchy trying to line-up an incoming to off-set this outgoing?
Andrew Keatley
241 Posted 21/07/2019 at 16:27:30
The fact that Leipzig just signed Nkunku from PSG for €15 million might have scuppered the Lookman interest. Not necessarily, but they are fairly similar players with quite similar profiles.
Brian Williams
242 Posted 21/07/2019 at 19:48:09
Mola's almost gone, I see. £18m plus £4.5m in add-ons.
Mike Gaynes
243 Posted 22/07/2019 at 21:38:12
Ah, well. Good luck, kid.
Andy Crooks
244 Posted 22/07/2019 at 21:57:56
Rising to "as much as £22.5 million". We are being fucking robbed. Buy at ridiculous prices and sell for shit. Leipzig really wanted him, they really wanted him. So we sell him for a few quid more than we paid for Niasse. Just when I lecture Paul Burns on how we are moving forward you get this utter fuckwittery.

What would Levy have got for him? More than this. My night is ruined. Honest to God, I fucking despair.

Andrew Ellams
245 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:02:36
Bit tough to ask big money for a player you don't value as more than a late impact sub.
Mark Tanton
246 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:08:32
Andy they really want him yes, but what weakens our hand is the common knowledge we have a large squad full of dross and have to offload players to rebalance. If he’s not going to feature then he needs to go.
Denver Daniels
247 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:17:52
Should have asked them for Timo Werner in exchange for Lookman plus some cash. He's in the final year of his contract and stalling on signing a new deal.
Derek Knox
248 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:36:21
Andy, I would hardly say we've been robbed, we've more than doubled our initial outlay, as I said earlier we all wanted Lookman to do well. There was something not quite right, in the chances he was given, he didn't display the right attitude, or set the world alight either.

While I agree he perhaps should have had more game time, we do not know what was going on at Finch Farm, maybe Silva saw something, that he would only play him as a last resort. At the end of the day Andy, if a player's heart isn't with the team, it's time to move on.

Market forces dictate a player's worth (generally) and with him not playing as regular for us there would have been a limit, and Leipzig knew what he could do for them, so basically wish the lad all the very best.

Justin Doone
249 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:46:43
Hope he stays, hope he plays, hope he helps Everton win some silverware.

Loan him out for the season but do not sell!

He's a cross between Richarlison and Bernard. Still needs to improve the team mentality but he's talented and exciting to watch.

Just like with Vlassic we seem to be selling the diamonds cheaply before there polished.

Instead we give game time to Schnides, to Mirrallis, to Niasse who have no future, no potential and who can not be polished any further.

If the owner is going to bank roll us for 10 years and we don't need the money and can afford to buy who we want I'd still be disappointed but could understand it.

In fact why don't we throw £80M to Chelsea for Zouma and just get business done.

Jay Harris
250 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:49:49
He was finished with us the day Leipzig started to give him a game and his mind was made up he was happy there.

He has got talent but obviously his ego is ahead of his ability.

We can put £20m to better use than an impact sub who didn't make an impact.

David Pearl
251 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:55:55
Well In time we might hear of a buy-back or sell-on clause. Based on his performances so far he's not set the world alight. Seems a fair amount to me because he might not progress, who knows. Loads of potential though.

And also who knows who we are going to sign in the next couple of weeks? I haven't a clue. We need goals to be successful. It looks like all teams are sending out feelers and will finally make moves with a day or two to go. I've lost count of the forwards we are supposed to be after. Then there's the 5, 6, 7 players we need to get off the wage bill... and the impact it will have on who we can afford.

It will also be interesting what happens to Bale. £550 grand a week. Not bad is it.

Sam Hoare
252 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:58:26
Andy@244, I think it’s a bit like Gomes coming to us. He obviously wants to go to Leipzig and isn’t going to offer us much if he stays so it weakens our position. Plus it doesn’t seem anyone else is bidding for him. Doubling our money on someone who’s barely played for us isn’t so bad. I think the absolute most we might have got for him is £27-30m.
Marcus Taylor
253 Posted 22/07/2019 at 23:03:54
Speaking of 'sell-on clauses', Charlton Athletic are due a cut of the transfer fee. Can't find any specific details other than they are due 'a percentage of any fee Everton receive'.

"Charlton stand to profit from highly-rated young forward Ademola Lookman's next move after agreeing a clause guaranteeing them a percentage of any fee Everton receive for the 19-year-old."

Charlton could profit from Ademola Lookman £10m Everton move again after agreeing sell on clause

Steve Ferns
254 Posted 22/07/2019 at 23:10:27
Imagine if Brands did persuade Leipzig to include a buy back clause. Imagine it was for a minuscule amount.

In the future:

Manager of Leipzig: Ademola, Everton have triggered your buy back Clause, Marcel Brands is here to discuss terms for you to return to Everton.

Ademola Lookman: tell them to eff off!

So what good is a buy back clause? And why does everyone mention it on every sale like we’re Barcelona or Real Madrid?

James Stewart
255 Posted 22/07/2019 at 23:18:19
Crikey, £16M up front! I've no problem with us selling him but RB Leipzig are really pulling our pants down getting him for that. Tyrone Mings went for £27M.
David Pearl
256 Posted 22/07/2019 at 23:26:33
Steve, because we can. It’s Brands job to get us the best deal he can. With the insane amounts players are going for these days its likely to become more regular as teams protect themselves.
Jerome Shields
257 Posted 22/07/2019 at 23:38:24
Lookman is gone. No buy clause. Maybe a percentage of any future transfer fee.

Good luck to him, maybe he will work harder on his all round game.

Chris Mason
258 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:35:27
People on here are so negative. He’s not and will never be the next Messi. He’s an elite player in a super elite profession.

Good luck to him, but no tears shed here. It’s good business all things considered.

Bill Watson
259 Posted 23/07/2019 at 01:34:44
Andy # 244

We have more than doubled our money on a player who didn't want to be here and contributed zilch when he had the, albeit limited, chances.

All round a good deal for a player who will never, in a month of Sundays, be a top Premier League player.

Steve Ferns
260 Posted 23/07/2019 at 02:32:53
David, it does absolutely nothing. You can’t force Lookman to come back. It’s a complete waste of time. Just because the biggest club in the world did it to us with a boyhood fan, doesn’t mean we can do it to anyone else, especially not in this situation.
Mike Gaynes
261 Posted 23/07/2019 at 02:38:52
Denver #247, sorry to be negative but you're dreaming. There is absolutely no way in hell Werner would ever want to come here.

He's stalling on his contract because he wants to go to Bayern.

Tony Rice
262 Posted 23/07/2019 at 05:37:30
Seriously, how long does this transfer take?! Obviously he's going and we're not signing anyone until he (and others) are gone. Just get shut and move on!!!!
Anthony Hawkins
263 Posted 23/07/2019 at 07:01:31
@David #1 thought the only two strikers on our books were Niasse and DCL? The others are forwards/wingers which aren’t the same.
Keith Gleave
264 Posted 23/07/2019 at 07:59:41
£16m with no guarantee the add ons will ever be hit. It may be a 100% profit on a player who has shown glimpses of the skill we bought him for, but we should have held out for the full amount.
We don't need a buy back clause because it will never happen from the clubs or players position. We should however be placing a sell on clause for a percentage of any sell on fee.
Now go out and get the players in we require, they need to bed in. I can see the same excuses again that the players had no opportunity to bed in as they came in late when we wanted them early.
Geoff Lambert
265 Posted 23/07/2019 at 08:26:59
Snatch their hands off, Never going to make it in the Prem. Deadwood moving on nicely.
Carl Taylor
266 Posted 23/07/2019 at 08:30:12
Getting sick of the woe is me brigade about Lookman. The people who watch him in training everyday, so see him in action everyday, have made a decision about him. Not Mick the Cabbie who said Silva never gave him a chance.

We have to back the people making these decisions to get it right. If we are here on August 9th and we haven't added a Centre Back, Striker and a wide man, then we can ask questions, but until then can we try and be positive because are negativity just provides are neighbours with more to beat us with.

Ian Bennett
267 Posted 23/07/2019 at 08:37:48
£16m initial is undervalued in this market I have to say.
Ryan Holroyd
268 Posted 23/07/2019 at 11:05:25
Keith you don't know the adds on are so how do you know they won't be met?
James Stewart
269 Posted 23/07/2019 at 11:13:23
@267 Especially when you consider Charlton get 1.3m of it.
Steve Brown
270 Posted 23/07/2019 at 11:59:14
In commercial terms, £16 million plus add-ons is a great deal for Leipzig and a bad deal for us. As regards the buy-back, it has very little to do with whether the player wants to play for us again or will ever do so. It makes sense if we think the value of the player will increase beyond the amount agreed in the buy-back clause in the period defined in the sale. If the club thinks a buy-back clause will yield a better return than a sell-on clause they would be stupid not to include one.
Frank Sheppard
271 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:02:24
Not a Good price to sell at, even though he is such an enigma. Wish he had got a lot more game time last season, so we know what we are losing. Shame.
Dan Parker
272 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:07:08
Can’t help but wondering if the Leipzig move is a hop towards moving to a London club for a cheaper fee.
Dan Parker
273 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:09:10
I agree Carl, he mustn’t do the hard work in training to get into the first team. Same was said of Sandro and Klassen.
Michael Lynch
274 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:14:15
I'm not that arsed about the price. He's off the books and we made a profit. He wasn't wanted at Everton, and he didn't want to be here. Nice easy transfer business. The trick will be to bring someone in using the same method.
James Marshall
275 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:30:17
We paid £7.5m rising to £11m. Whether those add-ons were paid I have no idea.

Now we're selling him for £16m rising to £22.5m for a player that has done absolutely nothing for us. Good business. Good luck to him.

Richard Mason
276 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:39:02
Why, didnt any premier league club go for fekir, at 17 million plus 9 million add ons. surely worth that
James Marshall
277 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:46:19
Note: Just because you didn't hear about things, does't mean they didn't happen.

This applies on here, Facebook, all other social media and real life.

Derek Knox
278 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:54:42
James, @ 277, well said, I have stated similar on different threads, but some people not only want instant results, but believe most of the stories that arise, of which probably 99% are pure unadulterated bull dung.

As with most Transfer Windows despite wanting to get business concluded early, it all boils down to the bigger players in the 'game' who leave things to the last few days, then one big transfer triggers a chain reaction.

Then it's madness for a last minute scramble!

Sam Hoare
279 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:56:53
Richard@276 partly his dodgy knees and partly because his father was insisting that his brother be transferred to the same club.
Si Cooper
280 Posted 23/07/2019 at 15:13:57
Just speculating
Obviously a ‘buy back’ clause wouldn’t be enforceable but some sort of ‘first refusal’ clause could work if the player discovered the grass wasn’t any greener. That would at least display to the player that it was a reluctant sale in the first place.
Eminently sensible would be a guaranteed cut of any future transfer fee (off-set by a relatively low fee at this time) if the player had the potential to really blossom and become much more marketable in the future.
We wouldn’t necessarily hear anything about any such arrangements anyway.
Kristian Boyce
281 Posted 23/07/2019 at 15:31:38
I can’t really understand why people are getting mad about the fee. What has Lookman actually done to justify a larger fee? The best football he’s played hasn’t even been for us, and that was for only 2-3 months. Other than his debut, can you count on one hand when he stood out in a game? We took a punt on him, it hasn’t worked out, but we’ve made a profit on him. I would image we have a sell on clause in the deal so if he finally reaches the potential we bought he for, then we’ll receive some money for it.
Lee Paige
282 Posted 23/07/2019 at 15:36:00
And in the meantime our transfer window is getting worryingly more and more non-existent as the days go by. We need to get the likes of Lookman out the door quick, he doesn’t want to be here. Are we actually going to see improvements to our squad compared to last season, right now it doesn’t seem like it. The damage the likes of Sam and Koeman have done by signing garbage we can’t shift is a huge burden.
Kieran Kinsella
283 Posted 23/07/2019 at 15:50:52
For all the debating on here about the fee being a good or bad deal, the fact is there's a wealth of evidence to support either side of the argument. The transfer market is a joke. Newcastle put a 50 million tag on a teenager who has played five minutes. Essentially the same price Chelsea paid for Pulisic after two or three good years with Dortmund. Eden Hazard at his peak goes for the same price Palace want for Zaha. Man Utd buy some fast kid with poor stats from Swansea for four times the price of Delph. None of it makes any sense.
Brian Williams
284 Posted 23/07/2019 at 16:06:11
Looks like a done deal. Photographed in German airport today seemingly. Due to be presented tomorrow.
Let's see if that's more journo shite or not.
Derek Knox
285 Posted 23/07/2019 at 16:42:55
Brian @ 284, I was reading in Strange Hobbies, a quarterly magazine, that Ademola Lookman likes to take photographs of Airports, especially German ones, so until we see in him in their shirt, and confirmed, it could be only a coincidence. :-)
James Flynn
286 Posted 23/07/2019 at 16:52:11
Great deal!

One year left on his contract, insists onLeipzig from the off (Whatever fixated him on that club?) and still we come away with up to 22 million for a never-was.

Liked Brands from the off, but liking him more and more as time goes by.

Brian Williams
287 Posted 23/07/2019 at 16:52:50
Derek, you spanner, it wasn't a photograph of an airport it was a photey of Mola IN an airport . and it wasn't Wick! (which is lovely by the way!)
Kevin Dyer
288 Posted 23/07/2019 at 17:02:45
Steve #270 there is absolutely no value in adding a buy-back option if the player has zero intention of returning to us. All it would do is make Leipzig less likely to buy him.

The only point to such a clause is if the player is uncertain about moving and the selling club have lost faith but want to hedge their bets (Barca with Deulofeu, a Barca fan and academy product and Mina, flopped but only at the club for 6 months).

Ian Riley
289 Posted 23/07/2019 at 19:08:28
Good deal. Not seen enough of him to make a judgement. Wish him well.

Need a central defender and striker asap please.

James Stewart
290 Posted 23/07/2019 at 19:23:18
@276

The Fekir deal has to be the signing of the window. Top player, very strange he hasn’t gone to a bigger club than Betis.

David Milner
291 Posted 23/07/2019 at 19:29:00
James 290

So Fekir has gone from a French club that is probably the number 2 in that country to a Seville team (Real Betis) that has not even qualified for the Europa League.

Does that not tell you something. Money talks.

Annika Herbert
292 Posted 23/07/2019 at 21:01:03
Not that bothered that the lad has gone to be honest. I think he does have bags of potential but, clearly did, nt want to be at Everton.
As for the rest of the transfer window, i think we might already have done all the business we intend doing. So much for getting the targets in early. Yes I do know there are still a couple of weeks to go but there are no signs of anyone coming in.
It, s ok saying be patient but I hope to hell we are, nt going to be scraping around again at the last minute!!Pleased with the Gomes deal, not happy about Delph and have no idea why we took a keeper, even on a free.
Any enthusiasm I had has slowly been eroded. I only hope Everton prove all my doom and gloom was unfounded. But I doubt it
James Marshall
293 Posted 23/07/2019 at 21:38:03
Reports online we've agreed to flog Gana to PSG
Paul Burns
294 Posted 23/07/2019 at 21:47:33
Someone said we have to back the people who watch him in training everyday.
Well, these people have done nothing for years that suggests they know a decent player from a sh*t one.
So they've proved themselves to be no wiser than Mick the cabby after all.
Ian Riley
295 Posted 23/07/2019 at 22:55:21
Annika#292. Your right. It's the hope that kills us every summer. I always think of those promoting our club are the best around. A waiting list for season tickets for mid table and 2nd round defeat in the league cup at Barnsley in September and fourth round fa cup defeat in January.

I think age changes expectations. Realistically top eight in the league at a push. Good cup run if the manager thinks it's worth it? The league title is out of three clubs. Sadly our expectations are the same as when Moyes was in charge but we do have quality players.

The excitement of a new season is felt with realism. However we have hope and that what matters.

Chris Gould
296 Posted 23/07/2019 at 22:55:53
Annika,
Bernard, Mina, and Gomes were all signed on the last day of the transfer window. I hadn't heard a whisper about Bernard or Gomes until a day or so before.
Brands utilises the entire window and plays his cards close to his chest.

Players will come in. We just have no idea who.

Darren Murphy
297 Posted 23/07/2019 at 23:33:25
I wanted him to stay, but I appreciate what a few above comments have said, they make sense and i'm thinking the same.

We have limited time so before Bale comes to us ( ffs give me some credit) what do you's think?

Neres...Linked but a maybe for me

Malcom...yes please

Zaha...hahahahahahhaaaaa

Zouma...wishful thinking but not dead as of yet

Arias...good idea at RB

Doucouré...Watford will ask for Bale fee where as West ham will get £ 40 mill said price lol, I want him here if Gana goes.

Bas Dost...bit like Andy Pipkin, Yeah but no but yeah

Moise Kean...Yes please, but don't buy at a stupid price

Mandzukic...Nope, just no.

Usmanov...not ready yet =}

Alderweireld...Roma bid apparently accepted?...We are as good no? Yes I know but still

Boubakary Soumare...Just sign him please imo

Or dead wood.

Just a few thoughts: What do you lassess n lads say? Tick tock

Sam Hoare
298 Posted 24/07/2019 at 09:26:36
Annika@292 I don't think it's so much about 'scraping around' at the last minute as it is about selling clubs thinking that they can rip off any PL club and putting high valuations on players (eg Barcelona supposedly asking for £40m for Malcom). It also about top players wanting to wait to see what other offers might materialise before they say yes to a club (especially if that club is mid-table in the PL).

Brands/Silva no doubt have their top options and then a number of back ups. But they are prepared to wait till the last minute to see if they are able to get their first picks (which is what happened in the case of Mina). It's not ideal but there's not much you can do if the selling club over-values initially and the player wants to see what else comes in. Better to be patient and get the right player(s) then to jump on board something that doesn't fit right.

I still think we will bring in 4-5 players in the next 2 weeks depending on who leaves. I hope:

Leao/Kean/Diaz
Malcom/Neres/Traore
A fast CB (Soumaoro/Kimpembe/Kamara)
A RB (Arias/Maehle/Reece James)
And possibly a Gueye replacement (Sangare/Sammesakou/Berge)

Brian Williams
299 Posted 24/07/2019 at 09:48:20
Darren.
Malcom, Doucoure, Kean and Soumare?

To use an old one: If Carlsberg did transfer windows that would be......................

I can't even allow myself to dream we'd get them but if we did? Well I can't say because it just won't compute!! :-)

John Wilson
300 Posted 24/07/2019 at 09:56:07
As someone has already said above, Lookman's agent has potentially, in a Machiavellian type of way, planned this as a strategic move. Move on the cheap currently for a stupidly expensive move in a few years time to the London clubs...or even Liverpool.

Lookman thinks he is too good for Everton, so it would seem. Silva's recent predecessors have really made a mess - without that Silva would likely have shaped this young prima dona which would also have meant Lookman stayed at Everton.

Sam Hoare
301 Posted 24/07/2019 at 10:21:37
Brian & Darren, Doucoure would be crazily over-priced from Watford who obviously bear us no good will and I'm not convinced he's a good Gueye replacement. He's not great defensively and doesn't make a lot of tackles, clearances, blocks or interceptions; I don't think you could partner him with Gomes without having a quite pourous midfield, they are too similar in style (though i think Doucoure is better!)

I reckon Watford would charge us £40m-50m given the enmity and i'm not sure he's worth that to us now that we have bought Gomes.

Simon Smith
302 Posted 24/07/2019 at 10:37:43
Doucoure was terrible in the FA Cup final. Worst player on the pitch by a country mile..
Björn Kausemann
303 Posted 24/07/2019 at 19:33:29
Big mistake to sell him. If he have dad more times on the pitch he would reach the same level as Zaha from Palace. Bad job Mr. Silva.
In two or three years his worth is about 50 Mil. Pounds.
He never got a real chance.

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