Morgan Schneiderlin looks likely to join Fabian Delph on the sidelines after he picked up a knock
Everton begin their most testing run of the season this weekend when they take an injury-ravaged side to Leicester with Marco Silva in a precarious position despite a show of unity from Marcel Brands.
The Dutchman appeared on evertontv earlier today to explain that the club will try to move forward together and find some form under Silva who was booed off the field with his players last Saturday after the defeat to Norwich and has faced widespread calls for his sacking in the days since.
Nevertheless, the feeling is that the manager will remain under pressure unless he can effect a remarkable turnaround in results but his prospects of pulling off surprises in successive away games against the current top two in the Premier League have been dealt a severe blow by more injuries.
The Blues will be down to the bare bones in midfield after Morgan Schneiderlin sustained an injury that looks likely to rule him out of the match. Silva was already set to be without Fabian Delph and long-term absentees Jean-Philippe Gbamin and André Gomes for the game against the Foxes but Schneiderlin sustained a knock, either during or since last Saturday's defeat to Norwich, and
Under-23s defensive midfielder, Beni Baningime, who has prior first-team experience, is also unlikely to be available after he hobbled out of the second string's defeat to Fleetwood on Tuesday.
That would leave Silva with just Tom Davies among players who could be regarded as defensive midfielders and the expectation is that he would have to pull Gylfi Sigurdsson or Alex Iwobi back into a deeper role to cover while possibly also promoting Denis Adeniran from the U23s to the senior match day squad.
Additionally, Theo Walcott and Seamus Coleman are out with unspecified problems but it looks as though Bernard will back in the squad after a month on the sidelines with a torn knee ligament.
"Unfortunately some not good news,” Silva said in his pre-match press conference. “Let's see tomorrow after one more session but the news is not so good. Morgan is a big doubt for the match. Theo the same.
“For Fabian Delph, it will be really difficult for him to be fit for the next match. Bernard is ready. He's been doing full sessions. Of course, he needs a bit of time because he was out for a month but he's been working and doesn't feel as much pain in his knee.
“One more piece of bad news: Unfortunately for us, Coleman will be out as well.”
While he may not want to risk having all of his available first-team defenders on the pitch bar Leighton Baines on the pitch at the same time with a gruelling festive campaign to come, Silva could also opt for a 3-5-2 line-up that would provide some more protection at the back in the absence of his preferred two holding midfielders. That would see Michael Keane return to the starting XI to play alongside Mason Holgate and Yerry Mina, with Djibril Sidibe and Lucas Digne charged with providing the width.
Less likely, given his steadfast reluctance thus far to even entertain starting with two strikers, is the option of going 4-4-2, with Sigurdsson alongside Davies, Iwobi at the tip of the diamond and either Richarlison, Moise Kean or Cenk Tosun playing off Dominic Calvert-Lewin up front.
Whatever happens, even though they won at the King Power Stadium last year, you feel as though Everton are on a hiding to nothing in view of Leicester's form so far this season and the sheer number of injuries afflicting Silva's squad. It means that this game and Wednesday's Anfield derby effectively represent “free hits” for the manager and the hierarchy would likely take his misfortune on the injury front into account when assessing his immediate future should the Blues lose both.
Complete capitulation, however, is more likely to edge him closer to the exit.
Kick-off: 4:30pm, Sunday 1st December, 2019
Referee: Graham Scott
Last Time: Leicester City 1 - 2 Everton
Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Sidibé, Keane, Holgate, Mina, Digne, Davies, Sigurdsson, Iwobi, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin
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1 Posted 29/11/2019 at 14:53:36
Coleman Holgate Mina Baines
Sidibe Davies Iwobi Digne
Both Sidibe and Digne are wasted as full-backs, so play them as wingers instead... simples.
2 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:14:36
As others have wondered could Baines play in midfield? Try Adeniran perhaps? I would go 4-4-2 with Tom and Alex in CM flanked by Richi and Bernard with DCL and Moise up front. We will get room to move against Leicester and that team will work hard.
3 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:28:34
4 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:28:45
5 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:30:29
6 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:35:59
Its certainly good news that schneiderlin wont play, he is the very definition of a man short.
This might force Marco into something different on Sunday, although I doubt it.
7 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:39:23
Give Sigurdsson the start and tell him to start getting his arse in gear or hes gone.
Play Davies next to him, and then put Iwobi in front of them, end of debate?
No disrespect but neither Schneiderlin or Delph have got the legs to cope with the energetic whipper-snapper style that both Leicester and Liverpool play anyway, so its hardly a big loss is it.
Schneiderlin runs around in a 10 yard circle and Delph is everything we probably feared and expected, injury prone and his legs have gone (thats why City got shut).
8 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:40:16
Could be a blessing in disguise as he will be forced to re-jig the players and formulate a different strategy, assuming of course he has one.
They say that ' necessity is the mother of invention ' but should we get a result it will be by way of a forced change rather than by the ingenuity of Silva.
9 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:40:36
10 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:42:44
11 Posted 29/11/2019 at 17:59:30
The formation wont change, and I think it will be suicide dropping Iwobi or Sigurdsson back to the centre of midfield.
12 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:01:32
Do you like him too?
13 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:11:15
But Dave #1 is right, even within that formation this could mean good news. I've been advocating for nearly a year now that Sigurdsson should be pulled back to defensive mid. He's better than Schneiderlin in defensive nous, work rate and passing, and he doesn't make stupid fouls just outside the box.
Now it seems like necessity might force Silva to actually do it.
14 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:14:17
15 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:16:32
16 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:18:15
17 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:18:39
18 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:23:07
19 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:28:47
20 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:30:42
21 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:57:03
22 Posted 29/11/2019 at 18:59:23
Perfect opportunity to give 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 a real shot.
Mina Keane Holgate
Sidibe Iwobi Davies Bernard Digne
Sidibe Mina Holgate Digne
Davies Iwobi Bernard Sigurdsson
Subs for both (or close to it):
Keane (in the 4-4-2)
Sigurdsson (in the 3-5-2)
IMO we have to flood the middle of the park or the best in form midfield in the EPL - Ndidi / Tieleman / Maddison - will run roughshod over us.
23 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:04:20
Do people not realise this is the Premier League in 2019, a frenetic breakneck speed that takes no passengers and will ruthlessly punish you.
Theres not a cat in hells chance of Baines at the age of 35, playing in a position where in all his career he has never ventured.
24 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:06:32
If it wasnt for bad luck Silva would have no luck at all.
Sunday could be a right mauling. Even with a fully fit team we would struggle against this team.
25 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:12:50
Rejoicing in having even more players in rehab in an already depleted squad is counter intuitive to me if you genuinely want Everton to get a result on Sunday.
But then, there are some Blues who make it a virtue in wishing their team to lose.
26 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:26:20
27 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:28:54
We havent actually got a ball winner in our squad anymore.
Schneiderlin is too slow to get near players that have pace and mobility.
Delph is another one that cant run anymore, fine player in his day but in the games I have seen him this season hes looked very leggy and hes not had the “Gareth Barry impact” that I hoped he would.
The loss of Gueye who in the second half of last season was immense at putting fires out in dangerous areas, has been very costly and exactly why I said before we sold him that we were selling him off on the cheap, he was far too important a player for Everton.
Davies is about the most likely to win the ball or put a tackle in, thats why Id sit him deep and put Sigurdsson next to him and then Iwobi in front.
Whoever we play there its not going to have any legs or energy and will struggle to cope with the running of Maddison and co.
28 Posted 29/11/2019 at 19:58:54
29 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:02:12
30 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:16:48
Look at what you have pick a formation which emphasizes the strengths of those players. So its attack attack all the way for me.
4-3-3 or 3-5-2 will work.
Not holding my breath though Marco.
31 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:30:19
32 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:38:14
33 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:39:07
34 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:41:36
35 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:43:21
The next two matches should see us slaughtered on current form, even if we had something approaching a full squad. At least Silva now has an excuse. What's the Board's for not taking action after the Burnley fiasco?
36 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:44:26
I don't think so, mate.
John @34, you're right, there's a lot of whining about Silva.
37 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:46:00
38 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:49:12
39 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:51:59
40 Posted 29/11/2019 at 20:54:10
41 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:01:28
Keane, Holgate, Mina,
Sidibe, Iwobi, Davies, Bernard, Digne,
More than enough quality there to get a result, a strong centre, energy in midfield and pace in attack.
It's easy this football manager lark!
42 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:21:36
43 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:53:45
Coleman out, now that is a bit of a worry, at least he trys.
Though tbh, its got to the stage that if this Club told me it was Wednesday I'd check to see if it wasn't Tuesday or Thursday.
And there's not ONE player in the U23s or even U18, with a decent engine who couldn't come in...in an emergency...and do the very basic basics.?
I not asking him to come in put his foot on the ball and boss it like Charlton Vs Beckenbauer. Just run and run, block and tackle or stick to his man...and if in doubt, sling it up field or if all else fails row Z. I wouldn't care if he never set foot in their final third of the field...and there's not one?
Also, if players like Bernard or even Delph are borderline for Leicester. Silva please please please don't risk them - save them for the Derby.
Look upon Leicester as a Derby rehearsal. If it takes two lines of 5 to get the job done then do it.
Then double down on it midweek. If we have to be cast as the Rourkes Drift dedenders then fuckin do it, make them pay.
44 Posted 29/11/2019 at 21:55:27
Sidibe Keane Mina Digne
Iwobi Davies Bernard
Kean DCL Richarlison
45 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:00:59
Did we change managers and nobody told me?
Folks, Marco Silva has two alignments. 4-2-3-1 for most of the game and 3-3-4 in the final minutes when we're behind.
46 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:13:52
47 Posted 29/11/2019 at 22:49:56
48 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:24:07
Id ask whether theres ONE who could come in and do a decent job. Gordon, Beningami, Adeniran. The only possibles in my view. And not one guaranteed to do a decent job.
49 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:35:59
There are no guarantees with him at that age, there is no guarantee with any player at 16, but having worked with him in his first year scholarship - where he played as an attacking midfielder - I knew he had the temperament, he had the talent and he, most importantly, had the desire to work hard and to listen.
“Hes a great listener, he takes on board information and applies it on the pitch. That for me is what sets the best players out.”
And Unsworth believes that playing as a No10 - but in a different way Everton fans may be used to seeing - is Calvert-Lewins best position.
“For me, and its only my opinion, when teams play with a No10 and a No9 teams tend to use the No10 as an extra midfielder,” Unsworth explained.
50 Posted 29/11/2019 at 23:59:00
DCL hasn't played attacking midfielder since a couple of appearances there in 2015 at Northampton in League 2. He never once played the position at Sheffield United or Everton, except for one 14-minute sub appearance two years ago.
So if there was a transition, he made it at age 18, not 20. And when Unsworth made that comment he was only 16.
DCL is a forward, has been for quite a long time. So no, he is absolutely not going to suddenly get a Prem start at the #10 spot.
51 Posted 29/11/2019 at 00:04:28
Interesting,I wasnt aware of that but its defensive midfielders we are short of as well as goal scorers.
52 Posted 30/11/2019 at 01:18:08
The slow death continues.
53 Posted 30/11/2019 at 01:20:12
Holgate Keane Mina
Sidibe Iwobi Davies Bernard Digne
Nothing to lose as we are expected to get tonked.
54 Posted 30/11/2019 at 01:43:00
We need to be searching for a manager who has the ability to get back into the Premier League at first time of asking. More than one season in the Championship will be the end of any ambitions we have for a new stadium.
55 Posted 30/11/2019 at 01:58:56
I'm not asking him to come in put his foot on the ball and boss it like Charlton Vs Beckenbauer. Just run and run, block and tackle or stick to his man...and if in doubt, sling it up field or if all else fails row Z. I wouldn't care if he never set foot in their final third of the field...and there's not one?
All that's required for the next 2 games (not even looking any further atm) is Uber KITAP1...and I'm not too fussed about the AP1 bit either.
56 Posted 30/11/2019 at 04:16:27
57 Posted 30/11/2019 at 04:17:13
I think the formation suits Holgate well enough, but it's typically been a disaster for Keane and Mina. In fact, I think the main reason people were down on Mina after last season could be traced back to the few times Silva tried to force a back three - he looked so clumsy and out of sorts, that's what ended up sticking in people's minds.
Otherwise, not much to do but put the negativity and gloom aside, circle the wagons and adopt an "Evertonians against the world" mentality. What the hell do we have to lose?
58 Posted 30/11/2019 at 05:25:47
59 Posted 30/11/2019 at 05:44:14
Sidibie Holgate Mina Digne
Iwobi Davies Sigurdsson Bernard
4 -5-1 , 4-4-2, 4-1-1
Call it what you will, It should be flexible. DCL needs to be the conduit between the midfield and Richarlison needs to be feeding off him. There is youthful energy ,strength ,aggression, pace , and class in them two , defenders wont like facing them. Both of them can be a nuisance to defenders and hard to handle.
DCL can win headers all day long, he is indefatigable. He can get get flick ons or lay it off to our midfield to get a quick pass to set Richarlison on his way to go on his own or pull it back to the advancing midfield and DCL.
This formation bolsters the midfield whilst still retaining a goal threat, it's got to be worth a try. Those two forwards are not afraid to score, and all four of those midfielders have a goal threat.
Come on Marco !!!!!!!!, we need to try something different.
I am maybe deluded but I still want him to learn from his mistakes, not be afraid of trying something different and turn it around.
60 Posted 30/11/2019 at 06:08:28
This week we are playing a team riding high and full of confidence with pace and power all over the pitch.
If Silva tries anything stupid with the under performing lot we have it could get embarrassing.
I think he has to be defensively minded but have an attacking option 4141
Davies has done well for England U21 as a defensive midfielder so play him in front of the back 4
Kean and Richie with pace out wide to support DCL
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Kean Iwobi Sigi Richie
61 Posted 30/11/2019 at 06:39:26
62 Posted 30/11/2019 at 06:40:43
To ensure a result of some sort I have put a bet on Leicester, this is bound to tip the scales in our favour. If we win Ill open a crowdfunding page to fund the seasons betting. This time next year we will be champions or Ill be a millionaire 🤣
63 Posted 30/11/2019 at 08:02:44
The realistic improvement that we should expect from Everton is that they will be better prepared through hard work, focus and determination on the training ground during the week.
Brands interview does not show that there is the leadership in the Club to inspire this.
64 Posted 30/11/2019 at 08:15:48
I'd be amazed if Silva sees it that way, he can't think outside the box and his team selections are usually rigid and unimaginative.
Whatever the team is we will be lucky to even get a draw tomorrow, we can only pray we have a bit of luck.
65 Posted 30/11/2019 at 08:26:25
Hoping for an upset but in all honesty and reality can't see that happening.
66 Posted 30/11/2019 at 08:36:00
Silva has been a massive disappointment with game management, tactics and using substitutes at the right time. He seems like a nice guy, but he's not a premiership manager, no way.
67 Posted 30/11/2019 at 08:51:45
He is not only very highly paid, but was head-hunted, you can't make this stuff up, and to us mere mortals it simply beggars belief.
68 Posted 30/11/2019 at 09:15:36
This thread reads like a game of FIFA20 in manager mode.
He's more likely to just stick to the same formation, and plug the gaps with some square pegs as usual.
You can probably make a case for us doing OK against the upcoming opponents, and Magic Marco somehow keeping his job. Sigh.
69 Posted 30/11/2019 at 09:50:48
Coleman, Holgate, Mina, Digne
Sigi, Davies, Iwobi
Kean, DCL, Richarlison
This is the team I expect:
Coleman, Keane, Mina, digne
Walcott, sigi, Richarlison
The expected team is too slow and well lose. Simple
70 Posted 30/11/2019 at 09:55:42
Coleman out injured as are Walcott and Schneiderlin
71 Posted 30/11/2019 at 09:58:56
We might get something then, as schneiderlin is the massive weakness in the team Marco usually puts out.
And Walcott is the very symbol of a snowflake footballer...
72 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:00:54
Regardless of who he picks I hope we win tomorrow and if he plays Schneiderlin and the lad scores a hat trick I will be delighted.
I have never wanted us to lose and never will- ultimately we are in desperate need of the points and some confidence with “them” next.
73 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:04:16
74 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:29:39
75 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:44:02
If, during the last week, the management haven't been tackling the first three deficiencies, then they don't deserve to be in post. Similar message to some of the players.
76 Posted 30/11/2019 at 10:44:05
I think if they get an early goal we're going to get mullered. Vardy against Mina or Keane is almost just unfair.
Really not looking forward to this. (I may have to bench Digne in my FFL side to avoid the minus points.)
77 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:05:37
Do I think Duncan is the new manager? No, but if anyone on the staff could motivate the players for that game immediately after either a crap performance on Sunday or the manager being sacked, then it's him. With Silva still in charge, if things go badly tomorrow, then I really daren't think about what might happen next week.
I am always a 'glass almost full' type and cling to the hope that injuries will force him to pick an energetic team with pace and desire to win. Calvert-Lewin has to play as he will lead the line with energy and has a point to prove. Tosun must not be anywhere near the team as he has no pace, no physical presence and is not a target man. Silva needs to gamble and challenge Kean to show him why he should have been in the team and I'd give the captaincy to Tom regardless of who else plays.
In a strange way, I am looking forward to seeing this game as it really is shit or bust with what is just around the corner. I am fascinated to see what Silva is made of because we sure as hell will find out tomorrow.
78 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:23:12
79 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:23:44
All we can hope for his 100% commitment from everybody, and as Chris Wilder has shown at Sheffield Utd a well drilled and well coached side can often overcome the lack of big money buys. Now some will argue that we are not well coached and results would tend to back up that argument. But most of the team that Silva will select even with the amount of injuries most will be seasoned internationals. You here ex players always saying win your personal battles, so that should be the basis we start from.
80 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:29:35
81 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:37:31
If I were Silva, I would probably say something like:
"If you can't play for me and get a result, then go out there and get a result for the 3,000 travelling fans, who have followed you through thick and thin this season. The least they deserve is a good performance and positive result."
Will it work? Hopefully. COYB!!
82 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:42:34
If we do not have a tight and organised set-up, it is a tonking today.
83 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:47:06
Silva is useless but some of the players have been disgraceful
84 Posted 30/11/2019 at 11:50:37
But I have no idea why anyone would want Sigurdsson in the team, he has been every bit as bad as Schneiderlin but slower. He should have been binned months ago. It's not much use being a willing worker when you always arrive too late to the party.
Not a bad shout to give Baines a run out as the defensive midfielder though, at least in my opinion
85 Posted 30/11/2019 at 12:00:35
We have no organisation, no confidence, and therefore no form or as much freedom of expression. Davies tries hard but too erratic at present. He needs an experienced head around him. (Wonder if that means he will be captain again tomorrow).
Add to Tom the energy from Iwobi, Richarlison and Kean then we can should see some exiting times ahead... err with the correct management. Id love to so in on he training sessions. The real training sessions. What patterns and shapes or passing do they practice, lm sick of seeing them give them ball away or watching Digne overhit a cross to the solitary man in the box.
Such is the life of an Evertonian
86 Posted 30/11/2019 at 12:39:12
Managed by Bullshitter.
Because that is what we have seen for most of the season. Attach the monikers to whoever you like.
87 Posted 30/11/2019 at 12:49:22
Whichever way you look at this game its hard to fancy us, the only crumb of comfort I can come up with is they seem to play better against the top sides.
Even so its difficult to see us getting points, its back to wall stuff where we need maximum effort.
You never know they might surprise us!
88 Posted 30/11/2019 at 13:06:08
Noticed that your team and Manager all ended in 'er', so no scorer, or defender?
89 Posted 30/11/2019 at 13:10:42
Were hard to leave out. Do we have a scorer or defender?
90 Posted 30/11/2019 at 13:47:16
91 Posted 30/11/2019 at 13:59:43
Perhaps we "extra" dread playing them 🙂
Julian @90 I couldn't agree more. I especially liked the smirk when he said "well you guys have been asking that since the Wolves match in the 4th game." 😂 (About the 'do you get the sense you've been given this game as a 'must win')
92 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:03:10
93 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:32:07
94 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:34:17
95 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:36:43
Anyone think differently?
96 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:49:42
97 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:58:30
Leicester were a yo-yo club not too long ago.
98 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:03:26
It's another case of Kenwright's obsession with giving ex-players jobs, the worst example being Duncan Ferguson. Managers come and go but the old boys remain...
99 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:18:14
George @98, there was a really interesting analysis piece (video on YouTube) the other day by ToffeeTV. The general gist is similar to yours. We're not developing talent, and we're being far too patient in letting the ones who'll never make it to the senior squad stick around.
100 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:23:30
George @98, you make a good point; however, I've said that before and been boiled alive on here.
101 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:30:58
We have Gordon, Adeniran and Gibson who need to be given opportunities this season. Add in Kenny (a huge loss being out on loan), Davies and Calvert-Lewin, and Unsworth has not done too badly. Give these lads a proper chance before criticising Unsworth – you might find he has actually done very well!!
102 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:34:38
Mina Keane Holgate
Sidibe Iwobi Davies Bernard Digne
I completely agree with this.
103 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:51:16
104 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:54:05
Phil @102 thanks, though another EFC-related site said it was clear I had "zero football management experience" (I don't).
The primary reason was that "Bernard is too diminutive to be anywhere near the midfield" and would be "bossed around the pitch." 🤷🏻♂️😂
105 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:55:25
106 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:05:54
Oh, and Bernard is tougher than people think and too quick for most opposition players – shows those people know nothing!!
107 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:09:50
Plenty of supporters, and they include the fans that go to watch the younger players, have often written that various young players are worth a shot in the first team. So put the blame on the person who will not give them a chance and instead plays veterans who are criticized weekly.
108 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:13:38
109 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:16:19
My recollection is that the Big Man brought Craig Shakespeare and another guy to work with him on the first team. Steve Walsh as Director of Football had also worked with him before. But I guess he had a point!
110 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:22:13
111 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:43:30
112 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:55:12
Coaches work on the training ground to ensure the players work on the tactics the manager has laid out for the upcoming game, help the players improve in the positions they played at, ensure the players maintain their levels of fitness, and most probably a lot more than we are aware of.
There have been a number of players that have shown improvements this season, Calvert-Lewin and Davies are a couple, and I am sure there are others who have improved through the help of the coaches.
113 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:55:46
How long before Calvert-Lewin, Davies etc are sold to put money in the already bulging pocket of Kenwright?
114 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:13:54
115 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:15:49
116 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:17:11
Please also bear in mind that the U23 are now what used to be called the "Reserves". As such, it may be that Unsy is "asked" by the first-team management to play certain players who are recovering from injury, or need "game time", or that have been out of first-team contention for some other reason and the first-team management want to have a 'look" at them.
They may not, actually be Unsy's choice at that time or place.
117 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:29:56
118 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:30:14
Well said, hilarious and it sums things up.
I'll just add a few for our dynamic directors and manager:
119 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:39:29
120 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:41:07
Gueye a reject?
121 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:07:53
When we bought Gana from Villa he was valued at ballpark £8m. When we sold him to PSG he was valued at £27m. Maybe it was because Villa had a fire sale when they finished 20th and went down?
And I don't even rate Sigurdsson today, but it's pretty easily argued that we went after him when he was at peak value as well as performance coming from Swansea. He scored 9g, 13a his final year on their squad. So...yeah, probably not a reject. Perhaps you meant one of the only sellable assets for a team that finished 15th, and would be relegated the following year?
I hope you don't play the stock market!
122 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:17:46
I don't fear either. All the players must do is look to the terraces and see the best away fans in the world. Then, act like men and become heroes. Fuck defeatism – let us believe.
123 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:19:01
124 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:23:36
David @123 it's very hard to tell, but I'd honestly lean toward 'being serious'. There have been a great many comments/thoughts here on TW about Digne, Gomes and Mina being Barca rejects, or Iwobi not cutting it at Arsenal, etc. So the sentiment wouldn't exactly surprise me.
125 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:27:28
It takes a fan living in Ireland, who would love to be able to watch us every week, to bring a bit of cheer to this thread and to acknowledge the great fans who travel to away games everywhere to cheer us on. Let's get behind these fans and bring some glee to the support instead of outright defeatism.
126 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:31:53
I hope you're right and I am wrong.
127 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:33:30
Just kidding, Andy!
128 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:37:28
For some reason, l also forgot that Everton always let me down in my bets. I had City to draw and West Ham to win, 50/1 Double... now l just need Everton to beat Leicester and Liverpool for 4 grand, haha. You never know... Andy could be right. Coyb
129 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:39:12
Never in a million years would I have thought we would be where we are now. We have the same coach, many of the same players. If we play without fear we can win. It us up to Marco to remove the fear. This is his chance.
130 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:40:07
131 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:45:17
132 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:46:46
133 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:49:27
It does beg the question, though, that if you're correct, why can't they do that every game instead of strolling around, going side to side, and having all the penetration of an abstinent monk?
Truth is that they have good games in them, as we have seen at the back end of last season, although precious little this, but they have many days whereby they haven't got a clue. Being beaten at home by the likes of Sheffield United and Norwich City and losing 7 games out of 13 this season says it all really. And all the chest-thumping isn't going to change that.
I expect they may put up a bit of fight in the next 2 games but it won't change the fact that we look clueless most of the time. The players and manager have shown countless times how little respect they have for the Goodison Park faithful by their insipid performances and ridiculous excuses like being surprised at how good Norwich are!!
This is not what I expect of Everton. I expect a performance every game and, when it doesn't happen, we have a right to ask why not? Sad fact of the matter is that we have stopped asking that question a long time ago and now seem pleased when we put up a bit of effort against decent teams. Desperate times.
134 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:53:08
Mark (127), I doubt if Andy is drunk, but I wouldn't mind betting he'll have a good few if we get some points out of Leicester and Liverpool, especially Liverpool. Andy lives in Belfast but his football soul resides in the Blue side of Liverpool.
135 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:56:07
136 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:56:28
Dave @133 what you're saying is not wrong, though I think we have to consider that we've rarely been able to start the same XI back-to-back, regardless of injuries or not. It's impossible for these players to gel, especially the new Blues.
This is another area that explains why Leicester is doing so well. All their key components play together, week-in & week-out.
137 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:00:00
138 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:03:21
Over these many years, I have won big money by backing the 'hopeless' underdog; whilst this has usually been in the boxing ring, it works occasionally on the football pitch. 6/1 against an Everton win is widely available and good value for a modest fiver bet.
So why not join me in doing penance for all we have said throughout this week, you'll feel all the better for it – particularly if the lads shock the nation.
ps: Of course, if it comes off, we know things will return to normal in the derby!
139 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:04:02
Striker position is case in point. It was no coincidence when we had a decent run at the back end of last season that selection was consistent. He doesn't seem to have even learned that simple lesson.
140 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:09:12
142 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:14:01
We have to get points!
143 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:16:27
144 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:17:02
I would not be shocked if we got something out of the Leicester game, all logic points elsewhere, but this is Everton.
145 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:20:22
"though I think we have to consider that we've rarely been able to start the same XI back-to-back, regardless of injuries or not. It's impossible for these players to gel, especially the new Blues."
Cheers, mate, for being smart like me ;-)
146 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:20:31
Best of luck though mate.
147 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:21:00
And look at the ways dead cats bounce. Strangely, I travel tomorrow with not a little bit of hope. An early goal, a boost to confidence...
My missus has treated me to a first class train ticket. But it's only one-way. Is she trying to tell me something?
148 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:21:24
Close the Coffin Lid on your way out. :-)
149 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:25:35
We could scatter him at Finch Farm - no cremation, just scatter him at FF.
150 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:25:55
151 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:28:18
152 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:28:39
And if ever there was a time for an Everton team to turn up at Anfield, then this is it. We don't want Klopp setting a new unbeaten record against us... doesn't bear thinking about!
153 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:28:45
154 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:29:04
155 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:30:31
156 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:32:24
That event will really signal something is seriously wrong.
157 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:37:27
A bttsw £10 treble on us Sheff Utd and Villa pays just under 10 gorillas.
158 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:38:53
159 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:39:13
Well and truly yesterday's man, achieved nothing since he left us, other than destroying Man Utd and taking Sunderland down.
He called us The People's Club and then dumped all over us when he left.
Moyes, no thanks.
160 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:40:32
Yeah right, he took over Sunderland in similar circumstances and took them down with an 18% win rate, and a misogynist threat on a reporter too. There wouldn't be the fanfare he received in 2002, and no 'new manager' bounce, so he would be the worst possible appointment.
Before him, I'd have Fat Sam back. (I think he's actually still being paid by EFC so it makes sense!)
161 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:41:14
If anything, I think Wednesday is the more likely to come off.
162 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:41:48
Moshiri on clarinet playing 'Stranger on the Dock'; Silva on trombone, blowing hot air; Brands, banging his own drum; and dear old Bill – on the fiddle. With Ferguson on vocals, singing "I wish I was a rich man."
All out of tune, out of sync and drawing boos from the fans. Venue Goodison Park, Liverpool and other theatres of dreams – showing weakly (sic). Tickets available on StubHub.
163 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:45:34
164 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:51:45
ps: Who is your bookie?
165 Posted 30/11/2019 at 19:57:43
Made me chuckle that. What death throes our season would be getting relegated yet taking six points from that lot over the road!!!
166 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:06:32
Has a plan B no one else has mentioned an alternative to the dreaded Silva. I can't see big Sam coming back.
It has to be Eddie Howe for me, he would unite the club.
Besides no decent foreign manager would come anywhere near us, all the crap ones would. Probably the ones Brands calls his friends.
We have to get this sorted after the Derby game and I think it will be, or we're going the same way as the Titanic.
167 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:06:36
Given the choice there's some on here who would prefer to take 6 pts off the dark side and then go down.
168 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:09:28
169 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:14:39
The Titanic stayed afloat for a while and tried to save the situation, we're about to do a Lusitania, that's disappear without so much as a radio message or splash.
170 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:19:53
Maybe we should replace the flags on seats at the next home game for lifebelts ?
171 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:23:46
That's actually a good idea, just image 39000 in them.
I still think they wouldn't get the message though.
172 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:34:18
173 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:34:51
174 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:35:36
Marco Silva did indeed handle himself really well in that interview as opposed to the characters posting the questions.
There “daggers drawn” approach now has me sincerely hoping he finds a way to turn this around.
175 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:41:14
I think this is part of the problem. I have it from a fairly reliable source that we sounded out Moyes about exactly this, but he turned us down due to the short term nature of the offer - this may not be new news to some, but it at least highlights the way we are thinking.
176 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:42:33
Even if he does get a few results from the upcoming games we'll probably slip back into the same old same old come the new year.
It would have been kind to release him many weeks ago, rather than put him and us through what's about to happen. A new manager or caretaker with a month or so might have had time to prepare?
177 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:46:18
178 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:47:43
See you all in church tomorrow!!
179 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:48:04
The current positon we are in cannot be underestimated.
We are still paying Big Sam from last time and he did a very good job of keeping us up, chuck him a few more million (make it worth his while) and a "Play it again Sam!" (until the end of the season, then adios).
We are desperate!
180 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:48:41
181 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:54:28
Ryan @180 what's your starting XI?
182 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:56:30
Eddie Howe was my suggestion.
183 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:58:53
184 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:07:49
To play with guts, care and spirit for 95 mins is as rare for this squad, as me winning on the horses.
Tomorrow if they cant get focused and driven for this game, then many will follow the manager.
Mediocrity is not an option in professional football, but at EFC, regrettably its become norm.
Rogers has proved to be a decent manager and I consider a good man manager.
The team must play like wolves tomorrow, and take their chances.
Im blanking Leicester out iof my mind, for all their prowess this season.
The irony is we win we do the RS, a favour, but I always want us to win.
Lets hope and pray we can cause a nice surprise.
Form suggest extremely unlikely, but lets do one game at a time, and take the RS, after tomorrows game.
Surely the players will be up for it? Id go 4-4-2, on the basis the team has a game plan and sticks to it. Forget about their players and form, its up to us on the day.
185 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:11:31
186 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:11:31
Bournemouth are above us on limited resources, Howe has been there a long time and is highly regarded, he's worked miracles at a small club. Who ever we get will be a huge gamble at the stage of decay we are at, beggars can't be choosers. Arteta won't come here, so don't go there.
187 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:13:48
Thats for us to win. bttsw is a great bet its paid for my seasie for the last 5 years as well as my last 3 holidays but zilcho so far this season
188 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:21:11
to rebuild our team on a five year contract. Now that's a different matter.
NO a million times NO.
189 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:24:23
Bill Kenwright and his cronies are the real problem at Everton, he is a benign cancer that must be exorcised if we are to become a professional modern club.
190 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:27:48
Nobody else has really mentioned Bilic. I know its a lot different being a manager to a pundit (Gary Neville) but l think he knows his stuff. Im any case l think that Brands has to access the squad and choose a manager that would get the best of them while also identifying a style that fits them... and the crowd.
From Martínez to Koeman was the biggest mistake weve made since Moshiri came in, you cant buy a set of players for one style of play then rip it up and start again with something completely different. Well, we can.
191 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:29:28
Trevor @186 that's about the only part that I can see, the less resources piece. They're not poor, but they've spent anywhere from 20-60% less than us. He's somewhat intriguing with Moshiri's pocketbook and working in unison with Brands.
But what if I want Arteta really, really badly? Think he'd come then?
Oh, and I mentioned it elsewhere on TW, but Marcelino to me is a very intriguing option, and he's available. Very nice recent CV, from a very similar situation in La Liga that we find ourselves in now.
192 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:31:47
"I just want someone to get us out of this shit we are in".
That is how I feel exactly. Paul, could you in a million years have thought at the start of the season we would be where we are now? No? Me neither.
I have "the fear" about us and I need a cool hand like Jay Wood, Steve Ferns or Darren Hind to put up an article saying we are safe and all will be well.
193 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:45:44
194 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:49:41
We have, through gross negligence, failed to equip ourselves with at least one reliable goalscorer for three seasons. It is no surprise that we are in trouble, we've been playing with fire and now we are getting burned.
195 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:57:12
196 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:10:58
197 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:17:42
We lose tomorrow
Moyes comes in on Monday
Ferguson is retained as part of the coaching staff
We lose on Wednesday
Moyes keeps us up -just
The new, foreign, manager arrives in the summer
The pattern starts again
198 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:19:41
Clear the heads, and start fresh. Years of stop, start, same old, result, and we are in a rut.
Same old, doesnt work, and a ruthless restart is needed at board level.
The club is in a mess, and is in decline,regardless of what the club may say, as theres no plan or desire to start fresh.
The focus is on tomorrows game, like none in recent times we need a result. Last seasons again would do.
199 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:29:00
"We have too much to go down"
Tony, I wince every time somebody writes that.
200 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:32:07
We won bugger all, we collapsed at every big game and we took on the ridiculous moniker of 'plucky little Everton' – I could go on but it boils the blood a little bit and we have a big week ahead.
201 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:45:17
202 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:49:16
Spot on there. We went for instant success. We need to do all you what you mentioned in your message starting with the Board.
We should have an U23 Squad full of players who can step right into the 1st team if there are a string of injuries (as now) as they would have been playing the same style of play as the 1st team. Presently, all the playing levels play differently.
We have to build; instant success is not working.
203 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:00:22
What do you want to happen tomorrow?
Everton to win (Giving Silva some reprieve)
Everton to lose (Speeding Silva's departure)
A moral dilemma. Remember where Kendall was before Adrian Heath scored the goal in the old League Cup. Are you a true Blue?
204 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:00:41
If we're not careful both fans and players are going to tie themselves in knots. We simply have to go out in games and develop some hardness of mind. It would help if our fanbase did not consistently delude itself as to the size of the challenge we face as a club.
205 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:01:12
Given the lack of confidence, the manager's stubbornness and miserable disposition, the injuries and the impending December fixture list, it's hard to see us not in the bottom 3 heading into the New Year.
Reality appears to be that there are no available options to replace Silva and, unless we can conjure a goal scorer in the January window, little chance of relief on the pitch.
It is getting near the time when we will have to circle the wagons and grind out some unlikely results I just hope the current squad have got the stomach for the fight because most of the teams around us certainly have.
206 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:15:54
If Everton as a club, start the day with belief and can do, attitude, we have a level chance of a result.
Injuries aside, tomorrow we should take the initiative and drive for a result.
Leicester are good, but never will be great. Seconds in time, moments in football, years at the top, no guarantee.
Only a few clubs can do it consistently. Everton have a good early history, but hand on heart, the last 30 years, we have been poor.
A business, football is, Everton, must move with stealth, to stay in the football business.
Bar a miracle, we will be in the bottom 3 by 31 December 2019. I hope, I'm wrong, and we win and draw, but form, and injuries, are against us.
Tomorrow, who knows, we could get a result?
207 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:24:08
208 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:27:38
209 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:28:18
"Leicester are good, but never will be great. Seconds in time, moments in football, years at the top, no guarantee."
It could be argued what Leicester did gives the greatness, they broke the monopoly of the SKY babes.
Did any club in our league look like giving the rest of us any hope like with what they achieved.
Where were we and our greatness when this was happening.
I'm proud of our history, but that's what it is history, our star is fading fast, Leicester's is shining rather brightly for a second time not so long after their most recent great achievement.
210 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:36:31
We have to dig in and build again, because we've cocked up the chances we've had to take a somewhat quicker route. It's a long road ahead; with realism and some luck we can get to the end of it.
211 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:43:31
Such is the way it is. I dont believe that we are cursed or forsaken, but very,very unlucky.
Time, waits for no one. But Everton, if serious, must call time on being pretending to be a proper club, in terms of the board. Its become a pendant to the long distant past.
Like many, we have given our hearts and souls to a club, which at current rates, in business, and at football levels, has no good stock value.
The hard work within the club, needs to start and tomorrow.
Rebuild and grow and learn from our mistakes, and what happens around us.
Lets get our pride back, by playing the right way on the park.
212 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:43:43
213 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:44:46
We however have been terrible pretty much all season. Our results against the above and indeed the quarter final v Leicester will depend on how we play more than on how the opposition play. Even with our injuries, we can put out a strong team full of internationals.
Play as we did against Sheffield and Norwich and we will lose the lot. Show some guts and determination not to lose, play with energy and pace and really get stuck in and play as a true team with absolutely every player giving his maximum and we can pull clear of the bottom three.
Do I think Silva can do this? Well I've seen no signs so far this season and if two out of Morgan, Gylfi and Delph play then we are stuffed. Only one of them if not none at all and we have a chance if he can get the team motivated, knowing that his job is on the line and we are in desperate need of points for premier league survival. We are not too good to go down. We are here because our results and performances have been crap.
We have lost to all of the promoted clubs and not just by one goal – a dreadfully poor record even before the stat that we don't fight back to win with this manager.
It will be an interesting day.
214 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:47:34
Dave @213 great news then! Morgan & Delph are out, so 2 of the 3 you posed can't play.
Paul H@several posts/Tony H countering @several posts it's funny we argue about this, don't you think? Pessimism vs. optimism. There is no more accuracy in definitively saying "we will be relegated" than there is "we won't be relegated." Unless someone can see the future, in which case what are we even arguing about? Let's all go place some quid on future results and get rich!!
(I'm in the 'won't get relegated' camp, personally)
215 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:50:35
Some might say it could ruin a player coming into the current side, but it could also go the other way, where they do the business.
If Silva really wants to keep his job, he has to gamble and put trust in these players, he may get lucky Sunday down to certain players being ruled out for tomorrow's game and the ones coming in doing a job.
Make no mistake if Coleman, Schnids and Walcott were able to play, they would be certs to start with Silva.
This could be a big break for Silva, down to luck on forced team selection.
216 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:53:00
I don't wish injuries on any player but we need to win tomorrow and two of them will ensure we play a slow game and we will be swamped if we do.
Hope you're right mate!
217 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:53:49
218 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:54:22
Managers and players come and go, but as a supporter you are there for the long run even if, like it has been for a while, rather depressing, and what makes it worse is how well the other lot are doing on the pitch, and in their boardroom.
219 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:55:30
220 Posted 30/11/2019 at 23:57:56
Its a gauge as much of the result, but of the real back bone and stomach of EFC, board and all, for a battle.
The fans have, nor will ever let EFC, down. The board, need to decide, whats it all about.
With the investment made in new players, the last four years, we are massively under achieving.
Whats the answer?
221 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:03:04
What a loss Jonjoe Kenny has been!
222 Posted 30/11/2019 at 00:03:05
History for me is what I've experienced, particularly the best, which is 8 trophies and great football to go with them. For a current young Man City supporter, they will always view their team as a great footballing trophy winner. For a young Evertonian, they probably view Everton as mediocre. For a 65-year-old Evertonian like me, they view Everton as currently mediocre but great in the big sweep of things. It's all about perspective and what you've experienced, what has seeped into you blood.
Leicester fans will be content with that one Premier League title, whereas we would always demand more because of our richer history.
223 Posted 30/11/2019 at 00:18:52
Worse still a defeat at home or away, but especially away, to one of the top four, six or whatever, became acceptable because we recognised that we didn't have the wherewithall to compete at the upper stratosphere of the league and somewhere in that 'truth' we lost our belief in our club our team and our identity.
Patiently, we all waited for the financial clout to arrive to help push us back to where we used to be, alas, when the money arrived the infrastructure required to achieve that objective wasn't in place.
In fact there has been no infrastructure whatsoever, for as many years as I can remember, success has arrived mostly due to the abilities of the manager whether that was Catterick, Kendall, Royle or even Moyes in the good times.
Unfortunately we are no longer a big club, I'm not certain that we have been one for most of my time of watching, even during the halcyon days of the 1980s. We have a big fan-base and always have had, which is mostly what has kept the club going in times of crisis, even when some fans didn't necessarily attend the games the interest has always been there, I don't suppose that it ever leaves us.
One of the issues we do have as a fan-base is as soon as the gap between the bottom three and Everton narrows we go into meltdown and hysteria takes over, where's our next point coming from? Who's going to score the goals required? How will we keep the opponents from scoring? It also works the other way, we beat a so called big club and hey presto we're on our way to the top, but the 'It's Everton that!' philosophy is never too far away, they'll screw up when it matters, they'll find a way to miss out etc etc.
I'm all for gallows humour as I'm a practioner of that particular dark art myself, I'm also in favour of seeing the reality of any given situation and we should all shout 'fire' if we see flames and smoke bellowing out of the windows, however, we mustn't totally give up on our club, we mustn't accept that we are beaten before a ball is kicked in any given game, we cannot lie down and accept relegation as a fait accompli
We have to somehow find that belief - even if it's deluded, mis-placed belief that we can win any fixture because football is a sport and in sport things can alter with a bounce of the ball or a lucky deflection or a bad call going in our favour (for once). Most of all we have to remember that defiance we once had, 'We are Everton' and we're proud to be so if not 'who are we?'
224 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:21:07
Such are the outrageous slings of fortune, whether that be good or bad, unfortunately most of them apply to the Everton we know our team today!
225 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:26:40
Do Man City have a better history than us? No, but their future is drawn well better.
226 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:26:43
227 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:32:05
If so, I cybernetically shake your hand, I have met John Snr at several TW get-togethers and although we haven't always agreed on every topic, we still remain respectful of each other, but remain friends.
I did notice that John Snr hasn't been posting recently so I sincerely hope that is because of lack of subject matter, and not attributable to anything else!
If you are his son, please give him my regards, a true Blue and a total gentleman!
He has my total respect!
228 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:34:20
229 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:35:48
Unless you play the Banjo (5 string long-neck, or the Guitar) our only chance is to re-watch that Classic Movie!
230 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:37:08
231 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:43:36
232 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:43:41
Though to be honest, I don't see anybody in the dressing room getting up and giving it the full Henry V. In fact we'll be lucky if somebody mentions, These are shite lads,
233 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:54:20
To be hastily followed by (to Silva) "Out, damned spot! Out I say!"
234 Posted 01/12/2019 at 01:02:32
235 Posted 01/12/2019 at 01:06:46
That's about how I'm seeing our chances this season, certainly no complacency and it will be a fair bit tighter than most would like.
236 Posted 01/12/2019 at 01:19:32
That's the thing, Paul – a group of talented individuals don't always make a talented team.
237 Posted 01/12/2019 at 01:28:19
My sister was once part of Burt Reynolds's and Loni Anderson's staff, I could ask her to give Burt a ring and see if he'd be interested in bringing some that 'Mean Machine' attitude over here and playing quarterback for us instead of Sigurdsson.
238 Posted 01/12/2019 at 02:11:51
He surprised a lot of us last season when we started winning. We can hope that lightning will strike twice in the same place.
239 Posted 01/12/2019 at 03:11:38
The season ended with Sheffield United relegated and West Ham staying up by the skin of their teeth.
Due to dodgy 3rd party ownership, the Premier League later acknowledged that they would never have sanctioned the transfer of the 2 famed Argentinians if they had known the true state of the players' 'ownership.'
Sheffield mounted a legal challenge, but West Ham paid a considerable sum to them to settle out of court.
The reason for the preamble is that it is being reported here in Brazil tonight that Kia Joorabchian is a close friend of fellow Iranian Farhad Moshiri and has been charged with negotiating with Gremio to conclude the €30 million transfer of Everton 'Cebolinha' Soares to the Blues in January, who EFC has been monitoring for months.
Kia Joorabchian has long-standing connections with Brazilian football so he knows the territory. Here is a link - basically an English translation of the original story in Portuguese.
Make of it what you will.
240 Posted 01/12/2019 at 03:11:51
They'll be above us this coming Wednesday and we'll be in the bottom three if form is anything to go by.
241 Posted 01/12/2019 at 04:03:45
The Blades were screwed by the FA and then they had to sell Jagielka to us.
242 Posted 01/12/2019 at 07:16:33
A good result (a win, not a draw) could alleviate the pressure and result in an ok December and a mid table finish. It would mean Silva would probably remain until the end of the season.
I don't want Silva as manager, but we must all desperately hope for a win. This team doesn't have the character for a relegation battle.
243 Posted 01/12/2019 at 07:32:35
Rob #237, your sister probably has some remarkable stories, although Burt told some of them in his book -- and judging by his account, Loni was meaner than anybody in The Longest Yard, including the guards. However, sadly Burt is no longer around to answer the phone.
Jay #239, interesting. I've never seen him for Gremio but based on what I saw of him in the Copa America, I'd be quite pleased to see Everton at Everton.
244 Posted 01/12/2019 at 07:41:05
245 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:20:37
Gbamin and Gomes have been very bad luck. Delph less so as he had a history of such injuries. Banigime would surely have had a shot if he was not injured too.
I would maybe try an ambitious 433 with Davies holding and Iwobi and Sigurdsson as box to box players.
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Sigurdsson Davies Iwobi
Kean Calvert-Lewin Richarlison
Can't see Silva ever playing this team despite the fact it used to be his preferred formation. First goal will be crucial today as ever; the failure to come back from losing positions is one of the most damning reflections on Silva's time here; good managers can positively change matches with substitutions and tactical tweaks, Silva does this less than almost all his peers.
246 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:40:32
My game plan - take them by surprise and pounce on them from the kick off. Thatll rattle them.
Up the Blues!!!
247 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:46:37
We get it in midfield, make a few passes sideways and try and work it down the wing to players who generally can't deliver. At 41 I still feel confident I could create more !
I would be sending out a team to play football and really go at them.
Coleman Holgate Mina Digne
Richarlison Kean Gordon
248 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:51:09
What annoys me is our failure to pick up 6 points from Sheffield Utd and Norwich at home. Those opportunities have been wasted on Silva due to the clubs inability to take action. The wring was on the wall over the Christmas period last year. What a difference those 6 points would make as well.
249 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:53:30
250 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:54:29
251 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:57:09
So come on you blues put a shift in and play for the fans and the shirt
252 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:11:17
Jay @ 239, thanks for the heads up on Joorabchian, assuming the link with Everton (Cebolinha) is true, we could certainly do with him, it raises various questions, which I hope you can answer.
1, Would it be all above board, no dodginess involved?
2, Is he still playing as well as he was when we last saw him?
3, Would there be any work permit issues, or does he have a Portuguese Passport?
You indeed have given me hope Jay, love the little guy from what I have seen of him. Thanks!
253 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:12:52
The reason I pick Kean in favour of Calvert-Lewin is not through a dislike of Dominic, however, I do feel Kean has that extra something and given an opportunity to show it could really kick start things for him and indeed us.
He is the type of player that I think thrives off notoriety and confidence and once that first couple of goals go in, he will be away.
I know I am always the optimist but I have a sneaking 0-3 feeling today and at 55/1 with Ladbrokes. Everton -2 is my bet of the day.
254 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:18:01
We could do a reverse Norwich and surprise Leicester today.
255 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:21:21
256 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:25:12
257 Posted 01/12/2019 at 10:11:42
258 Posted 01/12/2019 at 10:12:05
I know — let's have a fucking big party!
259 Posted 01/12/2019 at 10:17:40
Sometimes you can learn more about people in times of adversity than you ever can during times of success. I would suggest the board watch closely this week and the true depth and allegiance of the characters they have employed will become clear.
I hope Marcel Brands will be taking notes.
260 Posted 01/12/2019 at 10:24:55
261 Posted 01/12/2019 at 10:33:28
Seriously, if he plays HIM, then he (Silva) deserves the Order of the Boot. I have never disliked an Everton player so much in nearly 60 years. He just oozes negativity, and quite often in a game I am seriously struggling to see him on the pitch, how can you hide on a football pitch (?), but he has mastered it.
262 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:03:26
Mind you, I wouldn't take your advice on where to place a bet to get the best odds. Add a nought to the 55 and make it an each-way double with Red Rum to win next year's Grand National.
263 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:06:10
264 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:07:15
265 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:13:45
Derek, there are two things that he does that let him hide on the pitch. The first is to move towards an opposing player so that he isn't in a position to receive the pass, the second is if he's next to an opponent rather than run into space, he stays beside him, again so he isn't in a position to receive a pass.
Anyway, no point in talking about him, just annoys me and he couldn't care less.
Hoping for the best today, fearing the worst. One nil win, DCL.
266 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:14:55
267 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:17:55
My heart will sink though when I see Shneiderlein and Niasse rolled out at 4:30!
268 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:20:31
Surely it just adds to the nightmare...
269 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:31:04
All I see is lack of energy & pace. Compare him Gueye, that guy covered every blade, non stop. Do you see that from Schniederlin?
Cover for our defenders, read our stats.
Leadership? (laughter track insert).
All I see if a player sitting in deep, playing square passes, makes wreckless challenges that nullify his performance, so actually nullify nothing, but leaves us exposed if he gets a second yellow.
Offer me a player who gives 100% for 95 minutes but with supposedly less quality to replace Schniederlin and you have a deal.
270 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:34:43
Never in footballing history has so much money been spent by so many managers on sub-standard players on large contracts. Some of them are still at Everton winding down their contracts.
The next manager, whoever he is, will face the same problems as previous managers: who he can sell and who he can buy. Good luck to him, whoever he is.
271 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:38:55
For me, he epitomizes everything that's faltering at the club currently: poor decision making, pedestrian, lack of commitment and zero creativity. Basically sitting pretty, stealing a living.
Players of his profile need offloading, but who's gonna want him – never mind cover his wages???
272 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:45:05
What l want to happen today is;
● For us to win 5-0 with Kean, Schneiderlin, Mina, Digne, Richarlison all scoring.
● For Watford to sack their manager.
● For Watford to approach Everton for Marco Silva.
Or am l asking for too much?
273 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:48:26
274 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:04:26
Managing and playing sport is VERY SIMPLE: the harder you work, the better you will get and the more enjoyable it becomes. Excuses are for players who are not prepared to work hard, end of.
As for coaching, the more you confuse players with tactics, the worse it will get because the average player is completely selfish and only wants your praise. So keep it simple, so they have some success, and the rest will drop into place.
If they are not prepared to work hard firstly, whether it be physically or technically, then dump them – they will NEVER change.
Too much friendly chat at Everton, too much stroking the snowflakes' egos, when in fact, it should be the big stick. Life's tough, shit happens, deal with it and come back stronger.
Hope my kids get me Howard's Way for Crimbo, so I can at least sit and appreciate the work ethic and desire of real footballers. Stick this under their noses at Finch Farm.
275 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:06:49
Didn't we all complain when we played two DMF at home for so many painfully dull performances?
Gueye for the second half of last season (playing for a move admittedly) showed that a "complete" DMF can actually give so much more to the team than the back four "screening" that the moribund Schniederlin (supposedly) provides.
So I didn't see completely different roles what I saw was completely different attitudes and application.
Arguably Schniederlin is the more skillful of the two which makes his performance even more frustrating.
Apart from that David I agree (and pray) for all your other wishes.
276 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:17:54
277 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:23:10
Playing two midfielders who can do a bit of everything might just do us the world of good. If he doesn't play, I'm predicting a better performance but not necessarily a good result. I imagine it will be 4-2-3-1 – no matter who is at the manager's disposal.
278 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:23:56
279 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:28:19
Schneiderlin on the score sheet....
I dreamt it...
280 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:33:52
281 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:08:16
That's one correct. Watford's manager sacked.
I've had this discussion on here many times. Schneiderlin plays behind his midfield partner. If there's only one other in midfield, we are therefore wide open. He plays his role as he should. But, if we play him that way just in front of the back four, then we have to play a diamond in midfield... but we won't. Silva never learns.
However, today it might work better as l can see him playing 4-1-4-1. That looks defensive but it doesn't have to be. Mourinho plays with 2 defensive midfielders and they have scored 10 goals in 3 games.
It's about time things clicked. All we can do is hope.
282 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:12:33
283 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:17:33
As I posted yesterday, all I can do now is hope that the boys have a major change in fortune. Sometimes it takes just a small incident to galvanise a season, a career even. Let's get behind them all today!
284 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:26:22
What makes it even worse it that it means Silva will play Sigurdsson in his now customary invisible man role further forward. So down to 9 men from the off. Davies will yet again have a lot of dead weight to carry.
285 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:26:46
Something seriously wrong there apart from the obvious. Could you possibly imagine any other side losing to their nearest rivals in similar fashion and sulking, playing crap for a year?
No, they would dust themselves down, roll their collective sleeves up and crack on with the job in hand, this where you need a Manager with something that resembles a back-bone, and positive leadership, not a wimpy, quivering lipped highly paid excuse for one!
286 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:26:54
1 out of 3 so far.
287 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:32:32
I'm holding out for a Meatloaf "Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad"
288 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:40:32
We've seen this obsession with playing 2 holding midfielders with the last 3 managers (Fat Sam excepted) has got us precisely nowhere. if we could look back on the last 4 years with the meanest defence in the league, but we don't score enough goals, I/we would accept the system; but our goals against for the last 4-5 seasons has been piss poor.
I've just heard the joyous news that Schniederlin will be fit, so it looks like a Schniederlin - Davies - Sigurdsson 3 in midfield; if that's the case I ain't watching it.
Silva if you're reading this, don't do it; we are going to lose. Play 3 at the back with Bernard, Davies and Iwobie in midfield, with Richarlison and Kean or Calvert-Lewin up top. Lots of energy and plenty of scoring options. Then, after an hour when everyone tires, then bring on Sigurdsson or Schniederlin.
I know the chance of this happening is zero, but hey ho.
289 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:45:15
Leicester are no cert and I don't think they will be that over-confident.
It may be wishful thinking but stranger things have happened!
290 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:51:05
If the players really are behind Silva now is the time to show it, talk is cheap, roll your sleeves up today and show the manager and all the long suffering fans, who follow you everywhere that you care about this club, have a good go, hardwork wont kill you.
291 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:02:34
Your first question asking about any possible 'dodginess' in relation to Kia Joorabchian's (alleged) involvement is particularly pertinent.
I'm pretty sure the football authorities globally tried to tighten up, if not completely eradicate, the 3rd party ownership following the Tevez-Mascherano-WHU transfer that Joorabchian brokered.
He argued it is common practice in South America and it certainly is. He is extremely well-known in Brazil where in the early 2000s his company MSI had a deal to cover the giant club Corinthians debts in return for 51% of future profits.
Three years into that deal, warrants were issued for his and others arrest as it was alleged the deal was just a front for money laundering. About 7-8 years later all charges were dropped with a judge ruling everything was above board and legitimate.
What further muddies the waters of Joorabchian's alleged involvement in brokering the rumoured Cebolinha transfer is that he is not, and never has been, a registered football agent. And unlicensed agents in transfers in the English Premier League is prohibited by the Football Association.
I suppose, if there is any truth in this, then Everton can claim he is representing the club in completing the documentation of said transfer, NOT as the agent of the target player.
As for his form, whereas his club Gremio has been a bit inconsistent, his own form continues to be excellent and he remains their 'main man'.
Remembering he is a wing man, or wide forward, he has still scored 11 goals and 5 assists in the league, 4 goals and 2 assists in the Libertadores, making him their leading goalscorer.
As those who watched it will recall, in the summer for Brazil he usurped both our own Richarlison and David Neres from their starting positions and ended up the tournament's top scorer.
He hasn't featured that much for Brazil since because his club was given priority to retain him for key Libertadores games.
Because he is now playing frequently for Brazil, there shouldn't be any work permit issues. No idea if, like many Brazilians with European heritage, he can fiddle a Portuguese or Italian Passport.
You would like the headline from the original Portuguese rumour story I saw last night: "Everton Cebolinha Soares interessa gigantes ingleses".
At least the Brazilians understand what a footballing English Giant is, even if some of our own fans don't.
Cebolinha and Gabigol in January would completely transform our forward line.
BUT! It is all just rumour!
292 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:18:37
I'm pretty sure these guys trawl all Fans Websites, and especially with you being in Brazil, along with Fran Mitchell, they immediately latch on, as it saves them doing any serious research into stories like this.
I am hoping as you say if we could get them both, Soares and Gabigol in the January Window, then wow, but under this current Manager God knows how and where he would play them.
Then there's the possibility that the likes of Man City, who are a more attractive proposition, stepping in to any negotiations and whipping them away.
293 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:26:48
I like the idea that I could be responsible for the Cebolinha deal now doing the rounds on all UK respectable and non-respectable football transfer rumour sites!
Move over, Tim Vickery!
294 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:29:55
295 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:32:34
296 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:38:01
I think it was retaken because there were 4 Norwich players encroaching the area as the pen was taken and it was one of those who cleared the ball after the save
The biggest question should be how it was given as a penalty in the first place ?
We weren't given a penalty against Deli Alli because he said he was contacted by Mina causing his arm to go up. What was the difference in the Norwich game, exactly the same but a penalty given.
A fucking joke VAR
297 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:44:55
298 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:46:59
299 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:49:33
The covering Media sources, ie, Sky, Bein Sports all questioned it at the time and it was CLEARLY SHOWN on the various camera angles available to them.
However the VAR panel were unable to come to a decision and allowed the goal to stand, which after the game and Watford lost the chance of a point, they admitted that they had made a mistake!
It's an absolute joke!
300 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:49:50
Norwich are no mugs - said it before the game and got laughed at. The parity in the League is at the highest point I've ever personally witnessed.
301 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:51:53
VAR is a good thing. Seemingly only the English have no clue how to use it, and continually screw it up, no offense.
They need to define when it is used, and implement it consistently. The game needs it.
But as you say, it's presently an absolute joke.
302 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:57:23
David @272 everything seems reasonable to me but you lost me with Schneiderlin scoring 😂
303 Posted 01/12/2019 at 14:57:31
David Moyes did a great impersonation of ET! :-)
304 Posted 01/12/2019 at 15:14:17
305 Posted 01/12/2019 at 15:23:10
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