Ferguson in charge for Chelsea game
Everton have sacked Marco Silva as manager 18 months into his three-year contract following a dreadful run of form that has seen the club lose eight of their last 11 league matches.
The Portuguese was informed by Everton's owner Farhad Moshiri in a meeting at Finch Farm this afternoon that included board members Sasha Ryzantsev, Marcel Brands and Bill Kenwright and a talk with the first-team squad who were asked to remain behind after training.
First-team coach Duncan Ferguson has been put in charge in a caretaker capacity for Saturday's clash with Chelsea at Goodison Park while a club statement confirmed that Everton will look to appoint a new permanent manager as a quickly as possible.
Silva had been clinging to his role for the past few weeks, lurching from damaging defeat to brief periods of apparent stability but successive defeats to Norwich City, Leicester and Liverpool proved to be the last straw for the club's hierarchy who felt compelled to act.
Everton and their manager were booed off the field at Goodison at the end of the 2-0 reverse to the Canaries, the third time Silva's side had lost to a newly-promoted side without registering a goal this season, and, despite a promising showing against the Foxes, were humiliated by a weakened reds team in last night's Merseyside derby.
The results have left the club sitting in the relegation zone having lost nine of their opening 15 games of the Premier League campaign, a miserable return from what was, until this week, a relatively comfortable run of fixtures.
Duncan Ferguson has been placed in temporary charge of the first-team for Saturday's game against Chelsea
Silva was hired by Moshiri in May last year following a controversial pursuit that began while he was manager at Watford, the team he joined after narrowly failing to keep Hull City in the top flight in 2016. The Hornets' form nose-dived following the Toffees' initial approach in October 2017 and he was eventually fired the following January.
A compensation package was eventually worked out between the two clubs after Watford made an official complaint to the Premier League and explored legal channels to penalise Everton for “tapping up” their head coach.
The former Estoril and Olympiakos boss made an encouraging start to life with the Toffees but, in a portent of what was to come this term, his first season in charge derailed spectacularly following a particularly demoralising defeat in the Anfield derby where Jordan Pickford gifted Liverpool a stoppage-time winner.
The club went on a dreadful run of results that included humiliation at Millwall in the FA Cup fourth round last January but after taking stock during a 17-day break in February, Silva oversaw a hugely encouraging sequence that saw Everton finish the campaign with an impressive defensive record and a number of victories, particularly at Goodison Park over teams that finished in the top six.
Some promising summer transfer business, albeit somewhat undermined by the failure to sign a top-class defender after Kurt Zouma returned to Chelsea and a reliable goalscorer, offered hope that Silva could build on the recovery he had engineered at the back end of the 2018-19 campaign but the writing was on the wall with regard to his tenure following a poor start to his second season in charge.
He leaves the club having won just four league games this season to add to the 15 he managed in 2018-19 and an overall win percentage of 36%, lower than Ronald Koeman's 40% and Roberto Martinez's 38% and a shade below the 37% managed by Sam Allardyce.
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1 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:17:17
2 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:18:11
3 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:18:27
4 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:18:34
5 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:19:13
No Moyes under any circumstances.
6 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:20:43
7 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:21:08
8 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:21:29
9 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:21:42
The club will only move forward when we recruit a manager that can get the best out of the players.. league beaters one minute useless another... too many lows for too long...
10 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:21:52
11 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:22:25
12 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:22:28
13 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:22:32
14 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:22:49
15 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:23:44
16 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:24:32
Shambolic, this appointment has to be right. The structure of the decision making team reviewed and Brands has to take a good look at himself too although I'm certain Marco Silva was not his choice of manager.
17 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:24:52
18 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:25:07
Slowly but surely they run this once great club into the ground. Now the Moyesiah returns, hopefully to rescue us but knowing our luck dithering Dave will be the final nail in the coffin.
Right now, I fucking hate Everton FC. Only the long suffering fans keep me going.
19 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:25:56
Why is Moyes out of work?
20 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:26:08
If the team have to go back to basics, so do the board. Get rid of the Director of Football - its not working.
21 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:26:14
22 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:26:15
24 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:26:37
25 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:27:00
26 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:27:47
The whole thing from start to finish does not reflect well on the Club.
Firstly he was a failed manager when appointed and has continued in the same vein even though everyone was hoping he could improve us it was beyond his limited capabilities.
Why he was given a 3 year deal was a mystery when Emery who was, on paper, a better manager, at a similar time was given a 2 year deal at Arsenal.
Sad to see anyone lose their job but he leaves millions of pounds richer so no sympathy there.
I hope the players are reflecting on their part in this.
Full concentration now from everyone to get us out of the horrendous position we find ourselves in.
NOBODY is bigger than the Club
27 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:27:55
Never asked him if he wanted to leave Everton because he had already allowed himself yo be touted up. Shit on us.
28 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:28:28
29 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:28:55
30 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:29:21
31 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:30:30
Just hope Everton find their identity quickly. All the money we have spent recently, and we've gone backward.
32 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:31:14
Nice one. Mega!
So he gets in at 8am. Spends all day packing before Mosh turns up to ask for the keys. Nicely drawn out.
Whoever is next, just support them.
Coyb (l mean Mega)
33 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:31:40
34 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:31:43
If we can't get Rafa then it needs to be someone who knows the Premier League. I actually wanted Rodgers.
35 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:32:20
36 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:33:22
37 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:33:37
38 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:33:55
Please at least whoever we appoint, Make it so that when they walk in the door at FF the fans will be looking UP the table with excitement, as opposed to settling for 4th from bottom which is what they will get with either Laurel (Moyes) or Hardy (Benitez)
Onwards and more importantly UPWARDS, Progressive appointments only to be considered
39 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:34:10
40 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:34:29
Feel sorry for the bloke but he was never fir for the job in the first place.
If we have learned any lessons and have any ambition we will go for the likes of Ancellotti, Simeone, Marcelino, Ten Hag.
Surely the job will appeal to someone of that ilk.
41 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:34:56
42 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:34:56
Moyes would be a weird appointment for Brands. A bit like Newcastle dusting off Kevin Keegan, or Villa getting John Gregory back from India. Or anyone hiring Steve McLaren. I keep feeling like saying we should give Alan Pardew a chance, just for a joke. I guess be careful what you joke about.
43 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:35:42
44 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:36:42
Hand on heart who here had us in the top six at Xmas? Did anyone believe we would be right here, right now?
I thought we'd be disappointing. I had us at around tenth spot for boxing day. Even now it's only two wins and relying on everyone above us to not get any points either folks! MEGA! MEGA!!
Simon we're massively short of options to put it mildly. Would you rather Kenwright in the dugout on Saturday? Brands even? Has to be Rhino.....surely?
45 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:36:49
46 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:36:59
47 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:37:46
48 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:38:04
Not a minute too soon, I'm afraid.
Unsworth will probably be in charge against Chelski. And then, we'll see...
49 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:39:10
They wait until we get mauled in 2 games until we are desperate then hope that the relegation place we are holding will sway us into swallowing the poison.
I have been ultra critical of Brands on here but I now feel sorry for him as he has clearly been sidestepped in this process as there can be no way his paws are over this one.
I'm sick to the teeth
50 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:39:14
51 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:39:49
So a safe pair of hands who could win actually win something?! Umm...It's pretty obvious really. We appoint Rafa Benitez!!
52 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:40:04
53 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:41:27
54 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:41:28
55 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:41:34
56 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:42:09
57 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:42:12
58 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:42:49
59 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:43:19
60 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:43:30
61 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:44:19
He saw through our former boss quicker than many.
62 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:44:23
63 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:44:44
64 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:45:07
"Everton Football Club can confirm that manager Marco Silva has left the Club.
Majority Shareholder Farhad Moshiri, Chairman Bill Kenwright and the Board of Directors would like to thank Marco for his service over the last 18 months and wish him well for the future.
Duncan Ferguson has taken temporary charge of the first team and will manage the side for the game against Chelsea on Saturday.
The Club aims to confirm a new permanent manager as swiftly as possible."
Two interesting takes:
1) DF as Everton temporary manager!
2) that a permanent manager will be confirmed asap
65 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:45:16
66 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:45:19
It's only a shame they can't rip up the contracts of half of those halfwits on the field last night that showed no passion or courage.
The board are not covering themselves in glory with this in my opinion. 3 points from 12th is not a catastrophe. Our last 2 Full time managers (Excluding fireman Sam) are not doing too badly; which shows its not all to do with the Manager. Brands should be worried as he let Silva down badly in the summer.
All the Best Marco; made some mistakes by keeping faith with some of the squad who didn't deserve it and are still at finch farm, like a virus.
67 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:45:25
68 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:45:37
Gutted it didn't work out for Marco was hoping he'd be the 1 to have us playing good and challenging again.
Happy because the fixtures we had we should be much higher up the league, getting beat 2-0 to all the promoted teams in unacceptable in itself.
Don't really want Moyes, but not totally against the idea either.
The last season Moyes was here was our best for a long time, the team was playing fantastic.
Dont forget he didnt really shit on us that bad, he done 10 years, honoured his contract and left because united come calling, cant really blame him when he was given a packet of KP peanuts and a bag of pork scratching to spend each summer, he done an excellent job.
1 thing is for sure, he'll have that defence sorted out no problem. He was just never the best getting the attack as good though.
Hopefully Moshiri has got a nice christmas cracker lined up for manager though and Moyes is just a smoke screen
69 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:46:17
70 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:46:55
Unfortunately it hasn't worked out with you at EFC.
We are too hungry for success and we need immediate results to calm our yearning.
We are a big club that has fallen by the wayside and has stayed down far too long. We need to get back up there again
We need a "nastier" manager, maybe.
71 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:46:55
Exactly. Did something happent this afternoon to suddenly swing the pedulum? I doubt it. In which case, why waste everyone's time haveing Silva waste one of our two training days planning for a game he won't even be involved in. What's that logic that he would be OK with being sacked as long as Moshiri came down in person, as opposed to say being told not to take training (e.g. giving the game away) and waiting a couple of hours for Mosh to come in person and formalize it?
72 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:47:18
73 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:47:20
74 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:47:43
75 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:47:53
You have to admit it is better than Olympic bronze for kecks shittery, like we had from our recently departed Manager.
Drunken Ferguson in temporary charge, roll on the drums, then a major announcement soonish!
76 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:48:16
77 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:48:36
78 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:48:55
79 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:49:03
And no sign of Moyes.
It will be interesting to see what if anything different transpires with Big Dunc in charge for Saturday...
But I can't tell you without swearing heavily how fucking overjoyed I am it's not that horrible dour traitorous massively overrated ginger twat Moyes.
80 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:49:10
81 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:49:37
82 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:49:42
83 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:49:43
84 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:49:47
85 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:49:58
86 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:50:18
Now, if David Moyes is appointed, I'm done. I'm dead serious. No other Club in world football would hire him. Failure at Man U, failure in Europe / Spanish league, relegated a great club in Sunderland? No one, I repeat no one, would hire this man. If we do that, we show ZERO ambition.
I will read TW and I will check the scores. But instead of posting all the time, bantering away on the live forum, etc., my valuable time will be spent elsewhere while this Club gets their act together.
Hiring David Moyes is simply an embarrassing move for a Club. It makes muppets of all the loyal supporters - even us bastardized internet far-flung freaks. I'd have zero problems with anyone who boycotts the games who lives locally, and I know for a fact my already sky-high respect for Rob Halligan will increase to god-like status, as that man wouldn't miss a game come hell or high water.
87 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:50:20
88 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:50:31
89 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:50:32
90 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:51:53
91 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:51:53
92 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:52:00
93 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:52:05
94 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:52:17
95 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:52:41
Thrilled! Not because of Dunc leading the boys, but because that means hopefully no David Fucking Moyes!!!
96 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:52:42
97 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:53:08
Re the next few days/weeks, remember William Goldman's words..
"Nobody knows anything"
Definitely applies to choosing football managers as well as which movies to finance/produce.
See Jaws and/or Heaven's Gate.
(see Greece sack Ranieri after losing to The Faroe Islands, Leicester employ Ranieri, Leicester win PM)
Nobody (nb: you, me) knows anything.
98 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:53:19
99 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:53:32
I agree with your general point on Moyes btw.
Appointing DF as temporary manager at least gives us a measure of home support on Saturday. Stranger things have happened than the Goodison roar getting us a result - particularly as the new gaffer has done prison time for assaulting a footballer no less.
Let's turn over chelsea and maybe even save christmas.
100 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:53:33
101 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:53:51
Hilarious. He indeed must lead the line.
102 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:54:21
103 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:54:25
Fuck it, the shit show can't be any worse than we've seen all season.
104 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:54:28
As I said earlier - Moyes (or A.N.Other) interim 'til the end of the season with bonuses/options ok for me. If we could land our hero choice (...insert name) before the end of the season, pay the interim off and get the new guy in asap.
Madness to agree long term contracts in the knowledge they will not be fulfilled. They have to be earned (although I realise football doesn't really operate like that.)
105 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:54:31
106 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:54:46
107 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:54:47
108 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:55:02
after being constipated for 12 months!
109 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:56:00
110 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:57:26
Surely there's legs in that rumo(u)r?
Eugene Ruane @97, we do know one thing:
David Moyes would be a disaster. I have my crystal ball, read my tea leaves, checked the stars, prayed to Buddha, and it all lines up.
Trust me. 😈
111 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:58:21
Steve Ferns #69 That message made me laugh. I'd almost forgotten about how much Andy Crooks dislikes Big Dunc
112 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:58:30
113 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:58:53
Let's get behind Big Dunc and get 3 points this weekend.
114 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:59:17
Brands must have someone lined up to take the reins. Hoping for someone everyone can get behind now that Widow Twanky Bill and Wishy Washy Farhad have finally taken a long overdue decision this pantomime season.
In the meantime let's all give Duncan a shout on Saturday and get three precious home points on the board.
115 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:59:39
116 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:00:22
117 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:00:29
Sadly now we do actually need a more Allardyce-style manager. We didn't when we got shot of Koeman... but we shat ourselves. So this time it will be Moyes. God, I hope not. It'll be a disaster. He would be a nightmare with anyone with flair... he showed himself not to trust youth... so we'd end up with an even more perfect relegation storm. A manager who's lost his stock, with Richarlison, Bernard, Sigurdsson, Moise Kean, Mina, Gomes (when back) and Pickford all wanting gone ASAP. DCL clapping as he chases an over hit long ball down a channel from vice captain Keane (Baines being club captain). Shoot me now.
118 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:00:43
Happy to be proved wrong but why not give it to Unsie on a temp.
119 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:00:48
Wouldn't mind his take.
120 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:01:11
121 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:02:12
122 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:02:19
bye Marco and I am not being mean but I hope your pay-off is minimal.
Hope we get the next appointment right.
123 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:02:42
Good luck Dunc, I have no idea what to expect but please be a good surprise, at least get the team looking as if most of them give a toss beyond Digne and Richarlison.
124 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:02:58
On the one hand, as DoF Brands surely, as he does with every player position, has a list of alternative managers to draft in if needed.
Possibly the delay in sacking Silva earlier was due to ill-preparedness of this crisis and the non-existence of such a list, or names on the list either not being interested when approached, or interested but not immediately available.
That the immediately available David Moyes has not already been announced as the new 'permanent' manager is encouraging on two levels:
1) that it isn't David Moyes!
2) that Moshiri and Brands are not looking at an Allardyce-like caretaker appointment to the end of this season only, but taking the bolder step - as Spurs did - of making a long-term appointment NOW.
The spectre of a Moyes return is still not 100% ruled out, but for the time being it is at least diminished.
I'll cling on to that for the time being.
125 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:03:02
126 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:03:29
127 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:04:14
128 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:04:31
129 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:06:25
130 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:06:27
Give it the full hair dryer and lets rip them a new one
131 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:06:55
It'll remind him of his attempted jail breaks when he was in Barlinnie.
Hopefully he'll show a bit more emotion than he's shown sitting on his arse on the bench the last few years.
With a bit of luck he'll chin anyone who doesn't give 100%
132 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:07:14
133 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:07:18
I just hope that Brands gets on a plane to Argentina and brings back Gallardo and Palacious.
134 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:07:54
135 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:09:06
136 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:09:51
He's untouchable isn't he?
He's been a 'Coach' under 3 ( or is it 4) other 'failed managers WTF is going on.
Can anyone please explain what his role was and what he does and whether he is successful at it?
137 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:10:11
I doubt that personally.
138 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:10:55
139 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:11:17
Tony, resign and sue for constructive dismissal. Kenwright would not be letting him do his job.
140 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:11:18
141 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:11:48
142 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:12:05
As for Brands I cant fathom what he brings to the table.
143 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:12:19
144 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:12:46
As Eugene Ruane points out, though,, none of us has the faintest.
145 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:12:49
146 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:13:27
Let just say its a game hed like to win (if it happens).
147 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:13:29
148 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:13:35
149 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:14:53
150 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:15:35
How sad is that?
Have we dropped so far ?
151 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:15:49
Fergusson and Moyes are all we hear about as the future although we all know they are creatures of the past !
152 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:15:53
Martin @ 138 -
No one isn't saying we aren't a shit-show presently. I think, and I speak only for myself but conjecture and all that, people are just so giddy it's NOT Moyes, there's an air of optimism.
No matter how faint, you cling to it.
153 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:15:57
154 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:17:05
Unless he is buisy elsewhere buying a new pair of kecks.
155 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:17:59
I can think of three to four million reasons per annum that statement is false.
156 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:18:09
Next Everton manager from SportNation.bet
David Moyes: 4/5
Eddie Howe: 2/1
Rafa Benitez: 10/1
Mikel Arteta: 10/1
Mark Hughes: 10/1
Mauricio Pochettino: 16/1
Chris Wilder: 20/1
David Unsworth: 25/1
Phil Neville: 33/1
A few undesirables in this list but 16/1 seems good odds to me if you wanted to take a punt.
157 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:18:26
158 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:18:44
I've wanted Marcelino at Everton since his days at Villarreal. For those wondering about his style, the most simple way to put it is it's somewhat akin to Someone, which has made me opine for a while that he's the Spanish manager who would likely most easily adapt to the Prem.
Marcelino knows how to get the best from his attacking players, but, importantly, he also priorities defensive solidity and tracking back as a unit. That makes his teams hard to break down while offering the threat of quick and ruthless counters.
I think more than being a journeyman, his record suggests steady progress over the years and demonstrates that he's learned and adapted accordingly. For those weary of his taking over under this board, it's important to know that the Valencia board has also for years been shambolic under Peter Lim, yet Marcelino went in, steadied the ship, got them into the Champion League, and won a cup on the first time of asking. Would he be a gamble? Yes, as would anyone. Would he be a Messiah? I can't promise that. But I do think he would at the very least be a steady hand, which we desperately need right now.
159 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:19:49
160 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:19:59
161 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:21:11
162 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:21:20
But, he had to go.
Take some time and please God get 'the one' that turns this supertanker of shite around.
Who that guy is, I have no more idea than Moshiri.
163 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:21:21
164 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:21:37
165 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:21:38
- Gallardo (probably not)
- Benitez (reasonable chance)
- Arteta (probs bit too soon)
- Jesus (probably a bit too late - but may wants to resurrect a career in Europe)
- Marcelino (probably would have the job by now already if he wanted it or we wanted him)
- my favourite Bruno Genesio, who doesn't yet make the betting odds
I kind of want Dyche but he's wrong for the DoF model, wrong for the squad and has a disc beard, as those who listen to Athletico Mince will know.
166 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:22:03
I'm sure Silva didn't fail deliberately to make you look or sound stupid. Which is what you're doing right here right now.
167 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:23:00
God help anyone who steps out of line, or doesnt give 100%.
Hes got blue blood.
I dont think Moyes is prepared to take the job on an interim basis.
Although we need to get away from the bottom 3, I dont get the feeling that the next manager will be a panic appointment.
Time for Brands to step up and earn his perceived reputation.
168 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:23:03
169 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:23:09
170 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:23:22
171 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:24:11
Alternatively, installing Dunc as interim could be a bargaining chip - if a prospective manager tries to take us for a ride on salary (when have we ever been taken for a ride?!), we'll just suggest we'll give the job to Dunc.
172 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:24:24
Good news, actually great news. Duncan is a blue and above all else he will have the crowd going before the game against Chelsea. If Goodison starts rocking then the players will respond.
173 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:24:36
All the best to Silva. As others have stated he seemed a nice guy just a little out of his depth. He shall get another job soon just not in the Premier League.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO to MOYES!
If it was him then it would have been announced as he has not worked since 2018 at West Ham.
174 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:25:18
Yes hes been absolutely brilliant at coaching the forwards
What a waste of space
Why is he still there ?
175 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:27:18
Big Dunc caretaker. Spot on... Beat Chelsea on Saturday... We'll see.
FFS, let's have a slice of good luck please – we are due some. COYB
176 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:27:40
Shhhhhh. Don't ruin it. Quiet now.
177 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:28:04
178 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:28:28
179 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:29:55
I blame the players (some of whom have seen off four managers now)
Anyway, lets see what the spineless bastards can do now under the next manager.
180 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:30:17
You could have Klopp, pep, arsene and sir Alex and it would still be a disaster
Everton is the worst run club in the division albeit with the most loyal fans
181 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:30:28
Not gonna happen, but a guy can dream.
182 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:30:36
183 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:31:41
184 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:31:55
In any case, Brands should go, along with his role as DoF. It isn't working. It rarely works well.
I want the new manager to manage the squad.
185 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:32:05
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188 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:32:47
189 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:33:24
190 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:34:00
There is no doubt Ajax are a successful club but I think Everton for all our problems would still be a step up and the chance to manage an historic, and still big club in the PL could be a big draw. Especially if we throw in a decent transfer kitty. He'd be the guy I would go for.
In the mean time best of luck to Dunc. He's going to need it. Hopefully the players will try a lot harder for him than they did for Silva or they may find a size 15 boot where the sun don't shine.
191 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:34:21
192 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:34:32
Shitbags the lot who work for the club.
193 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:35:24
194 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:35:38
195 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:37:11
196 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:37:12
Normally I'd agree with you.
But given the circumstances, the Old Lady might be a bit more raucous than usual for a lunch time KO.
As an earlier poster pointed out, if nothing else, the crowd need to make it very, VERY clear:
'Anybody but Moyes.'
197 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:37:55
If we get Ten Hag, I sincerely believe he would transform the side into a Top 4 contender.
And anyone who's watched Ajax play and doesn't enjoy it is probably a miserable person. The brand of football is wonderful.
It's a pipe dream probably, but oh my word I'd be over the moon if it happened.
198 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:37:55
199 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:38:07
We sell Gueye, a Premier League midfielder and are left with Championship midfielders.
Who really is pulling the strings? No loyalty, no passion, no commitment. I think the players need to take a good look at themselves, they are letting the club down not just the poor scapegoat in the dugout.
I don't care who we get as long as they can pull 22 individuals together to start working as a team... Joe Royle's dogs of war mentality is needed this season.
200 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:38:52
201 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:38:52
202 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:38:56
203 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:39:52
204 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:40:08
What now, if we could get a squad together that were of true top 6 quality players we might stand a chance. We cant though can we, if they were of that quality they wouldn't be at Goodison.
We need to stop kidding ourselves and stop looking at the players through blue tinted glasses.
That's another manager gone, as I've said before that's the current Belgium and Dutch managers who seem to be doing perfectly ok since leaving us, an ex England manager who got us up the table, and Unsworth who couldn't get a tune out of the players we had.
Now we've sacked Silva who was doing well at the end of last season, but guess what, we sell our best player and then don't replace our best defender.
Its become an embarrassing farce.
205 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:40:20
206 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:40:23
Seriously, it's making the best of an atrocious situation, that in true Everton fashion has not been foreseen or managed. There is no sign of Everton actually having a candidate or two in mind. Have Arteta and Howe been sounded out and said no way?
We don't know and possibly never will, but at one of the busiest times of the season we are in limbo. Whoever is actually running the show Moshiri? Brands? Kenwright (God forbid)? needs to sort out this chaos very quickly before we are in the Championship.
207 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:41:51
You're a good person.
I don't think many are wishing Marco ill-will. Most will wish him well.
His tactics, selections, and in-game decisions did him in, in the end.
Look at it this way. It is indeed a sad day, all things considered. But Marco was given every single opportunity and the (too much?!) time to prove himself. He was employed by a Club that clearly doesn't favor the merry-go-round, and one that is definably fair to their manager; giving them every opportunity to succeed and win over the fans.
In the end, he had to go.
208 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:41:53
209 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:42:39
210 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:45:05
211 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:45:23
Another manager, another transition. More players coming and going because they werent their signings.
We are now potentially going to have a squad built under 5 different managers. Madness.
212 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:46:07
It had to be Duncan as temporary head coach.
213 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:46:12
214 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:46:49
215 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:47:52
Listened to Alan Meyers talking sense about Ferguson, saying how hes matured and how much passion he has got for Everton, and hopefully he can do a good job in desperate circumstances.
Sad for Silva, who has definitely been let down by Brands this summer, but like Meyers said, Everton is different, and I personally think Marcos sulking, and his refusal to try and make the most of what he had, instead of going with same old, same old, has also played a massive part in his dismissal?
Silva should have gone after the Norwich game, so the appointment of Ferguson still really worries me, because Duncan was available then, and Marco was definitely already finished after that debacle, but its one game at a time for a club in our position, so good luck on Saturday Duncan lad!
216 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:48:49
217 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:49:00
218 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:50:49
219 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:50:57
That being said, Ive personally got no idea who Id go for if it was my call.
220 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:50:58
That being said, Ive personally got no idea who Id go for if it was my call.
221 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:51:01
222 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:51:22
If they offered me the job I'd fucking take it in a flash. I think that should be enough for us to at least get behind the bloke.
223 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:51:37
Duncan is obviously not the long term answer but we need to get behind him and the team to try and get some points.
Our fans also need to get the message out to the Board that we don't want Moyes back ever
224 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:51:40
225 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:51:47
226 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:52:36
Shame on the owner and board.
227 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:52:44
I can't imagine him ever having a flowing conversation with Silva given the scottish accent and Silvas mumbling English?
Now we have a man that will at least have a good section of the crowd with him and instill some passion into the stadium, all around.
Well said Karen. Great post.
228 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:53:12
229 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:53:16
As for Moyes' career post Everton I think he has only been sacked twice at Utd and Real Soc. Both the Sunderland and West Ham jobs were on short term contracts where the clubs declined to take up the option of making the jobs permanent. Utd was always going to be a difficult job as events have proved. Sunderland was a very sick club and consecutive relegation confirmed this. and just look at the state of West Ham!
230 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:53:39
231 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:54:22
232 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:54:50
It will be interesting to see who else is on the coaching bench on Saturday.
233 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:56:13
234 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:56:41
Or maybe they offered interim to Unsie first, who declined. "You didn't think I was good enough last time..."
235 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:56:47
Think he'd take the Arsenal gig but probably not ours to be honest. He's better off with the massive wedge in china, the adulation of the fans and giving Rafa a lesson on how to manage a team.
236 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:58:12
237 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:58:14
DF could turn out to be a huge revelation and one of the most successful managers of all time.
Alternatively, he could turn out to be awful.
Only time will tell and, to be fair to him, he has to be allowed several games to try to begin to put right what has been so wrong at the club for at least 18 months.
238 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:58:20
239 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:58:28
240 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:59:13
241 Posted 05/12/2019 at 20:59:24
I assume most of the people moaning about him on this site never witnessed the sheer presence he brought to the team. I know he's not the best forward we've ever seen, but I'll challenge anyone to find one with a bigger blue heart.
242 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:00:22
Poor timing. If we lost 1-0 last night would he have gone, 0-0?
Obviously he wasn't good enough but a little unlucky with injuries but players are playing below their standard either because they don't undersrand, don't care, don't want to work for him.
Never wanted, won't miss him (unless a 'Sam anti-football' comes in) but why now? I'd have got rid last month or given him a month.
Moshiri doesn't get it. He wont have a manager lined up and we're left in limbo through a tough, busy period. I'm surprised Unsy wasn't given it to be honest. He's at least got more experience of managing.
Sadly like every other manager in sure Schnides will be back in the starting line up. Good bloody luck Dunc, you'll need it.
243 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:01:02
245 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:03:18
I have little doubt that Marco Silva will be back in Management soon...………………………………………probably McDonalds!
Does anyone know the severance package for Marco, or was it by mutual consent with a sweetener to help him to the Airport?
246 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:03:39
247 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:05:04
248 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:07:07
Coleman Holgate Mina Digne
Siggy Davies Bernard
Christmas tree formation, 'tis the season. 80% of our attack down the left.
Everton 6, Chelsea 1. Dunc is carried off the field. Kean hat trick.
249 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:07:25
250 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:07:49
We all needed putting out of our misery, Marco included.
Unless it turns out that Marco has someone ready, then it has to be an interim appointment and Notes would be as good as anybody. We need a pragmatist right now.
Then it's down to Marcel. He doesn't have any kind of excuse for failing next time. When the players and the coach are selected under his watch - he's accountable.
251 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:08:12
252 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:08:22
253 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:08:35
254 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:08:52
Currently needs to be able to steer a 'big club ' from relegation.
Initially needs to be able to set a team up to be hard to beat and organised.
Ideally with plenty of experience of premier league football.
Even better if he's a 'winner'. As in won trophies with big clubs in different European leagues.
Only one possible solution .
255 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:09:15
I want Gary Megson!!!
256 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:09:59
257 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:10:03
Its true Everton have spent loads of money during Silvas short reign, but he was definitely sold short in key positions, and this might be a worry for any serious minded manager, Everton, might be interested in, because its definitely the first question I would ask the Everton board, if I was a manager and the club was showing an interest in me!
258 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:10:16
259 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:12:08
Lets hope Zouma has a stinker.
I know you will remember this one Steve for all the negative bores already having a go at Ferguson.
He worked as Striker coach under Koeman right? And Lukaku, who had a great season, often commented that Duncan put on some really good drills in training.
The hate and negative comments already make me fume. This is a man that is actually hungry for the job and was bred into becoming as passionate an ex player now supporter you will get and may just be a very good coach for all we know?
260 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:12:37
261 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:12:53
*Silva should have gone long before now.
* Like Spurs we should have had a top manager lined up immediately.
* Taken aback at Ferguson being put in charge.
He seems completely disillusioned & very concerned at the way the club is being run.
I wish big Dunc all the best & hopefully we can get 3 points at the weekend but very worrying times for all Evertonians.
262 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:13:11
263 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:13:19
264 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:13:28
265 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:13:33
266 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:13:58
Been there, done that, got the Tee-shirt.
267 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:14:26
268 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:15:12
Jamie took the words right out my mouth - I agree with you and like how you said it. I too, hoped he could get some breaks. He didn't.
I just can't come up with a valid excuse for numerous, bizarre, in-game (in-)decisions.
I wish him well. In time, I hope I remember him more for the run at the end of last season than the darker times, but he wasn't good enough for the task in front of him.
269 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:15:29
270 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:15:57
271 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:16:33
I hope our fans wish Silva well, but it's not the vibe I'm picking up from many of the posts.
I would not like to think that us Blues fans have ended up like the most hated fans on the planet, from across the park. Bitter & vitriolic. Especially to a manager who worked hard & did his best. As I say, while he may not have measured up to fans expectations, he deserves to leave with dignity. We should also all be careful what we wish for. Many wished for his departure, but with no clear idea of who should step into what is fast becoming a poison chalice.
I wish big Dunc all the best for his games in charge. Let the Grand Ol' Lady rock on Saturday. He'll need it. The players need it to give them confidence, and the fans need it to lift our spirits.
272 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:18:30
Silva seemed like an affable guy and had charm, but he was out of his depth at Everton and was a huge gamble that never paid off. Hopefully Moshiri now realises just how hard it is to pick a successful manager and will leave the decision to others more qualified.
273 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:18:55
Whatever I think or have said about Duncan Ferguson, I wish him all the luck in the world on Saturday. I would guess the place will be rocking. What's knows what might happen.
274 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:19:18
Cheers for the Tip lad I will head straight down to the bookies ;)
275 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:19:40
276 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:20:52
277 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:26:18
278 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:29:27
279 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:30:12
A lot on here could see he was a bad appointment from the off.. people are right to criticise his lack of ability. It was laid bare for all to see.
It's not as if hes huddling around a barrel fire on a picket line ffs.. the man is minted for life for failing abysmally. He deserves no sympathy whatsoever.. or malice for that matter... just plain, cold facts.
As for the appointment of Duncan..good on him.. at least it means I get to watch Everton for at least one more time. Because if Moyes comes back, that's it for me.
280 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:31:34
Coleman Keane holgate Digne
Walcott Sigurdsson Richarlison
Assuming Delph is fit. Cant see him playing Schneiderlin after their past issue.
281 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:31:55
Also some of the performances he put in after major operations make him a winner to me.
Tim Cahill got no medals and I think he is a winner too. The same mentality from 10 others and talented team mates get you medals.
282 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:33:06
283 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:34:22
284 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:34:25
285 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:35:35
286 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:36:03
287 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:36:14
288 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:38:07
289 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:38:10
290 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:38:12
291 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:38:54
I have been an Evertonian for over seventy years. I saw them relegated. I dislike what is happening just as much as any supporter in the world. I am relieved that Silva has gone. I wish the very best for anyone who takes over, but whatever happens I will always be delighted to be an Evertonian. Get right behind team. True loyalty is measured by being tough when times are also tough.Just STOP feeling sorry for yourself!!!
292 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:39:07
Slaven Billic left West Ham in such a state of ill discipline they turned to Moyes to steady the ship
293 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:39:34
With the ginger one not wishing to take over until after the Manu game, he's asked the big man to hold the fort until after that 'embarrassing fixture' is out of the way.
Brands will be the next to go as Davey demands total control with 'softead'Kenwright back as his ' consigliere'. Now we are going places . …………….
294 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:39:58
295 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:40:10
If this,my once great club is happy to make this appointment,then it shows everybody,including future potential managers,how much of a basket case we are.
I am embarrassed by this, as i'm sure lots of Evertonians are.All day waiting for this,ridiculous.
Ambition seems to have been a prerequisite by lots of posters on lots of threads recently,and this is the best Everton can up with,really?
Unless the powers that be have a fucking big rabbit to pull from a very small hat. No?, me neither,embarrising.
296 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:40:32
Duncan may not be everyones choice for interim manager but he might surprise us. No one knows how good a coach he is or how good or bad he may be as manager but lets give the man a chance and get behind the team.
As for all this stuff about “if Moyes comes then Im through with the club”- words ( almost ) fail me. He did a damn good job for us with no money and I would back him to dig us out of trouble. Not a long term prospect and I would not be overjoyed to see him back but nothing and no one will ever make me stop supporting the club I fell for back in 1963- the club means more than any individual or set of individuals and if decisions are made which we dont like then voice an objection then cut through the crap and get back to the basics of showing support. If he does come back and wins a trophy would everyone refuse to celebrate the success because of a few ill considered,immature and devious words and actions at a time when he was no doubt trying to ingratiate himself with his new club?
I hope its someone else but whether its Duncan,Moyes,Benitez or whoever they will have my total support.
297 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:40:35
I shit you not when I say he was more interested in his pigeons than football and EFC.
He became bankrupt ( on a footballers salary???? What does that say about his judgement)
Look, for the sake of EFC I want him to be a success, will the players give more for him than Silva?
298 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:41:13
Bilic would of been in my top 3 picks... thats if we are talking long term as l dont want any manager thats currently employed. All the shit, the expense and generally it shouldnt be allowed... till the end of the season.
299 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:42:18
300 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:42:48
The early kick-off covered by BT 1 and Bein 11 HD, could just generate a decent atmosphere which has been a bit dull recently under Silva.
301 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:44:17
302 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:45:01
303 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:45:10
Sky reporting that we are chasing Vitor Pereira - whos he?
304 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:45:54
305 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:48:04
Im not a fan of Ferguson at all. But theres positives Im not going to deny. And it is a shrewder move in the short term than Unsworth as he is ready to go.
Another big one is Duncan is no shrinking violet and can sort out the rifts in the dressing room. Anyone not putting a shift in will be told so. I hope just not overly so.
Hes also not afraid of the big personalities and hopefully he can put them in their place. Which is why I think he will go with British where he can (ie those good enough to be in the equation).
306 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:48:20
307 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:48:39
308 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:49:39
Edit: sorry silva replaced him.
309 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:51:51
310 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:52:38
311 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:52:42
312 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:52:48
Can't believe some of the comments slagging him off before his first game. I hope he does well because his Everton supporting children will be watching.
So happy Silva has gone. Such relief.
100% behind Duncan for Saturday.
I feel like an Evertonian again... COYB.
313 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:52:49
We had a good run at the end of last season beating top teams in good style (mostly at home but I think of WH away) that we celebrated, but I sense too many fans couldnt wait to jump on Marco as they didnt want him in the first place.
Far too many people couldnt wait to turn toxic very quickly and that has made Goodison far from home this season, myself included.
Teams arent made in 12/18 months, I do wonder what we want and more importantly how we get there without more support and patience?
314 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:53:11
315 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:53:28
316 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:55:18
317 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:56:48
My post said it was a sad day because our club had to sack yet another Manager. Which means we have to start all over again. Not a sad day for Silva himself. My post asks that we let Silva leave with dignity, not sympathy. They are not the same thing.
So matey, get your facts straight before you come wading in with your size 60 boots to attack other posters opinions.
318 Posted 05/12/2019 at 21:59:28
Im not saying potter should be appointed. But hes one to watch. A very interesting English manager, with foreign experience, and fresh ideas. Id be very interested to see how Brighton do by the end of the season.
319 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:00:27
Basic message Silva was hard done by - inherited a huge bunch of slow, less than average performers, slow defenders, slow overcomplicated transition midfielders and poor finishers. He has recruited well with Digne, Richarlison and Gomes, but Mina, Iwobi, Delph are again bang average players. Kean is a totally unknown.
Silva's football style, built on the Klopp, Guardiola models of needing high press, quick transition is totally impossible with the squad we have. We have good stats in we restrict teams to a small number of shots, we develop high number of attacking potential. But due to slow defenders caught out with through balls, and poor finishers and slow transistion midfield players then we end up where we belong. Its a complete mess. a system with players who just cant perform to that system. Strange message - Pickford isn't as good as made out, concedes far too many goals for small number of shots and doesn't command his box at all. Jewel in the crown Richarlison !!!
Silva's fault yes, you should develop a playing style which suit what you've got, which with the squad we have is should be a back 5, a midfield 4 with 2 sitting in, 1 attacker and as at Leicester keep it tight, try and snatch a goal. BUT don't give the ball away so cheaply as we do.
Put it all together and hey ho - bye bye Marco. Who's next to manage this below average bunch of players
320 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:02:11
321 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:02:49
322 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:03:09
323 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:04:31
324 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:05:00
325 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:06:19
Your post is littered with supposition and guesses (he gave it his all.. dedicated etc blah).. its also replete with sympathy, despite your protestations.
I fundamentally disagree with your suggestion that he deserves our best wishes.. he doesn't. He deserved sacked. Theres too much mawkish crap at this club and we are worse off for it.
That's my opinion.. and attack it if you feel like it. That's what it's there for.
326 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:06:21
Duncan Ferguson was a First Team Coach under Silva, Marginez Allardyce & Koeman... ALL sacked.
I would be grateful if you could tell us what he would bring as Manager that he hasn't as First Team Coach and what the players will do differently for him now that he's the Manager and no longer their Coach?
327 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:08:05
The high defensive line vs Liverpool was an utter shambles, they had so much space to use. Probably a Silva cock up, unless Sidibe decided he was best suited to an attacking role, leaving Mane with the freedom of the park.
328 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:08:46
Anyway tonight's games have pushed Brighton and Newcastle away from us. Just hope there's a Big Dunc Bounce on Saturday
329 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:09:11
330 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:10:54
331 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:11:02
Feel sorry more silva, but he just could not adapt his play style to suit what he had available.
Dont care who we get (within reason) just as long as we get out of bottom 3 and they have some passion. If thats a Moyes then so be it. We have years of rebuilding ahead of us and no top manager is going to come anywhere near us.
Build the stadium and get stability back then dare to dream. Alternatively we can sit in the championship and claim we are a big club.
Sad times but some realism needs to come now followed by stability
332 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:11:04
333 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:11:08
334 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:11:28
This must infer that Marcel Brands hasn't succeeded and is on borrowed time.
Which in turn surely must mean that Denise Barret-Baxendale is accountable.
Except that, DBB doesn't even know who Neville Southall is. So, how in hell can she provide Executive Direction to MB or MS for that matter ?
Ahhhhh, because Widow Twanky calls her "Little Miss Dynamite". And thereby we solve the Everton conundrum.
BK belongs in the era of Doug Ellis, Peter Swayles, Bob Lord and Jack Walker. The erea of "pounds, shillings and pence", not the era of BILLIONS.
Get shut of Widow Twanky and DBB. Bring in Nicola Cortese who turned Southampton around with full support of Markus Liebherr.
Nicola Cortese Link
He is the man that Everton need, and fast !
335 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:11:56
Anyway, that doesnt matter. Silva is gone. I hope its all him. I really do. Then we fly up the league and get back in the race for the top 6.
Arsenal, Spurs and Man Utd are not out of sight if we can be free of the mistakes.
336 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:13:29
337 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:14:12
338 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:16:16
We are still in two cups this season, what we want is SILVERWARE.
The league rebuild is a different matter. Ask Joe Royle.
339 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:16:22
340 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:17:59
341 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:19:13
342 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:19:24
I would definitely have to break the spell for the last game at Goodison, but even then I wouldnt go in, if it meant our winning spell would come to an end, an that is how much I genuinely love my team, and why Im so desperate for our younger loyal fans to have a little taste of success.
343 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:19:43
Tony 342 i get that too mate. I always think of the youngsters and how the other lot are leaving us for dead on this FFP era.
344 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:22:16
345 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:24:21
346 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:24:41
Silva was a Moshiri appointment; he can't very well blame Brands for that.
347 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:26:20
We have lost far too many points against the poor teams already.
No confidence in the directors whatsoever.
They better not go for Moyes.
348 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:29:26
The fact they are even talking about the idea of Periera, I mean why just why?
Its just Marco mark 2 isnt it?
Madcap the lot of them.
349 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:29:55
Everything to play for the next few games
350 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:31:14
351 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:32:36
352 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:32:53
353 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:34:48
Thanks Mike@319, wasnt having a go with my question, just further confirmation, that football is being totally over complicated, and Klopp must have been laughing his head off, because although Silva changed his system, he was still asking his players to do things they are clearly not suited to, and any Evertonian could have told you this?
354 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:36:11
355 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:37:17
Porto were returned to greatness and taken to new heights by Mourinho. Mourinho left and the Champions League Champions were ravaged by vultures and did not retain the title. They then rebuilt and won it the next year, and the next and the next and so on. 5 titles in a row and then they skipped a year, sacking the manager and hiring AVB, who hired Pereira as his assistant. AVB wins the league and the UEFA Cup and is immediately declared the new Mourinho and moves to Chelsea. Pereira stepped up to the hot seat.
Porto at this time had Hulk, Joao Moutinho, and of course Falcao, but he left before Pereira got going. Pereira won back to back titles, so Porto won 3 in a row. But Pereira failed in Europe with early exits and this did not go down well. Pereira flirted with Everton at this time, 2013 Link Not sure exactly what happened but we ended up with Martinez and Pereira went to Saudi Arabia.
Then he was in Greece the season after Silva, but between him and Michel, they failed to replicate Silva's record breaking season where they won the league by 30 points and a Europe record number of consecutive wins.
Now here's what gives me the most concern. Remember how much Porto was winning the league from Mourinho's time and then five in a row and a bad season was going a year without a title? Well Pereira left Porto as champions but they didn't win the league again for five seasons, until 2018. Olympiacos had won 7 consecutive titles when Pereira left, they won the next one and haven't won it since. Sure, he will say he won, he was a Champion and the next guy failed. But he failed to repeat the success of the guys before him to the level they did it, and the one after him struggled further.
Next he went to Turkey, not so sure about Turkey and Fener are a basketcase club, but he didn't win anything. His last European club was the second club of Munich, 1860, where he had a 30% win record and lasted 20 games.
He's won two titles in China. I know nothing about China, but I do recall a match fixing scandal and ever since I've been dismissive of their league.
Anyway, I do know Portuguese football, or rather I did, and this was the period and this guy is not good enough.
356 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:37:51
Not sure on exactly how they do it but I believe in low volume markets they lay and back pre arranged prices with each other to pull the market one way or the other. They then drag a more likely types odds up at the high street and bet there, using money they've received for laying the false favorites they've framed in the BetFair markets. They also have multiple twitter accounts to plant stories and start whispers.
TLDR - keep an eye on the betting markets on next manager, they're variable sketchy and rarely accurate due to manipulation by small syndicates. If a couple of guys I met in Spain on holiday were doing this then it's not exactly difficult, expensive or otherwise hard to do.
357 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:40:18
I don't attack other peoples opinions, especially other Evertonians, I mearly disagree with opinions. Opinions are not 'there to be attacked', they are there to be debated & discussed. Perhaps you'd be better suited across the park with the other vitriolic RS fans? Just a suggestion!
And no, my comments about Silva being a grafter are not supposition. It has been commented on by many at the club more in the know, that his work ethic was impeccable. And my physio friend who works at FF backs that up.
That Silva didn't deserve to continue as our Manager is backed up by results, but factors about injuries & VAR decisions are facts too, not sympathy.
As for mawkish crap, can only say that football would be nothing without emotion. Be that passion, loyalty or even sentimentality. While in your opinion, our club is worse for that, I feel the world is probably worse off for having disrespectful, disloyal and dispassionate people. I don't know which category you fall into but I'm willing to have a guess. That would be my final comment to you, as although some debates on here make me change my thinking, yours never will.
358 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:40:53
They would certainly bring passion and style, which has been sadly lacking for too long.
359 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:45:27
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361 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:46:29
I take it you watch their teams play week in week out and understand what they will bring to Everton then..
... were all ears.
362 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:46:39
I doubt Gallardo dropped out of the running after having talks because he has unfinished business in Argentina, more likely the European money is calling him, and of course the chance to test himself against the best.
The question is does he wait for Barcelona, or does he go for someone like Everton. I think we can get him, and he won't break the bank. Hopefully he brings his key defensive midfielder with him.
363 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:48:40
I was hopeful for Silva the way we finished last season and then it turned to shit. The loss of Gana didn't help but as others have pointed out he lost his brain when his Portuguese buddy got a job back home and Boa Morte is more like a lobotomy. Lets see how things work out without these two.
364 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:49:08
365 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:50:35
If Ten Hag isn't going to Bayern, I say get him ASAP.
366 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:50:38
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368 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:53:58
The club has got to get the next managerial appointment right on so many fronts.
Paramount for me is that it cannot be a divisive figure with the fans. We need someone the overwhelming majority can unite behind. It must be someone credible, inspirational who - as Paul Tran keeps repeating - is a fire starter, not a fire fighter.
They are out there. It's primarily Brands job to find one and Moshiri's job to sign it off and fund it.
369 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:58:37
Silva did something remarkable in Portugal with Estoril. Truly remarkable, and it is not forgotten and probably won't be for some time. Famalicão are not Estoril. They are not a little provincial club on the bones of their arse. They are Hoffenheim. They are a small club bought by a rich consortium. The main guy is Jorge Mendes, the agent who runs Portuguese football, and has an interest in Wolves. Famalicão are a vehicle for Mendes players. Sporting, with their nutcase former president went to war with Mendes and refused to sign his players and tried to get them all to drop him, and the ones they had left for Wolves when the President supposedly, allegedly, got the fans to attack the players and Jorge Jesus left as a result.
Famalicão was Mendes fighting back at the Portugese efforts to shut him down. It's not plucky Estoril fighting against the establishment with no money, no stars and supposedly no hope. It's a provincial club flooded with Mendes players, putting them in the shop window, so he can sell them and make a profit. Joao Pedro Sousa is doing a fine job in gelling these guys together, and made a great start. But don't call him Silva's brain, that he was not. His sounding board and his right hand man, for sure. But don't elevate him beyond what he was.
370 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:59:10
Billionaire owner still at the helm.
Still in two cup competitions.
Not too late to turn the season around.
RS may have done us a huge favour.
371 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:59:21
372 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:00:24
Marcelo Gallardo is currently River Plate's most successful manager and has won virtually all there is to win, plus his team play with skill and are a joy to the eye. He would be a breath of fresh air and doesn't suffer fools or complacency.
Similarly Jorge Jesus at Flamengo, is the older and more experienced of the two, and again plays a brand of Football that the fans would relish. He is also somewhat of a character and can't keep still on the touchline or technical Area.
He is Portuguese and has managed many Cubs with much Silverware and League Championships in Europe.
373 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:03:57
374 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:06:18
Im amazed there isnt a formal transfer marker for managers.
You get what you pay for and Everton have not spent nearly enough on a manager in its history. Time for that to change and if it means blowing FFP then so what? Wed get a fine and its not like wed ever make Europe.
375 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:06:56
It's how I follow Sporting ;)
376 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:08:31
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378 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:11:39
Well done Farhad but hopefully soon, for your sake and ours, you identify and obliterate the poison within Finch Farm that continues to confound you, Ryanetsov, and all the investment from your boss Usmanov, as well as potential funding organisations for BMD.
The poison always provides the barrenness that terminates the next hugely expensive manager you have to sack but still you blunder on, with the poison in your ear too. You seem to never realise what it is.
If you're still wondering, just ponder who led you to appoint Duncan Fucking Ferguson for even one fucking match.
379 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:12:36
The fans at goodison need to lift the roof now. Make the atmosphere unpleasant for the away team. The place has become a library and away teams love it. It's gives them a chance to play and get results. The fans need to get vocal to lift the players. Forget the next manager and concentrate on getting behind the team.
380 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:13:16
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384 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:19:06
To be honest after reading your insights I thought you would of known about him already. Thanks for the energy recently, some of the things have been good to read but its Time to take the poster down now mate.
385 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:23:14
386 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:23:41
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388 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:27:01
He's interim against Chelsea for 1 game. Maybe a few others if he does well allowing Brands to find a better long term replacement (would be my guess).
He has NOT been sold as the solution.
We've lost enough with Silva in charge so lets get behind Duncan (for his very short stint) and the team otherwise sacking Silva and still losing games makes us look even more stupid.
389 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:32:44
I apologise, Dont ever change, passion is a beautiful thing.
390 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:35:31
Constructive criticism is perfectly acceptable but vilification of members of the board of directors and possible managerial candidates is indefensible
Retention of premiership status is of the utmost importance and the focus should be on supporting Duncan Ferguson and the team against Chelsea
391 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:38:56
I'm aware of Potter. There's a lot written about him. I enjoyed the stories on the Athletic about the team building activities and so on.
I like to read about tactics and coaching and Michael Cox has written a few things. He's a very intriguing manager. It was a bold appointment and not one I would have encouraged Everton to consider. But if he has a great season at Brighton, proving himself at this level, would it then be possible for us to poach him? Which is why I think he's one to keep an eye on.
The other British managers, other than Wilder, that intrigue me at the moment at the Cowley brothers. They were at Lincoln earlier this season when we played them in the League Cup and last season in the FA Cup. They joined Huddersfield and after a tough couple of first games, they got them going, only to stall in the last 4 games or so. They are certainly a pair to keep an eye out for. They have PE teacher backgrounds and have worked their way up through the pyramid and are still relatively young. Danny is the manager, and his brother Nicky is the assistant.
392 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:39:28
Kenwright is a devious aul fart.. I consider that constructive criticism..
Is that ok? If not, why not?
393 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:44:36
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395 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:58:51
This is my 60th year of supporting Everton, and Silva is right up there in contention for our worst ever manager. I spent all day today checking every half hour for the news we were waiting for.
When the news eventually came through I punched the air and shouted "YES" with more enthusiasm than I've celebrated any of our goals this season. He was that bad, just looking at his miserable face, standing on the touch line in that ridiculous flasher mac was enough to raise my hackles and put me in a bad mood.
It feels like Christmas has come early and I'm heartily glad to see the back of him.
As to the future, we all know that our board are like a dysfunctional family on heavy doses of mogadon, so I don't expect any high profile revelation any time soon from them. Having said that, whoever they appoint, (including David Moyes), will receive my support in order to drag us out of the mess we're in, because someone has to do the job, and if anyone expects any of the big names being bandied about to want to come here to take over the shambles created by Moshiri and Co, think again. We're not an attractive proposition for any 'name' at present, so we're going to have to take who we can get, and get behind them, swallow the medicine as foul as it might taste, add a large dose of reality and see what happens next.ts
Silva's gone, so let's try and be optimistic about the next manager, at least until we can see tge first few results coming in. We need points and we need our fans to help rebuild Fortress Goodison. It can be done, but only if we all pull together.
Onwards and upwards my friends.
396 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:59:05
The Crowley brothers are definitely worth keeping an eye on, I know a few supporters who would have loved them at West Ham and Watford. Huddersfield were 10 unbeaten recently until I put them in an accumulator.
I played a few games under Gary Johnson and have followed his son Lees progress at Bristol city. For me he is another manager who has a fresh approach and is a far better bet than the “British managers lunch time club” (if youve not listened to it its what has kept me going through hard times, look up atletico mince its an absolute genius podcast)
You will always get a call of “no premier league experience” “ hasnt won anything” blah blah but I think the lower leagues have very good options who would do a better job than the “destroy and exit” brigade of washed up Uk managers.
With regards to Potter we would only get him if we were top 6, hes earning his “premier league” experience already.
397 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:02:50
For the day that is in it, I want to commend and thank you for your support of Marco during his time here. Your knowledge of his past coaching achievements and optimism that he would do a good job for us, kept me going many times when I doubted his ability.
Maybe you are right and with a better group of players he can be successful in the future. I wish him all the best.
Either way, we are about to find out over the next few months how much of this was down to Silva, and how much is down to the players.
Silva had to go for sure, but a combination of bad recruitment over a number of years by various managers, and a difficult run of injuries, has left us in a very dangerous position in a season where many of the teams in the bottom half of the table seem capable of beating the usual Top 6 quite frequently.
398 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:06:06
Potter is certainly doing too well for us now, if he keeps it up, and come the summer he can expect to get a great job. but he also seems the type to be loyal and give Brighton a few years.
Athletico Mince - was that Bob Mortimer? Think I listened to something like that but I find Bob a bit too strange for my tastes.
Brian - thanks for that. I hope that Silva was really the worst manager ever, because having lanced that boil, we will bounce right up the table and with Arsenal, Man Utd and Spurs still stuttering, we are not out of the race for the top 6 as 7 points is nothing at this stage of the season if you can get a run going.
399 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:06:43
Surely Brands own job will be on the line if he doesnt get someone in place quickly.
Meanwhile a horrible day over spent worrying about the spectre of Moyes.
400 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:10:51
I don't care who the hell comes in as an interim, or who is permanently appointed, so long as he can install some discipline and method into the disorganised bunch of underperforming players we currently have.
If that's Moyes, Benitez or even Gerrard I couldn't give a toss. I'm not advocating Stevie G La but if he took the job on, and turned the shambles around, then what a windup that would be for the RS.
What I don't want is a Martinez or Silva Mark 2 i. e. Eddie Howe or some foreign coach who's had some fleeting success in Portugal et al.
401 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:14:17
Question: who will be Duncan's assistant? Alan Stubbs appears to be out of work.
402 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:15:27
The one constant on these boards over the reign of the late king was been the constant voice of his biggest advocate, Steve Ferns. Contrary to what Steve Ferns may think, I hold no animosity towards him, but could never fathom out his undying faith in what most could see as a loser.
Steve Ferns appears to have seen something in Silva that not many Tws recognised, he has been steadfast in his support for the man and has posted more verbiage in his praise. than any other. His loyalty has been admirable, if not ill-founded, his opposition to a Moyes appointment is one I share, his apparent knowledge of all things 'soccer' is supposed to impress - but not all are impressed.
I will no longer venture to cast doubt on Steve Ferns, extraordinary knowledge or criticise his plethora of daily posts on each and every subject that is discussed on these pages. After sixty years of supporting the blues, many as a Season Ticket holders I can honestly say that my disappointment in all things EFC are at an all time low and my cancellation of both Auto Cup (!) and Season Ticket are a demonstration of my total disgust at the way this club is being managed.
Steve Ferns, you have many more years than I have to come up with support for whoever follows your buddy Silva. I wish you well I have read a large majority of your posts, not agreed with many but cannot argue with your conviction, right or wrong.
It's way past my bedtime, I am long past caring about who or when or how Everton fare, I've had my fill. I do agree that Moyes is not the answer, nor is Ferguson!.
403 Posted 05/12/2019 at 00:16:27
I am with you 100% in that I fail to understand why Marco Silva was head-hunted, and further bewildered as to why with his Track Record, he was given a 3 year Contract.
For fear of repeating myself why couldn't he have been given an initial Contract with an incentives clause, by that I mean, prove you are the right man for the job and your Contract will not only improved but extended.
If that had prudently been the case, not only with Silva but all the previous incumbents, massive compensation packages would have been minimised and perhaps made them focus more on the job in hand.
Oh I almost forgot the Agents Factor, who is always after the very best deal for his client, of which he has a peripheral interest in profiting from himself.
I can't think of many other jobs where failure is handsomely rewarded, surely if they fail miserably in the duty they have been entrusted to do, they are in Breach of Contract. I have no doubt that someone will know a bit more about the intricacies of Football Manager's Contracts than I do.
It's all water under the proverbial bridge now, so we move on, and hope that Big Dunc can fashion some results, so we can get clear of the brown stuff, and head towards the rarified air of the top half of the Table.
404 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:22:10
I was only a kid at Newmarket town then but Gary Johnson was full of passion and invention, he certainly knew his own mind. it was different back then though. Steve you wouldnt get away with telling elite players home truths now. He did really well at Cambridge Utd straight after and ended up managing Latvia!
I watched Ryan Ledson a bit when he was at Cambridge Utd and he was so much better than the rest on the pitch it was sometimes laughable yet he was coached by Sean Derry. An awful journeyman player then manager who never had the break that the lunch club managers got. Against Carlisle (who were down to 9 men with 30 mins left) instructed his defence to bypass midfield (and Ledson) to hit aimless balls centrally forward where his 5ft6 forward battled with 6 footers, he didnt once alter this “game plan” it finished as a draw.
405 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:27:50
Please dont tell me youre referring to Steve Ferns?!?!
Nice guy, loves Everton but really poor judgement and cannot offer an objective opinion
His support of Silva, despite the evidence, was ridiculous - it literately made no sense - it stood up to zero resilience and zero robustness
Lets please start using our own acumen and literally judging what we see before us. If we see Kean score zero goals in 4 months lets say hes one for the future rather ‘start him every game
If we see Pickford give up goal after goal after goal, please lets call it out and say hes crap rather than hes great
And if we see the likes of Lukaku or Ritchie scoring goals for us lets please value them and laud them rather than pretend we are better off without because we really arent
Were crap. We really are. No other team fails to beat their neighbours for 10 years and fails to beat them away in 20 years. We are crap and we need to understand where we are and build from there rather than the useless delusions of gradueur
Right now, if it suited Klopp to be out of the FA Cup, he actually couldnt pick a team that would lose to us in January. Just think about that for a few moments.
Klopp cant give the FA Cup game away to us in Jan because we are that useless
What a sad pathetic state of affairs
And we think were too good for Mitrovic etc. Good God. We are so deluded
406 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:28:19
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409 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:44:22
We are not attractive to the big names, if we where Pochetinno's agent would be hammering the door down on Moshiri's office.
We will attract a middle of the road safe manager like Howe or an unproven foreign name with a track record in the lower continental leagues.
I personally don't give a shit anymore, after 58 years of supporting this club they have sucked the very life out of me. I swear I couldn't give a rats arse if we went down anymore, that's how I feel at the moment.
Maybe then this circus would stop, BK is still the ringmaster and is leading the rest of the board a merry dance.
Except for Barret Baxendale who admitted she knows nothing about the running of a football club but still ended up on the board.
You couldn't fucking make it up if you tried.
410 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:05:04
I was taken aback. I had never experienced such bile in 12 years jousting with my RS mates.
The manager was Harry Catterick. A manager every bit as good as Shankly.
Day dreamer me hopes the same career for Duncan Ferguson.
411 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:15:33
The one of interest though is Bruno Mendes. Bruno had never worked with Silva before Everton. He is Mr Benfica Lab. Which, and you'll all laugh, is about injury prevention and conditioning. So yeah, not gone well so far. But the results at Benfica were meant to be amazing which is why Silva convinced us to hire him and his guys. I hope Brands can assess them and if they are worth it, keep them.
412 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:18:05
Riley @61 you talking about the Lookman who has 131 minutes in 13 games for Leipzig? Hopefully he's trying to convince yet another manager that he's worth more than training pitch exercises instead of laughing. And you called Steve stupid? Mad, that.
Bobby @129 tbf there were plenty of grips about Silva before he coached his first match too.
Bill @177 I'm completely with you. I think whoever is announced in the coming weeks will speak volumes. If it's a Moyes or whatever, it'll be clear that it's still Kenwright driving the ship. If it's an exciting, progressive-minded manager who's better aligned with the squad we're building (not the dinosaurs who no longer want to be here), it'll be clear it's Brands. I can't imagine Moshiri will do anything but rubber stamp whichever voice wins. Even he must realize he's not good at this and someone else has to choose. If it looks like a Kenwright man, Brands should be on the phone to his lawyer to get out of his contract and head to a club with a clue.
Danny @184 "Brands should go, along with his role as DoF. It isn't working. It rarely works well." Why is the most ignorant are always the loudest?
Karen @191 *clap* one of the sanest, and classiest comments here.
Steve @280 are you taking the piss because Silva got fired? That's the worst fucking XI imaginable.
Mark @329 atta boy, mate, that's the spirit. The list of people who couldn't run an alleyway card game, let alone a £1b business grows by the moment.
Alright I ran out of steam. Who mentioned Ten Heg? lol - Ajax told Bayern they'd have to wait until summer to open discussions, so naturally they'll altar that position for us. Who wouldn't?
I hope Brands quits and Evertonians get what they're wishing for.
413 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:28:47
If Silva did his best, and from what you hear he certainly put the hours in, then he almost certainly couldn't be held to be in breach of his contact.
Yes, in football failure can be richly rewarded but that is no different to the higher echelons of business and commerce. For example, if Tesco continued to underperform and lose market share the CEO would swiftly be shipped out with a very generous compensation package.
It's only us plebs who get sacked and end up at the Jobcentre.
414 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:30:26
415 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:42:10
The taxpayer funded their bonuses, and the bail out of their banks, to the tune of 10s of £billions and have suffered years of cuts to services as a reward. You really couldn't make it up!
416 Posted 06/12/2019 at 02:07:28
"Thanks for everything, teacher! Especially for the care and attention that made me grow and become better in every way. I will never forget everything you did for me. I'll always be in the crowd."
EDIT: I just saw there was an entire post dedicated to this. Whoops - LOL.
417 Posted 06/12/2019 at 02:08:41
Brands to Moshiri - if Moyes comes where do I fit in ? It will be constructive dismissal and I'll want a huge pay off to go quietly.
Moshiri to BK and MB - Let me think about it. That fella who was putting the cones out today give it to him for now he appeared to know what he was doing.
Moshiri to himself - Time to sell and get the hell out of this accursed place.
418 Posted 06/12/2019 at 02:17:31
Interesting to see the players and their messages – including Richarlison, Mina, Bernard, Digne – basically a list of the better players under his reign.
Personally, on watching us hammer Man Utd at Goodison Park, I was hoping for good things, but it wasn't to be.
So the club is more or less in the same position post-Koeman and post-Martinez.
419 Posted 06/12/2019 at 02:19:57
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421 Posted 06/12/2019 at 02:23:17
Good Luck, Marco – you really tried and for that I give you credit.
424 Posted 06/12/2019 at 04:05:36
Do New Caretaker's get New Caretaker Bounce? How high will it be?
Is there a decent 11 in the whole Club for Dunc to stumble upon? Will he make a statement and drop people, will one of them be Pickford?
Is anybody in a blue shirt... and I don't mean from Chelsea, even arsed?
12:30 kick-off; rise and shine, up and at 'em lads and lasses, get plenty of Pernod (or whatever) on those cornflakes, then go down and give em what for. Show them what they can do with the script for their Sky / BBC, pro RS, anti-Everton agenda.
George McKane's preamble should be interesting, there will be some gems I'm sure.
The game's afoot: Follow your spirit, and upon this charge. Cry 'God for Harry Catterick, Everton and Saint Domingo'
Like George, 4-0 sounds good for me too. (These are shite!)
425 Posted 06/12/2019 at 04:21:02
Back home at the weekend!
426 Posted 06/12/2019 at 05:23:54
Cenk, DCL or Kean (all 3? it is Dunc after all)
Will Keane play?
Sidibe or Coleman?
Beni and Delph?
427 Posted 06/12/2019 at 05:24:41
apologies if I've missed any other stalwarts off of course; I may never have met you all or even had an online Tete a Tete with you, but the amount of comments I've read on this site, it feels like I know you, and credit to all of us for sticking it out with our beloved EFC;
ToffeeWeb seems to be a different place nowadays; but I always look out for the following people's posts as they are detailed, informative and I like what they have to say: Steve Ferns, Kevin Prytherch, Mark Guglielmo and Christy Ring, so thank you to the 'new brigade', I spend an awful lot of time reading your stuff - Steve Ferns, I have no idea where you find the time to work!!
I have to take issue with Riley's comments against Mr Ferns, no doubt said in jest I'm sure, but Steve's posts are well researched and well written, so I don't see the need to lay into him. I actually agree with a lot of what Steve has written; Everton were not far away under Marco Silva, Steve's post on stats about chances created, chances not given up etc made the point very well; and I don't think I need to say any more than what is written in Lyndon's latest article, it sums up Silva's time brilliantly; I actually do feel a bit sorry for him, but ultimately the results did for him, and now it's time to move on.
Sadly for me, this is another lost season, one which promised so much after the end of last season and what looked like an easy run of fixtures for the beginning of this season; but we are, where we are; game by game it is for me now, starting with Chelsea at home on Saturday; I'm sure the roar of Goodison for Duncan leading out the team will send us on to victory, and let's just hope the board make the right decision for our next appointment.
428 Posted 06/12/2019 at 06:07:31
429 Posted 06/12/2019 at 06:19:24
Look at the infighting between Everton fans above. I attribute all that to Kenwright.
The irony is that Kenwright claims to be an Everton fan. Hes not. Hes only interested in money.
I admit Im obsessed.
Time to hire more planes because nothing will change until hes gone.
Ps Ferguson is Kenwrights lackey and needs firing instead of being the default manager.
Brands needs firing too. Hes a disaster.
Dont be surprised if they use the manager malarkey as the excuse for “forgetting “ to put in for planning.
430 Posted 06/12/2019 at 07:22:37
I'm with you on the Ferguson thing mate. It absolutely beats me how some people are actually touting him as manager, on a full-time basis. Why? On what grounds... by which way of thinking?
431 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:00:12
Since Moyes was tempted away, neither party has enjoyed any success (in fact, quite the opposite).
I'm not saying Moyes' Everton were fantastic. In fact, I was glad that he left. But with Moyes, Everton had a cohesive spirit, chemistry, grit, defensively solid, with sparks of flare. When we finished 4th, I remember a run of games where we kept conceding first, but it didn't matter, we came back from behind to win (remember that!).
I think we give Moyes the job. I'd offer him a decent contract e.g. 5 years. It would have 2 caveats in the contract. He must achieve points targets this season and next season. If he does not hit the targets, Everton has the right to fire him with zero compensation. You can't say fairer than that.
By the way, I've been reading ToffeeWeb for many many years, only now felt the need to weigh in with my opinion.
432 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:22:26
433 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:26:02
Love him or loathe him Duncan Ferguson may surprise us. Men follow men - especially when the chips are down.
434 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:31:42
435 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:38:27
436 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:42:42
437 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:54:29
438 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:24:31
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Richarlison Beni Gordon
MAKE A STATEMENT BIG MAN !
439 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:26:21
Jon you are not the only obsessed one but at least you admit it. Sometimes its hard to work out if this is ToffeeWeb or one of Bills Corrie appearances.
440 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:40:55
My choice for the Chelsea game would have been someone who commands respect from his time at the highest levels and is a known thinker on the game. In fact he's still at Everton and still sat on the bench --- Leighton Baines.
441 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:51:31
442 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:57:52
So, are you really saying that the fans would have turned on a manager who might ultimately bring success? They start having doubts when the manager loses so many games. They start having doubts when they can't see the shape he's trying to give the team. And they turn on him when his selection of undeperforming players start to beggar belief.
So Darren, if it's none of these in Silva's case then what would you suggest was the reason for the fans turning against him?
Oh, and by the way try telling the old mantra about not being able to build teams in 18 months to the Leicester and Chelsea fans, whose managers have raised both the standards and the application of their squads -- and without the benefit of £300m.
No, let's just fall back on the old 'it's all the fans fault."
443 Posted 06/12/2019 at 10:43:36
444 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:01:30
445 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:38:14
Just a thought is anyone up for a collection say £10 from each ToffeeWebber and send Kenwright up to the Arctic Circle to feed the Polar Bears. A tent and sleeping bag waterproofed with seal blubber for his comfort could also be provided. Polar bears love seal blubber.
446 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:53:55
Now... what's next?
447 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:43:23
Whoever becomes our permanent manager, it is of paramount importance, apart from having a football brain, that he is able to communicate with the players, and have a GOOD command of English so that he can get his ideas across.
I've said in the past that Marco's interviews were like Scrabble for the ears. I don't particularly want someone who is 'Everton through and through' ... 'Bleeds Blue Blood' – this is part of the malaise that is EFC. I'm often at the beach watching ships and stuff on the river. I really, really get it. Nobody in their right mind would advocate that I should be a ship's captain, would they?
Alex (#334) mentioned Nicola Cortese. I've posted about him in the past. Southampton went to look at a young Coutinho but ended up signing Pochettino. Check him out. He is the type of person who should be overseeing EFC.
I don't have enough football knowledge to be suggesting a manager but, whoever it is, I will embrace him and wish him and us success.
Some people are talking up David Moyes. How would you feel if you found out that your missus had been seeing someone behind your back for several months? She finally told you that she was going because she'd fallen out of love with you and the other guy could offer her more. That didn't work out and he chased her. She met another and another. They didn't work either. Now she's flashing her false eyelashes at you and saying "Can I come back? Things will be different this time." Would you have her back ?
That was 2013, I was able to cycle 4 or 5 times a week and do mini triathlons. Now I'm fraying at the edges, a dodgy knee and I've got Duck's Disease. Move on.
As Vivien Leigh said, "Tomorrow is another day."
448 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:10:59
449 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:36:40
From what I can pick up the main grips against Moyes are:
- He left to take another, better job on more money probably. Guess what? It happens, that's life. People need to grow up and stop behaving like 3-year-olds that couldn't have a packet of Smarties. Don't forget, he left after years and years of service and hard work.
- He tried to buy back some of the players he trusted from Everton. Guess what? Every manager under the sun does this – I don't remember people moaning when Silva brought Richarlison with him from Watford? Or when he tried to buy Doucoure from them over the summer? All managers will try to bring in players they know and trust when they get a new job. Once again, people need to grow up and get into the real world.
- He is ginger and Scottish and looks a bit miserable at times. I mean, come on really? That is a reason to dismiss a proven Premier League manager who only last year with West Ham did the exact job we need now? Are people really so shallow and blinded by the cult of personality that they would rather look at someone's hair colour than the facts of what they have done or how good a manager they really are? That sort of attitude sums up why we are where we are now.
We do not need to gamble on some fancy foreign name who has done well abroad but has never cut it in the Premier League. That is a gamble that will end in disaster. Moyes is proven to be a Premier League level manager as his recent stint with West Ham and his long, successful years with us show for fact. People need to wake up and stop having a go at managers for frankly ridiculous reasons.
I would rather the Moyes's honesty and passion compared to what we have seen with chancers like Martinez or Silva. It would be nice to actually understand an interview from our manager for once, for example!
450 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:41:44
451 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:28:34
I'm normally level-headed, and had real optimism at the end of last season, but this clueless twat Silva has left me absolutely livid. Thanks to this chump, we are now staring relegation in the face, and I don't see a way out.
Not that Silva cares (cos he doesn't) as he'll be banking his fat fucking severance pay off and lazing on a continental beach, while we go through hell watching the club we love get sucked into the Championship.
Why the fuck do TOTAL failure managers get large pay-offs? I suppose we might avoid it if Silva gets re-hired immediately by someone else, but who the fuck would hire him? We should be so lucky...
If we were a totally shit and underfunded outfit, then relegation would have been easier to take. In the early Moyes era, finishing 17th was excusable given the budget Moyes had to work with.
Silva, the total Charlatan, has had huge money to spend. We should be NOWHERE near the relegation zone.
So fuck you, Marco, you mumbling twat!
452 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:30:21
453 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:33:36
454 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:34:57
455 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:36:11
Wow. Just wow.
"Obsessed" and "normally level-headed"? Uh-huh.
456 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:37:14
457 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:59:20
Silva is just a.n.other EPL shyster, full of bullshit, bereft of ability.
The chances of us finding a manager who isn't of the very same ilk are very very slim in my opinion, because everyone in the world, repeat, "world" of football will by now have well sussed out Moshiri and his board as the softest touches on the planet.
Given his experience, position and salary I'd be surprised if Brands hasn't by now given up on aspiring for better in terms of our success and is merely content to sit back, well paid as he is for TWO roles that are in conflict with each other in terms of accountability, until Moshiri decides to pay him a few £mill with his P45.
458 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:59:41
I am totally angry at one of the phoniest managers we have ever appointed.
Silva's shite record was there for all to see before he was hired. Why the hell we chased him and appointed him I don't know.
Many on here hurl insults at Kenwright. I don't. Kenwright doesn't train the team, coach the team, motivate the team, select the tactics, pick the team and (mostly) even choose the signings. Silva did. But yeah okay, Kenwright probably sanctioned Silva's appointment, so fuck him too! :-)
I don't care how classy or otherwise you think I am. All I care about is that we don't get relegated. Because if we go down, we won't be back up for ages. Moshiri will probably walk. There'll be no new stadium, and we'll probably be in massive financial trouble to boot, like 50% of the lower league clubs.
If Silva had any "class", he wouldn't take his severance pay.
Oh, and the RS will win the league to boot.
459 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:03:38
460 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:07:55
Also, as Don says, none of the rest of us get paid our salary for the next few years if we get sacked.
461 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:12:01
Not to defend the bankers but everyone was complicit. Everyone and their brother wanted to wade into the stock market directly or through their retirement plan to cash in. The stock market was driven by profits from banks.
Everyone and their brother wanted to buy a nice new house to keep up with the Jones's, regardless of their income, job security etc. Everyone, the whole of society, were responsible for the crash, as all of us are greedy.
462 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:19:51
"It's so refreshing to read a well thought out, reasoned and reasonable assessment."
Very funny Ben.
Do you want a dissertation on why Silva is the worst manager we've ever had (apart from Mike Walker - 51% loss record)?
Do you want a statistical analysis (it's grim)? Would you like me to spell out his tactical blunders (as I see it)?
Why should I need to do that? Have you been watching EFC this season? Do you really think Silva's just been unlucky, and otherwise done a good job?
Are you an apologist for this charlatan? Let me guess... all Kenwright's fault again is it?
463 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:32:04
Kieran I am NOT an "extremist", but I am extremely angry. I was born in Oxford St maternity in '73, and have been following EFC for a very, very long time. I saw this club win titles, FA cups and dodge relegation twice.
I have NEVER been angry at a manager or player (not even "Judas" Rooney in 2004) before as I am at Silva right now. If you think I'm an extremist, then read any of my previous posts on other topics to see otherwise.
It has just hit me like a bullet between the eyes, that instead of this grand old club (that I remember as a titan of English football as a lad) finally ascending back to the upper echelon in a beautiful new stadium, we are probably going to get relegated, remain in a 1920's ground and then likely go into administration.
With Liverpool cruising to the title again after 30 years, you'd better believe that I am angry.
You should be too, "extremist" or not.
464 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:35:40
Nah I just want you to get my name right. 😉
Oh and I have been watching us this season just as I have the previous 51. We're all angry but not all of us go in for an over the top character assassination of someone we barely, if at all, know. I'm not an apologist or someone who says it Kenwright's fault either.
I'm just someone who disagrees with you and finds your post regarding Silva as childish and totally unreasonable, just as I find your boring too often used term of "Judas" for Rooney, ridiculous. Having said that, we're all allowed our opinions on here and I respect your right, if nothing else, to voice yours. NSNO.
465 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:42:22
To be clear I'm angry and share your fears but I'm puzzled by your focus on Silva. I don't think he was a malicious con man; I think he was a nice guy but a buffoon.
466 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:43:58
467 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:49:11
I don't hate Silva, but I am angry at him.
He shouldn't take his pay off though. he knows he did a terrible job.
468 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:54:22
Daftest thing I've read on here in quite some time. Collective social responsibility for unfettered capitalism.
469 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:01:38
Case in point: this thread. Everyone moaning about money in football but it's our money. We made a choice to hand it over to the club or to Sky.
We have the ability to end it but we don't. Why? Cause we are vain and greedy and want to keep up with the Joneses who will pay so we can feel some kind of some kind of joy through association since 99 percent probably had a childhood dream of being a football star but failed.
We want what we can't have so we make poor choices driven by emotion, greed and vanity. We are all to blame for all of our societies ills as the society is the collective of us all.
470 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:06:06
471 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:15:13
Childish? Possibly... Unreasonable? No!!
We have some of the most technically gifted players I have ever seen at Goodison Park (I first went to Goodison in 1977). We have the 3rd highest net spend over the last 5 seasons and the 4th highest GROSS spend (£536.5 million, compared to Liverpool's £470.9 million) over the same period. We should be easily in the top 10.
It is 100% the fault of Marco Silva.
You may have noticed I put the "Judas" term in quotes to indicate that it was the term being used at the time, and NOT by me!
I went to every game in the 2003-04 and 2004-05 seasons, saw Rooney's debut goal, season ticket holder, living in Bootle.
472 Posted 07/12/2019 at 00:26:37
What was Cameron's strap line: 'Big society... were all in this together' – while he carved up the working classes.
Like fuck we are.
Classic privileged claptrap and sleight of hand to distract you from what they're really at.
473 Posted 07/12/2019 at 00:37:49
The biggest change is that football has now become a television sport. The vast proportion of clubs' revenues come from TV fans who don't attend games, via their TV subscriptions. These fans usually live nowhere near the team that they decide to support, and have little or no real connection with the region 'their' club is located within.
This has completely changed the face of football.
Traditional giants like Villa and Leeds Utd, if relegated, can have smaller budgets than traditional minnows like Bournemouth or Brighton. A large gate by itself is not enough anymore.
The TV Sport model of modern football and inflated budgets results in teams stuffed full of foreigners and hardly any local players in the team.
OK many of these foreign players are the "best" in the world, but let me tell you whilst it may be exciting to TV fans to watch these cosmopolitan teams in English club shirts go at each other, it is a poor relation to actually attending and watching LOCAL players who play for the shirt. Well, that's my memory of the 70s and 80s (when it was only a couple of quid to get in!!).
And it wasn't cos I had any ambition of being a footy star. I was crap!
474 Posted 07/12/2019 at 00:44:49
Not saying Cameron and co aren't wankers. Obviously they are insidious individuals but I know plenty of working class folks voting against their own self-interests to put them in power. We have elections.
We don't have to vote for them but we (I don't personally but I'm using the term broadly) do. So obviously on some level, we are content with them running the country, or Thatcher getting us kicked out of UEFA etc
475 Posted 07/12/2019 at 01:05:52
Then we should cross off Moyes and Rafa, plus Pardew, Hughes etc. and all the other ones Bill and the ex head of soup and blankets for the homeless might like.
Moshiri should then fuck off for an early Christmas and leave it to Brands.
Brands then gets his little black book out and starts phoning his way down the list.
Hopefully when Moshiri, like the rest of us on Boxing Day, gets up, looks at the options of more noisey kids and cold turkey butties, will decide that a few beers and going to the match is the way to go. He can then turn up and have Brands brief him... maybe even introduce him to the 'New Guy'.
Burnley dispatched (note my use of the ablative there) 'New Guy' is officially announced before Newcastle and in the stands with Moshiri. Big Dunc signs off with a win.
'New Guy' takes us to Man City for a 0-0. Then on to Anfield where we narrowly win and onwards we go to Wembley.
477 Posted 07/12/2019 at 21:42:27
What the are you on about? "One of my unhinged rants"? The only angry post was my first, and it was in my opinion justified. Nothing about my further posts was "unhinged".
Why are you putting quotes around "sucked". I never used that particular word. If I was terrible at my job, knew I was terrible at my job, got fired for being terrible at my job, and insisted on taking a large severance (especially when I was already a millionaire and didn't need it), then I would indeed have no class. I have never done anything of the sort.
What would you do then? Take the money? Oh, well I guess you have no class either then.
OK, I suspect you're a TV/internet "football fan" and don't go to games much. But let me humbly inform you that home crowds respond with FAR more enthusiasm to local(ish) home grown lads who know what it means to play for the club. For example, when Rooney hit the scene the buzz in Goodison was electric... I was there in the stands.. so I know. There were far more of those in the 70s/80s. That's all I was saying.
I like how you take that simple and pretty plain observation and extrapolate it to an implication that I'm some kind of Brexit racist xenophobe. I'm married to a foreigner of a different race, and had strong words with an idiot in the Lower Bullens who was shouting vile (and I mean vile) racist insults at a Liverpool player (it was the derby 2005 and the stewards were doing nothing about it).
I am angry at Silva because of what he's done to the club I love with his terrible mismanagement, not because he's Portuguese for God's sake.
You've obviously declared yourself a remainer. Congratulations. You must feel so superior. The trouble with many remainers, in my experience, is they have this air of sanctimonious piety that belies their dumb ignorance
...for example.. you probably believe the evil Tories are going to "sell off the NHS" in their "desperation to strike a trade deal with the US". Right? And you know all about TTIP, of course, and the desperation with which the EU were trying to strike a trade deal with the US in 2016? Tories evil, EU good.
Grow a brain.
I didn't vote in 2016.
478 Posted 08/12/2019 at 21:28:16
The mistake was not doing it after the third game of the season when we were so poor and lost at Villa. Or after the 5th losing to Bournemouth, or definitely the 6th losing at home to the mighty Sheffield United.
Or perhaps the 8th losing at Burnley. Or the 10th at Brighton. Same ineffective tactics every single game. Absolute failure as a manager.
I'm with you.
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