Ancelotti deal reportedly imminent

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Carlo Ancelotti could be unveiled as Everton's new manager before the end of the week with more and more media outlets reporting that a deal has been agreed in principle for the Italian to take over from Marco Silva.

Ancelotti is believed to have agreed a four-and-a-half-year contract with the Toffees following talks with Farhad Moshiri yesterday and it appears as though matters will be finalised once details of his severance from Napoli are confirmed.

Italian journalist, Nicolo Schira, tweeted that Ancelotti is flying from London to Naples on Wednesday to complete the formalities on his departure from the Serie A club before putting pen to paper on his deal with Everton.

In the meantime, Italian sources have already been outlining the make-up of his backroom staff.

Sport journalist Schira claims that Francesco Mauri and Manuel Morabito will be among the first-team coaches, Simone Montanaro the match analyst, with Luca Guerra and Beniamino Fulco rounding out the team.

Ancelotti's son Davide will be his assistant manager and it looks as though he will be joined by Duncan Ferguson, a stipulation likely included by Everton who don't want to see the current caretaker boss moved out of the way.

Gianluca Di Marzio of Sky Italy says that the 60-year-old former Chelsea manager will officially take the reins when Everton face Burnley on Boxing Day but he could be in place as early as Saturday when the Blues host Arsenal.

Meanwhile, there are separate reports in Gazetta dello Sport that Farhad Moshiri's friend and business partner, Alisher Usmanov, helped broker the deal with Ancelotti and may have provided assurances over financial backing for transfers, hinting that the Uzbek billionaire is ready to step up his involvement with the club.  


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Joe McMahon
1 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:35:26
WOW, is this finally "Our Time" I hope so!
Michael Lynch
2 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:41:27
Big Dunc: "welcome tae Goodison Carlo, ah cannae wait to work wi' yiz"

Carlo Ancelotti: "what?"

Trevor Peers
3 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:47:54
Mega bucks here we come lads ! Couldn't of happened to a greater set of supporters or more deserving than Everton's. If it's true .
Nicholas Ryan
4 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:48:15
In the Godfather, the Corleone family's chief killer/enforcer, is a guy called Luca Brazzi. I can just picture Moshiri saying to Ancelotti: 'Welcome, Godfather', and then pointing to Big Dunc, saying: 'And here is your Luca Brazzi'!
Chris Williams
5 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:49:09
£1,000,000 per month plus being rumoured. One of top 3 highest paid managers in the world.

If true, not too shabby!

Richard Duff
6 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:50:43
Carlo wandering around Everton One;

Sales Assistant " Can I help you sir?"

Carlo "No, prego. I just I browsing"

Steve Ferns
7 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:51:55
Davide Ancelotti is assistant coach and not assistant manager.

The backroom team is said to be:

- Beniamino Fulco - assistant manager

- Davide Ancelotti (son) - coach

- Duncan Ferguson - coach

- Fancesco Mauri - fitness coach (but no mention of his dad Giovanni)

- Manuel Morabito - coach

- Simone Montanaro - chief analyst

no mention of his son-in-law either yet, but I doubt they announce the nutritionist in advance.

Karl Masters
8 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:56:27
I read £3.75m a year yesterday. Now, someone saying £12m! That's rampant inflation or is the Merseyside rumour mill being fed a load of bullshit?
Kunal Desai
9 Posted 17/12/2019 at 14:56:48
I remain cautious. I thought it was a new revolution when Moshiri joined and Koeman came in...look how chain of events have turned out since then.
Fran Mitchell
10 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:00:39
Having this manager will automatically change the way the media talk about us. This is not some high profile manager who's had a couple of good years and is at the end of his career (like West Ham's Pellegrini for example).

This is a manager of 60 years (most managers go on to 70 or even past that).

This is a guy with:

3 Champions League titles.4 League titles in 4 different leagues. And innumerous other titles of varying domestic and international competitions. He's been recognised as the best in his profession also.

This is A-List. Serious demonstration of intent.

And more importantly:

This is not a manager who will want to end such a distinguished career treating 8th place finishes as some sort of success. If he wanted a pay check and an easy life, he'd have gone to China. If we have enticed him here, it must have come with some level of guarantee that we as a club can match his ambitions.

Ancelotti is a manager who will look at the league and think - how can we challenge for the Champions League. How can we challenge for silverware.

He'll see where Leicester are and say "if they can, so can we". He'll see Utd and Arsenal and Chelsea and and Spurs and think "we can overtake them".

This could just be our time.

There are no guarantees. But 2 weeks ago we had Silva as manager, and by the weekend we just may have Ancelotti.

Smile boys. It's Christmas.

Kevin Molloy
11 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:00:58
Steve I think you'll find he's assistant to the manager
Brian Williams
12 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:02:45
Hasn't signed yet lads ;-)
Steve Ferns
13 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:05:04
We'll see Kevin. Lots can get lost in translation. Davide was an assistant coach at Napoli and not the assistant. Whilst Beniamino Fulco is described as "supervisor" which I assume means assistant manager, otherwise what is he supervising?
James Marshall
14 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:06:41
Steve@13

Beniamino Fulco is on cones.

Duncan has been promoted to Don Carlo's minder.

Dave Abrahams
15 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:07:15
Nicholas (4), No, Luca Brazi was old school and outdated, Albert Neri, ex policeman, was the modern hit man, and a very professional killer for the Godfather.
Denis Richardson
16 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:07:29
Usmanov finally coming out of the dark. Time to wake the sleeping giant after nearly 30 years of slumber.

Give all the deadwood a pay off and clear them off the books. Use the current squad to get to safety, maybe add a couple in Jan, then a whole overhaul of the squad in the summer with 3-4 top class signings added in key positions. Then have a proper crack next season with no 'transition' bullshit.

20 years of nonsense hopefully coming to an end with BK out of any major decisions and the likes of Moyes can have a free season ticket and no more.

Steve Ferns
17 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:08:27
haha nice one James. I've no idea here. I've just gone off google.
Steve Ferns
18 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:09:28
Denis can Moyes have an extra ticket for "Wee Sandy"?
Andrew James
19 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:35:27
I was cynical about this because I just couldn't see it and he has a reputation for not wanting to play youth which could be problematic given our squad. There's at least 4 players who should be in the first 11 on merit who one might argue are the youth.

But he might not see them like that and play them on merit.

Nevertheless, I suspect he will do wonders for players like Pickford, Mina and Sidibe. That Milan team he coached were famed for their defenders (despite the 3 goals in Istanbul).

Having him in the dressing room can only help. He's known for players loving him and he can make them believe in the big games.

Under Moyes and Martinez when we got close to trophies, I felt we lacked the poise and belief. I mean we have reached 5 semi finals and one final in a decade or so and won nothing.

By law of averages you'd expect at least one League Cup win or whatever. If we can get ourselves in these positions again, Ancelotti has the experience and personality.

John Pickles
20 Posted 17/12/2019 at 15:49:55
It'sssss Chrissssmassss!!!!!!!!

Usmanov & Ancelotti.

Am I the only Evertonian who is scared, any time soon, he's about to wake up?

Alan J Thompson
21 Posted 17/12/2019 at 16:05:50
"may have provided assurances over financial backing for transfers".

Anyone have any idea how much that might be under FFP and if the Manager's wages come into the calculation?

Dave Abrahams
22 Posted 17/12/2019 at 16:13:05
Alan (21), that second paragraph, I was thinking the same thing, if Ancelotti comes to Everton, how much will we be allowed to spend?
Michael Nisbet
23 Posted 17/12/2019 at 16:15:14
"Steve I think you'll find he's assistant to the manager "

Ha ha. Am I the only one getting your 'The Office' joke Kevin?

If this happens I will be absolutely delighted. I always thought Moshiris pursuit of Silva was tunnel vision in extreme, and that there were managers of Ancelotti's ilk we could have at least looked at. This is more like it!

Adam Carey
24 Posted 17/12/2019 at 16:18:13
Finch Farm sponsorship increased to £50M per season and USM preferred supplier for Peel docks regeneration projects!
I see no irregularities here Mr FFP investigator
Jerome Shields
25 Posted 17/12/2019 at 16:50:08
Supporting Everton is getting stranger and stranger, if Usmanov has come to the fore.

No wonder Big Dunc did not express wanting the Managers job. He has kept in the background working away, giving no opinion and knowing what the real ball game at Everton now is. He also used the Caretaker role to secure his future at the Club. He is one astute cookie. Others futures are not as secure now.

Alan J Thompson
26 Posted 17/12/2019 at 16:57:58
Dave(#22); Could it be the roundabout music being cranked up again and Mr Brands kept busier on the outgoings rather than those Mr Ancellotti wants coming in, an overhaul or just fundamental additions?
Kieran Kinsella
27 Posted 17/12/2019 at 17:01:24
All I want for Christmas is:

A legit and honest interview process. Let the candidate know exactly what we can spend, who is in charge of what, who we can sell etc, where we are on the stadium, our expectations around performance. Then both parties can decide if it's going to work.

What I DO NOT want for Christmas:

Is a "statement" appointment for the sake of it. I don't want Mosh and Bill conning Carlo into taking the job with false promises, after a tour of the trophy room and a study of Dan Meiss' latest art works. I am tired of statements. I want results. Consequently, I don't care who the manager is as long as he's competent and given an HONEST assessment of our situation financially, his restrictions with transfers, and realistic expectations. That's it.

Clarence Yurcan
28 Posted 17/12/2019 at 17:11:24
This is fantastic news; finally Everton are about to become a truly "big money" club. Mark my words, both the League and the Champions League will be won within 5 years.
Denis Richardson
29 Posted 17/12/2019 at 17:18:05
Steve 18 - Sandy can sit on his lap.
Pat Kelly
30 Posted 17/12/2019 at 18:04:32
Brands is now head of the shipping department.
Frank Wade
31 Posted 17/12/2019 at 18:26:26
Karl #8, Koeman was on 6m a year, Pochettino was on 8m at Spurs, no way we were getting Ancelotti for 3.75m. Not inflation, just market rates, or fake news..

Kieran #27, The amount available to spend can only be ballpark as this stage and aspirational at best. We have to sell some players. Release others who we can't sell. Hopefully this announcement will boost our commercial income. All this and FFP placing restrictions on wage increases year on year, make any exact figure difficult to estimate. We rank 3rd in nett spend on transfers over past 5 years, so Mr Moshiri has been true to his word. Unfortunately we have made some bad choices with his money.

Ken Gray
32 Posted 17/12/2019 at 18:31:50
Great news! NSNO!! COYB!!
Barry Rathbone
33 Posted 17/12/2019 at 18:50:58
Truly staggered and admit to reservations but can't fault the ambition. Mosh could do with a bit of luck re his appointments here's hoping Carlo can provide it.

Well done Everton

Ian Pilkington
34 Posted 17/12/2019 at 19:28:29
This is the most important development since John Moores took over in 1960. Usmanov is clearly involved and at long last we can look forward to our club returning to our rightful place. Wonderful news.
Don Alexander
35 Posted 17/12/2019 at 19:40:21
I'm not overly enthusiastic about this because I thought Brands had a brief to find and sign talented folks flying just below the radar. If Ancelotti is his idea then I can only assume he views the sun as "just one of those many things in the sky."

So, again, what is Brands job and who, if anyone, is he answerable to in our boardroom? Further, Ancelotti's appointment will be the death knell to the management-speak "three year project" spoken about with such enthusiasm by Moshiri, and a good thing too. Our next manager needs to seriously aspire to top four by the end of next season. Leicester won the bloody league four years ago with no "project" ever being mentioned. They then lost at least four of their very best players but bloody hell, this season they're right at the top again!

It's done with effort, heart, practice, fitness and, yes, a smidge of luck. Leicester have now repeatedly shown that words and money have little to do with it.

Vinny Garstrokes
36 Posted 17/12/2019 at 19:42:16
Could be good news for Moise Kean as well. If true he might flourish with a predominantly Italian management team
Phill Thompson
37 Posted 17/12/2019 at 19:47:41
Great news if it happens.
The expectations around a vague rumour about Usmanov are laughable though, I can remember similar sentiments when Moshiri first came on board, we were going to conquer Europe in the next few years. Since then we've spent a shed load of money, 5 or 6 managers and I'm widely excited because we beat Chelsea, drew with United and are getting a new manager.
Let's get Ancelotti on board first and see what he can do this season. I'm assuming he's been promised a shed load of transfer money too, let's see how he and Brands use it.
Paul Smith
38 Posted 17/12/2019 at 19:51:53
I mean wtf, one of the most successful football manager's on Earth but its a bit meh.

We were talking about Moyes & Hughes two weeks ago - ffs, now we're about to sign Ancelotti. Dunc has raised expectations overnight and we won't find his passion in any top manager, he's an Everton supporter and a good coach, but not a world reknown top manager, yet, but he could be with guidance from the best, and Ancelotti is up there.

Bill Gienapp
39 Posted 17/12/2019 at 19:55:59
Ancelotti wasn't my first choice and I questioned the fit, but if Usmanov is bankrolling things, it makes a lot more sense. However, even if Usmanov turns out not to be as involved as people are assuming, it's still an exciting appointment and a major statement of intent. I can understand having reservations, but I'm surprised that some seem dead-set against this.

Part of me is sad that the long-term vision Brands and Silva were trying to implement appears to have been scrapped, and I fear that the likes of Calvert-Lewin, Davies and Holgate will be brushed aside right as they're coming into their own... but such is football. We'll just have to see how things play out.

Andrew Laird
40 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:00:45
If anyone is against Carlo Ancelotti, being Everton manager then football isn't your thing. Maybe get something better to do with your time like having a good stare out of a window or counting your rice.
Dave Brierley
41 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:01:50
Wow Don #35
If I ever need anyone to come and piss on my Christmas Pud you're the man!
Colin Glassar
42 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:12:31
There's always one, Dave. The miserable sod who sits in the corner, at a party, moaning about the ale, food, music, talent etc...

Like many Evertonians I'm a natural pessimist. I always expect things to turn pear shaped for us but maybe, just maybe, things will turn out differently.

If Ancellotti takes over he needs to get us to the Moyes magical threshold of 40 points ASAP. Then he can start planning for the future.

Steavey Buckley
43 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:15:26
Will Everton now return to half-hearted football with one striker up front when Ancelotti takes over to look forward to another bumper pay off when he goes? I get the feeling it's going to be another frustrating end of season, because I have seen it all before with one manager after another.
Joe McMahon
44 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:22:38
Don cheer up man, yes its a gamble, but if we land Carlo Ancelotti, it gets us noticed. Leicester were very shrewd and the timing of everything was key for them, such as all the big clubs in turmoil. When Rodgers (a very good manager) arrived, their squad was also much better than ours, with left over Koeman/Walsh crap and Coleman and Baines in thier 30s.

But we have to grab an opportunity when it arrives, as not many have ever come Everton's way since 1878. If Carlo is landed, chill and try to enjoy it. The media for once will be talking about Everton, our profile will rise, and it needs to!

Paul Birmingham
45 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:26:19
Let's hope, and see what the next 48 hours reveals. Hopefully the start of building a rock solid team and a club whom players will want to join.

Cautious optimism, but it's edging to some descision, it would seem in the next few days.

I'd expect the club to issue a statement by Friday tea time, hopefully it will be the massive tonic Evertonians deserve.

Brian Harrison
46 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:38:37
See there is a Santa Claus after all, what were people saying 2 weeks back let's get Eddie Howe, Pereira, and some heretics even suggested Benitez. These other guys are minor league privates, we have gone and got a 5-star general.

Yet there are fans questioning his appointment... On what grounds??? This man has won everything there is to win in the game. Personally, I don't care what his salary is – anybody who has won what he has can name his own price.

Soren Moyer
47 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:51:14
I take it we will go for Jadon Sancho from Dortmund when/ if Carlo is in! What a player.
Leighton Cooper
48 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:53:07
Steve #7, what about goalkeeper coach? The last one left with Silva.
Andy Crooks
49 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:58:30
We could have had Moyes, Hughes, Dyche, Howe. But we just might have Ancelloti. I think this might just make my Christmas happier. Also, I have called loud and often that I am appalled that Duncan Ferguson has survived for so long. Well, I know now why he has, and I hope and expect that he will remain around.

I honestly can't imagine Duncan being anywhere else. He is, contrary to my previous nonsense on the subject, Everton to the bone. He must stay.

I can't wait for Ancelloti to see Niasse. It is never dull at our club.

Chris Mason
50 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:59:41
For all the doom-mongers and naysayers – including my own cynicism – this is the most ambitious appointment we could have made. Even if more coaching options available this is a coup, and we should all get behind them as they work with the squad for the rest of the season.

Remember he's inheriting a shambolic set-up and an underperforming team. It'll take a little time.

As for his wages, if true, I bet Moshiri is making up for the two years of wages from Napoli. But who cares if he turns the team around? Money ceased being a moral issue in football decades ago, its a different world so why worry?

Don Alexander
51 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:25:32
For the avoidance of doubt, I haven't written one word of criticism of Ancelotti but he has to do something big at Finch Farm to purge the place of whoever or whatever is stinking the place out throughout the reigns of five managers in six years. Unless he, or whoever gets the job, does it, we're going nowhere.
Phil Martin
52 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:36:38
Usmanov and Ancelotti. This is not happening. Not to Everton.
Anthony Murphy
53 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:38:36
Although this looks extremely likely, let's not forget we have previous for fucking deals up at the 11th hour. I'll celebrate a fantastic piece of business once we see him in front of that big club crest at Finch Farm shaking hands with Brands.
Mike Doyle
54 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:39:58
Duncan has about 5 years of ‘how not to do it' experience accrued from working with Koeman, Silva & Co.

If it happens, A bit of first hand exposure to how a proven winner goes about his business could set him up nicely for the big job further down the line.

Let's watch with interest.

Kristian Boyce
55 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:42:35
Little surprized that Ancelotti isn't planning to bring in Paul Clement with him. Whilst a not very good manager, his coaching skills were very highly regarded. Didn't he follow him to like 3 different teams?
Barry Rathbone
56 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:43:06
I've just stumbled across the most wonderful fact that Carlo sang to Madrid and Bayern fans after winning trophies.

An Everton manager capable of singing "Suspicious Minds" to the faithful is all I really want, tbh.

Rob Dolby
57 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:44:41
Ancelotti isn't a miracle worker. The current squad even if everyone was fit isn't good enough.

We need a couple of proper centre midfielders and a centre back. We also need a proven experienced striker. let's hope his staff are already approaching Brands to get the players otherwise it will be last minute again.

Got to feel a bit for Silva. He did mention pre season that the team wouldnt be as strong without Gueye and Zouma but the club never replaced them.

Jerome Shields
58 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:47:51
If Ancelotti becomes Everton manager, make no mistake – he is here for the money and will expect to have money to spend. He will also know that immediate results will need to go with the aim of getting Everton into the top four.

Money must be made available by Moshiri, possibly with the help of Usmanov. But the objective is the same as before – to introduce money into the Club, this time by buying a proven manager and give him money to spend.

The previous objective was to buy a under the radar Manager and then step up the transfer budget and give filmstar contracts to entice players to join Everton. This was unsuccessful costing millions. This policy morphed into a three year plan, which now appears not to going to be continued with. The downside of this was the aftertaste of players of reduced transfer value on high wages contracts, that no-one wanted; Deadwood.

I can't see any logical plan at Everton presently. Certainly not a plan to build a top four Club, with regular Champions League participation.

Billy Roberts
59 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:49:32
Andy @48,

How refreshing to hear an Evertonian on ToffeeWeb have a genuine change of heart, no gripes, no grudge kept against fellow posters, no ifs, buts or maybes.

Well said, Andy, and let's hope Ancelotti continues this very concrete change of mindset at Everton – this is very exciting, promising times isn't it.

Jerome Shields
60 Posted 17/12/2019 at 21:54:37
Don #51,

I agree. But I wonder how Duncan stuck in there for so long and kept his opinions to himself.

Hugh Jenkins
61 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:03:42
Lots of talk about the possibilities of Moyes or Hughes et al's names being bandied about in the last few weeks.

Everyone seems to be overlooking the point that when that was the case - Ancellotti was still fully employed by Napoli.

He only became available last week and then came immediately into the frame.

Julian Wait
62 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:16:00
Ancelotti supposedly likes 4-4-2 or variants thereof …
Phil Martin
63 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:19:41
@Jerome 58,

"I can't see any logical plan at Everton presently."

I'd argue hiring one of the top 2 or 3 managers in the world and backing him to bring in good players a fine strategy.

Justin Doone
64 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:40:57
Previously said his appointment doesn't excite me. Not sure why but I just get the feeling it's simply the start of another 2 year cycle.

I will be happy if we get him, rather than taking silly risks with Arteta, Howe, Wilder etc. He's far better than Koeman, Sam or Silva so many positives. Although I get a 'distant Koeman' feeling about him.

Our managerial appointments and player recruitment appear to flip from one extreme to the other, slow possession based recruiting tidy passers then flip to direct forward balls let's get some pacey forwards.

Yet we have failed to land the players we have needed for 3 years or more: A beast at centre-back, a real commanding leader with Pace, awareness and communication. A striker, a proper physical, mobile, hard working striker that can score with his head or feet.

In general we need skill and pace as a basic commodity. With it simple football can bring success. We don't need to outpass, out play or have greater possession. We need to win by playing forward, create chances and to score goals.

So I hope it's not 2 years later, 𧶀 million wasted, another managerial question mark.

Brands is supposed to be looking long term at players and coaches to develop a modern style that stays similar and therefore leads to less churn of players. I don't see any evidence of this yet but early days I suppose.

Colin Glassar
65 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:47:41
Juventus - AC Milan, Real Madrid, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern Munich, Napoli - Everton? Some seem to think he's not good enough for us. Strange.
Raymond Fox
66 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:51:24
Well all the signs are that this is going to happen.

I'm surprised I have to say, I can only think that our Carlo has been promised some star players will also be on our shopping list. That suits me fine, that can only be a win, win for us poor speckies.

Lets just hope it now doesn't go all pear-shaped.

Chris Mason
67 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:55:08
What's this about being here for the money (rather than a love for the club)?

It's neither.

At the top end of town this money is chicken feed.

And we've seen that our ‘custodians' who love the club are often accused of destroying rather than leading us forward.

This is about a highly decorated winning manager, the likes of which we've seen once or twice in our history, joining up to make us highly competitive over the next few years. While Brands finishes the overhaul of the rest of the football club.

Jerome Shields
68 Posted 17/12/2019 at 22:55:34
Phil #63,

It's going to take more than a big-name manager to achieve a top four finish and Champions League football at Everton.

Chris Mason
69 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:00:26
And as for this stuff about him being a ‘finishing touch' manager - maybe he's looking at Everton as a new context and new challenge? I refuse to believe that Ancelotti is so one-dimensional - rather his extraordinary success means his work has only taken place at top teams, not struggling teams.

This is different- and if it happens let's support him and his team.

Justin Doone
70 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:07:46
What is Ancelotti's style of football?

At Chelsea he had some truly world class players but I'm not sure how he changed or expected them to play compared to previous managers.

Is he just a lucky manager, because I'd be more than happy to have some luck in winning the FA Cup.

Can we all agree that FFP rules may exist but they are poor, inconsistent and currently only something we aspire to be worried about.

Eugene Ruane
71 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:08:39
One (idle) thought that occurred today re Duncan Ferguson's substitution of Kean at Man Utd last Sunday

Should Ancelotti arrive, he will no doubt quickly take stock of what he has re players/coaches.

One of his players will be Moise Kean who (apart from having 4.5 years left on his contract) cost the club 㿉 mill.

Now if Kean presents himself titty lip-style to Carlo and states "il grande mostro della Scozia deve andarsene se vuoi che rimanga" (ie: fuck the big Scots twat off or I go) that substitution could possibly turn out very expensive for Big Dunc.

We've seen many times in recent years that when it comes to 'power', the players actually now seem to have most of it.

Like I say, just a thought.

Dave Williams
72 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:22:31
Justin #64,

I am the same. I know his record, I know his reputation and I know I should be so excited about this but my feeling is one of unease.

If he flops it will cost us a fortune in compo, he is likely to blow a lot of money on players and I do hope he won't go for the older age group and ignore youth.

Yes, we have to show ambition and this is certainly ambitious but I wish it was Arteta or Duncan.

Hopefully my inexplicable unease will quickly evaporate with a few early wins including one at Anfield.

Jamie Crowley
73 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:27:36
Completely off topic.

Fellow Yanks. The game tomorrow is on ESPN+. My wife, bless her, told me to cancel ESPN+ because, "You never use it."

True nuff.

Now, ESPN+ wants $50 in the guise of an annual membership, for me to be able to stream.

Does anyone know of a cheaper offering? Maybe a monthly or per-game fee? Or do you HAVE to sign up for the entire year?

Tom Bowers
74 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:30:05
Let's get one thing straight, the priority is to get to a healthy position in the Prem. from the one they are currently in. There is quite a scramble going on at the moment with only woeful Watford looking like sure fire losers.

Everton need to get above teams like Brighton and Palace as from what I saw yesterday they are both piss-poor. Whatever it takes to secure a manager of the Ancellotti calibre then it must be done. There are precious few with his credentials available at this time of the season so if he is to be lured by big money then go for it.

They are all in it for the money so I don't blame him or any players holding out for the best deal they can get. Wouldn't any of us if we could in any job. On a side not, does everyone agree that the Mickey Mouse cup should be deep-sixed after watching that farce today.

Hardly a player out there who had any real playing time with their first teams except 2 or 3 with Villa and this was a quarter final. Why would you pay full admission to watch 2nd. or 3rd. stringers.

Bob Parrington
75 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:35:14
Eugene, I hope you're gut feel is wrong but you're sure right about the player power.

Don@51 - been in agreement with the "bad egg" in there, somewhere thing. When it comes to light the bad egg will be quietly moved on, I expect. Ankle chains please!

Jamie Crowley
76 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:37:17
Never mind. Wife signed me up for the Disney family of streaming - $12.99 per month, cancel any time.

Damn rodent.

Good to go on the 'morrow.

Phil Gardner
77 Posted 17/12/2019 at 23:53:23
Dunno what's made me more excited, Ancelotti coming or the return of Eugene...buzzin'...
Alexander Murphy
78 Posted 18/12/2019 at 00:17:46
Yesterday (17th) was My birthday.

A week today it's Xmas.

I'm in a winter wonderland.

Big Dunc just has to be in the mix. Any incoming manager would want the influence that he generates with "The Grand Old Lady" and the players.

I watched Dunc walking round "God's Acre" carrying his kiddie when he was ending his career, fuck, did I have a lump in My throat and a tear in My eye. Some players just connect with us troops, don't they?

He was way behind the rest, he really was letting it all sink in. I wasn't watching the rest. I was watching a man who adores his football club cherishing a powerful moment. Frankly, it was fucking heartbreaking. I damn near cried. I adore Big Dunc. He is Me as an Everton Player. He's brought it all back again, for Me.

There are many other, but, bear with Me please:
Some are grafters (Lee Carsley?)
Some are worldies (Andrei Kanchelskis?)
Some are "just one of us" (Sir Derek of Mountfield)
Some become "one of us", Duncan Ferguson.

So, Mr Ancelotti, KEEP Duncan, DGAF about why, just keep Duncan. He's your special move.

I FUCKIN' LOVE Big Dunc!

Ed Prytherch
79 Posted 18/12/2019 at 01:35:00
Jamie, My son and I trade passwords and I am using his ESPN+ but before I log on I get an offer of $4.95/month, cancel any time.
Bill Watson
80 Posted 18/12/2019 at 02:26:05
As we anxiously wait on Ancelotti there's the comforting thought that Moyes or Hughes are still in the frame as a fall-back position!!
Ian Linn
81 Posted 18/12/2019 at 02:42:48
Jamie Crowley #73 I find all the games on the internet and cast them from my Chromebook onto the telly.

Usually take a little clicking but it's free.

Ed Prytherch
82 Posted 18/12/2019 at 03:18:11
Ian, some of those free sites are pretty dodgy, trying to load spyware, etc onto your computer.
Phil Wood
83 Posted 18/12/2019 at 03:22:55
This is brilliant news if it all comes off.

Alan Brazil was moaning only 2 weeks ago that Moshiri was not the main man behind Everton. Even though we have always known that Usmanov was in the background I wonder if Brazil has heard he is about to break cover.

Even so if all true then the hard work is only just starting.

We would still have to rebuild to take on the usual suspects plus a re-assurgent money spending Chelsea and Spurs.

This just doesn't happen overnight.

Jay Harris
84 Posted 18/12/2019 at 03:23:13
Jamie,

$5/month for ESPN right through to the final.

Get your wallet out boy.

Jamie Crowley
85 Posted 18/12/2019 at 03:48:39
Ian and Ed -

TY for the options.

I tested out the ESPN+ app airplaying from my Ipad to the TV.

Good to go. Wife seems happy dropping $156 a year for the annual Disney thingy, via a get-out-of-jail cancel anytime, $12.99 per month subscription.

As long as the ESPN + comes with it for tomorrow, I don't care! 😜

Ian - I tried the free route for a few years. I just can't do it. Drove me absolutely mad. A bazillion pop-up things with the tiniest of Xs to get rid of them - most of them faux Xs so the virus or bullshit link hits. I don't know how you do it man!

TY both. Let's get to the semi finals. Beat Leicester, draw Villa, to the final. End the silverware drought under Ancelotti and send a statement to the footballing world: the bear has been poked, and woke from his slumber.

Jamie Crowley
86 Posted 18/12/2019 at 03:50:02
Jay -

Done and dusted! COYB

Laurie Hartley
87 Posted 18/12/2019 at 04:40:33
Phil # 77 - it is also good to see, John Daley and Jay Wood back. All we need now is for Phil Walling to make a return. Come on Phil I know your out there.
Chad Schofield
88 Posted 18/12/2019 at 06:10:06
Not great in my opinion.

Very best scenario is that Ancelotti comes in for 2-5 years, wins everything (by magic) and Ferguson through osmosis and the shroud of Carlo goes on to take us to twenty five years of top flight success.

In reality, the direction lurches again in another direction. We spend £20-50m in Jan, close to £150m in summer under Ancelotti, breaching FFP. His priority is getting paid, promoting his son as Assistant while keeping second assistant Dunc at arms length as he loyally gnashes his teeth.

Within three years results start going awry Carlo and co go off to China for a final super pay day while we pay the remainder of what's left on their contracts.

Ferguson/Unsworth/Jeffers/Baines takes over for a handful of games, we start bring back some pride post Ancelotti... we hire Wenger or 'poach' Lampard after things didn't work out at a few places, but he's recently been playing pretty stuff at Coventry.

I think we're going to (once again) regret this, sadly.

Still welcome Carlo Ancelotti, if it's true.

Paul Smith
89 Posted 18/12/2019 at 06:19:58
Chad, the only thing missing from your post is Moyes coming back to replace Carlo.
Graham Coldron
90 Posted 18/12/2019 at 06:23:04
The Daily Mail is saying that Ancelotti is now delaying matters due to transfer concerns. Hopefully there is no credence to this and it's just the Mail being shithouses, as per usual.
Jerome Shields
91 Posted 18/12/2019 at 06:43:54
It is expected that Ancelotti's appointment will result in a rebuilt top four Everton and a rebuilt Stadium. High expectations and an inevitably higher budget required, with nothing guaranteed.
Bob Parrington
92 Posted 18/12/2019 at 07:02:53
Graham, I learned many years ago to take with a pinch of salt what the Mail and other rags state as fact. Then I came to Australia, the land of milk and honey, only to find that most of the daily rags are even worse. It's all Murdoch's fault.

Chad, a smoke of good quality weed might help your depression but the effect won't last long enough for you to find out the result???

I've followed Everton since 1953 and been through really good times but the last 25 years or so have been a nightmare. A good stiff single malt helps, too! Hopefully we'll get it right this time. At least the Mosh seems to be a trier!
It's Wednesday evening here in Adelaide and it's 42 Deg C. There's not a lot one can do when it's this hot (3rd day of this on the trot).
So, here's an alternative to the weed and the single malt. We call it the "Happy Drink", which is suited to this time of year when the limes are ripening in the garden. A margarita! (a proper one. Not the crap one gets in the pub).
That was good. So 3 - 1 win vs Leicester and 2 - 0 win vs Arsenal.
Ancelotti then takes over from Big Dunc!! Results to be announced!

John Keating
93 Posted 18/12/2019 at 07:14:05
If he signs on later this week, then brilliant. If it takes another couple of days more then so be it. Ancelotti is no fool, far from it. He will have done his homework and know what's been going on here. He will not risk putting his name and reputation on the line unless he was sure he could sort us out.

Regardless, I'm sure Dunc will still get the Arsenal game and if Ancelotti is named before the game, the atmosphere will be electric.

Colin Glassar
94 Posted 18/12/2019 at 07:21:47
Ancellotti will finalise his severance package with Napoli this week before he takes charge on Boxing Day. No need to panic, or rush, we are in safe hands with Big Dunc for the time being.

Earth shattering events await us as Ibrahimovic, Maartens and Koulibali expected in the January window. Spasibo comrade Usmanov.

Enjoy your drink Bob. It's 2C here. ☹️☹️☹️

Tim Locke
95 Posted 18/12/2019 at 07:36:25
If this happens this is a cracking appointment. A real statement of intent from the club.

Although this sets expectations high, and it should, it is going to take time. Sadly our great club has slid backwards over times. We were under Moyes a top 8 side with top 6 intentions. Martínez came in and we all got excited about the fast, flowing football, we were going to become the Barca of England. After a cracking first season, we regressed. Martínez left us a top 8 side.

In came Koeman, who looked to be building, but, after a very tricky open fixture list, was shown the door. Sam did nothing for us, leaving us a top 8 side. Silva came in and bought some nice players but we have gone backwards under him and we are now a top 10 side at best.

Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Leicester City, Wolves, Tottenham and Burnley are all better teams than us. Add in half of the promoted sides, who do well, plus sides like Newcastle, who have potential to be top 10, and you can see the uphill battle ahead of us.

If we think a new manager is going to make us top four overnight, we are mistaken. We need to get back to being a top 8 side pushing top 6 and then top 6 pushing top 4. I would say we are 2 seasons off that at best and we are competing with Man Utd, Arsenal and Tottenham to do it. Throw in Wolves and Burnley into the mix and you can see how difficult a task this is.

Our inability to build anything in the last 6 years has seen others leave us miles behind while others have overtaken us.

This appointment has the potential to take us forward. We as fans need to back him for the next four years. He is a seasoned winner and on paper should take us forward, it's a long road ahead but I am hoping in 3 or 4 years we are talking about how to break into the top 4 again rather than how to break out of the relegation zone.

Steve Carter
96 Posted 18/12/2019 at 08:35:10
Tim, I cannot let that lie:

1. Moyes is the best manager we have had in the Premier League era.

2. If not replaced when they were, Martinez, Koeman and Silva would have seen us in the Championship.

3. Sam did his job: see 2. We owe him.

Chris James
97 Posted 18/12/2019 at 08:51:09
This is going to be an expensive mistake.

Big manager yes but not at all the right fit for our current position which is all about rebuilding the core character and playing style of the club. Ancelotti success has been entirely about tinkering with an already strong setup to go that last yard from challengers to champions, he has no recent record of rebuilding or even a sustained presence. He will also be very expensive both in personal wages and transfer.

We need to get some heart and fight and identity back to the club, not another load of fancy new tactics from foreign leagues. Ferguson has offered the owners a total free-hit on a different approach and in just a matter of days it has paid dividends in terms of performance, organisation, fan engagement and of course results. I genuinely don't understand why we wouldn't take advantage of that and at least see where it goes for a few weeks.

Les Moorcroft
98 Posted 18/12/2019 at 08:57:43
Justin @70,

I would sooner have a lucky manager than a good one. I'd sooner have a lucky team than a good one. Look across the park; it feels like all the breaks (luck) they get helps! And no, I am not saying they're a bad side. But a little or a lot of luck helps.

James Hughes
99 Posted 18/12/2019 at 09:19:40
When Ancelotti left Chelsea after winning the double, the players had a whip-round and bought him a Rolex.

When Benitez left Chelsea after winning the Europa League, players had a whip- round and pissed in his petrol tank!!
I know who I would rather have at our club...

Tim Locke
100 Posted 18/12/2019 at 09:21:49
Steve - maybe I missed it but do you agree the club failed to build after Moyes and is now worse than it was when under him?
Jonathan Tasker
101 Posted 18/12/2019 at 09:23:20
Nothing will change until Kenwright has gone.

Ancelotti is doing his due diligence and that almost certainly will ask why is Kenwright still there. And is it necessary to retain Ferguson?

One day, I'll get my Everton back... but I'm not holding my breath.

Loving the speculation about Usmanov above with absolutely no back-up Yes, there's always one and I don't mind if it's me.

Steve Ferns
102 Posted 18/12/2019 at 09:30:24
We owe Moyes? What a load of crap. Was he working for free? Spot of voluntary work to help the good people of Liverpool? Or was he one of the highest paid managers in world football, in the top 10 I believe. He used us as springboard to bigger and better things. We owe him nothing. It's not our fault he crashed and burned.

Sure, he did a very good job in stabilising the club and giving it a platform upon which Martinez briefly built a far superior side winning SEVEN more points than Moyes, winning more games than Moyes, and winning games Moyes didn't even try to win.

Since then Moyes's career has fallen apart, because he is not good enough. He is not the man you remember. His hair is grey now, he looks tired, his tactics are tired, and everyone has his number. His win percentage at his last three clubs is relegation standard.

Leave Moyes in the past.

Martin Mason
103 Posted 18/12/2019 at 09:30:46
A manager or player is as good as his last few games – not as good as he has been at some times in the past. I can't help but think we're buying goods past their sell-by date. Our record so far in selecting managers has been abysmal and I think we're continuing down that path.
Gary Carter
105 Posted 18/12/2019 at 09:40:33
Chris James, what utter garbage, there is no transfer fee for Ancelotti and why are you so concerned about what he's paid? It's not you paying it. As for fancy new tactics from a foreign manager, you do know his “fancy tactics” have already won him the Premier League, right?

And Ferguson, as much as I like the fact he is manager as he was a hero in a very bleak time, his tactics are akin to watching an Allardyce team but we afford him this because of his cult status and that he's one of us; a few losses in a longer stint and people will be on his back.

Not to mention he's already said he doesn't want the job full time because he's not ready, which he showed by ignoring Moise Kean when he took him off on Sunday.

Steve Ferns
106 Posted 18/12/2019 at 09:46:41
Martin, Ancelotti finished 2nd with Napoli last season. The metrics showed it was deserved. He remoulded Sarri's side to make it more defensively solid having lost a key component of the side in Jorginho. Despite losing Jorginho, the man who made rapid transition possible, Ancelotti was able to continue to ensure that Napoli were still an attacking force, as backed up by the numbers for attacking metrics.

The concern is not whether Ancelotti still has it. He still does. It's that this Everton side need coaching, it's a project whereby you need to make players better than they are over a number of years and to build a side slowly. It's not something Ancelotti has done for a very long time, and the question is does he have the desire to put in the hard work that's needed.

Of course, he can circumvent this, and he can utilise other good coaches, with his son in amongst them, and they can do the heavy lifting, Ancelotti should have no problem attracting good young coaches, with fresh ideas, and a willingness to work with him, to learn from him.

What no one disputes is that Ancelotti is a tactical mastermind. Italian coaches are schooled in tactics from a very young age. The Italian game is famous for its slow pace, and tactical moves from the sidelines. Italians therefore need to be masters of tactics to reach the top and Ancelotti is king amongst them.

What sets him apart from his peers is his longevity, and this is due to his willingness to change. What formation will he play? No one can be sure because he does not have a set formation, he will change depending on players and the opposition. He embraces tactical shifts within the game and so is not left behind. What's his identity? Again no one can be sure.

For example, he came in to Bayern, and he tried to imitate Guardiola and he kept Bayern ticking over to win the double, making more minor tweaks than seismic ones. He did the same at Napoli, shifting slightly from Sarri-ball but retaining the fundamentals. The biggest shift was to lose the 4-3-3 and go 4-4-2 as he tried to cope with the loss of Jorginho, around whom Sarri had built his side.

At Real Madrid, he hardly changed anything, and just allowed the team to carry on as before, bringing out the best in Cristiano Ronaldo Aveiro. The result being that he ended the Real Madrid hoodoo and landed the "Decima" for them playing their traditional 4-3-3.

Martin Mason
107 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:06:44
Fair comment, Steve.
James Marshall
108 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:10:52
Are you boys still arguing about this? Come on chaps, let's all get into the spirit of things and dare to dream!

I'm reading we're about to sign Zlatan as well!

James Marshall
110 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:19:02
What I find interesting is Steve Fearns deep knowledge of literally every player or manager that gets a mention on here. It's amazing that one person could know so much about so many people, places, timelines, tactics, you name it, Steve knows all about it.

Isn't the Internet wonderful?

Phil Greenough
111 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:25:01
May I ask what is so hard, physically or mentally, about managing or coaching a football team? Ancelotti is 60 and given that he's an ex pro, the training with the players shouldn't be an issue.

If what most people say about Ancelotti is correct, he's not doing it for the money, so it begs the question, why does he want to manage Everton? Something must be attractive to him, to make him want to live in the North-West of England, besides the weather.

I can only see the advantages of having one of the top five managers in Europe come to manage to my club. Nothing is guaranteed in life, but having Ancelotti on board certainly increase our chances of success.

Brent Stephens
112 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:26:49
Steve #106 - if and when we do appoint Ancelotti, it would be good to have an article from you that brings together your various posts etc about him. Is it called "serving your articles"?
James Marshall
113 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:27:11
Phil - to be fair, he's probably doing it for the money.

Show me the roubles.

Jimmy Hogan
114 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:29:27
Steve #106,

Please don't big Ancellotti up too much. Remember what happened to the last fella you were a fan of :-)

Steve Ferns
115 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:33:33
James, I have no deep knowledge. Just because you cannot be bothered going and learning about people yourself, doesn't mean others cannot. As you said, isn't the internet wonderful. There's hundreds of Ancelotti's games on there, match reports for most of his 1,000 games in charge, then there's his two books he wrote. If you want to find out about the man then you can.

I have said time and again, I watch English football and Portuguese football. I have a casual interest in Serie A due to the soap operas that surround the teams, which is far more interesting than what happens on the pitch.

Phil, I think he could find an easier job on better money. China for example. As for what's so hard, nothing. But most of the older managers get fed up of the grind of day-to-day training. Sir Alex Ferguson could go 4 days without standing on the sidelines at training in his final seasons. Don't forget though, these days you can video it all. Everton use drones, as most teams do, to give a top down view of training so players' movement can be viewed back.

Don't forget, they all wear those black sports bras which contain the heart rate monitor and GPS trackers. Ancelotti could watch the lot from the warmth of his office that overlooks the training pitch on a variety of screens.

Colin Metcalfe
116 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:34:42
Wow! “We owe Moyes” I have seen it all now!

Also, out of curiosity, all those who don't want Ancelotti – who would you get in instead?

Or would you like to carry on with Ferguson and his Neanderthal tactics which, to be fair, have given the club a life over the past week... but it's not something I would like to see every week.

James Marshall
117 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:37:08
Yes, Steve, we're lucky to have you to do all the leg-work for us on the Internet. Which was exactly my point. You clearly spend a lot of time looking stuff up, where I can't be arsed, you're right!

I actually find it quite helpful to read your posts, I was only taking the piss gently, mate. :)

Brent Stephens
118 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:37:11
James #110 - "Isn't the Internet wonderful?"

In fairness, James, how do most of us get our information on all things football? We read ToffeeWeb. We read the papers. We listen to the pearls of wisdom from Carragher (well, you know what I mean). We google - and google - and google. We read books and articles. We're second- or third-hand purveyors of knowledge (or just information).

Most of us have posted an opinion on various managers on here but probably most is based on second- or third-hand information. It's what you do with the information.

Steve Ferns
119 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:37:12
Jimmy, if it was up to me, I'd hire Leonardo Jardim. I don't think Carlo Ancelotti is the right man for what we need right now. However, it looks like he is the man we are to appoint. So we all need to get on board. The club needs unity and the price of failure of the Carlo Ancelotti regime, particularly if we back him significantly in the transfer market, does not bear thinking about.
Jim Bennings
120 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:40:03
Colin

I think Ferguson would evolve the play eventually, try not to forget that we had FIVE central midfielders out ill or injured at Old Trafford.

Ancelotti has a fantastic record but he's worked at clubs where the world class players (and I do mean genuinely world class) were already set in place.

I don't honestly think anyone can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse and I'd be amazed if the football under Ancelotti was that much better than we've witnessed in this past turbulent four years.

At the end of the day, it's about winning and results and whatever manager we have. If they perfect that art then fans will love him.

Steve Ferns
121 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:41:56
Fair enough, James. Not many people are as dull as me and want to watch the training videos of Carlo Ancelotti at Bayern, trying to learn what he will or will not do at Everton, and those ones actually mean very little as they know they are being filmed and do not want to give anything away to the opposition.
Jimmy Hogan
122 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:43:52
Steve #119, Me too. I fear that we are just chucking money at the problem.

Ancelotti seems to be good at turning "nearly" teams into winners, but we are nowhere near being a nearly team. I will, of course, get behind him if he takes the job. I just hope it is a Brands pick and not Moshiri dreaming of silverware and about to lose his shirt again.

Derek Thomas
123 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:51:23
When it was Ferguson vs has-beens, Rafa, unproven, or just plain no-marks, with the odd foreigner just in it for the money, thrown in for bad measure... I wanted Ferguson. Because all the usual suspects were nothing too special.

But, if this Ancelotti thing comes off – well, that will be special... and if it works, it will be super special.

If it doesn't, you won't be able to move for 'I really wanted Ferguson' claimants. Well, I really did. But jeez, you can't look this gift horse in the mouth, can you?

Sam Hoare
124 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:52:59
Like Steve, I'm not convinced that he is the right fit but he is surely the most successful manager our club has appointed in the modern era.

For ages, people on here have been saying that we need a winner. Well, it looks like we now have one. Let's see if it's as simple as that.

Steve Ferns
125 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:53:39
Jim #120, do you not get the feeling that Duncan has been kept at arm's length under the previous regimes? He had nice things to say about Roberto Martinez who got him into the first team setup and he was defensive of Sam Allardyce (which implies he was involved there).

Ancelotti has a history of coming into clubs and assimilating the coaching staff that is already there. This is mainly because he uses them so he can hit the ground running. An example of this is Hermann Gerland and Paul Clement at Chelsea, who he then took to Real Madrid. Even more significant was the fact that it was Carlo Ancelotti who got Zidane front and centre at Real Madrid.

Hopefully, Ferguson will now be utilised fully by Ancelotti. And if so, he can learn from one of the best. Particularly as he won't merely be watching Marco Silva or Roberto Martinez take the lead. He won't be stood watching on with Koeman as Erwin Koeman takes the lead. Carlo Ancelotti should have him running the sessions whilst he watches on.

So, Duncan has a very big opportunity here. Let's hope it works out for him too, and like Real Madrid, when Ancelotti leaves, our assistant manager (or coach) can step into the breach.

James Marshall
126 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:54:04
To be fair, if Everton can't make a success of having Don Carlo and Uncle Alisher at the helm, we might as well pack it all in and forget football forever.
Phil Greenough
127 Posted 18/12/2019 at 10:56:58
I take your point about the training, Steve, but not about taking on easier roles or locations.

There is no kudos in managing teams in China and learning Chinese, would make the job hard. I don't know what his salary will be if he does come to Everton, but I think it'll be commensurate with what Arsenal will be offering him.

Steve Ferns
128 Posted 18/12/2019 at 11:05:42
James, some of my viewing for last night included this interview with Davide Ancelotti, son of Carlo and prospective coach. His German is excellent and shows he is a linguist, and it's confirmed that he can also speak English and Spanish (like his Dad).


Maybe Phil, but we weren't talking Kudos, we were talking him getting an easy job on big money. If Carlo Ancelotti does come here, I do not believe he is coming purely for the money. He is coming to do a job. I also believe he will have done his homework, he will have discussed things with his son in particular and will have a plan about how they can get Everton to the top. I would doubt Carlo has come here merely to take Everton to 6th, I would bet he thinks he can win things.

Also, it occurred to me that perhaps he wants to leave a legacy. Perhaps that legacy is that Davide Ancelotti succeeds him and lands the Everton job after him. That would be impossible somewhere else, of the size of club he usually manages, but say he takes us to 4th, he may step down, and take an advisory role and let his son take control. That could be an attraction for him at Everton?

George Carroll
129 Posted 18/12/2019 at 11:22:05
If we do get Ancelotti, let's hope we Evertonians are patient and give him time to build a team that we can be proud of after all these years in the wilderness.
Christopher Timmins
130 Posted 18/12/2019 at 11:24:36
Steve Ferns, when Brands came to Goodison Park it was my understanding that his role was to determine the style of play and following on from that to then identify the players and coach who would best implement this style. Given the stature of the manager we are hopefully going to bring on board do you think that Brands now has a changed job description?

With Carlo, surely it will be a case of acquiring players who are ready to go rather than ones who are younger but maybe with potential for improvement with good coaching?

Steve Ferns
131 Posted 18/12/2019 at 11:28:52
We'll have to wait and see Christopher. Someone reminded me the other day that Brands has worked with Van Gaal before, and this (on a much smaller scale) has some similarities. Ancelotti might be in a hurry, but you hope the club will learn the lessons of Walsh and Koeman and not make those mistakes again.
James Marshall
132 Posted 18/12/2019 at 11:34:42
Steve, his son seems like a smart kid, much like his dad. I get the feeling we'd be getting a really high quality coaching team, and not just a manager in Don Carlo.

I've been beating the drum for years that Everton needs to modernise, and stop relying on the past (our 'istory) to make ourselves appear relevant. As Moshiri said, Everton is a museum, a relic of a byegone age, and this appointment to me, feels like a step in the right direction at last.

Evertonians are an admirable group of people, but they are stuck in the past.

Kim Vivian
133 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:01:20
Steve @119 - But of course - he's Portugese.
James Marshall
134 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:14:33
Ancelotti has arrived in Naples to iron out his contract issues with the Napoli president: Link
James Marshall
135 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:16:10
Also: Per Corriere Dello Sport, Carlo Ancelotti is signing a four and a half year deal until 2024 and this will be worth €6m per year, although that figure includes his staff. The whole ‘engagement' will set Everton back €27m.

Not that much money in the grand scheme of things, when you look at transfer costs for players these days.

John Pierce
136 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:37:19
So the contract length is the enticement for me. The amount of money is promised had Deffo has turned Carlos head!

I don't read the contract as a nod to a ‘project'. I've always said it's about the here and now. A manager who can deal with the club fans expectations etc. and win.

I believe Ancelotti is just that.

Steve Ferns
137 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:46:01
Quite a few of us would have been happy with Mikel Arteta. Myself included. Arsenal fans on twitter are going nuts over hiring a novice when we are getting Carlo Ancelotti. The football world seems in a state of shock, and everyone is talking about it. That tells me that this is a smart move. It puts us back on the map. It should also open doors to players that we would not otherwise have got to speak to.

There's big risk over both Arteta and with Ancelotti, but it seems the much greater risk is with Arteta and Arsenal could see themselves in trouble for some time if this does not pay off.

It's great to be on the verge of hiring a manager the rest of football seems to think we have no right to hire. Meantime, looks like Moyes is off to West Ham!

Peter Neilson
138 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:51:07
Steve (138) reported this morning that some of Arsenal's senior players have appealed to the board to appoint Ancelotti. Player power in action. Hopefully they're told to concentrate on playing not running the club.
James Marshall
139 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:52:16
Arteta would surely implement a Guardiola style of play? Just an assumption on my part, but it seems likely.

We don't have the players for that. I would suggest Ancelotti is more suited to Everton in that regard.

Steve, I agree with you entirely on that part about exposure - Everton is a stuffy old club covered in the dust of history. We need a shake-up, and need to reinvent ourselves as a modern day big time club if we ever want to achieve anything. A large part of that is hiring top-class management, coaching and playing staff.

Enough of this loser mentality, or lower league scouting for players and managers. Let's face it, Arteta is a novice and therefore a small-time thought in my view.

Steve Brown
140 Posted 18/12/2019 at 12:53:16
It is mainly Liverpool supporters like Carragher who are saying Ancelotti might not be the right 'fit' for what we need right now. Decoded, what they mean is a) That is an unbelievable coup b) how the hell did that happen? c) they might actually challenge us now d) if we cast doubt they might still hire an ex player with no managerial experience or another Silva e) gulp.

And since just about every pundit is an ex-red and sports editor a red shite supporter, let's screen out their propaganda and thank god we might be about to hire one of the greatest coaches of the modern era.

Eric Myles
141 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:07:07
"If we have enticed him here, it must have come with some level of guarantee that we as a club can match his ambitions."

Fran #10, surely the prerequisite is that he shows he can match OUR ambitions?

Jamie Crowley
142 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:10:59
We have to win this. I'm pulling my 10 year old out of school to watch with his Old Man, along with 3 other brothers home from college. Can't bear the thought of a loss.

Vardy scares the bajeezuz out of me. He's such a fantastic player to watch, only when he's not playing against you. We need to play deep. Give them the ball, hit them on the counter, same as previous two games.

If this is Duncan's last game as caretaker, I want him going out having never lost. The man deserves it.

Bear pit tonight. Nailed on bear pit. Can the fans raise this dilapidated team playing on short rest?

You bet they can.

Brian Harrison
143 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:12:44
I just hope that Moshiri or Usmanov or whoever is looking after this business is tying up all the loose ends so their is no chance of Arsenal changing their mind over Arteta and going for Ancelotti. I think our fan base over the years have had enough of let downs, just make sure the excitement that most Blues feel isn't taken away from us.

There is absolutely no comparison between Arteta and Ancelotti, one has won everything as a manager, the other has absolutely no experience of managing a football club. The difference between being an assistant to managing is massive, there is more to managing than just coaching the players that go on the field every week.

Arteta has had no tough decisions to make, as a coach that's all he does. He hasn't had to deal with disgruntled agents moaning about their player not being happy, or worse wanting a move. Players on a good run wanting to increase their salary years before the current one expires. Players wives or children can't settle or wan't to move away.

Anthony Dove
144 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:14:11
All great news, Ancelotti coming, Duncan staying and consequentially no Moyes. Please don't wake me up yet.

Steve Ferns
145 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:14:20
Jamie, do you think your hero will play tonight?
Jamie Crowley
146 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:15:45
The biggest concerns with Ancelotti, for me:

Will his motivation wane over time?

Can he work with what he has, or are we going to need to spend Monopoly money to get him the players he wants?

Still, he's one hell of a manager and a massive name. I'm all-in with him. As if I have any choice or say in the matter.

Jamie Crowley
147 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:19:30
Steve -

Yes. He'll start I'll bet. If he doesn't, his attitude clearly stinks and Carlo needs to come in and sort the boy out, Italian-style.

I'm assuming you're speaking about Moise Kean? 😉

If you mean the MIGHTY Tom Davies, he's a shoe-in.

I currently have two simultaneous man-crushes going on.

For me tonight:

Pickford
Seamus Mina Keane Baines
Richarlison Davies Holgate Bernard
Calvert-Lewinn Kean

Allan Board
148 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:23:56
Surely this is all just conjecture until he is in charge? I would certainly never make any judgements or comments about a player and coach of such quality as Mr Ancelloti.

I would be very happy for Big Dunc till the end of the season, but just take a look at this fella's CV – he knows how to win trophies as a player and coach to serial proportions. Sometimes you just cannot argue against facts, pedigree and class.

I just think Everton have had so many false dawns, it's almost a reflex to find faults. A winner in charge will bring winners in, and I hardly think he will worry about the current predicament either, one can only imagine the pressures involved at AC Milan, Madrid, or Bayern where the expectation is to win all the time!

Let's see, but first Dunc will knock Leicester out later.

Tony Abrahams
149 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:28:42
Short notice Jamie, and it's an offer only to you, but I've got two tickets for the Burnley game, for you and your wife. Carlo's first game in charge hopefully, but probably way to soon for you to get over now mate.

Of course I want to be there, but the passion you show for the blues, will do for me every single time!

Simon Smith
150 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:31:53
Have people been reading the link to Zlatan???

Imagine him and Dunc getting into a face off! One an arrogant 6ft 3 black belt. the other one Dunc!

Robin Cannon
151 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:32:22
When Steve Ferns is talking about "the price of failure of the Ancelotti regime" (119) before we've even confirmed hiring him, then we've reached peak Everton.

"We can't hire that manager, he's been far too successful to be able to be successful at Everton."

Richard Duff
152 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:32:25
If/When Carlo comes, he'll be the first manager in my lifetime that's won the league in England and abroad as a manager. The first actual winner.

When did we last have a "Winner"? Someone who knows how to plan it, knows how to execute it, knows what it feels like to achieve it.

Let's say we finish top 8 at the end of this season, the summer transfer window will be transformed for us. If you're an emerging player with some reputation (but not quite stellar enough for the Champions League teams), wouldn't you want to play for the upward trend, sleeping giant being awoken by a winner?

I would sign for Carlo finishing 8th far quicker than Arteta finishing 6th.

Steve Ferns
153 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:34:07
Tony, expect to get many messages from many different "Jamie Crowleys", you'll be surprised by his accent!

Jamie, of course I meant Moyes, as you're president of his fan club. Although you do hold a torch for Skater Boi too.

Robin, did you miss the part where I said we need to get on board? I never said don't hire him as the cost of failure is too great, I think you need to read it more carefully.

Dermot O'Brien
154 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:46:03
Steve #140 Dead right. All the pundits especially Spitty can piss off.

Carlo is a top manager. His record speaks for itself. Of course it is a gamble. Every new manager is. But I'd rather gamble on a thoroughbred than on a donkey, no matter how many donkey derbies he has won.

If our players can't listen to or learn from Ancelotti then they should retire.

We're all probably getting ahead of ourselves but hopefully there's good times ahead.

UTFT.

Eric Myles
155 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:49:44
James #99, I'd have thought the Chelsea players could have bought Ancelotti a Rolex each, not between them.
Winston Williamson
156 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:54:01
My phone has been inundated with red noses asking if i'd be happy with Ancelotti as manager. I've replied with a non-committal shrug (emoji-style), as I don't want to appear small-time and too excited!

I can tell they're worried though. Worried we'll have a manager who knows how to beat them. Worried we will be spending big again, but with a manager who knows what he's doing. Worried our stadium is looking like a goer with planning being submitted next week.

I don't listen to or read or watch anything red nose related, including anything with a link to a former red, be that the author or the talker. It makes life easier to live with. They're generally full of shite anyway.

However, if we appoint Ancelotti, I will allow a couple of days of soaking in the red nose's worried reactions! Then back to the important business of getting behind the new gaffer...

We wanted ambition; if Ancelotti comes, we're getting ambition.

Dan Parker
158 Posted 18/12/2019 at 13:56:52
It says it all if kopites are worried. They're Champions League winners and top of the league, isn't that enough! We're a long way off from competing whoever the manager is.
James Marshall
159 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:12:56
It seems Arteta to Arsenal is a done deal. Don Carlo is in Naples tying up the loose ends of his contract with Napoli, and will sign on the dotted line at Everton tomorrow.
Andrew Ellams
160 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:13:02
Ancelotti would be the first man to join the club as manager who has won a major title with a club that's not Everton. I'm sure Howard Kendall on his returns is the only major title winning manager to join the club.
Eric Myles
161 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:14:35
Winston #156, I got in first and sent my RS mates this link

Link

Courtesy of Steve Ferns I think?

Jamie Crowley
162 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:16:00
Tony -

TY mate! Appreciate it. Five boys home for the holidays means no overseas trip.

We were going to make the journey, then the Mrs said she wanted a new kitchen. Ergo, the England trip bucket was kicked down the road.

The Burnley fan and I will be watching on the big screen on Boxing Day.

Winston Williamson
163 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:21:04
Excellent Eric!!
Dan Nulty
165 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:25:17
Sorry, just heard a rumour Zlatan to Everton from a mate. Presumably spoken to Carla. Better than probably all the forwards we have anyway?
Eric Myles
166 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:27:56
My concern about this rumour is that, once again, we're some stalking horse to get Ancelloti a better deal elsewhere (Arsenal?)
Kieran Kinsella
167 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:46:19
Would you hire Lewis Hamilton to drive an Uber at a high price if he was assigned the same old Ford Cortina with the brown plastic roof as his predecessor? Probably not.
Steve Ferns
168 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:48:43
It was Jay Wood, Eric.
Eric Myles
169 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:59:02
Sorry Jay.

Full credit to you for that great link from another thread.

Ron Marr
170 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:59:09
Arsene Wenger on Ancelotti:

"Well it was quite a surprise that he had to leave Napoli," Wenger said.

"Everton are looking for a manager as well. So overall he will be a tremendous catch for Everton”

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/arsene-wenger-mikel-arteta-ancelotti-17439981

Hope it happens.

Bill Gall
171 Posted 18/12/2019 at 14:59:59
Has he had his photo taken with the Everton scarf yet ? Was he seen in London ? Keeping an open mind, don't want my Xmas ruined with false journalism.
Dave Abrahams
172 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:01:39
Winston (156), it's like when the new ground at BMD was first getting serious, one kopite said to me, “ Don't you think you'd be better moving to Croxteth” this from a fan who couldn't give a fuck about Everton. I said to him “ Thanks for your concern, but Croxteth is freed up now, wouldn't you and your club like to move there”.

Same as dozens of them fans would tell me how good a manager Moyes was, I'd ask them if they'd like him to manage Liverpool, no takers there, except for one unfortunate fella, who has gone completely round the bend since.

John Pierce
173 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:07:54
Carlo's super bloos. Wins both cups and gets us relegated?! Then fooks off!?

Legend. Cannot wait to get on this ride. Off to the City to get tipsy 🥴.

Pat Kelly
174 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:11:59
Latest rumour is Ancelotti is wavering. He's not happy about the small stadium planned for BMD.
David Israel
175 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:21:00
Steve # 119, for all I care, Leonardo Jardim has the look of "a dour Scotsman", even though I believe he comes from Madeira. He reminds me of Walter Smith!
James Marshall
176 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:22:18
Look, Ancelotti has got to sort out his contract situation with Napoli first. I've said this about 20 times on here, so pay attention.

He's still contracted to Napoli until the end of the season, despite not being their manager anymore. He's in Naples today speaking to the Napoli president about ending the contract, and working out the pay-off etc.

Once all that is sorted he'll come back to the UK and sign for Everton. Clear? Good.

Brent Stephens
177 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:26:18
James, can you just run that past me one more time, so I'm clear?
James Marshall
178 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:27:33
Brent, sure - Carlo no sign yet.

Carlo sign soon.

Better? ;)

Brian Williams
179 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:34:52
So he's not signed yet then James?
Raymond Fox
180 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:35:48
I only hope this now comes off, there is still nothing official connected to it happening.

It does seem a little strange that Arsenal go for Arteta, never would have thought that would happen.
If Ancelotti does come he must have had some large assurances that he will have a standard of player he is used to managing.
Arteta is 1/33 to be Arsenals next manager, while there's no betting on who will be ours.

It does all still point to Mr Carlo Ancelotti esq. heading our way.

Brent Stephens
181 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:45:41
Better, James!
Tim Taylor
182 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:56:43
One of my old work mates I keep in touch with is a Chelsea season ticket holder. He shares a total disgust for the other team in the city, and even had the good grace to say he was glad it was us that tonked them in Duncan's first game. He still thinks Ancelotti was/is a fantastic manager - his favourite in his time. He's also seen most of our recent (televised) matches so has a reasonable view of the raw material. In his words he "doesn't share my pessimism" about the current squad and thinks CA would be able to work with them. Only one voice I know but just maybe.
Jamie Crowley
183 Posted 18/12/2019 at 15:57:27
I still can't understand what's taking so long?

God, Everton drag their feet with everything! 😂

Read, sarcasm, just in case you couldn't figure that out.

Tony Abrahams
185 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:01:25
No planes from Naples to Liverpool, Jamie, you have to go all over the world first, but hopefully that will change once Genero, gets that second airport built in the next series of Ghamora!
Sam Hoare
186 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:12:13
Looking very much like Arteta for Arsenal and Ancelotti for Everton. Think most might have predicted it the other way around.

My personal preference will always be for consistent, long term planning and younger, hungry coaches playing modern football but that approach has not worked for us over the last 5 years so I'm very curious to see what a man who has won almost everything can do.

Amit Vithlani
187 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:14:46
Looking forward to the arrival of the Arched Eyebrow
Jamie Crowley
188 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:27:18
That eyebrow is absolute killer.
John Pierce
189 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:31:12
Sam, I think we have to tread the path of a proven winner. We've never done it before, please anyone don't invoke Walter Smith at my door!

The power dynamics, culture and ways of working should be very different as this is a man who expects success.

It's got a lot that can go wrong and go sideways quickly, however if he gets the back room staff and some early transfer targets then I'd expect results quickly too.

This guy isn't a long haul merchant. Its go big or go home time for Moshiri.

**Moyes appointed the day after this post**

Rob Halligan
190 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:35:16
Private jet bringing Ancelotti to Liverpool airport so that he can attend the game tonight.
Brian Williams
191 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:37:13
No Rob, that's MY Lear mate.
Gordon Adie
192 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:38:31
Ancelotti isn't Merlin but I can understand why most are praying he can be. The squad needs a complete overhaul, which means much patience will be needed. The thing is, patience is in short supply on here and I can see screams for his dismissal in six months. I know I'll get pelters for this and while I hope I am wrong, somehow I know I won't be.
Sam Hoare
193 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:39:36
John, yes. It seems slightly at odds with the role of Brands who was (i thought) brought in to keep a consistency of management style and philosophy but its not everyday you get the chance to appoint a manager of Ancelotti's caliber and prestige.

I've always said before (when people were touting the likes of Mourinho) that appointing someone whose won alot at big clubs will not necessarily translate to success in mid-table battles. Someone like Pellegrini (whose successes are nothing compared to Ancelotti) might illustrate this with his struggles at West Ham.

But i'm very curious and a little excited. Presuming it happens!

James Marshall
194 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:44:30
Ancelotti relates to players - read online the comments from players he's managed and every one of them worship the ground he walks on.

He'll get Moise Kean fired up and be able to attract players to Everton that otherwise would be out of reach for us. *enter stage left, Zlatan*

Paul Tran
195 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:54:30
If/when he does come, how long will it take for the anonymous accusations of 'arrogance' from the vested interest insiders within the club?
Anthony Dove
196 Posted 18/12/2019 at 16:57:29
Dennis Ng
197 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:00:11
I'm very excited for Ancelotti to take over, and as much as I want Dunc to remain at the helm, there is no one better to guide Dunc over the next few years than Ancelotti, not to mention to build out team properly alongside Brands. Of course, nothing should be taken for granted and that there are risks associated with taking on someone who has not played below UCL for so many years. Still, he is the best option in my opinion at this very moment given our circumstance (bar a real relegation fight which I still think he is equipped to do).
Jamie Crowley
198 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:00:55
Paul Tran -

If he wins, they can throw whatever darts they want and they won't stick.

Anthony Dove
199 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:03:48
Zlatan would join a select list of one time greats who enjoyed one last payday at Goodison. Gascoigne Ginola
Sansom and Eto amongst others.
Tony Everan
200 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:14:37
Jamie 183

Probably don't want to detract from the focus on today's game. I expect it will be tomorrow or Friday when it is fully confirmed.

Bjoern Haall
201 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:30:12
What if we get Ancelotti and Zlatan. Then we will win the next derby. Ibra will destroy van Dyke and get even with Robertson for what he tried to do to Davis.
John Pierce
202 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:52:47
Are new manager is Herbert Lom 👁
John Pierce
203 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:55:19
Paul Tran
204 Posted 18/12/2019 at 17:57:59
Very true, Jamie!
Paul McCoy
205 Posted 18/12/2019 at 18:00:18
I'd quite like a manager who can stay employed for more than 18 months. We've reached Chelsea levels of embarrassing.
Steuart Hayes
206 Posted 18/12/2019 at 18:35:23
I've been told he has been in Liverpool for the last 3 days and he agreed as Usmanov is taking over, getting Zlatan in. He has been told he has money to spend in January, signing De Rossi from Roma and he wants Moise Kean to stay.
Paul Smith
207 Posted 18/12/2019 at 18:39:22
Some claim, Steuart, you on a wind-up?
Colin Glassar
208 Posted 18/12/2019 at 18:57:28
Is that Paolo Rossi, Stu? Must be about 60 now. We might get Del Piero and Roberto Baggio as well.
Steuart Hayes
209 Posted 18/12/2019 at 19:10:50
No Daniele de Rossi and yes, maybe... but other bits he has said have been right, so who knows?

Which bit is that far fetched? I think it's all realistic... but I'm not saying it's all true.

As for Usmanov, why sponsor a training ground? He is in the steel business; we are building a stadium. And Zlatan would be at no cost (apart from wages).

Tim Smith
210 Posted 18/12/2019 at 22:28:08
I'm afraid to say that I think this is yet another big mistake by our owner. Throwing money willy nilly at a manager (with the inevitable entourage) who is arguably past his best, plus who is used to top level players rather than re-building. I agree with the analysis of Dominic King in the Mail. I just hope I'm wrong.
Colin Glassar
211 Posted 18/12/2019 at 23:52:12
He'll be in the stands on Sunday and take his first training session on Monday. Confirmed
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

212 Posted 18/12/2019 at 23:58:26
"He'll be in the stands on Sunday"

He'll be very lonely then, Colin.

We play Arsenal on Saturday at 12.30pm.

Colin Glassar
213 Posted 19/12/2019 at 00:08:16
He probably wants to soak in the atmosphere. Oops
Bobby Mallon
214 Posted 19/12/2019 at 04:18:33
Oh Tim Smith,
Who do you want then. We have for once got probably one of if not the best manager in the world and you moan he may not be the right fit. Well let me tell you the last 5 didn't fit either.
Bob Parrington
215 Posted 19/12/2019 at 04:58:21
Phil @ 111 it's not managing/coaching a team that is difficult. It is getting it right more times than not!
Bob Parrington
216 Posted 19/12/2019 at 05:03:16
Who wants Zlatan? Arrogant and lazy - would piss every other player off.
Andrew Dempsey
217 Posted 19/12/2019 at 05:35:46
Do not get excited.
This will be our biggest financial disaster to date.
The wrong players will be bought for vast fees and put on massive wages, and Usmamov & co will be perplexed at why we're still finishing 9th in the League.
At least this time, when Ancelotti is sacked, in roughly two years from now, we know we've got a great caretaker manager ready to step in and save us from relegation.

That's my positive outlook on it, anyway.

Bob Parrington
218 Posted 19/12/2019 at 05:43:00
Colin @ 94. I did Thanks! trouble is it's already 43 C here now and the overnight minimum is reckoned for 32 C.
Might need another happy drink, eh?
Pity about last night's result. At least we've beaten Chesea, Drawn with Man Utd and drawn with Leicester in the last 3 games! Can't all be bad?
Paul Smith
219 Posted 19/12/2019 at 06:00:03
This is amazing if it happens absolutely astounded by people calling it a 'disaster' or 'our worst mistake' tell me what Prem club except those lot would turn their nose up at Ancelotti ?

Why should we ?

Eric Myles
220 Posted 19/12/2019 at 07:11:02
Where are you Bob? Sounds like my sort of place, I hate the freezing English summers.

What's the humidity like?

Rob Young
221 Posted 19/12/2019 at 07:27:09
Bob #216
I'd have Zlatan.
Surely he can teach DCL and Kean a trick or two.

Next, we can do with all the arrogance we can get if we're ever to turn into a team of winners.
We have very, very few now who seem to have much faith in their own ability.

Do you reckon Zlatan will go to Anfield or anywhere else and be happy to play for a draw? Like fck he will.

Do you reckon Zlatan will give a thumps up (Digne) or clap (Bernard) when Pickford launches another long kick into the stands?
Do you reckon Zlatan will accept no crosses at all from Iwobi and Bernard, or 5 crap corners from Digne and Sigurdsson.

Do you reckon Zlatan will not embarrass Keane and Mina so much in training every single day that they might want to start learning how to actually be a central defender?

I'd have him. Yes.

Alan J Thompson
222 Posted 19/12/2019 at 07:31:17
Steuart(#209); Why sponsor a training ground? Maybe to get your accounts done for nothing in a sort of you scratch mine and I'll gift you some shares in a football team, or something.
Derek Thomas
223 Posted 19/12/2019 at 07:37:13
Eric @ 220; I'd guess he's in the city of crazy weather, aka, Melbourne. It'll be 18 and raining tomorrow. One minute its too hot to go out, 20 mins later, the southerly change goes through and you have to put a jumper on. I Go there on a regular basis and you couldn't pay me to live there.
Laurie Hartley
224 Posted 19/12/2019 at 07:45:46
Derek - Bob and I are very relieved to hear that 😉
Rob Halligan
225 Posted 19/12/2019 at 08:41:41
Tim Smith, # 210. Dominic King is one total RS bellend, and I never believe a word he says. If he said today was thursday, I'd need to check on the red echo just to confirm it. Mind you, I never believe a word the red echo says either!
Tim Smith
226 Posted 19/12/2019 at 08:48:50
I'm not ‘moaning' about Ancelotti, I'm just saying I think he's a mistake.
Also, I don't care if King is a RS bellend, on this occasion I happen to agree with him.
James Marshall
227 Posted 19/12/2019 at 09:44:14
Bob@216

I would absolutely LOVE Zlatan at Everton. Arrogant and lazy? No. Arrogant and supremely talented? Yes.

He would bring prestige, and beautiful skill to our shitty team of average players and demand the best out of each & every one of them.

I can't get my head round why Evertonians don't want to see superstar players at Everton. It just beggars belief. You can say he's too old, too arrogant, too lazy, but you're wrong on every level. Ibrahimovich could be our 'Robinho moment' ala Man City.

He's exactly what we need. A thoroughbred, superstar, A-list footballer. Or would you prefer we look to the lower leagues or buy some shithouse who's just been relegated? Think big man! Shoot for the fucking stars for once. I'm sick to death of supporting plucky little small-time Everton with our shitty attitude and reliance on being good in the 80's/60's/30's. You can keep your bullshit 'istory. I want the future.

Mark Tanton
228 Posted 19/12/2019 at 09:46:21
Wouldn't Zlatan be another Eto'o?
Steve Ferns
229 Posted 19/12/2019 at 09:49:33
Kopite media are now trying to say that Ancelotti is only coming here after Arsenal turned him down and he wanted to go there over us. They really don't like this do they?
James Marshall
230 Posted 19/12/2019 at 10:09:59
No way would Zlatan be another Eto'o in my view. His record in the MLS last year was 31 games, 31 goals, and yes I know the MLS is certainly not the PL but he's still class and would really do wonders for our profile as well as score some important goals. Our players need inspiration.

Why are there no jokes about Zlatan?

Because Zlatan is no joke.

(this is my favourite Zlatan joke).

I will also admit to be a bit of a fanboy where he's concerned. I've always enjoyed your Zlatan, Cantona type characters in football. I don't get all the moaning about arrogance & so on. I WANT arrogance in players.

Joe McMahon
231 Posted 19/12/2019 at 10:10:02
James @227, with you all the way! But I suppose we have to realise we can't bring anarchy or insubordination. We have to remember this is The Peoples Club!
Colin Glassar
232 Posted 19/12/2019 at 10:20:32
Sounds like Ancellotti has our “Dynamic Duo” over a barrel. He's getting his own backroom staff, total control over football affairs, a huge war chest for transfers, big star names, converting Bullshit Billy into a ball boy etc...

Our stuck in the mud owners won't know what has hit them when real pro's take over. Amateur hour is over.

Steve Ferns
233 Posted 19/12/2019 at 10:31:22
Colin, speaking of ball boys, why did we have 4 down each side and none behind the goal? Why can't Everton even organise the ball boys properly? It was unbelievable to see the ball boys all sat there and the players looking around to see who was going to fetch the ball when it went out of play. I think some of them were only there for a hug off Duncan.
Colin Glassar
234 Posted 19/12/2019 at 10:51:54
We are amateurs from top to bottom, imo, Steve. Hopefully, the new management team will instil some professionalism into this vaudeville circus act aka Everton.
Brent Stephens
235 Posted 19/12/2019 at 10:59:19
James #230 "Why are there no jokes about Zlatan?
Because Zlatan is no joke.
(this is my favourite Zlatan joke)."

So still no Zlatan jokes, James?! Sorry, just joking (is that a joke?).

Craig Walker
236 Posted 19/12/2019 at 11:00:52
I think the "This is how it feels to be Everton. This is how it feels to be small. You sign Lambert, we sign Samuel Eto'o, Samuel Eto'o" was one of the best songs our fans came up with. I remember the away end singing it at Burnley after Eto'o scored. Was disappointing how it turned out in the end.

I'd love to see Zlatan at Goodison with Ancelotti as manager. An over-the-hill Zlatan is still better than most of the players we ever sign.

James Marshall
237 Posted 19/12/2019 at 11:11:06
Brent@230

On reflection I think that might be a direct Zlatan quote, which just makes me love him a bit more!

Colin Glassar
238 Posted 19/12/2019 at 11:14:58
Zlatan, Rodriguez, Maartens, Koulibali etc.. are the names now being linked to Everton. The times they are a-changin'.
Christopher Timmins
239 Posted 19/12/2019 at 11:27:37
Steve @ 131

Van Gaal always gave youth a chance throughout his career. I don't think Carlo has a similar record, however, hopefully it might be the case that he will adopt a different approach to this longer term project and that he will see it as a chance to leave a real legacy and in so doing bring in signings with greater long term potential.

One of the after match articles this morning was "So Everton", it would be just "So Everton" if we let Carlo slip through our fingers at this stage.

Until its signed sealed and delivered may anxiety levels will continue to rise.

Karen Mason
240 Posted 19/12/2019 at 11:48:43
I am normally one of the 'happy, clappy' brigade and try to see positives in things. But, I fear that we have learned nothing. While Ancelotti's record of winning trophies is well documented, he doesn't seem to have a record of 'sustainability' at any club, or indeed of leaving a legacy behind when he moves on.
If we give him a 4 year deal, as is being bandied around, I predict he will leave after 18 months to 2 years, and we'll have to pay him off, too. He may well sign journeyman footballers who have no love of our club or the shirt. Ie, those who would not respond to Big Dunc's passion, as the current players have.
When he leaves with his pay off in 2 years, we will again be left with players on mega wages who don't even want to be at the club. Back to square one in 2 years is my prediction with this manager. Not saying I have a solution in terms of who I would like, but it does seem, that the players Brands and Silva brought in, were sold 'our club' and seem to have bought into it. Hardly likely from journeyman players, or journeyman manager. Somebody like Poch, who does develop club and players would have been my ideal. If we can attract Ancelotti, then why not Poch when his financial handcuffs have been removed at the end of the season.
I really hope that I am completely wrong on this - but alas, I am not convinced he's the right man for us.
James Marshall
241 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:18:48
Manager sustainability? The days of managers staying for 11 years ala Moyes are dead & buried. Forget it. People on here need to get up to date with the modern game in many ways - you're never going to see a manager commit himself to seeing out a long contract. Football has changed, the landscape and the business itself is a different animal nowadays.

Ancelotti is apparently signing a contract till 2023, what more do you want?

All this stuff about legacy, or buying players that love the club - it's not the 1970's anymore, give it up or you're just going to be perpetually disappointed. Nobody cares about the shirt anymore, nobody loves the club, nobody cares if Everton won a few dusty old trophies 50 years ago, nobody cares about standing on the Gwladys Street when they were 13 on the piss-soaked terraces when we were half decent, nobody cares about 'our istory' apart from us. It's all a myth, gone forever.

You might get one footballer in a 100 who gives a shit about all that stuff, but it's completely meaningless in modern football.

Brent Stephens
242 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:26:46
James #237 - love it.
James Marshall
243 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:29:29
Carlo Ancelotti's legal team has reached an agreement with Napoli over the termination of his contract, paving the way for his appointment as Everton manager.

Sky in Italy are reporting Ancelotti is set to meet Napoli representatives to sign documents that will conclude his contract.

Sky Sports News understands that his official appointment at Goodison Park may not take place until Saturday before their home match against Arsenal.

Joe McMahon
244 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:30:40
James Marshall, yet again 100% with you 60s and 70s were decades ago literally.
Adrian Evans
245 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:36:25
James 241.I agree football has gone full circle from George Eastham £8 wage days.
Cant deny you are spot on with your analysis of the modern game.
But that is not to say its right, or shouldnt change, can be changed for a more morally correct way of operating.
The championship are in trouble with clubs making losses.
So they are to challenge the law, Bosman ruling and bring in wage caps.
£37 million loss over 3 years is acceptable,clubs not viable.
A stab at the honey pot the Premier League and most are doomed.

So we will see how football evolves.
The NFL, don't have promotion relegation yet its the most successull sports lrague in the world.
Finish bottom, you get the best draft picks for next season.

But I would like to see more committment, loyalty to the clubs that pay wages,less international football, more fairness to clubs,the club from players,managers.
Seriously look at relegation, promotion.
Not on one season, but 3 or 5.
An average system, if your in the bottom three, five for a number of years.Off you go,Promote a club who has consistenly proved to good for the championship.

Time to stop sacking managers on the merry go round.No panick, three year promotion, relegation average points thing.

Daniel A Johnson
246 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:40:30
Deep down you just know Kenwright is annoyed Moyes isn't coming back.

However, I still think the gunners could hijack this.

James Marshall
247 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:44:53
Daniel - Arsenal have postponed Ljunberg's press conference which as reports are saying, is due to them being close to appointing Arteta. It's been reported they're paying City £2m compensation and the deal is almost sorted. Don't worry about Arsenal, or that story from the shit-rag Daily-tory yesterday about Ancelotti being disappointed. All made up BS mate.

Rob Halligan
248 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:47:31
LOL, Daniel. You can just imagine kenwright sobbing down the phone to Jenny Seagrove .

"Whaaaa, Jenny, they won't let me bring our love child, the lovely David, back to manage our great club"

Daniel A Johnson
249 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:49:02
We need a steady non fussy manager like Dyche-not necessarily him (don't laugh) to rebuild us for 3 years and then hand the keys over to someone like Ancelotti who can sprinkle some star dust onto a solidly built foundation and move us forwards.

Right now were handing Ancelotti a brown Ford Escort with a green door and expecting him to come on the podium at Le-Mans.

I still think this is the right man but at the wrong time. Just not sure for the money what Carlo Ancelotti is going to actually achieve with us in 3.5 years? A top 6-9 finish? Well Allardyce achieved that.

Steve Ferns
250 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:49:04
James, agree with what you say, but Pochettino did 5 years at Spurs and could easily have done another 6 if he had a chairman who backed him in the market and didn't keep shooting himself in the foot by trying to play hardball with want-away players. I think we will see another manager clock up a decade at a top club, and it might just be the fella down the road. I also think Man Utd might stumble across the right guy and give him a decade. Arsenal could easily keep Arteta for 10 plus years if he is able to give the fans what they want.

With short term managerial appointments, the role of Director of Football is more important. This guy needs to make sure the short term goals of the manager help the club deliver it's long term goals. So, Brands is important with Ancelotti that he does not allow the club to be flooded with has-beens, such as Daniele De Rossi (36 and out in Argentina as no longer good enough for serie A) who can do a job for the season at high cost.

James Marshall
251 Posted 19/12/2019 at 12:54:12
Steve@250

Of course there are, and people will always raise exceptions to ever rule, but they are exactly that, the exception. I will contradict myself and say I think Everton need some longer/medium term stability, but again, this is unlikely in the modern game.

The landscape demands immediate results, and both managers, players and owners are up against exactly that - in an increasingly throwaway society, football is definitely not immune to the same diseases us humans are all party to.

Andrew Keatley
252 Posted 19/12/2019 at 13:03:20
Daniel (249) - Maybe Ancelotti is our best bet at attracting the sort of players that can make the transition from where we are currently to a sustained challenge for the top four. Several managers have struggled to do it with what we have, so however good our new manager is, I imagine that we'll be looking to bring in 3 or 4 new players over the next 2 transfer windows. If it is Ancelotti then maybe he'll take the risk on two or three top players towards the end of their careers who should be able to hit the ground running.

With Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Spurs all in some level of transition themselves - new managers or managers under pressure - it's a decent enough time to gamble. Man City and Liverpool are settled and have excellent squads. Leicester are a very good side - but replacing Vardy long-term will be a very big ask. Bringing in a Sean Dyche (or similar) might see us consolidate for three years, but who knows what the rest of the league will look like then; we could be even further off the pace then.

Ciarán McGlone
253 Posted 19/12/2019 at 13:12:31
This is our transition manager.

The complaints are unfounded.

Get on board.

Colin Glassar
254 Posted 19/12/2019 at 13:19:56
Love some of these posts eg Sean Dyche (type) for a few years THEN go for Ancellotti? Brilliant!!!
Daniel A Johnson
255 Posted 19/12/2019 at 13:24:38
Maybe Colin but given the state of the team at the moment and the money we are paying is it 3 years too soon for an Ancelotti type of manager? That's all I'm saying. Were effectively paying Ancelotti to rip up the project and rebuild the team AGAIN.

Don't get wrong I'm delighted, just not sure what he's going to achieve with our current squad. We all thought Koeman and his reputation would attract big players and it never happened.

Kieran Kinsella
256 Posted 19/12/2019 at 13:47:03
People talking about “transition” managers as opposed to what? Young managers like Silva, who take long-term jobs? Every manager is transitional – even Pep seems ready to hang it up.
Dave Lynch
257 Posted 19/12/2019 at 14:52:43
This is becoming a bit too protracted for my liking.

He either is or isn't going to be our next manager.

I've got an uneasy feeling about this now, surely they will have had an answer from him by now.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

258 Posted 19/12/2019 at 14:55:35
I haven't joined in on any of the rumour threads on Ancelotti because I'm waiting for actual confirmation of the same.

I do find it interesting that, other than the curt announcement by the club on Monday (that several candidates are under consideration, that none have withdrawn their interest, that no contract has yet been offered), since Silva was dismissed there has been a news blackout on the manager situation on the club site.

Today, the club site for the first time in their 'What the Papers Say' page refer to stories that 'Everton have agreed a deal with Carlo Ancelotti.'

Link

Just saying, like.

Jimmy Hogan
259 Posted 19/12/2019 at 14:56:41
I love a good conspiracy story. Why haven't Arsenal officially approached Man City about Arteta?

Is it true that a delegation of senior Arsenal players met with the Arsenal board yesterday to express their concern that the club were set to appoint Arteta, rather than Ancelotti?

Why is there no update on the Ancellotti situation from an Everton point of view? Could he still end up at Arsenal?

David Israel
260 Posted 19/12/2019 at 14:59:19
"Stabilising" is what Crystal Palace do, and have done with some success, from their point of view, with Alan Pardew, Sam Allardyce and Roy Hodgson. I'd like to think we're a bit above that.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

261 Posted 19/12/2019 at 15:00:47
Jimmy @ 259.

Link

Conspiracy theory popped..?

Jimmy Hogan
262 Posted 19/12/2019 at 15:02:03
Jay. Good. I hadn't seen that.
Paul Tran
263 Posted 19/12/2019 at 15:03:16
They have to agree terms. We have to convince Ancelotti that he'll get appropriate backing And that we're, ahem, credible. Then things have to get sorted with Napoli, as he's still employed by them till the end of the season.

That's why it's taking a while.

If they want it done quickly, they could offer the job to me. I won't hang about and I'd be cheaper!

Raymond Fox
264 Posted 19/12/2019 at 15:08:22
It looks like Arteta is definitely going to be Arsenals manager, which is a strange one to me. From the clubs point of view I mean, its a big gamble on their part.

With Ancelotti and the club their probable kicking the minor details back and forth, I do hope so, I wouldn't want it to go belly - up now. He probably knows we are very keen to hire him and he's screwing us for improved this and that!

Jimmy Hogan
265 Posted 19/12/2019 at 15:09:13
There's a scene in one of the Simpsons episodes where Marge's washing machine has broken down. She's giving the manufacturers some serious grief on the phone and the guy says "Do you want it fixed now, or do you want it fixed properly" and Marge replies "Well, like all Americans, I want it fixed now"
James Marshall
266 Posted 19/12/2019 at 15:12:41
Don Carlo has been in Italy sorting out his contract with Napoli. It's done now but he has to go back there to sign it off, then he can sign for us.

Then we sign Zlatan.

End.

Conor McCourt
267 Posted 19/12/2019 at 17:20:41
Steve 250- interesting that you bring up the relationship between Brands and Ancelotti and is one of the reasons why I'm highly sceptical about this appointment.

I know it will seem crazy but I feel Arsenal and us should be swapping our preferred candidates. Ancelotti is a great man manager, excellent at organising defences and can get the best out of egos to the best effect of the team. That's why I feel he would be brilliant for the gunners as he would be an instant fix there.

I've already stated why I think Arteta would be perfect for us so I won't go over the same old ground but I will point out a few worries I have over Ancelotti.

1- Not sure Ancelotti is the motivational character we need who can impact the Goodison crowd as Duncan has done and Arteta as a player.

2-I always seen Ancelotti as a man whose successes were getting great players to perform cohesively when other managers couldn't. For me he wasn't a manager who made players greater than they were before i.e. Klopp, Guardiola,Fergie. I think we need a manager to improve our players individually if we want to strive for better than eighth.

3-Ancelotti has a remarkable CV but I have often felt he was a better cup manager and most of the titles he won were with teams who couldn't fail to win the title and those at PSG and Munich were just scraping over the line. Will he bring consistency to our team?

4-Are we approaching him at the wrong time? As stated previously I feel we need someone who can overachieve. In Carlos last few jobs I would suggest he radically underachieved with the resources he had available to him. Of course this could be a blessing in that he can now be a serious option for us but is he yesterday's man?

5-Steve you raised the point about Brands. Ancelotti will not be coming to put up with the nonsense Silva had in the summer. In addition Marcel policy of investing in youth will be scrapped as Ancelotti normally likes experience. Ancelotti once told Parma not to sign Baggio when the deal was in the offing as he couldn't find a place for him. I think he will demand the players he wants so raising problems with Marcels role.

In summary I'm not opposed to the signing of Ancelotti as he has been one of the greats and I'll be intrigued as anyone if we pull off this coup. My big worry though is that this is another one of Moshiris incoherent appointments that seems to once again deviate from the direction the club has been fostering. I just hope it's not another Koemanesque scenario. No one can deny his pedigree it's just his suitability that I would question.

Nicholas Ryan
268 Posted 19/12/2019 at 17:23:17
Anyone who thinks we're overpaying for Ancelotti, might want to consider the salaries just announced, for the Indian Premier League Cricket tournament for 2020. The competition lasts roughly one month, and for that, Australian fast bowler Pat Cummins will be paid ٟ.7 million; Glenn Maxwell, who has just been dropped by Australia, will earn ٟ.15 million; and Chris Morris, who has just been dropped from the South Africa Test squad to play England [a series which would have paid him about 㿞,000] has signed for Bangalore, for ٟ.1 million. Perhaps Carlo is a bargain, after all !!
Paul Tran
269 Posted 19/12/2019 at 17:37:01
I think he knows he's better off coming here. Arsenal are a bigger basket case than we are!
Alexander Murphy
270 Posted 19/12/2019 at 17:53:39
Paul @269, I sincerely believe that you are correct.

AFC have some seriously overpaid underperformers with "Princess attitudes", and hefty wage bills

EFC have some serious injury problems.

We could be a relatively straightforward fix by seasons end. Comparatively we don't have a toxic dressing room full of prima donna's with "I'm better than this" attitudes.

Mikkel Arteta was My fave player in decades, the more so once he listened to the GP faithful and stopped the unnecessary playacting. I do wonder at his wisdom in taking on the Arsenal job, it's a HUGE ask for a first appointment.

TBH, I've begun to think that the Guardiola Express at City is going to derail. Maybe MA thinks that moving on is avoiding that particular traincrash ?

However, all that is Arsenal's concern and next up We should have the Duncan effect on Saturday, possibly boosted by the Ancellotti factor.

We don't need pretty for now, We just need diehard.

Conor McCourt
271 Posted 19/12/2019 at 18:51:45
Paul 269- I don't think Arsenal wanted Carlo as they are committed to a new Arsene Wenger mindset. I also disagree with your analysis about them being a bigger basket case than us.

Arsenal imo have one of the best squads in the PL with a few deficiencies that the last 3 managers have failed to address. These have been further magnified by poor coaching from Emery and Ljunberg which has made them look like a joke of a team.

It's my opinion that Ancelotti would have been perfect as he is a master at finding the best system to prevent his teams from being exposed and getting the best out of those egos. He would also not be afraid to drop big names for the good of the team. Don't forget at the start of the season Arsenal fans were declaring this as their best squad in years and there is a lot of quality if coached to their maximum.

Alexander I agree with you in regards to Mikel. I think he's crazy to go there as he's on a hiding to nothing and I don't feel he is the man to solve their problems. In addition the City job will be available in a few years so he could blow that out of the water also.

Bill Watson
272 Posted 19/12/2019 at 18:55:16
I've been supporting the Blues for over 60 years so obviously have a limited shelf life.

I've now added the appointment of Ancelotti to BMD on my wish list of things I hope to see before the final curtain!

John Boswell
273 Posted 19/12/2019 at 19:15:17
The Everton Project has proved to be too big for Roberto, Marco and that Dutch chap! However I get the feeling that many contributors feel that Carlo may be too big for Everton. What!! I am looking forward to his appointment because we will have a superb football man in a key area at Everton with a reasonable war chest and time, to work his magic. Here's to Everton becoming a force again, COYB.
Brian Hennessy
274 Posted 19/12/2019 at 19:29:56
My "sources" tell me that the media have this all wrong.

Ancelotti WAS in London this week but not to speak to Everton. His wife is in fact a huge Equestrian fan and they were both spotted in the VIP section at London Olympia Horse Show looking at potential new horses to buy for their stables.

Blue Bill just happened to be at Olympia as he thought there would be a panto on and this is where the rumours started.

Ancelotti IS coming to Merseyside next week but again not to talk to Everton, but to attend Liverpool international Horse Show at the former O2 arena on the docks.

My same sources tell me that the deal for our new manager has already been done, but he doesn't want to take up the job until this difficult run of fixtures we have is over as he knows he hasn't a hope of beating any of them. David Moyes will take the Everton hot seat on Jan 11th at home to Brighton. This gives him the remainder of the January transfer window to find the next Per Koldrup, James Beattie, or Simon Davies.

So you heard it here first folks.

Brian Hennessy
275 Posted 19/12/2019 at 19:29:56
My "sources" tell me that the media have this all wrong.

Ancelotti WAS in London this week but not to speak to Everton. His wife is in fact a huge Equestrian fan and they were both spotted in the VIP section at London Olympia Horse Show looking at potential new horses to buy for their stables.

Blue Bill just happened to be at Olympia as he thought there would be a panto on and this is where the rumours started.

Ancelotti IS coming to Merseyside next week but again not to talk to Everton, but to attend Liverpool international Horse Show at the former O2 arena on the docks.

My same sources tell me that the deal for our new manager has already been done, but he doesn't want to take up the job until this difficult run of fixtures we have is over as he knows he hasn't a hope of beating any of them. David Moyes will take the Everton hot seat on Jan 11th at home to Brighton. This gives him the remainder of the January transfer window to find the next Per Koldrup, James Beattie, or Simon Davies.

So you heard it here first folks.

Paul Birmingham
276 Posted 19/12/2019 at 19:31:33
Bill, @272, great optimism and let's hope the prospects of Everton and all matters Everton, are on up and the club gets the consistency and success, that is so long over due, with Carlo helping us on the road to success.

Brent Stephens
277 Posted 19/12/2019 at 19:32:02
Brian, so not bullshit but horse shit?
Brian Hennessy
278 Posted 19/12/2019 at 19:36:16
Very good Brent !!
Tony Hill
279 Posted 19/12/2019 at 20:02:59
John @273, if Ancelotti signs we can be very pleased that he is doing so with full assurances as to spend and as to the direction and strategy of the club. He is clearly doing his due diligence and has a reputation which allows him to be choosy.

Of course, if he doesn't sign then certain other conclusions can be drawn.

This is going to be revealing of the Moshiri credentials.

Dave Abrahams
280 Posted 19/12/2019 at 20:14:01
Brian (274), Ancelotti and his wife were not in London on Monday night, they were in fact in Liverpool having a drink in The Victoria Cross (Ned Kelly's). I had a chat with them and asked them if they would like a drink, Carlo said “Yes please, we are on champagne.”

I asked the barman what type of champers Carlo and Aggie (Mrs, Ancelotti) we're drinking, he said nice glasses of a 1945 champagne.

I said “Oh that's nice.1945 was a nice vintage”

Jeff (the barman) said “Dave 1945 is not the year, it's 㾿.45p per glass.” “Fuck that” I said, “Give them two halves of bitter.”

But they seemed to enjoy it, well it was Tetley's best bitter. They left just after that, never got me a bevy back, pair of brass hinges.

David Hayes
281 Posted 19/12/2019 at 20:14:50
A massive mistake, to add to the unending pursuit of short term mercenary fixes pursued by this club. Where will it end? Just list the sacked, relegated, knee-jerk fixes over the last six years and you wonder how inept and deluded this club is.

The answer is trust what made us Everton: pride, passion and total commitment. Give Dunc at least to the end of the season, and stop the mercenary merry go round before it's too late...

Derek Taylor
282 Posted 19/12/2019 at 20:21:26
I see the recruitment of Ancelotti and the likely signing of faded superstars as the last throw of the dice of the Russian investment in our club. Given that Arsenal's stadium is already built and paid for and the American enemy wants out, I bet Usmanov wishes he had been a little more patient with his original venture into Premier League.

As it is, he and his gofer face throwing a fortune down a big hole at Bramley-Moore Dock, in addition to funding the big names that their latest manager will wish them to fund to come here. They gave the game away when they allowed a leak that Ancelotti was to trouser a bonus of ٠.5M just to keep us in the Premier League and now the mind boggles at what he would receive to get us 'top half' – although I suppose Premier League prizemoney would look after that.

Virtually everything that has happened here echoes the Lerner experience at Aston Villa although it looks as if our brand of monied fool has both more money and is more foolish than the Yank. He baled out at the 𧷤M mark of wasted expenditure – a figure which is merely the starting point for 'Billy's Angels'.

Of course, the recruitment of the Italian Family to do the job poor old Brands was hired for is finally an admission that Moshiri, too, has failed his master and it's time to bring in an expert (and who cares at the cost?)

From now on, it appears money will be no object and for so many this is what they've dreamed of. But for me, I'd rather have Big Dunc, Arteta or even Cahill at the helm -- that would be OUR Everton. The new-look club belongs to somebody else from foreign fields who doesn`t even need us.


Paul Smith
283 Posted 19/12/2019 at 20:33:46
I love the fact we have shitloads of money and are getting the best managers in the world and a shiny new stadium, long may it continue. Who wants to be skint and shopping in Poundland?
Phil Martin
284 Posted 19/12/2019 at 20:53:44
Trying very hard to not punch my laptop reading some of the comments on this site.

"Ancelotti is a mercenary because we're rumoured to be paying him a lot."

- Well how else do you attract a world class manager to a basket case of a club?

"we should've got him when he was younger"

- when exactly? Just after he did the double with Chelsea, or after doing the German domestic double? I can really imagine BPB seducing him with a promise of £0 transfer kitty.

"we should appoint one of our own"

- yep because relying on the old boys club has rewarded us so well over the last 25 years.

"Ancelotti is a better cup manager, than a title winning manager"

- he was won nearly twice as many cups in his 25 years of management, as EFC has in its 140 years. IDGAF, I just want us to win something.

Andrew Laird
285 Posted 19/12/2019 at 21:25:43
Lots of posters names on here I don't recognise or haven't posted about any other subject only coming on to say what a mistake it will be to hire a proven, world renowned football manager. Take a bow people, it takes all sorts and thankfully you are in an intellectual minority.
Robin Cannon
286 Posted 19/12/2019 at 21:41:37
Come now, Ancelotti has only won 18 major trophies, the Champions League three times with two different clubs (nobody else has done both), and the league in four different countries.

Dunc, on the other hand, has got us properly pumped up for three games, one of which we even won. And he's "Everton".

It's a no-brainer...

Andrew Laird
287 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:11:42
Look at the Daily Mail love-in for Ancelotti when they thought the other lot were after him:p>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3246252/Carlo-Ancelotti-knows-win-titles-play-good-football-manage-big-egos-s-no-wonder-Liverpool-interested-him.html

Apparently at 56 he was young; the media don't like it when Everton unsettle the status quo.

Colin Glassar
288 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:13:03
Andrew 285, I said the same a few days ago. It was busier on here than on RAWK. Coincidence or what?
Conor McCourt
289 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:15:45
Phil @ 284 - I understand that the majority of our fans have wished so badly for a man of Ancelottis pedigree that it is difficult to hear dissenting voices when many see this as a dream scenario.

From my point of view I see the problems holding back our club as much more than the managerial appointments and more to do with the direction of the club and a clear coherent vision for achieving success.

In most of the jobs Ancelotti has had he is dealing with the best squads in the league and is being asked to perform to their level. This is a totally new ball game with us where our fans want top six with a squad which is so far off those placings.

I don't want to discredit his achievements especially those in the Champions League which are remarkable and unparalleled but his four league titles have all been won with clubs which he should have. Would you say Souness or Smith should be candidates for us as they too are league winners. The man has to be fit for purpose, to make a mediocre squad much better.

I mentioned his cup form because I worry that his teams have not always performed up to their ability consistently in the league. He managed Real to finish outside of the top two which is unthinkable and also underperformed badly with Napoli. Imo we need a Brendan Rodgers type who can vastly overachieve with his squad. You could argue Ancelotti has only done this at Parma.

I think it is not unreasonable for us who are sceptical to raise concerns as just because a manager has had a lot of success doesn't mean it will translate especially if the appointment is totally at odds with what the club has said is the template for future progression.

Martinez had little money yet overachieved in his first league campaign, in Europe and in getting to two cup semis and only for a poor decision in the City game we most likely would have won the Carling Cup but his inability to be consistent in the league cost him his job.

If Ancelotti is appointed I will give him my full support and best wishes as like everyone else I will be hoping he will lead us to the promised land but I don't think it is unreasonable to question Moshiris judgement given his past failings and hiring a supremo that seems totally at odds with his vision under Brands.

Btw Ireland appointed an Italian manager with a similar pedigree to Ancelotti and we surprisingly didn't win the World Cup.

Andrew Laird
290 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:20:54
Conor, would you or were you advocating Brendan Rodgers if he was still managing Celtic and not after hindsight of this Leicester team overachieving in a largely poor league this year? Genuinely curious.
Steve Ferns
291 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:23:32
Connor, I don't think the Trap and Ancelotti are similar. The Trap was 69/70 when he went to Ireland. He hadn't won a trophy in the big 5 leagues for 10 years. He was clearly in decline and didn't he struggle with the language.

I can't argue that Ancelotti finished 3rd with R Madrid, but I take issue that he struggled at Napoli. He finished 2nd. Same as where Sarri had them. So that's not struggling. Furthermore, they'd lost Jorginho the man Sarri built his team around and so it was a team with a big hole in it.

Ancelotti struggled this season, maybe, but he still got them to the knock-outs in the Champions League and they were high in the league until the president decided to press the self-destruct button and go to war with the players. What happened next was down to the President and not Ancelotti. Even so, he was sacked in 7th not 17th.

Phil Martin
292 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:31:20
I'd say Ancelotti did alright this year considering his players virtually went on strike as a protest against the owner.

@Conor - I get the point about him being used to managing good teams. But by the same logic, he will know exactly what a good team is. He knows exactly what level his team needs to be at to win trophies.

He's our transitional manager who will hopefully propel us to Champions League and a trophy or two. That is success.

Jer Kiernan
293 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:43:18
I was calling for Ancelotti loudly on TW but this was before the Koeman and Silva appointments. Conor is on to something: there is a question over whether Carlo has done his best work already and has not much left to prove.

I was hoping for Eddie Howe (young, dynamic, with something to prove) or give big Dunc some more time till the end of the season, then weigh up all our options

But taking all into account, I cannot complain if we appoint a manager of this calibre and I also feel (unlike the other candidates) his presence and the guarantees he will require, will force the board to start "acting" like a Top 4/6 club. Like when your main target for transfer window is Zaha, well, you don't come home with fuckin' Iwobi!!!

We talked about a "statement" signing, then waited til Palace sold their right back for 㿞mil, then offer a derisory 㿏mil plus Cenk Tosun? No wonder they slammed down the phone and we get Iwobi?? Not the behaviour of a club with ambition. He will now go to Chelsea this January and do really well.

Ideally I hope Carlo will get us organized and be given the money to get some top draw players in so that, when we move to Bramley-Moore Dock, we are competing in Europe.

I am going on the record, for what it is worth, and saying I think Arsenal are making a mistake by appointing Arteta.

Conor McCourt
294 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:50:26
Andrew, I'm not advocating Rodgers as that is unrealistic but I'm saying that we need someone who can improve players like he has done in his last three clubs.

Steve, my mate watches Napoli regularly and says Ancelotti did nowhere near the job of Sarri. Last season they finished second but finished 12 points worse off. The decline continued this season and are now 7th which is their poorest campaign for ten years. He often levelled the same accusations at Ancelotti as our fans did of Silva as lacking motivation and being lifeless on the touch line.

Phil, I so hope you are right... all I want is continual progression – not miracles.

Colin Glassar
295 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:52:58
Did someone just mention Howe in the same sentence with Ancelotti? Unbelievable, Jeff.
Ian Riley
296 Posted 19/12/2019 at 22:54:25
What actually do we want? No to Moyes. Ferguson too inexperienced and fears being the Everton manager. He loves the club that he fears failing and letting everyone down. Who next?

The owner has had enough of mediocrity. Managers who could, should but haven't delivered. He has gone big! In experience and success. Praise the owner big time.

Are we bored with watching us aim small watching clubs around us succeed? Let's have a crack at the big time. Ancelotti can put his medals on the table along with the top managers around the world. That will demand respect.

Yes, we will spend again but who knows champions league two years time. Any takers? I don't want to just stay in the league or quarter finals be the bench mark. We have some real top players whom with more top players coming in will only improve us.

I respect the concern of cost but the manager, Ancelotti will put Everton football club on the map again. His presence and mentality is to win. The owner wants better for our club. Let's make our history now not then.

Bill Watson
297 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:02:50
Jer #293... Eddie Howe, dynamic? Wow!

Colette Black
298 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:05:40
My favourite, until he stated he was not leaving River, was Gallardo. He seems like a Simeone-type character – a real 'fire in his belly' sort of manager who could get a tune out of our squad. No-one else excited me.

Now that Ancelotti has emerged as the front-runner... well – we would be crazy not to offer him the job. This guy is elite. He will command respect. He will entice top quality players to our club (as well as enhancing our PR). And if anyone can bring success to this godforsaken club – he's our best shot.

If we appoint Moyes or someone of his ilk, then I expect the tide to turn against Moshiri and his regime. I'm sure he is fully aware of this.

Andrew Dempsey
299 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:07:45
Derek #282
Conor #289

My worries and thoughts on the matter summed up brilliantly by both of you. It feels wrong. It's yet more folly from this bell-tit of an owner. It's the ultimate vainglorious appointment from Moshiri's point of view, but, it's completely the wrong style of manager we need right now.

It is ‘laughably optimistic' to think he will succeed with us, to quote a line from an article I read today. In terms of trying to improve our standing in the table, our owner is going to fork out a helluva lot of money for finishing 6th at best. He's being played for a fool.

On the other hand, this crazy "throw money at everything" strategy might just work, so I really hope I'm proved wrong.

Other positives: he loves cup competitions more than leagues, ‘I prefer Cups' is a direct quote. We need a trophy.

He's shown he knows how to beat them, this season with Napoli. If he can deliver the FA Cup, mine will be a large serving humblini pie.

Jer Kiernan
300 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:10:46
Colin @295,

They are both football managers, aren't they? So why would they not be in the same post about football management? Did you even read it? They are not in the same sentence either and we're playing Arsenal on Saturday??

I was going to say it is just an opinion I am expessing and no need to be an arrogant git but then I read your other posts and you probably can't help what comes naturally. ;)

You rate Ancelotti... we get it. He is going to make us world beaters... we get it. Now let other people have their say too. TW belongs to ALL Everton supporters, whether they chose to spend their lives on here or not!!

Could Eddie achieve what Carlo did? Most likely not. Could Carlo take a side in 91st spot in English Football League, in administration, with a 17-point deduction and transfer embargo, up through the Football League and into the Premier League? That is just as unlikely.

I hope you are right on Ancelotti as it looks like we are getting him but that hardly makes you clever or inventive or ahead of the curve to suggest such a name (I was calling for him 2 appointments ago) and you may also be bang wrong. So, instead of spitting out your teeth at the suggestion of any other managers, let us wait and see...

Colette Black
301 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:10:54
Your pie is in the oven, Andrew.
Mike Price
302 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:16:47
If he's on 㾶 million plus, it's a sick joke. He's a mercenary and it's unlikely to be a successful hire. I'd love to face Moshiri at a negotiating table, we are a very poorly run business.
Andrew Dempsey
303 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:21:41
Colette #301,

I wondered what that smell was?

Steve Carse
304 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:23:12
Shortly after he took over 3 years ago, Moshiri made the very telling comment that there was only a short time available to transform the club. I suspect that he was alluding to the inevitable shake-up of European football.

In this context, the Ancelotti pursuit is a last throw of the dice to get Everton in with some chance of making the cut as a big enough club for inclusion in any new set-up. The challenge is immense as is the money that Moshiri (and his backers) will have to spend to reach that goal.

Colin Glassar
305 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:27:06
Touchy Jer? Have a cup of tea lad. I don't rate Ancellotti per se, his record speaks for itself. He's by far the best option currently available.

We've gone down the road of up-and-coming managers from football hotspots like Wigan, Southampton and Watford. Let's give the A-list manager a go and see what happens.

Love him or hate him, Martin Samuel has written a great piece in the Daily Mail:

Why NOT go for Carlo Ancelotti? Appointing a proven winner shows Everton mean business
Andy Crooks
306 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:31:23
Interesting post, Jer. I don't think anyone else could have done what Howe did. It shows he has something about him.

Ancelotti would no doubt be a statement but it is a risk and a very expensive one. However, I would be happy to see him here. I think our next permanent manager will be the last time Moshiri rolls the dice. I hope he gets lucky.

Jer Kiernan
307 Posted 19/12/2019 at 23:39:25
Colin @305 and A Lard @285,

Not touchy at all, lad, I just can't abide your agreement with A Lard @285 in his first come elitism post regards people who don't post often being in the "intellectual minority" and felt important to point out you are backing a known winner here so doesn't make you clever or inventive but his post itself was purely arrogant.

It may surprise you and Lard that there are people who read TW regularly, some time for years as patrons also of the site, without posting – me being one. And let the empty vessels make ALL the noise, should they chose to take to the keyboards because of their feelings over Carlo, rightly or wrongly, their opinions are just as valid and should be welcomed.

If you think what Eddie achieved at Bournemouth with shite players does not warrant him being mentioned in the same post as Carlo who has had no end of riches at his disposal, that's fine – make the point... but at least read the post before you dismiss it. I am actually agreeing with you regards Carlo. So I will have a cuppa, thanks, and invite you to do the same. ;)

Cheers

Andy @306,

Yes, thanks, they have achieved totally different "types" of success; both valid, both should be credited. I am a firm believer somebody will appoint Eddie and he will prove himself... if not us, so be it. If he had similar success in the business world, he would have been snapped up by now.

Andrew Laird
308 Posted 20/12/2019 at 00:12:28
Get some sleep, Jer...... in getting my name wrong twice you really told me! (or were you being really clever?) who knows? Eddie Howe.....
Jer Kiernan
309 Posted 20/12/2019 at 00:27:15
@A Lard 308
Retract your post at 285 it has no place on a open fans forum and paints you as a pathetic torch burner frontin a mob, Just cas you spent your life on here doesnt not make your points more valid or thoughtfull than others who post selectively, In my experience on TW I would suggest less if truth be known

And I for one agree with you on Carlo but would prefer not be lumped in with your "intellectual majority" if you don't mind. I am probably not worthy of such an honour

Nite now ;)

Andrew Laird
310 Posted 20/12/2019 at 00:34:29
3 times. A quick learner then. Good night Jer.
Derek Thomas
311 Posted 19/12/2019 at 00:45:16
Nowt happened yet, Schrodinger & Hiesenberg still fannying around up in the Boardroom then? Or is it a done deal and they're just letting Ferguson have a quiet run at the Arsenal game before sending up the white smoke?

I hope Burnley's copy of the script for Kenwrights latest boxing day extravaganza has not got held up in the Christmas Post... Dyche would like nothing more than to come and star as the evil villain and spoil our party (oh no he wouldn't)

On a lighter note: When it was just Ferguson vs Moyes and every other unproven / has been no-mark - I was with Team Ferguson. (Deep down, I still am...)

I am... like many Evertonians, well versed in the art of Double Think and the teary Boys Pen Bill side of me (I wrote a 'tired and emotional' piece right after Chelsea, which MK in his wisdom, probably correctly, sat on... though it might, depending on circumstance, stand an airing after Arsenal)... Anywho, I was quite prepared to go 'all-in' and let him run with it.

Then Ancelotti suddenly appeared like the genie from the lamp, well, it was just too good to be true.

But as per the Surname and 60 years of experience – I have my doubts, not least, he isn't even officially here yet.

Is this another Moshiri vanity signing? Where's Brands in all this? Is this Zlatan thing more evidence? (more double-think, but wouldn't mind him to be honest) is the only thing worse than being talked about, not being talked about?

But it's Christmas, ffs, the most magical time of the year, It's Jimmy Stewart, It's A Wonderful Life, God bless us all said Tiny Tim, etc, etc.

Yet.

You know what they say about - if it all seems too good to be true...

Ancelotti? Me, I'm having an each way bet on 'Bar Humbug' (form; flatters to deceive, has shown recent improvement, lacks proven staying power, doesn't like heavy going) in the 12:30 at Goodison.

Eric Myles
312 Posted 20/12/2019 at 01:50:59
Conor #271, maybe Nan City, or Mikel Arteta himself, think he needs to prove himself elsewhere before he's ready to take over from Pep in a couple of years?
Eric Myles
313 Posted 20/12/2019 at 02:02:08
Derek #223, I've been to Melbourne so I know what you mean. They say there "if you don't like the weather just wait 10 minutes, it'll change."

Wonderful people though, the best bunch I met all over Aus, remind me of Scousers, but can't talk proper like what we does.

Derek Thomas
314 Posted 20/12/2019 at 02:20:50
Eric @313; I've been there often enough now I even understand Aussie Rules now. Its probably not as bad as I paint it, I even keep a set of Winter / Melbourne coats and stuff at the lads house. But I'm used to Brisbane weather, if it goes below 18c, I close the doors and put a jumper on. I quite like that Melbourne Bitter too, but them prices, even in a bog-standard local bar, 40% mark up on my local.
Eric Myles
315 Posted 20/12/2019 at 02:30:51
I'm also a fan of the Melbourne Bitter Derek, although most people prefer the VB.

I've lived most of my life in the tropics since leaving Liverpool so anything below 30C is too cold for me, 18C would have me in a parka, indoors.

Billy Roberts
316 Posted 20/12/2019 at 03:01:32
Jer Kernan @307,

I would prefer Ancelotti style success if you don't mind, rather than Eddie Howe "success". That's great for Bournemouth and Eddie, it really is, but not for Everton.

You say Eddie would be snapped up in the business world; this is the football world. The only currency is trophies or European positions.

We are investing in someone who has done it all; you and I can't predict the future, we can only throw our weight behind the best bet (or the latest gamble). Ancelotti is that man now.

Gerry Killen
317 Posted 20/12/2019 at 03:38:26
I can imagine the scene at Goodison on Boxing Day:

We are awaiting the introduction of our new manager and his team, the sun is shining on a cold winter's day, the siren has just died down, then the speakers go full blast with Pavarotti's Nessun Dorma, then the intro, then we all sing That's Amore, though I would leave all the presentation to Bill – remember “He aint Heavy”? He is good at something...

Just my imagination, folks, but, seriously, I would like to give the Italians a warm Merseyside welcome, it will be a wonderful day. COYB

Kim Vivian
318 Posted 20/12/2019 at 09:12:09
A long, long way into the debate/discussions surrounding this imminent appointment, but just to echo Alan Stubbs comments on talk sport, I wonder how much Duncan's achievement of demonstrating over the last couple of weeks just what the players are capable of has influenced Ancelotti's decision.

If the squad had continued with their abject performances after Silva left, surely the proposition would have been considerably less than mouthwatering and CA might not have been tempted. We may have even more to thank Duncan for than we actually give him credit for.

The imminent announcement of Carlo Ancelotti to Everton seems almost surreal. Wake me up someone.

Trevor Peers
319 Posted 20/12/2019 at 09:31:36
Ray Jacques
320 Posted 20/12/2019 at 11:20:25
Oh dear, some people thinking Eddie Howe is a better option than Ancelotti, 3 times Champions League winner plus multiple championships (inc Premier League) v manager of Bournemouth (who couldnt handle Burnley) need to give themselves a shake.

The arguement that he can only manage with loads of cash is flawed. The best managers will always end up at the best clubs, they don't get there by chance. Think of the analogy that the best drivers always end up in the best cars in Formula 1, the best jockeys end up on the best horses.

If he was not a top manager, then he wouldn't have managed (and been successful) at a number of the best clubs in the world.

Ancelloti is a major coup for Everton and hopefully a sign of good times ahead. Eddie Howe... ha ha, get Martinez or Silva back then!!!

David Hayes
321 Posted 20/12/2019 at 21:41:35
Recently posted a massive concern about the rumored next Everton manager. To be greeted by " Who are you, not a frequent poster. The reasons why toffees don't post their heartfelt opinions is that a small intrenched group of diatribe gobshites bore us to death. If you can't make a point in less than 150 words you don't have point its just a rant. Support Everton together or take you anger somewhere else
Jer Kiernan
322 Posted 20/12/2019 at 23:56:28
@David 321
There is childlike herd mentality stinking out all forums on the net unfortunately TW is no exception, they remind me of the fat slouches drapped over the stereotyped hillbilly bars when a stranger enters!!

They are constantly looking for validation and to make TW an echo chamber and anybody with different views is shot down (they know who they are btw)

Is funny though when you pull them up on it they vanish into thin air ? Is assumed by some that spouting out concensus opinions and grabbing a bunch of stats from transfermrktcom or wiki makes an "expert"

In saying that there are also a lot of very insightful reasoned types on TW and some who are willing to discuss issues and take on and debate differing views and also some great humour

The diversity of opinions is what gives a forum its strength, keep on postin :) I am glad we are getting Carlo as opposed to some of the names being touted but like i have my doubts also

Jason Davenport
323 Posted 21/12/2019 at 00:31:52
Still no announcement. I am getting concerned now.
Mike Gaynes
324 Posted 21/12/2019 at 00:39:40
Kim #318, interesting point you make, or rather credit to Stubbs. No doubt Ancelotti would have been watching to see if these players showed any of what you folks call "bottle" in the adversity of Silva's departure. They certainly did, and credit to Dunc for getting it out of them -- not to mention what he showed Carlo on his own behalf.

David #321, I use that little wheel thingie on my mouse to scroll right past the 12-paragraph epics and the temper tantrums (not to mention specific authors). Adds immensely to the enjoyment of TW. Give it a try.

Jeff Spiers
325 Posted 21/12/2019 at 07:53:08
David@321 and Jer@322. Superb analysis. Thanks
Colin Glassar
326 Posted 21/12/2019 at 08:36:37
Just hope he's confirmed today as this is like watching paint dry.

Hopefully, Ancellotti can be the football guru Moshiri has always wanted/needed to turn this club around. Amateur hour is over, let's the professionals take over.

Kevin Molloy
327 Posted 21/12/2019 at 08:46:55
This should have been done by now. Just for mood music, he really needed to be in the stands for the game today, but for that to happen you would think it would have been announced by now. The fact that this will Ibe taking nearly a week in the full spotlight tells me he is in no great rush to take the job. And that really does matter. The reason that blond bellend was such a disaster was that he didn't really want to be here. Remember him not even breaking his holiday when we stuffed twenty million quid in his pocket? I don't have reservations about Ancelloti's talents to mould a team like Everton as some do, but I am very concerned by his attitude and motivation. If he gives off the slightest whiff that he doesn't really want to be here, we are dead in the water, just like last time.
Phil Martin
328 Posted 21/12/2019 at 08:49:29
I agree, this should've been announced before now. Can you imagine the fury should this fall through and we end up with Dyche or Moyes.
Brent Stephens
329 Posted 21/12/2019 at 09:03:14
#285 "Lots of posters names on here I don't recognise or haven't posted about any other subject only coming on to say what a mistake it will be to hire a proven, world renowned football manager. Take a bow people, it takes all sorts and thankfully you are in an intellectual minority."

Sometimes less is more.

And do you reserve your approval for those who rarely come on here but have posted their approval for CA?

John Cook
330 Posted 21/12/2019 at 09:48:53
See that gobshite Merson sounding off again saying we're in cloud cuckoo land getting Ancelloti as manager... What a tit
Steve Ferns
331 Posted 21/12/2019 at 10:09:30
It just makes me want Ancelotti more when all these establishment figures are terrified that we've gone and got the most successful manager available, and one who's won more than all of the Big Six managers.
Anthony Murphy
332 Posted 21/12/2019 at 10:31:45
Kevin, I agree.

If Ancelotti has agreed to take the role, I hope he is there today because if not and it then transpires he was on his hols it just sends out the wrong message. The money this guy will be on - he needs to not be half arsed al la Koeman.

Steve, I hope the media perceptions are used by the club to further motivate and drive the club forward. Duncan would be aware of such patronising nonsense and it would fire him up more. Let's hope Carlo sees it the same way

Robert Tressell
333 Posted 21/12/2019 at 10:42:52
Totally agree Steve. Media seemed to have decided Moyes and Everton deserved each other. Ancelotti does not fit their narrative. Top manager, rich backer, stadium on the way - big opportunity for us when Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea are not what they were.
Andrew Laird
334 Posted 21/12/2019 at 10:42:58
Brent 329. “Sometimes less is more”, yes I remember My favourite beer mat.

After all the vitriol, terrible performances of the last 18 months, Theo Walcott, cenk tosun, schneiderlin, Kenwrights grid on the screen, losing to Norwich etc etc etc the final straw for some is attempting to secure the services of one of the most successful managers of all time. A little odd.

My approval is neither here nor there, it's just an opinion like.

Brent Stephens
335 Posted 21/12/2019 at 10:46:20
Andrew. Ditto, like.
Andy Walker
336 Posted 21/12/2019 at 10:58:50
Ancellotti in and end of DOF position please.
Jimmy Hogan
337 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:09:48
I think sometimes we get too wound up by the media. As far as they are concerned, we have been a mid table team for much of the Premier League era, we've fired 4 managers in less than 4 years and we are cuurently sitting 5th from bottom. They are not going to treat us like a big, powerful club until we have changed perceptions. I hope Ancellotti will be the man to do it.
George McKane
338 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:21:45
After my recent trips to Napoli - Carlo will be in The Dark House at 12.00 for a pint with the boys.
Steve Brown
339 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:23:04
Done!
Neil Copeland
340 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:25:02
Fantastic timing
Liam Reilly
341 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:27:48
Wow, he's only gone and signed. Fantastic! Delighted
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

342 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:31:09
I hope he is at Goodison to be presented to the crowd today.

Duncan's farewell game. Carlo's coronation. The place will be ROCKING!

Let's have a performance on the pitch to match it.

Michael Barrett
343 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:32:21
It better work this time..or we will be laughing stocks COYB
Alan McGuffog
344 Posted 21/12/2019 at 11:45:34
Talking of managers there's a lovely clip on the BBC of Slippy behaving with majesty -like dignity as one of the Heebees clogs one of his Huns.

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