Gbamin facing further surgery on problem thigh

Interesting on Williamson. I rated him at west ham but I heard Kendall suggest injuries apart he wasn’t any good.

Gomes should be back next season but will he be the same ? He's had his own niggling injuries before this latest. Not convinced he'll be dependable long term. Another Delph possibly.

Everton hadn't misdiagnosed my injury problem.

I think a better phrase would be the highly qualified medical consultants to which Everton sent me were unable to treat my problem as despite being the best in the world, they got it wrong.

Much as we want to malign the medical staff at Everton at being only one grade up from a bunch of quacks, then the people who operated each time on JPG will have been ones of the best in the Country/Europe/World. You don't spent £20m on a player and then get some butcher fresh out of medical school to do the operation.

I would like to see Holgate getting more time in that position he looked very comfortable when asked to play there.

Richarlison will be sold this evening at 22:55. However I have no knowledge or information to back this up.

Well he started it................................

This setback is not, however, a major surprise to me. All the reading I did indicated that this was a 9-to-12 month injury, and I was startled that he was back in training after less than four. By way of comparison, NBA star Victor Oladipo returned to the court Wednesday night, one year and one week after suffering the same injury.

We should definitely NOT judge the medicos for this -- I agree with Phil that Gbamin will have had the best of the best, but sometimes things just don't work out.

And Mike #9, I don't think we should make a panic buy in the final hours of the window just because of this. The season is essentially done -- we're not going to Europe, we're not going down, we're out of the Cups, so let's just get through the next few months and wait to see what Marcel and Carlo can do in the summer window.

(And by the way, Oladipo was great the other night, so let's definitely not give up on Gbamin.)

The yanks never landed on the moon. No evidence to back this up but...

I was simply repeating what Danny Williamson told me when he was out injured.

As to my thoughts, I keep an open mind. I started my post saying I felt so sorry for Gbamin, which is what I feel – and feel is most relevant now and indeed important.

I made the comment on Danny Williamson because of the fact Gavin had mentioned the name and brought him up. Maybe drop Danny a line and tell him next time he is trying to sell a house, not to use such inappropriate words!

I am sure he was pissed off about his injury predicament and where he was at with it when I met him, so any anger on his part would be understandable. I felt that he just wanted to play football which I applaud.

How do you recover from such a serious injury? Surely rest, rest and more rest would be hugely important.

How can the Everton medical staff get no credit for Gomes's speedy recovery but all of the blame for Gbamin? I can't see the logic there...

I fear for Gbamin as much of his game is built on his speed. I believe this injury could significantly affect his pace. Fingers crossed for him.

https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2011/01/elvis-sandwich-peanut-butter-banana-bacon.html

I think he eliminated the bacon for health reasons.

This is a notch up from Rooney’s granny shuttle between Liverpool and Manchester.

There must be countless stories of professional footballers either playing through serious injuries on painkillers or injections along with being misdiagnosed. Let alone the ones that kept quiet. At Everton, I'm thinking of Michael Ball, Big Dunc, Dan Gosling, Michael Keane, but the list must be pretty long.

It just takes time, patience and a good surgeon. And Oladipo is three years older than Gbamin.

Don't give up on him.

Comedy gold, I thought at the time, and still do. Nice fella, I thought. Had a room full of football boots and trainers along with a treadmill in there too. For whatever reason, I didn't buy the house!

Another major difference between Olapido and Gbamin is the sports they play. Olapido plays with tremendous strength and power, more so than Gbamin, but it's the kicking action that Gbamin will have to repeat hundreds of times a week that puts a shuddering and jolting pressure on the muscle and tendons in the knee. It's unique to football, and it's why he will struggle more than basketball or baseball players who have made recoveries from similar injuries. Gbamin's setback and further surgery was sadly predictable.

If he's had three operations on the same problem, it becomes difficult to be optimistic for him. Expect him to be out for some or all of next season and then?

I'll echo what Mike Gaynes said, no panic buys, we're not going down and we'll have so much more choice at better prices come the summer.

Oladipo is 12 months into his. Gbamin is a bit over 3 months into his.

You may be right, you may not... but if you don't mind, I'll wait until the one-year mark before deciding whether the surgical decision made in Gbamin's case has been "undeniably proven to be the wrong one." Since we don't know the comparative specifics of their two injuries, a reasonable measure will be to compare the timing, and completeness, of Gbamin's comeback to Oladipo's.

Also, we know nothing of Oladipo's possible setbacks along the way, including whether he had additional procedures. Neither he nor the Pacers said a word during the entire process.

Gbamin was first injured in September and operated on in October. As far as I'm concerned, that means the jury will remain out for quite some time. If he's not back in our midfield next fall, you will have been proven correct... but not until then, IMO.

I enjoyed that anecdote a lot.

I continue to believe that our deployment of this player for his first time in the Premier League when plainly not match fit, and with a history of thigh injury, was deeply foolish.

I just noticed that too. I guess it is him. The medical staff were good in my day also. Especially the year I scored 60 goals to top that Boro fellow.

We can't wait and see. We need to take a worse case scenario approach and identify a long term replacement to bring in in the summer.
I hope he makes a quick, full recovery but I'm worried for him.

We then unbelievably bought an older player in with a worse injury record and surprise surprise he's been mostly injured. I think Delph is a good midfielder but you can't rely on a player with such a poor injury record.

Gomes also needs to prove himself having also had a few bad injuries over the last few years. I can't blame Gana for going but would love him or similar in the summer.

Fitness and robustness can't be overlooked because of age. We need top quality, first team ready players in the summer. Midfield has always been a key position. We're average because our midfield is.

It was reported prior to his signing that he was injury prone.

Hope his operation is successful and he makes a full recovery.

I’ve heard that your brain can misread things that are spelt wrong cause your brain interprets what you expect to read instead of what you are reading. Maybe we are the only ones who read the actual words?

Gbamin was NOT, repeat NOT, injury prone when we bought him. On the contrary, he was remarkably durable.

He had missed about eight games over the previous THREE SEASONS in the Bundesliga. Total. Last season, he missed the first two out of 34 that Mainz played due to a thigh strain. He didn't miss a game due to injury the rest of the season. In a league that tough, he qualifies as an iron man.

So please stop spreading the BS about him being injury-prone. This is the first serious problem of his career.

Yes HK signed him. What I read was Kendall said “I thought I was signing a really good player with Danny Williamson. He was my biggest disappointment.” The interviewer — I think it was the Echo — didn’t follow up with a “how was he disappointing? Cause he got injured? Cause he’s crap?” So it was a bit of a cryptic remark that left me wondering as I really rated him personally pre Everton and I was quite excited when he signed.

I do distinctly remember reading a Article at that time referring to Gbamin as being injury prone. It appears to have been inaccurate according to information in your post.

I had assumed the article was correct, which goes to show you should never assume, because if you assume you make a _ass_out of_u_and_me_

Sorry Mr Brands, but I have been of the opinion that you had to take risks on injury prone players in the transfer market given Evertons reputation as a career move. In the main it has worked out.

Gbamin was a really good footballer with stats to prove it, as Sam confirmed at the time. Therefore it is really bad luck for Gbamin and Everton. Hope his operation is a success and he makes a complete recovery, he has youth on his side.

I agree with you 100%

Gomes is quality, but we need him fully fit, not rushed back for the sake of a league position.

What will be, will be. Andre is here for the long term, not the short term!

Onwards and upwards. Andre is part of our future.

I agree.

I have 0 knowledge of this type of injury, but a friend of mine told me about a current NBA player who suffered the same, and he's not been able to come back at 100%. Hope that's not the case for him/us.

It's almost like the last lingering disaster from Silva. JPG had just played his last game for Ivory Coast in the 2019 AFCON in mid-July, 3 weeks before we signed him, and if memory serves, only had maybe 7-8 days of pre-season training. He went as far to tell Silva he "didn't feel fit" but Marco still slotted him directly into the starting XI. What a terrible decision that turned out to be.

Here's to hoping he comes back to become an integral midfielder for 2020/21.

The following were: Pickford, Schneiderlein, Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Keane, Sandro. (Most 1st teamers).

We made/will make losses on Klaassen, Sandro, Bolasie but made/will make gains on Gueye, Lookman and Pickford (if sold). Likes of Williams and Martina came on frees.

There were some duds and some okay signings so, on the whole, I'm not sure how you can say Koeman 'wrecked the club'.

Martinez signed a lot of dross as well as some good players. Silva signed Gbamin. Unfortunate injury but none of us can say whether he'll work out – may never play for us as it is. Mina also doesn't seem a £25M defender to me and Kean will hopefully come good under Ancelotti (certainly wasn't performing under Silva) – these three alone cost the club about £75M. Also signed Delph on about £100k/week wages and his contribution has been questionable to date.

Managers make good and bad signings and unfortunately the bad ones hang around for ages because no-one else wants them. (Look how much Man Utd are still paying Sanchez a week and he doesn't even play for them!)