Gbamin facing further surgery on problem thigh

Friday, 31 January, 2020 73comments  |  Jump to last

Jean-Philippe Gbamin has suffered a fresh setback in his recovery from a serious quadriceps injury and is set to undergo another operation.

The Ivorian made just two starts for Everton following a £23m move from Mainz last summer before tearing a muscle in his thigh during training.

The injury ended up being much worse than feared and Gbamin has reportedly had two surgeries already and had returned to an individualised training regimen this month.

He had been pencilled in for March for a potential return to action but it now looks as though he might not play until the closing stages of the season if he is able to figure this term at all.

There was better news for André Gomes, however. Carlo Ancelotti says the Portuguese expects to be back in an Everton jersey before the end of February despite suffering a fracture dislocation of his right ankle in November.  


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Kieran Kinsella
1 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:44:27
There was a lot of discussion on here right after his injury about how this particular issue can drag on and on and have serious or career ending consequences. I'm sadly not surprised to hear this news. It's just bad luck. Reminds me of years ago under Moyes when we signed Rodrigo. He had a serious injury right off the bat and his career never really recovered.
Minik Hansen
2 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:47:39
Well, at least it's someone to look forward to in pre-season, though the hope is he hits the ground running at that time. Still wishing a quick recovery for him.
Philip McKeown
3 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:53:48
Doesn't feel like this has been handled very well by the medical team. However I don't have the knowledge to say this for certain.
On a positive, Gomes is a machine
Gavin Johnson
4 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:03:02
Danny Williamson MK II
Tony Everan
5 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:11:19
It's a nightmare for him and for us as he was our [sort of ] Gana replacement , as the way Gana was playing in 2019 he was irreplaceable.. I hope his injury improves and has a good full pre-season. This season is a write off, can't see the point in him being rushed back now.
Dave McDowell
6 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:14:42
You have to feel so sorry for JPG, coming into the peak phase of his career with a new challenge in the worlds most competitive league and he gets a devastating injury. It’s not the most common injury we hear about in football so that’s also a concern and I’ve read of NBA players with this injury who had to retire. I hope the lad takes solace from Gomes recovery but it would seem best to write off this whole season with the hope that time and proper rehabilitation gives him a chance of full recovery.
Graham Hammond
7 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:24:59
I have to wholeheartedly agree with Dave McDowell, I feel so sorry for the lad. Just as Gavin Johnson referenced, I also thought of Danny Williamson! I have my doubts sadly as to whether JPG will ever play for us, obviously, I hope I am wrong and I hope he can shine for us going forward. Different age and with different staff, but I will never forget Danny Williamson telling me Everton had misdiagnosed his injury problem.
Christy Ring
8 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:33:30
Very sad to hear, a big setback, and now surgery for the third time, doesn't sound at all good. But hopefully this time, he'll make a full recovery.
Mike Allison
9 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:34:33
We need to sign a replacement and we’ve known that for about four months. We’ve now got about 6hrs.
Kieran Kinsella
10 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:05:32
Graham

Interesting on Williamson. I rated him at west ham but I heard Kendall suggest injuries apart he wasn’t any good.

Pat Kelly
11 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:08:02
Gbamin may never play again based on previous comments on his type of injury, so we have to plan without him.

Gomes should be back next season but will he be the same ? He's had his own niggling injuries before this latest. Not convinced he'll be dependable long term. Another Delph possibly.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
12 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:13:16
Graham #7.

Everton hadn't misdiagnosed my injury problem.

I think a better phrase would be the highly qualified medical consultants to which Everton sent me were unable to treat my problem as despite being the best in the world, they got it wrong.

Much as we want to malign the medical staff at Everton at being only one grade up from a bunch of quacks, then the people who operated each time on JPG will have been ones of the best in the Country/Europe/World. You don't spent £20m on a player and then get some butcher fresh out of medical school to do the operation.

Phil Smith
13 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:23:57
WTF???
Joe McMahon
14 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:29:00
He's not having the best of luck is he. Why does this always happen to us.
Mike Dolan
15 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:29:45
Its almost impossible to project what type of player he will be. We simply did not see enough of him. I do seem to remember that when we first signed him Marco Silva went to pains to say that Gbamin was NOT a direct replacement for Gana. I wish the lad well for a quick recovery. As has been pointed out it is not unusual to have this type of set back from such a complex injury. The good news is though is that if they expect him back before the end of the season, it sounds like a small procedure this time.

I would like to see Holgate getting more time in that position he looked very comfortable when asked to play there.

Brian Williams
16 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:29:51
Doesn't feel like this has been handled very well by the medical team. However I don't have the knowledge to say this for certain.

Richarlison will be sold this evening at 22:55. However I have no knowledge or information to back this up.

Well he started it................................

Mike Gaynes
17 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:34:29
Very, very unfortunate -- for the club, yes, but more so for the player. Imagine how heartbreaking it must be for him to come to a new club with a huge opportunity to shine, and then have something like this happen.

This setback is not, however, a major surprise to me. All the reading I did indicated that this was a 9-to-12 month injury, and I was startled that he was back in training after less than four. By way of comparison, NBA star Victor Oladipo returned to the court Wednesday night, one year and one week after suffering the same injury.

We should definitely NOT judge the medicos for this -- I agree with Phil that Gbamin will have had the best of the best, but sometimes things just don't work out.

And Mike #9, I don't think we should make a panic buy in the final hours of the window just because of this. The season is essentially done -- we're not going to Europe, we're not going down, we're out of the Cups, so let's just get through the next few months and wait to see what Marcel and Carlo can do in the summer window.

(And by the way, Oladipo was great the other night, so let's definitely not give up on Gbamin.)

Brent Stephens
18 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:34:38
I wish the lad well, as I'm sure we all do. I have not the slightest knowledge about this type of injury, nor the usual treatment for it, nor the diagnosis and treatment of his condition. So I'm not going to tell you where Everton went wrong.

The yanks never landed on the moon. No evidence to back this up but...

Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:39:09
Brent #18, yep, and unfortunately I have no evidence to prove that was Elvis I saw in the grocery store last night, buying peanut butter and bananas, just before closing. I'd left my smartphone in the car, so no photos.
Graham Hammond
20 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:45:53
Phil #12.

I was simply repeating what Danny Williamson told me when he was out injured.

As to my thoughts, I keep an open mind. I started my post saying I felt so sorry for Gbamin, which is what I feel – and feel is most relevant now and indeed important.

I made the comment on Danny Williamson because of the fact Gavin had mentioned the name and brought him up. Maybe drop Danny a line and tell him next time he is trying to sell a house, not to use such inappropriate words!

I am sure he was pissed off about his injury predicament and where he was at with it when I met him, so any anger on his part would be understandable. I felt that he just wanted to play football which I applaud.

Brent Stephens
21 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:50:03
Mike, Elvis didn't like peanut butter so I'm a bit dubious about your claim.
Jay Evans
22 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:58:40
Steve Ferns called this about a month or so ago. If I recall correctly, Steve's source explained that Gbamin's thigh muscle basically exploded!

How do you recover from such a serious injury? Surely rest, rest and more rest would be hugely important.

Steve Ferns
23 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:02:15
Gutted for the lad.

How can the Everton medical staff get no credit for Gomes's speedy recovery but all of the blame for Gbamin? I can't see the logic there...

I fear for Gbamin as much of his game is built on his speed. I believe this injury could significantly affect his pace. Fingers crossed for him.

Steve Ferns
24 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:02:47
My source was a lad at the ground, though, Jay!
Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:13:59
Brent #21:

https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2011/01/elvis-sandwich-peanut-butter-banana-bacon.html

I think he eliminated the bacon for health reasons.

Colin Glassar
26 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:14:56
I wrote a few months ago that I'd read this was a career-ending injury. Gutted for the lad but I doubt we'll ever see him in an Everton shirt. I hope I'm wrong.
Colin Glassar
27 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:21:55
Mike, Elvis used to have his cook in Memphis prepare his sarnies and have them flown out to Las Vegas where he was performing. They’d still be warm by the time he got them.

This is a notch up from Rooney’s granny shuttle between Liverpool and Manchester.

Tommy Carter
28 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:21:58
To pop a thigh in the way in which he has is some doing. This kind of injury is usually a reflection of a muscle or muscle group being worked well beyond its capabilities. I don’t know what has happened here but it is very concerning.
Jay Evans
29 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:24:56
Aha Steve, the plot thickens. Sometimes those type of sources are the most reliable, though, right? 🤔😂👍🏼
Steve Ferns
30 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:29:55
Definitely, Jay. Some of the most unbelievable things to happen at Everton are revealed through rumours and dismissed but then you find out later that it was in fact true.
Duncan McDine
31 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:30:01
I for one appreciate your Williamson quote, Graham, so thanks for sharing... I remember him being signed for what seemed like a big fee back then in the mid-90s, but never saw him play.

There must be countless stories of professional footballers either playing through serious injuries on painkillers or injections along with being misdiagnosed. Let alone the ones that kept quiet. At Everton, I'm thinking of Michael Ball, Big Dunc, Dan Gosling, Michael Keane, but the list must be pretty long.

Mike Gaynes
32 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:31:08
Colin #27, not necessarily. This is Oladipo's return after a year of rehab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUHxWWDaBLw

It just takes time, patience and a good surgeon. And Oladipo is three years older than Gbamin.

Don't give up on him.

Colin Glassar
33 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:34:58
Fingers crossed then Mike. I always remember Dean Ashton who had an injury similar to Gomes a few ago and had to retire at 25. I suppose sports medicine has improved since then.
Graham Hammond
34 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:57:37
Duncan #31. The other thing I remember about meeting Danny Williamson and doing the house viewing that day was the fact that Danny had put his Mum on a train to come all the way to Chester from East London because he said he needed someone to clean his house for him prior to the viewing!

Comedy gold, I thought at the time, and still do. Nice fella, I thought. Had a room full of football boots and trainers along with a treadmill in there too. For whatever reason, I didn't buy the house!

Brent Stephens
35 Posted 31/01/2020 at 19:05:20
Mike #25 - "he eliminated bacon for health reasons"! Cracker. That's why he lasted so long?
Duncan McDine
36 Posted 31/01/2020 at 19:11:14
His Mum obviously didn't clean up the place to your standard, Graham!
Graham Hammond
37 Posted 31/01/2020 at 19:19:18
Maybe so Duncan, if Danny had told her she was on the first train back down South after the viewing was done then I can hardly blame for if she did indeed cut corners! Think it was more the configuration of the house in all honesty, my memory is not great these days!
Chris Gould
38 Posted 31/01/2020 at 20:17:09
Mike #32, there's a massive difference between Olapido's rehab and Gbamin's. Olapido had surgery days after the injury. Gbamin didn't. The prognosis for this type of injury is much better if the athlete has surgery within the first week. That's a fact. The medical staff made the wrong call with Gbamin and chose to not operate. Then weeks later he had a massive setback and the operation could no longer be avoided. It isn't to say that it was an uneducated or negligent decision, but it has undeniably proven to be the wrong one.

Another major difference between Olapido and Gbamin is the sports they play. Olapido plays with tremendous strength and power, more so than Gbamin, but it's the kicking action that Gbamin will have to repeat hundreds of times a week that puts a shuddering and jolting pressure on the muscle and tendons in the knee. It's unique to football, and it's why he will struggle more than basketball or baseball players who have made recoveries from similar injuries. Gbamin's setback and further surgery was sadly predictable.

Rob Marsh
39 Posted 31/01/2020 at 21:04:37
I don't know all the details of his injury, but one thing I am sure of is that he hasn't had poor quality medical care, it's in the club's interest to give their players the best possible medical treatment.

If he's had three operations on the same problem, it becomes difficult to be optimistic for him. Expect him to be out for some or all of next season and then?

I'll echo what Mike Gaynes said, no panic buys, we're not going down and we'll have so much more choice at better prices come the summer.

Mike Gaynes
40 Posted 31/01/2020 at 21:49:23
Chris #38, you're kinda overlooking one other "massive difference between Olapido's rehab and Gbamin's."

Oladipo is 12 months into his. Gbamin is a bit over 3 months into his.

You may be right, you may not... but if you don't mind, I'll wait until the one-year mark before deciding whether the surgical decision made in Gbamin's case has been "undeniably proven to be the wrong one." Since we don't know the comparative specifics of their two injuries, a reasonable measure will be to compare the timing, and completeness, of Gbamin's comeback to Oladipo's.

Also, we know nothing of Oladipo's possible setbacks along the way, including whether he had additional procedures. Neither he nor the Pacers said a word during the entire process.

Gbamin was first injured in September and operated on in October. As far as I'm concerned, that means the jury will remain out for quite some time. If he's not back in our midfield next fall, you will have been proven correct... but not until then, IMO.

Mike Gaynes
41 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:07:43
By the way, Chris, please take my post as the most respectful possible counterpoint. Judging by the description I read of you in a certain published account, I should disagree with you very, very politely.

I enjoyed that anecdote a lot.

Chris Gould
42 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:15:19
Mike, I'm simply regurgitating what I have been told by an expert in the field. I hope that Gbamin proves him wrong, but I doubt he will. It is a fact that the prognosis is so much better if the operation is carried out within the first week of the injury. All of the reports regarding Olapido's rehab state that he had surgery 5 days after the injury. No suggestion of further surgery, which would have been reported. But you're right, let's hope for the best and see how things transpire.
Mike Gaynes
43 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:22:09
Yep, Chris, I read the same thing as the expert told you. Given Gbamin's youth, however, I'm just more optimistic.
Si Cooper
44 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:26:26
Maybe no one seems to have reacted because it’s common knowledge, but is Phil (Kelsall) Roberts a.k.a. Danny Williamson?
The protracted injury lay-off we can now expect for JPG seems like exactly the sort of thing that FFP should have some flexibility for. Looks like we are desperately hoping for a speedy full recovery for Gomes and a couple of other midfielders stepping it up a couple of notches for the rest of the season.
Tony Hill
45 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:40:29
I share Chris Gould's view of the likely outcome.

I continue to believe that our deployment of this player for his first time in the Premier League when plainly not match fit, and with a history of thigh injury, was deeply foolish.

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:43:49
Si

I just noticed that too. I guess it is him. The medical staff were good in my day also. Especially the year I scored 60 goals to top that Boro fellow.

Justin Doone
47 Posted 31/01/2020 at 23:28:59
We signed a young player with potential but a suspect injury record for a lot of money.
Sadly for a combative central defensive midfielder another setback before fully recovering is a disaster.

We can't wait and see. We need to take a worse case scenario approach and identify a long term replacement to bring in in the summer.
I hope he makes a quick, full recovery but I'm worried for him.

We then unbelievably bought an older player in with a worse injury record and surprise surprise he's been mostly injured. I think Delph is a good midfielder but you can't rely on a player with such a poor injury record.

Gomes also needs to prove himself having also had a few bad injuries over the last few years. I can't blame Gana for going but would love him or similar in the summer.

Fitness and robustness can't be overlooked because of age. We need top quality, first team ready players in the summer. Midfield has always been a key position. We're average because our midfield is.

Brian Williams
48 Posted 31/01/2020 at 23:41:42
The full story of the required surgery has been explained now and it's a "small operation" to "clean up the scar" from the prevoius surgery.
That puts a different slant on things and is a reason for optimism IMHO.
Jerome Shields
49 Posted 01/02/2020 at 00:30:52
Not a surprise, Steve Ferns gave us a incite into Gbamins recovering process and the extent of the injury a month ago. Further surgery was the only option it appears. Gbamin is a good footballer, but is another transferred in injury risk by Brands.

It was reported prior to his signing that he was injury prone.

Hope his operation is successful and he makes a full recovery.

Derek Thomas
50 Posted 01/02/2020 at 00:40:14
Nothing worse for a player than to get injured before you've really kicked a ball and been able to show what you can do.
When we signed him Silva said he needed a few weeks to get up to speed, suddenly (due to other injuries?) he was in the team, next thing he was injured...I hope we ticked the insurance box and kept the receipt. Or its another £23M down the swanee.
Steavey Buckley
51 Posted 01/02/2020 at 01:35:59
Although Ancelotti is hoping Gbamin will be back before the end of the season, his treatment leaves a lot to be desired from the moment he was injured. I do believe, Everton should seek sports medical services from abroad where medical expertise is higher when dealing with serious injuries than in the UK such as in the USA or Holland.
Si Cooper
52 Posted 01/02/2020 at 01:42:31
It’s a strange one Kieran. Graham doesn’t appear phased about Phil talking about ‘my injury’ when he replied after that.
Am I the only one on TW who isn’t a former Everton player using a pseudonym?
Kieran Kinsella
53 Posted 01/02/2020 at 02:19:55
Si

I’ve heard that your brain can misread things that are spelt wrong cause your brain interprets what you expect to read instead of what you are reading. Maybe we are the only ones who read the actual words?

Graham Hammond
54 Posted 01/02/2020 at 02:40:57
Si #52. It was a slightly unusual (for me at least) reaction and post from Phil (Kelsall) Roberts earlier on. It did cross my mind that he may be a Doctor or was a Doctor working for Everton in the past. The only Everton Doctor I have ever spoken to directly was one employed by Everton more recently and who worked under Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth and Silva and who does not live in Kelsall, which I assume is the place near to Delamere Forest or in that area.
Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 01/02/2020 at 02:56:04
Jerome #49, Justin #47 and everybody else, let's clear this up right now.

Gbamin was NOT, repeat NOT, injury prone when we bought him. On the contrary, he was remarkably durable.

He had missed about eight games over the previous THREE SEASONS in the Bundesliga. Total. Last season, he missed the first two out of 34 that Mainz played due to a thigh strain. He didn't miss a game due to injury the rest of the season. In a league that tough, he qualifies as an iron man.

So please stop spreading the BS about him being injury-prone. This is the first serious problem of his career.

Graham Hammond
56 Posted 01/02/2020 at 03:02:57
Kieran #10. Wasn't it Kendall who actually signed Williamson in the first place for the 1997-98 season? I just googled it and I think it said we let Dave Unsworth go to West Ham with a cash add-on in order to acquire DW. If Kendall didn't rate him then it doesn't really reflect well on him if he bought the player in the first place! Losing Dave Unsworth in the deal wasn't great business either in my opinion. Kendall's honesty is to be applauded if he did actually say that about Danny but let's face it, many in the 1997-98 squad were not great either. Injuries can take down any player and reduce the great to mediocrity, Seamus being a sad and recent example.
Steve Brown
57 Posted 01/02/2020 at 03:15:16
Si @ 44, think you have outed the fact that former players and managers are posting anonymously on TW! It is a phenomenal insight with world class potential in this moment to make the site unique.
Kieran Kinsella
58 Posted 01/02/2020 at 03:39:16
Graham

Yes HK signed him. What I read was Kendall said “I thought I was signing a really good player with Danny Williamson. He was my biggest disappointment.” The interviewer — I think it was the Echo — didn’t follow up with a “how was he disappointing? Cause he got injured? Cause he’s crap?” So it was a bit of a cryptic remark that left me wondering as I really rated him personally pre Everton and I was quite excited when he signed.

Jerome Shields
59 Posted 01/02/2020 at 06:19:55
Mike#55

I do distinctly remember reading a Article at that time referring to Gbamin as being injury prone. It appears to have been inaccurate according to information in your post.

I had assumed the article was correct, which goes to show you should never assume, because if you assume you make a _ass_out of_u_and_me_

Sorry Mr Brands, but I have been of the opinion that you had to take risks on injury prone players in the transfer market given Evertons reputation as a career move. In the main it has worked out.

Gbamin was a really good footballer with stats to prove it, as Sam confirmed at the time. Therefore it is really bad luck for Gbamin and Everton. Hope his operation is a success and he makes a complete recovery, he has youth on his side.

Martin Berry
60 Posted 01/02/2020 at 08:52:31
I hope both Gomes and Gbamin are rested until the start of next season, the former should not be rushed back either as we need our "G Force" ready then with everything totally cleared up.
We have managed without them albeit with a struggle at times,and they and we have been very unfortunate not to see the pairing at the best but we can wait.
Raymond Fox
61 Posted 01/02/2020 at 09:17:07
It doesn't bode well even for the long term.
Christy Ring
62 Posted 01/02/2020 at 10:26:59
Didn't Gbamin play in the African Nations before we signed him, so he wasn't injured.
Chris Mason
63 Posted 01/02/2020 at 10:30:49
The surgery is to remove scar tissue, which is quite routine for major surgeries. Nothing to see here
Jack Convery
64 Posted 01/02/2020 at 10:59:32
Fingers crossed for him. See him next September / October time. Any sooner will be a bonus. Danny Williamson was bought with Gareth Farrelly - thank god for GF - without that goal where would be.
Tony Hill
65 Posted 01/02/2020 at 11:14:23
His injury history on Transfermarkt seems to show quite a lengthy history of thigh problems including a 7 weeks recovery period in 2017, but I accept that may be inaccurate.
Grant Rorrison
66 Posted 01/02/2020 at 11:55:37
Jack 64. Maybe we could have signed someone capable of doing more than scoring one goal? :P
Peter Thistle
68 Posted 01/02/2020 at 19:59:45
I really wonder about our backroom staff, particularly the medical team. We have a history of bringing back players too soon and injuring them again. It's not good management at all.
Billy Roberts
69 Posted 02/02/2020 at 12:04:20
What a strange thread this has been to read.
We have a poster embodying a former "player" Danny Williamson Derek Acora style??another telling a rambling story of buying houses, mums cleaning and conversations with doctors from the club.
I can only assume everyone was a bit pissed.
We also have some world class assumptions concerning what actually happened pre op, the op itself and post op, one poster is so sure of the doomed outcome I'm starting to think he was in the theatre when the mangled surgery took place, and finally the revelation that we don't have any proper surgeons here as all this fancy medical science can only be found in the USA or Holland!
Ray Smith
70 Posted 02/02/2020 at 22:13:54
Martin 60

I agree with you 100%

Gomes is quality, but we need him fully fit, not rushed back for the sake of a league position.

What will be, will be. Andre is here for the long term, not the short term!

Onwards and upwards. Andre is part of our future.

Jerome Shields
71 Posted 03/02/2020 at 21:25:29
Peter #68,

I agree.

Pat Waine
72 Posted 04/02/2020 at 23:10:10
Koeman wrecked the club and left us with a load of players that are not good enough and we can not move on. That's why FFP is a barrier on us recruiting, even though we are badly in need.
Mark Guglielmo
73 Posted 05/02/2020 at 18:15:40
I feel so bad for the kid. Just a toss-away of his season at only 24.

I have 0 knowledge of this type of injury, but a friend of mine told me about a current NBA player who suffered the same, and he's not been able to come back at 100%. Hope that's not the case for him/us.

It's almost like the last lingering disaster from Silva. JPG had just played his last game for Ivory Coast in the 2019 AFCON in mid-July, 3 weeks before we signed him, and if memory serves, only had maybe 7-8 days of pre-season training. He went as far to tell Silva he "didn't feel fit" but Marco still slotted him directly into the starting XI. What a terrible decision that turned out to be.

Here's to hoping he comes back to become an integral midfielder for 2020/21.

Denis Richardson
74 Posted 06/02/2020 at 18:11:01
Pat 72 - the following current players were not signed by Koeman: Niasse, Tosun, Walcott, Besic, Tarashaj. Don't think anyone would shed a tear if they all left.

The following were: Pickford, Schneiderlein, Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Keane, Sandro. (Most 1st teamers).

We made/will make losses on Klaassen, Sandro, Bolasie but made/will make gains on Gueye, Lookman and Pickford (if sold). Likes of Williams and Martina came on frees.

There were some duds and some okay signings so, on the whole, I'm not sure how you can say Koeman 'wrecked the club'.

Martinez signed a lot of dross as well as some good players. Silva signed Gbamin. Unfortunate injury but none of us can say whether he'll work out – may never play for us as it is. Mina also doesn't seem a £25M defender to me and Kean will hopefully come good under Ancelotti (certainly wasn't performing under Silva) – these three alone cost the club about £75M. Also signed Delph on about £100k/week wages and his contribution has been questionable to date.

Managers make good and bad signings and unfortunately the bad ones hang around for ages because no-one else wants them. (Look how much Man Utd are still paying Sanchez a week and he doesn't even play for them!)

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