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Palace make £8m approach for McCarthy

| Friday, 19 July 2019 136comments  |  Jump to last
Crystal Palace have firmed up their oft-reported interest in James McCarthy by submitting an offer of £8m for the Ireland international according to Sky Sports News.

The 28-year-old has battled a succession of injuries over the past few years but regained full fitness a few months ago after overcoming a double leg break.

He had dropped down the pecking order at Goodison Park in the interim and made just one Premier League appearance last season so it would appear that his best chance of playing regular first-team football and reviving his international career would be elsewhere.

Palace had been linked with a move for McCarthy on and off this summer but if this claim from Sky's Michael Bridge holds any water, it looks as though they are ready to try and strike a deal.



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Michael Ward
1 Posted 19/07/2019 at 22:50:52
Surely we can get at least £12M but, at this stage, letting him go and trying to resurrect his career is probably the fairest answer for everyone.
Sam Hoare
2 Posted 19/07/2019 at 22:53:34
If Gueye is leaving too (as fresh rumours tonight suggest) then we definitely need to bring in another midfielder.
Richard Mason
3 Posted 19/07/2019 at 22:58:06
I like McCarthy, pity really he couldn't break back into the team. Played really well in those games before breaking his leg. Hopefully sell Besic to Fulham as well and get in one class replacement
Derek Knox
4 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:04:57
Doesn't sound a bad deal, considering his age and the unlikely possibility that he will feature much under Marco, other than on the bench. Let's face it we need a clear-out, and if we can keep trimming the numbers and the wage bill, and just get some quality in we should be okay.

Integrate a few of the youngsters Broadhead, Gibson and maybe Feeney. We still need a striker and a left footed winger/goalscorer, and it looks like a Centre Back too now with Chelsea's stance on Zouma. I think a decision on Right Back is needed before long.

Richard Mason
5 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:07:04
I see Leao scored for Lille tonight in a friendly, and another striker we were linked with, Augusten from Red Bull, scored as well
Bill Gienapp
6 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:15:00
I'll drive him to the airport myself, and that's saying something because I live in Los Angeles.
Brian Williams
7 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:16:40
£8m seems awfully low for someone who will more than likely be a regular starter for them.
Mark Dunford
8 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:21:04
Has been a very good player but has hardly played recently. A relatively lower fee with additional payments after a set number of games played would be reasonable for all.
Andrew Ellams
9 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:27:07
£8million is not much different to what we have just paid for Delph so the same for McCarthy can't be too far off the mark.
Chris Gould
10 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:34:07
It seems a fair price to me. He's barely played since his horrific injury. Palace would be taking a gamble. There's no guarantee he will be anywhere near as good as he once was.
Steve Brown
11 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:34:24
They got £50 million for Wan-Bissaka, so screw them for more.
Gerry Ring
12 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:37:19
Be absolutely bonkers to sell McCarthy. Looked very sharp tonight. We’re keeping worse players & looking to let McCarthy go without giving him a chance. Schneiderlin or Davies wouldn’t lace his boots. Roy Hodgson is showing his astuteness & that should be a lesson to Silva.
Andy Crooks
13 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:45:29
I agree, Gerry. Would it not be nice for us to acquire a difficult to deal with reputation.
Gerry Ring
14 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:48:42
Bill #6. Stupid, ignorant comment. You obvious know fuck all about McCarthy & Everton! The comment is like something that a Trump would come out with!
Brian Williams
15 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:58:17
Maybe it's McCarthy plus £72m to Palace and Zaha to us? 🤣🤣
James Flynn
16 Posted 19/07/2019 at 00:01:59
Hope this one is true.

Good luck to him, but we need better talent than this guy.

David Pearl
17 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:09:27
Gerry, are you Irish? That was a bit harsh of Bill.

£8m for a fit and firing and McCarthy is a bargain and at least half of what he’s worth. We know how good he can be. Of course if he gets injured it’s the opposite. Hard call but he deserves a chance to play.

Getting some money in though by the looks of it. Let’s hope we use it wisely.

James Stewart
18 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:18:54
Seems quite low even taking into account his injury.
Gerry Ring
19 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:21:42
David, I’m am Irish Toffee & proud. My 1st cousin Tommy Ring played for Everton in the early 60s. I just don’t believe that letting McCarthy go, at this stage, is the correct decision. When fit, he’s a huge asset but Silva seems determined to offload him. I’d like to see him get the same chance as has been afforded Walcott & Schneiderlin. Is that too much to ask?
Bill Gienapp
20 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:36:57
Gerry (14) - I have nothing against McCarthy personally. I'm just not particularly excited about the notion of him limping off after 20 minutes against Crystal Palace. We've literally been doing this dance with him for five years now - at what point do you say enough is enough?

Also, I know you have a soft spot for him, so I'll let the Trump remark slide - that was cold, man. Ouch.

Jerome Shields
21 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:53:56
McCarthy has been injured on and off for some time. He has made himself available to play for Ireland instead of concentrating on his recovery and securing his place in the Everton team. I don't think he is in Silvas plans , having not been used in Jan and Feb, when he could have helped Everton floundering and overrun midfield. Maybe he will have more luck at Palace.
Rob Marsh
22 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:07:03
Brian Williams #15,p>Zaha £80M????????????

Wet his knickers at Man Utd and hasn't shown anywhere near £80m form. He's no Ronaldo, Neymar or Bale, not in that class!

Mike Gaynes
23 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:18:41
Gerry #14, for most Americans that's about the most insulting thing you could say. That's a punch-in-the-face comment. Might want to pull that back a little.

Bill #6, I don't know about Gerry's tastes in jokes, but I got a chuckle out of your comment. And there's no way you-know-who could ever say anything amusing, so try not to take the insult personally.

My opinion on McCarthy is that he's a fine player who not only suffered a terrible leg break but has had six -- count 'em, six -- hamstring injuries. That's not bad luck, that's an incurable disease. If I were Silva and Brands I'd have to shake his hand and accept Palace's offer.

Ed Prytherch
24 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:39:39
Take the £8M before they change their minds.
Mike Galley
25 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:45:35
I hope you all don't mind me getting involved in this thread. For me, James was one of my favourite players in Martinez's first season. It goes without saying that I hope I'm wrong, but I think the days off him playing top-level football at a level that we are hoping to achieve are probably over. In my opinion, we should cut the best deal for our club and he goes with my best wishes.

Gerry @14 and Mike @23, you're both esteemed contributors to this website, please leave this exchange of comments here and don't let this develop into some sort of tit-for-tat exchange. COYB.

Gerry Morrison
26 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:59:01
Gerry (19). I always wondered if you were related to Tommy Ring, now I know. I agree with you, the comment from Los Angeles was ridiculous. I think we should hang on to James and see if he still has it when he is fully fit.
David Pearl
27 Posted 20/07/2019 at 02:03:59
Hi Gerry, I could tell you had a soft spot for him. He was a regular MotM in his first year so it's a shame injuries have taken his career. Some players just have that run of luck. Just have to wish him all the best but it looks like we are having a bit of a clear out. Long overdue. You never know though, he seems fit now and Silva will look at him I'm sure.

Mike G. You do know you lot voted him in don't you! It's not our fault... Did you find yourself a cheap flight?

Mike Gaynes
28 Posted 20/07/2019 at 02:14:56
David, actually we didn't. The other candidate got 3 million more votes. We just have this arcane institution that once in a while produces an undemocratic result.

Unfortunately I'm gonna miss the post-Watford party... bit laid up at the moment. But I will definitely make it over there for a Guinness at some point this season.

Brian Wilkinson
29 Posted 20/07/2019 at 02:20:10
Mike @11 don't worry mate, looks like we will have Boris Johnson. God help us when those two get together, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.
Gaute Lie
30 Posted 20/07/2019 at 02:35:10
Good player when fit and running. Could have been a big player for Everton. Wish him good Luck and free from injury With his next employer.

Also will be good to get Money in and save some salary for other player or better Club Finance.

Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 20/07/2019 at 02:38:36
Brian, that confluence could cause the universe to collapse.

In the meantime, hope all you other US Blues are enjoying tonight's International Champions Cup game. Dortmund is taking the RS apart, and we're being treated to many TV shots of the US-RS fan base sitting with their thumbs in their mouths.

Kieran Kinsella
32 Posted 20/07/2019 at 02:43:17
I’m with Mike Gaynes, no one on here ever deserves to be likened to Trump.

That being said, I get your point Gerry but to me it’s like Norman Whiteside. Good player yes. But injury after injury at some point the writing is on the wall. On a human level, I’d love McCarthy to have an injury free five years but logically I can’t see it happening. So if Palace want to roll the dice, give him a nice pay day then so be it.

Rob Marsh
33 Posted 20/07/2019 at 03:09:18
Mike Gaynes # 23

Best president you've ever had!

He shoots from hip with a Gatlin gun, what more could you want?

If I was an Americano I'd be more offended if the 43rd G W Bush was mentioned, he wasn't capable of finding his own arse with both hands!

David Pearl
34 Posted 20/07/2019 at 03:39:18
He should be our chairman. He'd build a wall around Anfield and send them lot all back to Norway. (No offence to the Norwegian Blues, of course... :))
Gerry Ring
35 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:22:08
Apologies for the bad language. I’m baffled because I used symbols & didn’t spell the word🤭. Must be predictive text.
Gerry Ring
36 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:22:08
Now that the Guinness has been diluted by time, I realise I over reacted with the reference to Trumpy! No offense meant. Is McCarthy still a blue???
Sam Hoare
37 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:30:45
I’ve always liked McCarthy but we won’t miss him as he’s hardly played for last 2 years. We need to trim the squad and a 29 year old with a bad injury record seems a sensible loss to take. Schneiderlin has a different skill set and Davies hopefully has the potential to be better. It will be good for the player to move somewhere he’ll get more game time and I expect he’ll thrive at Palace if fit. Would rather shift Besic, Bolasie, Mirallas etc but presumably just a matter of time.
Jim Bennings
38 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:16:03
It’s got to the stage where we are bigging up Schneiderlin and Davies, two players who basically going right back to the Koema era have basically offered zero creativity and zero defensive protection.

Fair does Schneiderlin put in a few decent performances last season, more disciplined than Davies, but he was probably playing for a move.

David Ellis
39 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:29:02
I really like James McCarthy but we haven't seen the evidence that he's recovered from his second injury. We need to cut down the squad and the wage bill, and he's hardly played for 2 years. someone is offering a reasonable price. I think this sale makes sense to me.
Jason Broome
40 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:29:26
Sell. McCarthy was good before but we need to kick on. He's not even top six material.

Top 6 is bullshit anyway. We were top six under Moyes. We need Champions League and if we are going to get there players like McCarthy need to go.

With Gana likely to leave as well we could use the money to sign Franck Kessie whilst freeing up the wage bill and reducing the bloated squad.

Shane Corcoran
41 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:35:04
Very sensitive around here. Trump was elected in the US. Worse if Gerry compared him to blood thirsty Hilary.

Posting on the stout is only allowed if you’re related to the great Christy Ring, Gerry.

And while I’m here, out with McCarthy at that price and 12 months left once there are replacements lined up for he and Gana.

Martin Berry
42 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:37:13
A real genuine trier, albeit injury prone, although no one could have avoided that terrible break.
I think Everton will let him go for £12m. and I wish him all the best and an injury free time if possible.
Derek Knox
43 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:59:23
Shane, gòod point there regarding that McCarthy has only 12 months left on his contract, which we would highly be unlikely to be renewed, cash in with no guarantees, and just hope he passes the medical.

Next!

Nathan Ford
44 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:02:34
A fully fit James McCarthy is a fine player for any team. The problem is I don't think he will ever be fully fit for a full season. If his wages are as reported 70k pw then we need to plan for the future. 8mill and 70k saves us approximately 12mill over the season for a player who's not making match day squads never mind the first 11. Sorry to see you go James but we need to progress, hopefully u get a good season for palace.
Denis Richardson
45 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:10:00
We paying or receiving £8m?

Joke aside, this would be a great deal for both sides. £8m for a player who’s barely kicked a ball in 3 years and has had massive regular injury worries is excellent business.

Hope he gets his career back on track there if it happens but would also be delighted he’s off our books finally.

I always thought he was bang average anyway and not the level we need. Whether Gueye stays or goes, is not relevant to getting rid of McCarthy as he’s not good enough.

Tony Everan
46 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:19:58
A fit James McCarthy would be a decent buy at 8m.

It would be a good move for him because I cannot see him getting any game time for us.

Steavey Buckley
47 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:26:54
Crystal Palace want 80 million for Saha but have offered just 8 million for McCarthy. So, is Saha 10 times better than McCarthy, especially, as Saha does not play as well when not playing for Palace? But for less than 80 million Everton could resign Lukaku, because Everton are crying out for striker who is a proven premier league striker.
Jeff Armstrong
48 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:29:40
McCarthy has one year left on his current contract, so take the £8 million and move on.
The alternatives are get nothing this time next year, or give him another 2 year deal now, which would be Mirallasesque insanity.
Pat Kelly
49 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:47:52
Take the £8m while he's still standing
Joe McMahon
50 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:48:12
Stevey @ 47 Zaha can change games and is exciting to watch, your man James isn't any of those. He's earned 100s of thousands at Everton always being injured. We have to move on as its crunch time in our future.
Steavey Buckley
51 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:02:18
Joe#50 Everton's top priority is a goal scorer. Saha does not score enough goals and I am not too sure if creates enough assists. Yet, Palace want 80 million for him.
Kevin Dyer
52 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:24:10
Bite their hands off. Massive gamble for them given how he's so injury-prone, though I guess £8m is not a large fee these days. It's hard to imagine him being the same player, even given the unlikely assumption he's over his problems. McCarthy's game is all about fitness, energy and physicality. If he can't go all out he will be nowhere near as effective.

I wish him the best of luck in resurrecting his career. He was great at Wigan and the first season with us, then the injuries started. Personally I would have sold him 2 years ago. We'd likely have gotten double this fee, maybe more. I'm actually surprised that a team is willing to stump up cash.

James Hughes
53 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:31:13
I like McCarthy he always gave 100% and put in a shift, sometimes not a very good shift though. Suffered that horrible leg break by being brave and trying to save our defense.

The recurring hamstring injuries have been infuriating and too many seemed to occur whilst recuperating and being selected to play by Ireland.

The money offered is still an insult though as even with his record he is still worth twice that. Barter that price up and sell him.
jimmy Mac, many thanks from me, I wish you well

Tony Abrahams
54 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:54:06
I have always liked McCarthy and was wondering if someone like Silva could add more to his game, in a similar way to what we've seen from Gueye, this season?

But with him going into the final year of his contract, and with him having had so many injuries over the last four seasons, then I think he's going to leave.

I just hope we don't regret it because, if the kid stays fit, then he's more than capable of doing a very good job for most teams.

Gerry Ring
55 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:28:46
Tony #54. I fully agree. Watching McCarthy In last night's friendly makes me think the long lay-off with the leg break may have finally sorted his hamstring issue. He looked lean, mean & back to himself.

Palace, first game of the season might be interesting!!!!

Frank Crewe
56 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:40:05
The bottom line is we are trying to sell players who are unlikely to feature much in the first team and McCarthy is one of those players.

We have just bought Delph so that is another obstacle to McCarthy getting first-team football. The injuries have taken their toll so he is a prime candidate for selling. A decent offer has apparently been made by a club that won't be rivalling us for the top spots in the Premier League. Let him go now while we can still get a fee for him. Maybe he'll have better luck with injuries at Palace than he did with us.

Simon Smith
57 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:46:44
Some people are unbelievable, they moan about not getting rid of the “deadwood” and then moan at the price we get for them, when we finally sell them.
John Hammond
58 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:47:59
Tony, I don't think we're going to regret it. He's been with us since 2013 and has played 20 games in the last 3 seasons. If we sell him for £8m then that to me is brilliant business for a perma-crocked player. Bit of extra cash and a hefty chuck off the wage bill.
Neil Cremin
59 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:55:19
I just hope we do not regret this – especially if we sell Gana to PSG. I don't see anybody who is going to be the midfield Rottweiler in the current squad.
Martin Nicholls
60 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:58:34
Previous posters collectively have said it all:-

(1) 12 months left on contract
(2) nearly 29 years old
(3) seven serious injuries
(4) a perceived tendency during recovery from those injuries to prioritise playing for Ireland above getting fully fit for Everton
(5) the Gana situation being of no real relevance to this debate.

McCarthy did have one decent season for us but that was over 5 years ago. I agree with others that he isn't the worst of our surplus (I won't insult him by using the word "deadwood") players but we can't choose the order in which we sell them. I say sell but, particularly as Palace are currently cash-rich, don't accept the first offer.

Gary Ashworth
61 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:02:34
I think McCarthy has reached the stage where he is unlikely to get much game time at Everton, so moving on is the best option for him. I understand the low fee, but I would like to think McCarthy is worth at least double figures.
Ian Bennett
62 Posted 20/07/2019 at 14:07:44
Should be sold.

Hopefully, mid-table sides like Newcastle, Burnley, Palace, Villa, etc will come in and push the bidding over £10m.

Dale Rose
63 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:06:04
Sorry to see him go. A very good prospect sadly blighted with injury. Hope he can do something at Palace. As regards him going purely from a business sense he is a gamble and one we can't afford to take.
Mick Davies
64 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:13:03
My favourite player over the last 6 years, purely because of his commitment, endeavour and never say die attitude. It's what we always ask for and, although he was designated the holding role, he has chipped in with some good assists (esp to Lukaku) and a couple of well-taken goals, but his style has taken its toll.

As others have stated, Silva doesn't seem to trust him to stay fit, making just one sub appearance since his comeback. I accept he would be better off moving on and probably joining his old team-mate McArthur would suit him, but we need to make sure we have enough strength in midfield if Gana leaves. I would wish James all the best for the future (but not on his – possible – debut).

Gerry Ring
65 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:32:21
Brian @ 29. I think that should read “Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber”😄
John Cartwright
66 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:44:06
Schneiderlin yet again given an easy ride on this post. McCarthy always gives 100 per cent. I know, if it were an option, who I'd prefer to sell and keep.
Paul Birmingham
67 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:47:44
A good player jinxed by serious injuries and if and where ever he goes, I hope he does well.

The first season he was on fire and showed signs of being the talisman for the team, but time waits for no one.

Let’s see if this is fact or fiction, as if Gana does go, we will need some astute business doing in the next couple of weeks.

Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:50:56
John #66, Schneiderlin was mentioned once in this string, and it was an insult. Hardly an "easy ride", more like irrelevant and ignored.
Derek Knox
69 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:11:28
John @ 66, I'm afraid we may be 'stuck with Schneiderlin' because of the ridiculous overpayment he picks up without any sign of embarrassment each week, no-one will want to take that contract on or even match it (which never happens) even if we sold him for a fraction of the overpaid fee Koeman and Walsh agreed for him.

I was reading somewhere probably Newsnow (I know), so hope there is 'some' truth in it, that Everton are agreeable to let McCarthy go but want the selling price upped to £10M, I know with only 12 months left on the contract, it could be a dodgy ploy, OR, it maybe to prevent the £8M which allegedly, is tentatively on the table, being whittled down.

Brian Wilkinson
70 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:27:33
Derek, from what I can gather, Everton put Mirallas in the deal for £8 Million, Palace said no, so we insisted on £10 Million for McCarthy on his own.
Derek Knox
71 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:58:54
Brian @ 70, 😂
Christy Ring
72 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:35:44
Have to say our fans have a short memory, when Macca was playing, he always gave 100% effort, that's how he ended up breaking his leg.

If you remember back, Schneiderlin stood waiting for the ball, didn't bother his arse, and McCarthy ran back trying to retrieve the ball. The same Schneiderlin, who is on £100k per week, double what McCarthy earns, sent home from training, because of his attitude.

Which player had more pride in the jersey??

Christy Ring
73 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:41:56
If Gueye is on his way to PSG, the only defensive midfielder we have is McCarthy, because Delph is more attacking, so even to buy a replacement, we still need a a backup?
Paul Hewitt
74 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:57:20
Take the money, and run.
Brian Wilkinson
75 Posted 20/07/2019 at 23:54:54
McCarthy could and should have played a lot more games for Everton than he did, he ignored the Everton medical team on 2 occasions and played for Ireland, both ocassions resulting in coming back injured and out for a number of months.

The last injury was McCarthy putting his body on the line and block a shot, and ended up with a freak unintentional injury from Rondon, can hardly blame anyone for that.

The damage was done turning out for Ireland when not fully recovered.

Gerry Ring
76 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:24:01
Brian@75. It's widely accepted that Martinez played McCarthy when he wasn't fully fit. It's ironic that McCarthy didn't turn up for loads of early Irish games.

There is no doubt that the previous Everton medical team have serious questions to answer around Macca's injuries & rehabilitation. If I recall correctly, he wasn't being selected for Everton at that time. It's not correct to blame “turning out for Ireland” as the main reason for McCarthy's long term injury woes.

Si Cooper
77 Posted 21/07/2019 at 01:08:52
I don't think anybody is necessarily trying to be derogatory or dismissive of James McCarthy, just giving bald assessments on whether realistically he is a player we should actively be trying to keep hold of.

Comparisons to Schneiderlin are pointless because it may be that both are on the ‘let them go' list but McCarthy is the one who attracting some interest at the moment.

If the lad does move on I wish him the best and hope that we sign someone who eclipses both him and Morgan Schneiderlin.

Paul Johnson
78 Posted 21/07/2019 at 02:57:43
Fuck me, boys, let's not defend the indefensible. He couldn't string ten games together. As decent as he was, he wasn't that good. It was just that we were ordinary. £8 million and Bolasie plus another £50 million for Zaha, I could only dream.
Terry White
79 Posted 21/07/2019 at 03:13:44
As has been said before, Paul (#78), £50 million for a 40+ former, now retired, player would be a little excessive.
Chris James
80 Posted 21/07/2019 at 10:50:04
Take the money, move on. We need to trim the squad and cut wages and he's nowhere near the first team. Tosun, Mirallas, bolassie and besic next please!
Ryan Holroyd
81 Posted 21/07/2019 at 14:48:10
No wonder Everton have been mediocre for 20 odd years with people wanting McCarthy to stay because he was good 5 years ago. 8m pounds as well. Unbelievable business from brands if this is true.
John Pierce
82 Posted 21/07/2019 at 15:27:43
Facts are he has hardly played any football in years. A player has to be truly exceptional for a club to bring a player like that back into the fold and get regular football.

There’s few, if any, examples of players who have that type of injury record and comeback to the mainstream.

The sensible, objective plan is to sell and accept what it is. You simply cannot expect the good performances from years ago to catch up with a team/club that has moved forward.

Also very few players who are injury prone are just unlucky, sorry I cannot buy that. A recurring issue (hamstring) has a underlying root and the player needs to be far stronger to ensure he has a career. For me McCarthy has to take a portion of the responsibility, both being firmer how fit he was when pressured to play for both club/country and recognizing he should have modified his game to reflect the limitations.

Time to move on.

Franny Porter
83 Posted 22/07/2019 at 10:23:37
I like McCarthy but he has constantly hamstrung himself playing for Eire when he clearly doesn't have the physical attributes to play for club AND country. Sadly for all concerned he seemed to prioritise country resulting in none of the parties benefiting.
Derek Thomas
84 Posted 22/07/2019 at 11:07:51
Dig a bit deeper, this is more than McCarthy's body being just not up to it. If you remember, Martinez had a root and branch clear out of Moyes's very well respected back room... mainly, or so it seemed, because they wouldn't toe the line he wanted, some quit before they were sacked.

Not long after, we had an epidemic of hammies.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
85 Posted 22/07/2019 at 13:29:57
Zaha scored 10 goals last year. 9 were away from Selhurst Park.

Zaha thrives on space using his pace and ball control. We need players to unlock packed defenses and score from inside the box, especially at Goodison. Away, we already have the players to do what Zaha does.

Better use of the money. But I think M and M know that.

Don Alexander
86 Posted 22/07/2019 at 13:32:30
Derek (#84), you're absolutely correct in saying that. Martinez also claimed to possess all the abilities of a physio himself, but seemingly missed the lesson on hamstrings. Drat!
Gary Carter
87 Posted 22/07/2019 at 14:09:09
Offer Palace £60 million, McCarthy and Bolasie.
Tommy Carter
88 Posted 22/07/2019 at 15:14:18
This is big money being mooted for Zaha. Personally I don’t believe there is great value in such a deal.

I trust our scouting department to be a little more intelligent than in previous transfer windows. Namely the 2017 windows.

For example, we massively overpaid for Gylfi. He had proved himself to be of some value for that transfer. But for less money we could have got a similar standard and type of player from the continent. (Calhanaglou is one that springs to mind).

Zaha is 26 going on 27. And will be eye watering money.

You could get Florian Thauvin for less than that. Nabil Fekir is going for a fraction of what Zaha will cost. Memphis Depay would also be achievable as would Julian Draxler Andrea Belotti and his Italian counterpart Domenico Berardi. Jonathan Ikone and Nicolas Pepe also would cost less than Zaha.

David Pearl
89 Posted 22/07/2019 at 15:16:04
Sports science is streets ahead of where it was when I played. In fact its in another galaxy. McCarthy should of never gone away with Ireland if he wasnt fully fit and the people that knew him the best, thats the Everton staff, should of made the call instead of listening to the likes of Roy Keane. (Who should of been jailed for that shithouse challenge). It was surprising that when McCarthy was fit the second half of last season Silva didn't want him to go on loan. It makes sense to sell him and wish him well.

And zaha? think many of us were confused as to why we went for Bolasie over Zaha in the first place. F3ckog Walsh. 2 million contract.

James Hughes
90 Posted 22/07/2019 at 15:46:19
I don't think we should be buying players from teams below us. These days the players who can make a difference are always playing at the top level already.

For me Zaha is not a player who would suit us in style or application. Not worth the money being quoted and if he was the he would have been moved on already.

Offer them Jimmy Mac & Bolaise plus a team dinner at the local Thai buffet

James Flynn
91 Posted 22/07/2019 at 16:37:44
McCarthy is being so over-rated here and elsewhere that I'm thinking people have forgotten just how little he contibuted. But he's being accused of some things he didn't do regading his fitness.

His hammy's started really giving him problems his second season. As a result, and in fact, he was held back from playing for Ireland 2-3 games anyway. Remember Keane complaining about it? So, it's hardly McCarthy and Ireland's fault.

The problem, without a doubt, was Roberto pushing him back onto the pitch against Wolfsburg when he wasn't completely healed and there he is walking off the pitch after a few minutes holding his hamstring. Been a running problem since and that happened almost 5 years ago.

That's also when we saw the mass departure of Moyes' old fitness crew mentioned above. Right after that game.

My own feeling remains that James was playing regularly in the pro game since he was 16 and by 24 he had a ton of miles on his legs. And when your game at its best isn't much, you better be doing something to justify getting your number called. James did so, to his credit, by running everywhere all the time on the pitch with the injury pile-up associated with playing that way.

And seemingly ALWAYS answering yes when asked if he could go out there; Club or country. He should have been looked out for a little bit by managers and head coaches.

Blame who you like or spread it around. Take sides. Whatever. But I think we should acknowledge what started his not getting proper time to heal. It was the Roberto, not Ireland's coaching staff.

Mike Gaynes
92 Posted 22/07/2019 at 16:40:27
James #90 --

"I don't think we should be buying players from teams below us."

Certainly not. Pickford, Gueye, Richarlison, Siggy, Keane... who needs 'em?

We're obviously better off with the players we have bought from the Champions League clubs above us -- Walcott and Schneiderlin.

You might want to rethink that particular opinion.

James Hughes
93 Posted 22/07/2019 at 16:57:11
Mr Gaynes

I have stated on here often enough, that is my opinion, not based on fact, stats or anything else. We are no further forward than before. Also if you bothered to pay attention, as you are now, you will have seen my opinion of the latter two as well. Also before we go

Now that also comes across as all negative and I will be forever happy to be proved wrong. The arse -end of last season has given us all hope.

Mike, I will be back, I have to dash, sorry

James Hughes
94 Posted 22/07/2019 at 18:02:56
Mike. If I was picky, which this site is all about !
Siggy we were robbed plain and simple. Richi we got a bargain fair do's.
Gueye, wasn't that the player who was always on his arse during a game.
As for the other two, they are still growing into the team. My opinion stands. Do not buy from relegated or struggling teams
Duncan McDine
95 Posted 22/07/2019 at 18:27:35
I tend to agree James. Though we have picked up one or two good players from struggling or relegated teams (not just teams below us as Mike twisted it!)... my opinion is that most have been under par - and I include Pickford and Siggy in that list. Mike rightly points out that Schneiderlin and Walcott have been poor, but forgets to mention the lads from Barcelona who have largely been very promising- the jury is still out regarding our big Colombian though. I think the main thing is that we have to pay top dollar for the big fish in a small pond (Zaha £80m for instance) whereas the bigger teams are more likely to offload their fringe players at a more affordable price.
Mike Gaynes
96 Posted 22/07/2019 at 18:59:07
Mr. Hughes...

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. And I to mine. And in my opinion, whether a player's previous club finished above us or below us in the table has absolutely zero predictive value regarding how well he will play for us. Recent history certainly does seem to support my opinion.

I also dispute your opinion of Gueye. Vehemently.

Duncan, I didn't twist anything. I directly quoted James. He said "teams below us". And I also strongly disagree with your description of Picks and Siggy. If the joint second-leading scorer among Prem midfielders (behind only Hazard, tied with Pogba) is "under par", I'd be interested in your definition of "par".

Eric Myles
97 Posted 22/07/2019 at 19:07:34
Bill #20 & Mike #23. Considering most Americans think Maggie Thatcher was wonderful, I reserve the right to consider Trump as the best U.S. President ever!

& Mike #28, sounds like what you need is a democracy?

Eric Myles
98 Posted 22/07/2019 at 19:13:43
Duncan #95, I don't think anyone would consider Barcelona as being a team below us!
Andrew Keatley
99 Posted 22/07/2019 at 19:16:30
Tommy (88) - I also like Nicholas Pepe - looks a terrific prospect - but he’s likely to cost over £60 million, so he’s hardly a cheaper option. Or if he is it’s very marginal.
Duncan McDine
100 Posted 22/07/2019 at 20:15:15
Exactly Eric!
Duncan McDine
101 Posted 22/07/2019 at 20:44:25
Mike, with those stats I’m sure Sigurdsson will be the target for most top European clubs... but you and I both know that isn’t the case. The reality is that massive price that we willingly paid for him (which in today’s market would be £60-70m!!) means that he’s under pressure from silly buggers like me to be our best player - and he isn’t.
Andy Crooks
102 Posted 22/07/2019 at 20:46:10
If we stop buying from teams below us, Cahill, Southill, Coleman, Baines spring to mind;we will be bankrupt or relegated. Nothing has changed " these days", it is the only way forward. The players who will join us from top six clubs are over the hill or not getting in top six teams. As Mike says, Walcott. Gueye was a magnificent buy. To argue otherwise is complete and utter nonsense as the profit will show.
Andy Crooks
103 Posted 22/07/2019 at 20:57:08
Duncan, whether or not £45 million for Siggy is £60 - 70 million in todays market is pure conjecture based on,well, your opinion. He obviously, unlike Richarlison, was not bought with any sell on value in mind. He has been good and will continue to be so.
Do you put any timescale on this argument? If so what is it? How many years inflation means we overpaid?
Duncan McDine
104 Posted 22/07/2019 at 21:01:39
If you think he’s good enough, then fine that’s your um, we’ll, opinion. My opinion is that he isn’t. And that’s what this wonderful pointless forum is all about! Thank God for TW
Tommy Carter
105 Posted 22/07/2019 at 21:08:50
@102 Andy. Idrissa Gueye was a marvellous signing, is somebody suggesting that he wasn’t?

The problem with buys like Siggy, Keane and Klaassen and others around that time is that the competition for their signatures was non existent. There were no other teams who were willing to shell out that kind of cash on these players. That because most clubs with the ability to afford them deemed them not good enough for the outlay.

Zaha falls into this category for me. If Arsenal or any other club for that matter are unwilling to go above a reasonable price then I’d rather we pulled out of the deal.

In years gone by, signings that fall into this category have often been our worst. Bilyaletdinov and Niasse also arrived with nobody willing to offer the kind of cash we were.

I’m all for taking a punt at a reasonable price. If we are spending the big bucks, I want it to be to bring in a player coveted by others.

Andy Crooks
106 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:05:09
Fair play, Duncan.
Andy Crooks
107 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:10:08
Indeed someone has, Tommy, James @94. However, to be fair to James, that used to be a criticism of Gueye.. Not from me, I think he is brilliant. But, as Duncan says, it is all opinion.
Justin Doone
108 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:51:35
Before he breaks down, sell him. Ask for a bit more but just get rid. Thanks for your time, had a good season about 5 years ago but we need to move on. To risky to rely on him being fit for 90mins.

Can't complain about £8M for a player who can't play and then happily sanction the sale of Lookman and Vlasic for only twice the price.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

109 Posted 22/07/2019 at 00:00:26
Sorry James Hughes, but I'm with others who can't grasp the opinion you offer, that Everton should not be shopping for players who finish below us in the league.

Why draw such an arbitrary line, which rather presumes that if a player plays for a low ranking team, that they can't be good enough for higher-ranked teams?

Besides Everton's own history in picking up absolute gems - legends! - from lower-ranked teams down the years, not even the elite clubs in the PL turn up their noses at such players. City took Delph from Villa, Stones from Everton, Mahrez from Leicester. Mane, Wijnaldum, Robertson, Van Dijk and Shaquiri make up half a Liverpool team. United has just signed Wan-Bissoka and James (from a Championship club). Spurs have signed Trippier, Wanyoma and Sissoko in recent years. All from bottom crawlers or relegated teams.

I agree, you need to be selective in who you buy. But a blanket policy of not buying ANY player from such teams denies you the opportunity to pick up some very good top quality bargains.

Why diminish the pond in which you can fish in the arbitrary way you propose?

Mike Gaynes
110 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:27:07
Duncan #101, I don't get into what we paid for players, because it's pointless. One guy's bargain is another guy's robbery, and everybody points to comparisons about what some other team paid for some other player, and it's beyond silly in my opinion. It's ancient history and somebody else's money, and I truly don't care.

But regarding Sigurdsson on the pitch, I think he's very, very good. My 3rd choice for PotS last season behind Gueye and Digne. If you don't think he's good, that's fine. Weird, but fine.

Jamie Sweet
111 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:41:54
Based on that rather interesting theory from James Hughes, we would be better off buying Jones or Smalling from Man Utd rather than Maguire from Leicester to fill our need for a new centre back.

Or just perhaps would it be better to judge the merits of the individual player rather than worry about where their club finished in the league?

And if you go shopping at the clubs above you, you usually only end up with fringe player (often referred to on here as "cast-offs") so we can't really win either way can we?

Unless we just do all of our shopping at Barcelona, which I'm actually quite ok with!

Malcom!!!

Bill Gienapp
112 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:58:33
I do think it's funny that some people say we shouldn't buy from clubs below us, because the players aren't good enough or have a "small-time mentality"... but we shouldn't buy from teams *above* us, because they're just foisting their rejects on us... and we shouldn't buy from within the Premier League, because the prices are so inflated... but we shouldn't buy outside the Premier League either, because the talent is too unproven. So I guess the moral of the story is, we simply shouldn't buy anyone.
Alan J Thompson
113 Posted 23/07/2019 at 07:03:02
Who we buy from which clubs may be irrelevant as for this defensive midfield position we have near half a dozen; Gana, Schneiderlin, Davies (probably wasted in this position), McCarthy, Baningime (who, to me, has looked good in the odd run outs) Joe Williams and the do we include him or not Delph.
Somebody has to go and while we can say no, it is, for us in this position, a buyers market.
James Hughes
114 Posted 23/07/2019 at 12:41:38
I did say it was based on opinion rather than fact or stats. Some fine players have been mentioned Like Cahill, I could also add the great Peter Reid he came from the old 2nd division, so I am more than happy to admit that point.

Player recruitment is always difficult and in the past few years we have had no plan. We just seem to have made it policy rather exception lately to sign players from relegated clubs. Amongst names how about Kone, Robles, Alcaraz, pure shite and a waste of money. In business, if you employ someone from a bankrupt company, surely you have a good look at their role, maybe that analogy does not transfer?!

Finally from me -Mike #96 on Gana Gueye -I think this man has been one of the exceptions that most definitely disproves my gut instinct. I vaguely recall a to and fro-ing on here about Gana's
ability to stay on his feet during a game. No way was I backing that opinion, just adding it to the mix.

Simon Smith
115 Posted 23/07/2019 at 13:02:20
James I think you’re fighting a losing battle
Brian Williams
116 Posted 23/07/2019 at 13:02:43
James#114.
Yeh I remember Gueye getting savaged regularly as being something of a liability and, as you say, being unable to stay on his feet.
Can't remember who his main critic was though.
Duncan McDine
117 Posted 23/07/2019 at 13:03:31
Mike, I can now understand your position on Siggy. For me, the price of a player is more important than it is to you. I find it weird that the cost of a player’s transfer fee and wages don’t have any bearing on how you rate them, but that’s fine. I’ve always found it frustrating that we seem to be short changed when buying big money players and this goes back to the late 80’s / early 90’s. Man Utd have been on the decline for a few years and IMO it’s through overspending on players that don’t live up to their price tag.
Tony Abrahams
118 Posted 23/07/2019 at 13:50:24
Darren picked up on it first I think, but it’s a big pitch when you stand in the middle of it, and sometimes poor tactics or poor team-mates, can sometimes leave you with too much work to do!
Denis Richardson
119 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:32:10
I really don't know why Sigurdsson gets the grief he does on this site.

Yes we paid a lot for him and he's one of our top earners (believe he is actually the top earner). What we paid does seem a bit high admittedly but fact is he was joint top scorer (14) at the club last year and he's not even a striker. He also got the most assists (6) than any other player. So goals and assist combined led to 20 goals last season down to him. Significantly more than Richarlison, who only got 1 assist and also scored 14 goals.

The above are facts, not opinion. People also forget he was played out of position a lot of the time in his first season due to the Rooney fiasco. So given all this, funny how some people 'don't rate him' and others think £8m for McCarthy is too little (a player who hasn't even played regularly in 3 years.)

Odd to me.

Martin Mason
120 Posted 23/07/2019 at 17:19:03
Denis, I believe that the problem with Sigurdsson is only that he doesn't fit into the 4-3-3 that most progressive managers want to play. He is a fine player who would fit well in other systems. I believe that we paid a bit too much for him but he generates points with his goals. In the end the fee is probably not so relevant especially in todays game given the high cash flow and where price for players is rising exponentially. I doubt that Brand would have sanctioned buying him now at the 50-60 MM that he'd likely cost.?
Mike Gaynes
121 Posted 23/07/2019 at 18:00:18
Duncan #117, just my philosophy, I guess. I pay very close attention to the cost of the food I'm buying at the market, and price can definitely impact whether I buy steak or frozen lasagna for dinner, but I stop thinking about it once I'm through the checkout line. I rate the meal by how much I enjoy it, not how much I paid for it.

Same is true with footballers -- when I'm watching a player perform, the last thing I'm thinking about is the size of his paycheck or what he cost a couple of years ago.

Denis Richardson
122 Posted 23/07/2019 at 18:43:36
Martin 120 - agree with you to an extent but think it’s more to do with tactics than formation as Swansea regularly played 433 when Sigurdsson was there if I remember correctly.

Either way, Silva inherited him and needs to get the best out of him or ask Brands to shift him. Personally I think 14 goals and 6 assists for a midfielder is a very decent return and as long as he’s individually providing more goals than any other player then the critics should probably focus elsewhere first.

Silva seems to be getting decent returns from him so not sure what the fuss is about personally. Maybe people can’t let go of the £45m price tag but I’m sure any player getting those returns in this market is going to cost a ton anyway.

I’d say lets worry about clearing the deadwood and bringing in a decent striker first. Sigurdsson is definitely a key asset to our squad right now imo.

Alan Bodell
123 Posted 23/07/2019 at 18:45:35
Read some of the thread, not all but pardon me if it's been done already so we just sign Fabian Delph for the same fee Palace are wanting James McCarthy, if James McCarthy and Delph are both at the same fitness level I know who i'd want in the team, plagued by injury but I always liked James but what do I know ?.
Sam Hoare
124 Posted 23/07/2019 at 18:54:43
Alan if McCarthy and Delph were both fit I’d take Delph every time. His tackling is just as good but his passing, shooting and ball carrying are better. I like McCarthy but Delph is a more rounded player. I hope you’ll be agreeing with this after he’s had 10 or so starts for us. He may not be a superstar but think a few people will be surprised at what he can bring.
Paul Tran
125 Posted 23/07/2019 at 19:03:42
McCarthy had a great first season with us. Then he got injured and Martinez brought him back too quickly. Then he did it again. And again. He broke him. I'm not convinced he'll ever be what he was that first season.

And that's why I'd be delighted to get £8m for him and wish him all the best.

Daniel A Johnson
126 Posted 24/07/2019 at 13:07:38
As some above have alluded to.

Some players for the club are so-called meal ticket players because they are guaranteed massive fees if they dig their heals in.

Sigurdsson was Swansea CIty's meal ticket and its the same for Zaha with Palace. You could argue Pogba is the same for Man Utd.

You are more often than not better buying for a more reasonable price cast-offs from a top 6 team rather than try and buy a lower teams crown jewel.

In today's market, Sigurdsson's fee was a snip really. As for Zaha, I think he would be worth the £70M, he would hit the ground running and easily get 10-15 goals in our team.

Tommy Carter
127 Posted 24/07/2019 at 13:13:10
Players like Zaha are being touted for massive fees.

Meanwhile players like Scot Olsen and Nabil Fekir are moving to clubs no better than ours for a fraction of the cost

Tony Abrahams
128 Posted 24/07/2019 at 13:16:25
One plays for an English club, and is very likely to stay in England if he moves, and the other two don’t Tommy!
Tommy Carter
129 Posted 24/07/2019 at 14:23:36
I think we’d be able to do a deal for Skov Olsen ahead of Bologna. Don’t you?
Gavin Johnson
130 Posted 24/07/2019 at 14:41:56
Now we have Delph, I'd be keen to offload McCarthy and Besic. Like Delph an initial £8m deal will get the deal over the line. Should he stay fit Palace should be paying an additional £4-5m. I'd consider keeping Schneiderlin should we sell Gana.

My choice as a replacement would be the 21-year-old Ibrahim Sangare from Toulouse. He might need a season to bed into the pace of the Premier League, and Delph's fitness isn't a guarantee so I'd keep Schneiderlin for another season unless we got an offer we can't refuse.

Tony Abrahams
131 Posted 24/07/2019 at 14:50:23
I don't know him, to be honest, Tommy, but the point I was trying to make was that would either of these players been sold to English clubs for the same price?
Gavin Johnson
132 Posted 24/07/2019 at 15:01:39
If it's true we want Zaha from Palace, offer them £55m & Bolasie and McCarthy. As well as Zaha I'd also buy Skov Olsen the highly rated Dane who can play wing or upfront.
Charles McCann
133 Posted 24/07/2019 at 15:10:11
I’d really like to see Zaha join us but would be sad to lose McCarthy at the same time. Maybe they would take Sneiderlinn, Walcott and Bolasie instead : )
Sam Hoare
134 Posted 24/07/2019 at 15:15:54
Gavin@132, too late. He's already signed for Bologna for £6m, bargain, he'll be worth three times that in 2 years.

I'm with you on Sangare though, been banging that drum for months!

John Pierce
135 Posted 24/07/2019 at 16:46:31
Everton’s offer for Zaha; JMac, Niasse, Mirallas, Tosun & Walcott, and some training bibs.
Gavin Johnson
136 Posted 24/07/2019 at 23:03:41
Sam Hoare

I'm gutted. £6m is peanuts. I don't know who else we could get now. Maybe Thiago from Lille, but he'd cost more and I don't rate him as highly as Sangare

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