The Blues have reportedly had an opening offer of around £50m turned down and the club felt moved to issue a public rejection of claims that they have submitted a follow-up bid that included striker Cenk Tosun and midfielder James McCarthy.
Zaha, who had originally had his heart set on a move to Arsenal before the Gunners paid a club-record fee for Nicholas Pepe a few days ago, still appears to want to leave Crystal Palace for a fresh challenge and in his report, Migeul Delaney says that the player expects a deal to be hammered out between the Eagles and Everton prior to Thursday.
Napoli have also been credited with interest in the 26-year-old but he is said to have been impressed by the standard of Everton's recruitment this month.
Original Source: The Independent
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1 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:02:24
Exciting times to be a blue.
2 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:06:35
3 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:09:31
4 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:11:19
We haven't recouped as much as I expect Brands and Silva would have wanted in terms of outgoing players.
We still have Bolasie, Besic, Martina, Onyekeru, Mirallas, Tosun and Niasse to get rid of. Decisions also need to be made on McCarthy and Schneiderlin if they haven't already. Perhaps we're banking on shifting of a few of those sooner rather than later.
5 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:13:49
There is no doubting he is a game-changing type of player, but my only reservation would be how often can he re-produce the form he is noted for?
Hope it happens, think if it does we will be a formidable opponent for any Prem side, who said 8th again?
6 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:14:29
On a different matter what a disgrace Zenit fans were with the banner and postings protest in signing a Black player.
Looks like Malcolm will be departing sooner rather than later.
7 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:18:00
8 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:18:10
Steve- Id be interested in your views on Mina who I think could turn out to be a tremendous player for us
9 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:19:05
I cant see us spending another £65 million on top of what we have already spent...
10 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:20:02
11 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:20:59
12 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:21:29
Dave, we will also get rid of Schniederlin on loan (£5m a year wages paid), McCarthy (£5m transfer fee and about half again in saved wages), Bolasie will net us around £5m in saved wages, couple of others might leave.
Could it not be that Moshiri is really happy with how things are going and so wants to roll the dice? Personally guaranteeing the finances if things don't work out. I expect they'll so their sums to make us FFP compliant. This doesn't require us to balance the books, it just means we need to limit net spend and I think we have done so, and maybe we can afford Zaha?
Also on FFP, if we are £5m or so short, BK could always "find" the "Arteta money" down the back of his couch!
13 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:21:44
Big “IF” but if it happens, weve replaced the invisible siphoning man, with the invisible benefactor, of that Im sure?
14 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:27:54
15 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:28:28
You've got to take your opportunities when they come along, and this is a golden opportunity for Everton.
16 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:29:16
On his day he is definitely a class act, and I have gone past the stage of worrying about fees etc, (why should I/we worry when those who are in the know don't seem to?) it's just as I mentioned before how often are those days?
It's going to be an exciting few days until the window slams shut!
Remember, although it slams shut for incomings, we can still offload to the Continent or Scotland!
17 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:30:40
If, IF this comes off I may start to believe that the stadium is serious too and Moshiri is actually what we needed.
Do you know what I do love is all the signings talking about our history. It is almost like they are given a dossier of our history and a plan for how they fit in to get us back to that level. Maybe my rose tinted glasses are clouding things a little but it is the first time I have blown the dust off them since the first few games of Martinez' second season.
I would expect a lot of the dead wood to be moved on or loaned out cheaply on Thursday if this deal does happen.
18 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:31:02
19 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:31:26
The damage Walsh and Koeman wrought will still take a few years to fix imo.
20 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:32:56
21 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:37:20
22 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:37:22
Miguel Delaney is a reliable reporter. If he says it, I buy it.
Derek#16 and Kunal #7, I've been boosting Lozano for years on these pages, since he was still playing in Mexico, and I would LOVE to have him. Wish we'd gone in for him before the World Cup. But money alone won't get Chucky. He wants only a Champions League club, and that's gonna be Napoli for €40m.
23 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:38:33
24 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:39:09
25 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:42:38
My gut says defence but strangely in pre-season we didn't let in many and just couldn't score.
In the end, time to judge will be probably mid Sept.
Though of course if we don't win at weekend we will want the whole friggin' lot sacked!
26 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:43:55
I think with the players mind potentially set on leaving, having given Palace good service we may get a better deal the last longer we leave it. We might pay a higher price but get to structure it over a longer time, for example. It feels like this deal is tipping in our favour.
On the other side there are good indicators that he spends a lot of time with his son 4 days a week, in London. Which hed prefer to stay.
So how badly does he want to leave?
27 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:49:04
"It is understood the Selhurst Park hierarchy will accept a bid of £65m so long as the money is up front. Although no fee is yet agreed, sources maintain Everton are willing to submit such a bid but are still working on the structure of any such offer."
So Palace want 65 million upfront, Everton are working on making such a bid. . . but are working on the structure. If it is upfront it is upfront, why would there be a structure? Or is it like "OK charge 40 million to my Barclay car, here is 20 million in cash, and Bill is going write a check from the "Arteta money" account for the difference."
28 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:50:28
The window closes at 17.00 on Thursday. I'm sure Brands knows he needs to sign a central defender as a priority and I'm convinced that, looking at last season's successful window, he is better at his job than any of us would be, so I'm pretty relaxed and excited to see what happens before 17.00 on Thursday.
29 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:50:53
30 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:51:06
31 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:51:43
32 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:52:42
33 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:55:02
Although I do like Zaha I have expressed concerns about him in another thread based upon his spell at United. However, whenever I have seen him play he has looked good so perhaps he had put that behind him and become a better player for it.
He actually looks good value when looking at some other fees.
34 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:59:04
Off to a festival in Newquay for a week make it happen while I'm away, Marcel.
35 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:01:48
Should be a busy next few days for Brands. By my reckoning we have a 28 man squad, so will need to shift at least 3 by Thursday - and more if there are further incomings - in order to not exceed the squad quota.
36 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:05:22
37 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:06:42
38 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:07:56
39 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:08:09
40 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:10:17
41 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:10:38
As for the heart reference, maybe it's reference to having a kick about in the back yard with his old man?
42 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:12:10
43 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:14:41
44 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:14:51
45 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:15:02
Although I expect fat frank to hold onto Zouma just because he knows it weakens us and he needs all the help he can get in the league
46 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:15:11
47 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:18:27
48 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:25:36
49 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:26:02
50 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:27:36
I haven't seen any Palace fans kicking off about it on twitter.
51 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:31:06
52 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:32:38
53 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:33:36
So despite a canny operating DoF to do a good deal, question marks around Zahas attitude, team play and ethic without the ball remain for me.
For a player with such ability why are there no other bidders? A statement yes, but compare him to Richarlisons ethic and attitude?
What it does say to me is that we really think we can get at the top six. With money likely to be restricted whilst the stadium build is ongoing this feels like one last effort to break the cabal.
54 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:35:43
55 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:36:00
56 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:37:16
I was being facetious but since we've started. Blomqvist, Ginola, Alexandersson, Beagrie (2nd spell), Gueye (not Idrissa the other one), and yes Brian 48 definitely Preki
57 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:38:28
58 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:39:16
We need to clinch a deal for Kurt or his equivalent, in defence, as we need a strong defence, as priority.
59 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:39:38
What next--Messi on loan for a season ?
Mouth beginning to water with all the expectancy but then what else is new at this time of the year.
60 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:39:52
61 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:41:12
Joe #55, keep up mate weve already had Limpar
How about JohnConnolly?
62 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:44:28
63 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:44:35
64 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:48:29
Kean, Rich, Sigurdsson, Zaha up front - we finally have a front line with tons of PACE! Exactly what defenders hate.
Let Sigurdsson pick out the passes as the other three make runs all over the place. Add in Digne and Coleman from the flanks and we finally have goal threats from all over the park.
Batman and Gomes to martial the play from the middle and screen the defence. Only weakness is lack of pace at CB however with that front line, who cares!
With Kean coming in, havent been this excited for the KO for ages. (Only 19 I know, cant expect too much I know.)
65 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:50:28
66 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:50:42
Hahaha good one
67 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:52:35
He's better than what we've got, he tore us a new one last year and cant remember the results but itll be 1 less palace player to worry about. If they didn't have zaha we might have finished in a higher position last season!
I thought on the other post that a deal was done for zaha 55m and JM and Cenk going the other way, and it got dismissed by Everton and CP have told us to keep it hush hush so they can get other players in without getting ripped off.
It makes sense to me, zaha liking Kean on Instagram and stuff. Bid that was on sky sports then quashed by Everton.
Hodgson saying he knows nothing because he only knows what he reads in paper.
CP offering us £8m for mccarthy then nothing since.
Just smells fishy to me. think something is in the pipeline.
68 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:53:00
69 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:53:14
We get an overpriced, yet extremely talented player who will fit our system and score goals. Everton are looking to gatecrash the top clubs, and a player like Zaha will go a long way in attempting to make the near-impossible reality.
Palace will receive needed money, and I'd bet in the end McCarthy and Cenk.
McCarthy, if he can stay healthy and I certainly hope he can, is a beast in midfield. A ball winner who will fit into the keep your shape, old school football of Roy Hodgson.
Palace also would get Tosun, who I think there's a player in there, somewhere. I really believe he just doesn't fit in Silva's system, but would bang in 12 to 15 for Palace. He's not a bad player. He's in a system that simply does not, in any way, fit his strengths. Palace would have a very serviceable striker who has an excellent attitude and would play very hard for Hodgson in my opinion.
The demand by Palace to have 65 million up front is laughable. No other team in world football would cough up money like that in one fell swoop. Deals aren't really structured that way (from all I've read), and honestly that's probably about 13% down on a new stadium! If we cough up that much dough for a player (one-shot liquidity), I think it'd be better spent with a bank to secure financing for BMD!
All that being said, I think this is going to happen.
Why it still can't make the TW transfer meter on the home page is a mystery, so people who know this game much better than I and have been around much longer, clearly think it's a pipe dream.
70 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:54:36
71 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:06:56
Seemingly so. I always thought he couldn't shoot but apparently he shot a teammate in the face thus ending his career. Also arrested for a nightclub brawl, and "groping" a girl despite being married. I guess that latter has hints of Giggsy though the Weslhman sort consensual encounters at least.
72 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:07:10
That "statement by Everton" could never, in the end, be attributed to Everton. It was tweeted out by a reporter - Chris Bascombe - as an "official statement from Everton".
Everton never once backed that assertion, and there was nothing on the official site or EFC's Twitter to corroborate the assertion that we'd backed out of an offer.
Some people said it "sounded official", but frankly, just because it sounds official, doesn't mean it's official.
My guess is that statement was planted by Everton to remove the heat and attention, stopping bigger clubs from poaching Zaha, while we negotiated with Palace.
But I also believe in unicorns and UFOs, think Donald Trump is a feminist plant to make men look evil, think America's own government orchestrated 9-11 to justify military action in Iraq, and Brexit is the beginning of England turning into a Handmaid's Tale Totalitarian society. Conspiracy theories are all true!
That last paragraph is utter bullshit, and not a word of it true, for the record. It's a joke.
But this Zaha thing has legs in the real world!
73 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:10:38
74 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:12:44
75 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:18:38
I mean, I'm not complaining. But it doesn't feel normal. Just waiting for Carragher to tweet that non of them would get into the redshite team. Just to bring me back down a bit...
76 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:19:07
77 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:22:05
78 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:26:40
my daughter is now out of her unicorn stage. You're welcome to anything you'd like. We have hair chalks, a blow up swimming pool thing and some night lights. Or do you say nite lites? Whatever, just say the word.
79 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:38:32
80 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:53:16
81 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:01:24
82 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:01:59
I have to say after the last game I think we need him. We need more of a goal threat and a front 3 of Zaha/Kean/Richarlison is vastly better than the likes of Walcott, DCL, Tosun etc up top.
83 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:03:21
84 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:14:04
Zaha, Kean, Richarlison, Sigurdsson, Gomes, Delph as our midfield/front 3 looks decent to me.
85 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:16:47
86 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:24:03
87 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:24:47
88 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:35:21
Surely this happens now!
89 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:35:27
90 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:37:43
Also we wouldn't need Walcott if we signed Zaha, so he's good for £10m.
Surely we will get £25m min just by off loading Walcott and Schneiderlin who could easily be sold.
Then of course we can offer maybe 2 from Bolasie, Tosun, Niasse, Martina, Miralas, and so on to save us £15/20m off the Zaha fee.
That bit of wheeling and dealing can push our outlay down to £25m which I'm sure Mr Moshiri would give Marcel the man if he asked for it !
Not impossible to see this deal, but a lot of moving parts to get it over the line.
91 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:48:33
If we can afford him, buy him.
I want to be excited. And all this is exciting!!!
92 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:48:48
93 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:50:56
Some may call it Kamikaze, I myself call it exciting.
Wait til January, sell anyone else who's not playing and see how Zouma is getting on at Chelsea then. If hes not playing we will hold all the cards, his fee will go down and he will demand a move to make it into France euro squad.
Keane with Mina, Holgate and Feeney and Gibson as 4th/5th choice, not to mention the new lad who's supposed to be able to play centre half, the way I see it, if we took Zaha to play with Richalison and Kean, with Siggy behind them, backed up by Bernard and DCL, we will definitely be entertaining and score goals for fun.
94 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:53:34
95 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:58:06
96 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:01:18
From your mouth to God's ears!
I said that exact same thing about 1.5 to 2 weeks ago, there or thereabouts.
I do not think we're going to sign Zouma, or a replacement. If we get Zaha, we will be deadly up top. We will also leak goals.
There's no getting around it. But we need to give Marcel and Mosh time to get it ALL in place. This is just one window on a journey.
I think we're in for a tilt your head back, yell FUCK IT, and toss the kitchen sink at everyone we play.
It'll be frustrating, conceding more often than we'd like. But my God it's going to be fun watching us attack.
97 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:04:57
98 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:06:25
Faul is Paul.
99 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:13:58
100 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:37:22
101 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:45:45
Transfer windows come thick an fast, look Leicester title winning side, the red shite under Rodgers when they finished 2nd, just attack attack attack, Newcastle under Keegan was the same, at least we get to see what every fan wants to see, once we have the attack in place we will find defenders next time.
Holgate, Gibson and Feeney will all be a season further along, Zouma maybe available due to Chelsea having a ban lifted, or we might spot our very own Miguire or Van Dyke with Marcel on the lookout.
As far as I'm concerned, let's just try an blow them all away.
102 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:51:56
103 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:08:42
I think I'd prefer Zaha, and bring in a loan CB as well as keeping Holgate.
104 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:09:20
105 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:10:30
106 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:11:55
Besides, after Big Sam, I'm 100% up for a circus-like, blitzkrieg-style-offense, score like crazy season again. Seriously, we're not tipped to finish anywhere other than 7th, aside from some folks trying to sell pages / clicks and "shock-valuing" the horde, saying we might finish top 4.
If we're going to finish 7th, let's have a whale of a time doing it. 5-4 suits me just fine.
Somewhere Joe Clitherow is getting ready to cold-clock my ass into next week. ;0)
I would love it if we busted the Top 4 glass ceiling with a scatter-gun, gun slinger approach, and just go out and score more than anyone else.
That never, ever works in any sport. But if we have to wait a bit to sign our own version of Virgil Van Dyke, fine. I'll wait. Entertain me on the ride. It'll give me hope.
107 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:13:35
If I ever get over there, I'll look you up. I think we should watch a game together. We're seeing things through the same prism.
108 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:15:31
109 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:15:53
Its a BBC newspapers review.
Its the Sun thats reporting it
110 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:22:43
Zaha for me.
If we were trying to make the leap from Top 4 Club to legitimate Title contenders, I'd say sign the defender.
We're trying to break the top 4. Goals are precious, and the bar isn't as high. you can leak goals and still finish on 70+ points, which could be good enough for top 4.
Because of that, Zaha before Zouma for me.
111 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:42:10
112 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:57:56
113 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:03:15
This strikes me as some kind of marquee signing required by Moshiri rather than a Brands purchase.
114 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:04:31
While he might have the occasional bout of petulance, and has not always converted chances into goals, he is the best dribbler in the Premier League - and if he does come here then I think he can be the player who elevates us an attacking side from day one. I think hes the best signing we can make (within reason) and that hell bring real flare and adventure to the team. Fingers crossed.
115 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:11:42
surely if it's in the old ' currant ' it must be close to being the Babe Ruth !!!
116 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:28:39
I know that could all be blown out of the water by Thursday 5pm but tell me right now a better team to be support right now. COYB
117 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:29:00
118 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:36:47
We can even re-issue our Kinks and Manfred Mann chants...'Oooh the Everton attack, yes, yes, yes its the Everton Attack'...'Come all without, come all within, you ain't seen nothing like The Mighty Everton'
119 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:37:58
120 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:49:28
121 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:56:01
Zaha and Kean started following each other on Instagram last week, which was a signal to me that Wilf wants to play with him. Kean has bags of appeal about him; this signing will be the first of many big signings in the future.
122 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:57:57
There are games when you have to get a lucky 1-0 win and you can only do that with a solid defence.
Zouma every time for me but I wouldnt say no to either unless Zaha's fee gets to silly money.
123 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:09:54
Arsenal did have goals and a leaky defense for years.
But up until about two years ago, they constantly, year on year, made top 4 and CL.
I'll take that, thank you very much! It ensured Arsenal making Champions League for like a decade!
Oh for the terrible, hard, awful times where we bitch incessantly about how we seemingly can't win the league, and we're pissed we finished 4th again. Bring that shit on, like now, Jay!
124 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:41:48
Admittedly biased by my high regard for Mina, and also by the sheer excitement factor of Zaha. An attack of Zaha, Richarlison and Kean would -- in time -- give us something I have never seen at Everton before.
For the Zouma hopers, I say again as I have said since the day Rudiger was injured, that there is no chance it will happen.
And if I'm wrong, I will happily wear the egg on my face.
125 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:54:00
As a blue it might not feel as good, that said Wenger let himself down as he forgot what actually brought him that initial success. Yes he was always attacking, but he done it with a brutish defence and centre midfield for the first half of his reign, he had Adam's and Keown, then Sol Campbell and Gallas. He used midfielders like Petite and Viera or Edu and Giberto Silva, only later on when he tried to go all Barcelona did he start to fail. Imo he had a good idea, it's working now for Pep at city, he just simply didnt have the £40m per player to do it. He had too many kids mixed in with his big hitters, hence Henry leaving along with Van Persie because they got sick of carrying the kids. Pep does a similar thing but he has £50m defenders for every slot, along with an amazing defensive midfield and a world class goalkeeper.
I'd take an average Wenger season all day long because as I remember he averaged a top four finish and usually a cup (F.A cup 7 times) playing his attacking brand, I'd buy my 2020/21 season ticket with a great big smile on my face if we finished 2019/20 with the above.
126 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:54:59
127 Posted 06/08/2019 at 04:17:28
Makes getting up at 4am for work that little bit easier!
Said it on another post and said it on this thread post 67 on here that I thought this smelt a bit fishy the way it went dead but all the signs was there.
Hope we get him, I think with this new stadium design coming out moshiri has thought now is the time to try and do what city done when that thai fella bought the club and try kick on, maybe not the best players but the second tier of best players and then try and move forwards.
An electric attack now if we can get this over the line, haven't looked forward to a new season like this for a very long time.
128 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:06:24
129 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:30:40
Oh, and Bob the Pole.
130 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:33:10
Is it just a money thing? If so, I don't have much sympathy with them. Or, in Malcom's case, was he totally ignorant of the Russian game? He must surely have been aware of the interest from us and others too... And I think he's in for a shock when the St Petersburg winter comes along. Not quite like the Copacabana, Malcom old lad.
131 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:45:39
Sky bias confirmed again
132 Posted 06/08/2019 at 07:15:45
Yes, £100M seems like a lot of money. I reckon we will get that back in shirt sales. I haven't bought a top in years but when, and if, Wilf is announced, I'm online to get one just to wind up all the other Premier League supporters who have doubted the Everton board's resolve in making us one of the greatest clubs in the world.
I hope those across the park are taking note; I can't wait for the next derby... the change is coming!!!
133 Posted 06/08/2019 at 07:30:01
134 Posted 06/08/2019 at 07:43:03
We need a rapid centre-back, cover for Coleman, a left winger, plus another striker imo.
We shall see...
135 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:15:59
136 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:27:26
If they can convince him that this is a good move for him to get to the next level then the vision they are pitching to potential recruits must be spectacular.
Not sure if it's on this thread or another but I've noticed a few posts discussing who else might be getting closer to breaking into the top 6. I think West Ham and Leicester have had some ‘backing' but I think Wolves will be there or thereabouts again this season. I don't think they've lost much from last season and their recruitment has been decent.
137 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:34:32
Fantasy Football time.
In Brands We Trust!!
138 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:43:35
Zaha – Would be a real statement. Clearly overpriced but that the tax you pay for players proven in this league. He's the best dribbler in the league now Hazards gone. Counter-attacking gold-dust.
139 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:44:43
140 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:46:20
Proper game changer for me if we do manage to secure Zaha and a centre half.
Clear that they are going for physical, pacey and tall players in this window. A line up of Pickford, Mina, Coleman, Digne, Keane, Gbamin, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Zaha, Richarlison and Kean is ridiculously big and imposing. Only the full-backs under 6ft.
That's a serious side and an extremely strong bench with the likes of Bernard, Calvert-Lewin, Baines, Lössl, Delph, Davies, a centre-back? Walcott, Sidibe, Schneiderlin all able back-ups.
141 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:05:25
Arsenal had one of the best defensive records for years in the Premier League prior to Wenger. Wenger's initial success was based on George Graham's defence. As it broke up, Arsenal's defensive record went the same way.
Martinez's first season was the same, with Moyes's defence. It didn't last as long, because of Jagielka's inconsistency (as he had been during Moyes's tenure) and finally Oviedo's broken leg.
Wenger was better than Moyes, because he consistently got points of the lower half of the table, whilst Moyes couldn't.
This is the reason Everton need Zouma, even if he cost £65 million. He would have been a better buy than Maguire. Mina is good, but we all have a few doubts. Gbamin has to be the real deal and, if so, could be better than Gueye.
Everton do need a finisher, because an improvement in this area did not materialise amongst existing players over the Summer. Initially, I thought "Zaha? No way" – until Sam asked me to think again. I read his "areas of improvement" post again.
142 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:18:37
He's a real threat and often has one or two players from the opposition looking after him, so to speak. That will leave space for others to shine too. Always harder to play a team who can hit you from all over the park.
I'm crossing everything that this comes off, I really am.
143 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:21:30
£65-100M for a player who has scored 32 Premier League goals in his career (with 21 assists) from 177 games is lunacy IMO. Some would say exciting, I would say frustrating.
Sorting that defence out is the priority – we will get Zouma for £40-50M.
144 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:22:07
I saw someone comment on another story that you can't get a Chelsea shirt with Zouma's name on it.
Thursday and Friday are going to be a mental couple of days.
145 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:54:39
146 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:57:19
Moshiri hasn't learnt. Brands's limited involvement means Zaha is Moshiri's big money buy. Only Kenwright would head such negotiations.
Silva has said that McCarthy "does not impress in training; other players are prepared to work harder and play to help the team". Tosun we all know about.
No wonder we are in transfer fee dreamland.
147 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:11:15
Zaha will be staying put, apparently...
148 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:13:22
149 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:15:13
But new players – any new players – is what the fans demand and the lessons of the Walsh era have sadly not been learned. What a pity that all Unsworth's work is seen as pointless although a half dozen of his graduates are being given the chance to strive in the lower divisions.
No longer the Everton I have loved for over 70 years, just a money pit for foreign players and their leaders. And they will still do well to finish top seven!
150 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:31:00
Unfortunately, success breeds success and these days you need a huge financial bunk up to get the ball rolling in that regard.
The academy and junior teams are just as important as they've always been. If the club can rise to the level where we are actually winning things, then it will just give those who prove themselves worthy a bigger stage to perform on.
151 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:36:00
152 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:57:32
153 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:02:20
We can never forget Bob the Pole and that Leeds debut game and the win at Man Utd!
154 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:17:19
"Kenwright is supposed to be heading negotiations."
"Brands's limited involvement means Zaha is Moshiri's big-money buy. Only Kenwright would head such negotiations."
Do you have some sort of influence in the Club? Is your finger firmly on the pulse of all things in our transfer dealings? Or are your comments merely supposition?
How do you KNOW that Brands has limited involvement? I would have thought that our transfer dealings these past few days would suggest that Boys Pen Bill has not been anywhere near the incoming deals. Or outgoings. And that Brands is doing what he was brought in to do, hence the feeling of excitement and anticipation.
Supposition (n) "a belief held without proof or certain knowledge", There's a lot of supposition on ToffeeWeb these days...
155 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:21:58
156 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:22:54
Since then he's steadily developed into a solid Premier League performer and no more than that for me. He doesn't really hurt the top teams.
He caught the eye at Goodison last year I have to say. He was very robust and wriggled his way out of challenge after challenge. But his side lost the game and – despite looking powerful and strong – he did very little to create anything at all although he did win a penalty through sloppy defending.
I think this summer may have been an opportune time to upgrade on Gylfi Sigurdsson. At his age, I seriously would have considered selling him and recouping some transfer fee on him while we still can.
I believe he adds a lot of individual quality to our team but he is not a playmaker in the sense that a No 10 should be.
157 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:27:43
I note that the article – although light on sources –does come from the Independent which I've always found to be one of the more respected authorities on sources. They actually employ journalists – unlike other rags, which just print any old gossip they think up.
158 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:29:35
I am waiting for other clubs and the media to start hinting darkly about Usmanov. It won't be long. It may also be true.
As fans, either we buy in to modern football or we turn away. I've made the choice to stay, because I can't help it.
By the way, I think we'll do better than 7th.
159 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:34:03
All this adds up to a player who would be unsettled.
160 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:35:43
Again the problem for everybody involved is we have left this far too late, and too late for Roy as well who probably can see himself come Thursday with £150M in the bank and no time to buy new signings
Please don't tell me Kenwright has any involvement in this or it will not end well for anybody involved, I can see the deal falling apart and us dirtying our bib with Palace.
There is a chance we could come back for him at Xmas, I believe the same holds for Zouma
161 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:36:00
Likewise with Zouma. Will we just wait? Or will there be a surprise new centre-back? Llorente? Rekik? Ferro?
Enjoy the next few days as I suspect this may be the last time we splash the cash for a few years!
162 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:48:16
Taking that into account – and with Zaha wanting to leave – surely this is going to happen?
163 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:53:10
I would find someone else for half that price and pay massively for Zouma.
164 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:53:41
165 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:54:04
I can't quite convince myself with Zaha. A very good player but only 3-4 years left at the very top at age 27 now and, as Palace made a lot of money on Wan-Bissaka, they can't be desperate for the money from selling Zaha. Seems to me they will try to screw us and we will end up pulling out and the danger then is we will be too late to pursue another player.
That said, the thought of our front three if we do sign him is very exciting. I'll put my faith in Brands, I think – he knows better than I do!
166 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:12:10
Can't see Palace selling him until late on Thursday though, so they avoid him turning up against them on Saturday.
167 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:16:44
168 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:24:06
Zaha will be a magnificent signing – the vaunted 'statement' signing – and if we bring Zouma back and Reunier in January, it will be a fantastic window – shrewd too in many ways (including "We'll look after your son"; clever, very clever).
Generally there's not been a tremendous amount of business in this transfer window and, given the quality of our activity, we've got to believe that we've stolen a march on other mid-table teams. I believe that, based on a player-for-player comparison, we're up there with Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. Then make allowance for the managers, one of which is inexperienced, one is the bookies favourite to be the first to be sacked, and Emery is good. We have to be good for top 6.
This massive influx of bright, young talent may not gel immediately but, given time, I don't think it's unrealistic to dream of Europa League next season then Champions League the following season.
169 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:30:51
If Leicester can win this league then why the fuck can't we too!!!
You see, my fellow ToffeeWebber's, I can do positive !!!.
170 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:59:07
Pure comedy gold.
I love the way you speak with such authority on the inner workings of the club, about which you know as much as the next fan: next to nowt... and then some more nowt.
But keep 'em coming. They do give me a chuckle.
171 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:12:40
According to an article on the News Now website, Kenwright stopped the Zaha transfer at £40 million and the denial of the additional offer was officially released by Everton. It also said that Kenwright had reopened talks with Crystal Palace this week.
In another article on the same website, the comments regarding McCarthy were attributed to Silva. The widespread speculation regarding McCarthy and Tosun is apparently connected to the Zaha transfer. Brands is not mentioned, but he would have to be involved somewhere, you would think.
172 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:22:32
173 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:25:57
£65 million? — never in a million years!
174 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:27:09
If they over-charge, don't pay. There are other options out there. Ryan Fraser, as someone mentioned, would be a solid addition. Maybe McNeil from Burnley would be worth a bid too.
Not to mention Everton Cebolinha, Lozano, and lord knows who else Mr Brands must have jotted down in his little black book.
175 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:29:20
Kenwright's probably trying to ditch Zaha and get Rooney as player-coach.
176 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:33:43
It didn't sound like Kenwright had much to do with Kean signing so why would he run this show? Also the Mail, while citing Kenwright, said he refused to go over £52 million but Silva is adamant he wants Zaha.
177 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:43:25
Like you, I take a look at Newsnow on a daily basis, but the vast majority of articles on there are purely click bait, the sole purpose is to sell advertising space. Unless the article is from what I regard as a proper news outlet, such as the Independent or The Times etc. I take it with a mountain of salt. Sites like HITC, Sportwitness etc are complete rubbish and just make things up, under the umbrella of "Report". These sites have even contradicted themselves with opposing comments on the same page! Player X will sign, Player X WON'T sign...
Unless Kenwright's participation is reported by a reputable source, then I won't give it any credence. Brands's main reason for being at Everton is to look after our transfers, at least, that is my understanding of his role. Maybe Kenwright HAS had some input, maybe he hasn't; neither of us knows for certain, but my belief is that Brands is the main man.
Incidentally, my original post was not meant to be sarcastic nor abusive; unfortunately, the written word does not allow "inflection" so comments may appear more personal than intended.
178 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:48:09
179 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:00:08
If not then is it worth £100m on wages on transfer fees to maybe only get up to 5th or 6th?
I really like Zaha and would love to see his ilk at Everton. But the money we have is not infinite and in fact the coffers will be redirected to stadium build soon. Would we be better off spending £25-35m on a younger player who we could sell for twice the amount in 3-4 years time? Like it or not we will probably be sell-to-buy whilst the stadium is built.
180 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:15:58
Hope you are right. But I can't help thinking if I was the Chairman of Crystal Palace or Hodgson, Who would I prefer to negotiate with? Kenwright or Brands?
The Zaha transfer saga has the fingerprints of Moshiri and Kenwright written over it, in my opinion. It's not Brands's style.
Everton need a finisher, as the pre-season has shown. Of course Silva would want Zaha.
181 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:21:14
Roy would I am sure prefer to deal with Brands but if Parish is involved it could be different. That joker was lined up for Shark Tank, and had his high profile fling with ITV's Breakfast host Suzanna Read. Sounds exactly like the kind of luvvy duvvy wannabee celebrity that would love to sit over a Martini with Kenwright chatting about Tony Awards, the London Palladium, and their favourite Dave Allen skits.
182 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:23:55
Thank you for your comments. No offence ever taken, especially in transfer week.
183 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:41:10
I actually had nightmares when it was speculated during the debacle that Wenger was in the running for the Everton Manager's job.
Luvvy duvvy is too close to Luvies for comfort.
184 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:57:15
It's no more informative than me trawling the Internet for leads on these stories, then publishing them for people to feast on.
Utter rubbish half the time. Why do you think the stories are so wildly different from one to the next? Surely you don't really take them as gospel in any way do you?
185 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:13:32
Whoever he is he will almost certainly be new to the Premier League, and could easily struggle. Players like Boufal and Elyounoussi (Southampton) and Ghezzal (Leicester) have hardly set the league on fire despite doing well at their previous clubs - so much so that Southampton have rolled the dice on Djenepo - another winger - again at just under €20 million. Bournemouth have chucked roughly the same on 22-year-old Holland international Danjuma. There are just so many unknowns. I'd much rather spend three times the money on someone like Zaha who will walk straight into our first team and who has proven himself to be effective in this league.
If there is one player who I'd be keen to sign - and who might cost about half the Zaha money - it would be Reiss Nelson, but I'd imagine the chance that Arsenal would sell him is almost zero. Ryan Fraser is another option, but I don't think he would transform us in the same way that Zaha could.
186 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:21:25
'Is Siggi for sale?'
'Yes £30m please
'How about 25m?'
'Ok that's now £40m
'Hang on Luvvie you said £30m,
'Call me Luvvie, it's now £45m
Bill walks away and the office junior takes over
187 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:33:16
I'd also contend there's zero chance Palace is actually asking for 100 million.
Palace initially valued Zaha at 80 million. They've now received an offer of 65 million, adding in a 20 million striker and a 10 million midfielder. Even if you knock off 5 million respectively from Everton's valuation of Cenk and McCarthy, we've still met their valuation.
Where, and on what planet, will Palace ever receive 100 million for Wilfred Zaha? They won't. It's that simple.
The deal will get done at around 80 million - which satisfies both party's valuations.
Men in power like to penis wave and measure. They're playing a game of chicken right now - first one to flinch loses.
Palace will, in the end, want the dosh. They'll blink, we'll jump at it, and expect to see Wilfred Zaha rushed north for a medical at the deadline. Let's just hope the fax works. :0)
Crystal ball put back in the drawer. Supposition halted.
Oh, and for people saying we should be in for Chucky Lozano? Completely over rated player. Steer clear. He's not that good. If you like watching a player cut in, shoot, and see the ball literally travel into orbit, Chucky's your guy.
188 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:44:47
As chairman, and given the size of the fee involved and the fact he is in London and Brands is here, there and everywhere, I wouldnt say there is zero chance Kenwright is involved.
Also, I guess the £100M suggested is just sensationalism to grab a headline and would include a 5-year contract @ £150k a week, agents fees and journalists' exaggeration.
I would hazard a guess (and it's only a guess) that it is £55M plus James McCarthy – which is still high but almost acceptable.
189 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:03:32
190 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:17:06
I totally agree that there's no-one who is guaranteed to come in and make an immediate impact as Zaha. He'd bring a lot for the next few years. And that's why he's our main target. I just wonder whether all that expenditure is worth it if we only move from 7th to 6th?
In terms of alternatives there are always options. Ghezzal and Boufal may have flopped but the one I wanted last year was Felipe Anderson; he has been excellent and every chance West Ham will sell him in a year or two for twice their outlay.
Who would flip and who would succeed is, of course, Brands's job. I quite like Lozano and Neres. I really wanted Malcom. I think Tsyngakov looks interesting and I think Traore would surprise a few people. An older but fascinating option could be Ziyech and a safer (cheaper) alternative might be Fraser.
I'll be chuffed if Zaha signs but I'm one who does look at and think about the price tag. If he got us into the Champions League, then great. But if he elevates us only to 6th/7th, then are we looking at a good investment? Because this cash flow will dry up soon.
191 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:22:49
You're right — our Chairman is involved. He can't help himself.
Transfer week, picture with Zaha, prospect of a draw in London, a Luvie's bash with Parish afterwards, no overnight accommodation and Parish with money to spend. Not only is Kenwright discussing the transfer with Parish, he is planning the menu.
Who is going to be able to stop him? Dramas are his occupation — especially if someone else in paying.
192 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:27:57
City - massive squad infallible for sure
Liverpool - very strong in defence, but midfield is not all that and they lack a central striker and they have signed no one.
Tottenham - Pochettino is waging a war against Levy in the Press and that won't be good for squad morale. They've also only got Kane and if he's injured then they're in trouble. Eriksen is still there and wants to leave, Alli is not at his best for over a year now, and some question marks over their squad, even if they did make the CL final.
Chelsea - transfer ban. Striker wise, they lost Higuaín, sold Morati and sold Hazard. Looks like Giroud, Batshuayi and Abraham are their only strikers and Willian is their Hazard replacement. Barkley is also now a big player for them!
Man Utd - signed Maguire but still need to sort the defence out. The keeper has had a tough season and no longer looks the very best in the world (still brilliant don't get me wrong). The midfield is a mess and striker wise, who is replacing Lukaku? Is Solksjaer going to last until Christmas? the club looks a shambles
Arsenal - I think they have a very good manager, and yet they still finished 5th, they still cannot spend big money (Kroenke for you), and they still have holes in the first team.
I truly believe that with a bit of luck, someone new can crack that top 4. So, why not go for it? The rewards are vast, and if Moshiri can afford it, and FFP allows it, and Brands has planned it, why not?
PS Sign a bloody centre-back though!
193 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:30:19
194 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:36:49
If you're also big on Wolves, Leicester, and West Ham, you're looking at ten teams that will be strong(ish) this season.
We're embarking on what may be the most exciting season in my time, league-wide.
I think Wolves will find it very hard to compete on multiple fronts. But the Holy Spirit is one hell of a coach, and clearly has God on his side.
West Ham will improve. I'm not as sold on them, but many pundits mention them as being a stronger side.
I think Leicester will be very, very good. Despite Brenda's reputation in Evertonian circles, I think he's a good manager and will have them playing entertaining, near-reckless football that could easily propel them up the table.
It's going to be a rollercoaster of a ride I think.
195 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:37:18
Nah, me neither. Not really. But Thursday is getting close and other than Zouma there's not been much "gossip" on any incoming players at centre-back. I'd sleep a bit easier if I saw a lot of gossip on a few different options and could take that as reassurance that the club are actively looking for a Zouma replacement.
These days, so many people are involved in a transfer, it's in the interests of many to leak the details (to increase the money or the pressure), and so you would expect to see something.
196 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:41:08
West Ham are West Ham. I don't think I need to add any more. Ok maybe one more thing, Pellegrini is their manager and he's about 96 now.
Leicester looked the strongest, but they've lost a big player in Maguire. They have a few strong players, but they also have a few weak players regularly starting games. They don't have enough quality to make the top 6. And as for Brenda, definitely overrated.
It's up to us.
197 Posted 06/08/2019 at 17:11:52
We will have a clearer idea of where we are after Thursday when we can properly reflect on and evaluate the actual squad we will go into the season with. On paper at least, it already looks good with a couple of more days to add to it still.
In the main, I'd agree with your evaluation of the top six with a couple of extra notes.
The 'bours have not significantly added to their squad. They got very, very lucky last year in that no players suffered long-term injury, certainly none of their key players. The odds are that that luck will not continue. Have they the second or third tier players to adequately cover for the absence of such players? I personally doubt it.
The CL run covered up a dreadful 2nd half of the PL season at Spurs. Having had comfortably the best away record in the league at the turn of the year, by season's end they were constantly being beaten away from home, lost a couple of times in their new stadium (we also should have beaten them) and based on the league form of the final third of the season their league position would have seen them just above the relegation zone. Cristensen could be leaving, or remain unsettled. Pochettino has repeated recently his concerns about Deli Ali's recurring hamstring injuries which will see him miss the start of the season. Kane and Song are their main men...and what if either of them pick up an injury, as Kane did twice last season?
You are spot on about Chelsea, United and Arsenal. 'Lambard' [sic] maybe just that - the sacrificial lamb to sit in the manager's chair for a single season because no top manager would be willing to assume the role in a season that Chelsea must play with the transfer ban.
Solksjaer flattered to deceive on arrival at United, largely due to a benevolent fixture list. On being appointed full-time, their form again collapsed. Their signings (and possible outgoings) will not fully address their shortcomings.
At Arsenal, I like Emery and would not have been averse to seeing him at Everton. But again, is their transfer policy this summer addressing their key needs: to strengthen both their central defence and midfield?
If Everton can ride the wave from our closing form last season, if the new players can be integrated and got up to speed quickly, a challenge on the top six - even the top four - is on for me, too.
PS - I'm looking UP only, not down towards what the likes of Wolves, Leicester and WHU might do.
198 Posted 06/08/2019 at 17:31:09
199 Posted 06/08/2019 at 17:31:09
Tottenham fell like a lead balloon as well.
The question is has they strengthened enough? Probably not.
Have we got a good enough team to challenge them? That depends on Kean and what he can do. And if we bring in zaha or someone of his quality.
Zaha, kean and Richarlison running at them defences is going to scare the life out of them!
200 Posted 06/08/2019 at 18:56:43
Until Zouma is replaced by Zouma then this is nothing more than a Steve Walsh move from Brands. He was brought in to find young talent like Kean for decent value.
Zouma should be the only priority right now.
201 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:29:53
202 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:46:37
We have to gain at least 20 points on last season and that is a tall ask given the unfamiliarity of the squad.
I would also not underestimate Wolves. They have a quality manager and some good quality players although they will be hindered by the cursed Europa while they are still in it.
203 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:55:43
Considering we'd also have to pay him circa £150k per week I think it's time to walk away.
204 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:59:35
Palace have messed us around enough, we don't want this dragging out to the last min for it all to fall through.
Move on lets forgot about him now.
205 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:00:24
206 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:02:57
We have a cracking opportunity this season. Ive a feeling Barkley will do well for Chelsea this year as l think he wad brought in as Hazzards replacement. He has looked good pre season but then again they look short up top. Arsenal could do better, and who wouldnt want their front 3.
207 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:06:05
208 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:15:49
No one has suggested approaching Zenit and offering to take over Malcolms transfer, they have longer to bring a replacement in than our window and solves an issue their fans have with the player.
209 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:17:49
Personally I wouldn't want to be the guy making this decision but if we want to be seen as a big club it requires big decisions. Did the Reds baulk at £70 million for Van Dyke? Manu's £80 million for Maguire? We wanted to be at the top table well this is the moment we find out if we have the bottle for it.
210 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:19:25
211 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:22:16
212 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:24:11
213 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:25:06
By leaving it all so late other teams are unlikely to sell as they cant get replacements.
Its bloody ridiculous we find ourselves approaching the last 48hrs with such massive bids out of the blue
214 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:27:53
215 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:34:18
But it's not about the player it's about the price. We wanted a billionaire owner and now we have one. We wanted to be in the mix for the top draw players and now we are. But this is the biggest deal we've ever been up for and it's scary.
It's like when most of us make a big buy, house, car, big TV. We know we want it but we are scared of buyers regret. Well it's the same now only on a much bigger scale. We feel like it's our own money even though it isn't. All we can really do is hope that those who are making this decision know what they are doing. But unless the club says otherwise all we can do is sweat and worry.
216 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:37:56
217 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:40:09
218 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:54:00
219 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:07:17
B: I get the feeling he wouldn't fit in to what we already have
C: He could be another Bolasie, shudder.
220 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:12:26
We cant get this Zaha deal over the line... That there might be a chance of Coutihno on loan from Barca. Haha. I mean Zaha. He has to go somewhere!!
221 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:22:14
222 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:37:52
Do you see the problem with reading SSN's transfer thingy?
It's all bollocks to keep you going back for more.
223 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:48:19
224 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:53:16
225 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:57:39
Only asking,Steve, because I respect your views. Hope you will be at the Exscelior do. By then we will know so much more.
226 Posted 06/08/2019 at 22:09:36
If it happens great, if not walk away, end of.
227 Posted 06/08/2019 at 22:18:23
Stagnating since the '70s? Were you out of town for the '80s? Just asking since I thought we were fairly successful in that period. COYB
228 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:05:26
I've said since Silva came that Gueye and Sigurdsson do not fit his tactics. Gueye proved me wrong to some extent as he grew by the second half of the season and was really getting forwards. Sigurdsson though just does not fit, and we have to play 4-2-3-1 to accommodate him. And so this means Zaha and Richarlison being wingers rather than forwards and so increased defensive duties, and instead of the trio of Gomes, Doucouré and Gbamin to counter balance them, there's only two of them and they're trying to counterbalance 4 players. So by being more attacking we are actually more solid in defence.
The thing with Sigurdsson is that he turns 30 in a few weeks, and so if he plays a big part this season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved on next summer. And Silva would not replace him like for like.
229 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:18:18
I'd rather we got Zouma or Doucore if I'm honest.
230 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:24:41
It shows we can compete with the likes of Arsenal in the market and sign someone one of the "Big Six" could not afford, and someone that Fleet Street have touted to the "Big Six" all summer long. Add in Keane and Doucouré and then there will be a real buzz around Everton that should continue with our relatively easy start (certainly compared to 2 years ago) and we should be top 4 by the end of October.
This would then have a knock-on with Sponsors and the like, maybe we could even make an even bigger signing in January. It just creates momentum, and football is all about momentum.
231 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:45:57
It shows weakness rather than strength, likewise with Watford.
Let Brands continue to work his magic rather than make "ego" signings.
232 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:56:26
233 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:56:33
Palace are also taking the piss, as they keep moving the goal posts.
We need to move on fast.
234 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:58:56
235 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:03:04
Sorry, Jay, I'm a dreamer, and I like to dream in silly season. Those hopes and dreams have usually gone by November, so let us enjoy the now!
236 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:04:29
I dont see him being a M/M signing but a Moshiri shiny new toy buy. Silva will have to change his formation and tactics to accommodate him as he will be expected to start every game and that could cause disruption.
If it does happen (I dont think it will) I hope Im proven wrong.
237 Posted 07/08/2019 at 00:08:33
238 Posted 07/08/2019 at 00:12:29
All these massive fees are silly money. but all the clubs we want to displace in the top 4 are doing it and so must we. There are no shortcuts here. We either put our money where our mouth is or stay mid-table. What's it gonna be?
239 Posted 07/08/2019 at 00:14:09
And I'd have Andy Crooks at CB all day long. But could we afford him?
Colin #235, think you're way off target re Moshiri. He's never shown the slightest indication of toying around with the club. He's made some bad decisions, but they've all been purely business.
240 Posted 07/08/2019 at 02:00:16
241 Posted 07/08/2019 at 06:50:02
242 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:15:28
Think most of us would prefer Zaha but I do worry about our depth at CB currently. Most good teams are built on solid defense even more than an exciting attack.
243 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:24:58
Potentially buying those two players for similar fees to Ndombele and Dybala (who to my eyes are future superstars if not present ones).
I trust Brands but thats huge expenditure on two players with profile fairly limited to the PL.
Maybe I shouldnt worry about price tags but I do and would feel a bit more comfortable if we bought Sangare and Ziyech/Ryan Fraser for £25m each.
244 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:30:00
245 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:45:28
246 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:47:06
247 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:05:57
248 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:28:15
249 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:33:47
250 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:36:21
The way Brands has gone about his work this summer seems so very professional, and I hope he can shift a bit more, then bring in who the manager wants this window, and we can start to work on a settled squad.
To early to go on about that word that everyone hates on T/W, (its hated that much Ive forgotten it) but everyone likes stability, because it usually brings success?
251 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:59:02
I do really like both players so Im being a bit churlish. If we signed them both Id be pretty delighted and I dont think either are in the Bolasie bracket; they both almost guarantee end product. Surely we cant afford both though?
252 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:20:29
It would involve a lot of money and probably deals that are on the verge of completion already.
Zaha, Doucore and Zouma would be mind blowing but there could be others that havent even been mentioned that come in.
253 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:32:36
If Real or Barcelona were chasing Zaha he would cost them substantially more. Coutinho went to Barcelona for £120 Million over a year ago.
We haven't strengthened anywhere near enough. No Zouma, Gana and Walcott on the right should give people pause. We lack a game changer with speed, control and that unpredictable piece of flair... in every game.
We looked flat and poor in pre-season and anyone who thinks that we will step our game up has forgotten that the entire Premier League steps their game up so that cancels that argument.
We cannot pin our hopes on the back of a 19 year old. We NEED another big player and game changer. Someone who can draw defenders towards him and create space for others. An unplayable living nightmare.
People measuring the lad on assists are forgetting that to register an assist an average Palace striker needs to score. By failing to score all of Zaha's hard work is forgotten. Kean will most likely raise Zaha's assist record and Kean will benefit from their partnership.
Palace aren't stupid. They know that losing Zaha might dump them into a relegation battle. That is how big a player and game changer he is for them. Think of what he could do for us. Pay the fucking money.
You want to play in the big leagues you need to take the big risks. I for one don't see Zaha as a huge risk, but a player who will transform us going forward. You can't put money on the possibility of our success.
If we win the FA cup how many of us are going to quibble about that extra 10-15 Million!
For me this is a test to see if we are truly ambitious enough. If not then we cannot argue with another trophy less season and a 7th or 8th place finish.
Still trusting Brands to get this done.
254 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:38:56
Zaha would improve us with 10 goals, assists and would win 5-10 penalties as well for us. I wonder whether the introduction of VAR has improved this players value !
Above all we need players who can fit our system and style of play. We hit on a formula in 2019 and it worked, our form the last 10-12 games was Champions League challenging form.
That team had forged an understanding of Marco Silva's system. Players knew their roles and executed their responsibilities week in week out. We were a handful for all-comers. Controlled aggression in rapidly closing down opponents and attacking fast.
One of the biggest things was the defensive duties of out front 3. Bernard DCL and Richie, they contributed to wins immeasurably with there tenacious backtracking and closing down. Any replacements or challengers for those positions [Zaha/Kean] must match or better that discipline.
They have to understand they are coming in to Everton not as individuals but as slotting into an irrepressible fighting unit. Where discipline and ruthlessness reign supreme. Goals, wins and success will be borne out of that.
Any new players have to slot into that and perform or we will not improve.
255 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:44:56
Now I know we're not a CL club, but we're the only game in town at the price Palace want. They would be mad to turn us down, and he'd be mad not to insist on a transfer. I don't believe that him leaving Palace will necessarily mean relegation for them, and £80m could buy a lot of solid pros to keep them safe anyway, whether in this window or the January window.
All the logic says this deal will go through.
256 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:50:49
257 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:54:33
Once we bring in Sidibe and hopefully Zouma or equivalent CB then this window will have been a success, but tinged with disappointment if we don't get Zaha.
258 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:56:22
Palace have named there price and they want at least what United have paid for Harry Maguire, and who can really blame them for that?
Walk away or make a statement of intent, Whos running the show, Big AL, or Moshiri!?
259 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:02:29
260 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:07:38
No I did mate. Flying home this evening to have a day glued to Jimmy Horse Teeth White.
261 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:19:04
I agree. I think Tosun just needs a bit of confidence and good service and he would score more. He's a better finisher than DCL. He also comes across as a likeable lad. If he stayed I wouldn't have a problem.
262 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:22:11
It'll be "undisclosed" (if it happens) so as not to embarrass Palace though the media will report their own figures.
Orrrrrrrr there could be someone else in the frame.
263 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:23:40
The lad is 27 in 3 months, so at 30-31 will likely have greatly reduced sell on value.
I think what we are offering is more than fair and probably over the top already.
I think we have to batten down the hatches and not overpay on this one. If Palace struggle, Zaha gets an injury,loses form or motivation as a result and they flirt with relegation at 28 years old his value will be halved.
Palace will be motivated to cash in now, we should stick to our guns, or walk away.
264 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:31:51
265 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:37:08
266 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:48:34
I hear part of the deal is a box set of Bill's best plays and a set of hair rollers for Steve Pariah sorry Parish
267 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:49:54
268 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:50:26
269 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:53:22
If it was us we would have took the £55M offer.
Hope we are taking note as I think Richarlison will be wanted by many next season.
270 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:54:54
271 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:57:08
272 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:01
Last occasions that We played Palace, he was a "Flouncy Flop Artist", a diver, a referee appealer, a complete shithouse. What that told Me loud and clear was that Our defence and defensive tactics were FAR superior to his frustrated efforts.
My evaluation of him concludes here. He's a diving shithouse.
I don't want him.
Man City ? Zero bids.
LFC ? Zero bids.
Spurs ? Zero bids.
Arse ? Rumoured interest concludes because he is WAY overpriced.
Chelski ? Zero bids.
Manure ? Zero bids.
To outdo those ahead of Us, We need to be smarter, more often. If not, then We choose to fail.
When he was a vehicle to offload some of our "unfancied", then I could see a point. Still wasn't great business (in My opinion).
Pay MORE if necessary.
BUT, buy right.
Too many seasons, decades of "Maybe he'll be OK ?".
Our current plan to buy younger so that they are:
More fired up
Likely to bond as a team (the ENTIRE squad, coaches, trainers, medics etc)
££££ ? Or Time ?
They ARE connected with EFC, each other, MS, MB and with US Fans !
COYB ! ! ! !
273 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:39
Exhibit A: Davy Klaassen
Exhibit B: Sandro Ramirez
274 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:43
275 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:50
While you can't blame Palace for holding out for the best deal, the issue/risk for them is that if a deal isn't done they could have a seriously pissed off "asset" on their hands.
With Arsenal having invested elsewhere we seem to be the only player left at the table willing/interested to pay a large sum for Wilf. Neither the rest of the Sky 5 or those in Europe who could afford him seem interested.
Let's watch with interest how this one plays out.
276 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:03:12
277 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:08:26
Everton don't choose when this stuff happens, it's the same for all clubs - agents and clubs hang on till the last minute to get the most money. It's not the fault of Everton at all.
278 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:11:39
Is this guy actually worth this amount of dosh or are we simply being creamed? When he seemed to drop off the radar I was not that bothered tbh, and remain to be convinced - almost feels like a near namesake Saha signing. However, if our recruitment team are that keen, I am happy to put my trust with them.
Great if we get him, not the end of the world if we don't as I see it. Would love to see what havoc Keen, Richie and AhaZaha could wreak on a few defenses though!
279 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:13:52
As Alexander has said, no other teams want him, as the price is way too high, are Everton going to be suckers like Man Utd and pay way over the odds.
Also, if we do buy him, how long will it be if Zaha is successful, before he spits his dummy out and wants his dream move to wherever?
Everton fans denigrate other teams for swooping in on our players, has that stance changed now? Everton's constant approaches have definitely unsettled Zaha, were we happy when PSG wanted Gueye in January?
280 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:14:27
281 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:18:37
Personally I think Everton have handled their transfer business perfectly this window, and will be proven to have done so. We've sold, loaned and bought well so far. We all agree we could do with some cover at centre half, but we also have a decent right-back incoming and have good competition for places and cover in almost all areas.
I think the squad looks good, well balanced and healthier than last season with or without Zaha. Let's face it, not one of us would have expected us to be looking at buying him anyway.
My view is this will go down to the wire, and we will bring in a centre half.
282 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:19:47
283 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:19:55
If it's the value of the whole deal I'm assuming they don't want Tosun?
284 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:20:37
Tell Palace to keep him and move on to someone else before its too late.
285 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:20:46
It's easy to be impatient but let's not criticise Everton for lacking purpose here.
286 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:22:04
It doesnt matter who if any other clubs were in for him. Brands and Silva want him and thats that. Chelsea have a ban, Arsenal went for a player they could pay for over years, Utd have enough players they can't work in and the shite are skint.
We have players to sell and to loan to offset the cost, its about shaping the squad to our liking, closing the gap as best we can. We have Brands, we have Moshiri... now coyb
287 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:23:29
Palace are also giving us a lesson on how to conduct a transfer negotiation. He has been a good club servant but there has been zero sentimentality and a complete focus on doing what is in the interests of the club.
288 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:24:07
I'm almost certain we'll have multiple targets currently being negotiated with.
It's also likely that Palace keep spilling the beans to Sky which is why the narrative is fixed on Zaha.
289 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:26:05
290 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:39:36
Oh so Everton don't just dip into the cavernous money-pot they keep in the cellar? You mean they have to actually speak to financial institutions to work out the finance of a deal? And the potential upping of said deal as well? Then perhaps work out how to offset said deal against others leaving the club, and so on?
Isn't money funny.
I thought they would just tap tap tap some more numbers onto it, and hey presto! You mean to say running a football club isn't like a computer game at all in fact?
Financial constraints you say? Making deals with other clubs...you mean those clubs might be having a say in this as well? How it's all conducted isn't just down to Everton? Flabbergasted. Thanks, Steve ;-)
291 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:44:11
292 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:44:29
I don't give a dam how much they pay for Zaha personally, if Moshiri wants to lash out £80m good luck to him if that's what it takes.
We badly need Zouma or his like but that has gone very quiet now.
There will be one or two surprises late on I fancy though.
293 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:46:02
294 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:48:27
295 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:52:47
Think this is us showing Palace we'll go elsewhere? Or a credible bid?
296 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:00:13
297 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:00:49
I've not seen a lot of the lad, and always considered him to be a player who played from the wing, like Arteta did, rather than an out and out winger. We've already got one of them in Bernard.
Anyone seen a lot of him and think we should go for him instead? We're linked along with Newcastle who seem very determined to get him. I don't know if we are serious or being used as an "interested party" just to push the price up
298 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:01:20
299 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:01:57
Jason Broome # 253 almost had me wavering but then I read Tony Everan # 254 and Alexander Murphy # 272.
I thought £65m was too much but £80m+ - I just cantt come at that.
We have 4 players capable of playing on either wing - Bernard, Richarlison, Kean, and Walcott three of whom can play centrally if Silva needs to mix it up.
Tonys comment about the part Bernard and Richarlison played defensively last season is the clincher for me.
I asked myself who do we need the most going into this season Zaha or Zouma? Given that I expect Kean to get at least 15 goals my answer is Zouma.
Zouma is 24 - put an offer to Chelsea they cant refuse.
300 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:02:35
301 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:03:58
302 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:04:35
Palace have rejected it.
They are saying they want closer to 100m, they are taking the piss now. Arsenal were looking at 55m as the player's value due to his age.
Walk away time I think.
303 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:06:19
Aleast they took McCarthy. The problem with Tosun he can't beat his marker and he hasn't got a shot in his locker. Will probably be loaned out.
Looks like it will be a loan move for another Centre Back from Chelsea, the same idea as back up for Mina as last season. Chelsea rarely do loans with buy options.
Lopes may come in the frame if Doucoure doesn't come good. Wouldn't be surprised of late arrived of a Centre Forward, bought or on loan.
Silva obviously doesn't want the midfield overrun as it was last season, at times.
304 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:06:55
305 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:11:50
306 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:12:04
A name for those of us well into their 30s. Anyway, he said the following:
"Sidibe will sign before Zaha,who has had a change of heart being hugely impressed with Everton's ambition,particularly with the signing of Kean.
Top class source."
Elton Welsby as an ITK guy on twitter? Weird.
307 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:14:49
308 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:15:51
So, what could possibly add up to £100M ?
McCarthy's transfer fee plus wages in a contract ?
Cenk Tosun, same.
£25M, maybe £30M ?
So, James & Cenk are "Trade Ons".
Even My basic arithmetic can see that almost £40M of such a "deal scenario" would mean that Zaha transfer + wages + "trade Ons" could rapidly add up to £100M.
Journalists write shite to catch your eye, not to reveal the truth. The seekers of "truth & justice", in the world of journalism are one in a generation.
Think Pele, Maradonna, not Brett Angell and Per Kroldrupp.
309 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:16:45
310 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:18:33
311 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:20:38
312 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:21:33
I remember my dear old dad being outraged that we were paying £2.5 million for Tony Cottee. He was also displeased when I asked him whether I could go and watch us against Arsenal one Tuesday night during the season we signed Beardsley. I think it was our first home game that season. When I told him it was £9 to get on the Street End because it was all-seater instead of £4 he talked me out of it - "£9!!!?" I wonder what he'd think of Harry Maguire for £80 million.
313 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:21:42
Awful player even as as stop gap. Rather see Gibson given a go.
314 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:22:32
315 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:24:59
316 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:25:03
317 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:28:14
318 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:29:15
Looking desperate at Goodison Park.
319 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:29:24
320 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:29:37
321 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:31:22
322 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:31:41
323 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:34:05
324 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:34:07
325 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:34:28
326 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:37:12
It appears that both Palace and Watford don't wish to let their best players come to us because they can't accept that we are a bigger club with far more ambition and potential than themselves. That's certainly the case with Watford.
327 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:39:26
328 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:40:30
If it's true we've offered £70m plus Tosun & Macca, that's more than fucking reasonable.
329 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:41:12
Kunai mentioned Lozano, we've been linked with Neres, what about Everton - it is probably too late to get these guys now but this is a longer term project, we don't need to panic buy.
Zaha at £60 mill - OK, but £100Mill? - Palace are trying to pull our pants down. I reckon Marcel will have a back up plan so let's see what happens over the next day or so.
CB is still the priority for me and a direct striker. Kean will be great but he's 19 and can't be expected to fix our scoring situation on his own.
330 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:41:40
331 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:44:08
332 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:45:47
333 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:46:09
Maybe Ryan Fraser - into the last 12 months of his contract - is primed to leave.
334 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:50:00
We are looking at bringing in a similar calibre of players like Bernard, Mina, Gomes and Zouma who all arrived on deadline day.
The media is spouting shite out as usual. I expect we will bring in quality tomorrow and it won't be those two.
335 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:50:00
We are looking at bringing in a similar calibre of players like Bernard, Mina, Gomes and Zouma who all arrived on deadline day.
The media is spouting shite out as usual. I expect we will bring in quality tomorrow and it won't be those two.
336 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:51:55
Next 24hrs is going to be a bit of a whirlwind I reckon.
337 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:53:56
338 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:54:52
For years these forums are filled with relentless moaning about lack of activity or unambitious targets, now we're investing in genuine 'CL quality players' its all moaning about 'desperate bids' and 'x not worth y', etc.
Silva and Brands wants 2 (central def + right wing), maybe 3 (central mid) more and he has a list he's working down. Its not like we don't already have a team that can compete, we're just a bit light (especially central def).
They have been steadily working on targets and in 4 cases already have got their man (Sidibe set to join soon). The only problems seem to come with the Premier League...with ludicrous price expectations and 'politics' getting involved over basic sensible business.
E.g. Palace not accepting £70M for Zaha (a player who's only going to be worth less over time and who clearly wants to go) and Arsenal not taking £30M for someone who is a fringe player at best.
Who gives two figs if we get
339 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:55:48
340 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:56:43
341 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:57:22
342 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:02
343 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:06
344 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:31
345 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:49
Be like those saying Everton were wrong to reject the 20 mil bid for gana in January, or we should have accepted the first bids we received for Stones and Lukaku.
If you don't think he's worth what they want ok but they think they'd rather have him than the money we are offering, good for them
346 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:00:46
347 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:01:29
I think some of this is just premiership clubs being jealous of us and being dicks. Also the top 6 will be less receptive to us now we have designs on pinching their league placing. We are a threat to them now.
348 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:01:41
349 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:02:12
350 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:02:35
351 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:05:17
By the way, I think he would. He has shone, in a team where basically, he's been a one man band. Imagine how much better he might be, if he is sharing the burden with Richarlison, Bernard, and Kean!
352 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:06:05
353 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:06:41
I'd prefer Neres to Zaha, for what it's worth.
354 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:09:33
355 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:11:02
In other news, Praet off to Leicester for 20m, which is a bargain. They are building a very good side.
356 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:12:48
"Zaha is said to be fuming after club promised they would accept "reasonable offers" for him last summer. Now holding out for move to a European club"
I can see Zaha handing in a transfer request either today or early tomorrow morning to force through a transfer.
357 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:13:33
358 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:14:53
Not given up hope yet, but these latest reports are a little desperate.
359 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:20:39
Can play on both sides and down the middle. Seems great business to me.
360 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:21:19
361 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:21:34
362 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:24:10
80 odd million for Zaha is just reckless.
363 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:25:07
Fuck me he hasn't really kicked on at all for Arsenal and is a fringe player, 30m seems far too much. Are we just trying to force Palace's hand?
364 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:27:08
365 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:29:09
I think you're right. Klopp has raised concerns regarding our ambition and I'm loving it.
366 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:29:54
367 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:33:12
So we aren't ignored considering we are a just above mid table team recently.
The stadium, transfers so far, EitC (which has more PR value than many may think imho), coupled with an obviously better PR team seems to force their agenda.
The Prof in charge and Owner doing well. This is start of a great new age methinks.Link
368 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:34:08
It certainly appears desperate when considering who we've been after.
369 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:36:02
370 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:40:03
371 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:42:08
372 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:43:18
Take a close look at the goal and celebration at 5:20 in.
No club in the premier league is going to help strengthen us - we have become a threat.
373 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:43:45
374 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:44:02
375 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:48:16
Can't remember ever seeing him play, but we all say we want Brands to find talent that is under the radar is Iwobi that?
376 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:49:30
I'm surrounded by Arsenal fans and they laughed at me when we signed Walcott. The problems he had with the Arsenal fans we now have here. I trust there judgement.
Hatem Ben Arfa is available on a free, played out of his skin last year and would give Palace time to find a suitable replacement for Zaha.
Pissing Zaha off will only result in him throwing a tantrum, destabilizing the dressing room, playing substandard football and leaving for a reduced fee.
£100 Million is foolish (even for me). I'm expecting a transfer request today.
377 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:50:22
They won't have time to reinvest the money, so that has pushed the price evens further.
378 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:50:46
379 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:51:02
We will struggle to get anyone off a close rival (which Palace are not) for fear of bettering them, but with the pissed off vibe coming from the Zha camp, I can see this happening.
And (off topic) I fear that Saturday will be a typical first game anti-climax. Hope not as I'm going but not sure if we will see any of our newbies sadly.
380 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:51:13
381 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:52:54
382 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:57:28
383 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:58:55
384 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:59:34
Were saying that, were not going any higher for Zaha so well look elsewhere, Palace think “shit, weve turned down £70million and are going to be left with a player who wants to leave”, suddenly on Friday they come back to the table and say “go on then, well accept your bid”.
385 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:00:19
Why not bid 50 for Everton Cebolinha? The lad is class, the right position and we have 2 Brazilians already here to help him adapt.
386 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:01:22
387 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:01:28
388 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:07:05
Also, they're letting Joao Cancelo leave to join Man City and that makes no sense at all. They'll only have de Sciglio who could play right back. The club seem to have gone very short sighted and seem to be going for broke on winning the Champions League this coming season and have complete disregard for their future.
Moise Kean is the hottest prospect in Serie A, and one of the hottest in Europe. but he made it clear he must play every game, and other clubs were not in position to offer him what we could.
389 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:09:14
390 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:09:21
391 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:10:12
If they want £40m though I can't see it happening.
392 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:11:26
393 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:11:47
394 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:12:39
395 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:15:41
Buy from South America and Europe. Premier League players are over priced. Zaha would have made a massive difference to us and that is the calibre of player we should be aiming for. Not EPL squad players.
Its been an excellent window so far dont ruin it Everton.
396 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:15:42
Buy from South America and Europe. Premier League players are over priced. Zaha would have made a massive difference to us and that is the calibre of player we should be aiming for. Not EPL squad players.
Its been an excellent window so far dont ruin it Everton.
397 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:17:01
398 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:18:51
Also agree that Juve are going nuts in the pursuit of jam today, fuck tomorrow. I can't believe they let us buy Kean. Why not loan him out? If we managed to hold our nerve and insist on a sale with them, then I have no doubt that our negotiating team are much, much better than in the Koeman/Walsh era
399 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:18:55
400 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:20:33
Surprised we're not interested in Drinkwater on loan (as cover).
401 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:21:01
People saying that he has no end product well he's started 44 league games for Arsenal in the last two seasons and has been involved in 17 league goals ( 6 goals, 11 assists) and has a goal involvement every 3/4 games over his career. A better end product than Gomes or Bernard (both players that I do like by the way) he may not be such a bad option.
402 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:22:30
403 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:26:05
404 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:26:17
405 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:28:50
We don't need any more damp squibs.
406 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:29:25
407 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:30:19
I think we're actually seeing a bit of a market reset. Few years back the likes of Raoila pushed wages/fees up too much too quickly. Consequently, the likes of Lukaku, Neymar, Pogba and Coutinho are all in limbo now, demanding transfers but no one has the money or the will to even pay what they cost 2/3 years ago. In the same vein, we have been hamstrung by big contracts for the likes of Niasse, Bolasie and Schneiderlin. The reset hasn't taken full effect yet, hence Maguire. But, I think we're in the midst of it. I would hate to be the last joker holding the 100 million baby.
408 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:31:55
But not on Friday like someone mentioned because that would be a day late 🤔
409 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:37:22
410 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:37:27
Sam @ 402
The resale thing makes sense however I would hope that we are buying players for the long haul. We need a squad of players that are quality, settled and improving.
Richarlison appears happy here and I would hope that Kean will be to. As with Arteta and Cahill I would hope that they have their best years of football with us for most of their footballing careers.
411 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:41:44
Spot on with Richarlison, who is probably worth double.
As for Sig, I like him and we will see the best of him now he has a genuine striker to feed. But he wasn't value, £45 million was a very heavy fee for a 28 year old without a track record of being an absolutely top class player. We overpaid, big time.
412 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:43:06
If they rebuff the suitors willing to pay the most theyll have a player who wants out and will be pretty pissed. A depreciating asset and a very real chance they will get relegated this season.
Relegation would destroy his value, Zaha was an idiot to sign a fresh contract last summer.
Time to walk away and let them rot.
413 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:47:51
Still worth a punt.
414 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:49:44
415 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:55:14
416 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:55:55
I just don't get the constant criticism of Siggy on here it baffles me.
417 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:57:36
But it was (and still is) alot of money to pay for someone to come in whose value is only going to drop and is not obviously in your best 3 or so players (in my opinion). We overpaid for him by about £10-15m so i'm not sure he's a great example of good value.
418 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:02:14
419 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:11:59
I have no problem going heavy on the fee for a talented player under 25 or 26 years old (Zaha is at the very limit, btw). Even if it goes tits up, you make most of the money back. I just thought we got our pants pulled down a bit on the Sigurdsson deal, especially as we appeared to be the only club bidding and started at £25 million. Put it like this, I don't think Brands would have done the deal.
When rumours about Henry leaving Arsenal popped up, he was 28 years old and Barca were getting told £30 million. He did one more year, he was 29 when he left and he went for £18 million. Beyond 28 years old, an attacking player's value generally drops like a stone. The reason for that is the player isn't really going to get any better and is considered to have peaked.
Swansea City drilled us on that deal. We paid £45 million for a player who's now already 30. Dead money. I re-iterate, I like him, I think he's a very good footballer. But it was poor business by an over-promoted scout (Walsh) masquerading as a DoF.
420 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:13:54
Looks like we're going to go with a 4-4-3 in a lot of games this season. I reckon the defensive midfielder – or "positional" midfielder as Silva called him – will be filled by Gbamin and the two offensive midfield positions by Gomes and, if not Doucuoure, then Kessie or other. The backups being Schneiderlin for Gbamin and Delph and Davies for the two other postitions. In a 4-2-3-1, Sigurdsson would come in for one of the offensive midfielders.
421 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:14:29
422 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:18:26
One going as far as to say they would drive him to us themselves another saying they would take £10-15 Million. Anything above that is a miracle.
And this gem... "Sell useless Iwobi and sign Upamecano idiots @Arsenal."
Say's it all really.
423 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:22:18
424 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:26:25
Waiting late can sometimes see players' values drop but with Zaha I think it's pushing it up as they have no time to find replacements. And now we are slightly scrabbling for alternatives like yesteryear. We've waited all window for Zouma and now have two key positions to fill in the last day. Let's see what rabbit he has in his hat.
425 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:30:35
426 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:30:42
Wilfried Zaha has handed in a transfer request at Crystal Palace.
Everton have tried to sign Zaha but have seen a bid of £70m plus James McCarthy and Cenk Tosun rejected by Palace.
427 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:31:13
There's definitely some panic going on, but I'd suggest its not in the Blues transfer HQ.
428 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:33:09
429 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:33:24
Marcel will have a list of targets but there are many other influencing factors at work.
Similarly we will have been holding back on decisions involving players we wish to move on.
The days of Harry Catterick doing quiet deals in motorway service stations are long gone.
430 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:36:38
431 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:39:22
Getting zaha is for the here and now to improve our team.
Even if we lost £60m selling him on for 20m in 4years time we'd have had his best 4 years on paper.
Then wed make money off of other players to it balances it out.
Fed up of reading in here Everton going mad, if there is money to spend, spend it.
I want to be entertained for once as an Everton fan, see liverpool last couple seasons pains me because I hate to say it, are an incredible team, the football is usually entertaining. I want some of that being an Everton supporter. Forget the cost just sign sign sign, just not the shite we got 2017 season Ramirez, rooney, klassen all too slow!
I want to see us win the ball back in defence and smash teams on the counter with blistering pace and skill.
Cant wait for this season, I just hope we land zaha and he doesn't disappoint.
Zouma is a big loss but we can get by with what we've got there, I'd prefer not to sign Iwobi and Smalling just a waste of cash.
Wouldn't even want smalling playing if united was paying us to play him he is pure gash!
432 Posted 07/08/2019 at 17:04:15
If we don't get Zouma so be it. Tomori is a very good replacement and will surprise a few. We can pursue Zouma next time.
I want to be entertained. Just for one year let me decorate my life with all things Everton.
There aren't many Zaha types out there as we have found out today (Iwobi FFS). This is why his signing is important and potentially transformational to our style of play.
If there is money to be spent and trophies to be won I want us making the headlines.
433 Posted 07/08/2019 at 17:39:31
434 Posted 07/08/2019 at 17:46:42
And its also reported that Arsenal want £55 million for Iwobi.
Just getting stupid now.
I smell a rat though in all of this. If we buy Iwobi then Arsenal will just use that money to buy Zaha.
435 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:04:31
436 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:14:11
437 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:33:43
People slagging off Bernard and Siggy - did you go the game last season?) -get a grip of yourselves both were excellent and worked their bollocks off for the team. We need a centre half that is the priority.
438 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:38:08
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