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Zaha expects to join Everton by Thursday

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Everton's pursuit of Wilfried Zaha appears to be continuing as the transfer deadline approaches with The Independent reporting that a £65m deal could secure the winger from Crystal Palace.

The Blues have reportedly had an opening offer of around £50m turned down and the club felt moved to issue a public rejection of claims that they have submitted a follow-up bid that included striker Cenk Tosun and midfielder James McCarthy.

Zaha, who had originally had his heart set on a move to Arsenal before the Gunners paid a club-record fee for Nicholas Pepe a few days ago, still appears to want to leave Crystal Palace for a fresh challenge and in his report, Migeul Delaney says that the player expects a deal to be hammered out between the Eagles and Everton prior to Thursday.

Napoli have also been credited with interest in the 26-year-old but he is said to have been impressed by the standard of Everton's recruitment this month.

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Daniel A Johnson
1 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:02:24
I’d be over joyed if he came I really would. Imagine having Kean, Siggy, Richy and Zaha running at you !! If maguire is £80M then Zaha is easily worth £65M

Exciting times to be a blue.

Steve Ferns
2 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:06:35
it’d be one hell of a statement, but I’d feel better about it if we fill that Zouma sized hole (preferably with Zouma). That’s a must and a concern. But then again, it’s up to Brands not Walsh, and silva won’t piss off golfing if Zouma falls through.
Kevin Molloy
3 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:09:31
you would think one of the first team squad other than also rans will have to be sacrificed to push this deal through, Bernard maybe?
Joe Corgan
4 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:11:19
Given our spending on Gomes, Gbarmin and Keane it would be a real surprise for me if we still went and splashed out big-time on Zaha. Surely we'll need to keep a few quid in the coffers for a centre back which has to be our top priority right now.

We haven't recouped as much as I expect Brands and Silva would have wanted in terms of outgoing players.

We still have Bolasie, Besic, Martina, Onyekeru, Mirallas, Tosun and Niasse to get rid of. Decisions also need to be made on McCarthy and Schneiderlin if they haven't already. Perhaps we're banking on shifting of a few of those sooner rather than later.

Derek Knox
5 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:13:49
Well if this is truly going to happen, I'm amazed, not only the fee, unless other outgoings are going to sub-finance this, or as yet McCarthy, Tosun, Bolasie or another is included as make-weight in the deal.

There is no doubting he is a game-changing type of player, but my only reservation would be how often can he re-produce the form he is noted for?

Hope it happens, think if it does we will be a formidable opponent for any Prem side, who said 8th again?

Brian Wilkinson
6 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:14:29
What about Bolasie Kevin, nah doubt Palace would entertain that.

On a different matter what a disgrace Zenit fans were with the banner and postings protest in signing a Black player.

Looks like Malcolm will be departing sooner rather than later.

Kunal Desai
7 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:18:00
Can we not get Lozano if we are looking to spend that sort of doe.
Dave Williams
8 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:18:10
Joe- assuming Onyekuru goes we will be considerably in credit in our dealings so far.
Steve- Id be interested in your views on Mina who I think could turn out to be a tremendous player for us
Danny Broderick
9 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:19:05
Not sure we need Zaha. He is a hell of a player, but i’m not sure he provides enough end product for all his fancy footwork - I think he only got 5 assists last season...

I can’t see us spending another £65 million on top of what we have already spent...

Bill Gienapp
10 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:20:02
It's a pretty steep price (though as Daniel (1) says, if Maguire costs 80-million, what do these fees even mean? It's basically Monopoly money at this point), but it's hard not to get excited by the possibilities of an attack spearheaded by Zaha, Kean and Richarlison.
Colin Glassar
11 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:20:59
Joe 4, surely we can get around £60m for that lot?
Steve Ferns
12 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:21:29
I agree Dave. He was fantastic in the world cup with 3 goals, questin is can he play like this consistently. I think so but we've seen little to convince the doubters. He is not slow, but is lacking over 10 yards. And so I think he needs the pace of Zouma alongside him. For me it is Zouma and Mina or Keane. So we need a Zouma.

Dave, we will also get rid of Schniederlin on loan (£5m a year wages paid), McCarthy (£5m transfer fee and about half again in saved wages), Bolasie will net us around £5m in saved wages, couple of others might leave.

Could it not be that Moshiri is really happy with how things are going and so wants to roll the dice? Personally guaranteeing the finances if things don't work out. I expect they'll so their sums to make us FFP compliant. This doesn't require us to balance the books, it just means we need to limit net spend and I think we have done so, and maybe we can afford Zaha?

Also on FFP, if we are £5m or so short, BK could always "find" the "Arteta money" down the back of his couch!

Tony Abrahams
13 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:21:44
If this happens I expect McCarthy, and either Tosun or (Bolasie to appease the Palace fans) going the other way.

Big “IF” but if it happens, we’ve replaced the invisible siphoning man, with the invisible benefactor, of that I’m sure?

Mark Tanton
14 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:27:54
Although this move doesn’t make a huge amount of sense in my opinion it’s exciting and it won’t go away. I do expect us to see us trying to get this over the line on Thursday, and being one of the busier clubs in general, in and out.
Gavin Wadeson
15 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:28:28
We are really lucky that FFP has prevented Arsenal from buying Zaha.

You've got to take your opportunities when they come along, and this is a golden opportunity for Everton.

Derek Knox
16 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:29:16
Kunal, I like Lozano too, and no doubt Brands knows what the situation is better than we do, but what I would say in Zaha's favour, he has proved to be able to perform in the Prem consistently (possible exception when he went to Manure).

On his day he is definitely a class act, and I have gone past the stage of worrying about fees etc, (why should I/we worry when those who are in the know don't seem to?) it's just as I mentioned before how often are those days?

It's going to be an exciting few days until the window slams shut!

Remember, although it slams shut for incomings, we can still offload to the Continent or Scotland!

Dan Nulty
17 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:30:40
I genuinely can't see this happening. I want it to but can't get my head around it. Doesn't feel like the bang average signing and expectations I have gotten used to over the last 30 years.

If, IF this comes off I may start to believe that the stadium is serious too and Moshiri is actually what we needed.

Do you know what I do love is all the signings talking about our history. It is almost like they are given a dossier of our history and a plan for how they fit in to get us back to that level. Maybe my rose tinted glasses are clouding things a little but it is the first time I have blown the dust off them since the first few games of Martinez' second season.

I would expect a lot of the dead wood to be moved on or loaned out cheaply on Thursday if this deal does happen.

Raymond Fox
18 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:31:02
Tony 13, like you I sense the Russian is in the mix out of sight somewhere!
Colin Glassar
19 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:31:26
I still don’t know why we didn’t go after him instead of Bolasie.

The damage Walsh and Koeman wrought will still take a few years to fix imo.

Jay Woods
20 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:32:56
I thought he was a tremendously improved player last season and would flourish in a better side than Palace, so I would be thrilled if he joined us. But as others have rightly said, the central defence needs tightened up and for me that's an even greater priority than another winger. Then again, can't we have both?
Kieran Kinsella
21 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:37:20
To me the whole thing seems weird. We had a bid rejected then publicly stated it was the end of the matter. After the Silva tapping up fiasco, I assumed we made that statement in case Zaha started agitating for a move so we could say "it is not our fault." If as the Independent suggest he is now agitating for a move, will Palace play the tap up card?
Mike Gaynes
22 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:37:22
Wow, wow, wow. Is this still Everton?

Miguel Delaney is a reliable reporter. If he says it, I buy it.

Derek#16 and Kunal #7, I've been boosting Lozano for years on these pages, since he was still playing in Mexico, and I would LOVE to have him. Wish we'd gone in for him before the World Cup. But money alone won't get Chucky. He wants only a Champions League club, and that's gonna be Napoli for €40m.

Daniel A Johnson
23 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:38:33
Unless Zouma comes in also let’s expect a few high scoring defeats hey?
Derek Knox
24 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:39:09
Jay, "More, more, boy and both? Of course you can" recanted a philanthropic Mr Bumble!
Dermot Byrne
25 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:42:38
To be frank, I have no idea if this guy will add to us. Little idea of player's ability if they don't play for us, RS or Citeh. Sad I know.

My gut says defence but strangely in pre-season we didn't let in many and just couldn't score.

In the end, time to judge will be probably mid Sept.

Though of course if we don't win at weekend we will want the whole friggin' lot sacked!

John Pierce
26 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:43:55
The chances increase every day. I’m unsure but after Zaha’s declaration he wanted to leave has he even trained with Palace? It also seems we are the only club, potentially Napoli, interested in him.

I think with the players mind potentially set on leaving, having given Palace good service we may get a better deal the last longer we leave it. We might pay a higher price but get to structure it over a longer time, for example. It feels like this deal is tipping in our favour.

On the other side there are good indicators that he spends a lot of time with his son 4 days a week, in London. Which he’d prefer to stay.
So how badly does he want to leave?

Kieran Kinsella
27 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:49:04
Bizarre wording from the Independent.

"It is understood the Selhurst Park hierarchy will accept a bid of £65m so long as the money is up front. Although no fee is yet agreed, sources maintain Everton are willing to submit such a bid but are still working on the structure of any such offer."

So Palace want 65 million upfront, Everton are working on making such a bid. . . but are working on the structure. If it is upfront it is upfront, why would there be a structure? Or is it like "OK charge 40 million to my Barclay car, here is 20 million in cash, and Bill is going write a check from the "Arteta money" account for the difference."

Jimmy Hogan
28 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:50:28
What is this about the RS being interested in Zaha? Is that just paper talk?

The window closes at 17.00 on Thursday. I'm sure Brands knows he needs to sign a central defender as a priority and I'm convinced that, looking at last season's successful window, he is better at his job than any of us would be, so I'm pretty relaxed and excited to see what happens before 17.00 on Thursday.

Michael Lynch
29 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:50:53
I'm in two minds about this one - on the one hand, SIGN HIM!!!, and on the other hand, has he reached his peak at Palace, a big fish in a small pond? We pushed the boat out to buy Siggi, someone who hadn't made it at Spurs but shone in a shit side at Swansea and, to be honest, I'm not convinced he's been worth it. I like the model of signing players who have potential for added value because of their age or because they've been in a different league and gone slightly under the radar. This is one of those "ready-made" player transfers that always seem to disappoint a little bit.
Steve Ferns
30 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:51:06
JP, he was very curiously "training" in what looked like the bottom of his garden wearing a Man Utd away shirt! Make of that what you will. It was posted yesterday. It's surmised that he got the shirt last time he played Man Utd when he swapped with his international teammate Eric Bailly and so it may be more about his mate than the shirt, but wearing another team's shirt is disrespect to your current employers when they come from the same league, and you're rumoured to want to leave, surely? He captioned it "some things never change" and a heart symbol.
David Pearl
31 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:51:43
Sky just had an interview with Roy Hodgson and he mentioned Dixie Dean in relation to everyone having a price. Pretty sure that’s a big hint that we are still in for him. If we don’t get anyone else in I’d be happy... but if we do get another 3 players in then league look out!
Steve Ferns
32 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:52:42
Neil Copeland
33 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:55:02
I can’t see Palace letting him go unless they have a replacement lined up so Bolasie would seem the obvious sweetener with possibly McCarthy thrown in to clinch it.

Although I do like Zaha I have expressed concerns about him in another thread based upon his spell at United. However, whenever I have seen him play he has looked good so perhaps he had put that behind him and become a better player for it.

He actually looks good value when looking at some other fees.

Paul Smith
34 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:59:04
Now this is a transfer to get excited about, please be true!

Off to a festival in Newquay for a week make it happen while I'm away, Marcel.

Alex Fox
35 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:01:48
He’s an excellent player, and you can never have enough of those.

Should be a busy next few days for Brands. By my reckoning we have a 28 man squad, so will need to shift at least 3 by Thursday - and more if there are further incomings - in order to not exceed the squad quota.

Chris Gould
36 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:05:22
I think this would be a fantastic signing. In fact, I believe that if Zouma returns, and we get Zaha plus a right back capable of challenging and potentially dislodging Coleman, then we will break top 6 and push for top 4.
Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:06:42
Not convinced. We have bought wingers in the past, Ian Wilson, John Oster.
Steve Ferns
38 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:07:56
John Oster! Oh the bad memories!
Stewart Lowe
39 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:08:09
We have spent too many years worrying about sell on fees that its inbred into our psyche to think that way
Hugh Jenkins
40 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:10:17
Tony (13) - Raymond (18) - It's beginning to look like it - and I'm sure there is nothing he would like better - now - than to put one over on Arsenal.
Matthew Clarke
41 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:10:38
Steve, I'm not quite sure how playing football in your back garden wearing the shirt of your team mate who's just been injured as disrespectful to your current employers? Different if he was parading down the high street wearing it saying, "I'm off at the first chance" to all and sundry, that would be disrespectful. Correct me if I'm wrong but the lad has kept his counsel throughout which would show more respect than not.

As for the heart reference, maybe it's reference to having a kick about in the back yard with his old man?

andy walker
42 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:12:10
Kieran (37) nearly EVERY winger we have had we've bought, I raise you Johnny Morrisey, Tricky Trev and one Andre Kanchelskis.
Steve Ferns
43 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:14:41
Matthew if Lukaku has done this in his garden, wearing say Eden Hazards Chelsea shirt, he’d have got dogs abuse.
Kieran Kinsella
44 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:14:51
Heart could also be a reference to the band whose lead singer is Ann Wilson -- distant relative of Ian Wilson. So "some things never change" is his way of saying he will be as good for Everton as Ian Wilson was.
Daniel A Johnson
45 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:15:02
Zouma & Zaha = top 4 push

Although I expect fat frank to hold onto Zouma just because he knows it weakens us and he needs all the help he can get in the league

Martin Berry
46 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:15:11
Get in the queue Wilf, everyone wants to join Everton !
Neil Copeland
47 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:18:27
Andy#42 and Kieran #37, Dave Thomas, Anders Limpar and Steven Pienaar
Brian Wilkinson
48 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:25:36
How about Preki for your list Kieran.
Neil Copeland
49 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:26:02
Roy is saying that Palace need 4 players by Thursday, we could sort that for him in one go!
Matthew Clarke
50 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:27:36
Maybe Steve but Lukaku was/is a different character to Zaha on the outside looking in, Lukaku was always angling for a move on international duty and had riled the fan base non stop because of it.
I haven't seen any Palace fans kicking off about it on twitter.
Pat Kelly
51 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:31:06
Aw, are we not getting the prolific Mbaye Diagne ?
Terry Farrell
52 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:32:38
Zaha is an amazing talent and I should be chuffed but something about his attitude tells me he wont fit in our team. Too much 'all about him'. Just a gut feel. Also chuffed we didn't get malcolm a one trick pony. Cant believe the rumours re Phil Jones. Surely Silva saw enough of him at goodison to see he is crap and injury prone.
John Pierce
53 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:33:36
Steve I saw that on S.M. Yep deffo weird.

So despite a canny operating DoF to do a good deal, question marks around Zaha’s attitude, team play and ethic without the ball remain for me.

For a player with such ability why are there no other bidders? A statement yes, but compare him to Richarlison’s ethic and attitude?

What it does say to me is that we really think we can get at the top six. With money likely to be restricted whilst the stadium build is ongoing this feels like one last effort to break the cabal.

Len Hawkins
54 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:35:43
John Oster wasn't he hailed by HK as the new Giggs, perhaps his sister in law is a bit of a doll.
Joe McMahon
55 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:36:00
Kieran, don't forget the underated Anders Limpar.
Kieran Kinsella
56 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:37:16
Andy 42, Neil 47

I was being facetious but since we've started. Blomqvist, Ginola, Alexandersson, Beagrie (2nd spell), Gueye (not Idrissa the other one), and yes Brian 48 definitely Preki

Derek Knox
57 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:38:28
Neil @ 49, agreed but we'd have to be careful there, depending which combination we sent (4 players) they could have us under The Trade Descriptions Act! :-)
Paul Birmingham
58 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:39:16
How true is this, time will prove.

We need to clinch a deal for Kurt or his equivalent, in defence, as we need a strong defence, as priority.

Tom Bowers
59 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:39:38
Can't keep up with all these rumours !
What next--Messi on loan for a season ?
Mouth beginning to water with all the expectancy but then what else is new at this time of the year.
Paul Hewitt
60 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:39:52
How about a bid for Malcolm. I'm sure he wouldn't turn us down this time.
Neil Copeland
61 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:41:12
Kieran #56, yes I know but too good an opportunity
Joe #55, keep up mate we’ve already had Limpar

How about JohnConnolly?

Neil Copeland
62 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:44:28
Derek #57, ha ha, that could apply to quite a few combinations we can offer
Steve Ferns
63 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:44:35
Tom, we have never had a Brands before now, though.
Denis Richardson
64 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:48:29
Now we have Kean, sod it, pay whatever they want for Zaha.

Kean, Rich, Sigurdsson, Zaha up front - we finally have a front line with tons of PACE! Exactly what defenders hate.

Let Sigurdsson pick out the passes as the other three make runs all over the place. Add in Digne and Coleman from the flanks and we finally have goal threats from all over the park.

Batman and Gomes to martial the play from the middle and screen the defence. Only weakness is lack of pace at CB however with that front line, who cares!

With Kean coming in, haven’t been this excited for the KO for ages. (Only 19 I know, can’t expect too much I know.)

Derek Knox
65 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:50:28
Paul H, he'll be begging us to take him in January, you'd think either he, or his agent would have been aware there was a racist element amongst the (Bolshevik) Zenit fans!
Kieran Kinsella
66 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:50:42
Len 54

Hahaha good one

John Mckay
67 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:52:35
FFS just buy him, who cares about how much he costs, or if there is a sell on fee or if he has hit his peak?
He's better than what we've got, he tore us a new one last year and cant remember the results but itll be 1 less palace player to worry about. If they didn't have zaha we might have finished in a higher position last season!

I thought on the other post that a deal was done for zaha 55m and JM and Cenk going the other way, and it got dismissed by Everton and CP have told us to keep it hush hush so they can get other players in without getting ripped off.

It makes sense to me, zaha liking Kean on Instagram and stuff. Bid that was on sky sports then quashed by Everton.

Hodgson saying he knows nothing because he only knows what he reads in paper.

CP offering us £8m for mccarthy then nothing since.

Just smells fishy to me. think something is in the pipeline.

Kieran Kinsella
68 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:53:00
I don't want Malcom to join Everton but how appalling that in this day and age a player is treated that way by so-called "fans." So much for "Kick it out" seems to extend only to Millwall FC and even then it is hit and miss.
Jamie Crowley
69 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:53:14
This deal makes sense for both Clubs.

We get an overpriced, yet extremely talented player who will fit our system and score goals. Everton are looking to gatecrash the top clubs, and a player like Zaha will go a long way in attempting to make the near-impossible reality.

Palace will receive needed money, and I'd bet in the end McCarthy and Cenk.

McCarthy, if he can stay healthy and I certainly hope he can, is a beast in midfield. A ball winner who will fit into the keep your shape, old school football of Roy Hodgson.

Palace also would get Tosun, who I think there's a player in there, somewhere. I really believe he just doesn't fit in Silva's system, but would bang in 12 to 15 for Palace. He's not a bad player. He's in a system that simply does not, in any way, fit his strengths. Palace would have a very serviceable striker who has an excellent attitude and would play very hard for Hodgson in my opinion.

The demand by Palace to have 65 million up front is laughable. No other team in world football would cough up money like that in one fell swoop. Deals aren't really structured that way (from all I've read), and honestly that's probably about 13% down on a new stadium! If we cough up that much dough for a player (one-shot liquidity), I think it'd be better spent with a bank to secure financing for BMD!

All that being said, I think this is going to happen.

Why it still can't make the TW transfer meter on the home page is a mystery, so people who know this game much better than I and have been around much longer, clearly think it's a pipe dream.

Derek Knox
70 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:54:36
Len and Kieran, if memory serves, didn't he get 'charged' (John Oster) with firing and hitting an Air Rifle at someone? In the Grimsby area.
Kieran Kinsella
71 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:06:56
Derek

Seemingly so. I always thought he couldn't shoot but apparently he shot a teammate in the face thus ending his career. Also arrested for a nightclub brawl, and "groping" a girl despite being married. I guess that latter has hints of Giggsy though the Weslhman sort consensual encounters at least.

Jamie Crowley
72 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:07:10
John @67 -

That "statement by Everton" could never, in the end, be attributed to Everton. It was tweeted out by a reporter - Chris Bascombe - as an "official statement from Everton".

BUT!

Everton never once backed that assertion, and there was nothing on the official site or EFC's Twitter to corroborate the assertion that we'd backed out of an offer.

Some people said it "sounded official", but frankly, just because it sounds official, doesn't mean it's official.

My guess is that statement was planted by Everton to remove the heat and attention, stopping bigger clubs from poaching Zaha, while we negotiated with Palace.

But I also believe in unicorns and UFOs, think Donald Trump is a feminist plant to make men look evil, think America's own government orchestrated 9-11 to justify military action in Iraq, and Brexit is the beginning of England turning into a Handmaid's Tale Totalitarian society. Conspiracy theories are all true!

That last paragraph is utter bullshit, and not a word of it true, for the record. It's a joke.

But this Zaha thing has legs in the real world!

Mike Gaynes
73 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:10:38
Jamie, you're Elvis, aren't ya?
Philip Bunting
74 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:12:44
John Oyster his first 3 to 4 games had me drooling. I was convinced we had a George Best. only the wheels fell off somewhere, a bit like George. Lol
David Pearl
75 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:18:38
I'm a bit suspicious of these rumours. So we are going to pay 65m for Zaha? Is this in addition to Jesus Dacoure the French left back, the striker from Turkey AND Zouma?

I mean, I'm not complaining. But it doesn't feel normal. Just waiting for Carragher to tweet that non of them would get into the redshite team. Just to bring me back down a bit...

Jamie Crowley
76 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:19:07
I've been know to take quaaludes and sing gospel into the wee hours, Mike.

Maybe?

Pat Kelly
77 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:22:05
It'll be strange seeing Tosun up front for Palace and Zaha up front for us on Saturday.
David Pearl
78 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:26:40
Jamie,
my daughter is now out of her unicorn stage. You're welcome to anything you'd like. We have hair chalks, a blow up swimming pool thing and some night lights. Or do you say nite lites? Whatever, just say the word.
Don Alexander
79 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:38:32
I remember John O (Phil #74) and I agree that his demise was indeed fishy.
Albert Perkins
80 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:53:16
If he gets here Zaha will have to be double marked, and Kean might also have to be and then there is Richie. A lot of scary forwards to keep track of. Zaha wins a lot of pens as he slaloms through the penalty area, and with VAR we could do quite well. Please let it be true. I keep saying that it's all coming true. Hope I don't wake up to Niasse getting a long term contract and the rest has been a dream.
Nathan Snell
81 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:01:24
Nice touch from Brands https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1301250/marcels-message-to-moises-mum
James Stewart
82 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:01:59
We haven't really net spent at all really so there will be money there to do a deal like this.

I have to say after the last game I think we need him. We need more of a goal threat and a front 3 of Zaha/Kean/Richarlison is vastly better than the likes of Walcott, DCL, Tosun etc up top.

Pat Kelly
83 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:03:21
Reiner still being linked to join Everton in January !
James Marshall
84 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:14:04
We'll be a right handful with Zaha in the team. Seriously, even if we don't sign a centre half (which I think we should) we still have Mina & Keane as our first choice pairing. Mina is a bit of an unknown quantity in some ways but he needs to play.

Zaha, Kean, Richarlison, Sigurdsson, Gomes, Delph as our midfield/front 3 looks decent to me.

David Pearl
85 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:16:47
Lots of players Pat. This may be the revolution (or evolution).we hoped for when Moshiri first took over.
Jerome Shields
86 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:24:03
Always thought this deal would not happen. But Everton need a finisher as the pre season has shown and a deal involving Tosun or Mc Carthy or both going the other way makes sense. But the £65m transfer fee no way.
Chris Hockenhull
87 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:24:47
BTW went on a Palace fan site today to get an opposite feel for their views for Saturday...most dreading it already. Go Blues Go..were starting to shake things up a bit.. wish we were opening up at A field Saturday..what an opportunity that could have been Also.. btw.. when you thought that knob Henderson couldn't make a bigger test of his so called hard man image he showers himself in day by day..what a dope he made of himself at Wembley yesterday..whilst not even on the pitch!!!.No mention if course on TalkShite💩
Jamie Crowley
88 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:35:21
Zaha has been added to the TW Rumor Tracker.

Surely this happens now!

andy walker
89 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:35:27
Chris (87), what did Henderson do? Can't find anything on Google.
Si Smith
90 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:37:43
Surely we can scrape £20m+ from the sale of the likes of Schneiderlin, McCarthy, and Besic who we don't need now due to signing a few new centre midfielders.

Also we wouldn't need Walcott if we signed Zaha, so he's good for £10m.

Surely we will get £25m min just by off loading Walcott and Schneiderlin who could easily be sold.

Then of course we can offer maybe 2 from Bolasie, Tosun, Niasse, Martina, Miralas, and so on to save us £15/20m off the Zaha fee.

That bit of wheeling and dealing can push our outlay down to £25m which I'm sure Mr Moshiri would give Marcel the man if he asked for it !

Not impossible to see this deal, but a lot of moving parts to get it over the line.

Jim Potter
91 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:48:33
If we sign him, then we can afford him.

If we can afford him, buy him.

I want to be excited. And all this is exciting!!!

COYB.

Mike Doyle
92 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:48:48
Alan Myers saying on his latest podcast that he would not be surprised to see EFC make another really big signing signing before the window closes on Thursday.
Si Smith
93 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:50:56
Also with Zaha in the frame I'd be happy to miss out on Zouma for now and just go for it.

Some may call it Kamikaze, I myself call it exciting.

Wait til January, sell anyone else who's not playing and see how Zouma is getting on at Chelsea then. If hes not playing we will hold all the cards, his fee will go down and he will demand a move to make it into France euro squad.

Keane with Mina, Holgate and Feeney and Gibson as 4th/5th choice, not to mention the new lad who's supposed to be able to play centre half, the way I see it, if we took Zaha to play with Richalison and Kean, with Siggy behind them, backed up by Bernard and DCL, we will definitely be entertaining and score goals for fun.

Hugh Jenkins
94 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:53:34
Kieran (71) - We Welshmen alway seek consent before we grope anyone - but not necessarily from the person being groped - LOL.
Tom Bowers
95 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:58:06
Henderson is just a snot-nosed boot-licker of Southgates.
Jamie Crowley
96 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:01:18
Si @ 93 -

From your mouth to God's ears!

I said that exact same thing about 1.5 to 2 weeks ago, there or thereabouts.

I do not think we're going to sign Zouma, or a replacement. If we get Zaha, we will be deadly up top. We will also leak goals.

There's no getting around it. But we need to give Marcel and Mosh time to get it ALL in place. This is just one window on a journey.

I think we're in for a tilt your head back, yell FUCK IT, and toss the kitchen sink at everyone we play.

It'll be frustrating, conceding more often than we'd like. But my God it's going to be fun watching us attack.

Simon Dalzell
97 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:04:57
Please let this happen. £65m is fair enough. This would really be a game changer. It would be especially sweet after thinking the deal was dead.
Jim Scales
98 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:06:25
Jamie @ 72. That made my night mate, I've genuinely not laughed out loud recently reading Toffeweb.
Faul is Paul.
Cheers Mate.
Neil Copeland
99 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:13:58
James #84, even better when we have Gbamin in the mix also, particularly when he can play CB or midfield.

Steve Ferns
100 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:37:22
Jamie if it comes down to it, better to have a Zouma sized hole than a Lukaku sized hole. It's easier to keep them out than stick them away.
Si Smith
101 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:45:45
Exactly Jamie, we all pay to be entertained, with a deadly attack we will be.

Transfer windows come thick an fast, look Leicester title winning side, the red shite under Rodgers when they finished 2nd, just attack attack attack, Newcastle under Keegan was the same, at least we get to see what every fan wants to see, once we have the attack in place we will find defenders next time.

Holgate, Gibson and Feeney will all be a season further along, Zouma maybe available due to Chelsea having a ban lifted, or we might spot our very own Miguire or Van Dyke with Marcel on the lookout.

As far as I'm concerned, let's just try an blow them all away.

Chris Hockenhull
102 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:51:56
Off tangent..bur Mr Moderators..how come so may 'jump to comments" line don't work no more??? Great it be fixed for new season. Thanks
Gavin Johnson
103 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:08:42
I'd be interested on whether people would prefer Zaha or Zouma? Because realistically we're only going to sign one of them. Chelsea know they've got us over a barrel on Zouma. Based on United overpaying on Maguire, Chelsea are going to make us pay £40-50m.


I think I'd prefer Zaha, and bring in a loan CB as well as keeping Holgate.

Simon Dalzell
104 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:09:20
BBC now saying it's a £100m package, including the previously rumoured Tosun, McCarthy inclusions.
Kase Chow
105 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:10:30
Would LOVE this to happen!
Jamie Crowley
106 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:11:55
We hit 72 points with a swiss-cheese defense under Martinez, Steve.

I concur.

Besides, after Big Sam, I'm 100% up for a circus-like, blitzkrieg-style-offense, score like crazy season again. Seriously, we're not tipped to finish anywhere other than 7th, aside from some folks trying to sell pages / clicks and "shock-valuing" the horde, saying we might finish top 4.

If we're going to finish 7th, let's have a whale of a time doing it. 5-4 suits me just fine.

Somewhere Joe Clitherow is getting ready to cold-clock my ass into next week. ;0)

I would love it if we busted the Top 4 glass ceiling with a scatter-gun, gun slinger approach, and just go out and score more than anyone else.

That never, ever works in any sport. But if we have to wait a bit to sign our own version of Virgil Van Dyke, fine. I'll wait. Entertain me on the ride. It'll give me hope.

Jamie Crowley
107 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:13:35
Si I just saw your submission.

If I ever get over there, I'll look you up. I think we should watch a game together. We're seeing things through the same prism.

Simon Dalzell
108 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:15:31
Gavin #103. Good shout. Agreed.
Stephen Davies
109 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:15:53
Simon #104
Its a BBC newspapers review.
Its the Sun thats reporting it
Jamie Crowley
110 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:22:43
Gavin @ 103 -

Zaha for me.

If we were trying to make the leap from Top 4 Club to legitimate Title contenders, I'd say sign the defender.

We're trying to break the top 4. Goals are precious, and the bar isn't as high. you can leak goals and still finish on 70+ points, which could be good enough for top 4.

Because of that, Zaha before Zouma for me.

Bill Gienapp
111 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:42:10
Gavin (103) - Zaha for me as well, though I seem to rate Mina a lot higher than most. He'll take some lumps along the way, but I honestly think he has the potential to be our answer to VVD.
Jack Convery
112 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:57:56
Did anyone mention Terry Curran ????
Ed Fitzgerald
113 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:03:15
I would much rather spend 40 million on Zouma than buy Zaha for a deal that equates to 65, 80 or 100 million dependent on what rag you look at.. According to the premier league website he has scored 32 goals in 177 appearances with 21 assists. I see Gylfi is getting a bit of stick on this thread in comparison he has scored 59 goals in 249 appearances and has 42 assists plus he worked his nuts off for us last season, work rate is not something associated with Zaha.

This strikes me as some kind of marquee signing required by Moshiri rather than a Brands purchase.

Andrew Keatley
114 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:04:31
I’ve said this on previous threads but I really think Zaha is the player - and this was when we were linked with Pepe, Malcom, and Neres - most likely to bring goals to our team. I think it is the right move for him, and he will want to prove the doubters wrong and show himself to be a major player at a major club after his misadventures at Man Utd came too early in his career for him to capitalise on the opportunity.

While he might have the occasional bout of petulance, and has not always converted chances into goals, he is the best dribbler in the Premier League - and if he does come here then I think he can be the player who elevates us an attacking side from day one. I think he’s the best signing we can make (within reason) and that he’ll bring real flare and adventure to the team. Fingers crossed.

Simon Dalzell
115 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:11:42
Stephen #109. Thank you for that. My mistake, but
surely if it's in the old ' currant ' it must be close to being the Babe Ruth !!!
Paul Johnson
116 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:28:39
Jamie Crowley. there maybe a thousand miles between us but we come from the same family. There is nothing wrong with eternal optimism. Shit it is part of our DNA. Sign him up, Zouma and Dacoure then bring it on. I am giggling like a ten year old who has farted in a play suit. If it happens I predict top four. Zaha is edge of your seat and I for one am seriously excited.
I know that could all be blown out of the water by Thursday 5pm but tell me right now a better team to be support right now. COYB
Jer Kiernan
117 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:29:00
If we land Zaha and Kurt by Thurs its the most confident I would feel that we have a side that can actually challenge for things since the mid 80s ;)
Derek Thomas
118 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:36:47
Buying electric forwards and not Zouma? If that's the way its going to be, well fuck it, lets go all out Keegan / Newcastle...even if it ends the same way. It would just be another in a long line of Everton That. But it would be miles better than all the 8ths and 11ths and Allardyce.

We can even re-issue our Kinks and Manfred Mann chants...'Oooh the Everton attack, yes, yes, yes its the Everton Attack'...'Come all without, come all within, you ain't seen nothing like The Mighty Everton'

Soren Moyer
119 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:37:58
Oh and let's not forget: we will get a share of Lukaku sale to Inter or Juve.
Mark Cranney
120 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:49:28
Wow, wow, wow. I can't believe the players that Marcel Brands is not only getting them to think about coming to us, but in fact they actually sign! Oh happy days!!!I was on the fence with Zaha until our kid started breaking it down in figures on goals, assists and even penalties won and this could be a good 25+ extra goals a season and goals is what we really need. I can't wait to possibly see the results when we start firing on all cylinders.
Harry Hockley
121 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:56:01
Get him to Goodison, great player and he wants to join. At first, I thought "Forget him as his first choice was Arsenal" but I can't help wanting to see him alongside Kean and Richarlison, that would be electric.

Zaha and Kean started following each other on Instagram last week, which was a signal to me that Wilf wants to play with him. Kean has bags of appeal about him; this signing will be the first of many big signings in the future.

Jay Harris
122 Posted 06/08/2019 at 01:57:57
Arsenal have had goals and a leaky defence for years and it didnt do them a lot of good.

There are games when you have to get a lucky 1-0 win and you can only do that with a solid defence.

Zouma every time for me but I wouldnt say no to either unless Zaha's fee gets to silly money.

Jamie Crowley
123 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:09:54
Totally disagree Jay. Didn't do Arsenal a lot of good??

Arsenal did have goals and a leaky defense for years.

But up until about two years ago, they constantly, year on year, made top 4 and CL.

I'll take that, thank you very much! It ensured Arsenal making Champions League for like a decade!

Oh for the terrible, hard, awful times where we bitch incessantly about how we seemingly can't win the league, and we're pissed we finished 4th again. Bring that shit on, like now, Jay!

Mike Gaynes
124 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:41:48
Zaha before Zouma for me too (not that I have ever considered it possible Zouma would return).

Admittedly biased by my high regard for Mina, and also by the sheer excitement factor of Zaha. An attack of Zaha, Richarlison and Kean would -- in time -- give us something I have never seen at Everton before.

For the Zouma hopers, I say again as I have said since the day Rudiger was injured, that there is no chance it will happen.

And if I'm wrong, I will happily wear the egg on my face.

Si Smith
125 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:54:00
Again I have to agree with you Jamie, for me Arsen Wengers Arsenal side have always been great to watch, they can be 3-0 up or down and you still don't k ow how it's going to go, as a neutral that's entertaining.

As a blue it might not feel as good, that said Wenger let himself down as he forgot what actually brought him that initial success. Yes he was always attacking, but he done it with a brutish defence and centre midfield for the first half of his reign, he had Adam's and Keown, then Sol Campbell and Gallas. He used midfielders like Petite and Viera or Edu and Giberto Silva, only later on when he tried to go all Barcelona did he start to fail. Imo he had a good idea, it's working now for Pep at city, he just simply didnt have the £40m per player to do it. He had too many kids mixed in with his big hitters, hence Henry leaving along with Van Persie because they got sick of carrying the kids. Pep does a similar thing but he has £50m defenders for every slot, along with an amazing defensive midfield and a world class goalkeeper.

I'd take an average Wenger season all day long because as I remember he averaged a top four finish and usually a cup (F.A cup 7 times) playing his attacking brand, I'd buy my 2020/21 season ticket with a great big smile on my face if we finished 2019/20 with the above.

Si Smith
126 Posted 06/08/2019 at 02:54:59
Oh an agreed Jamie, if you get over for the game we will have to meet up 👍👍⚽️⚽️
John Mckay
127 Posted 06/08/2019 at 04:17:28
Wow £100m package put together, be interesting to see if that's true.

Makes getting up at 4am for work that little bit easier!

Said it on another post and said it on this thread post 67 on here that I thought this smelt a bit fishy the way it went dead but all the signs was there.

Hope we get him, I think with this new stadium design coming out moshiri has thought now is the time to try and do what city done when that thai fella bought the club and try kick on, maybe not the best players but the second tier of best players and then try and move forwards.

An electric attack now if we can get this over the line, haven't looked forward to a new season like this for a very long time.

Mike Kehoe
128 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:06:24
Money seems mad and I no longer trust my judgement. When koeman bought Bolasie I thought he was better than Zaha, last season he was good but imo not 100 million good. This looks like statement of intent and throwing in Tosun and Mcarthy is good business. I have faith in brands.
Alan J Thompson
129 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:30:40
If it does go through we will then need to find someone to successfully convert all those penalties.

Oh, and Bob the Pole.

Brian Porter
130 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:33:10
Brian #6, you make a good point about the Zenit supporters and their racist banner relating to the club signing Malcom. With the level of racism in Russia, I honestly don't understand why black players continue to go there, just to be vilified by their own so-called supporters.

Is it just a money thing? If so, I don't have much sympathy with them. Or, in Malcom's case, was he totally ignorant of the Russian game? He must surely have been aware of the interest from us and others too... And I think he's in for a shock when the St Petersburg winter comes along. Not quite like the Copacabana, Malcom old lad.

Daniel A Johnson
131 Posted 06/08/2019 at 06:45:39
Love the way Sky Sports News are refusing to even mention us or this potential transfer.

Sky bias confirmed again

David Price
132 Posted 06/08/2019 at 07:15:45
This is the most exciting of times for Everton fans and I for one am enjoying every minute. Doesn't it feel great to be coming to an end of a transfer window with the prospect of another couple of quality signings rather than scraping together a loan deal for a player just to get him off another team's wage bill.

Yes, £100M seems like a lot of money. I reckon we will get that back in shirt sales. I haven't bought a top in years but when, and if, Wilf is announced, I'm online to get one just to wind up all the other Premier League supporters who have doubted the Everton board's resolve in making us one of the greatest clubs in the world.

I hope those across the park are taking note; I can't wait for the next derby... the change is coming!!!

Tony Shelby
133 Posted 06/08/2019 at 07:30:01
Knowing me, knowing you. ZAHA!
Darren Murphy
134 Posted 06/08/2019 at 07:43:03
£65 million plus Tosun and McCarthy? Getting rid of an injury-prone player and a 'tries hard but is not good enough' striker is great. I'd've preferred Chucky myself and Zaha is the equivalent of Tom Daley who wants Champions League... apparently.

We need a rapid centre-back, cover for Coleman, a left winger, plus another striker imo.

We shall see...

Martin Mason
135 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:15:59
I hate to be negative at a time of great positivity in the Club but I believe that Zaha is London centric with a potential "me" attitude rather than the type of player that I'd personally like us to buy if we're going to spend really big money. I will gladly be proven wrong. It's possibly realistic now that £60M is the going price for 20 goals a season. Why aren't Arsenal biting?
Si Cooper
136 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:27:26
I'm not trying to be a wet blanket but I would still be shocked to the core if this actually happens. I couldn't say for sure that Zaha would catapult us into the big hitters but the expectations would surely skyrocket.

If they can convince him that this is a good move for him to get to the next level then the vision they are pitching to potential recruits must be spectacular.

Not sure if it's on this thread or another but I've noticed a few posts discussing who else might be getting closer to breaking into the top 6. I think West Ham and Leicester have had some ‘backing' but I think Wolves will be there or thereabouts again this season. I don't think they've lost much from last season and their recruitment has been decent.

Joe Clitherow
137 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:34:32
Zaha, Sidibe and Zouma or another centre-back in before Thursday plus a clear out of the rubbish and this will be without a doubt the best transfer window we have ever had. Balanced, and either strengthening or adding depth or addressing all current areas of weakness.

Fantasy Football time.

In Brands We Trust!!

Sam Hoare
138 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:43:35
Zouma – I think can happen. But not now. Might have to wait till Jan when he's realised he's not first choice.

Zaha – Would be a real statement. Clearly overpriced but that the tax you pay for players proven in this league. He's the best dribbler in the league now Hazards gone. Counter-attacking gold-dust.

Brian Williams
139 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:44:43
Thank God my missus doesn't read ToffeeWeb (I've tried 😀) but am I glad I booked a Wednesday to Wednesday holiday to get me home in time for the yellow tie and the teeth Jim White's running in for a race horse. TDD here I come!
Ciao!
Sandra Bowen
140 Posted 06/08/2019 at 08:46:20
Hopefully this is a goer. I thought it strange that a second bid was never made and the denial of a second offer all seemed a bit odd to me. Looks like this may be happening behind the scenes.

Proper game changer for me if we do manage to secure Zaha and a centre half.

Clear that they are going for physical, pacey and tall players in this window. A line up of Pickford, Mina, Coleman, Digne, Keane, Gbamin, Gomes, Sigurdsson, Zaha, Richarlison and Kean is ridiculously big and imposing. Only the full-backs under 6ft.

That's a serious side and an extremely strong bench with the likes of Bernard, Calvert-Lewin, Baines, Lössl, Delph, Davies, a centre-back? Walcott, Sidibe, Schneiderlin all able back-ups.

Fingers crossed.

Jerome Shields
141 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:05:25
Jay #122,

Arsenal had one of the best defensive records for years in the Premier League prior to Wenger. Wenger's initial success was based on George Graham's defence. As it broke up, Arsenal's defensive record went the same way.

Martinez's first season was the same, with Moyes's defence. It didn't last as long, because of Jagielka's inconsistency (as he had been during Moyes's tenure) and finally Oviedo's broken leg.

Wenger was better than Moyes, because he consistently got points of the lower half of the table, whilst Moyes couldn't.

This is the reason Everton need Zouma, even if he cost £65 million. He would have been a better buy than Maguire. Mina is good, but we all have a few doubts. Gbamin has to be the real deal and, if so, could be better than Gueye.

Everton do need a finisher, because an improvement in this area did not materialise amongst existing players over the Summer. Initially, I thought "Zaha? No way" – until Sam asked me to think again. I read his "areas of improvement" post again.

Daniel A Johnson
142 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:18:37
With Zaha, it's not just about the goals and assists... it's about how teams will set up against us, trying to counter his pace and directness.

He's a real threat and often has one or two players from the opposition looking after him, so to speak. That will leave space for others to shine too. Always harder to play a team who can hit you from all over the park.

I'm crossing everything that this comes off, I really am.

Ed Fitzgerald
143 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:21:30
He doesn't want to come to Everton; he wants to stay in London. Apparently, the massive pay rise he is going to get on his current £130k per week might convince him that the environs of L4 are indeed the bright lights of the capital.

£65-100M for a player who has scored 32 Premier League goals in his career (with 21 assists) from 177 games is lunacy IMO. Some would say exciting, I would say frustrating.

Sorting that defence out is the priority – we will get Zouma for £40-50M.

John Hammond
144 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:22:07
It's going to happen. Palace bid for McCarthy and we hear nothing more. We bid for Zaha and we hear nothing more apart from reports of a second bid plus players that we came out and denied. Palace need another forward. This whole deal makes sense. We swap some deadwood for their best player.

I saw someone comment on another story that you can't get a Chelsea shirt with Zouma's name on it.

Thursday and Friday are going to be a mental couple of days.

Phil Sammon
145 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:54:39
With the kind of money sloshing around in the Premier League, surely there is more value abroad? Isn't there some great wingers knocking around in Europe that we can pick up for half Zaha's price?
Jerome Shields
146 Posted 06/08/2019 at 09:57:19
Kenwright is supposed to be heading negotiations.

Moshiri hasn't learnt. Brands's limited involvement means Zaha is Moshiri's big money buy. Only Kenwright would head such negotiations.

Silva has said that McCarthy "does not impress in training; other players are prepared to work harder and play to help the team". Tosun we all know about.

No wonder we are in transfer fee dreamland.

Daniel A Johnson
147 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:11:15
£65M plus two players has been rejected.

Zaha will be staying put, apparently...

Brent Stephens
148 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:13:22
dup
Derek Taylor
149 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:15:13
Totally bonkers – all of it!!! Brands and Silva are like two kids in a sweet shop and Moshiri is fanning the flames in the hurry to get all the Club's money spent.

But new players – any new players – is what the fans demand and the lessons of the Walsh era have sadly not been learned. What a pity that all Unsworth's work is seen as pointless although a half dozen of his graduates are being given the chance to strive in the lower divisions.

No longer the Everton I have loved for over 70 years, just a money pit for foreign players and their leaders. And they will still do well to finish top seven!

Si Cooper
150 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:31:00
Whose money, Derek?

Unfortunately, success breeds success and these days you need a huge financial bunk up to get the ball rolling in that regard.

The academy and junior teams are just as important as they've always been. If the club can rise to the level where we are actually winning things, then it will just give those who prove themselves worthy a bigger stage to perform on.

Derek Knox
151 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:36:00
There is a glimmer of hope to resurrect the deal, Zaha has apparently never seen 'Blood Brothers' so fingers crossed guys, this will go down to 'The Wire', an American TV series, which thankfully Bill has had no part in the production of.
James Hughes
152 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:57:32
Looking at our dealing this window is heartening. Spent £90M and recouped £60M – a bit more if we offload Tosun and Jimmy Mac – with about 20 players leaving the club in various ways; that must lighten the wage bill.
Iain Johnston
153 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:02:20
Winger Alan Irvine left us for Palace... useless info, I know, but keeps the thread on topic.

But...

We can never forget Bob the Pole and that Leeds debut game and the win at Man Utd!

Ray Roche
154 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:17:19
Jerome@147

"Kenwright is supposed to be heading negotiations."

"Brands's limited involvement means Zaha is Moshiri's big-money buy. Only Kenwright would head such negotiations."

Do you have some sort of influence in the Club? Is your finger firmly on the pulse of all things in our transfer dealings? Or are your comments merely supposition?

How do you KNOW that Brands has limited involvement? I would have thought that our transfer dealings these past few days would suggest that Boys Pen Bill has not been anywhere near the incoming deals. Or outgoings. And that Brands is doing what he was brought in to do, hence the feeling of excitement and anticipation.

Supposition (n) "a belief held without proof or certain knowledge", There's a lot of supposition on ToffeeWeb these days...

Marc Hints
155 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:21:58
James McCarthy is on his way to Palace, apparently.
Tommy Carter
156 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:22:54
I'm just not convinced on Zaha for this kind of money. He's never achieved more than 10 goals in a Premier League season which for a forward is not a particularly good record. He failed at Man Utd albeit without much playing time and I remember his loan spell with Cardiff in which he was distinctly average.

Since then he's steadily developed into a solid Premier League performer and no more than that for me. He doesn't really hurt the top teams.

He caught the eye at Goodison last year I have to say. He was very robust and wriggled his way out of challenge after challenge. But his side lost the game and – despite looking powerful and strong – he did very little to create anything at all although he did win a penalty through sloppy defending.

I think this summer may have been an opportune time to upgrade on Gylfi Sigurdsson. At his age, I seriously would have considered selling him and recouping some transfer fee on him while we still can.

I believe he adds a lot of individual quality to our team but he is not a playmaker in the sense that a No 10 should be.

Joe Corgan
157 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:27:43
I've got a sneaking suspicion that this will happen. Given Silva's guarded comments, he's obviously a player we're interested in. Palace are resigned to losing him so will want to sell before the deadline, which puts us in quite a strong negotiating position.

I note that the article – although light on sources –does come from the Independent which I've always found to be one of the more respected authorities on sources. They actually employ journalists – unlike other rags, which just print any old gossip they think up.

Tony Hill
158 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:29:35
Derek @150, I am afraid that the old Everton died a long time ago. We were spending heavily under Moores, of course, 55 years ago.

I am waiting for other clubs and the media to start hinting darkly about Usmanov. It won't be long. It may also be true.

As fans, either we buy in to modern football or we turn away. I've made the choice to stay, because I can't help it.

By the way, I think we'll do better than 7th.

Dave Lynch
159 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:34:03
Personally, I would rather we swerved him. We were not his first choice and he would rather stay down south.

All this adds up to a player who would be unsettled.

Jer Kiernan
160 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:35:43
Palace will play hardball on this as they can, Hodgeson has been critical of the hierarchy this week, and the fans could kick up a stink on this

Again the problem for everybody involved is we have left this far too late, and too late for Roy as well who probably can see himself come Thursday with £150M in the bank and no time to buy new signings

Please don't tell me Kenwright has any involvement in this or it will not end well for anybody involved, I can see the deal falling apart and us dirtying our bib with Palace.

There is a chance we could come back for him at Xmas, I believe the same holds for Zouma

Sam Hoare
161 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:36:00
If Zaha doesn't come, I'm very curious to know what Plan B is. Neres? Lozano? Traore? Ziyech? Ronny Lopes? Ryan Fraser maybe?!

Likewise with Zouma. Will we just wait? Or will there be a surprise new centre-back? Llorente? Rekik? Ferro?

Enjoy the next few days as I suspect this may be the last time we splash the cash for a few years!

Tony Shelby
162 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:48:16
Sky are reporting that Palace are still actively pursuing James McCarthy.

Taking that into account – and with Zaha wanting to leave – surely this is going to happen?

Gordon Crawford
163 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:53:10
I also hope we swerve him too. “Rumour” is that Palace have now asked for a “£100M”; of course, this is “rumour”.

I would find someone else for half that price and pay massively for Zouma.

Daniel A Johnson
164 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:53:41
Once Zaha goes the Palace carcass has been picked clean. They have no one else worthy of a future big sale so they will be holding out for a massive transfer fee.
Dave Williams
165 Posted 06/08/2019 at 11:54:04
Tommy #156, agreed. Gylfi does some good things but I don't see him as part of a top 4 side – though maybe with Moise up-front he will prove me wrong.

I can't quite convince myself with Zaha. A very good player but only 3-4 years left at the very top at age 27 now and, as Palace made a lot of money on Wan-Bissaka, they can't be desperate for the money from selling Zaha. Seems to me they will try to screw us and we will end up pulling out and the danger then is we will be too late to pursue another player.

That said, the thought of our front three if we do sign him is very exciting. I'll put my faith in Brands, I think – he knows better than I do!

Liam Reilly
166 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:12:10
Would love this to happen, cracking player.

Can't see Palace selling him until late on Thursday though, so they avoid him turning up against them on Saturday.

Shaun Laycock
167 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:16:44
No, no, no, no & no! Rather have the other Z Zouma. Don't need Zaha. Spends more time on the ground than standing. Would give Neymar a run for his money.
Gary Edwards
168 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:24:06
Suggestions that Kenwright is involved in the Zaha deal contradict the professionalism and efficiency with which we've conducted our transfer business in this window.

Zaha will be a magnificent signing – the vaunted 'statement' signing – and if we bring Zouma back and Reunier in January, it will be a fantastic window – shrewd too in many ways (including "We'll look after your son"; clever, very clever).

Generally there's not been a tremendous amount of business in this transfer window and, given the quality of our activity, we've got to believe that we've stolen a march on other mid-table teams. I believe that, based on a player-for-player comparison, we're up there with Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. Then make allowance for the managers, one of which is inexperienced, one is the bookies favourite to be the first to be sacked, and Emery is good. We have to be good for top 6.

This massive influx of bright, young talent may not gel immediately but, given time, I don't think it's unrealistic to dream of Europa League next season then Champions League the following season.

Matthew Williams
169 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:30:51
If we gotta spend... spend big folks, this would be a massive game-changer indeed, dare we Blues finally believe???

If Leicester can win this league then why the fuck can't we too!!!

You see, my fellow ToffeeWebber's, I can do positive !!!.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

170 Posted 06/08/2019 at 12:59:07
Jerome @ 147.

Pure comedy gold.

I love the way you speak with such authority on the inner workings of the club, about which you know as much as the next fan: next to nowt... and then some more nowt.

But keep 'em coming. They do give me a chuckle.

Jerome Shields
171 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:12:40
Ray #155,

According to an article on the News Now website, Kenwright stopped the Zaha transfer at £40 million and the denial of the additional offer was officially released by Everton. It also said that Kenwright had reopened talks with Crystal Palace this week.

In another article on the same website, the comments regarding McCarthy were attributed to Silva. The widespread speculation regarding McCarthy and Tosun is apparently connected to the Zaha transfer. Brands is not mentioned, but he would have to be involved somewhere, you would think.

Jimmy Hogan
172 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:22:32
Where is all our money coming from? Moshiri's not that rich. Is Usmanov secretly funding this spree?
Laurie Hartley
173 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:25:57
I hope this one doesn't go through. On the first Zaha thread, I commented that I thought he was the wrong “fit” for Everton and I haven't changed my mind.

£65 million? — never in a million years!

Fran Mitchell
174 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:27:09
He'a a top player and would give us an exciting forward line, but I hope we don't get obsessed with this transfer, à la Siggy 2 years ago.

If they over-charge, don't pay. There are other options out there. Ryan Fraser, as someone mentioned, would be a solid addition. Maybe McNeil from Burnley would be worth a bid too.

Not to mention Everton Cebolinha, Lozano, and lord knows who else Mr Brands must have jotted down in his little black book.

Kieran Kinsella
175 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:29:20
Jerome,

Kenwright's probably trying to ditch Zaha and get Rooney as player-coach.

Kieran Kinsella
176 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:33:43
Jerome @147,

It didn't sound like Kenwright had much to do with Kean signing so why would he run this show? Also the Mail, while citing Kenwright, said he refused to go over £52 million but Silva is adamant he wants Zaha.

Ray Roche
177 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:43:25
Jerome@170

Like you, I take a look at Newsnow on a daily basis, but the vast majority of articles on there are purely click bait, the sole purpose is to sell advertising space. Unless the article is from what I regard as a proper news outlet, such as the Independent or The Times etc. I take it with a mountain of salt. Sites like HITC, Sportwitness etc are complete rubbish and just make things up, under the umbrella of "Report". These sites have even contradicted themselves with opposing comments on the same page! Player X will sign, Player X WON'T sign...

Unless Kenwright's participation is reported by a reputable source, then I won't give it any credence. Brands's main reason for being at Everton is to look after our transfers, at least, that is my understanding of his role. Maybe Kenwright HAS had some input, maybe he hasn't; neither of us knows for certain, but my belief is that Brands is the main man.

Incidentally, my original post was not meant to be sarcastic nor abusive; unfortunately, the written word does not allow "inflection" so comments may appear more personal than intended.

Tony Abrahams
178 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:48:09
Or get Moyes back, to see if he can become as good as Arsene Wenger!
Sam Hoare
179 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:00:08
Question is does Zaha turn us into a top 4 contender? If so then I reckon definitely worth the money.

If not then is it worth £100m on wages on transfer fees to maybe only get up to 5th or 6th?

I really like Zaha and would love to see his ilk at Everton. But the money we have is not infinite and in fact the coffers will be redirected to stadium build soon. Would we be better off spending £25-35m on a younger player who we could sell for twice the amount in 3-4 years time? Like it or not we will probably be sell-to-buy whilst the stadium is built.

Jerome Shields
180 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:15:58
Ray #176,

Hope you are right. But I can't help thinking if I was the Chairman of Crystal Palace or Hodgson, Who would I prefer to negotiate with? Kenwright or Brands?

The Zaha transfer saga has the fingerprints of Moshiri and Kenwright written over it, in my opinion. It's not Brands's style.

Kieran #175,

Everton need a finisher, as the pre-season has shown. Of course Silva would want Zaha.

Kieran Kinsella
181 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:21:14
Jerome 179,

Roy would I am sure prefer to deal with Brands but if Parish is involved it could be different. That joker was lined up for Shark Tank, and had his high profile fling with ITV's Breakfast host Suzanna Read. Sounds exactly like the kind of luvvy duvvy wannabee celebrity that would love to sit over a Martini with Kenwright chatting about Tony Awards, the London Palladium, and their favourite Dave Allen skits.

Jerome Shields
182 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:23:55
Ray #176,

Thank you for your comments. No offence ever taken, especially in transfer week.

Jerome Shields
183 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:41:10
Tony #177,

I actually had nightmares when it was speculated during the debacle that Wenger was in the running for the Everton Manager's job.

Kieran #180,

Luvvy duvvy is too close to Luvies for comfort.

James Marshall
184 Posted 06/08/2019 at 14:57:15
Seriously, all the crap on here about NewsNow articles - you do realise those websites are run by some spotty teenager in their bedroom writing 'news' articles?

It's no more informative than me trawling the Internet for leads on these stories, then publishing them for people to feast on.

Utter rubbish half the time. Why do you think the stories are so wildly different from one to the next? Surely you don't really take them as gospel in any way do you?

Andrew Keatley
185 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:13:32
Sam (178) - Who though? Who is this £20-30 million player that is going to come in and improve us this season and then be worth £50+ million in three to four season's time?

Whoever he is he will almost certainly be new to the Premier League, and could easily struggle. Players like Boufal and Elyounoussi (Southampton) and Ghezzal (Leicester) have hardly set the league on fire despite doing well at their previous clubs - so much so that Southampton have rolled the dice on Djenepo - another winger - again at just under €20 million. Bournemouth have chucked roughly the same on 22-year-old Holland international Danjuma. There are just so many unknowns. I'd much rather spend three times the money on someone like Zaha who will walk straight into our first team and who has proven himself to be effective in this league.

If there is one player who I'd be keen to sign - and who might cost about half the Zaha money - it would be Reiss Nelson, but I'd imagine the chance that Arsenal would sell him is almost zero. Ryan Fraser is another option, but I don't think he would transform us in the same way that Zaha could.

James Hughes
186 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:21:25
Bill was involved in the Siggi transfer that's why we overpaid.
'Is Siggi for sale?'
'Yes £30m please
'How about 25m?'
'Ok that's now £40m
'Hang on Luvvie you said £30m,
'Call me Luvvie, it's now £45m

Bill walks away and the office junior takes over

Jamie Crowley
187 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:33:16
There's zero chance Blue Bill is involved in negotiations.

I'd also contend there's zero chance Palace is actually asking for 100 million.

Palace initially valued Zaha at 80 million. They've now received an offer of 65 million, adding in a 20 million striker and a 10 million midfielder. Even if you knock off 5 million respectively from Everton's valuation of Cenk and McCarthy, we've still met their valuation.

Where, and on what planet, will Palace ever receive 100 million for Wilfred Zaha? They won't. It's that simple.

The deal will get done at around 80 million - which satisfies both party's valuations.

Men in power like to penis wave and measure. They're playing a game of chicken right now - first one to flinch loses.

Palace will, in the end, want the dosh. They'll blink, we'll jump at it, and expect to see Wilfred Zaha rushed north for a medical at the deadline. Let's just hope the fax works. :0)

Crystal ball put back in the drawer. Supposition halted.

Oh, and for people saying we should be in for Chucky Lozano? Completely over rated player. Steer clear. He's not that good. If you like watching a player cut in, shoot, and see the ball literally travel into orbit, Chucky's your guy.

Jay Harris
188 Posted 06/08/2019 at 15:44:47
Jamie,

As chairman, and given the size of the fee involved and the fact he is in London and Brands is here, there and everywhere, I wouldnt say there is zero chance Kenwright is involved.

Also, I guess the £100M suggested is just sensationalism to grab a headline and would include a 5-year contract @ £150k a week, agents fees and journalists' exaggeration.

I would hazard a guess (and it's only a guess) that it is £55M plus James McCarthy – which is still high but almost acceptable.

David Pearl
189 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:03:32
Exactly Jay. Brands can't do it all. This attempted signing plus others so far point to us actually taking this season seriously for a change. We are going for it. Finally, we might have a few forwards that teams fear, solid all over the park. Waited a long time for this. Hopefully gone are the days when we sign the likes of Sandro and Cuco.
Sam Hoare
190 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:17:06
Andrew @185,

I totally agree that there's no-one who is guaranteed to come in and make an immediate impact as Zaha. He'd bring a lot for the next few years. And that's why he's our main target. I just wonder whether all that expenditure is worth it if we only move from 7th to 6th?

In terms of alternatives there are always options. Ghezzal and Boufal may have flopped but the one I wanted last year was Felipe Anderson; he has been excellent and every chance West Ham will sell him in a year or two for twice their outlay.

Who would flip and who would succeed is, of course, Brands's job. I quite like Lozano and Neres. I really wanted Malcom. I think Tsyngakov looks interesting and I think Traore would surprise a few people. An older but fascinating option could be Ziyech and a safer (cheaper) alternative might be Fraser.

I'll be chuffed if Zaha signs but I'm one who does look at and think about the price tag. If he got us into the Champions League, then great. But if he elevates us only to 6th/7th, then are we looking at a good investment? Because this cash flow will dry up soon.

Jerome Shields
191 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:22:49
Jay #188,

You're right — our Chairman is involved. He can't help himself.

Transfer week, picture with Zaha, prospect of a draw in London, a Luvie's bash with Parish afterwards, no overnight accommodation and Parish with money to spend. Not only is Kenwright discussing the transfer with Parish, he is planning the menu.

Who is going to be able to stop him? Dramas are his occupation — especially if someone else in paying.

Steve Ferns
192 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:27:57
Sam if we look at the "Big Six".

City - massive squad infallible for sure
Liverpool - very strong in defence, but midfield is not all that and they lack a central striker and they have signed no one.
Tottenham - Pochettino is waging a war against Levy in the Press and that won't be good for squad morale. They've also only got Kane and if he's injured then they're in trouble. Eriksen is still there and wants to leave, Alli is not at his best for over a year now, and some question marks over their squad, even if they did make the CL final.
Chelsea - transfer ban. Striker wise, they lost Higuaín, sold Morati and sold Hazard. Looks like Giroud, Batshuayi and Abraham are their only strikers and Willian is their Hazard replacement. Barkley is also now a big player for them!
Man Utd - signed Maguire but still need to sort the defence out. The keeper has had a tough season and no longer looks the very best in the world (still brilliant don't get me wrong). The midfield is a mess and striker wise, who is replacing Lukaku? Is Solksjaer going to last until Christmas? the club looks a shambles
Arsenal - I think they have a very good manager, and yet they still finished 5th, they still cannot spend big money (Kroenke for you), and they still have holes in the first team.

I truly believe that with a bit of luck, someone new can crack that top 4. So, why not go for it? The rewards are vast, and if Moshiri can afford it, and FFP allows it, and Brands has planned it, why not?

PS Sign a bloody centre-back though!

Brent Stephens
193 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:30:19
James #184. I’m like you. Take all the gossip with a dollop of salt. If somebody is eventually announced as having been signed, then I’ll get heated (for or against). If we don’t end up signing somebody we’ve been linked with, well it was Schroedinger’s cat. Well never know.
Jamie Crowley
194 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:36:49
Steve -

If you're also big on Wolves, Leicester, and West Ham, you're looking at ten teams that will be strong(ish) this season.

We're embarking on what may be the most exciting season in my time, league-wide.

I think Wolves will find it very hard to compete on multiple fronts. But the Holy Spirit is one hell of a coach, and clearly has God on his side.

West Ham will improve. I'm not as sold on them, but many pundits mention them as being a stronger side.

I think Leicester will be very, very good. Despite Brenda's reputation in Evertonian circles, I think he's a good manager and will have them playing entertaining, near-reckless football that could easily propel them up the table.

It's going to be a rollercoaster of a ride I think.

Steve Ferns
195 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:37:18
No concerns that this is 2017 all over again Brent? Zouma is the new Giroud and what was looking a strong window suddenly turns into a nightmare?

Nah, me neither. Not really. But Thursday is getting close and other than Zouma there's not been much "gossip" on any incoming players at centre-back. I'd sleep a bit easier if I saw a lot of gossip on a few different options and could take that as reassurance that the club are actively looking for a Zouma replacement.

These days, so many people are involved in a transfer, it's in the interests of many to leak the details (to increase the money or the pressure), and so you would expect to see something.

Steve Ferns
196 Posted 06/08/2019 at 16:41:08
Good point Jamie, but I think Wolves were very, very lucky last season. They will not have the same luck, and they will also (as you said) be spread too thin, fighting on too many fronts. Their strength was that small, hardly rotated squad. This season they cannot do that, they must rotate. They will get injuries. And I think it will unravel.

West Ham are West Ham. I don't think I need to add any more. Ok maybe one more thing, Pellegrini is their manager and he's about 96 now.

Leicester looked the strongest, but they've lost a big player in Maguire. They have a few strong players, but they also have a few weak players regularly starting games. They don't have enough quality to make the top 6. And as for Brenda, definitely overrated.

It's up to us.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

197 Posted 06/08/2019 at 17:11:52
Steve @ 192.

We will have a clearer idea of where we are after Thursday when we can properly reflect on and evaluate the actual squad we will go into the season with. On paper at least, it already looks good with a couple of more days to add to it still.

In the main, I'd agree with your evaluation of the top six with a couple of extra notes.

The 'bours have not significantly added to their squad. They got very, very lucky last year in that no players suffered long-term injury, certainly none of their key players. The odds are that that luck will not continue. Have they the second or third tier players to adequately cover for the absence of such players? I personally doubt it.

The CL run covered up a dreadful 2nd half of the PL season at Spurs. Having had comfortably the best away record in the league at the turn of the year, by season's end they were constantly being beaten away from home, lost a couple of times in their new stadium (we also should have beaten them) and based on the league form of the final third of the season their league position would have seen them just above the relegation zone. Cristensen could be leaving, or remain unsettled. Pochettino has repeated recently his concerns about Deli Ali's recurring hamstring injuries which will see him miss the start of the season. Kane and Song are their main men...and what if either of them pick up an injury, as Kane did twice last season?

You are spot on about Chelsea, United and Arsenal. 'Lambard' [sic] maybe just that - the sacrificial lamb to sit in the manager's chair for a single season because no top manager would be willing to assume the role in a season that Chelsea must play with the transfer ban.

Solksjaer flattered to deceive on arrival at United, largely due to a benevolent fixture list. On being appointed full-time, their form again collapsed. Their signings (and possible outgoings) will not fully address their shortcomings.

At Arsenal, I like Emery and would not have been averse to seeing him at Everton. But again, is their transfer policy this summer addressing their key needs: to strengthen both their central defence and midfield?

If Everton can ride the wave from our closing form last season, if the new players can be integrated and got up to speed quickly, a challenge on the top six - even the top four - is on for me, too.

PS - I'm looking UP only, not down towards what the likes of Wolves, Leicester and WHU might do.

Eric Paul
198 Posted 06/08/2019 at 17:31:09
As the so called experts on what ever media you read, watch or listen to only have Leicester, wolves or West Ham to threaten the top six. We need to smash into the top 3 and make them take notice, and as some above have alluded to at least 3 of the top 6 from last season are there for the taking.
John Mckay
199 Posted 06/08/2019 at 17:31:09
Chelsea, united and arsenal where trash last season especially the last 10 games or so, 4th was there for the taking and none of them wanted it, Chelsea hobbled over the line in 4th like an injured dog.

Tottenham fell like a lead balloon as well.

The question is has they strengthened enough? Probably not.

Have we got a good enough team to challenge them? That depends on Kean and what he can do. And if we bring in zaha or someone of his quality.

Zaha, kean and Richarlison running at them defences is going to scare the life out of them!

Paul Bernard
200 Posted 06/08/2019 at 18:56:43
My personal stance on Zaha for £65m+ still hasn’t changed. It is far too much for what is technically a top 6 player but hit and miss to be considered top 4.

Until Zouma is replaced by Zouma then this is nothing more than a Steve Walsh move from Brands. He was brought in to find young talent like Kean for decent value.

Zouma should be the only priority right now.

Dave Williams
201 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:29:53
Zaha now too expensive. There is better value elsewhere.
Jay Harris
202 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:46:37
We can pick holes in other clubs but it is more about what we do.

We have to gain at least 20 points on last season and that is a tall ask given the unfamiliarity of the squad.

I would also not underestimate Wolves. They have a quality manager and some good quality players although they will be hindered by the cursed Europa while they are still in it.

Iain Latchford
203 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:55:43
Daily Fail now reporting Palace have rejected £70m plus McCarthy and Tosun.

Considering we'd also have to pay him circa £150k per week I think it's time to walk away.

Daniel A Johnson
204 Posted 06/08/2019 at 19:59:35
48hrs to go...…..time to walk away from Zaha and focus on other targets.

Palace have messed us around enough, we don't want this dragging out to the last min for it all to fall through.

Move on lets forgot about him now.

Ray Roche
205 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:00:24
Agree Iain. Walk away. They’re taking the piss now.
David Pearl
206 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:02:57
Think its time to stop reading everything and just wait for a club announcement. We have already improved our squad regardless of losing a couple. Gbamin or babin jamin looks good and l will stop having to look up his name soon.

We have a cracking opportunity this season. Ive a feeling Barkley will do well for Chelsea this year as l think he wad brought in as Hazzards replacement. He has looked good pre season but then again they look short up top. Arsenal could do better, and who wouldnt want their front 3.

Carl Taylor
207 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:06:05
If, and it is a big, questionnable if, we have offered what we are alleged to have offered for Zaha and Doucoure and the clubs have rejected them, then we need to walk away. It is now up to the players. If they want to join a team with more ambition than just feeding on the premier league tit, then hand in transfer requests. Otherwise, rot in no mans land, and we move on to plan b, c or d. Getting sick of Palace and Watford thinking they are in the same league as Everton, in terms of the stature of the club.
Brian Wilkinson
208 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:15:49
If true and £70 Million plus players rejected,then yes walk away.

No one has suggested approaching Zenit and offering to take over Malcolm’s transfer, they have longer to bring a replacement in than our window and solves an issue their fans have with the player.

Frank Crewe
209 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:17:49
We're just not used to spending this kind of money in one go. What happened to Leeds casts a long shadow. Every time we meet yet another price the price goes up again. They seem determined to get us up to £80 million. What do we do? In for a penny in for a pound or walk away and wait until January?
Personally I wouldn't want to be the guy making this decision but if we want to be seen as a big club it requires big decisions. Did the Reds baulk at £70 million for Van Dyke? Manu's £80 million for Maguire? We wanted to be at the top table well this is the moment we find out if we have the bottle for it.
Daniel A Johnson
210 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:19:25
Next 48hrs are going to be hell and I keep falling for the Newsnow click bait.
Frank Crewe
211 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:22:16
Dan we all do.
Joe McMahon
212 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:24:11
Frank, just as Leeds is a bad example, the top 4/6 are the highest spenders. But like you I think we should leave Zaha alone. He may sulk for a few months and we could (if we need him) get him cheaper in January. Palace are deffo taking the piss.
Daniel A Johnson
213 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:25:06
As exciting/frustrating as this is why the hell did we leave this to the last 5 days?

By leaving it all so late other teams are unlikely to sell as they can’t get replacements.

It’s bloody ridiculous we find ourselves approaching the last 48hrs with such massive bids out of the blue

Martin Mason
214 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:27:53
I trust the club to do the right thing now.
Frank Crewe
215 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:34:18
Joe I'm not saying we should wait until January. I don't know if we should wait or not. Maybe come January other clubs may be in for him and this may be our only chance to get him.
But it's not about the player it's about the price. We wanted a billionaire owner and now we have one. We wanted to be in the mix for the top draw players and now we are. But this is the biggest deal we've ever been up for and it's scary.
It's like when most of us make a big buy, house, car, big TV. We know we want it but we are scared of buyers regret. Well it's the same now only on a much bigger scale. We feel like it's our own money even though it isn't. All we can really do is hope that those who are making this decision know what they are doing. But unless the club says otherwise all we can do is sweat and worry.
Joe McMahon
216 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:37:56
Derek@ 149, you are correct in many ways. But we have no choice we have stagnated enough since the early 90's. There are many City fans in my family (fathers side), and I can tell you they don't want to go back to the days of Peter Swales.
Martin Mason
217 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:40:09
Joe, stagnated since the early 90's?. I'd say since 1970.
Julian Exshaw
218 Posted 06/08/2019 at 20:54:00
I remember Rodney Marsh a decade or so ago saying that soon players would be earning 100,000 pounds a week. Most of us thought this was typical Marsh talking crap. Here we are 10 years later with stories of Bale reportedly being offered 1,000,000 a week in China and now we are reportedly offering Crystal Palace an absolute fortune for Zaha. Yes, folks, football is reaching its pinnacle and will implode sooner or later. Sign Zaha by all means but this is getting crazy! I am excited as any fan but a part of me feels that football has long since sold its soul to tv and betting companies. Or maybe I'm getting old.
Peter Thistle
219 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:07:17
A: I doubt we'll sign him especially at that price, are we mad ?
B: I get the feeling he wouldn't fit in to what we already have
C: He could be another Bolasie, shudder.
David Pearl
220 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:12:26
Imagine If You Will...

We cant get this Zaha deal over the line... That there might be a chance of Coutihno on loan from Barca. Haha. I mean Zaha. He has to go somewhere!!

Fran Mitchell
221 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:22:14
Spurs may be getting Dybala for 65 million. Quality player. No way can Zaha cost more than him,
James Marshall
222 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:37:52
Or, Spurs are buying Countinho for £80m.

Do you see the problem with reading SSN's transfer thingy?

It's all bollocks to keep you going back for more.

David Pearl
223 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:48:19
Yes James, l need a holiday
John Mckay
224 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:53:16
Bid agreed by Everton for James McCarthy from palace. £8m medical tomorrow.
Andy Crooks
225 Posted 06/08/2019 at 21:57:39
Steve Ferns, how much do you think Silva wants Zaha? Do you think Silva has huge influence in this? Why does he want Zaha so much? Is this a waste of money? Will we get Zouma? If not, who?
Only asking,Steve, because I respect your views. Hope you will be at the Exscelior do. By then we will know so much more.
Ray Smith
226 Posted 06/08/2019 at 22:09:36
This is becoming a circus act, and I for one don’t believe that Marcel will be prepared to join the circus.
If it happens great, if not walk away, end of.
Shaun Wilson
227 Posted 06/08/2019 at 22:18:23
Martin #217

Stagnating since the '70s? Were you out of town for the '80s? Just asking since I thought we were fairly successful in that period. COYB

Steve Ferns
228 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:05:26
Andy it only makes sense if there was no Sigurdsson. Then we could have a front three of say Richarlison, Kean and Zaha. They wouldn't need to track back per se, but Silva would have them initiating the press. The move for Doucouré would then make sense, and a midfield three of Gomes, Dourcouré and Gbamin would counter-balance the attacking trio, whilst allowing the fullbacks to get forward.

I've said since Silva came that Gueye and Sigurdsson do not fit his tactics. Gueye proved me wrong to some extent as he grew by the second half of the season and was really getting forwards. Sigurdsson though just does not fit, and we have to play 4-2-3-1 to accommodate him. And so this means Zaha and Richarlison being wingers rather than forwards and so increased defensive duties, and instead of the trio of Gomes, Doucouré and Gbamin to counter balance them, there's only two of them and they're trying to counterbalance 4 players. So by being more attacking we are actually more solid in defence.

The thing with Sigurdsson is that he turns 30 in a few weeks, and so if he plays a big part this season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved on next summer. And Silva would not replace him like for like.

Colin Glassar
229 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:18:18
Why am I not excited about Zaha? On his day he's unplayable but for some reason he just doesn't excite me. With Bernard, Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison, Kean and Sigurdsson I think we've got enough going forward for now.

I'd rather we got Zouma or Doucore if I'm honest.

Steve Ferns
230 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:24:41
I'm not that big a fan either, Colin. But this transfer would be a real statement of intent. And it would make the whole league sit up and take notice. I think Sky would instantly start giving us credit and talk us up for the top 6, as would Fleet Street, who hate us.

It shows we can compete with the likes of Arsenal in the market and sign someone one of the "Big Six" could not afford, and someone that Fleet Street have touted to the "Big Six" all summer long. Add in Keane and Doucouré and then there will be a real buzz around Everton that should continue with our relatively easy start (certainly compared to 2 years ago) and we should be top 4 by the end of October.

This would then have a knock-on with Sponsors and the like, maybe we could even make an even bigger signing in January. It just creates momentum, and football is all about momentum.

Jay Harris
231 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:45:57
I agree with your sentiment Steve but bending to Steve Parrish who has constantly rubbished our club is not the way to do it IMO.

It shows weakness rather than strength, likewise with Watford.

Let Brands continue to work his magic rather than make "ego" signings.

Andy Crooks
232 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:56:26
Steve, we cannot possibly have Richarlison, Kean and Zaha. in the same team.It it is insane..
Gordon Crawford
233 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:56:33
Colin I agree, I don’t want him either and I also think we can do better.
Palace are also taking the piss, as they keep moving the goal posts.
We need to move on fast.
Chris Jones [NZ]
234 Posted 06/08/2019 at 23:58:56
Great if he comes, but not for silly money. I'm far more concerned about a decent central defender to challenge Keane and Mina. My excitement for the Martinez-esque 'as long as we score one more than them' approach dissipated about a month into his second season. Currently, we're weak at the back and top 6 teams aren't (well Arsenal are a bit dodgy, but you get my point).
Steve Ferns
235 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:03:04
Jay, whatever Brands wants to do is fine by me. If he wants Andy Crooks as centre-back, I'll assume he's seen something special in Andy and trust in him. I certainly wouldn't be telling him who to sign or how much to spend. But, if Brands does sign Zaha for £65m, then what I said above applies.

Sorry, Jay, I'm a dreamer, and I like to dream in silly season. Those hopes and dreams have usually gone by November, so let us enjoy the now!

Colin Glassar
236 Posted 06/08/2019 at 00:04:29
As much as I like Sigurdsson he cost far too much imo and has struggled to justify his price tag. I can see the same happening with Zaha.

I don’t see him being a M/M signing but a Moshiri shiny new toy buy. Silva will have to change his formation and tactics to accommodate him as he will be expected to start every game and that could cause disruption.

If it does happen (I don’t think it will) I hope I’m proven wrong.

Steve Ferns
237 Posted 07/08/2019 at 00:08:33
You make a great point up to the bit about Moshiri. I cannot see him instructing Brands on who to buy. I do think he might have said to Brands to make one statement signing of his own choice, and if we sign Zaha, then it's Brands' choice. If not, Brands would walk, surely?
Frank Crewe
238 Posted 07/08/2019 at 00:12:29
Silly money? I think we went past silly money about £20 million quid ago. There's no difference in an extra £10 million once you get into this kind of money. It's more about the principle. We don't want to pay £80 million because it looks like we gave in. They won't take less for the same reason.

All these massive fees are silly money. but all the clubs we want to displace in the top 4 are doing it and so must we. There are no shortcuts here. We either put our money where our mouth is or stay mid-table. What's it gonna be?

Mike Gaynes
239 Posted 07/08/2019 at 00:14:09
Steve #229, couldn't agree more.

And I'd have Andy Crooks at CB all day long. But could we afford him?

Colin #235, think you're way off target re Moshiri. He's never shown the slightest indication of toying around with the club. He's made some bad decisions, but they've all been purely business.

Simon Dalzell
240 Posted 07/08/2019 at 02:00:16
Frank #237. Absolutely spot on. I feel we need to bite the bullet on this one, and pay what is required. He is a MUST for me, and would take the team and general atmosphere to another level. Please get it done.
Terry Farrell
241 Posted 07/08/2019 at 06:50:02
Think I am in the minority here. Great player but don't want him. Think its all about him and he could be a sulk. Think he will come to us reluctantly if no arsenal spurs west ham or Chelsea don't want him which they don't and why is that? Admittedly Chelsea have the ban currently.
Sam Hoare
242 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:15:28
Would we be better off spending £65m on Upemecano from Leipzig who Arsenal are bidding for (presuming the Zouma deal is dead). Supremely talented young, quick defender who could form a great partnership with either Keane or Mina.

Think most of us would prefer Zaha but I do worry about our depth at CB currently. Most good teams are built on solid defense even more than an exciting attack.

Sam Hoare
243 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:24:58
If we spend £55m on Doucore (as some papers report) and £75m on Zaha then that would be pretty crazy.

Potentially buying those two players for similar fees to Ndombele and Dybala (who to my eyes are future superstars if not present ones).

I trust Brands but that’s huge expenditure on two players with profile fairly limited to the PL.

Maybe I shouldn’t worry about price tags but I do and would feel a bit more comfortable if we bought Sangare and Ziyech/Ryan Fraser for £25m each.

Brian Williams
244 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:30:00
Lads, lads, lads and everybody. Calm down it's just transfer deadline day! 🌞
Ray Roche
245 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:45:28
Brian,Brian,Brian, calm down. It’s tomorrow.😁
Tony Abrahams
246 Posted 07/08/2019 at 07:47:06
I’ve got a hunch that Brian knows more than he’s letting on, but only 33hrs and 15 mins to find out!
Simon Smith
247 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:05:57
Sam are you an accountant by any chance?
Sam Hoare
248 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:28:15
Simon@247, very far from it! But I do love a bargain. And I do think this will be our last pot of cash for a while so we have to spend it wisely.
Simon Smith
249 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:33:47
True Sam. I’d like it if we could get deals done cheaply. I’m just hugely excited about the Zaha deal and don’t want to be disappointed.
Tony Abrahams
250 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:36:21
I think the thing with spending big Sam, is that if the players you sign are the right age then you will normally get your money Back?

The way Brands has gone about his work this summer seems so very professional, and I hope he can shift a bit more, then bring in who the manager wants this window, and we can start to work on a settled squad.

To early to go on about that word that everyone hates on T/W, (it’s hated that much I’ve forgotten it) but everyone likes stability, because it usually brings success?

Sam Hoare
251 Posted 07/08/2019 at 08:59:02
Tony, yes. I’m not sure that Zaha would have much resale as wingers values usually drop quite rapidly around 28 or 29 as their acceleration dips. Doucore could have more value though Watford are charging us a 20% premium as they hate us, if any other club were buying he’d not cost more than £37m.

I do really like both players so I’m being a bit churlish. If we signed them both I’d be pretty delighted and I don’t think either are in the Bolasie bracket; they both almost guarantee end product. Surely we can’t afford both though?

Andrew Clare
252 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:20:29
Potentially it could be a massive day tomorrow for EFC. We could change from top six aspirations to top four ambitions.
It would involve a lot of money and probably deals that are on the verge of completion already.
Zaha, Doucore and Zouma would be mind blowing but there could be others that haven’t even been mentioned that come in.
Fingers crossed.
Jason Broome
253 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:32:36
The lad is worth £80M. The lad is far from deadwood and have people forgotten what Zaha did to us last season?

If Real or Barcelona were chasing Zaha he would cost them substantially more. Coutinho went to Barcelona for £120 Million over a year ago.

We haven't strengthened anywhere near enough. No Zouma, Gana and Walcott on the right should give people pause. We lack a game changer with speed, control and that unpredictable piece of flair... in every game.

We looked flat and poor in pre-season and anyone who thinks that we will step our game up has forgotten that the entire Premier League steps their game up so that cancels that argument.

We cannot pin our hopes on the back of a 19 year old. We NEED another big player and game changer. Someone who can draw defenders towards him and create space for others. An unplayable living nightmare.

People measuring the lad on assists are forgetting that to register an assist an average Palace striker needs to score. By failing to score all of Zaha's hard work is forgotten. Kean will most likely raise Zaha's assist record and Kean will benefit from their partnership.

Palace aren't stupid. They know that losing Zaha might dump them into a relegation battle. That is how big a player and game changer he is for them. Think of what he could do for us. Pay the fucking money.

You want to play in the big leagues you need to take the big risks. I for one don't see Zaha as a huge risk, but a player who will transform us going forward. You can't put money on the possibility of our success.

If we win the FA cup how many of us are going to quibble about that extra 10-15 Million!

For me this is a test to see if we are truly ambitious enough. If not then we cannot argue with another trophy less season and a 7th or 8th place finish.

Still trusting Brands to get this done.

Tony Everan
254 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:38:56
I think Doucoure is really pushing for this deal to go through, I think 37m is a fair price.

Zaha would improve us with 10 goals, assists and would win 5-10 penalties as well for us. I wonder whether the introduction of VAR has improved this players value !

Above all we need players who can fit our system and style of play. We hit on a formula in 2019 and it worked, our form the last 10-12 games was Champions League challenging form.

That team had forged an understanding of Marco Silva's system. Players knew their roles and executed their responsibilities week in week out. We were a handful for all-comers. Controlled aggression in rapidly closing down opponents and attacking fast.

One of the biggest things was the defensive duties of out front 3. Bernard DCL and Richie, they contributed to wins immeasurably with there tenacious backtracking and closing down. Any replacements or challengers for those positions [Zaha/Kean] must match or better that discipline.

They have to understand they are coming in to Everton not as individuals but as slotting into an irrepressible fighting unit. Where discipline and ruthlessness reign supreme. Goals, wins and success will be borne out of that.

Any new players have to slot into that and perform or we will not improve.

Michael Lynch
255 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:44:56
From Zaha's and Palace's perspective, he needs to move now to maximise his value. He's 27 in November, so he's reaching his absolute peak as a winger. If nobody else is prepared to pay around £80m for him this season, then in a year's time he's going to be even less attractive to a club with that sort of dough. He'll get Palace less in transfer fees, and he'll find it even harder to drum up interest from a CL club.

Now I know we're not a CL club, but we're the only game in town at the price Palace want. They would be mad to turn us down, and he'd be mad not to insist on a transfer. I don't believe that him leaving Palace will necessarily mean relegation for them, and £80m could buy a lot of solid pros to keep them safe anyway, whether in this window or the January window.

All the logic says this deal will go through.

Steve Guy
256 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:50:49
So whose ruined the Market now Merson ? Sky reporter states that Palace have said they’ll only accept bids North of what United overpaid for Maguire. Deafening silence from Merson could it be because it’s Manure and not little old Everton ? I think we’ll get Zaha but we will be forced to massively overpay for a player who is inconsistent and “worth” £50m at best
Chris Gould
257 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:54:33
Sky sports reporting that Palace have rejected our bid of £70 million plus McCarthy and Tosun. Either they have absolutely no intention of selling, or they are going to absolutely rinse us on deadline day when we get desperate. Zaha needs to hand in a transfer request and publicly state that he has no wish to stay at Palace. He needs to make his position their untenable.

Once we bring in Sidibe and hopefully Zouma or equivalent CB then this window will have been a success, but tinged with disappointment if we don't get Zaha.

Tony Abrahams
258 Posted 07/08/2019 at 09:56:22
Where’s Paul Merson now that Man Utd have ruined this seasons transfer window.

Palace have named there price and they want at least what United have paid for Harry Maguire, and who can really blame them for that?

Walk away or make a statement of intent, Who’s running the show, Big AL, or Moshiri!?

Michael Lynch
259 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:02:29
Surely that's fine then - if they want more than the Maguire deal, and they want McCarthy for £8.5m, then we just need to up our offer to £71.6m plus Macca? Tosun stays - I don't have a problem with that, he's not that bad a striker coming off the bench.
Brian Williams
260 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:07:38
Ray#245. Ray, I meant tomorrow, I think haha!
No I did mate. Flying home this evening to have a day glued to Jimmy Horse Teeth White.
Jason Broome
261 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:19:04
Michael @259

I agree. I think Tosun just needs a bit of confidence and good service and he would score more. He's a better finisher than DCL. He also comes across as a likeable lad. If he stayed I wouldn't have a problem.

Brian Williams
262 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:22:11
On the Zaha issue I, again, believe that Brands will not be held to ransom. If Zaha arrives it won't be for £80m or "north of the £80m Man Utd paid for McGuire" as Sky are reporting that Palace have said they want.
It'll be "undisclosed" (if it happens) so as not to embarrass Palace though the media will report their own figures.
Orrrrrrrr there could be someone else in the frame.
Tony Everan
263 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:23:40
70-80m for Zaha if he was 23 is a maybe.

The lad is 27 in 3 months, so at 30-31 will likely have greatly reduced sell on value.

I think what we are offering is more than fair and probably over the top already.
I think we have to batten down the hatches and not overpay on this one. If Palace struggle, Zaha gets an injury,loses form or motivation as a result and they flirt with relegation at 28 years old his value will be halved.

Palace will be motivated to cash in now, we should stick to our guns, or walk away.

Marc Hints
264 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:31:51
I do think Palace are right in what they are doing though and I am sure Everton would do the same if we had a player of that calibre. If Man Utd are paying £80 million for Harry Maguire then why would n't palace want the same if not more. Remember Harry Maguire is just a defender too.
David McMullen
265 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:37:08
If Palace want £80m they can have the extra as add ons but there has to be a give and take Brands will know when to 'walk away'. About time player power worked in our favour come on Zouma come on Doucoure come on Zaha
James Hughes
266 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:48:34
Latest From talksh#te is tbat we are preparing another bid.
I hear part of the deal is a box set of Bill's best plays and a set of hair rollers for Steve Pariah sorry Parish
Tony Shelby
267 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:49:54
If Palace are buying McCarthy for £8m and want £80m+ for Zaha then surely McCarthy + circa £72m will do the deal?
Steve Ferns
268 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:50:26
If Palace win the battle to keep Zaha, wouldn't it be a shame if he couldn't play against us as he was not ready, due all the palaver that's been going on. Even if we don't have any intention of paying the fee they demand, we should keep the pressure up until the window shuts!
Daniel A Johnson
269 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:53:22
Although its us who are the buyers well done Palace for not budging and getting a good fee for Zaha.

If it was us we would have took the £55M offer.

Hope we are taking note as I think Richarlison will be wanted by many next season.

Daniel A Johnson
270 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:54:54
If the price haggle is because of Maguire then serves us right for waiting to the last bloody minute as usual.
Marc Hints
271 Posted 07/08/2019 at 10:57:08
Daniel #270 think I have to agree with you there, why wait until the last minute.
Alexander Murphy
272 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:01
For Me Zaha wasn't on My shopping list, not at all.

Last occasions that We played Palace, he was a "Flouncy Flop Artist", a diver, a referee appealer, a complete shithouse. What that told Me loud and clear was that Our defence and defensive tactics were FAR superior to his frustrated efforts.

My evaluation of him concludes here. He's a diving shithouse.
I don't want him.

Man City ? Zero bids.
LFC ? Zero bids.
Spurs ? Zero bids.
Arse ? Rumoured interest concludes because he is WAY overpriced.
Chelski ? Zero bids.
Manure ? Zero bids.

To outdo those ahead of Us, We need to be smarter, more often. If not, then We choose to fail.

When he was a vehicle to offload some of our "unfancied", then I could see a point. Still wasn't great business (in My opinion).

Look elsewhere.
Pay MORE if necessary.
BUT, buy right.

Too many seasons, decades of "Maybe he'll be OK ?".

Our current plan to buy younger so that they are:
Less expensive
More fired up
More mouldable
Likely to bond as a team (the ENTIRE squad, coaches, trainers, medics etc)

££££ ? Or Time ?
They ARE connected with EFC, each other, MS, MB and with US Fans !
COYB ! ! ! !

Tony Shelby
273 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:39
Daniel (270) and Marc (271) - Buying early is no guarantee.

Exhibit A: Davy Klaassen
Exhibit B: Sandro Ramirez

Steve Ferns
274 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:43
We've been after Zaha all summer. He wanted to go to arsenal. Arsenal wanted to sign him. Arsenal said it was too much and moved on to, and signed, Pepe. Arsenal only exited the transfer "race" a week ago. It's not last minute. It's the reality. We only had a chance once Arsenal were out the picture, because the player would have chosen them over us, not least because he's supposed to have been an Arsenal fan as a kid.
Mike Doyle
275 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:00:50
On the evidence to date I think we can be sure that Marcel has a maximum he won't exceed. He's been operating in this environment too long.

While you can't blame Palace for holding out for the best deal, the issue/risk for them is that if a deal isn't done they could have a seriously pissed off "asset" on their hands.

With Arsenal having invested elsewhere we seem to be the only player left at the table willing/interested to pay a large sum for Wilf. Neither the rest of the Sky 5 or those in Europe who could afford him seem interested.

Let's watch with interest how this one plays out.

Rob Halligan
276 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:03:12
Can't see how it's our fault for waiting until the last minute, and also if it's because of the fee paid for Maguire, when you consider we bid for Zaha last week, and well before any fee was agreed for Maguire.
James Marshall
277 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:08:26
Daniel - we haven't waited till the last minute. This has been going on for weeks now, quite literally, weeks.

Everton don't choose when this stuff happens, it's the same for all clubs - agents and clubs hang on till the last minute to get the most money. It's not the fault of Everton at all.

Kim Vivian
278 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:11:39
I'm torn here.

Is this guy actually worth this amount of dosh or are we simply being creamed? When he seemed to drop off the radar I was not that bothered tbh, and remain to be convinced - almost feels like a near namesake Saha signing. However, if our recruitment team are that keen, I am happy to put my trust with them.

Great if we get him, not the end of the world if we don't as I see it. Would love to see what havoc Keen, Richie and AhaZaha could wreak on a few defenses though!

Phil Greenough
279 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:13:52
I can't understand why we want Zaha, or are hassling Crystal Palace to death, trying to buy him.

As Alexander has said, no other teams want him, as the price is way too high, are Everton going to be suckers like Man Utd and pay way over the odds.

Also, if we do buy him, how long will it be if Zaha is successful, before he spits his dummy out and wants his dream move to wherever?

Everton fans denigrate other teams for swooping in on our players, has that stance changed now? Everton's constant approaches have definitely unsettled Zaha, were we happy when PSG wanted Gueye in January?

Daniel A Johnson
280 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:14:27
Yes its been going on weeks but only because we've been fannying about with low ball plus player bids. Now Utd have done a Merson and ruined the window everyone is using the Maguire price as a yard stick.
James Marshall
281 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:18:37
Daniel - so now that's Everton's fault? That's very fuzzy logic, mate.

Personally I think Everton have handled their transfer business perfectly this window, and will be proven to have done so. We've sold, loaned and bought well so far. We all agree we could do with some cover at centre half, but we also have a decent right-back incoming and have good competition for places and cover in almost all areas.

I think the squad looks good, well balanced and healthier than last season with or without Zaha. Let's face it, not one of us would have expected us to be looking at buying him anyway.

My view is this will go down to the wire, and we will bring in a centre half.

Daniel A Johnson
282 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:19:47
fingers crossed for the center half James M we certainly need one
Iain Latchford
283 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:19:55
So is it £80m plus Tosun and McCarthy, or is £80m value of the whole deal?

If it's the value of the whole deal I'm assuming they don't want Tosun?

Trevor Peers
284 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:20:37
Palace want £80 million ! We would be a laughing stock if we paid that much for a player who will probably only score 5-10 goals a season.

Tell Palace to keep him and move on to someone else before its too late.

Tony Shelby
285 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:20:46
Daniel (280) - How is an offer of over £50m + two players with a combined worth of over £10m "fannying about" never mind a revised offer of £70m + the same two players?!

It's easy to be impatient but let's not criticise Everton for lacking purpose here.

David Pearl
286 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:22:04
I'm expecting him to join us and a deal to be reached by the end of the day.

It doesnt matter who if any other clubs were in for him. Brands and Silva want him and thats that. Chelsea have a ban, Arsenal went for a player they could pay for over years, Utd have enough players they can't work in and the shite are skint.

We have players to sell and to loan to offset the cost, its about shaping the squad to our liking, closing the gap as best we can. We have Brands, we have Moshiri... now coyb

Steve Brown
287 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:23:29
Don’t think £55 or £60 million was a low ball offer. It is his market worth as a very good (but not world class) player. We’ve stretched because everyone can see he will fit our team perfectly, but I don’t think we should go further.

Palace are also giving us a lesson on how to conduct a transfer negotiation. He has been a good club servant but there has been zero sentimentality and a complete focus on doing what is in the interests of the club.

Tony Shelby
288 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:24:07
Trevor (284) - Do you think that we only pursue one player at a time?

I'm almost certain we'll have multiple targets currently being negotiated with.

It's also likely that Palace keep spilling the beans to Sky which is why the narrative is fixed on Zaha.

Steve Ferns
289 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:26:05
This isn't FIFA or Football Manager. We've not been sat around waiting. We've been working hard on this deal, and of course others. In order to go to the levels reported, Everton will have had to consult all kinds of financial experts and of course, Monte Carlo based Moshiri. This can't just be done in an hour. If we are still in for him now, then we either expect to get him or we are being very foolish, and I don't think Don Marcel is a fool.
James Marshall
290 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:39:36
Steve@289

Oh so Everton don't just dip into the cavernous money-pot they keep in the cellar? You mean they have to actually speak to financial institutions to work out the finance of a deal? And the potential upping of said deal as well? Then perhaps work out how to offset said deal against others leaving the club, and so on?

Isn't money funny.

I thought they would just tap tap tap some more numbers onto it, and hey presto! You mean to say running a football club isn't like a computer game at all in fact?

Financial constraints you say? Making deals with other clubs...you mean those clubs might be having a say in this as well? How it's all conducted isn't just down to Everton? Flabbergasted. Thanks, Steve ;-)

Steve Ferns
291 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:44:11
Well James, some seem to think the day the window opens we can buy players like choosing a new shirt off the rail in your favourite high street shop in Liverpool 1. If only it were that easy.
Raymond Fox
292 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:44:29
I don't think it looks like we'll get Zaha or Doucoure, Zaha isn't a £80m player and then you have the Watford factor with Doucoure, but who knows.
I don't give a dam how much they pay for Zaha personally, if Moshiri wants to lash out £80m good luck to him if that's what it takes.
We badly need Zouma or his like but that has gone very quiet now.

There will be one or two surprises late on I fancy though.

Steve Ferns
293 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:46:02
Raymond, is it any coincident that the two players we are chasing hardest, according to reports, are the respective best players of our first two opponents of the season?
Tony Shelby
294 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:48:27
Steve (293) - If it's not a coincidence then it's genius!
Chris James
295 Posted 07/08/2019 at 11:52:47
£30M bid for Alex Iwobi
Think this is us showing Palace we'll go elsewhere? Or a credible bid?
Andy Walker
296 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:00:13
Getting Zaha would be a major turning point for us. Here’s hoping...
Steve Ferns
297 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:00:49
What about "the new David Silva", Rony Lopes. He seems to have got his career back on track at Monaco, although a stellar season was followed up by a disappointing one last term, which is why Monaco are looking to sell him. All the Monaco players had a bad season last season, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

I've not seen a lot of the lad, and always considered him to be a player who played from the wing, like Arteta did, rather than an out and out winger. We've already got one of them in Bernard.

Anyone seen a lot of him and think we should go for him instead? We're linked along with Newcastle who seem very determined to get him. I don't know if we are serious or being used as an "interested party" just to push the price up

David McMullen
298 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:01:20
£100m. Yeah. Think Palace saw 'mug' and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Laurie Hartley
299 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:01:57
Some very compelling arguments for and against this signing.

Jason Broome # 253 almost had me wavering but then I read Tony Everan # 254 and Alexander Murphy # 272.

I thought £65m was too much but £80m+ - I just cant’t come at that.

We have 4 players capable of playing on either wing - Bernard, Richarlison, Kean, and Walcott three of whom can play centrally if Silva needs to mix it up.

Tony’s comment about the part Bernard and Richarlison played defensively last season is the clincher for me.

I asked myself who do we need the most going into this season Zaha or Zouma? Given that I expect Kean to get at least 15 goals my answer is Zouma.

Zouma is 24 - put an offer to Chelsea they can’t refuse.

Craig Walker
300 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:02:35
BBC linking us with Ake at Bournemouth. I've always rated him.
Raymond Fox
301 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:03:58
That's a bit deep Steve 293, I hadn't noticed that.
Tony Everan
302 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:04:35
70m + Jimmy Mac + Cenk on loan is what we are reported to have offered today.

Palace have rejected it.

They are saying they want closer to 100m, they are taking the piss now. Arsenal were looking at 55m as the player's value due to his age.

Walk away time I think.

Jerome Shields
303 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:06:19
Palace must have been given the wrong impression throughout negotiation. £40 million to £80million is some jump. Never liked the tone of this deal throughout.

Aleast they took McCarthy. The problem with Tosun he can't beat his marker and he hasn't got a shot in his locker. Will probably be loaned out.

Looks like it will be a loan move for another Centre Back from Chelsea, the same idea as back up for Mina as last season. Chelsea rarely do loans with buy options.

Lopes may come in the frame if Doucoure doesn't come good. Wouldn't be surprised of late arrived of a Centre Forward, bought or on loan.

Silva obviously doesn't want the midfield overrun as it was last season, at times.

Steve Ferns
304 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:06:55
Craig, Ake would cost massive money and I'm not sure he's worth it. He's only small for a centre-back, 6 inches shorter than Mina. Do you think he's worth it?
Marc Hints
305 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:11:50
news coming out now we have moved on from Zaha and offered £30 million for Alex Owobi
Steve Ferns
306 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:12:04
Elton Welsby on Twitter

A name for those of us well into their 30s. Anyway, he said the following:
"Sidibe will sign before Zaha,who has had a change of heart being hugely impressed with Everton's ambition,particularly with the signing of Kean.
Top class source."

Elton Welsby as an ITK guy on twitter? Weird.

Steve Ferns
307 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:14:49
Marc, that's a Jim White tweet, as mentioned above. Is this inside info from Moshiri? Or is he a pawn to try to get Palace to stop playing hardball?
Alexander Murphy
308 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:15:51
I've seen ridiculous reports regarding Zaha "Everton in £100M deal".

So, what could possibly add up to £100M ?

McCarthy's transfer fee plus wages in a contract ?
£10M ?

Cenk Tosun, same.
£25M, maybe £30M ?

So, James & Cenk are "Trade Ons".

Even My basic arithmetic can see that almost £40M of such a "deal scenario" would mean that Zaha transfer + wages + "trade Ons" could rapidly add up to £100M.

Journalists write shite to catch your eye, not to reveal the truth. The seekers of "truth & justice", in the world of journalism are one in a generation.
Think Pele, Maradonna, not Brett Angell and Per Kroldrupp.

Marc Hints
309 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:16:45
Hi Steve, just seen a few on twitter saying the same thing and Jim White as you say. Who knows hey, not sure I trust Jim White though.
Steve Ferns
310 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:18:33
Alexander, Paul Pogba moved from Juventus to Man Utd for £100m. Juve pocketed less than half, less than Raiola got. You've left the agent out. It's easy to see how it could get to £100m, after the agent's fees are taken into account.
Marc Hints
311 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:20:38
Goodness me just seen on sky now Man Utd turned us down for Chris smalling on loan.
Craig Walker
312 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:21:33
Steve @304 - I don't think any of 'em are worth it if I'm honest. I think he'd be better for us than Mina though - I still have reservations about him. The money's gone beyond anything that's reasonable now.

I remember my dear old dad being outraged that we were paying £2.5 million for Tony Cottee. He was also displeased when I asked him whether I could go and watch us against Arsenal one Tuesday night during the season we signed Beardsley. I think it was our first home game that season. When I told him it was £9 to get on the Street End because it was all-seater instead of £4 he talked me out of it - "£9!!!?" I wonder what he'd think of Harry Maguire for £80 million.

Liam Reilly
313 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:21:42
Saw that Marc, for once I hope sky are Spot on!

Awful player even as as stop gap. Rather see Gibson given a go.

Gordon Crawford
314 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:22:32
We won’t be signing Zaha, as palace would need to find a replacement asap and they also want a £100m.
Dermot O'Brien
315 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:24:59
I would have loved for Zaha to join us but he is not the Alpha and the Omega. It is a massive gamble to spend £60+ million on any one player regardless of the current transfer market. While Brands has already done some great deals I would expect him to be walking away from this one. £60-85m for Zaha is a Walsh-Koeman type of deal and Palace can do one. Brands is here to stop those kinds of deals. I hope that this is all smokescreen and he is working on bringing in a few surprises.
Marc Hints
316 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:25:03
Yes me to Liam thats certainly dodging a bullet
Steve Ferns
317 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:28:14
I don't rate Smalling. Not at all. But an awful lot of good managers, from Alex Ferguson to Louis Van Gaal do. Successive England managers too. Maybe I'm wrong and we're wrong and he's actually a good defender?
Ian Bennett
318 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:29:15
Bid in for Iwobi - and a rejected loan offer for Smalling - both via SSN.

Looking desperate at Goodison Park.

Brent Stephens
319 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:29:24
Arsenal reject Iwobi bid
Michael Lynch
320 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:29:37
I'd take Iwobi. When he came on at Goodison he was their only player who seemed to give a shit, and he gave us hell down the wing. Only 23 too.
Andrew Keatley
321 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:31:22
Iwobi would be a good signing - regularly underused in favour of bigger names at Arsenal. He wouldn't light the touch-paper in the same way Zaha certainly would, but he's a graceful, disciplined, hard-working footballer with a lot of quality with the ball at his feet.
Michael Lynch
322 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:31:41
To be fair, Arsenal were never going to accept the bid were they? If these rumours are true, we seem to be going from club to club asking if they'd like sell us a player please? Bit worrying but I'm sure it's just media bollocks - we may well have a Christmas List of what we want, and are just testing the water with all of them.
Kunal Desai
323 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:34:05
Don't believe anything on Shite sports news or talk shite. Thats what both do. Talk shite.
Andrew Keatley
324 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:34:07
The Ake interest surely won't go anywhere. He'd cost north of £50 million for sure.
Steve Ferns
325 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:34:28
Yeah, we don't know how much of any of this is true. We have to take the journo's and the twitterati at their word. Rmemeber Brands as the one making the bids now, not Walsh, and so we can rest a bit easier (still no centre-back Marcel!) as he is yet to put a foot wrong since he arrived.
Chris Gould
326 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:37:12
Zaha has not participated in Palace's pre-season. He's made it clear that he wants to go and surely Palace will know that they can't keep a pissed off player. They seem to be moving the goal posts with their demands and that will piss him off even more. I think he'll come, but Palace need to get a huge fee and fight to the end to placate their fans. Even they will accept that they fought hard to keep him. We all accepted that Gueye wanted to go and that the club didn't really have a choice but to allow him to leave. Palace must realise the same thing. Also, they've known the entire summer that he wanted to leave, so they can't now claim that they don't have time to replace him. I expect they have a replacement lined up who will be bought as soon as we sign Zaha.

It appears that both Palace and Watford don't wish to let their best players come to us because they can't accept that we are a bigger club with far more ambition and potential than themselves. That's certainly the case with Watford.

Rob Halligan
327 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:39:26
United reject smalling loan bid (TGFT), and Arsenal reject iwobi bid. I smell fear from some of the so called big six teams regarding Everton this season.
James Marshall
328 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:40:30
Personally I reckon Palace have fucked themselves in a way now. Zaha will be seriously lacking in motivation after being priced out of a move away. Palace stated they would listen to 'reasonable offers' for him over the summer and they haven't.

If it's true we've offered £70m plus Tosun & Macca, that's more than fucking reasonable.

Piss take.

Steve Hewitt
329 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:41:12
I Think you are spot on Dermot - 315. This thread started with an article saying we were turned down with £50mil, but we were looking at £65Mill - that seemed too much, now we are looking at £100 Mill. There are some class players out there that may come for that money - but please - not Zaha,

Kunai mentioned Lozano, we've been linked with Neres, what about Everton - it is probably too late to get these guys now but this is a longer term project, we don't need to panic buy.

Zaha at £60 mill - OK, but £100Mill? - Palace are trying to pull our pants down. I reckon Marcel will have a back up plan so let's see what happens over the next day or so.

CB is still the priority for me and a direct striker. Kean will be great but he's 19 and can't be expected to fix our scoring situation on his own.

James Marshall
330 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:41:40
Also, I agree with Rob@327, there's fear from the top 4 or 6 about the way we're building. They know we're the next in line threat to the order of things.

Graham Coldron
331 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:44:08
Arsenal were bound to reject the offer as it's normal negotiating practice to always refuse the first offer.Also the so called experts on SSN and Talk Shite are no different from us really in the sense they know diddly squat most of the time.
Michael Lynch
332 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:45:47
Yes I agree Palace have shot themselves in the foot if they turn down our massive offer. Zaha wants out, and he'll be more than happy to go to a European CL club after our window closes, and probably for closer to £40m than £80m.
Andrew Keatley
333 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:46:09
Interesting that Bournemouth have signed Wilson on loan from Liverpool. That's two wingers in (Danjuma and Wilson), and one out (Marc Pugh).

Maybe Ryan Fraser - into the last 12 months of his contract - is primed to leave.

Kunal Desai
334 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:50:00
Do people really think we are interested in Smalling and Iwobi?
We are looking at bringing in a similar calibre of players like Bernard, Mina, Gomes and Zouma who all arrived on deadline day.
The media is spouting shite out as usual. I expect we will bring in quality tomorrow and it won't be those two.
Kunal Desai
335 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:50:00
Do people really think we are interested in Smalling and Iwobi?
We are looking at bringing in a similar calibre of players like Bernard, Mina, Gomes and Zouma who all arrived on deadline day.
The media is spouting shite out as usual. I expect we will bring in quality tomorrow and it won't be those two.
James Marshall
336 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:51:55
Hard to say, Kunal. One thing that is clear, is that Silva wasn't taking the piss when he said we were after more players.

Next 24hrs is going to be a bit of a whirlwind I reckon.

Daniel A Johnson
337 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:53:56
If we don't land Zaha this window then Palace can kiss goodbye to their big pay day as he will leave for much less in the next summer window, plus they would have had him sulking the gaff out for a season.
Chris James
338 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:54:52
There really is no pleasing some people is there.
For years these forums are filled with relentless moaning about lack of activity or unambitious targets, now we're investing in genuine 'CL quality players' its all moaning about 'desperate bids' and 'x not worth y', etc.

Silva and Brands wants 2 (central def + right wing), maybe 3 (central mid) more and he has a list he's working down. Its not like we don't already have a team that can compete, we're just a bit light (especially central def).

They have been steadily working on targets and in 4 cases already have got their man (Sidibe set to join soon). The only problems seem to come with the Premier League...with ludicrous price expectations and 'politics' getting involved over basic sensible business.
E.g. Palace not accepting £70M for Zaha (a player who's only going to be worth less over time and who clearly wants to go) and Arsenal not taking £30M for someone who is a fringe player at best.

Who gives two figs if we get

Michael Mcloughlin
339 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:55:48
What I can’t understand is if we are prepared to buy Zaha for £50 plus million then why are we not going for Neres or Lozano ?
Kim Vivian
340 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:56:43
Not being funny but we could (hypothetically) have Lukaku for £79m. Lukaku or Zaha? who would we prefer?
Steve Ferns
341 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:57:22
Moise Kean
Rob Halligan
342 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:02
Daniel, I agree with you, but as Michael # 332, says, once our window shuts tomorrow, the other big European league's window remains open for anything between 2 - 4 weeks, and I can see Saba moving abroad for half the palace valuation. I think I the ball is firmly in our court here.
Michael Lynch
343 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:06
we certainly seem to be getting better value from the French and Italian leagues than the Premier League. Are there really no wingers in Europe we can buy? I know you get the "tried and tested" premium if you buy from the PL, but Iwobi - though I rate him - hasn't set the world on fire at Arsenal; in fact most Gooners seem to be ready to drive him to Goodison themselves. Not sure £30m+ is good value for a younger Theo Walcott actually.
James Stewart
344 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:31
Lozano is off to Napoli for 40m. Brands will be well aware of that so there must be still another option in the pipeline. Just praying it isn't Iwobi!
Fran Mitchell
345 Posted 07/08/2019 at 12:59:49
People criticising palace for rejecting bids that don't meet their asking price for their best player have a word with yourselves

Be like those saying Everton were wrong to reject the 20 mil bid for gana in January, or we should have accepted the first bids we received for Stones and Lukaku.

If you don't think he's worth what they want ok but they think they'd rather have him than the money we are offering, good for them

Jerome Shields
346 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:00:46
I don't the Smalling story, next thing it will be Rojo. Zaha deal may materialise. Palace are taking a boundary position and Everton are walking away. The deal is somewhere in between. Could be as suggested McCarthy is part of the deal. The good thing that has happened is that Players see Everton as a career choice. Apparently Everton have bid for Luiz.
Daniel A Johnson
347 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:01:29
Rob cant see palace turning down £70M and then accepting £40M a few weeks later fromam foreign club. If they did that tehy woudl get slaughtered.,

I think some of this is just premiership clubs being jealous of us and being dicks. Also the top 6 will be less receptive to us now we have designs on pinching their league placing. We are a threat to them now.

Darren Murphy
348 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:01:41
@338 Michael, my thoughts exactly man.
Daniel A Johnson
349 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:02:12
Dos the Smalling bid mean Zouma deal is dead?
Kim Vivian
350 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:02:35
Not quite sure why Sky have to be showing the TDD countdown in 100ths second. It's hardly F1is it?
Nicholas Ryan
351 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:05:17
Re: Zaha; to me, the question is not 'is he worth it?' but 'Have we got the money?'. If we have, then just pay up, take a deep breath, and hope he has a stellar season!

By the way, I think he would. He has shone, in a team where basically, he's been a one man band. Imagine how much better he might be, if he is sharing the burden with Richarlison, Bernard, and Kean!

Rob Halligan
352 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:06:05
Daniel, yeah maybe half their valuation was a bit dramatic, but anything less than their valuation would not look good for Palace.
Steve Ferns
353 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:06:41
Neres has supposedly signed a new contract (unconfirmed on the official site of Ajax), yet Man Utd and Napoli are bidding in the region of £40-50m for him. Ajax rejected the bids on the basis of the new contract. Of course it's all speculation, but Everton could divert the Zaha money into the Neres fund and jump the gun on these two, but I would expect the player would have other ideas.

I'd prefer Neres to Zaha, for what it's worth.

Mike Doyle
354 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:09:33
Probably not worth calling Steve Parish this afternoon - or tomorrow - he'll be tied up speaking to Wilf's (angry) agent.
James Stewart
355 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:11:02
@353 Or even better divert the money to Ziyech, exactly what Silva wants, a left footed winger.

In other news, Praet off to Leicester for 20m, which is a bargain. They are building a very good side.

Rob Halligan
356 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:12:48
The red echo are now reporting the following:

"Zaha is said to be fuming after club promised they would accept "reasonable offers" for him last summer. Now holding out for move to a European club"

I can see Zaha handing in a transfer request either today or early tomorrow morning to force through a transfer.

Tony Everan
357 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:13:33
Iwobi and Zaha are predominately wide players from what I've seen of them, Iwobi has had most of his starts on the left. Bernard is about to be put under a lot of pressure to keep his place.
Chris Gould
358 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:14:53
Suddenly feeling a little deflated. It feels like we are looking at our C list now.
Not given up hope yet, but these latest reports are a little desperate.
Iain Latchford
359 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:20:39
Ziyech seems to be one that's a bit under the radar. Available (apparently) for around £30m. Looks class whenever I've seen him.

Can play on both sides and down the middle. Seems great business to me.

Rob Halligan
360 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:21:19
Talk we will increase the offer for Iwobi.
Brian Williams
361 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:21:34
Theyre only desperate if you believe 'em.
James Stewart
362 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:24:10
@359 He is Iain. I don't understand why we haven't gone for him. Would have him over Zaha or Neres anyday.

80 odd million for Zaha is just reckless.

Tony Everan
363 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:25:07
Iwobi for 30m+ ?

Fuck me he hasn't really kicked on at all for Arsenal and is a fringe player, 30m seems far too much. Are we just trying to force Palace's hand?

Steve Ferns
364 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:27:08
Iain and James, whilst I agree, I would defer to Brands' judgement on Ziyech. He'd surely know him inside out.
Jason Broome
365 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:29:09
Rob @327

I think you're right. Klopp has raised concerns regarding our ambition and I'm loving it.

Richard Cusworth
366 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:29:54
If what we read is true, today is becoming a bit of a kick in the teeth. It looks like there is real intent to have a go and seize the momentum... Failure to make Europe again and our prized assets will likely leave so I applaud the ambition. Unfortunately failure to land some of our top targets has exposed our spending power and made others more wary. Also we now seem to be going for options 2 and 3 on the list and at what point do they think we'll I wasn't first choice. Really difficult one for Brands & Co. Thankfully we have never been in better hands so if it can be done I'm sure they will. Centre Back for me is an absolute must before end of play tomorrow. Won't be Zouma now but has to be someone quality. The other positions would be a bonus but not at expense of spending cash on second best.
Dermot Byrne
367 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:33:12
Just saw Sky sports news on Sky News. In footy bit we were in 80% of headlines.

So we aren't ignored considering we are a just above mid table team recently.

The stadium, transfers so far, EitC (which has more PR value than many may think imho), coupled with an obviously better PR team seems to force their agenda.

The Prof in charge and Owner doing well. This is start of a great new age methinks.Link

Chris Gould
368 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:34:08
Brian, the Iwobi bid appears real. Multiple sources, including a few respected-ish sites.
It certainly appears desperate when considering who we've been after.
Grant Rorrison
369 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:36:02
Iwobi?!? Jesus Christ. Confirmation if it were needed Everton are still a joke.
Dan Brierley
370 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:40:03
Palace won't be selling Zaha to us without a ridiculous fee, as we are both competing for the same thing which is 6th or 7th. They'll be much happier to see him go to a European club, even for less money. If we are going to spend upwards of 50 million, it should be on a 20+ goal per season player than a 10-15 max.


Frank Boyle
371 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:42:08
Mundo Deportivo report that the Zaha deal is done. £95 million, 5 year contract, Wilf pockets £6 million per season...They do add the rider that the deal has yet to be confirmed officially.
Laurie Hartley
372 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:43:18
Time to shop in another supermarket.
Take a close look at the goal and celebration at 5:20 in.

Rony Lopez

No club in the premier league is going to help strengthen us - we have become a threat.

Dermot Byrne
373 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:43:45
Grant #369: I think you are v wrong. I think we have made some fantastic signings. The best joke is we may have done them for reasonable, but not outlandish stupid amounts. Joke is not on us.
Ryan Holroyd
374 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:44:02
Palace aren't competing for 6th or 7th. Haha
Fran Mitchell
375 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:48:16
Not a clue about Iwobi anyone know if he's any good? Is he really highly rated?

Can't remember ever seeing him play, but we all say we want Brands to find talent that is under the radar is Iwobi that?

Jason Broome
376 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:49:30
Iwobi has no end product and is considered by Arsenal fans to be as effective as Walcott. Lots of speed, with clever touches but little else.

I'm surrounded by Arsenal fans and they laughed at me when we signed Walcott. The problems he had with the Arsenal fans we now have here. I trust there judgement.

Hatem Ben Arfa is available on a free, played out of his skin last year and would give Palace time to find a suitable replacement for Zaha.

Pissing Zaha off will only result in him throwing a tantrum, destabilizing the dressing room, playing substandard football and leaving for a reduced fee.

£100 Million is foolish (even for me). I'm expecting a transfer request today.

Fran Mitchell
377 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:50:22
Palace know that without Zaha, they could well get relegated. That in itself is worth 100m.

They won't have time to reinvest the money, so that has pushed the price evens further.

Rob Halligan
378 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:50:46
Grant, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but were we a joke when we signed the most wanted teenager / striker in Italian and European football. Besides, who's to say the rumour of Iwobi is genuine?
Kim Vivian
379 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:51:02
Ryan - spot on. Palace are competing to stay up.
We will struggle to get anyone off a close rival (which Palace are not) for fear of bettering them, but with the pissed off vibe coming from the Zha camp, I can see this happening.
And (off topic) I fear that Saturday will be a typical first game anti-climax. Hope not as I'm going but not sure if we will see any of our newbies sadly.
Steve Ferns
380 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:51:13
Fran, the arsenal fans I know rate him as highly as they did Walcott. No, not the younger version of Walcott, but the one they sold us. So, no, not very highly at all.
Simon Dalzell
381 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:52:54
Inside Futbol have just said that we are after Arsenal Winger. I'm happy with Marco Silva for now.
Grant Rorrison
382 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:57:28
Rob 378. The 'most wanted' ? Who did we beat off for his signature? I read that United didn't want him and Arsenal couldn't guarantee him game time so he came here. Rooney circa 2004 he ain't. Let's not also forgot that his club were only to happy to sell 'the most wanted striker in european football' and even waivered a buy-back clause. Doesn't really add up for me.
Andrew Keatley
383 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:58:55
I fully expect that Palace will have a contingency in place. They must be prepared to sell Zaha this window.
Kevin Prytherch
384 Posted 07/08/2019 at 13:59:34
Has anyone considered that the bid for Iwobi is simply trying to force Palaces hand?

We’re saying that, we’re not going any higher for Zaha so we’ll look elsewhere, Palace think “shit, we’ve turned down £70million and are going to be left with a player who wants to leave”, suddenly on Friday they come back to the table and say “go on then, we’ll accept your bid”.

Fran Mitchell
385 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:00:19
Another walcott we dom't need.

Why not bid 50 for Everton Cebolinha? The lad is class, the right position and we have 2 Brazilians already here to help him adapt.

Kieran Kinsella
386 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:01:22
Iwobi would be like Tom cleverly. Warm body not an upgrade
Andrew Keatley
387 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:01:28
(384) Friday is too late, Kevin...pay attention.
Steve Ferns
388 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:07:05
Grant, Juve are completely bonkers. They are letting Daniele Rugani go as he can't get games so they can play Chiellini and Bonucci. Fair enough, you make think, but consider the ages. Chiellini is about to celebrate his 35th birthday in just a few days time and Bonucci is 32. Rugani was 3rd choice and was pushed down to 4th choice by the arrival of De Ligt, who is superb. But surely, you'd keep Rugani and let one of the two older guys leave?

Also, they're letting Joao Cancelo leave to join Man City and that makes no sense at all. They'll only have de Sciglio who could play right back. The club seem to have gone very short sighted and seem to be going for broke on winning the Champions League this coming season and have complete disregard for their future.

Moise Kean is the hottest prospect in Serie A, and one of the hottest in Europe. but he made it clear he must play every game, and other clubs were not in position to offer him what we could.

Steve Ferns
389 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:09:14
Fran, you should know better than me, but is Everton Soares not owned by lots of different investment companies and so trying to sign the lad was just too difficult for interested parties. We have to own him 100% for him to play in the Premier League. That's the reason why he's staying put for now. Expect someone to sort that out and then he will get sold properly.
Martin Nicholls
390 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:09:21
Most notable thing about Iwobi is that he's the only player in Arsenal's history who doesn't have any of the letters A,R,S,E,N,A,L in his surname!
Sam Hoare
391 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:10:12
I think many people underrate Iwobi! He creates alot of chances for Arsenal and is very versatile. He's also very experienced in the PL for someone who's just turned 23. It's not a signing i'd be thrilled by but I do think that he would surprise a few of you.

If they want £40m though I can't see it happening.

Pat Kelly
392 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:11:26
I stay believe we'll sign neither Zaha not Doucoure for the ridiculous money we're being asked for them. I don't see Brands as another spendthrift Koeman. A couple of loan deals we don't expect is much more likely.
Steve Ferns
393 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:11:47
After Zaha and Malcom, he just lacks the X Factor, Sam. That and I can't meet an arsenal fan with a good word to say about him. It knid of puts me off, even if he's always looked alright whenever I've seen him.
Kieran Kinsella
394 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:12:39
There’s nothing to suggest Palace truly value Zaha at 100 million (eg 33 McCarthys) I suspect it’s more a case of not wanting to sell so they slap on a prohibitive price tag that no one will pay. They tell him “well we didn’t get a reasonable offer” but in truth it’s more like the Martinez stance with Stones and Chelsea in my opinion
Andrew Clare
395 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:15:41
Please don’t even consider Smalling, Iwobi etc.
Buy from South America and Europe. Premier League players are over priced. Zaha would have made a massive difference to us and that is the calibre of player we should be aiming for. Not EPL squad players.
It’s been an excellent window so far don’t ruin it Everton.
Andrew Clare
396 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:15:42
Please don’t even consider Smalling, Iwobi etc.
Buy from South America and Europe. Premier League players are over priced. Zaha would have made a massive difference to us and that is the calibre of player we should be aiming for. Not EPL squad players.
It’s been an excellent window so far don’t ruin it Everton.
Sam Hoare
397 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:17:01
Steve, he's certainly no Zaha or Malcom but I certainly think he's better than most Arsenal fans give him credit for. Would not have been high up my wishlist but he's still very young and knows the league very well. he works hard and makes alot of good passes into the final 3rd. I can see why Brands might like him if the price is right. Not sure who the alternatives are at this point? Traore? Lozano? Neres? Ziyech? Fraser?
Michael Lynch
398 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:18:51
Agree with all of the stuff about Arsenal fans laughing when we signed Walcott - what they described was exactly what we got. The same Arsenal fans are saying the same sort of thing about Iwobi. Having said that, my own eyes saw him play superbly against us when he came on as a sub at Goodison but I seem to remember that he did sky a great chance into the Park End...

Also agree that Juve are going nuts in the pursuit of jam today, fuck tomorrow. I can't believe they let us buy Kean. Why not loan him out? If we managed to hold our nerve and insist on a sale with them, then I have no doubt that our negotiating team are much, much better than in the Koeman/Walsh era

Sam Hoare
399 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:18:55
It sounds like Zaha may have to hand in a transfer request now for the move to happen. Surely we will not bid more than £70m?
Chris James
400 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:20:33
Kevin (384) I definitely thought that when I first heard it. Can't see Iwobi as a smart investment.

Surprised we're not interested in Drinkwater on loan (as cover).

Paul Williams
401 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:21:01
Alex Iwobi for circa £30-35 million pounds may not be a bad deal if the rumours are true. He seems to fit the profile of player that we are currently interested in i.e 19-25 years old, quick, strong, good potential could possibly be a young, cheaper Zaha?

People saying that he has no end product well he's started 44 league games for Arsenal in the last two seasons and has been involved in 17 league goals ( 6 goals, 11 assists) and has a goal involvement every 3/4 games over his career. A better end product than Gomes or Bernard (both players that I do like by the way) he may not be such a bad option.
Michael Lynch
402 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:22:30
Anyway, with regards to outrageous transfer fees, aren't Siggi and particuarly Richarlison looking like reasonable value now? Amazing how it's moved on. Assuming it carries on inflating, then £80m for Zaha might look okay in a year or two? And Kean and Gbamin will look like incredible bargains.
Sam Hoare
403 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:26:05
Michael@401, Richarlison fee looks good because if we sell him in the next few years we almost certainly make nearly double what he cost. Sigurdsson fee not so much; we paid £45m for a player who probably is now worth £20m and he has not moved us up the league at all. That's why resale value is an issue!
Rob Halligan
404 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:26:17
Maybe clutching at straws a bit here, but I wonder if Palace are holding out to sell us Zaha until after midday tomorrow? Premier league rules state that in order for a transferred player to play for his new club, then he must be registered by noon the day before the first game in a forthcoming round of matches. As the RS play Norwich on Friday, this means all players who want to play in Saturday must be registered by noon tomorrow. I would imagine that Palace wouldn't want Zaha coming back for the first game of the new season and destroying them.
Colette Black
405 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:28:50
I hope the supposed Iwobi bid is purely posturing.

We don't need any more damp squibs.

Iain Latchford
406 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:29:25
Rob, I don't think Zaha would play against Palace regardless of when/if he signs.
Kieran Kinsella
407 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:30:19
Michael 401

I think we're actually seeing a bit of a market reset. Few years back the likes of Raoila pushed wages/fees up too much too quickly. Consequently, the likes of Lukaku, Neymar, Pogba and Coutinho are all in limbo now, demanding transfers but no one has the money or the will to even pay what they cost 2/3 years ago. In the same vein, we have been hamstrung by big contracts for the likes of Niasse, Bolasie and Schneiderlin. The reset hasn't taken full effect yet, hence Maguire. But, I think we're in the midst of it. I would hate to be the last joker holding the 100 million baby.

John Mckay
408 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:31:55
Maybe the iwobi bid is a bid on CP behalf for when they sell us Zaha :)

But not on Friday like someone mentioned because that would be a day late 🤔

Paul Williams
409 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:37:22
If the model that Brands is aiming to achieve in buying players that are primarily under 25 and underrated by their clubs i.e Gomes, Mina, Digne or virtual unknowns in England Gbamin and are affordable why not?? Iwobi may not be a household name now but not every player is a Rooney, Owen, Lukaku, Kean type teenage prodigy. Maybe it's better to bid now while he's relatively cheap, or maybe the club have other deals for the wide forwards positions lined up.
Jason Broome
410 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:37:27
Sound logic Rob. @403

Sam @ 402

The resale thing makes sense however I would hope that we are buying players for the long haul. We need a squad of players that are quality, settled and improving.

Richarlison appears happy here and I would hope that Kean will be to. As with Arteta and Cahill I would hope that they have their best years of football with us for most of their footballing careers.

Bobby Thomas
411 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:41:44
Michael #401

Spot on with Richarlison, who is probably worth double.

As for Sig, I like him and we will see the best of him now he has a genuine striker to feed. But he wasn't value, £45 million was a very heavy fee for a 28 year old without a track record of being an absolutely top class player. We overpaid, big time.

John Pierce
412 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:43:06
Palace are playing a very dangerous game. This is likely to be Zaha’s high water mark.

If they rebuff the suitors willing to pay the most they’ll have a player who wants out and will be pretty pissed. A depreciating asset and a very real chance they will get relegated this season.

Relegation would destroy his value, Zaha was an idiot to sign a fresh contract last summer.

Time to walk away and let them rot.

Fran Mitchell
413 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:47:51
Yes Steve, the only reason I can think for the lack of movement towards Cebolinha is the group of partasite 'businessmen' that own up to 40% of his rights.

Still worth a punt.

Andrew Keatley
414 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:49:44
Sam (402) - I agree that £45 million for Sigurdsson doesn't exactly look like great value, but in the two years that he has been with us he has often been strangely effective. That first year of Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce was essentially a total write-off. Last year under Silva his goal and assist returns were at least on the healthy side. I'm not sure there are any players on the planet who could have come in and been responsible for getting us into the top six over the last two seasons - and certainly none that were on the market for under £50 million in the summer of 2017.
Andrew Keatley
415 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:55:14
Also, with Sigurdsson gone, Swansea were then relegated - so in many ways the £45 million fee turned out to be a worse deal for them.
Daniel A Johnson
416 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:55:55
In todays market Siggy is easily Worth £45M especially if Wan-Bissaka goes for £55m and Alex Iwobi is North of £30M

I just don't get the constant criticism of Siggy on here it baffles me.

Sam Hoare
417 Posted 07/08/2019 at 14:57:36
Andrew (412), yeah he has been effective and no, there's probably no player we could have got who would have single-handedly got us to 6th under those managers.

But it was (and still is) alot of money to pay for someone to come in whose value is only going to drop and is not obviously in your best 3 or so players (in my opinion). We overpaid for him by about £10-15m so i'm not sure he's a great example of good value.

Michael Lynch
418 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:02:14
Yes, Siggi was bought under the previous regime which wanted ready-made solutions. In those circumstances Siggi was reasonably priced, especially compared with how much a player like him would cost from a relegation-threatened PL team now. But no, he's not a player we would probably buy under the Brands regime - the target is under-26 year olds to whom we can add value. The only older players bought will be the likes of Delph who cost very little money. Zaha fits somewhere between these models - about to turn 27, he is at his peak and there is no value to be added. He would be bought not for future sale but for what he can do now.
Bobby Thomas
419 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:11:59
We signed Sigurdsson 2 years ago, not now, and at the time, the fee was way overboard for his talent, the level of player he is, and what he'd achieved in the game. And most importantly, his age.

I have no problem going heavy on the fee for a talented player under 25 or 26 years old (Zaha is at the very limit, btw). Even if it goes tits up, you make most of the money back. I just thought we got our pants pulled down a bit on the Sigurdsson deal, especially as we appeared to be the only club bidding and started at £25 million. Put it like this, I don't think Brands would have done the deal.

When rumours about Henry leaving Arsenal popped up, he was 28 years old and Barca were getting told £30 million. He did one more year, he was 29 when he left and he went for £18 million. Beyond 28 years old, an attacking player's value generally drops like a stone. The reason for that is the player isn't really going to get any better and is considered to have peaked.

Swansea City drilled us on that deal. We paid £45 million for a player who's now already 30. Dead money. I re-iterate, I like him, I think he's a very good footballer. But it was poor business by an over-promoted scout (Walsh) masquerading as a DoF.

Paul Williams
420 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:13:54
I was hoping that we would sign one of Neres, Malcom, Traroe, Zaha etc and was underwhelmed to see us linked with Iwobi and that fact that a lot of Arsenal fans wouldn't shed a tear at his departure made it even stranger that we bid for him. But he does seem to have some good stats backing him up, if you dig a little deeper. Still not a top choice of mine but I wouldn't be too disappointed if we got him; I think he could surprise us.

Looks like we're going to go with a 4-4-3 in a lot of games this season. I reckon the defensive midfielder – or "positional" midfielder as Silva called him – will be filled by Gbamin and the two offensive midfield positions by Gomes and, if not Doucuoure, then Kessie or other. The backups being Schneiderlin for Gbamin and Delph and Davies for the two other postitions. In a 4-2-3-1, Sigurdsson would come in for one of the offensive midfielders.

Daniel A Johnson
421 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:14:29
So from Zaha & Zouma to Iwobi & Smalling... pin to a balloon.
Jason Broome
422 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:18:26
Arsenal fans are baffled as to why Arsenal have turned down £30 Million for Iwobi.

One going as far as to say they would drive him to us themselves another saying they would take £10-15 Million. Anything above that is a miracle.

And this gem... "Sell useless Iwobi and sign Upamecano idiots @Arsenal."

Say's it all really.

Michael Lynch
423 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:22:18
Well if we pay £40m for Iwobe, or indeed over £80m for Zaha, I'd wonder if Brands has abandoned his plan of targetting emerging brilliance for future value. Delph made sense as a leadership-figure and cost buttons. Kean is a very Brands acquisition as is Gbamin and Gomes... but our rumoured activity today seems way out of step with the new system.
Sam Hoare
424 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:26:25
I have a lot of faith in Brands but I'm beginning to suspect that he's not played this transfer window perfectly.

Waiting late can sometimes see players' values drop but with Zaha I think it's pushing it up as they have no time to find replacements. And now we are slightly scrabbling for alternatives like yesteryear. We've waited all window for Zouma and now have two key positions to fill in the last day. Let's see what rabbit he has in his hat.

Sam Hoare
425 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:30:35
Sky saying Zaha has handed in transfer request!
James Marshall
426 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:30:42
BREAKING NEWS

Wilfried Zaha has handed in a transfer request at Crystal Palace.

Everton have tried to sign Zaha but have seen a bid of £70m plus James McCarthy and Cenk Tosun rejected by Palace.

Chris James
427 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:31:13
I think we have to have a little more faith in Brands than is being displayed here.

There's definitely some panic going on, but I'd suggest its not in the Blues transfer HQ.

Michael Lynch
428 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:33:09
Zaha "fuck that, they're bidding for every winger in London now, I'd better get me transfer in before the Mighty Blues change their mind! AGENT! GET ME TO GOODISON!"
Mike Doyle
429 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:33:24
Sam it usually happens this way. The Clubs & player agents will hang on as long as possible to check out the level of interest.
Marcel will have a list of targets but there are many other influencing factors at work.
Similarly we will have been holding back on decisions involving players we wish to move on.
The days of Harry Catterick doing quiet deals in motorway service stations are long gone.
Mark Tanton
430 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:36:38
Apparently he has warmed to the prospect (very wise Georgie, very wise) after observing our transfer activity and the new stadium.
John Mckay
431 Posted 07/08/2019 at 15:39:22
How has brands gone mad and been a bad window?

Getting zaha is for the here and now to improve our team.
Even if we lost £60m selling him on for 20m in 4years time we'd have had his best 4 years on paper.

Then wed make money off of other players to it balances it out.

Fed up of reading in here Everton going mad, if there is money to spend, spend it.

I want to be entertained for once as an Everton fan, see liverpool last couple seasons pains me because I hate to say it, are an incredible team, the football is usually entertaining. I want some of that being an Everton supporter. Forget the cost just sign sign sign, just not the shite we got 2017 season Ramirez, rooney, klassen all too slow!

I want to see us win the ball back in defence and smash teams on the counter with blistering pace and skill.
Cant wait for this season, I just hope we land zaha and he doesn't disappoint.

Zouma is a big loss but we can get by with what we've got there, I'd prefer not to sign Iwobi and Smalling just a waste of cash.

Wouldn't even want smalling playing if united was paying us to play him he is pure gash!

Jason Broome
432 Posted 07/08/2019 at 17:04:15
John McKay

Fully agree.

If we don't get Zouma so be it. Tomori is a very good replacement and will surprise a few. We can pursue Zouma next time.

I want to be entertained. Just for one year let me decorate my life with all things Everton.

There aren't many Zaha types out there as we have found out today (Iwobi FFS). This is why his signing is important and potentially transformational to our style of play.

If there is money to be spent and trophies to be won I want us making the headlines.

Pat Kelly
433 Posted 07/08/2019 at 17:39:31
I'm having a medical tonight. I'm expecting a late bid from Everton.
Gordon Crawford
434 Posted 07/08/2019 at 17:46:42
It’s been reported that Arsenal are back in for Zaha now that he has handed in a transfer request.
And it’s also reported that Arsenal want £55 million for Iwobi.
Just getting stupid now.
I smell a rat though in all of this. If we buy Iwobi then Arsenal will just use that money to buy Zaha.
Michael Lynch
435 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:04:31
Gordon, if Arsenal are willing to pay £80m he goes there, but I can't see any situation in which we would pay £55m for Iwobi.
Gordon Crawford
436 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:14:11
I hope not Michael. Iwobi is a talented boy but no more than £20m.
Ed Fitzgerald
437 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:33:43
This Zaha saga is a joke he is massively overrated and his statistics prove it. A showboat player who is a diver and goes missing in many games. The fee (s) being suggested are madness Zaha doesn’t want to come here he wants a big pay day. I hope we walk away from this and tell Palace and their obnoxious chairman to fuck off.

People slagging off Bernard and Siggy - did you go the game last season?) -get a grip of yourselves both were excellent and worked their bollocks off for the team. We need a centre half that is the priority.

Mark Tanton
438 Posted 07/08/2019 at 18:38:08
I’m guessing you don’t want his name on your shirt Ed?!

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