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Silva eyeing Frankfurt striker Paciência

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Everton are said to be looking at Gonçalo Paciência as a potential target for the January transfer window.

According to Record in Portugal, Marco Silva has asked the Everton board to invest in a goalscorer in the next window and his compatriot, who currently plies his trade at Eintracht Frankfurt, is top of his list.

The Blues would be looking to pay around €15m for the 25-year-old marksman who has been capped twice by Portugal since 2017.

Paciência began his career at FC Porto and played there for two seasons making 10 league appearances without scoring before embarking on a series of loan moves to Académica, Olympiacos, Rio Ave and Vitória Setúbal.

He joined Frankfurt last year and has scored nine times in 22 games, the best return of his career to date.

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Alan J Thompson
1 Posted 17/11/2019 at 16:26:33
Why is it Managers seem to want to sign players of their own nationality or language speakers. At least this bloke is old enough to warrant a few games or a regular start after the initial season long settling in period.
Anyone know how he rates alongside Gabigol?
Eugene Kearney
2 Posted 17/11/2019 at 16:28:12
I've read this about four times from the news feeder (News Now).

Never a mention whether Eintracht Frankfurt are willing to sell..

Keith Gleave
3 Posted 17/11/2019 at 17:02:42
I really don’t know this guy but his record doesn’t appear any better than what we have.
Kase Chow
4 Posted 17/11/2019 at 17:08:44
Keith #3

Agree. His record in divisions inferior to our EPL doesn’t inspire confidence

Clive Rogers
5 Posted 17/11/2019 at 17:12:21
He’s never really been a goal scorer, but he’s a 6 footer played mainly on the wing. He’s been pushed up front this season and has 9 in 22 games. Not pacy. Sounds a bit of a gamble, but can’t be worse than what we have.
Paul Ellam
6 Posted 17/11/2019 at 18:12:30
What our club needs to do is sign a PROVEN goalscorer with a PROVEN track record of scoring goals - wherever they have played.
We have got our potential stars with Calvert-Lewin and Kean.
What we need is somebody who can hit the ground running.
Somebody preferably with Premier League experience.
When we bought Lukaku (first on loan then permanent) it wan't really a gamble because we knew he could do it in the league.
Which leads me to the type of player we should get.
Somebody like Callum Wilson.
He won't be cheap, but he's a good age, knows the league, has scored plenty in the league and is ready for a step up in club.
He wouldn't be a risk in my opinion. He's our man!
Clive Rogers
7 Posted 17/11/2019 at 18:28:47
Paul, exactly right. We don’t want another striker with potential. Rather someone who can slot straight in. That is why this report is probably untrue.
Not sure about the potential of DCL. He is 23 in March and there are signs Silva has lost faith in him. He looks more and more like what he is, a midfielder pushed up front because he is tall.
Tony Twist
8 Posted 17/11/2019 at 18:59:00
Hasn't set the world on fire yet. If he fits in with our style of play and that brings the best out of him then fine. It smells of a, keep the coach happy but save our money for his replacement, style of purchase. Brands needs more hits than misses now, he hasn't been on target to any degree in the hunt for a centre forward yet.
Dave Williams
9 Posted 17/11/2019 at 19:15:43
Paul #6 spot on. We need an established scorer just for a season or two until the younger lads finish their education. Giroud, Costa, Zlatan, Mandkuvic- someone with pedigree who still wants to play and has maybe a couple of years left in him with more or less guaranteed goals.
Mark Guglielmo
10 Posted 17/11/2019 at 19:34:08
I barely know of this guy so can't formulate any kind of opinion on him working/not working for Everton, but all the calls for a "proven striker" are moot, I think.

I'm not inside his head, but what indication has Brands given thus far to make anyone think this is a strategy he's willing to pursue? Delph is the one omission thus far, but how many other over 27 yo players has he gone after in his 3 windows? How many of these proven strikers are a) available (realistically), b) reasonably-priced, and c) willing to come here on a short-term basis only, given there's little-to-no-allure of instant success?

Dave Williams
11 Posted 17/11/2019 at 21:02:07
Fair point Mark but sometimes a more experienced guy is needed- Gray is a prime example who really brought Sharp on quickly. Who it could be I don’t know- that’s what Brands gets paid for!
Clarence Yurcan
12 Posted 18/11/2019 at 02:47:26
Signings like this are completely pointless. Is "Goncalo Pacienca" any more talented than Cenk Tosun, or Moise Kean or even DCL? If you are going to bring in a striker, splash the cash and bring in a proven goalscorer, like Edinson Cavani. The Goncalo Paceinca's of the world will not improve us
Jay Harris
13 Posted 18/11/2019 at 03:39:40
Totally with the overall view that we don't want another average striker.

What is the point in having 4 or 5 poor goalscorers.

Lets just splash the cash get a top man in and sell some of the others to fund him.

FFS for what we have spent on wages and aquisition costs for Sandro, Tosun, Niasse, Kean etc we could have had a world class striker who was more than paying for himself by getting us into Europe.

Why are the club so shortsighted that they think they could sell Lukaku for 75m who wasnt the nest but nevertheless a decent striker and then bring a better player for half the cost.

Thats eiker arrogant or stupid or both.

Jay Harris
14 Posted 18/11/2019 at 03:39:40
Totally with the overall view that we don't want another average striker.

What is the point in having 4 or 5 poor goalscorers.

Lets just splash the cash get a top man in and sell some of the others to fund him.

FFS for what we have spent on wages and aquisition costs for Sandro, Tosun, Niasse, Kean etc we could have had a world class striker who was more than paying for himself by getting us into Europe.

Why are the club so shortsighted that they think they could sell Lukaku for 75m who wasnt the nest but nevertheless a decent striker and then bring a better player for half the cost.

Thats eiker arrogant or stupid or both.

Keith Gleave
15 Posted 18/11/2019 at 08:09:02
We need a proven goal scorer, but we have two who came with a decent record. Tosun, mentioned previously had a scoring record in Turkey and currently with the international team. Kean had a decent record for a young lad but is not being played correctly or even given a chance.
At this moment there are a couple out there Mandzukic being the better option, Batshuayi being a younger option and never given a consistent run, somewhat like Lukaku.
Conor McCourt
16 Posted 18/11/2019 at 09:06:41
The player I would most likely to see us go for in January would be Moussa Dembele. I think he would really fulfil the strategy of Brands in that he's young, improving and talented but he's also done well for Fulham and Celtic so will have no problem hitting the ground running and is a proven goalscorer.

He also wouldn't break the bank and I'm sure selling Tosun would cover nearly half of what Lyon would be looking.

Add Denis Zakaria for the dynamism we have lost since Gueye left and that would be some window in my eyes.

David Midgley
17 Posted 18/11/2019 at 09:32:40
Patience. That about sums it up.
Derek Knox
18 Posted 18/11/2019 at 13:00:03
Not being over skeptical but the fourth paragraph, which states he was at FC Porto for two seasons, making 10 appearances with a grand total of zero goals, - should fit in well!

Maybe he's a late developer but if he struggles to score in these lesser Leagues it doesn't really augur well for the Prem, or am I being too pessimistic?

we already have Tosun who certainly knows where the goal is, but struggles with the pace of the Prem.

Rob Marsh
19 Posted 18/11/2019 at 13:01:49
Clarence # 12

Of the club's three strikers you've mentioned Tosun I feel needs a few games, he's yet to have a run off Silva. We've seen everything DCL has to offer and Kean's mind is not in the right place now.

He's got the right attitude, he can finish and has more to give. This is one of the reasons I've turned against Silva, his rigidity when it comes to trying something new.

Paul Hewitt
20 Posted 18/11/2019 at 13:16:57
Here's a thought. Why don't we use the 30 million Italian international we have.
Mark Guglielmo
21 Posted 18/11/2019 at 14:13:23
Jay @13/14 this passage

FFS for what we have spent on wages and aquisition costs for Sandro, Tosun, Niasse, Kean etc we could have had a world class striker who was more than paying for himself by getting us into Europe.

makes very little sense to me. Sandro was acquired in 17, Tosun in 17, Niasse in 15, and Kean obviously in 19. Unless you're saying that somehow we should have used the dollars spent over a 4-year stretch to buy a single striker? I think I know what you're getting at - using the funds from selling the first 3 & not having bought Kean in the first place - but I don't want to assume.

If that is the case, well be lucky to get £20m combined for Niasse/Tosun/Sandro, and judging the investment in Kean at this juncture is ridiculous.

If it's just an overall sentiment that we should simply be willing to go spend the £100m+ on a "top man," then I just want to get your thoughts on my earlier questions.

How many of these proven strikers are a) available (realistically), b) reasonably priced, and c) willing to come here on a short-term basis only, given there's little-to-no-allure of instant success?

I'm not sure your definition of "top guy," so reasonably priced might not apply, but who do you think would be both available and want to come here? I love playing the "what would you do if you won the lottery?" game too.

Tony Everan
22 Posted 18/11/2019 at 15:19:50
Will this lad be any better than Tosun ?, Tosun had a better record than that before coming to us.

Totally agree with the sentiments, we don't need another average striker on the books. I would rather stick with what we have got. We need someone in the Lukaku class of striker, proven and lethal, until we can unearth that man

As Dave @9 mentioned, getting in a mature proven striker for a season and a half could be the way to go. Giroud, Costa, Zlatan, Mandkuvic, Cavani, Dzeko, along those lines, scoring goals and mentoring Kean and DCL.

Derek Knox
23 Posted 18/11/2019 at 17:58:45
Mark, I know your post was basically in response to Jay, but even if (Hypothetically) we bought a £100M + striker, if the service to him, was equivalent to what our current ones, when selected, are receiving I don't think goals would be guaranteed either.

Derek Knox
24 Posted 18/11/2019 at 18:19:39
Alan J, @ 1, forgot to mention before in my post, not only that, the Clubs he has been at are some of the the same ones Silva was at.

FC Porto and Olympiacos definitely. Not sure about the others, Steve Ferns would know for sure, but not exactly a riveting CV by any stretch of the imagination, not even for the most hopeful and or optimistic.

Michael Lynch
25 Posted 18/11/2019 at 19:12:43
This is the Premier League. Players who look like world beaters in other leagues look like dogshit once they're exposed to the pace, physicality, and quality of the PL.

I think we have what we need at the club right now in terms of strikers. Richarlison, DCL, Tosun and Kean each have a certain quality for certain situations. Personally, I think DCL is on the brink of fulfilling his promise; he's a great footballer and a great athlete. The important thing is that all of these players, with the exception of Kean, now have enough experience of the PL to flourish. We buy in January and it will take til next Christmas to bed the player in.

Paul Tran
26 Posted 18/11/2019 at 19:28:37
The point here is the obvious one that many of us knew when some on here were criticising Lukaku for, er, scoring goals and not running/declaring his undying love for Everton enough.

Good strikers are hard to find. 'Proven' strikers in Europe are expensive without being guaranteed to be a success here.
So when you get one who scores for fun like Lukaku, you do everything to keep him, you build a team of better players around him.

We didn't. We let the team stagnate, we criticised him for telling like it like it was. We told him he could leave without replacing him. Some said it would be 'easy' to replace a 'lazy' striker who 'didn't care about the club'.

I'd argue that the club didn't care about the club. Now we're reduced to the lottery of either punting on a 'promising' European striker at 25m, or the lower division striker that we hope can make the grade. We've got it wrong a few times and may have to gamble again.

The other question is; if we stumbled on an emerging top striker, would he thrive in the current system of slow, confused play that takes as many touches as possible?

I'd rather change the system before lashing out on another soon-to-be disappointed non-served striker.

John Pickles
27 Posted 18/11/2019 at 19:38:43
Everton do not improve strikers!

They just don't. Can't remember the last time they brought in a striker since Sharp/Heath/Lineker and exploited their potential.

The dark side always get a striker banging them in for fun, often one from outside the EPL. We don't.

We knew Lukaku could score, that's why a lot of us were so ecstatic we got him, The Yak was already a known goal scorer, ditto Cottee. Kevin Campbell, Kanchelskis, Beardsley, brilliant with us, brilliant before. Rooney would have made it anywhere.

Wilkinson, Madar, Clarke, Newall, Johnstone, Barlow, Amokachi, Cadararteri, Moore, Bakayoko all played up front at the end of the last century. In twenty years time the current crop look like being equally unremarkable, as were all the others in-between.

If we want a good striker we'll either need a better scouting and coaching team or we will need splash out big and buy one.

Mark Guglielmo
28 Posted 18/11/2019 at 19:46:16
Derek @24, I couldn't agree with you more. It's a subtle underlying theme to my questions in the first place.

I believe I'm on record here on TW as saying "Robert Lewandowski couldn't score goals as a striker in our system."

Phillip Warrington
29 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:13:33
This is typical Everton. We will buy 3 or 4 average players for a position and pay them double the wages anybody else would, only for them to play average to below average... and we can never move them on due to the ridiculous wages we're paying them for the privilege of playing for Everton.
Darren Hind
30 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:19:10
Can we please put an end to the myth that Lukaku was a 20 goal a season man. Its embarrasing.

Lukaku had the season of his life when he scored well over twenty goals and he was quite rightly given all the recognition. but those who called him a lazy fat Bastard during those other seasons, were well justified in doing so. That season apart he only averaged 14 goals per season - exactly the same as he averaged for Man United.

with his physique, pace he should be bracketed with the top boys. He isn't. There are several very good reasons for that.

Mark Guglielmo
31 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:22:46
Darren, some may be considering all comps goals, not just the Premiership.
Paul Tran
32 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:23:35
Blimey, even Darren's using stats now. Gawd help us! I wish we'd kept him, Darren, we haven't had anyone near as good since.
Darren Hind
33 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:28:10
Paul you are too smart not to know the difference between official records, averages and daft arsed stats.

leave claims like that to people who havent yet figured it out

Brent Stephens
34 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:32:21
There we go. We can all fall back on stats.
Darren Hind
35 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:34:09
For example. . see post 33.

Paul Birmingham
36 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:48:25
For me we have a qua£ of platers but we don’t have a team that plays well consistently and picks itself. As many have said Lukaku aside, the the Yak, Inchy, Sharpie and well supported by Wayne Clarke who chipped in with key goals in his brief stint at EFC.

I’d say there’s no guarantee if we shelled out 100 million on a top striker - Timo Werner, for example.

The style of football we play is generally more than not pedestrian and is too easy to defend against.

It’s a touch call but based on. What most have said we have some great potential strikers, all still learning but no natural 25 goals a season striker.

I hope this Saturday that Moise Kean, gets a chance to play, and gets a couple of goals, Everton beat Norwich and we enter the very tough run of fixtures with confidence.

There’s a point in buying players and if we can’t play for injury, or suspension, fine, but keeping them out the squad or bench warming, consistently, beggars, why buy the player in the first place. Moise Kean looks to have natural ability, perhaps not the guile and power yet for the EPL, but he needs a chance to develop, and with DCL, over a couple of games, it would be interesting.

I’d like to see how they train at Finch Farm, regards the strikers.

Only Marco Silva knows, what he wants and with Marcel Brands, must decide and carry the fortunes of this season.

Paul Tran
37 Posted 18/11/2019 at 20:57:53
I know, Darren, just on the wind up. Minus 9 here in Stirling tonight, even colder at home. Still not as cold as our attack.
Darren Hind
38 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:04:02
Cant disagree that Lukaku is better than we currently have PT, but he didnt want to be here.

I believe Richarlison has the potential to go past him, but thats up to him

Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:06:30
Agree with that Connor, but I’ve wanted Everton to sign him for a few years now mate. If you can score a trick for Celtic against Barcelona, (when they were definitely the best team in Europe) then it’s obvious that the kid is a very good talent, but I expect clubs like United will be in for Dembele now.
Paul Tran
40 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:07:53
What irks me about Richarlison, Darren, is that for all that Silva brought him over and his thinks of him as a 'father', he isn't getting the best out of him. He's certainly a more 'modern' striker than Lukaku, but I fear that to get past Rom, he'll need a different manager, whether it's here or elsewhere.
Darren Hind
41 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:11:25

My worry is that Silva is a backs to the wall type of manager. He will throw punches when he has to, but he goes all Joe Bugner when he thinks he's safe

Paul Tran
42 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:13:27
I think he'll end up more like Richard Dunn.
Paul Tran
43 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:23:34
GT is fine after the race. Cobden thought he was going to win until he clouted the second last and said he'd be better on better ground. Next stop Sandown 7th Dec or Kempton 27th.
Darren Hind
44 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:49:10
Just need a little luck and these good performances will turn into wins.
Brian Harrison
45 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:56:15

Good luck with GT, I had a flat horse and I think all trainers have a handbook with a 100 reasons why the horse didnt win. Mind Paul Nicholls has been in the top 2 jump trainers for a long time, so a very knowledgeable man.

Bobby Mallon
46 Posted 18/11/2019 at 21:59:15
Please no more fucking shit strikers just because we are not scoring. Save the money and use 1 or 2 of our under 21s ffs. I’m sick of us buying shite in January. This bloke is not good enough and never will be. F off silva
Paul Tran
47 Posted 18/11/2019 at 22:01:15
That's because the majority of racehorses don't win races, Brian & Darren! The best thing about Nicholls is that while he keeps winning the trainers' championship, he's happy to admit his mistakes, like getting it al wrong with GT in his first season. Many in football could learn from that.
Jay Harris
48 Posted 18/11/2019 at 22:30:35
Mark we have spent over 60m on Sandro, Niasse and Tosun and another 30m plus wages on Kean.

We got 75m for Lukaku.

My point is timing aside instead of trying to bring in "cheap" strikers that money would have been better spent on a top class striker

I am reasonably sure we could have got Vardy when Puel was in charge,or tried for Diego Costa, Aubeyang, Lacazette (before they joined Arsenal), Cavani, Lewandowski etc. if we had over 100m to lash out.

Mark Guglielmo
49 Posted 18/11/2019 at 23:15:17
I understand that, Jay. It unfortunately falls under "if" and "could have." But even sticking with the line of thinking, the part I struggle with is why a top-level striker would come to Everton. Or worse, an "already proven" top-level striker.

It comes down to whether you believe one of these fellows would value money over a chance to win hardware and/or leagues. Hardware, mostly. This is one of those odd times when my general optimism over the Club flips over to pessimism. IMO, you can forget about the Lewandowskis of the world. They're elite. I'm kind of iffy on whether or not the next level down - say, the Firminos of the world - would come here either. Maybe we could lure the likes of a Timo Werner, though we'd still be in the £80m range.

I can't be certain of course, but this is why we're usually only in the market for the £30m types that we have to take a chance on, and develop. Perhaps it's not that we don't go after them, it's that we don't even get the chance.

David Pearl
50 Posted 18/11/2019 at 00:02:20
Mark, do you not think we might be better off doing a Chelsea and sticking with what we have? The only thing we don’t have is a little magician in the middle (Arteta or David Silva type). Apart from that we have enough potential in the squad and coming through to give it a rest instead of consistent 6-8 players. 1 or 2 top quality and that’s it for next summer. Show some faith. Silva is another matter but by then we should know one way or the other.
Ben McVeigh
51 Posted 18/11/2019 at 00:05:21
Why don't we look at someone who is proven in English football. Jarrod Bowen has scored 48 goals in 119 appearances for Hull City.
He knows the pace and physicality that is required, finds the back of the net, works hard and knows the climate.
Before anyone goes "oh he's not proven in Premier League" neither was Maddison or Daniel James, and they have turned out ok
Derek Knox
52 Posted 18/11/2019 at 00:10:20
Mark @ 48, always read your posts and in general I agree, most of the time, but there is always an element of risk in signing any player, even if his history has been taken into account.

Re-iterating what I said before, and you agreed, with me, that signing the best striker (allegedly) in the world, wouldn't necessarily ensure success, with the current tactics/gameplay/strategy, if any of that exists, but I must hasten to add, I have seen very little evidence of that thus far.

There again, we surely took a gamble on signing a 'serial failure' merchant in Silva, an appointment in which we (the fans) had no say whatsoever, (pity!)

If, what a word that is, we had any influence in appointments of Managers, apart from Steve Ferns, ( who I have met, and like by the way) would we be stuck with this second rate Manager?

Don Alexander
53 Posted 19/11/2019 at 01:01:28
The overwhelming take I have on this no-mark alleged potential signing is that our scouting staff are as inept now as they have been for decades. If they're not, then Brands is inept.

Liverpool have made an industry out of signing very talented Scouse juniors who supported Everton, for decades. In addition they've recently been horribly successful at signing and developing prodigiously talented players in a variety of positions.

In stark contrast the product from our scouts, DoF, manager and USMFF "coaches" has been at best poor or, more accurately, abysmal.

Nobody who knows me will therefore be surprised when I pose the question, again, "Who has poisoned our club's once-proud history, knowingly or not, since he took the chief role in the boardroom 20 fucking years ago?"

Maybe, just maybe, HE is the problem and once removed answers will flow to improve our lot.

Mark Guglielmo
54 Posted 19/11/2019 at 01:59:43
David @50/Derek @52 (since you both asked me the same thing)

I think the "flow" of the thread made it seem like I was advocating for buying a striker. Not at all! I was only replying to Jay @48 in an attempt to explain my thoughts as to WHY we never go for a top guy. Not that we should.

To David specifically, I absolutely believe we stick with what we have for striker. I don't think there's anyone here who wants Kean to play, and succeed, more than me lol! I think a big part of it is that none of our strikers, Kean most of all, have gotten to play with our more dynamic pieces very much, and now that they have, we're seeing better performance. I'm talking about Sidibe, Holgate, Iwobi, and the like. Our strikers looked a lot worse when they were relying on Schneiderlin or Gylfi or Delph or Coleman to get them the ball in scoring opportunities. There's no reason we can't get 20 goals out of the guys we already have, if we could just (see below)...

And to Derek specifically, I still do agree with you, my friend. I think it makes a lot more sense to evolve our formation, and tactics, than I think it does to keep trying to insert more strikers into the same system that has proven to be ineffective. Because you were, and still are, spot on. The way we insist on running a lone striker just isn't designed to get a lot of production out of the position IMO. I want a 4-3-3 so badly it hurts haha. Maybe there'd even be less risk if we let our horses run wild, so to speak! That said, I know you really don't like the guy, but Silva has shown a willingness to change things up since that West Ham game.

Hopefully that clarifies what I meant for you fellas.

That doesn't solve CB depth, or a true CM, but this isn't the thread for that. :-)

Nicholas Ryan
55 Posted 19/11/2019 at 03:39:26
Unfortunately, the reality is; that the list of top class strikers who would come to Everton, is a very, very short one.
Eddie Dunn
56 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:01:17
My Dad used to say that when buying a new tool, buy the best that you can afford. No point buying cheap or mid-range, better to wait until you can save up enough for top quality.
We can muddle through with what we have or cover our arses with Giraud, who is quality, just aging. Enough of these guys popping a few in in average leagues. I recall Mirallas being top scorer in Greece, for Christ's sake!
Steve Ferns
57 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:31:09
I don't really remember this lad when he played in Portugal. Probably because he didn't score many goals. Bearing in mind that the woeful Bas Dost scored 76 in 83 for Sporting in the League, though this was only 6 in 21 in Europe; I would be cautious about expecting much from this lad. It looks like he's 4 months into a purple patch, in the form of his life, and with no historical evidence to show he's likely to back it up.

If this is Silva's man, as the report suggests, then where's Silva seen him from? He's not played in Portugal until after Silva left for Greece and then England. So Silva was hardly managing against him. Nor did he manage him, as the lad came through the Benfica system.

More likely this is just paper talk. Random Portuguese in a purple patch, and Everton need a striker, so papers putting two and two together.

Stephen Davies
58 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:31:49
Mark #49
There are very good players out there who play for 'unfashionable' clubs and therefore are often not on everyone's radar. A good example of this is Firmino who played for Hoffenheim.

Again Van Dijk who went to Southampton for a steal and again Mane to Southampton as well as them getting Courtinho for just over £8m because he struggled in Italy.
But what they all have in common is that drive and will to win which besides skill is the things that should be looked at closely when purchasing a player.

Derek Thomas
59 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:34:18
No more shite, do it once, do it right, buy cheap buy twice, or in our case, 3 or 4 times
Steve Ferns
60 Posted 19/11/2019 at 12:50:22
Jay Harris, imagine we spent big on Diego Costa? The lad scored 5 league goals in the previous TWO seasons. He has only scored 2 more this season. The guy is a shadow of his former self.

Could anyone see the decline coming at such a young age (31 now). Yes, the signs were there. Off the field issues highlighted a party-boy type. His aggressive style of play led to frequent injuries which became harder and harder to shrug off. He was always going to be one whose career went into decline around the age of 30.

Ok, I would certainly have put Vardy in the same boat, and he's looking at his best this season. But perhaps Vardy likes to give the impression of being a "lad" without actually being one.

Daniel A Johnson
61 Posted 19/11/2019 at 13:07:19
We have strikers but how about Silva picking one and sticking with them for 5-10 games.

Give DCL, Tosun or Kean an extended run and lets see what happens.

The only striker I would entertain at the moment would be Giroud but its debatable he can regularly do 90min now so lets keep the money for summer.

Steve Ferns
62 Posted 19/11/2019 at 13:12:48
I agree Daniel. Dominic Calvert Lewin has scored 5 in 13 games. He's only started 6 games in the league and his minutes per goal is 141. Tammy Abraham is on a better 118 minutes per goal, consider how he's tearing up the league this season.
Mark Guglielmo
63 Posted 19/11/2019 at 13:53:13
Stephen @58 understood, that's actually what I was saying as well.

My last paragraph @49
"I can't be certain of course, but this is why we're usually only in the market for the £30m types that we have to take a chance on, and develop."

Jay H was bemoaning the fact that we haven't "splashed the cash" and bought a "top guy." I said we couldn't, even if we wanted to. The examples you gave were risks taken at that time, and then developed into top guys, right? This is the position our club is in; needing to do that. Not buying them over they're already great, because let's face it, a Harry Kane isn't going to choose Everton over a Real Madrid, for example.

Let's see what happens with Kean. He's got a great shot at being just like a Firmino or the like.

Mark Guglielmo
64 Posted 19/11/2019 at 20:53:03
Kean has 2 goals for Italy U21 today (in the first half). Yes I've posted this in 3 different comments sections lol.
Danny Broderick
65 Posted 20/11/2019 at 03:27:39
Interesting headline:

“Silva eyeing Frankfurt striker Paciência”

Silva doesn't buy the players, not on his own anyway, we have a Director of Football model. Only if the number crunchers and stat crunchers agree can we get any players in Silva wants.

So I suspect this isn't going to happen, mainly because his record is sketchy at best. With our current model, we only buy young strikers with potential (Sandro, Calvert-Lewin, Kean) or players banging them in in obscure leagues (Tosun, Niasse).

Jay Harris
66 Posted 20/11/2019 at 04:49:16
Steve my point wasnt about Costa per se.

He was just one of half a dozen I mentioned to make the point that we need to sign top quality instead of hopeful punts on players who "might" come good.

Fran Mitchell
67 Posted 20/11/2019 at 07:06:57
Jay, Chelsea broke the bank to bring in Shevchenko, then again to bring in Torres. Man City broke the bank to get Robinho. Spurs spent a huge fee now Roberto Soldado.

None of these guaranteed goals. They all flopped, despite being 'guaranteed goals' on paper.

The money for 'guaranteed' goals now is 100 million, plus 200k a week. Even then such a player would likely turn us down.

Even if he did join, it would be a huge risk. If he flopped like so many before him, we would be lumbered with him.

The fact is, our market is signing 'potential'. It's what we can afford.

Personally, Kean has immense potential. DCL has good potential too. In the reserves with have Simms and Dobbin too looking good at a young age.

This is how we will further develop - using the youth, buying young and cheap(ish). And then manage them well.

Buying big only works if you can buy big in every position, and can take the hit if one of them doesn't come off.

Again, why buy a striker is we still don't have a midfield that can get the ball to him?

David Milner
68 Posted 20/11/2019 at 10:53:38
Whatever striker we buy will do no good playing the system Silva likes. Drop Sigurdsson and play a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2, a lone striker does not work.

Timo Lerner at 23 years old is who we should break the bank for while shipping out Sigurdsson, Niasse, Tosun, Schneiderlin and Martina. That should go a long way towards funding it.

We could have had Dembele when he was at Fulham but Boys Pen Bill would not sanction the £5M and he went to Celtic.

Steve Ferns
69 Posted 20/11/2019 at 11:22:27
David, I think Brands would love to ship out Sigurdsson, Niasse, Tosun, Schneiderlin and Martina and get our money back. The fact is that isn't going to happen.

Niasse is training with and playing with the U23s. Martina is god knows where. Sigurdsson is a key member of the squad. I think that's because he's still a decent player, as 13 goals last season proves. Schneiderlin and Tosun were bandied around in the summer, judging by the rumours flying around, but the fact of the matter is they are on inflated wages that no one else would pay, so we're lumbered with them.

Niasse's contract is up in the summer, so he should be released then, maybe he will go on a free in January? Martina is out of contract in the summer as well. Tosun and Schneiderlin have 18 months left. Whilst Gylfi is here until the summer of 2022.

One high earner you left out, probably because he is now playing well and us fans are off his back, is Theo Walcott. He has 18 months left and all.

Clarence Yurcan
70 Posted 20/11/2019 at 14:54:32
I agree, Rob #19.
Mark Guglielmo
71 Posted 20/11/2019 at 16:00:03
Interestingly, both of Kean's goals came with him starting at RW. But in a 4-3-3.

I say "started" because as you know the 3 forwards in an attacking 4-3-3 are fairly fluid and can attack from anywhere. Both of Kean's goals - 1 dribbling in on a breakaway, 1 banging home a sitter off a rebound - were in the dead center.

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