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Silva on the brink with Moyes set to return

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Farhad Moshiri will fully assess his options tomorrow (Monday) before taking what is expected to be decisive action in sacking Marco Silva according to The Mirror's David Maddock.

The journalist writes that the Blues' hierarchy met in the aftermath of Saturday's awful defeat to Norwich and again today to discuss the path forward and while the club's owner favoured giving the Portuguese more time, the majority view in the boardroom is that Silva's time is up.

Maddock claims that Moyes's experience and knowledge of Everton could prompt Moshiri to appoint him, perhaps on an interim basis until May by which time it is hoped he will have secured Everton's top-flight status.

On the Daily Mail website, Mikel Arteta is mentioned as a potentially more adventurous candidate, although he is said to be on Arsenal's shortlist again as Unai Emery clings to his job at the Emirates.

The Blues sit four points above the relegation zone after 13 matches but now face a gruelling run of fixtures between now and the FA Cup 3rd round in early January.

Original Source: The Mirror  

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Chris Jones [NZ]
1 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:05:38


What more can I say?

Mark Guglielmo
2 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:10:39
"The Blues sit four points above the relegation zone after 13 matches..."

and yet

"The Blues sit four points below European qualification after 13 matches..."

Crazy, that. I wish I could post GIFs, because if Moyes is indeed the next guy, I'd post that one of Jerry Seinfeld throwing his hands up in disgust and walking out of the theater.

Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:19:20
I’m curious because the Mirror state Mosh wanted to keep Silva but the rest of the board want him replaced with Moyes. Who is on the board? Kenwright obviously and DBB probably just does his bidding but where is Brands in all this? Is he really pro Moyes?
Bill Gall
4 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:20:05
Chris the only other thing that you can say, if this happens, this owner, and especially the rest of the board, do not now the first thing about the modern game,were you employ people with ability and not sympathy.
This is a man who left the club to do better and was fired from his last 2 clubs,,
The club might as well show how stupid they are and hire Rooney.. Remember how good H.Kendall was and how he made out when he came back.
Ari Sigurgeirsson
5 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:21:55
I just hope the Mirror is not saying to us that we cannot get Arteta in BECAUSE Arsenal is after him too. I think gone are the days when we (I did) thought the journos knew everything. But then again I am not sure if unproven manager is the best option for us at the moment. Although he must be the most promising we can get from that category. I don't know about Moyes... no opinion until I see it.
Anthony Murphy
6 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:26:32
I think Brands would only agree to this if given a cast iron guarantee that he can bring in his choice in the summer.
Ron Marr
7 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:29:33
Just say no to mediocrity.
Derek Thomas
8 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:31:35
I maybe wrong but if Moyes was coming he'd be here by ( 'In the year 7510, if gods a comin he oughta make it by then' - Zager & Evans) now and Silva wouldn't be talking about the next and subsequent games.

He's either going nowhere or they're waiting on somebody still employed.

And since I'm a reverse Mystic Meg, that probably means Moyes will be announced first thing Monday or Tuesday.

If my choices (like I/we have a say) are only Moyes or Rafa I'd not be picking rs Rafa, well just for being rs Rafa.
Steve Bruce's results have put his...well he did a miracle job at Newcastle (while quickly glossing over the fact he relegated them) to perspective.

Everton - can't even run a total fuck up properly.

Derek Knox
9 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:35:56
Agree with the comments that Moyes is basically a busted flush, I couldn't even fathom what the Board would be thinking in his projected appointment, but it would show that Kenwright has more influence over Moshiri than we could have anticipated.

Besides, as I mentioned on another similar thread, I can never recall any Manager or player being successful when re-visiting a former Club, and that goes for any Club, not just us.

I dare say he could possibly do a firefighter type temporary appointment, and would definitely be better than Silva, but it reeks of lack of ambition, unless they have a major target lined up for the Summer, but even so hope it doesn't happen.

Derek Thomas
10 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:40:35
Derek K. Trouble is, who will define what constitutes a 'major target'?
Bill Gall
11 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:47:32
I do not think Arteta would be a good choice. He was a good player and is learnt his coaching from one of the top managers in the game, but learning from a top manager with a team made up of some of the best players in the world. It is going to be very difficult going from that environment to a struggling club with players that will not get in a City team and it is a risk asking a new manager's to manage Everton as his first club appointment
Remember if Arteta were to come he will not have any coaching staff and will have to use the one's at the club.
Tony Twist
12 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:50:46
Hardly from a creditable source! The Mirror don't have a clue what's going on. It's all guesswork at the moment. All I want is a competent manager that gets us season upon season fighting for the European places and stopping us racking up records like years and years of not beating certain teams and of course us beating Liverpool very regularly. It would be great having the hex over them again. Who is up to the task of doing that, well I haven't a clue but I can't see it being anyone with previous links with the club. No thank you to Moyes, Unsworth, Hughes, Arteta or Duncan Ferguson.
Bill Watson
13 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:49:37
The fact the board met again today (Sunday) is significant in that they, at last, seem to have grasped the urgency of the situation we find ourselves in and that Silva is incapable of correcting it.
In the absence of any available, permanent, candidate I'd reluctantly settle for a short term Moyes appointment, if only on the basis that he couldn't (surely) be worse than Silva.
No, I don't lack ambition for the club; I'm a pragmatist!

I agree with Bill that Arteta, even if we could get him, would be a huge gamble. There's a world of difference in being a number 2 and he has no experience of management, at any level. We have no idea how good or bad he would be.

All we know is that Silva cannot manage at this level and his Everton tenure has followed a similar trajectory to his time at Watford and, to a lesser extent, Hull

Bob Hannigan
14 Posted 25/11/2019 at 02:43:46
Moyes??? WTF?

Rahman Talib
15 Posted 25/11/2019 at 03:25:07
Fact of the matter is, the team Moyes left behind when he left for Man Utd is still the best team we had to date.

WIth funds, Moyes can buy two really good centre-forwards and take us places.

Rahman Talib
16 Posted 25/11/2019 at 03:41:43
Other than Moyes, who in fuck's name would want to come and manage Everton at this point of time?

Jay Harris
17 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:09:40
If we are talking interim management and Poch cannot be persuaded I could put up with Moyes until the end of the season but would then want us to reset and bring in a top progressive manager of the ilk of Ten Hag.

I have the romantic notion that it would be good to see Arteta and CAhil back but commonsense tells me that is too big a risk.

With this board we need a really strong character ( Mourhino at his best springs to mind). We can but dream.

Clive Rogers
18 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:41:51
If Moyes comes back that’s it for me, finished.
Andrew James
19 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:51:31
One thing that struck me was that Brands was DOF at AZ Alkmaar when we did them in Europe in 2007 and broke their unbeaten record.

Our coach was Moyes and he did it with a highly comical side of an ageing Gravesen, an unplayed Jimmy Mac, a bench of kids and Big Vic and Jimmy Vaughan ending the game up front as rookies.

Brands might just look at stuff like that and Moyes going to United and think he is enough until the end of the season.

Personally I struggle to see Moyes getting on with Richarlison but I am sure he would tighten the defence up.

Clive Rogers
20 Posted 25/11/2019 at 05:14:14
What could possibly be a bigger backward step than Kenwright and Moyes. How the hell is Kenwright still there and still chairman after twenty years of decline under him and one disaster after another. He will get us relegated if he gets Moyes back.
Mark Andersson
21 Posted 25/11/2019 at 05:39:28
Maybe the board have float3d the Moyes idea and now there monitoring TW to gauge if its a good move... if so I feel tgey wont get him but wait they got big Sam in last year...

Oh dear the drama never ends...

Jonathan Tasker
22 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:22:51
If Everton were a disaster movie franchise, it would be hugely profitable and reliable.

Around this time of year and just in time for the Christmas market, we’d have Everton21, it just keeps getting worse. Starring Bill Kenwright as the world’s biggest conman, together with Farhad Moshiri as his idiotic sidekick. Not forgetting Duncan Ferguson as the Master of the Cones and Marcel Brands as the World’s biggest money waster. And now back by popular demand it’s Moysey, the man who wouldn’t die.You better believe it.

Drew O'Neall
23 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:30:47
No one we want is available so logic dictates you don’t sack him unless you think he’s going to relegate us.

If you think he is going to relate us then you bring in an Allardyce and Moyes is an Allardyce.

At least no one’s said ‘Steven Gerrard’...yet.

Paul Smith
24 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:36:50
I would rather Silva stay than have Moyes back. An absolute nightmare proposition showing Kenwright has full control still.

What does Brands think ?

Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:47:35
"No one we want is available"???

Drew #23, maybe no one you want is available, but the latest oddsmakers' boards include the names Pocchettino, Kovac, Allegri, Benitez, Hughton, Howe and Wilder, and I think if you've been reading TW today you've seen multiple TWers endorse each and every one of these. And the first four are either unemployed or about to be.

And I'll bet my mortgage that Mr. Moshiri not only would want one of these, but has already talked with one. Or more.

Dave Lynch
26 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:02:25
I'd rather have Tony Marsh than Moyes.
Roman Sidey
27 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:04:31
Tony Twist, I respectfully disagree regarding Arteta's experience with City and Pep being a drawback. I'm certainly not advocating hiring a manager with no first team experience, but in a hypothetical world (and that's all any of these threads really deal in) where you have 5 candidates and they're all going for their first permanent job in charge, I'd probably go with the guy who's worked with the better team and coach.

You say working with players of City's calibre wouldn't prepare a manager for the step-down to players of Everton's. Well, I think it actually works in the opposite direction to that. Coaching excellent players is actually a lot more demanding than limited players because the whole idea is working to make them better and more consistent. Working with shit players usually means rarely going beyond the basics, and not really demanding more of them.

Like I said, I wouldn't advocate employing a manager in his first job - which is why I'm so staunchly against Unsworth getting the job - but Arteta's credentials are probably better than most in his position, as well as better than probably half the managers in the football league an I'd take him over Moyes any day.

Roman Sidey
28 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:11:34
By the way, if Moyes is appointed, I'll be ordering a jersey from the club with a custom name reading:
Moyes Out

I'd encourage everyone else to do the same.

Colette Black
29 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:14:35
I'll be buying a grim reaper's outfit Roman.
Paul Evans
30 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:17:00
Can see this happening, if not today then certainly next Monday after we lose to Leicester ( all be it with a more spirited display ), and I’m calling that he brings in Timmy Cahill as his assistant
Kunal Desai
31 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:20:05
Let me get this right. We appoint a DoF only to get Moyes back. IF this happens then the likes of Brands should walk.
Interim or not this club will be shameless on all levels if he comes back and tells you everything you need to know. It will never move forward. A dinosaur mentality of a club at every level.
Kenny Smith
32 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:48:59
Moyes should not be considered under any circumstances. He left with the club with everyone’s blessing and best wishes but betrayed us, secretly scheming and plotting with Sir Whisky nose for months whilst employed by Everton to basically rob us of our 2 most influential players.
We can’t forget that and as Evertonians we’ve got long memory’s . we have to have to remember the last time we competed properly for anything.
Relegation would be the end or at least the postponement of Bramley Moore.
For the first time in years I’m genuinely not bothered about what’s happening at Castle Grey Skull across the park because I’m too concerned about our club and the shit we’ve found ourselves in.
I don’t know where we go from here or who should replace Silva but Moyes even till the end of the season is not the answer.
Clive Rogers
33 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:49:07
Just heard that Osman and Hibbert are coming back.
Tom Dodds
34 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:57:48



Mark Dunford
35 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:03:54
We may be four points below Euro Qualification but we're playing like a side that has lost badly to all three promoted teams and is lucky to be four points ahead of the trio occupying the relegation slots. Silva may only last because there is no obvious alternative and the immediate fixture list is horrendous. It won't be the first time this year that he appears to have clung on to his job for a combination of luck and no real sense of what the alternative could be. To my mind, he should have been out before the first international break.

Hard to say that he has been lucky given the injuries and the dreadful VAR decisions but we always seemed to pick something small up when he was under most pressure and this saved him.

Arteta would be a gamble, Pochettino is almost certainly out of reach and Benitez untouchable. Not a lot of options left.

Mal van Schaick
36 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:30:10
I’m sorry that it’s not working out for Silva. A combination of poor decisions by Brands and the board, combined with poor player performances and manager team selection and tactics has lead to the demise of current form.

The fans pay and expect to see passion and commitment on the pitch, but the play is disjointed and unorganised in particular in the final third of the pitch, and an inability to defend properly. This is managerial responsibility.

I can’t see Moyes being the saviour with his boring negative tactics. If there is a change it may be to freshen up what we all ready have before the transfer window.

The only proven person that I can see who may be available is Benitez.

Michael Lynch
37 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:42:13
Moyes did a heroic job in difficult circumstances. But that was then and this is now. We simply don't have enough Moyes style players for it to work. What would be the first Moyes team? I'd guess:

Pickford, Coleman, Brian Labone, Dave Watson, Baines, Osman, Davies, Iwobi,, Niasse, Tosun, Duncan Ferguson.

As for Arteta, he'd be the complete opposite. He'd go:

Pickford, Walcott, Holgate, Bobby Moore, Digne, Siggi, Richarlison, Bernard on crutches, Iwobi, Walcott again, Darcey Bussell

We're fucking doomed.

Tony McNulty
38 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:43:14
With the upcoming fixture list it's probably too late to consider a manager for the medium/longer term.

The immediate objective is consolidation, survival, grinding out points etc.

That's why I think an A..ard... or Moyes-type will be on his way for the rest of the season.

Michael Lynch
39 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:45:58
They'll stick with Silva for at least another defeat, sorry - I mean game.

Steve Ferns
40 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:25:54
If Everton appoint Moyes, then this shows Brands is done at Everton. How on earth can he be on the board, and in charge of football affairs, only to have Kenwright choose the manager?
Dale Rose
41 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:30:28
Dont hold back mate. Can't disagree with you.
Joe Bibb
42 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:04:18
People on here are saying that Moyes had no money while he was at Goodison, if had some he would have been great. Well he went to the Champions of England, one of the richest clubs in the World and was sacked before he even made one season. He was laughed out of Spain, told to leave Sunderland and not wanted by West Ham.
But somehow, this total failure is wanted by some Everton fans!
We are now a laughing stock, a small time club fearing relegation, with no ambition to win anything.
We are fed 'Fake News' about a new stadium, yet haven't as yet even applied for planning permission.
Moshiri is out of his depth, Fat Sam showed that with his appointment.
We don't try to get Mourhinio, or Poch, or even try to get any TOP manager, no we want Moyes back, ha, ha ha, the Kopites are wetting themselves laughing at us.
If Moyes comes back, I will never go to a match again until he is shown the door.
Steve Brown
43 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:30:43
Joe @ 42, our lack of ambition is indeed pathetic. I've read Moyes, Benitez, Fat Sam, Dyche, Howe, Wilder as options on here - if the fans have that level of ambition then the club will continue to get away with murder for the next 30 years.

Steve @ 40, glad you back posting as your posts are always interesting. Sure you advocated for Silva but I was once adamant that Walter Smith was the greatest maangerial hire since HK1. Do you still believe that we haven't got the budget to hire a top manager? If so, then we will be stuck with one of the list above which is truly depressing (excluding Benitez who is thankfully earning 12 million a year as a busted flush in China).

Steve Ferns
44 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:41:14
Steve, it's not just the wages, it's the total package. The new manager will be on £5m - £10m a year. Silva was only on £3m a year, compared to Koeman's £6m. Mourinho received £25m for each year at Utd. Simeone is supposedly on £35m a year!

On top of the wages, is the transfer funds. Who on earth will want to come down to the foot of the Premier League and work with Gylfi Sigurdsson and Morgan Schniederlin? Any prospective high profile new manager will want a guarantee that they have significant funds to overhaul the squad.

Forgetting FFP, where do we get these funds from? The club is not rich, just because we have billionaire owner. People seem to overestimate his wealth too. Wolves and Leicester have richer owners. No one mentions that. Why would Moshiri put his hand in his pocket and give us another £200m?

Think about it. What's the cost to Everton if we limped home in 17th? It's a lot less than £200m that's for sure. So, Moshiri is more likely to get in someone who is so grateful to have the job they won't be demanding a huge transfer fund.

Someone like Howe, Dyche or Arteta would agree to work under Brands too. Arteta would probably even be glad of it. I doubt Moyes will agree to having someone else signing players for him.

Dave McDowell
45 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:47:08
Of course we will appoint Moyes, it is so Everton just examine the facts:

We appoint Moyes despite his track record of never winning anything and failure to get Preston in the top flight.
We stick with Moyes for 11 years of silverware drought and never winning away at the Sky 4.
We retain Moyes in charge despite his acceptance of the United job prior to the season end.
We appoint Martinez after he relegates Wigan.
We appoint Koeman knowing he never wanted to come and was using our interest as contract leverage until Saints called his bluff.
We appoint "disgraced" former one game England manager Sam Allardyce.
We appoint Silva despite his record of relegation with Hull and table plummeting performance with Watford.

My apologies if I have omitted any other embarrassments plus I couldn't face revisiting Walker & Smith.

Of course Moyes is coming back its "the Everton way".

Steve Ferns
46 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:50:22
Dave, where does Brands fit into it all though?

Surely, the title should be: "Brands on the brink with Moyes set to return".

Dave Abrahams
47 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:54:34
If Kenwright wasn’t still part of Everton’s board, and he should’ve well gone, then the ginger Scotsman wouldn’t get al look in, he is past what was his best and will split the fans 60/40 at least with the 60% against him, and I think I am being generous to dour Dave.
Kevin Molloy
48 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:58:59
Evertonians need to open their eyes. We are a hugely unattractive proposition right now. Pocchetino would probably be offended if we approached him, that's how bad it is right now. Weve got no money. The blonde fool blew £200m and it aint coming back. It doesn't matter if Moshiri actually put some of his own money in, we couldn't spend it.
We are also the worst team in the league right now. We haven't even played any one good, but already the 3 promoted teams have all beaten us by multiple goals to nil. So, we need somebody to come in, get us safe, be told he can only spend what he brings in, and is happy to just sign a 6 month contract. If there's a better candidate than Moyes for that horrendous list of requirements I'm not sure who it is.
Dave Abrahams
49 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:04:26
Steve (44), nice and glad to see you back. As to your “ I doubt if Moyes will agree to have someone else signing his players for him”, well Steve, Moyes will be so glad to get back into football, especially in the top flight, he’ll do handstands all the way here at any cost. Moyes in = me and I imagine a few more out. Mugs wanted, apply at Goodison Park, there are loads of vacancies, if Moyes comes back.
Michael Lynch
50 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:05:40
Kevin, sadly it's Sam.

Anyone want to buy a season ticket off me?

Moshiri must be cursing the day he got involved with this club. Welcome to the joys of Everton mate - it costs you shitloads of money, most of your time, and all of your sanity.

Derek Thomas
51 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:06:53
Doddy Vs Marshy, The Moyes Out Brigade, remember all that.

MOB - we're getting the band back together.

Jay Woods
52 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:07:06
@ Mal van Schaick: Your post highlights a very important point, which is this:

A football team is - like the weather, for example - what mathematicians call a "complex system", meaning the results it produces are the outcome of a broad variety of input factors.

The elite clubs understand this and work on the basis of optimising every controllable input factor. Hence, not only do they secure the best players they can, they also have the best medical teams, dietitians, scouting setups, youth systems, financial planners, and so on that they can afford. They don't just overly focus on the playing and coaching staff, like lesser clubs do; for them, it's club-wide forensic detail, right down to - dare I say it - the metaphorical guy who sells the hotdogs (to invoke Klopp's inadvertently revealing quip pre the recent Man City game at Anfield).

That all said, of course our manager is not good enough and the same can be said for the playing staff and, for now, the Director of Football. But those things are symptoms of a more deeply rooted malaise: the club hierarchy's culture and philosophy.

We could (hypothetically) have a Klopp or Guardiola at the helm and we could have a huge budget to spend on new talent, but it wouldn't be enough. The people at the very top of the club have the wrong outlook and that metastasises into every fibre of the club, from the tea ladies to the players.

The bluntest way to say it is this: we will never return to greatness while Bill Kenwright is within a 100 mile radius of Everton's affairs. I'll go further and add that Moshiri is every ounce as useless; exhibit A being his toleration of Kenwright.

The fans have to decide what they want too. Are we happy with patronising substitutes for success like the Everton in the Community stuff, or do we demand a revolution in the club's culture? Do we accept it's our lot to literally be in Liverpool's shadow forever, and console ourselves with an ever distant glorious past and the fact that we, unlike the Kopites, would never stoop so low as to enact any kind of meaningful protest?

Personally, having read the recent comments about wanting / not wanting the team to win under certain special conditions (i.e. if it meant the removal of a bad manager), it seems plain to me that most of us can tolerate "an acceptable level of mediocrity" and are unwilling to take the strategic, longer term view, preferring instead to proceed on a one game at a time basis. The worst part of that, though, is that the club hierarchy know this. And that forms a negative feedback loop (again, using a mathematical analogy) to the club's culture.

In conclusion, the team's present plight is the outcome of many causes, both immediate (such as the useless manager and unbalanced squad) and higher (such as the hierarchy's culture). But nobody comes out of this squeaky clean, because even we, the fans, are culpable for tolerating it, for applauding Kenwright that day at Goodison, for allowing ourselves to be taken for granted by the club and for failing to be more outspoken or demonstrably unhappy out of fear of being castigated as crypto Kopites. It's a truly terrible time to be a Toffeeman, but if we can at least recognise the root of our team's woes, then maybe there is hope that sooner or later we can return to the elite table of English football. In the meantime, the best we can expect is a quick fix managerial change... But sooner or later we'll be back to square one, having these discussions all over again.

Steve Ferns
53 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:08:39
Dave, I supported Moyes. I think he did a very good job for us overall. I am very grateful for the stability he brought us and the platform he built for someone to take us on. Martinez showed what that platform was and immediately shot us up to 72 points which is nearly always enough for top 4, sometimes even 2nd.

So as someone who was more or less pro-Moyes (though much less so as he went stale), I am very much anti-Moyes now. I know lots of other blues who have an identical position to me and would be very much against his re-appointment, even for the shortest possible time.

Dave McDowell
54 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:13:13
Steve, I agree Moyes with his "total control approach" seems incompatible with the post of DoF.

Of course this raises the shaky hand on the tiller of Bill Kenwright.

You can envisage the scenario of Moyes returning (on a theoretical short term basis) and the lockstep relationship of Bill & Davie undermining Brands to the point of him leaving.

It seemed our owner had completely bought into the DoF philosophy and in appointing Brands I felt we got the real deal. He has let Silva down in the acquisition in a number of positions but we are unaware of the restraints he also may be working under.

Moyes just feels like Allardyce MKII, panic appointment and I am sure if Bill Kenwright wasn't there Moyes wouldn't even be countenanced.

Pivotal moment for Brands Steve, stand by his principals and (my expectations) why he joined Everton or roll over accept Moyes, shut up, take his money and wait for the next big job offer.

Pat Kelly
55 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:16:25
If Moshiri favoured giving Silva more time then he knows even less about football than Silva does. Shouldn't he trust his DOF. Presumably Brands has a short list. If not, he should go too. Just get on with it.
Chris Williams
56 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:17:44
According to ‘Sky Sources’ it seems to be coming down to Moyes and Howe. So if Howe doesn’t want it, well there we go.

I can’t see Brands accepting that, at least I hope he doesn’t . I guess I can understand why Moshiri is reluctant to get rid of Silve, given the time, effort and cost it took to get him here. He nailed his colours to the mast there, but even he must see that a red line was crossed on Saturday in that display. I was trying to remember a worse display and I was struggling. It was even worse than the Sheffield U experience, and against a worse team. They could have scored more.

Derek Thomas
57 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:18:43
Jay Woods @ 52; Epic post and so true.

Edit; High Noon has come and gone, still no announcement...'do not forsake me oh my darling'

Where's Coop when you need him. #holdingoutforahero.

Pat Kelly
58 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:24:22
Latest rumour online is we're going for a little known Irish manager Marc O'Silva.
Barry Johnson
59 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:24:34
Moshiri would be well advised to stick with Silva for at least the next four games. Based on current form, Everton will gain no points, and no new manager wants a poor start. Let Silva face the flack, get those games out of the way, and then appoint a new manager.
Nitesh Kanchan
60 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:29:55
@ Jay Woods : What about Jorge Jesus and him bringing Everton, Renier, Gabigol along with him. That might convince Brazilians Richy and Bernard to stay as well and with Kean, DCL, Davies, Gbamin and Anthony, that would guarantee goals.
Bryan Houghton
61 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:45:12
Real sense of anger, frustration and disappointment from pretty much everyone here, (forums) and at Goodison on match day.

For me atleast, I think maybe this could be to do with my heightened ‘expectations’ (as opposed to only really having ‘hopes’, in the Moyes era).

So in trying to make sense of what the club should do about the situation we are in, and trying to be more objective about my reasoning, 6 questions have occurred to me..
In my opinion, this season -

Are we going to get relegated – Very unlikely
Are going to get into Europe – very unlikely
Any silverware – also, very unlikely
After the money spent in last 18mths, the plans for the BMD, the recruitment of a internationally, and highly regarded DoF, and the sacking of x3 well regarded managers (x2 are now very successfully managing national teams) are we to become a laughing stock, if we ditch after 15 games – (Watford, anyone ?) – almost definitely
Can we afford to pay off the current manager (compensation), buy a new manager (wages) pay off his previous club (their compensation), then re-invest in new players this xmas when it is nigh impossible to offload junk, and buy quality in January without spending sh*tloads, and looking desperate – almost definetly not.
Any real difference between 17th place and 7th place to justify a £200+ million re-investment – sadly, not particularly.
Is there better value in instead of a mid-term panic, with a knee-jerk money splurge, holding till the end of the season, and investing this money more calmly and in a much better market ? - Probably.

Personally, and based on my views on the questions above, I think we should keep Silva till the end of the season. I hope that Brands, and Moshiri think so as well.

I don’t however expect this to be a popular viewpoint, shared by many, if any at all.

Colin Metcalfe
62 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:49:32
I would rather take my chance with Silva than dithering Dave, he really will take us just like Sunderland!!
Steve Ferns
63 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:52:44
Colin, he'd be talking of fighting relegation in his first press conference. There'd be nothing on trying to get back into the top 6. It'd be all managing expectations and all the boring crap we used to put up with.

May as well change the club motto to "Keep it tight and pinch one".

Julian Exshaw
64 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:56:16
Julian Exshaw
65 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:56:58
I'm not going to comment on Silva as a coach but he is a decent man. He's not your red top scum media darling because he has class and respect for others. When I and many other Evertonians went to see us play in Sion last summer the only member of staff who bothered to come over for photos and a chat was Silva. The abuse he got on Saturday, while understandable given the circumstances, was reminiscent of Roman times with the crowd baying for his head. We all fail. We all have our weaknesses but we all have a right to be treated with a degree of respect.
Andrew Ellams
66 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:59:02
Steve he'd be right though wouldn't he. We are a month from Christmas with a run if games that could well dump us into the bottom 3 going into the second half of the season. People need to accept that we aee not a top 6 club, we are much closer to the likes of West Ham and Bournemouth.
Pat Kelly
67 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:59:46
Bryan #60, I think the real concern is Silva would take us down. He's a broken man with a broken team. There's no way back for him.
Chris Cole
68 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:11:34
@Kevin #48 - we really aren't the worst team in the league right now - there's an awful lot of poor teams this season; 5th place Wolves only have 5 points more than us!

Losing to the bottom team doesn't automatically make us the worst - I know we were rubbish, but that was the first game this season that Norwich had had their first-choice centre-back partnership from last season playing together, and the confidence boost it gave the rest of their team was massive.

We won our previous game, away at Southampton, who are below us! They really should have beaten Arsenal easily on Saturday but for profligate finishing, doesn't say a lot about Arsenal...
Watford got beat 3-0 at home by Burnley on Saturday - their only win this season was at Norwich (who were playing with a DM at CB) where Norwich gifted them a sloppy goal after 70 seconds and the home team's balloon was burst as they were at a low ebb anyway.
West Ham are terrible - their goalie gifts the opposition a couple of goals a game - we beat them too, recently.
I could go on about the other teams around us.

International Break came at a great time for Norwich. They won the Championship last season - they aren't a bad side - they've just been ravaged by injuries at the start of the season.

What I am trying to say is: let's stop panicking and avoid getting in another short-term firefighter manager and appoint somebody for the long-term, otherwise, we are just throwing away another entire season. We are not cut adrift - we aren't even in the relegation zone! Relegation is 3 from 16 teams - we are more than good enough to avoid that - just like last time, when the panic set in too early (not for the sacking, but for the appointment).
Less than 1/3 of the season has gone - there's loads of games to rectify this season and take something from it.

Surely Moyes isn't the answer? What is Brands doing...? Does the bloke have any influence at our club? Surely his position is untenable if Moyes returns. Actually, everyone on the board's position is untenable if Davey returns...

Christy Ring
69 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:16:07
Moyes is past his sell by date, he ended up at Sunderland, it's embarrassing and stinks of Kenwright, who should be shown the door along with Silva. Poch, is probably out of our reach, I'd love to see Arteta, and a fresh approach, I think his time is right after working under Wenger and Pep, for the last 3/4 years.
Bryan Houghton
70 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:19:06
Pat (66) - I understand that that is the fear of many, but I don't think he is broken (yet), and I don't think the team is broken (yet) either.

I think his intransigence (formations, tactics) increases his risk of breaking, certainly - but he has, I think, decent people around him, and he has shown that he can (albeit tentatively) be more flexible - zonal (last year) man-to-man (occasionally) this year.
He is also an intelligent man, and as Julian comments, I think a decent, and reasonable man.
I think he can learn, and 'mend' both himself, and a very dysfunctional team (albeit that some of this, but not all, dysfunction is down to him).

Most people in the summer acknowledged that time was needed to get this team balanced and functioning as a cohesive and penetrating team. Right now, despite the anger, frustration and disappointment, and fear - now is the 'time' that is needed, and I think he needs the 'time' till the end of the season - for all the reasons given in my earlier (60) post.

I don't think we will go down, and I don't think he will take us down, if he stays.

He may even turn this around, both for himself and the team as a whole (tho to be fair this is now becoming more of a hope, than an expectation given the strength of feeling surrounding him, and the increasing media momentum to make a story, which only fuels those feelings)

Steve Ferns
71 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:20:54
Spot on Chris. If Moyes returns then Brands is well and truly sidelined.

Imagine if all of us where on the board, and Brands said he wanted to hire someone. Would you really try to convince him he is wrong, and that you knew better? If anyone (on the board) thinks Brands is wrong or they know better then why the hell did we hire him?

If anyone thinks they know better than Brands and they are a theatre producer, a charity CEO, an accountant or whatever, then they really need to have a word with themselves.

Steve Ferns
72 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:24:49
Bryan, I think if the change does not happen now, as in today, then Silva will get Leicester. The fans will be behind him at Leicester because the likes of Rob Halligan will always back the manager when he's in the dugout. If Silva gets a result there and the board still cannot line anyone up, then he gets the derby as well. If somehow Silva picks up points from those games, particularly doing the impossible and beating Liverpool, then surely he will get until Christmas?
Kevin Molloy
73 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:29:42
Moyes knows more than Brands I think. In the premiership era, has there been a more effective operator in the transfer market? I am struggling to think of one. HIs recruitment (other than strikers) was absolutely outstanding, for over a decade.
Arteta Cahill Lescott Jags Distin Stones Coleman Baines Neville all bought for buttons most became ten times more valuable.
Andrew Keatley
74 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:35:47
Steve (70) - We don’t know what Brands is saying. Maybe he has nobody that he has identified as his choice as next manager of this club. Maybe Moyes is only in the frame to be given the job Allardyce was of guiding us to safety to give Brands time and space to find our next manager. Maybe Moyes is only an option because Brands wants Silva gone, doesn’t trust Unsworth as caretaker, and thinks it may take a while to secure the “right” manager for this club. We’re all - as ever - pissing in the wind, but inferring that Brands is being sidelined if Moyes returns is just your best guess and nothing more.

For what it is worth, I would not be happy to see Moyes back at the club.

Steve Ferns
75 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:37:32
Kevin, but don't forget James Beattie, Jermaine Beckford, Per Koldrup, Darren Gibson, Andy van der Meyde, Royston Drenthe, Matteo Ferrari …

He signed some shite too. So, no, I certainly would not want Moyes in charge of transfers. I would even say that most of the big money signings were not his best. His best was when he signed players for peanuts.

He also did a great interview on the coaches' voice (or something) on YouTube where he said he had a great knowledge of the Championship when he came to Everton and so knew all about the likes of Cahill. He's not like that now.

Kevin Molloy
76 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:41:48
all those players you listed, what do you reckon the loss was on them in total?

and just before he left, he gave us John Stones for £3m. so I've no reason to think he's just forgot how to spot a player

Steve Ferns
77 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:42:12
Andrew, it is certainly a guess. The Director of Football should have a candidate ready at all times. Look at that Stuart Webber interview I posted. He has two lined up at any time. Silva could be poached, he could drop dead, he could be hurt in a car accident, anything could happen and Brands should be ready. He should have people lined up.
Bryan Houghton
78 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:44:06
Steve - I understand the logic in those views, but at the same time I think this situation is more of a crisis of confidence.
I think there has been some good stuff this season, and a lot of bad stuff - some of the bad stuff has been performance, and some has been bad luck - very bad luck with injuries (Gbamin, and Gomes freakish bad luck), even VAR has stuck the boot in.
However, it is always at the worst of times that our confidence is at our lowest - and it is at those times that holding steady, and working thru it is often the most pragmatic way of improving this confidence.
We are not yet half way thru the season, there is still plenty of time to restore that confidence - despite the liklihood of neither europe, silverware or I believe, relegation.
I still say we hold till the end of the season.
Jamie Crowley
79 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:49:16
Can someone fix the "jump to last" feature / link on this thread.

My thumb is going to dislocate later today while scrolling down on my phone.

Trevor Peers
80 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:54:23
Typical Everton as they 'ponder' a change of manager, you couldn't make it up. How many more defeats do we have to suffer. I'd take Eddie Howe he seems to have some much needed true grit and deserves his chance, West ham are also interested.

I suppose it depends if Howe's wife would be happy to move North, otherwise it will have to be Moyes, who knows how to organise good players, and will put points on the board and that's all that matters for now. Silva has to go now or we'll keep losing in very embarrassing fashion.

Dave Williams
81 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:58:06
With all of the speculation the board needs to either do the deed or say that he is staying.
Dave Abrahams
82 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:07:51
Kevin (72), not one of those players you mention became ten times more valuable, nothing back on Cahill, Jagielka,Distin and Neville, Baines andColman are still here and like Moyes himself became millionaires, don’t think he was fussy on Stones, didn’t he leave it to one of the other coaches to make the final decision.
Richard Nelson
83 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:09:33
The likeable Tim Cahill seems to know what he's talking about...calm & assured...quite impressive..!
Kieran Kinsella
84 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:13:49
The $un “Howe May be ready to leave Bournemouth after a run of 7 games with only one win”

Also, does anyone remember Moyes record versus the top clubs? If so why the rush to get him in for these games?

Mike Doyle
85 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:15:05
I suspect Steve 71] has it right. However do any of us really expect to pick up much from the next 2 games - or those that follow.
The silence from the Goodison corridors of power is deafening.
Kristian Boyce
86 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:18:51
Steve @76 I said the same thing on another post the other day. The DoF’s job is to have a current list of player transfer targets along with a list of potential managers/coaches. The whole idea of a DoF is that there is continuity and no disruption if a coach leaves no matter the circumstances as there will be a replacement already lined up. Look at the big teams across Europe who follow the DoF model, they replace a manager within a day, if not hours.

I got shot down by a couple of Brands fans as I questioned if there wasn’t a running list of potential replacements, then this was a flaw. But saying that, I’m thinking that as Silva hasn’t gone yet, Brands actually has a list and is feeling out potential replacements who are already in a job and Silva will get the chop once he has secured on of them. I also would highly doubt David Moyes or Mark Hughes would be on any DoF’s list of potential candidates for any team at the moment.

Kieran Kinsella
87 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:19:12

Fair point. The players seem to like him but there actions don’t support their words. Just waiting on Coleman’s usual “we can’t keep sacking coaches the players need to step up” meaningless sound bite

Steve Ferns
88 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:30:53
Kristian, I suspect Brands has a list with Ten Haag at the top of it (because he's Dutch and doing well!), but he's out of reach. I wonder who his safe option is though. I doubt that is Moyes.

Spurs might have appointed Mourinho in 12 hours, but they took around 9 days to sack Pochettino. If there's one thing I want to see from the board this time around, it's that we do not simply sack Silva and then look for a replacement. We need someone lined up. And that takes time, unless it is someone like Moyes who will sign a blank contract because he is desperate for the job.

Anyone else heard Silva went to Portugual straight after the game. He will be back tomorrow for training. Apparently this is normal. Yet I've heard how he had meetings with players on a Sunday after the game in the past. It can't be normal to have two days off after a game. If he really is in Portugal then he's gone for sure.

Brian Wilkinson
89 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:30:58
I know we have been stagment for a while, however could the current problem be down to us having a director of football where the problem is.

Some Managers prefer not to have a d.o.f, we have had two different d.o.f so far, could that be our problem, alongside poor Manager recruitment.

Kevin Molloy
90 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:40:02
players don't need to be sold for their value to improve on the market. Moyes signed Stones, whether he delegated it or not is entttled to get the credit for it.
James Stewart
91 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:50:14
I've seen nothing to suggest that Brands has any weight into the choice of manager. His remit is player recruitment.

I hope this is not the case and he is indeed pushing people like Haag, but it seems BK is still has the ear of Moshiri, which would explain their disgusting track record of appointments.

Pat Kelly
92 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:58:14
I'm waiting on the Chairman's vote of confidence. Then we'll know for sure Silva is finished.
Martin Reppion
93 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:00:09
In the words of Corporal Jones, Don't Panic!
On the other hand, what else have we got?
I brought my sons to the game on Saturday. They asked was it the worst I'd ever seen. I said that as I'd had a season ticket throughout the 90s I'd seen plenty as bad.
What I can not understand is this thing called confidence. I looked at the Norwich side and thought man for man Everton are a better team. We made the young right back look like a world beater, but apart from that I saw nothing to make me think I'd be trying to buy their squad in January. So all I need from my manager is to tell the players: 'You are better than the man opposite. Go out and run harder, think quicker and justify your pay packets.'
If the players don't believe they are better than the man in front of them then either they or the manager shouldn't be there.
For the next month I suspect they will huff and puff and battle against teams they think they are not as good as. Sadly, a valiant defeat after a spirited performance gets the same points as a toothless capitulation against the league's bottom club.
If I knew what the answer was I'd be a football manager. I'm not. But having seen performances as weak minded as this before, I'm not sure that getting rid of the manager (and half the players) is a long term solution. Those who can remember seeing Everton booed off the pitch on New Year's Eve in 1983, and the headlines calling for Howard Kendall's sacking, might be surprised to recall also that exactly the same team walked out at Wembley 5 months later at the start of the most successful period in the club's history.
So its back to Corporal Jones.
Mike Gaynes
94 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:02:34
James, by definition a DOF would have strong input into the choice of manager. That's the job description. And having been promoted to the Board himself, Brands clearly carries weight.
Ed Prytherch
95 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:02:45
Of course Arteta or any other young coach is a risk. Frank Lampard was a risk. When things are going well you avoid risk and when things are going badly you are forced to take risks. All good coaches were once young and inexperienced. The upside of someone like Arteta is that there is a reasonable chance that he will be a very good coach and we will have a few seasons of happy football. If he doesn't work out then we sack him and try another one. If we hire Chris Hughton or Dyche then we know we will get an honest journeyman coach who may keep us in mid table. I would like to see us gamble but it should be on someone who the fans and players will respect.
Phil Martin
96 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:06:26
Ten Haag would be in Poch, Simeone etc bag. Amazing but sadly out of reach for us. Even Rodgers is probably out of reach.
Dave Abrahams
97 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:09:36
Kevin (89), fair enough understand that, in fact Seamus would have gone for ten times his initial value, Moyes can’t get the credit for a player he wasn’t fussy on, I could go on and on about some of the other players, although Iliked all of them at some stage of their Everton career but the point is Kevin, you like Moyes and want him to come back here, so you will point out what you see as his good points, fair enough,on the other hand Idon’t want him with a million miles of Everton.

On the day Moyes said his good bye to a huge crowd on his final game here,he was applauded like a hero, unbelievable, after stating he was going a few weeks before his eventual departure, he was still giving contracts to players, with the blessing of the chairman.

Moyes, the only manager in the premier league getting paid more than any of his players,( until Arteta got a rise to keep him here) and he believed that should be the case, a manager who didn’t know where, how or when to play the best player we have had since the premier league started, Wayne Rooney, a player Bobby Robson and Alan Shearer, watching him in the stands versus Bolton, were drooling over, as they called him “ this exceptional talent “ dour Dave said “ he never scored did he”. I’ve never moaned over his going to Man. United, too delighted to see the back of him.

So Kevin you want him back, and I don’t, Ibet you are as good an Evertonian as me or better, one of us is going to be disappointed at the outcome, Ihope it’s you Kev, Iknow you’ll understand. Best wishes.

Dave Abrahams
98 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:15:00
By the way, I definitely wasn’t one of the crowd who stayed behind at Moyes’ farewell game, I was out of that ground as soon as the final whistle went, Free at last, Free at last, Free at last were my thoughts.
Kevin Molloy
99 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:19:57
i was just as gutted at the manner of his leaving as anybody. Talking about how he was wearing the wrong trousers for his audience with SAF appalled me. But that was then. i've had time to reflect on his many good points since then. He is an honourable geeaer in these shark infested waters. Alot of people cite Sunderland, which agreed was a disaster. Not many people would have allowed his four year contract to be voluntarily terminated like he did. He's also a good manager, who will work day and night to make sure we don't drop out of the division, and will demand the same of his players. Look, if we were in a good position, I'd agree with everyone that we've moved on. And we have moved on, just backwards sadly rather than forwards, to the extent that Moyes skills I think are now exactly what we need.
Dave Abrahams
100 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:30:58
Kevin (98), we’ll never agree over Moyes mate, like you I think we are in a desperate position and hope we stay up, I won’t mention “ the honourable geezer” bit, but wouldn’t mind him being in shark infested waters alongside his ex chairman, in fact I’d be cheering the sharks on !!!
Steve Ferns
101 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:39:44
Martin #92 good post.

What really, really pissed me off is that I said before the game that Norwich were no pushovers. I identified their two fullbacks, though the left back Jamal Lewis was missing, and explained how they were energiser bunnies and would be up and down all game long. I said how that left winger was lightning fast and looked very good in the last match. I said about cantwell too. I expected Steipermann to play but called him a Championship Gylfi. He didn't play and they looked better for it. But if I could see that, then why couldn't Silva. It was obvious that they had enough to hurt us. I thought we needed play a bit more counter-attacking, which silva prefers, and have pace. Instead he picked Tosun and Sigurdsson. If we had the pace of Calvert-Lewin and Iwobi instead, and kept the rest of the team the same, but tried to play more counter-attacking, it would have been a different game. I don't buy into this "let them worry about us" mentality, and I would have thought Silva was better than that too. Norwich have serious flaws and you just need to hit them fast on the break and you can beat them easily. I was so pissed off.

Lenny Kingman
102 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:58:24
With the Arsenal connections we seem to have been accumulating over recent times, Moshiri and the potential money bags Kazakstahni, why not get Wenger in, with Arteta once more as his understudy. Maybe they can wake up Walcott. And all the other oxygen stealers taking vast wages for no product.

It's all been very depressing for Blues fans for a very long time. Arsene and Arteta may stop the football world at large laughing their manky heads off at our antics and give the club back the respect that has overall been lost for this once great club.

Of course Wenger may go sacre bleu at the notion of it but he does seem to want another job in football. But at the elite level of Bayern Munich it seems. But if it's a real challenge he wants then this is the place for him.

John Keating
103 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:21:57
A few double acts mentioned on various threads, such as Arteta and Cahill.
If Moshiri does go for Moyes I'd like him to be paired with Marshy.
Has a bit of a ring to it.
We may get relegated but it would be great fun.
Mike Gaynes
104 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:29:26
John #102, there are a fair number of posters on TW who would like to see Moyes paired with Sweeney Todd.

Dave #99, heard what happened, glad you're OK and feeling better, my friend.

Bill Griffiths
105 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:37:07
While I don't dislike Moyes as much as some on here to bring him back would be a mistake of epic proportions.
I know there's always paper talk and speculation at times like this but I get the feeling that his return is looking more and more likely all be it on a temporary basis. I hope this doesn't happen and get the impression the vast majority of fans feel the same.
If it does we need to make our feelings on this plain to the idiots running out club.
Ray Roche
106 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:40:30

Wenger has taken a job with FIFA, I think.
And why would Arteta leave the current Champions and the richest club in Britain to come to our car crash of a club to continue as an understudy?

Mike Gaynes
107 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:47:44
Lenny, Ray is correct. Wenger was just named FIFA's new Chief of Global Football Development.

And according to one article I read, part of his portfolio will be making VAR work better. Especially in the PL.

If there's a tougher job than managing Everton, he's found it.

Ray Roche
108 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:52:39
So Mike, after years of saying “I didn’t see it “ Wenger gats the VAR gig?
You couldn’t make it up!
Dave Abrahams
109 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:55:32
Mike (103, thanks Mike, it wasn’t as bad as it looked and I was okay after a couple of days, that performance on Saturday hurt me more and missing Harry Catterick’s night at Goodison on Friday.
Joe McMahon
110 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:02:18
Just got home, started trawling the net and guess what, we are gonna rock the premier league with Either Moyes of Howe. Yeah the club are going big time. So never played in champions league and never F,ing will!. Can our board not see what Wolves and Leicester are doing? I'm 50 now and after years of nothing I just want to see us compete
Mike Gaynes
111 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:02:43
Ray #107, great laugh. But that article was in the Mirror I believe, so there's actually a pretty good chance somebody made it up!!
Mark Guglielmo
112 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:51:09
Michael @37, I'm struggling with this

"As for Arteta, he'd be the complete opposite. He'd go:

Pickford, Walcott, Holgate, Bobby Moore, Digne, Siggi, Richarlison, Bernard on crutches, Iwobi, Walcott again, Darcey Bussell"


Chris @68 the most rational post in this thread by a country mile. Excellent, level-headed analysis. It isn't surprising that no one acknowledged it.

Stewart Oakes
113 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:37:43
I'd rather see Willie Kirk moved across than see Moyes anywhere near Goodison Park.
Chris Jenkins
114 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:37:57
I agree totally with Kevin Molloy's several posts about the positives for reappointing David Moyes as manager and have consistently argued for this over the last 18 months in these columns.

We are in an extremely precarious position, Moyes has a very good track record at the club in the transfer market with the paucity of financial resources at his disposal. I firmly believe he has the ability to ensure that the current crop of very mediocre players [ and for the most part that's what Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva have brought to the club] would punch well above their weight and stave off the increasing likelihood of relegation, which is the thing that worries me most of all.

Yes he made a terrible mistake going to United and the manner of his departure could have been more honourable but his tenure there, although much shorter, was in reality not significantly worse than Van Gaal or Mourinho.

I don't think Moyes would be prepared to work under a Director of Football, but I don't believe Brands has made much of a positive contribution in his 17 months at the club.

We are where we are and retention of premiership status is absolutely crucial. Even if it is only on a short term basis I see Moyes as the the best candidate to take over from the present incumbent

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