The journalist writes that the Blues' hierarchy met in the aftermath of Saturday's awful defeat to Norwich and again today to discuss the path forward and while the club's owner favoured giving the Portuguese more time, the majority view in the boardroom is that Silva's time is up.
Maddock claims that Moyes's experience and knowledge of Everton could prompt Moshiri to appoint him, perhaps on an interim basis until May by which time it is hoped he will have secured Everton's top-flight status.
On the Daily Mail website, Mikel Arteta is mentioned as a potentially more adventurous candidate, although he is said to be on Arsenal's shortlist again as Unai Emery clings to his job at the Emirates.
The Blues sit four points above the relegation zone after 13 matches but now face a gruelling run of fixtures between now and the FA Cup 3rd round in early January.
Original Source: The Mirror
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1 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:05:38
What more can I say?
2 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:10:39
"The Blues sit four points below European qualification after 13 matches..."
Crazy, that. I wish I could post GIFs, because if Moyes is indeed the next guy, I'd post that one of Jerry Seinfeld throwing his hands up in disgust and walking out of the theater.
3 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:19:20
4 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:20:05
This is a man who left the club to do better and was fired from his last 2 clubs,,
The club might as well show how stupid they are and hire Rooney.. Remember how good H.Kendall was and how he made out when he came back.
5 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:21:55
6 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:26:32
7 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:29:33
8 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:31:35
He's either going nowhere or they're waiting on somebody still employed.
And since I'm a reverse Mystic Meg, that probably means Moyes will be announced first thing Monday or Tuesday.
If my choices (like I/we have a say) are only Moyes or Rafa I'd not be picking rs Rafa, well just for being rs Rafa.
Steve Bruce's results have put his...well he did a miracle job at Newcastle (while quickly glossing over the fact he relegated them)...in to perspective.
Everton - can't even run a total fuck up properly.
9 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:35:56
Besides, as I mentioned on another similar thread, I can never recall any Manager or player being successful when re-visiting a former Club, and that goes for any Club, not just us.
I dare say he could possibly do a firefighter type temporary appointment, and would definitely be better than Silva, but it reeks of lack of ambition, unless they have a major target lined up for the Summer, but even so hope it doesn't happen.
10 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:40:35
11 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:47:32
Remember if Arteta were to come he will not have any coaching staff and will have to use the one's at the club.
12 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:50:46
13 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:49:37
In the absence of any available, permanent, candidate I'd reluctantly settle for a short term Moyes appointment, if only on the basis that he couldn't (surely) be worse than Silva.
No, I don't lack ambition for the club; I'm a pragmatist!
I agree with Bill that Arteta, even if we could get him, would be a huge gamble. There's a world of difference in being a number 2 and he has no experience of management, at any level. We have no idea how good or bad he would be.
All we know is that Silva cannot manage at this level and his Everton tenure has followed a similar trajectory to his time at Watford and, to a lesser extent, Hull
14 Posted 25/11/2019 at 02:43:46
15 Posted 25/11/2019 at 03:25:07
WIth funds, Moyes can buy two really good centre-forwards and take us places.
16 Posted 25/11/2019 at 03:41:43
17 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:09:40
I have the romantic notion that it would be good to see Arteta and CAhil back but commonsense tells me that is too big a risk.
With this board we need a really strong character ( Mourhino at his best springs to mind). We can but dream.
18 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:41:51
19 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:51:31
Our coach was Moyes and he did it with a highly comical side of an ageing Gravesen, an unplayed Jimmy Mac, a bench of kids and Big Vic and Jimmy Vaughan ending the game up front as rookies.
Brands might just look at stuff like that and Moyes going to United and think he is enough until the end of the season.
Personally I struggle to see Moyes getting on with Richarlison but I am sure he would tighten the defence up.
20 Posted 25/11/2019 at 05:14:14
21 Posted 25/11/2019 at 05:39:28
Oh dear the drama never ends...
22 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:22:51
Around this time of year and just in time for the Christmas market, wed have Everton21, it just keeps getting worse. Starring Bill Kenwright as the worlds biggest conman, together with Farhad Moshiri as his idiotic sidekick. Not forgetting Duncan Ferguson as the Master of the Cones and Marcel Brands as the Worlds biggest money waster. And now back by popular demand its Moysey, the man who wouldnt die.You better believe it.
23 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:30:47
If you think he is going to relate us then you bring in an Allardyce and Moyes is an Allardyce.
At least no ones said ‘Steven Gerrard...yet.
24 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:36:50
What does Brands think ?
25 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:47:35
Drew #23, maybe no one you want is available, but the latest oddsmakers' boards include the names Pocchettino, Kovac, Allegri, Benitez, Hughton, Howe and Wilder, and I think if you've been reading TW today you've seen multiple TWers endorse each and every one of these. And the first four are either unemployed or about to be.
And I'll bet my mortgage that Mr. Moshiri not only would want one of these, but has already talked with one. Or more.
26 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:02:25
27 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:04:31
You say working with players of City's calibre wouldn't prepare a manager for the step-down to players of Everton's. Well, I think it actually works in the opposite direction to that. Coaching excellent players is actually a lot more demanding than limited players because the whole idea is working to make them better and more consistent. Working with shit players usually means rarely going beyond the basics, and not really demanding more of them.
Like I said, I wouldn't advocate employing a manager in his first job - which is why I'm so staunchly against Unsworth getting the job - but Arteta's credentials are probably better than most in his position, as well as better than probably half the managers in the football league an I'd take him over Moyes any day.
28 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:11:34
I'd encourage everyone else to do the same.
29 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:14:35
30 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:17:00
31 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:20:05
Interim or not this club will be shameless on all levels if he comes back and tells you everything you need to know. It will never move forward. A dinosaur mentality of a club at every level.
32 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:48:59
We cant forget that and as Evertonians weve got long memorys . we have to have to remember the last time we competed properly for anything.
Relegation would be the end or at least the postponement of Bramley Moore.
For the first time in years Im genuinely not bothered about whats happening at Castle Grey Skull across the park because Im too concerned about our club and the shit weve found ourselves in.
I dont know where we go from here or who should replace Silva but Moyes even till the end of the season is not the answer.
33 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:49:07
34 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:57:48
KENWRIGHT'S FOOTBALL CLUB
COMING SOON TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP LEAGUE. FINALLY.
35 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:03:54
Hard to say that he has been lucky given the injuries and the dreadful VAR decisions but we always seemed to pick something small up when he was under most pressure and this saved him.
Arteta would be a gamble, Pochettino is almost certainly out of reach and Benitez untouchable. Not a lot of options left.
36 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:30:10
The fans pay and expect to see passion and commitment on the pitch, but the play is disjointed and unorganised in particular in the final third of the pitch, and an inability to defend properly. This is managerial responsibility.
I cant see Moyes being the saviour with his boring negative tactics. If there is a change it may be to freshen up what we all ready have before the transfer window.
The only proven person that I can see who may be available is Benitez.
37 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:42:13
Pickford, Coleman, Brian Labone, Dave Watson, Baines, Osman, Davies, Iwobi,, Niasse, Tosun, Duncan Ferguson.
As for Arteta, he'd be the complete opposite. He'd go:
Pickford, Walcott, Holgate, Bobby Moore, Digne, Siggi, Richarlison, Bernard on crutches, Iwobi, Walcott again, Darcey Bussell
We're fucking doomed.
38 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:43:14
The immediate objective is consolidation, survival, grinding out points etc.
That's why I think an A..ard... or Moyes-type will be on his way for the rest of the season.
39 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:45:58
40 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:25:54
41 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:30:28
Dont hold back mate. Can't disagree with you.
42 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:04:18
But somehow, this total failure is wanted by some Everton fans!
We are now a laughing stock, a small time club fearing relegation, with no ambition to win anything.
We are fed 'Fake News' about a new stadium, yet haven't as yet even applied for planning permission.
Moshiri is out of his depth, Fat Sam showed that with his appointment.
We don't try to get Mourhinio, or Poch, or even try to get any TOP manager, no we want Moyes back, ha, ha ha, the Kopites are wetting themselves laughing at us.
If Moyes comes back, I will never go to a match again until he is shown the door.
43 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:30:43
Steve @ 40, glad you back posting as your posts are always interesting. Sure you advocated for Silva but I was once adamant that Walter Smith was the greatest maangerial hire since HK1. Do you still believe that we haven't got the budget to hire a top manager? If so, then we will be stuck with one of the list above which is truly depressing (excluding Benitez who is thankfully earning 12 million a year as a busted flush in China).
44 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:41:14
On top of the wages, is the transfer funds. Who on earth will want to come down to the foot of the Premier League and work with Gylfi Sigurdsson and Morgan Schniederlin? Any prospective high profile new manager will want a guarantee that they have significant funds to overhaul the squad.
Forgetting FFP, where do we get these funds from? The club is not rich, just because we have billionaire owner. People seem to overestimate his wealth too. Wolves and Leicester have richer owners. No one mentions that. Why would Moshiri put his hand in his pocket and give us another £200m?
Think about it. What's the cost to Everton if we limped home in 17th? It's a lot less than £200m that's for sure. So, Moshiri is more likely to get in someone who is so grateful to have the job they won't be demanding a huge transfer fund.
Someone like Howe, Dyche or Arteta would agree to work under Brands too. Arteta would probably even be glad of it. I doubt Moyes will agree to having someone else signing players for him.
45 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:47:08
We appoint Moyes despite his track record of never winning anything and failure to get Preston in the top flight.
We stick with Moyes for 11 years of silverware drought and never winning away at the Sky 4.
We retain Moyes in charge despite his acceptance of the United job prior to the season end.
We appoint Martinez after he relegates Wigan.
We appoint Koeman knowing he never wanted to come and was using our interest as contract leverage until Saints called his bluff.
We appoint "disgraced" former one game England manager Sam Allardyce.
We appoint Silva despite his record of relegation with Hull and table plummeting performance with Watford.
My apologies if I have omitted any other embarrassments plus I couldn't face revisiting Walker & Smith.
Of course Moyes is coming back its "the Everton way".
46 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:50:22
Surely, the title should be: "Brands on the brink with Moyes set to return".
47 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:54:34
48 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:58:59
We are also the worst team in the league right now. We haven't even played any one good, but already the 3 promoted teams have all beaten us by multiple goals to nil. So, we need somebody to come in, get us safe, be told he can only spend what he brings in, and is happy to just sign a 6 month contract. If there's a better candidate than Moyes for that horrendous list of requirements I'm not sure who it is.
49 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:04:26
50 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:05:40
Anyone want to buy a season ticket off me?
Moshiri must be cursing the day he got involved with this club. Welcome to the joys of Everton mate - it costs you shitloads of money, most of your time, and all of your sanity.
51 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:06:53
MOB - we're getting the band back together.
52 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:07:06
A football team is - like the weather, for example - what mathematicians call a "complex system", meaning the results it produces are the outcome of a broad variety of input factors.
The elite clubs understand this and work on the basis of optimising every controllable input factor. Hence, not only do they secure the best players they can, they also have the best medical teams, dietitians, scouting setups, youth systems, financial planners, and so on that they can afford. They don't just overly focus on the playing and coaching staff, like lesser clubs do; for them, it's club-wide forensic detail, right down to - dare I say it - the metaphorical guy who sells the hotdogs (to invoke Klopp's inadvertently revealing quip pre the recent Man City game at Anfield).
That all said, of course our manager is not good enough and the same can be said for the playing staff and, for now, the Director of Football. But those things are symptoms of a more deeply rooted malaise: the club hierarchy's culture and philosophy.
We could (hypothetically) have a Klopp or Guardiola at the helm and we could have a huge budget to spend on new talent, but it wouldn't be enough. The people at the very top of the club have the wrong outlook and that metastasises into every fibre of the club, from the tea ladies to the players.
The bluntest way to say it is this: we will never return to greatness while Bill Kenwright is within a 100 mile radius of Everton's affairs. I'll go further and add that Moshiri is every ounce as useless; exhibit A being his toleration of Kenwright.
The fans have to decide what they want too. Are we happy with patronising substitutes for success like the Everton in the Community stuff, or do we demand a revolution in the club's culture? Do we accept it's our lot to literally be in Liverpool's shadow forever, and console ourselves with an ever distant glorious past and the fact that we, unlike the Kopites, would never stoop so low as to enact any kind of meaningful protest?
Personally, having read the recent comments about wanting / not wanting the team to win under certain special conditions (i.e. if it meant the removal of a bad manager), it seems plain to me that most of us can tolerate "an acceptable level of mediocrity" and are unwilling to take the strategic, longer term view, preferring instead to proceed on a one game at a time basis. The worst part of that, though, is that the club hierarchy know this. And that forms a negative feedback loop (again, using a mathematical analogy) to the club's culture.
In conclusion, the team's present plight is the outcome of many causes, both immediate (such as the useless manager and unbalanced squad) and higher (such as the hierarchy's culture). But nobody comes out of this squeaky clean, because even we, the fans, are culpable for tolerating it, for applauding Kenwright that day at Goodison, for allowing ourselves to be taken for granted by the club and for failing to be more outspoken or demonstrably unhappy out of fear of being castigated as crypto Kopites. It's a truly terrible time to be a Toffeeman, but if we can at least recognise the root of our team's woes, then maybe there is hope that sooner or later we can return to the elite table of English football. In the meantime, the best we can expect is a quick fix managerial change... But sooner or later we'll be back to square one, having these discussions all over again.
53 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:08:39
So as someone who was more or less pro-Moyes (though much less so as he went stale), I am very much anti-Moyes now. I know lots of other blues who have an identical position to me and would be very much against his re-appointment, even for the shortest possible time.
54 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:13:13
Of course this raises the shaky hand on the tiller of Bill Kenwright.
You can envisage the scenario of Moyes returning (on a theoretical short term basis) and the lockstep relationship of Bill & Davie undermining Brands to the point of him leaving.
It seemed our owner had completely bought into the DoF philosophy and in appointing Brands I felt we got the real deal. He has let Silva down in the acquisition in a number of positions but we are unaware of the restraints he also may be working under.
Moyes just feels like Allardyce MKII, panic appointment and I am sure if Bill Kenwright wasn't there Moyes wouldn't even be countenanced.
Pivotal moment for Brands Steve, stand by his principals and (my expectations) why he joined Everton or roll over accept Moyes, shut up, take his money and wait for the next big job offer.
55 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:16:25
56 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:17:44
I cant see Brands accepting that, at least I hope he doesnt . I guess I can understand why Moshiri is reluctant to get rid of Silve, given the time, effort and cost it took to get him here. He nailed his colours to the mast there, but even he must see that a red line was crossed on Saturday in that display. I was trying to remember a worse display and I was struggling. It was even worse than the Sheffield U experience, and against a worse team. They could have scored more.
57 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:18:43
Edit; High Noon has come and gone, still no announcement...'do not forsake me oh my darling'
Where's Coop when you need him. #holdingoutforahero.
58 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:24:22
59 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:24:34
60 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:29:55
61 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:45:12
For me atleast, I think maybe this could be to do with my heightened ‘expectations (as opposed to only really having ‘hopes, in the Moyes era).
So in trying to make sense of what the club should do about the situation we are in, and trying to be more objective about my reasoning, 6 questions have occurred to me..
In my opinion, this season -
Are we going to get relegated – Very unlikely
Are going to get into Europe – very unlikely
Any silverware – also, very unlikely
After the money spent in last 18mths, the plans for the BMD, the recruitment of a internationally, and highly regarded DoF, and the sacking of x3 well regarded managers (x2 are now very successfully managing national teams) are we to become a laughing stock, if we ditch after 15 games – (Watford, anyone ?) – almost definitely
Can we afford to pay off the current manager (compensation), buy a new manager (wages) pay off his previous club (their compensation), then re-invest in new players this xmas when it is nigh impossible to offload junk, and buy quality in January without spending sh*tloads, and looking desperate – almost definetly not.
Any real difference between 17th place and 7th place to justify a £200+ million re-investment – sadly, not particularly.
Is there better value in instead of a mid-term panic, with a knee-jerk money splurge, holding till the end of the season, and investing this money more calmly and in a much better market ? - Probably.
Personally, and based on my views on the questions above, I think we should keep Silva till the end of the season. I hope that Brands, and Moshiri think so as well.
I dont however expect this to be a popular viewpoint, shared by many, if any at all.
62 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:49:32
63 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:52:44
May as well change the club motto to "Keep it tight and pinch one".
64 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:56:16
65 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:56:58
66 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:59:02
67 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:59:46
68 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:11:34
Losing to the bottom team doesn't automatically make us the worst - I know we were rubbish, but that was the first game this season that Norwich had had their first-choice centre-back partnership from last season playing together, and the confidence boost it gave the rest of their team was massive.
We won our previous game, away at Southampton, who are below us! They really should have beaten Arsenal easily on Saturday but for profligate finishing, doesn't say a lot about Arsenal...
Watford got beat 3-0 at home by Burnley on Saturday - their only win this season was at Norwich (who were playing with a DM at CB) where Norwich gifted them a sloppy goal after 70 seconds and the home team's balloon was burst as they were at a low ebb anyway.
West Ham are terrible - their goalie gifts the opposition a couple of goals a game - we beat them too, recently.
I could go on about the other teams around us.
International Break came at a great time for Norwich. They won the Championship last season - they aren't a bad side - they've just been ravaged by injuries at the start of the season.
What I am trying to say is: let's stop panicking and avoid getting in another short-term firefighter manager and appoint somebody for the long-term, otherwise, we are just throwing away another entire season. We are not cut adrift - we aren't even in the relegation zone! Relegation is 3 from 16 teams - we are more than good enough to avoid that - just like last time, when the panic set in too early (not for the sacking, but for the appointment).
Less than 1/3 of the season has gone - there's loads of games to rectify this season and take something from it.
Surely Moyes isn't the answer? What is Brands doing...? Does the bloke have any influence at our club? Surely his position is untenable if Moyes returns. Actually, everyone on the board's position is untenable if Davey returns...
69 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:16:07
70 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:19:06
I think his intransigence (formations, tactics) increases his risk of breaking, certainly - but he has, I think, decent people around him, and he has shown that he can (albeit tentatively) be more flexible - zonal (last year) man-to-man (occasionally) this year.
He is also an intelligent man, and as Julian comments, I think a decent, and reasonable man.
I think he can learn, and 'mend' both himself, and a very dysfunctional team (albeit that some of this, but not all, dysfunction is down to him).
Most people in the summer acknowledged that time was needed to get this team balanced and functioning as a cohesive and penetrating team. Right now, despite the anger, frustration and disappointment, and fear - now is the 'time' that is needed, and I think he needs the 'time' till the end of the season - for all the reasons given in my earlier (60) post.
I don't think we will go down, and I don't think he will take us down, if he stays.
He may even turn this around, both for himself and the team as a whole (tho to be fair this is now becoming more of a hope, than an expectation given the strength of feeling surrounding him, and the increasing media momentum to make a story, which only fuels those feelings)
71 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:20:54
Imagine if all of us where on the board, and Brands said he wanted to hire someone. Would you really try to convince him he is wrong, and that you knew better? If anyone (on the board) thinks Brands is wrong or they know better then why the hell did we hire him?
If anyone thinks they know better than Brands and they are a theatre producer, a charity CEO, an accountant or whatever, then they really need to have a word with themselves.
72 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:24:49
73 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:29:42
Moyes knows more than Brands I think. In the premiership era, has there been a more effective operator in the transfer market? I am struggling to think of one. HIs recruitment (other than strikers) was absolutely outstanding, for over a decade.
Arteta Cahill Lescott Jags Distin Stones Coleman Baines Neville all bought for buttons most became ten times more valuable.
74 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:35:47
For what it is worth, I would not be happy to see Moyes back at the club.
75 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:37:32
He signed some shite too. So, no, I certainly would not want Moyes in charge of transfers. I would even say that most of the big money signings were not his best. His best was when he signed players for peanuts.
He also did a great interview on the coaches' voice (or something) on YouTube where he said he had a great knowledge of the Championship when he came to Everton and so knew all about the likes of Cahill. He's not like that now.
76 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:41:48
all those players you listed, what do you reckon the loss was on them in total?
and just before he left, he gave us John Stones for £3m. so I've no reason to think he's just forgot how to spot a player
77 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:42:12
78 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:44:06
I think there has been some good stuff this season, and a lot of bad stuff - some of the bad stuff has been performance, and some has been bad luck - very bad luck with injuries (Gbamin, and Gomes freakish bad luck), even VAR has stuck the boot in.
However, it is always at the worst of times that our confidence is at our lowest - and it is at those times that holding steady, and working thru it is often the most pragmatic way of improving this confidence.
We are not yet half way thru the season, there is still plenty of time to restore that confidence - despite the liklihood of neither europe, silverware or I believe, relegation.
I still say we hold till the end of the season.
79 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:49:16
My thumb is going to dislocate later today while scrolling down on my phone.
80 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:54:23
I suppose it depends if Howe's wife would be happy to move North, otherwise it will have to be Moyes, who knows how to organise good players, and will put points on the board and that's all that matters for now. Silva has to go now or we'll keep losing in very embarrassing fashion.
81 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:58:06
82 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:07:51
83 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:09:33
84 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:13:49
Also, does anyone remember Moyes record versus the top clubs? If so why the rush to get him in for these games?
85 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:15:05
The silence from the Goodison corridors of power is deafening.
86 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:18:51
I got shot down by a couple of Brands fans as I questioned if there wasnt a running list of potential replacements, then this was a flaw. But saying that, Im thinking that as Silva hasnt gone yet, Brands actually has a list and is feeling out potential replacements who are already in a job and Silva will get the chop once he has secured on of them. I also would highly doubt David Moyes or Mark Hughes would be on any DoFs list of potential candidates for any team at the moment.
87 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:19:12
Fair point. The players seem to like him but there actions dont support their words. Just waiting on Colemans usual “we cant keep sacking coaches the players need to step up” meaningless sound bite
88 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:30:53
Spurs might have appointed Mourinho in 12 hours, but they took around 9 days to sack Pochettino. If there's one thing I want to see from the board this time around, it's that we do not simply sack Silva and then look for a replacement. We need someone lined up. And that takes time, unless it is someone like Moyes who will sign a blank contract because he is desperate for the job.
Anyone else heard Silva went to Portugual straight after the game. He will be back tomorrow for training. Apparently this is normal. Yet I've heard how he had meetings with players on a Sunday after the game in the past. It can't be normal to have two days off after a game. If he really is in Portugal then he's gone for sure.
89 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:30:58
Some Managers prefer not to have a d.o.f, we have had two different d.o.f so far, could that be our problem, alongside poor Manager recruitment.
90 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:40:02
players don't need to be sold for their value to improve on the market. Moyes signed Stones, whether he delegated it or not is entttled to get the credit for it.
91 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:50:14
I hope this is not the case and he is indeed pushing people like Haag, but it seems BK is still has the ear of Moshiri, which would explain their disgusting track record of appointments.
92 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:58:14
93 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:00:09
On the other hand, what else have we got?
I brought my sons to the game on Saturday. They asked was it the worst I'd ever seen. I said that as I'd had a season ticket throughout the 90s I'd seen plenty as bad.
What I can not understand is this thing called confidence. I looked at the Norwich side and thought man for man Everton are a better team. We made the young right back look like a world beater, but apart from that I saw nothing to make me think I'd be trying to buy their squad in January. So all I need from my manager is to tell the players: 'You are better than the man opposite. Go out and run harder, think quicker and justify your pay packets.'
If the players don't believe they are better than the man in front of them then either they or the manager shouldn't be there.
For the next month I suspect they will huff and puff and battle against teams they think they are not as good as. Sadly, a valiant defeat after a spirited performance gets the same points as a toothless capitulation against the league's bottom club.
If I knew what the answer was I'd be a football manager. I'm not. But having seen performances as weak minded as this before, I'm not sure that getting rid of the manager (and half the players) is a long term solution. Those who can remember seeing Everton booed off the pitch on New Year's Eve in 1983, and the headlines calling for Howard Kendall's sacking, might be surprised to recall also that exactly the same team walked out at Wembley 5 months later at the start of the most successful period in the club's history.
So its back to Corporal Jones.
94 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:02:34
95 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:02:45
96 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:06:26
97 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:09:36
On the day Moyes said his good bye to a huge crowd on his final game here,he was applauded like a hero, unbelievable, after stating he was going a few weeks before his eventual departure, he was still giving contracts to players, with the blessing of the chairman.
Moyes, the only manager in the premier league getting paid more than any of his players,( until Arteta got a rise to keep him here) and he believed that should be the case, a manager who didnt know where, how or when to play the best player we have had since the premier league started, Wayne Rooney, a player Bobby Robson and Alan Shearer, watching him in the stands versus Bolton, were drooling over, as they called him “ this exceptional talent “ dour Dave said “ he never scored did he”. Ive never moaned over his going to Man. United, too delighted to see the back of him.
So Kevin you want him back, and I dont, Ibet you are as good an Evertonian as me or better, one of us is going to be disappointed at the outcome, Ihope its you Kev, Iknow youll understand. Best wishes.
98 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:15:00
99 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:19:57
i was just as gutted at the manner of his leaving as anybody. Talking about how he was wearing the wrong trousers for his audience with SAF appalled me. But that was then. i've had time to reflect on his many good points since then. He is an honourable geeaer in these shark infested waters. Alot of people cite Sunderland, which agreed was a disaster. Not many people would have allowed his four year contract to be voluntarily terminated like he did. He's also a good manager, who will work day and night to make sure we don't drop out of the division, and will demand the same of his players. Look, if we were in a good position, I'd agree with everyone that we've moved on. And we have moved on, just backwards sadly rather than forwards, to the extent that Moyes skills I think are now exactly what we need.
100 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:30:58
101 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:39:44
What really, really pissed me off is that I said before the game that Norwich were no pushovers. I identified their two fullbacks, though the left back Jamal Lewis was missing, and explained how they were energiser bunnies and would be up and down all game long. I said how that left winger was lightning fast and looked very good in the last match. I said about cantwell too. I expected Steipermann to play but called him a Championship Gylfi. He didn't play and they looked better for it. But if I could see that, then why couldn't Silva. It was obvious that they had enough to hurt us. I thought we needed play a bit more counter-attacking, which silva prefers, and have pace. Instead he picked Tosun and Sigurdsson. If we had the pace of Calvert-Lewin and Iwobi instead, and kept the rest of the team the same, but tried to play more counter-attacking, it would have been a different game. I don't buy into this "let them worry about us" mentality, and I would have thought Silva was better than that too. Norwich have serious flaws and you just need to hit them fast on the break and you can beat them easily. I was so pissed off.
102 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:58:24
It's all been very depressing for Blues fans for a very long time. Arsene and Arteta may stop the football world at large laughing their manky heads off at our antics and give the club back the respect that has overall been lost for this once great club.
Of course Wenger may go sacre bleu at the notion of it but he does seem to want another job in football. But at the elite level of Bayern Munich it seems. But if it's a real challenge he wants then this is the place for him.
103 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:21:57
If Moshiri does go for Moyes I'd like him to be paired with Marshy.
Has a bit of a ring to it.
We may get relegated but it would be great fun.
104 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:29:26
Dave #99, heard what happened, glad you're OK and feeling better, my friend.
105 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:37:07
I know there's always paper talk and speculation at times like this but I get the feeling that his return is looking more and more likely all be it on a temporary basis. I hope this doesn't happen and get the impression the vast majority of fans feel the same.
If it does we need to make our feelings on this plain to the idiots running out club.
106 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:40:30
Wenger has taken a job with FIFA, I think.
And why would Arteta leave the current Champions and the richest club in Britain to come to our car crash of a club to continue as an understudy?
107 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:47:44
And according to one article I read, part of his portfolio will be making VAR work better. Especially in the PL.
If there's a tougher job than managing Everton, he's found it.
108 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:52:39
You couldnt make it up!
109 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:55:32
110 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:02:18
111 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:02:43
112 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:51:09
"As for Arteta, he'd be the complete opposite. He'd go: Pickford, Walcott, Holgate, Bobby Moore, Digne, Siggi, Richarlison, Bernard on crutches, Iwobi, Walcott again, Darcey Bussell"
Pickford, Walcott, Holgate, Bobby Moore, Digne, Siggi, Richarlison, Bernard on crutches, Iwobi, Walcott again, Darcey Bussell"
Chris @68 the most rational post in this thread by a country mile. Excellent, level-headed analysis. It isn't surprising that no one acknowledged it.
113 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:37:43
114 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:37:57
We are in an extremely precarious position, Moyes has a very good track record at the club in the transfer market with the paucity of financial resources at his disposal. I firmly believe he has the ability to ensure that the current crop of very mediocre players [ and for the most part that's what Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva have brought to the club] would punch well above their weight and stave off the increasing likelihood of relegation, which is the thing that worries me most of all.
Yes he made a terrible mistake going to United and the manner of his departure could have been more honourable but his tenure there, although much shorter, was in reality not significantly worse than Van Gaal or Mourinho.
I don't think Moyes would be prepared to work under a Director of Football, but I don't believe Brands has made much of a positive contribution in his 17 months at the club.
We are where we are and retention of premiership status is absolutely crucial. Even if it is only on a short term basis I see Moyes as the the best candidate to take over from the present incumbent
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