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Marcelino the latest to be linked with Everton

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Marcelino Toral is reportedly under consideration by Everton and Arsenal as the two clubs search for potential new managers.

The Gunners moved to dismiss Unai Emery last week and put Freddie Ljungberg in charge, possibly until the end of the season, while the Toffees are thought to be holding off on sacking Marco Silva until a viable replacement can be found.

Marcelino was apparently sounded out by Arsenal before they hired Emery and now the Daily Mail's website is claiming that there has been contact between the respective clubs and the Spaniard's representatives.

However, according to a recent Goal.com report, Toral politely declined an offer from Everton to take over from Silva a month ago.

The 54-year-old steered Villarreal back to La Liga in 2013 and secured Valencia's return to the Champions League in his first season at La Mestalla while also winning the the Copa del Rey final over Barcelona and taking Los Ches into the semi-finals of the Europa League last season. He left Valencia in September, however, following a disagreement with Valencia owner Peter Lim.

Original Source: MailSport  


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Mark Guglielmo
1 Posted 03/12/2019 at 05:32:41
For once I really want to believe the Daily Mail.
Alan J Thompson
2 Posted 03/12/2019 at 05:53:24
We can forget anyone recently dismissed from the Prem as they won't want to lose their payouts, Mr Moshiri probably doesn't fancy paying anymore poaching fees and the rest probably want Christmas at home with the family. Oh, hell,please no,that sounds like an opening/excuse for Benitez!
John Richards
3 Posted 03/12/2019 at 07:33:27
Benitez all day for me.
Jer Kiernan
4 Posted 03/12/2019 at 08:58:35
Whats he done in the Premier league ?
Trevor Peers
5 Posted 03/12/2019 at 09:02:05
If Marcelino has already turned us down last month surely this is a non- story. He'd probably want a fortune in wages and his heart wouldn't be in it anyway. No thanks, no more mercenaries.
Iain Latchford
6 Posted 03/12/2019 at 11:45:01
Jer, managing in England is a not a prerequisite. Lots of managers have done well after not previously managing here :

Mourinho
Klopp
Pep
Wenger
Conte
Mancini
Benitez

Currently Santo is doing a very good job at Wolves.

Andrew James
7 Posted 03/12/2019 at 11:55:08
Would welcome thoughts on what he's like in terms of tactics and set up.

His CV suggests he's a journeyman although the Copa Del Rey win and promotion in the last decade show there must be something there.

At the moment though, we must only bring in a coach who can work with what we have. There's a case to say that Silva is deploying players in his system that simply don't suit it.

Would be interested to know what people think or know about this guy and whether he has a philosophy (stubborn) or would think outside the box etc

Brian Cleveland
8 Posted 03/12/2019 at 12:26:11
Apparently he's won promotion two or three times, perhaps we're planning for next season...

:-(

Andy Wilkinson
9 Posted 03/12/2019 at 13:39:50
Apparently Arsenal are now after him – so not sure we'll get a much of a look-in.
Derek Knox
10 Posted 03/12/2019 at 13:43:54
Can't honestly say I know much about this guy, apart from what I've read on Wiki, but I do trust Brands to get the next Managerial appointment correct.

Let's face it, since Martinez got the boot and handsomely compensated, the following appointments have all been a mixture of major and minor disasters, and the amount of money that has been blown is a travesty.

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 03/12/2019 at 13:48:20
Everton have been linked with Marcelino since Silva was first reported to be in trouble. Nothing new here.

Marcelino is a very good manager. He should fit the Brands mould to work with him, work with Silva type players, and be a fresh voice, with similar ideas.

The problem is, like with Eddie Howe, Marcelino will have a winless streak of 7 or more games, and when that happens, and the pressure ratchets up, are we just going to sack him? Marcelino has a history of doing well and getting sacked by twitchy chairmen who don't stand by their man. He's never really done badly though.

Something that may interest you guys is his views on weight and fitness: Link

Christopher Timmins
12 Posted 03/12/2019 at 14:06:41
Steve, he ticks a lot of boxes and Brands should do what it takes to get him across the line.

I gather he is not very popular with the other managers in Spain but his record is good enough for me. He was sacked after very early in the season, which has to mean there was a personal issue with the owner.

Steve Ferns
13 Posted 03/12/2019 at 14:11:50
Christopher the bizarre story I read was that he was sacked for "winning the Cup"! No, I can't get my head around that one either. Link

What's the point in appointing Marcelino though? Even if he will come, because we will be exactly where we are right now in 2 years time, looking to sack Marcelino because the same players have let us down for the same reasons. If he comes in, he still has a lack of centre-back and a lack of striker and no decent fit midfielders.

Tony Abrahams
14 Posted 03/12/2019 at 14:35:51
Very good point Steve, but he sounds like an interesting manager, a tough taskmaster, who likes his players to show some leadership, so maybe all will not be lost because this is definitely what is lacking, and has been lacking at Everton, for a very long time, and as much as managers pick the team, that team will get nowhere without his players showing some Leadership?
Steve Ferns
15 Posted 03/12/2019 at 14:38:04
Tony, the fact that we keep changing manager and yet the football is the same, the results are the same, and nothing changes surely tells you that there is more to this than the manager.
Andrew James
16 Posted 03/12/2019 at 14:42:30
Steve

Thanks for that. I see you have noted the squad we have won't suit Marcelino and I agree. If he prefers 4-4-2 then we'd need to resolve the striker situation which we haven't for 2 years plus.

If I was Marcelino and could choose between Arsenal and ourselves based on the personnel, I'd look at Lacazette and Aubameyang and think half the job is done for a 4-4-2. Although he might need to do surgery at the back for them as much as us.

Steve Ferns
17 Posted 03/12/2019 at 14:48:40
Andrew, of all the managers linked, I think he is the best fit for the players we have. I didn't watch Valencia games that closely, but I don't recall seeing an English 442. Very few teams play that.

I think his 442 is very close to Silva's Everton 4231. He simply has Gylfi Sigurdsson pushed up top, in the way Silva does when he presses high up the pitch. So, the players are surely there. He just needs to get the players Silva needs, Striker, centre-back and decent central midfielder.

Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:00:52
more good points Steve, you know my feelings on the chairman, you know I find it astonishing that when all these managers get the sack, Duncan Ferguson, remains a first team coach, but Silva, has just not been pragmatic enough imo Steve, whereas the fella in the link does seem like he might be.

All speculation, I’d love nothing more than Marco Silva to turn it around, but I’m not holding my breath because like the managers who have had the sack before him, the one thing they all have in common has been a lack of leadership right throughout their squads.

Whilst nothing ever changes, is it ever likely to, if this very important part of any team (Leadership) is nowhere to be seen, when it really is needed the most?

Raymond Fox
19 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:04:38
Steve # 15, I agree even if Silva was the perfect manager its the players who ultimately have to produce the performance.
In the end its a collective endeavour, the manager is usually the one who carries the can though.
John P McFarlane
20 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:11:17
Steve #15 You are right in saying that there is far more to our current plight than the manager, to my mind the players and their agents are far too powerful and agents in particular have far too much sway in the behaviour of their 'clients'. Everton got the financial investment about 18 months too late, as almost as soon as Moshiri arrived the 'value' of players soared as did the wages of some very average performers. Even taking those factors into account, the management of the whole club has been a complete shambles on and off the pitch since Moshiri arrived at the club.

The Guardian January 12th 2019 reported on the AGM as follows:

Marco Silva knows he may have little time to get it right at Everton
Farhad Moshiri, the majority shareholder, has warned his manager he is not happy and has also said he will not bankroll investment in the team in the way he has before


Everton have not won a Premier League home game since Cardiff City were edged 1-0 on 24 November. They have drifted to 11th on the back of an alarming sequence of five defeats and one win in eight league games. Michael Bostwick’s consolation for Lincoln City in the FA Cup ensured Everton have not kept a clean sheet in nine fixtures.


Silva’s design for an expansive, attacking Everton is fundamentally flawed in the absence of a quality striker. That hole has existed since Romelu Lukaku was sold 18 months ago and Moshiri made it clear that, although prepared to fund the equity gap on a new stadium, he will not personally bankroll investment in the team to the same extent as previously.

“We sold Romelu for £75m and he was on £70,000 a week, in that region,” he explained. “[To replace him] you would have to pay £120m and pay £250,000 a week, so that is the challenge. It is why football experts of Marcel’s calibre are needed. Infrastructure is important and to comply with financial fair play you need to go for younger players on low wages. You might have to pay big fees but you’ve got to keep the wages down and that is the challenge. I think we’ve learned. We’ve had bad luck, we’ve had poor judgment but I feel the business we did in the summer shows that we are going in the right direction, but it’s been difficult.”

Almost 12 months on and there has been no solutions found by the board or the manager to the issues that the club/team has been saddled with for over two years - I don't expect any manager of substance to arrive at Goodison any time soon, save a chancer or a dinasaur. Mis-managed on and off the pitch is my assessment but at least my season ticket costs will remain frozen (announced by the club earlier today) but the quality of football on view will likely remain frozen too.

Steve Ferns
21 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:14:43
Tony, I believe Marcelino has less credentials and less to get excited about that Silva. Unlike Silva he has a lot of failures on his CV, 9 jobs and 6 sackings. If Silva has to go, then we could do a lot worse than Marcelino, I just wouldn't hold my breath that we will not be back in this exact position in the near future.

The key thing to breaking that cycle is Brands and his recruitment. And it's more about who he gets rid of. Until Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin have gone, then not much is going to change.

Think of who the big characters are in the Everton dressing room, it's all the Walsh signed players who we can't get rid of on big money. They're not the ones who will see any glorious resurgence of Everton (God willing). They won't play a part in that. They're just here to collect their cheques and happy to see off manager after manager.

Okay he keeps picking Sigurdsson, and I don't know why that is. but it's not like Iwobi has taken his chances. He's played well against West Ham and the rest of the time it's flashes. Sigurdsson usually scores goals and Iwobi doesn't and maybe that's why. But we need Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Tosun, and Walcott gone. There's at least £300,000 per week there, over £350,000 if you believe reported figures.

These are meant to be our best players, our senior players, and they're the ones that let us down the most. Yet most of them get off scott free.

Derek Knox
22 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:15:56

Steve F @ 11, maybe we should get Dolly Parton instead of Ms Dynamite, she always 'Stood by her man' then again, shortly after she had a record with D-I-V-O-R-C-E!


Steve Ferns
23 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:18:39
Good to hear from you John. The AGM is very close now. It'll be interesting to see what Moshiri says. I expect he will say that the board will take some of the blame off Silva for failing him by not getting the replacement for Zouma or the striker he asked for. As well as other players he requested in the press conferences (centre midfielder and a left footed right winger).

If the board fail the manager, and the manager has zero input on recruitment, then they have to take the blame as well.

Andrew James
24 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:19:51
And there was me getting excited about a 4-4-2 in the old school way.
Steve Ferns
25 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:20:26
Didn't Ms Dynamite win the mercury music prize Derek?
John P McFarlane
26 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:25:28
Steve # I think you might be confusing my identity with that of John Snr, but yes it will be interesting to hear what is said at the next AGM.
Steve Ferns
27 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:29:46
Sorry John, quite right. But nethertheless, it's good to hear from you as well!
Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:31:44
John (26), are you John Macs son? If you are how is your dad doing? I hope he is okay, we haven’t heard, on ToffeeWeb, from him for a few weeks.Give him my regards and best wishes.
Tony Everan
29 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:38:50
Marcelino sounds like an interesting option, but with managers coming in from overseas, with no prem experience, to a team in poor form in mid winter is very risky business.

Someone who has been there and done it is needed or we are in the gravest of danger.

Pochettino, would be a statement and a half, but he will be looking at Man U, but Mr B should covertly sound him out anyway.

Benitez knows what he is doing, has the experience and I think would represent the lowest risk. If he gets us playing and winning he will win the fans over. He would probably take a cut in pay to above par with his Newcastle wages?

John P McFarlane
30 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:41:38
Dave #28 Thanks for asking about John Snr. as he is my Uncle. I'm sorry that I can't furnish you with a definitive reason as to why he hasn't appeared on TW in recent weeks - but I'm sure if it was anything serious to do with his health I would be aware of it. I'll certainly pass on your kind regards and best wishes to him when the opportunity arises.
Don Alexander
31 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:41:42
To me the most informative part of Steve's link (#11) is that the guy was allowed to immediately get rid of all but seven of the squad he inherited. There's more chance of Kenwright coming down our chimneys with a free season ticket than Moshiri being able to afford that now.
Tony Hill
32 Posted 03/12/2019 at 15:54:09
Steve @23 that's what's being reported in a couple of places. Quite right too.
Dave Abrahams
33 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:11:43
John P (30) thanks for that John.
Steve Ferns
34 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:13:38
The Telegraph for one Tony.

John, thanks for the update on your uncle. Hope to see him both on the forum and in person soon.

Jer Kiernan
35 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:15:17
@Iain 6
Everyone of those managers you list went into well organized clubs, were give extremely big budgets to work with the best players possible

Apples and Oranges my friend, he has been sacked 6 times I believe Steve has informed up above, when will our obsession with foreign coaches ( inio's, ario's inihio's etc ) ever end,

These guys are all picking up titles /trophies in TWO TEAM leagues, is ridiculous
We should get Eddie Howe before somebody else does

John G Davies
36 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:31:06
Jer @4,

What has Eddie Howe done in the Premier League?

Salim Rehman
37 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:33:19
Eddie Howe?? NO THANKS. What has he done at Bournemouth that merits him to become Everton manager? they're always a mid table team exit out of the cups in early rounds leak goals. I would go for Rafa, Poch or Biesla.
Jimmy Hogan
38 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:38:23
A new manager should preferably be someone who hasn't led a club to relegation (Martinez and Silva), isn't an arrogant prick with an inflated sense of his own worth (Koeman) and isn't a dinosaur, playing 1950s football (Allardyce). I want someone with real charisma, in front of the TV cameras as well as on the training ground (Klopp) and I want a captain who inspires and who has no time for faint heartedness (Roy Keane). Only then will we have a winning mentality. I think overall, the players either have to fear the manager (Fergie), or love him (Pep). Love is harder. The manager has to be extremely good (Kendall).
Jer Kiernan
39 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:52:46
@Salim
I think the point is that he has acheieved above and beyond anybodys expectation for a club like Bmouth who where about to disappear (ala Bury) when he was appointed at about 30 yrs of age, To compare Bmout to even ourselves you are missing the point

They ( bmouth ) are in wonderland not only getting to PL but staying there, If this was the business world he would have been snapped up by now (and he will be )

Poch = Yes if possible /Biesla =Maybe for me, ,,but Rafa ? please can we not embarrass ourselves anymore than we already do in front of the neighbours by appointing their cast offs, on top of his recent record which is poor (to put it kindly)

@Iain 39

Cant argue with anything you say on 1st half of your post but unfortunately that horse has bolted ,we splurged our 500mill and aint going to be spending like that for a while with new stadia etc etc, Unlike some on here i am trying to taking everything into account when suggesting Eddie

As regards who will take a punt on the Howster ? I believe Solkskaer is 3 games from the sack is not a manager ,as is Pelligrini, and I would bet my bottom dollar Freddie Ljunberd does not have what it takes to be a manager , I would suggest if you reverse it Eddie is better qualified than all 3 and you can throw in general Franko at Chelsea who like Eddie was a leader of men from an early age and i believe will succeed also, New generation of managers coming through - No more dinasuours please ,

But their are 4 clubs ourselves included who have managers who I deem less worthy than Eddie of their jobs, So we need to lose our snobbery(if thats what it is ?) as we are in for a shock if we wait too long i believe

Are we ONCE AGAIN to be left behind as a club by making REgressive decisions

Iain Latchford
40 Posted 03/12/2019 at 16:53:01
Jer, I didn't say Marcelino is the answer. I was making the point that we shouldn't rule out managers because they haven't managed in the Premier League before.

Not sure if you've noticed, but we've had a pretty big budget too. We've spent nearly £500m in 4 years. Maybe if we'd gone for managers of similar calibre the ones I mentioned we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Appointing mediocre managers like Howe hasn't really worked.

Who do think is likely to snap him up?

Steve Ferns
41 Posted 03/12/2019 at 17:01:19
Jer, are you not concerned that Eddie Howe would come here and follow the pattern? Good 12 months (or better) then hit a bump in the road and before he gets a chance to sort it out, he's sacked. I won't argue Eddie is a shite manager. He's a very good manager, and he's been under consideration for some decent jobs (Spurs and Arsenal for two) as a result. I think there's a chance he comes here and does very, very well. I just worry that he continues his own patterns of going games without wins.

Silva had never had a bad spell in his career until he came to England. If you look at his Hull tenure, he had a bad spell at the end as relegation was confirmed and everyone gave up. Then Watford when we came knocking. But there was no pattern there to suggest he could go on a really bad run like this. The question being can he handle it. Howe has at least shown he can. But that's with much less pressure on him at Bournemouth. If Howe suddenly finds himself in Silva's shoes on one of these runs, and he's the author of it, can he turn it around?

I think the only manager, and probably the last one I'd pick of all the ones I would want, who could get through this is Benitez. He's probably 5th or 6th choice for me, but when I consider the question I posed I think he may be the only option, as the other more exciting managers, maybe even with more potential, are just as likely to have Everton back here again in a year or two.

Jer Kiernan
42 Posted 03/12/2019 at 17:07:56
@Steve
That is a risk with all managers, I believe Eddie will cope with the pressure he is a seemingly a work-aholic, being at b/mouths ground at 6am every morning and instills this in his players

Silva has 2 appalling runs in his tenure, last year ( post Derby) and all this season and if I remember right Rafa (on top of getting the Toons relegated) won none of the 1s 9 games in a season,

Now imagine if our already long suffering fans had to swallow Rafa then go 9 games with no win and throw in a Derby defeat ??? It doesnt bare thinking about for me

I will take anybody over Rafa to be honest , As above post in reply to Iain I feel the world of football is changing and the last thing we need is a money grabbing dinasuour

Eddie will relish the job and do everything in his power to succeed, I have been watching some vids of interviews with him this week and he is a winner for me

As for conceeding goals, How much did his back four cost even compared to ours ?

Also to note I think our board has been anything BUT knee jerk in its treatment of Silva , if Eddie has same record in 18months i will be calling for his head

@Raymond 42

I will be first to admit I am not great at maths stats etc so correct me if I am wrong ,,but if Eddies spent 180mil and recouped 5mil his Net spend would be 175mil ? If Everton spend 500mill and recoup 275mil there Net spend is 225 mil ?

If I am right and I think I am over 5 years these stats dont tell the full story, Compare the squads and look at the value of players Eddies has had to work with ,what is BMouth record signing ? how many over 30million ?none I would suggest on top of not being able to attract Top names to b/mouth

Raymond Fox
43 Posted 03/12/2019 at 17:12:55
Jer, the net spend at Bournemouth in the last 5 years is £175m against our £225m so Howe has not done it on peanuts.
He's too alike our previous managers for me, I think we would be back to square one in no time.
Mark Guglielmo
44 Posted 03/12/2019 at 17:36:34
Steve @21 "I believe Marcelino has less credentials and less to get excited about that Silva. Unlike Silva he has a lot of failures on his CV, 9 jobs and 6 sackings."

C'mon, really? Are you really comparing someone who's managed since 1997 to someone who's managed since 2011? Give Marco time, he'll catch Marcelino in no time.

As far as less credentials...hmmm...promotions, Cups, taking teams from mid-table to Champions League, I'm thinking the sentence should have read "Silva has less credentials and less to get excited about than Marcelino."

Keith Ronson
45 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:09:22
I hope we have gone back to the Catterick mode of operation. Nobody knows a thing until the rabbit is pulled from the hat! Usually a pretty good rabbit.

However, I must admit we are not quite the glamour club that the term 'Merseyside Millionaires' used to contour up.

Steve Ferns
46 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:19:12
I’d be interested to see Mike Gaynes’ take. He was an early advocate of Marcelino. Interesting to see arsenal are now positioning him as a serious contender for their position.
Derek Knox
47 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:33:18
Referring back to my post @10, I have been doing a bit more research, and it seems that Marcel Brands is more in favour of Gallardo, (River Plate Manager) I am hoping that either Jay Wood or Fran Mitchell can give us their 'Brazilian grass roots view of who would be the best fit?

It has also been reported that several Everton spies have been to Brazil several times, but it is not absolutely clear who they were running the rule over. Again Messrs Wood and Mitchell may have some low-down on this.

Steve Ferns
48 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:37:58
DK, where did you glisten this research from? Do you have a hotline to the man himself?

As regards the intelligible Brazilian based blues, both have confessed to not watching the Argentinian League. We don't watch Welsh, Irish or Scottish football do we?

If you want a glowing report, then I suggest you request such from Sam Hoare. He's the one who loves Gallardo. I will point in the direction of a funny video on twitter where Gallardo tells the substitute (in Spanish) to run on and do exactly what he does do and it results in a goal (if the lipreaders can be trusted!).

Derek Knox
49 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:51:31
Whoa Steve, I watch quite a bit of Scottish Football when it is on, especially if it's Dundee United my (home) Scottish team.

I think it was on one of the many posts on here where, someone stated which Board Members preferred who to be the next Manager, where I picked up on Brands' preference being Gallardo, can't remember which poster it was, but it is there somewhere.

All else has been on Internet/Wiki, Google, the usual sources.

Anthony Murphy
50 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:56:43
Gallardo now odds on favourite with most bookies. Probably just the bookies manipulating the market...good to see Moyes knocked off the top nevertheless
Iain Latchford
51 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:57:07
Jer, There is not a hope in hell that Man Utd or Arsenal will consider Howe for the job. I'm not even sure West Ham would.

Interesting you rate Lampard and think he'll do well, but have completely dismissed Arteta on other threads. Lampard had one season in the Championship before getting the Chelsea job. Arteta has worked under Pep for the last 3 seasons and is considered to be a fine coach who will make a good manager. Please explain?

Steve Ferns
52 Posted 03/12/2019 at 18:59:05
Derek, apologies then. I thought no even the English based Scots bothered with SPL anymore unless they were old Firm supporters.

If you google Gallardo, then you'll see lots of links to Barcelona going back over the last 2 months. The guy might be on Brands' radar but we are not on his.

Edit: No sooner did I type this than I see the above, and see he's come from nowhere on the odds checker. Maybe some truth to it afterall. Now I have only ever seen one game he managed, and he lost, but his team played good stuff and attacked against the odds. If he's good enough for Barca, then he's good enough for us! Sign him up.

Here's a video on him from Tifo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU41pCbpy04

Mike Doyle
53 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:11:33
For what it’s worth I see most bookies have Gallardo as close to even money favourite tonight - with Moysie out to 3rd favourite behind Eddie How.
Marcelino is further out in the betting.

(I’ll put my tin hat on as protection from a raft of posters - who know more about the betting industry than me - who will point out that this is complete bollocks and should be ignored)

Paul Tran
54 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:24:48
Mike, not even 2 weeks since the rumour mill hammered Unsworth's price from 16/1 into 7/2, only to go out again. They often hastily react to rumours and often fuel them themselves.

Whoever we get will be a punt, no matter what anyone says on here. Everyone we get will be a punt, until we get the right one.

Christy Ring
55 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:25:25
Steve @23 So you’re saying Silva is blameless, it’s the boards fault, for the failure in the summer transfer window. He wanted Zouma, Lampard said he wasn’t for sale, even though we kept pursuing him for the whole summer, until the day before the deadline, then thought he’d get Tomori, on loan, but Luiz scuppered that, before a deal was done, he let Jagielka go, allowed Gueye to go, still 3 years on his contract, bought a young striker, instead of an established striker. Do you not think himself and Brands have to share the blame?
Steve Ferns
56 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:27:38
"Taking some of the blame off Silva" = blameless?

Also, all that you said is the sole responsibility of Brands. Silva's job is to coach the team.

Mark Guglielmo
57 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:33:33
Derek @45 I posted about Brands & Gallardo in a different thread but I don't know where because I can't tell any of them apart anymore. So I'll just say it was the one where people were bitching about Silva.

Anyway, to summarize, a friend of mine knows someone in the Everton front office (basically a good contact with inside knowledge) who shares things with him from time-to-time, more of which that has panned out than not.

He told my friend this morning that Brands choice is Gallardo.

Steve @46 also said it was bollocks lol

David Pearl
58 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:39:10
Steve,
You are certain he will lose 7 in a row? You’re saying he isn’t any better than Howe... or Silva! Or are you saying this squad is shit and nobody could make they play consistently? We are so lucky to have Silva in charge, the mans a genius.
Steve Ferns
59 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:40:32
Mark, I'm not doubting the Brands like Gallardo. My issue with what you said is that there's four people with four views at some kind of stalemate. It's a decision for one man, and one man alone, under advisement from a highly paid Director of Football, whose judgement has to be trusted. What I found to be bollocks, particularly, was that Barrett-Baxendale would be taking on the others in the boardroom to fight for Eddie Howe.
Jer Kiernan
60 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:41:06
@Iain 49
I didnt dismiss Arteta but have stated I am not convinced is an easy step from 2nd to head coach, has rarely worked and often failed, Lampard did a good at Derby and I feel Arteta needs to cut his teeth in a similar sized club

But to be honest I have always thought that fat Frank has leadership qualities and would make a good manager, he will do very well at Chelsea whether is enough to stay in a job long term with Roman about I am not sure

Man Utd have not only appointed a manager with no credentials they are letting him spend a fortune, they are already lowering their standards to facilitate him, So again why they would not appoint Eddie ( can only be snobbery)

Mark Guglielmo
61 Posted 03/12/2019 at 19:41:55
Btw, the YouTube link Steve posted is perfect. Here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU41pCbpy04

He's allegedly Messi's choice to replace Valverde.

Steve @57, and I quote "Why on earth would Brands favour Gallardo. This is ridiculous. Your mate knows what he professes to." lol

Christy Ring
62 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:16:30
That's me finished on ToffeeWeb guys, I'm totally wrong about Silva, he's doing a great job NSNO
Derek Knox
63 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:53:22
Mark @ 59, Ms Dynamite said she wants the one with the nice bum and the nice suit and hair but doesn't know his name. 💕👓🤦‍♀️
Derek Knox
64 Posted 03/12/2019 at 20:55:14
Aw! Don't go Christy, you'll miss all the fun! :-)
Soren Moyer
65 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:02:25
Marcelino's recent sackings (Valencia and Villarreal) had nothing to do with their league results.
Valencia: https://en.as.com/en/2019/09/13/football/1568377512_483757.html

Villarreal: https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/marcelino-sacked-as-villareal-boss-after-reported-brawl-with-ac--444520

THAT's the type of manager we need right now imo.

Mark Guglielmo
66 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:04:27
That's at least the 3rd public "I'm outta here!" comments of the past week. Everyone knows the only way to do it with class is just ghost.

Derek, I think I've figured out how the bookies set their managerial odds. I can almost guarantee they have a web-crawler software that can scan 1000's of sites lightning quick, looking for manager name keywords. The more those keywords come up, the "better" the odds.

Or does anyone think that Gallardo becoming the top odds on manager today was for another reason? Or better yet, do you think these clubs or agents are feeding fckn gambling bookmakers with inside info? lol

I'm telling you, it's a data-driven program that feeds off conjecture and rumor, thus fueling it even further. Guess who laughs? The bookmakers! Guess who cries? Your wallet!

Mark Guglielmo
67 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:09:56
Soren I read those, and the first one literally makes no sense. They sacked him in September 2019...or, after the 18-19 campaign where they had already qualified for the 19-20 Champions League (where they're playing right now). Like, if he won both, then why sack him? Seems awfully petty for "not taking orders."

The second one, well... Calciomercato.it, so, yeah.

Derek Knox
68 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:12:58
Mark, they may have your computer bugged and are acting in response to your source information. Don't worry unduly though, you could always start a bizarre one off and see if it comes up in the betting odds! :-)
Soren Moyer
69 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:15:48
Mark, it was on marca.com too:

https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2016/09/02/57c887c2ca474162758b469a.html

Imo, he is a very talented manager and he was my favourite for Everton job before they went for Silva.

Mark Guglielmo
70 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:23:35
Derek, if you can read between the lines, you do NOT want anything found on my computer associated with Everton's next manager 8^)

Soren, I know, I was taking the piss a bit. I rate Marcelino too and we could do a whole lot worse (like, every single other manager linked).

Iain Latchford
71 Posted 03/12/2019 at 21:28:49
Meanwhile, Bournemouth's hot streak continues with them losing to Palace, who had ten men for about 70 minutes. What a team.
Dave McDowell
72 Posted 03/12/2019 at 22:38:05
The rumours persist that Carlo Ancelotti is imminently leaving Napoli. Prem experience, big personality, will attract quality players, can set up a defence, tactically astute, multiple trophy winner, instant player respect.

He also has Liverpool figured out. I posted last week we should have tapped him up while he was in town.

For me he's head and shoulders above all mentioned candidates.

Kristian Boyce
73 Posted 03/12/2019 at 22:47:16
The Gallardo rumours are spouting from a website reporting that he's a guest for the derby tomorrow. From that, someone updated his Wiki page to him being our new manager.
Mike Gaynes
74 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:00:00
Nobody who watched Bournemouth today against Palace would want Eddie Howe anywhere near us. One thing his club has always turned out is a committed, organized performance, but today they were blundering sleepwalkers and lost to 10-man Palace despite being a man up for 70 minutes. Palace even had more shots. Credit to Howe for taking full responsibility, but that was ugly.

More to the point, one thing we want from a new manager is a tightened defense. Howe's Bournemouth has given up 265 goals in the past four seasons. That is far and away the worst of any club that spent all four seasons in the Premier League (2nd worst is Watford at 241). The only clubs with more hapless defenses got relegated.

Howe also said today he's staying at Bournemouth, not considering our opening or Arsenal's. I think that's a very good idea.

Steve Ferns
75 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:01:00
Mike Gaynes, any thoughts on Marcelino. A favourite of yours no?

Jay Wood, you were asked your opinion on Gallardo.

Mike Gaynes
76 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:06:08
Steve, no particular thoughts -- I leave the managerial assessments to you and Sam Hoare!

I do know, however, that his teams always play tough and win big games... and his Valencia team's victory over Barca in the Copa del Rey earlier this year was a masterclass of preparation. I watch every Barca game and I hadn't seen them shut down like that in a long time.

I'd probably hire him off that alone.

Mark Guglielmo
77 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:06:38
Kristian @71, my mate, who has a good contact in/near Brands's office, told him today Gallardo is Brands's top target.

Can't speak to any other rumours, but this one is at least credible to a degree as it's come from inside Everton's walled fortress of secrecy.

Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:11:43
Mark #65, I've always found Calciomercato pretty reliable.
Gordon Crawford
79 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:21:26
If we don't go for Pochettino, then we do lack ambition, it's as simple as that. Even if we don't get him, we need to try.
Jer Kiernan
80 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:34:57
Mike Gaynes @72,

I watched the game and have to agree with most of your points, it was an awful performance by Bournemouth, lacking fight, invention, creativity etc. It was plain bad and horrible to watch, reminded me of some of our performances this season.

I also noted as you do, that Eddie took full responsibility for it. I cannot recall Silva being as clear about some of the embarrassing performances (especially at home) which were clearly his fault.

I would suggest, if we do give Eddie Howe a chance, it will be on the basis of what he has achieved over the last 7 or 8 years and not the last 2 months – to do so would be idiocy, Unless we want another flavour of the month? I certainly don't...

But seems odd how you appear to discount Eddie for 90 mins of football (tonight) while handing the job to Marcelino for 90 mins of football (Barca copa)? Note, the Spanish don't put much weight on their cups, as far as I am aware

I don't think the achievements at Bournemouth can be underestimated by people who know what they are talking about. Maybe the fact that he has been visible in the Premier League on a shoestring, despite conceding many goals.

It looks like the club are being swayed towards another foreign coach when the answer is right under the noses! It's more the pity.

Mark @79

Re foreign coaches, it may well be the case but Fergie was homegrown and I feel there is a resurgence with home nation coaches: Rogers, Lampard, Wilder, and Our Eddie... Again, I am not expecting Eddie to deliver the Champions League but to make us competitive in the top 4/6 in the Premier League and steady the ship so we move into Bramley-Moore Dock in good shape.

Mark Guglielmo
81 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:35:37
Mike @76 how? They're nothing but a click-bait site that pays it's sources to say whatever they want the story's agenda to communicate. You ever notice that nearly all the football "stories" involve someone coming to/going from one of the Milan-based clubs? They're about as reliable as footballwitness. The sad reality of the global football media is that they all do this, because of the whole transfer/loan/agent structure, and the overall shadowy nature on how this business operates. There are some, like Paul Joyce for the Echo, who are top-level, but for every 1 of him, there are 10 more like the Daily Mail.

Gordon @77 maybe they have and you just don't know it

Jer @78 swayed or not, when was the last time a British manager won anything home or abroad? Serious question, because I don't know. All I do know is that all the winning clubs, the perennially competitive clubs, have foreign managers.

Stephen Davies
82 Posted 03/12/2019 at 23:58:24
#Mike. Yes you do. Sir Alex Ferguson.

Mike Gaynes
83 Posted 03/12/2019 at 00:00:02
Jer #78, I don't discount Howe. He's an adequate game manager and usually an outstanding motivator. However, his club's 4-year defensive record cannot be denied, and it flunks the eye test as well. Even with a superb leader like Steve Cook at the back (I advocated for him over Keane two years ago), they give up too many bad goals on simple disorganization and lack of fundamentals. Just like us. We can do better.

However, you need to move on to another candidate now. Howe is always a clear-spoken, honest guy, and he said quite directly after today's game that he's going nowhere. For other managers, that might be a negotiating ploy. With Howe, it means end of subject. Done.

Mike Gaynes
84 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:08:25
Mark #79, Calciomercato certainly has that image, and none of the "prestige" of Gazzetta or Corriere, but their batting average on rumors has been surprisingly high in recent years. They were first on Ronaldo to Juve, on Rom to Inter, and several others. By comparison, for example Tuttosport never seems to get anything right.
David Pearl
85 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:15:32
I really don’t like any manager being asked about another job, especially in a match day press conference. That should be outlawed. Rude.
Mark Guglielmo
86 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:23:46
Mike, my friend, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. They didn't break the Ronaldo story either (it came from Portugal, then from Real Madrid sources). No clue on Rom, but I'd bet they didn't there either.

There are a couple of really comprehensive "reliability" guides out there, with sources broken into tiers. Calciomercato is tier 4 (of 5) for "indirect sourcing / low reliability." Like I said, they pay for people to say things and report it as news. Unless you believe Juventus owes Moise Kean's father 2 tractors!!

Andy Crooks
87 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:30:57
There was a documentary on a while back about Bournemouth. One of their emp!oyees, I can't remember his role, had a sex change. He came back after the c!ose season as a woman.

Now, I doubt many on here can imagine the courage that took. I can't. The way that Eddie Howe dealt with that showed him to be a man of stature, integrity, decency and a leader. So, Jer, I get your view. I admire Eddie Howe more than any coach in football as a man.

If he became our coach, I would back him totally. I just do not believe he would get a chance. His whole ethic suits Bournemouth.

We need a cynical, hateful bastard. We need Steven Gerrard.

Jer Kiernan
88 Posted 04/12/2019 at 00:33:09
@Mike Gaynes,

I have read report on the post-match interview,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7753007/Eddie-Howe-accepts-responsibility-Cherries-slip-defeat-against-10-man-Crystal-Palace.html

I have never heard him so deflated; however, he says that the speculation is nonsense and didn't get in the way of what he is doing at Bournemouth. Is that what you are referencing or is there more to the interview?

I would suggest he is so hurting after that performance that he probably wanted to punch the reporter who asked him about the speculation but to me is not same as Roberto saying he would have to be kicked out of Swansea etc etc.

Anyways, for me, it is not a definitive no but sounds more dismissive than anything. It is the same your referencing the headline doesn't match the story but it is the Mail after all.

As David Pearl has said, it is bad form to push a manager with such a question at that time,

I live in hope.

@Andy Crooks,

I wasn't aware of that particular story but much of what I consider is character-based His roots, his work ethic, principles etc and the fact that he has worked himself up from literally 91st place in the league. He is the right choice for me in every respect.

I cannot see what he has achieved at Bournemouth as a negative at all. He has kept them in the Premier League for 4 seasons on a shoestring. If conceeding lots of goals was a byproduct of that, so be it. That story is another plus for me, though

David Pearl
89 Posted 04/12/2019 at 01:33:13
Jer,

I agree with how you describe Howe. However l don't think he's the right fit for stopping the rot. He'd be under a lot of pressure to turn this squad around very quickly and l don't think he is that man. If you asked me in the summer then maybe, with a full pre-season to implement his ideas.

Same with Arteta. Maybe not as much pressure but he'd also need a full pre-season. Long term l would go with Arteta over Howe.

So who could come in and do a job now? Only Moyes for me... not long term though. And that's the problem, as he'd not want a short term contract.

That leaves us with Silva and the reason he's probably still here. All the other names are just paper talk l recon.

Stephen Davies
90 Posted 04/12/2019 at 02:29:53
I think the Manager defines the Club. If you wish for Steady Eddie, so be it. We may be mid-table every season and a decent cup run. If you're happy with that so be it.

Leeds... Yes, Leeds got Bielsa. Considered a football genius by Pep Guardiola and many more. He was a disciple.bThere are other successful disciples. People of that calibre transform a club. The values of the manager spread through the fabric of the club.

This club needs transforming, the one who's right for this club will realise this and have the will and character to do this. We need someone with a little bit of speciality (if we want a quick fix, we want someone with a lot of specialities) but in reality, we need a leader, someone to love and grow.

A quick fix ain't gonna happen. At this moment, we need passion and belief. At the minimum, give us that and you will have our love and devotion, and the rest will follow with commitment and good fortune.

I bid you goodnight.

Steve Ferns
91 Posted 04/12/2019 at 09:53:37
He's one to whet your appetites: Diego Simeone is stumbling in the League and Champions League and so there's the inevitable Everton Link

Can't see it myself. But good to see the calibre of linked managers rising fast.

Steve Ferns
92 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:10:22
Mark @81

Forget British because of Alex Ferguson, when did the last ENGLISH manager win the Premier League. Answer: never. The irony is that the last time one won the top flight was the last Championship of the old Era. Howard Wilkinson's Leeds United won the old First Division in it's last ever season. The one before him? Howard Kendall with Everton in 1987.

The only English managers who have been winning leagues are Roy Hodgson (in Swtizerland), and the late great Bobby Robson (Portugal and Holland).

Young English managers to keep an eye on are Graham Potter of Brighton who is extremely interesting and the Cowley brothers at Huddersfield.

John Keating
93 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:10:34
Steve
I mentioned Simeone a day or two ago.
Simply due to the fact that his time there may have run it's course.
He's been there quite a while as player and manager and they seem to have lost their way a bit.
Thought it might be time for a new challenge
Anyway I was quickly told the reasons why he wouldn't consider us !
Steve Ferns
94 Posted 04/12/2019 at 10:16:45
John, I didn't like the way he used us to engineer a pay-rise in 2017. His wages are astronomical. Link Not sure I believe the figures, but the key point is he's one of (if not the) world's highest paid managers and to tempt him here we'd need to pay him more. I think those wages would prevent Arsenal getting him.

If I was to bet on Simeone's next club, if he left now, I would put my money on PSG. They can afford the wages, Tuchel is always an early exit from the sack, and it's going to be a more relaxing job than he's used to. You can sleepwalk through the league and you just need to focus on the CL.

Jer Kiernan
95 Posted 04/12/2019 at 11:45:37
I think the time to "aim high" was last appointment or pre Fat Sam. I did not think we were going to be relegated then; right now, I am more concerned

If we can get Simeone, I will be delighted; however, I am doubtful, especially with the number of vacant or soon to be vacant positions (Arsenal, Man Utd, West Ham) that we can attract such a name.

If we don't make a call soon, we will be left with few options, the damage may be done to an extent that we will (tail firmly between our legs) be calling Fat Sam to put a stop to all this football malarkey, start shooting the ball out of a cannon up to Calvert-Lewin, and start parking some buses.

I obviously hope for tonight we can perform a miracle but, even if Marco can turn the water into wine on this occasion, I still genuinely fear where we will be at Xmas.

A bad decision is better than no decision at this stage.

Mark Guglielmo
96 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:14:25
Simeone 🤣

Someone go wait for him at the airport.

James Hughes
97 Posted 04/12/2019 at 15:19:55
Mark. tell me the airport and I will cancel my day,
Mark Guglielmo
98 Posted 04/12/2019 at 16:05:40
The moment I find out, I'll ping you. You can probably continue to make plans for the foreseeable future without cause for concern.
Rudy Chinchilla
99 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:18:55
I know I'm late to the party with regards to this thread, but I've wanted Marcelino at Everton since his days at Villarreal. For those wondering about his style, the most simple way to put it is it's somewhat akin to Someone, which has made me opine for a while that he's the Spanish manager who would likely most easily adapt to the Prem.

Marcelino knows how to get the best from his attacking players, but, importantly, he also priorities defensive solidity and tracking back as a unit. That makes his teams hard to break down while offering the threat of quick and ruthless counters.

I think more than being a journeyman, his record suggests steady progress over the years and demonstrates that he's learned and adapted accordingly. For those weary of his taking over under this board, it's important to know that the Valencia board has also for years been shambolic under Peter Lim, yet Marcelino went in, steadied the ship, got them into the Champion Leave, and won a cup on the first time of asking. Would he be a gamble? Yes, as would anyone. Would he be a Messiah? I can't promise that. But I think he would be at the very least a steady hand, which we desperately need right now.

Paul Norman
100 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:49:21
I didn’t want Silva when we first appointed him, and have never been convinced, even during our decent run at the tail-end of last season, we were still showing some worrying traits.

In that time, I’ve been trying to convince myself that I don’t care about football or Everton anymore, why should I carry on ruining my (and my family’s) weekends for a bunch of over-paid, disinterested footballers who have no real love for my team and my city? But, who am I kidding, yes I do!

Even last night, I decided not to watch, not to follow any commentary, not to care what all of the reds in my family were saying. Needless to say, I was hooked to my phone for 90-odd minutes, dreaming of a miraculous turnaround!

Today, I’m waiting for the news that will shine the light out of the dark, I genuinely feel there’s some hope.

So (surely that news is coming!), onto the new manager, a couple of the names that are being mentioned on here, I don’t think are good enough options:
- Howe - I wouldn’t have him, he’s not a step up on Silva, I don’t see anything in his record that suggests he’ll do any better than Silva. Too much of a gamble.
- Benitez - not for me, in his time (Liverpool, Madrid) he was great, but I’m not convinced he can cut it anymore. Plus, the unreasonable, irrational blue in me can’t see past the obvious.

Realism aside - although with Moshiri’s backing, surely we should be aiming higher? - my long-list would look like this:
- Marcelino
- Emery
- Pochettino
- Simeone
- Arteta (riskiest of this list?)
- Wagner
- Kovac

For the record, and at the risk of undermining any point I may have had, I’d take Moyes as an interim, if there’s a plan to get any of the above in place in the summer. One of the few things we’ve done right in the last 30 years, to my mind, was getting a young David Moyes, and sticking with him, maybe he can be our (interim) saviour again?

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