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Derby humiliation triggers fresh Moyes speculation

| Thursday, 05 December 2019 274comments  |  Jump to last
David Moyes was being "lined up" as Marco Silva's replacement last night in the wake of Everton's 5-2 defeat in the Anfield derby.

Silva was reportedly on the brink of being sacked after overseeing his side's eighth defeat in the last 11 Premier League games and both The Guardian and the Daily Mail were reporting in the aftermath that Moyes is waiting in the wings to rejoin his former club, with Tim Cahill being considered as his assistant.

With neither Farhad Moshiri nor his boardroom representative Sasha Ryazantsev not in attendance at Anfield, the media briefing is thought to have come from Bill Kenwright's camp, further evidence perhaps of continuing disagreement among the hierarchy over how to proceed.

According to The Athletic, the board members will convene over conference call this morning to decide on whether or not Silva should continue as manager and, if not, who should replace him.



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Kristian Boyce
1 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:40:11
Supposedly Ryazantsev was there tonight and was ‘angrily gesticulating’ with Brands about the 1st 45 mins.
Cristobal Aguirre
2 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:55:13
One thing is clear: silva has to be sacked. Then, any decision can work or not but this situation is untenable. I would go for Moyes and Cahill, they know the club, they had been successful and Moyes style of play (not my favorite), is necessary to build from the defense. We need some results immediately and with Silva I am 100% sure we will loose all the next 5 games, and of course we will be relegated. He is the worst manager in club history, even though I think he is hard-working but he is simply not good enough.
Len Hawkins
3 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:11:31
I have no desire to see Moyes at Goodison Park ever again but if it could propel Cahill forward in the management stakes then it could be worthwhile so long as he knows he is there in desperation not reputation.
Ian Edwards
4 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:13:14
No Moyes. Never again. Dreadfully negative football. I'm done if gollum returns.
Derek Knox
5 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:14:51
Cristobal @ 2, I can't recall for ANY Club, either as a Manager OR a player where a return, or second coming, has worked out.

This is what I feel again, if the Board are that short-sighted, unimaginative and irresponsible to allow Moyes back, even on a temporary basis.

Yes he knows the Club, knows Kenwright, there lies the root of the problem!

Besides, I don't believe that Tim Cahill, although he is believed to be working at Finch Farm towards getting his necessary Coaching Badges, hasn't yet achieved the necessary grade to act even in the capacity of Assistant.

I also believe it would tarnish Tim's long standing relationship with the fans who genuinely love the guy.

Jim Bennings
6 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:16:02
Cristobal

You do realise though that Moyes built his defence last time around characters and leaders of men like Nigel Martyn, Alan Stubbs, Davie Weir, and later Joleon Lescott, Phil Jagielka and Sylvain Distin?

I’m not sure he’s got an awful lot better now at the back than what he had when he was relegated with Sunderland, infact he’s actually got the same jumpy bastard in goal that went down with him at the Mackems in 2017.

For me, it won’t work bringing Moyes back with this crop of players, there’s no harmony there or real heart in the shirt like with the squads that he worked with between 2002-2013.

I can only see this season ending in the disaster of relegation.

Bill Gienapp
7 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:20:20
If this travesty actually comes to pass, I'll unleash the full force of my anger then... but for now I'll ask those actually agitating for this move - what on earth do you think Moyes brings to the table? If you honestly think that ashen-faced idiot is capable of *anything* beyond doubling down on Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Tosun and Walcott, you're nuts.

We'd be better off digging up a random corpse and propping that up in the dugout... since Moyes looks half-decomposed anyway, you wouldn't even know the difference.

Colin Glassar
8 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:22:19
BK’s final move to seize control of “his club” is playing out before our very eyes. Moshiri has been a useful tool for King Billy. He’s made him a very rich man, trusted him with the stewardship of the club and now William Kenwright esq will stab him in the back and remove him from the club!

Kenwright knows enough Shakespearean intrigue to pull this off. It will be his greatest production yet. Iago would be proud of him.

Justin Doone
9 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:28:56
I'd give Silva a target of 9 points in next 5 games before having to win the FA Cup game or he's gone.

I'd be all in for Poch ASAP or Mancini in the summer. Otherwise if Silva fails to meet target another short-term manager for rest of the season. Happy for that to be Unsworth if needs, Moyes, Emery, Hiddink whoever..

Sometimes a change sparks a short term improvement and we need positive change ASAP.

Derek Knox
10 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:34:23
Bill, @7, to quote you " We'd be better off digging up a random corpse and propping that up in the dugout ".. it would still be more motivated than Silva, whose countenance is resembling that of a cadaver the longer his overdue sacking continues.

Let's face it mate, I know there is a diversity of opinions between us fans, but I believe generally sifting through those diverse opinions and suggestions that they are far more savvy than our present Board and leadership(?).

In the beginning I can't recall many shouting for Silva and hailing it as a success, at the start of his tenure. Okay Steve Ferns has always defended Silva and championed his appointment, and I admire Steve in many ways for that, even though the majority were against it, but I can't help feeling Steve has been totally let down too, and his loyalty misplaced.

Getting back to Moyes, I can't help but feel that if the Board do knee-jerkingly appoint him, it not only shows that Kenwright still is getting his own way, a 5% shareholder swaying the Board, is akin to the tail wagging the dog!

Tony Hill
11 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:36:36
Why do we have Brands if Kenwright makes the calls?
Jim Bennings
12 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:37:33
Justin

Well if one of the deals is winning the FA Cup tie then you might as well just pack poor Marco’s bags now.

There’s no way on this planet that we are going to beat them, they could send their women’s team or Under 11’s side out and they’d still beat us there, they just don’t know how to lose derbies and we don’t know how to win them, perfect combination for those in red.

My guess is the nightmare will be complete by the imminent sacking of Silva just to replace him with Moyes and our eventual relegation, if it does happen in May then this club and group of failure players deserve it, so I won’t argue.

Danny Baily
13 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:43:11
Colin 8, what a load of nonsense.

Moshiri wanted Silva and moved heaven and earth to get him, despite his poor record. We flirted with a relegation battle last year and now we're well and truly in one.

Kenwright isn't the bogey man here. Brands and Silva are responsible for sending us into a season with a squad of players that aren't good enough for this league. Moshiri is responsible for bringing in a manager who is not up to managing in this league, and failing to sack him last January at the earliest and two weeks ago at the latest.

We've made all the wrong moves since Moshiri took control. The parallels with Villa under Lerner are clear to see. Some time in the wilderness of the Championship beckons.

Brent Stephens
14 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:52:25
Ian #4 Now isn't the time to be concerned about negative football from a new (interim?) manager. Now is the time to save us from relegation. Then and only then can we consider more attractive football. Priorities!
Daniel A Johnson
15 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:01:18
My mate sent me a text last night it said

"Leeds & Aston villa"

Can pretty much guarantee we are next

Simon Eastham
16 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:01:44
Please Please Please tell me there are more attractive candidates on the table other than Moyes. I'd hope Mr Brand would of been searching for a quality replacement for some time to give said new manager December to find the feet and hit the ground running in the New Year (ideally picking 6 points up on Boxing day and the 28th). Honestly cant see any coming before then.
Jim Bennings
17 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:09:19
Not only a manager needs to make the difference but I think we need the shrewdest January transfer window since 2012 when the injection of life came in the shape of Pienaar, Gibson, Jelavic and Donovan.

My advice is look around for hard nosed seasoned Premier League pro’s on loan until May, get them in and tell them to keep this club in the league (ala Kevin Campbell 1999).

No more fancy shots in the dark on unknown players from leagues unknown.

Chris Mason
18 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:10:14
It makes no difference to anything of course, but if they hire Moyes, we are done and I am through.
Ian Pilkington
19 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:14:33
Moyes and Cahill? Is this a nightmare in which we are already in the Championship?

I can't decide who Moshiri should sack first this morning, Silva or Kenwright.

Steve Oshaugh
20 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:27:15
I am not advocating going back to Moyes at all. I think once you've left a club you should never go back – it seldom ends well.

What I don't understand is the venom directed at him. He was by no means flawless and we played some truly terrible football more often than you would like but... and it is a big BUT... he also brought the best times of the last 20 years to the club, brought some pride back into the club and actually had at least one team (Baines, Pienaar, Gravesen, Jagielka, Arteta and Cahill) that was probably the best we've seen for 30 years.

I wasn't unhappy when he left but I was respectful of what he brought to the club while he was there. He and the club should have parted ways a few years earlier, mind.

Martin Mason
21 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:30:10
Please say it isn't true. Only at Everton could we promote catastrophe as a cure for disaster. It'd be amazing irony if Messiah Moyes came and took us down.
Martin Berry
22 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:35:46
Its impossible for Silva to stay how many more games must he lose ?.
As for Moyes or whoever comes in has three big problems
The defense cannot keep a clean sheet.
The midfield has lost its best players Gomes, Ghamin and Delph
We have not replaced Lukaku and cant score enough at the other end.
In defense of Moyes, if will tighten the defense and make us harder to beat, he did wonders on a very tight budget, people forget where our regular league finishes were with him. Additionally his transfer dealing came from loose change from the back of Bills sofa !
The downside was that he was more afraid of losing rather than winning, that said he has some talent at his disposal when all fit.
I am not advocating Moyes as the answer but he could yet do a very good job with Moshiri's resources.
My number one choice however would require "Waiter Service" brought in from me old China !
Fran Mitchell
23 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:40:46
If Moyes is hired then we are asking for relegation. If the put Cahill into the mix, that is just a sad ploy to try and win fan support. We deserve more than that.

Moyes is past - his tactics, his association with Everton, his relevance, all in the past. There is a reason he is unemployed, and he should remain so.

Just DO NOT HIRE MOYES.

I was in the 'in defense of Moyes camp' before he left us (and shafted us), but this would be a dark day, just as dark as the Sam Allardyce appointment.

We need someone to come into this club and give us a lift, to lift the gloom and give hope for success.

A good manager would look at Everton and see a project to be had. We have money to spend when needed, we have some talented players, a decent academy. We are just in a rut, but a good manager (and coaching team) can change that.

Joe McMahon
24 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:41:38
Martin @ 21 how do you explain 4 sackings since Everton and relegating Sunderland?
Chris Cole
25 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:41:38
Absolutely not Moyes.

Our club throws money about like confetti on players (attempting to "show ambition") yet never shows any ambition when recruiting for the most important job: the manager.

Don't let Kenwright pick the next manager, and don't waste time on another interim manager either, show some AMBITION.

Roman Sidey
26 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:45:36
If I hear the phrase "knows the club" one more time I may just lose it. This club is toxic and it will take a bunch of people with zero relationship with Bill and his boys to improve the place. Did Klopp ever set foot in Liverpool before his appointment? What about Pep in Manchester except to beat either side with Barca or Munich? Have a look at all the successful managers in England over the past 20 or so years. How many "knew the club"?

The word "Moyes" needs a Stalin-like redaction from all the phones, laptops and whatever from anybody involved with making decisions at Everton.

Jim Bennings
27 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:46:56
Martin

I’m not sure you can say the midfield has lost its best players in Gbamin and Delph.

We don’t know a thing about Gbamin yet, he could be really good or he could be nothing special.

Delph has been pretty bang average in the games he’s played that I’ve seen him in, the Bournemouth game we lost, he was simply overrun, his legs have gone and he’d offer little more than Schneiderlin or Davies.

Gomes prior to his injury was having a pretty poor season himself and again he’s another player who on his day is fantastic but is maybe a one good game in six matches type.

The faults are.

1) No leader in defence and no athletic beast ( I can’t work out if Mina is very quick because when I see him he looks really slow, yet I’m told he’s quick)

2) The loss of Gueye, firstly he shouldn’t have been sold, he didn’t agitate for a move and shouldn’t have been sold not for that fee and not until we have at least two like for like replacements lined up, Gbamin I’m told has a different style completely anyway, and Delph nowhere near Gueye’s energy levels.

3) Why sign a number 2 goalie when no matter how Pickford plays he’s never dropped?

4) The Centre forward position.
Two years on we have done nothing to replace Lukaku. We have signed a load of duds and are continually playing DCL there who is a blunt sword most of the time.
We needed experience, what we do is sign a 19 year old kid.

I can’t see how Moyes or anyone can substantially change what I’ve witnessed all season.

Too many poor decisions were made during the summer as usual.

Jukka Peltoniemi
28 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:48:05
There is your list of free agent managers. Surely there is someone much more qualified than Moyes to lead us into new age. I'd take anyone from page one rather than go for Moyes.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

James Stewart
29 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:48:31
The fact that Moyes is the only realistic name out there tells us all we need to know about who is running the show.

I want Bielsa, Rafa or Wilder at least.

Derek Knox
30 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:49:38
Fran @ 22, I think you share the majority of our feelings there, and succinctly put your post across. I am hoping upon hope that any announcement from the Board will contain not only some good news, but a different nominee to take the slippery reins, and guide us back to some respectability in the Table.
Andrew Laird
31 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:52:09
People trotting out the “he will sort the defence out” seem to be happily skirting over his time at all the other clubs after he stuffed us to “bigger and better things”. Sunderland faired really well in the premier league didn’t they?

Moyes is a worse bet than Silva. The end.

Tony Marsh
32 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:53:10
Might as well stick with the Portuguese Pardew rather than bring Deadly Davey Moyes back to the club. Moyes will take us down but he will come armed with a ready made excuse. Dave uttered the R word as soon as he walked through the door at Sunderland and he knows he can safely use it if he returns to the club. We were in trouble when I arrived will be the Moyes mantra.

Be in No doubt Moyes is the Grim reaper. Those who wish for the return of the Ginger prepare yourselves for the lower leagues. You need to look at the state of Man Utd after Moyes ripped it apart on arrival.

The days of the Dinosaur are over. Pardew, Hughes, Allardyce, Moyes, etc are finished in the modern game. Why Moyes? Why not fully retrace and dig up Howard Wilkinson Moyeses Guru.?

Bill Gienapp
33 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:02:44
Derek (10) - I was desperate for things to work out with Silva, but even I have to admit his position has grown untenable. So be it.

What drives me up the wall though, is this rationale that Moyes represents a "safe pair of hands." Based on what evidence?? I don't want to hear about what he did with the club ten years ago - that's an eon in footballing, it's completely irrelevant. His track record since leaving has been beyond dire. And he's completely wrong for this squad - you think he's going to unlock Moise Kean's potential? Don't make me laugh.

(sorry, that became more of a general rant, wasn't directed at you, as I know we see eye-to-eye here)

Dan Nulty
34 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:02:49
I understand from a friend of mine at sky and an Everton fan that this is a done deal with Moshiri thinking about it last night. All terms agreed to end of season by Bill.

I think it will be a bad move personally for the board.

Danny Broderick
35 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:06:33
We’ve just got to get Silva out now, and get Duncan and Unsie in charge for Saturday. Give them 3/4 games while we plot our next move. If they are doing well, let them have it until the end of the season. If it is not going well, let’s face it we are not expecting much from the next 2/3 games anyway. That gives us time to appoint someone, and get them in before January.

The problems in this team are not technical. What’s lacking is character, resilience, balls. It’s not rocket science. We don’t need some foreign manager no one has ever heard of who doesn’t know the league. We need a motivator, organiser, whoever that may be. And a couple of loan signings who are leaders wouldn’t go amiss either...

Martin Berry
36 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:08:50
Ladies and Gents I just deal with the facts, the facts of our league positions under Moyes, what happened elsewhere was when not my our Evertons concern.
As mentioned for those who missed it and in my own defense not advocating Moyes as my last line stated my preference.
Derek Taylor
37 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:09:14
This debacle is down to one man and that's Moshiri. He and Usmanov settled on Silva for Arsenal manager when they had hope of taking that club over.

Nothing would deter him when charged with replacing Koeman -- the trouble was the cashmen were then controlling Everton. Money was thrown at 'the project' and it's been pissed down the drain. Most of us will be disgusted if he now let's Kenwright bring his blood brother back as it's a sign that the top level of governance is totally bankrupt of ideas.

Behold the end is nigh!

Jer Kiernan
38 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:11:50
Classic Everton Board manouever, Wait until it soo bad the fans will accept anything, Piers Morgan anybody ? He should have been sacked months ago
The fact the Board are "reacting" to last night is criminally negligent


Watch as Moyes gets the gig with some fans "fav" put in (sacrificed)as a human shield to deflect the derision of the fans to ditthering Dave who will take us down btw

The media will lay the boot into the ungrateful Everton supporters who dare to speak up after ALL Davey boy and Billbo have done for the club

I despair

John Keating
39 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:13:45
I would love to see Moysie back.
Not only would it be a comeback for him but we might also get comebacks from Tony Marsh, Eugene Ruane and John Daley.
Without a doubt during the last couple of seasons with Moyes the posts were far more entertaining.
Yes bring back the dour Presbyterian and Morag asap
Ajay Gopal
40 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:37:57
PLEASE someone tell me that this isn’t happening. A 5-2 hammering at the hands of the Reds I can grudgingly take with the hope that there will be better days. But going back to Moyes, for me the message is - the Club has dropped any pretences of being ambitious. For God’s sake, we are 15 games into the season, still 23 games to play. We have the transfer window coming up, give the new manager every chance to build for the ‘next season’ (I know!). If Moyes is appointed, I would question Brands’ role as DoF - we don’t need a DoF to take the easy option. Come on Everton, show some balls! Show the 2 fingers at the media - inspire the fans! Come On You Blues!
Stewart Oakes
41 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:43:25
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'd rather see Willie Kirk moved across from the women's team before I see Moyes anywhere near our dugout
Laurie Hartley
42 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:45:04
I suppose Diego Simeone is out of the question for us but he is exactly what we need. He would teach them how to defend as a unit.

Such an appointment would cost a considerable amount of money but it will cost Farhad Moshiri a lot more in the long run if he doesn’t appoint someone of similar record, tactical mindset, and force of personality.

Martin Mason
43 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:45:08
Moyes is tainted by whatever it is that eats the soul out of the club. Anybody who is tainted with Everton mediocrity from Kenwright to Ferguson should be dispensed with.
Laurie Hartley
44 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:54:43
John Keating # 36 - can I add Phil Walling to your list. Another top drawer TWr who has disappeared into the sunset over the last few seasons.
Si Ord
45 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:55:37
As someone said returning to old flames if you could call Moyes that rarely works.
Giving Silva more time is absolutely insane as someone else suggested.
All the obvious/ available choices will not take the club forward.
Bielsa is too old to suddenly rediscover the mojo of a club as sick and ailing as Everton.
Choices like Mancini and Pocchetino are about as likely as Everton winning the league in the next 5 years.
Slippy- what planet are you on?
Benitez would not take us down, and the Waiter definitely represents one of the safest pair of hands!
However if we one this club to ever return from is zombie state we have to look at someone like Gallardo and build a proper club from the academy up.
What really galls me is that in a project of this size in 4 years we never seem to have had a plan B?
Moshiri, if he is the clever businessman developing a model for an international recognised club should have had C, D and E.
Why do we not have replacements lined up?
Brands should be able to marshal the club, turn it around enough to get mid-table and build for the future or he needs to go.
I cannot believe after the season we have had Silva did not get the bullet the second the final  whistle went against Norwich.
We should not be losing to no mark teams like this at home!
It hurts me that it keeps happening.

I don't believe however inexperienced he is this would happen under Arteta.
Is it a dreaming to think we might get him and Cahill.
With these two at least we would be building for the future too.
I know it is a real pipe dream, but my personal favourite is Simeone and not because of his obvious status.
I am tired of us getting stuffed and avoiding even looking for the result.
I have gone from a season ticket holder of 16 years on the bounce to hiding from our results.
I want someone who makes us hard to be beaten and builds from a core of young players who develop with the club.
Silva was never the right person for the job having failed at 2 lesser clubs.
Maybe Gallardo or Arteta if they would come are the answer, but someone in this expensive fiasco should have a blueprint for the future of this great club!

Brian Murray
46 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:00:00
My lad (a taxi driver ) had Moyes in the back as he was talking to Kenwright! My son Dean, named after the great one, told him in no uncertain terms he is not welcome back here.

Moyes's response was, I quote, "I'm the only manager to get the team above Liverpool," probably inferring that little ole Everton should be grateful for his input.

I'm done with EFC if he ever comes near. Be strong, Blues, stick together like the shysters and we can oust teary eyed idiot and all his cronies.
Steve Brown
47 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:00:08
The man who claimed that mediocrity was all Everton could expect, winning nothing was success- he was found out good and proper by every club he has managed since. If we go for another divisive hire like him then the relationship with half our fan base will finally break.
Craig Walker
48 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:01:05
It never works when a player or manager goes back. Even Kendall couldn't bring back the magic. Moyes is a busted flush as a manager. This is a guy who told Sunderland fans they were in a relegation battle in about September. I appreciate Moyes' time. He did good things for our club and re-established some pride in the fanbase. He had some good qualities and I like him as a bloke but he outstayed his welcome and left for better things. I don't blame him for taking the United job but he left with little appreciation for our club.

Why are we always looking to the past as a football club? Why do we think Moyes can sort it out? We need a manager who can sort out the team, has tactical nous and a defined playing style and can manage big egos.

I don't know European and World football like I used to but I can't believe there isn't a manager out there who would jump at the chance of managing our great club and see it as a challenge. I've advocated Benitez and I think he's a good fit - not perfect but has a lot of attributes which our recent managers so not have. At the moment, it's anyone but Moyes for me.

Has there been a subject on ToffeeWeb which gets more discussion than the debate between IMWT and the Moyes detractors? We need to move on.

I've never felt as bad as this though. I don't see any positives at present. I know we've had some serious scrapes with relegation but there's an air of inevitability around the place at the moment.

James Marshall
49 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:04:31
Moyes & Cahill on an interim basis. If true, I would just about stomach it - on an interim basis.

The real question is, if not them, then who?

Answers on a postcard.

Would Davey make us hard to beat? Probably, yes. Maybe? Who knows, but to my mind this is what's required. When you're playing like shit, leaking goals and losing every game, the position you're in means you need to become harder to beat, and that's stage one. After that, it becomes something else.

The board need someone who will make us difficult to beat. End of story. For now.

Tony Hill
50 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:07:08
Steve @43 that is right. It would sum us up - self-indulgent, half-baked, living in the past.
Kenny Smith
51 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:16:55
How has it come to this ? This feels worse than 1994 or 1998 when we should of gone down but the footballing gods gave us a walk over.
Thats probably because we’ve got money now but just keep spunking it in the pound shop on players who can’t do it at other so called big clubs and managers who are just totally unsuitable.
We need another miracle but I just can’t see us escaping this one. Moyes makes sense as an appointment despite the majority including myself being against it. We might have to swallow this one to get out of this though. It’s unlikely he ll come on a temporary basis as he’s got us over a barrel. We’re destined to a life of mediocrity in the premier league. That’s better than the yearly grind trying to get out of the championship because we ll go down defending like last night. Don’t be fooled by us scoring a couple because at any point they could of stepped it up with their fringe players and embarrassed us even more more if that’s possible.
Peter Neilson
52 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:31:21
Unless there is an obvious quality candidate out there then a short term appointment is needed to the end of the season to scrap for points. It wont be pretty. Can't see the likes of Simeone, highest paid coach in Europe, even being interested. At best with this setup we are a mid table club but sinking below even this low bar. Issue will remain that the squad we have doesn't look like a bunch of fighters. Moshiri also needs to either trust Brands or get rid. No other Prem club has been taken over by a new owner and kept the previous Chairman. Everton that.
Chris Cole
53 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:33:05
Moyes and Cahill - lmao - Kenwright thinks he's producing a feel-good "Return of the Prodigals" in the West End!

No more old boys, the club needs cleansing of this mediocrity, this gravy train they're all on. No more influence from Kenwright please.

The club need to get a new manager who'd make all the fans go WOW!

No matter how much it costs, it won't be more expensive than how much has been spent on Iwobi, Walcott, Keane and Sigurdsson.

It should be an appealing project - we are 18th yet three points from 12th and only seven points from 6th place! The new man would get this season effectively to review the squad and see what he can do. He'd have to be seriously incompetent to get us relegated.

Throw the chequebook at one of these Argentinians: Simeone (who sounds like he might be coming to the end at Atletico), Pochettino or Gallardo. They have the grit and the right mentality that we have been sadly lacking in recent years.

Bobby Mallon
54 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:44:21
I would love silva to change his style to suit his players. Play pragmatic defensive football and win most games 1.0, but that is not going to happen so he has to go.
Jim white just said we are sacking silva today
Jerome Shields
55 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:49:30
Basically there are no candidates for the job, not even Cuco. Moyes will find plenty of support within Everton, very little has changed since he was last there. Cahill is just sugar to sweeten the fans.

Hope Moyes doesn't arrive it will set back Everton for years.

Where the fuck is Brands and what is he doing?

Mike Doyle
56 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:52:08
... so about the only certainty we can rely on is that Duncan will retain his role when Marco and his team are dispensed with?
Benjamin Dyke
57 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:52:14
Why would a world class coach come to Everton and risk losing a reputation making it hard to get a new job, even if we pay them 20m? They won't. So we have to look at the next tier. And who's in that tier? Dyche, Howe? And then there's the short term has-beens like Allardyce, Moyes etc
Jeff Spiers
58 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:59:01
Prince Andy is outta work
Joe McMahon
59 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:02:12
We even missed out on the Leeds manager. This had got Moyes Unsworth written all over it. I don't want to see Kenwrights lovey 60s nostalgia face again!
James Marshall
60 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:03:19
I know it's a largely unpopular opinion, but I think we should go for Rafa Benitez.

Quick poll: Moyes or Benitez?

Phil Greenough
61 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:03:19
Benjamin, who needs kudos, when you've millions of pounds in the bank? Money talks, unfortunately our management doesn't. Well not to top managers anyway.
Paul Cherrington
62 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:04:40
What will set us back for years is getting relegated - which is what will happen if Silva does not go and we get someone in who is proven to know the Premier League and how to get results in it quickly. people need to accept this and also accept that fantasising about free flowing attacking football where we score 10 goals every game and have 99% possession is a luxury we cannot afford now.

Moyes is perfect for the job because he knows how to set a team up to defend and to be hard to beat - which is our number one weakness right now. Cahill next to him would be even better - two club legends who know the league, have lots of passion and know how to get us to safety quickly.

Funnily enough we did have a manager before Silva who knew what it took to win games in the league but he was never given a chance by some fans with closed minds. let's hope that whoever the new manager is actually gets given a fair crack of the whip before we start protesting about how 'dire' it is to win games and finish in the upper reaches of the table. those days under Moyes and Big Sam don't look so bad now do they?!!

Peter Laing
63 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:06:02
My biggest anxiety is that Moshiri no longer gives a fuck. Him and Kenwright are not on the same page, Kenwright obviously wants Moyes back but Moshiri pretty much knows if that happens then it's the end of his project. Moshiri is probably thinking he's had enough of throwing good money after bad and we are now staring at the abyss.
Craig Walker
64 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:06:33
James: Benitez. Without a doubt. Look at their records.
Drew O'Neall
65 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:10:11
Moyes out.
Steve Ferns
66 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:12:33
Silva is definitely gone, not sure why people are beating it. His interview after the game said he knew the game was up. He wasn't even trying to protect the players anymore.

Judging by the majority of the responses in the other thread, Moyes should have us in midtable in a couple of games. It's Silva holding us back, and without him we'll surely fly back up the table.

I can't wait to see Moyes transform that shower of shite into a decent side, stop all the suicidal passing, make the England international keeper make some saves, teach Keane how to turn faster, suddenly make Sigurdsson, Schniederlin and Davies quicker, and Kean score.

Ian Pilkington
67 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:12:47
The very thought of Moyes returning is totally unacceptable.
Under the assumption that Silva will be sacked this morning (at least eight weeks late) Moshiri’s last chance to protect his investment is to pay big money for Gallardo, Pochettino, Benitez or even Simeone, who appears to be on the way out at Athletico. None of them would be as costly as Sigurdsson’s £48M transfer fee.
Martin@40 is absolutely right. The mediocrities tainting our club must be removed forthwith.
David Pearl
68 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:18:53
Anyone think we don’t need Moyes back?

Take a good long look at the table!

Silva didn’t know how to set him team up. That’s how basic his knowledge is. So yes, Moyes will get us up the table. He will teach Keane, Holgate and Mina the art of defending. And he probably wouldn’t leave huge gaps in the centre of our midfield.

Mid season, bottom 3.

We DO NOT have a choice.

Tony Hill
69 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:19:39
I would certainly take Benitez now. I don't think it will happen though.
Dave Evans
70 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:22:33
Only one thing wrong with your poll James # 56. Benitez wouldn't come here. He's getting shed loads of money already, which takes away our only possible pull for him.
Steve Ferns
71 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:25:40
David, we do have a choice. This squad does not suit Moyes. He will take us down. The problem is the players on the pitch and that does not change with Moyes in the dugout. They’ll be just as bad. We do not need Moyes.

Stick Unsworth in for Chelsea and you’ll see a positive atmosphere lift the fear from the players and a result. Then we have 7 more days to get a proper manager in.

Appoint Moyes and there will not be a positive atmosphere from the crowd. Will Moyes even be applauded? His appointment will not lift the crowd and we need that now more than anything.

Bobby Mallon
72 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:40:30
Steve ferns you are correct
Phil Sammon
73 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:41:00
David 63

That’s the sort of reasoning that depresses me. Why is David Moyes the man to rescue us? No other PL club would be turning to him in our position. Our past association is completely irrelevant.

I would honestly rather we hired Pulis than Moyes.

Justin Doone
74 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:41:26
We are a good mid-table Premier league side. Talk if relegation is understandable because of the position we are in and current form.

But football changes quickly. 3 wins and we are mid table again. None of us really know why we defended so poorly and didn't learn our lesson but between them. Blame the manager but it's only the players on the pitch who can sort it out.

They didn't. Even with a change of formation and personal we were open up to quick, long ball counter attacks all game. This has been a weakness all season.

I'm not sure a new manager coming in now would be advantageous with the games we have. However it should be motivation and a real kick for everyone to learn quickly and improve.

We need leaders on the pitch, the dugout and on the board. We also need some experts to tap into their mentality and improve it. Sports science including mental health is real and we need to embrace it.

Julian Exshaw
75 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:44:07
I wouldn't expect any miracles from any new manager. This squad of players simply isn't good enough. Is Moshiri going to spend big in the January window? Even if he does, are the quality players even available? We need a good coach...a great one actually.
Phil Sammon
76 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:45:50
Steve 66

‘The problem is the players on the pitch and that does not change with Moyes in the dugout.’

While I agree that Moyes isn’t the answer I’m a bit concerned that you’re still defending Silva, Steve. You are basically absolving him of any responsibility with that statement.

If we could bring in Guardiola would you say ‘don’t bother...it doesn’t matter who’s in the dugout’?

Julian Exshaw
77 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:49:16
Silva's head will roll but what will happen to the person who bought these players? Who recommended them? We need 8 new players who will play with guts and pride. The rest should all be sacked. Sack the whole lot.
Michael Lynch
78 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:51:11
I think Speedo Mick should be given a shot at the job. Just picture him in the dugout - what player wouldn't give their all for a manager who's standing in his undercrackers in a wind chill of minus seven?

Ray Roche
79 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:02:00
Steve @66
Correct, Moyes ship has sailed. Most of my memories of Moyes during his tenure are positive, more positive than most of his football, but all the stars aligned for him. He managed to bring in excellent footballers at the right price or on loan, and he inherited players who made up for a lack of talent with fight and endeavour. He raised fitness levels and we had a team, not individuals. He will not pull that trick again, especially with the fannies that we’ve got now.
If he’s in the dugout on Saturday I’m in my garden. Fuck squandering what’s left of my limited time on this planet going back to Moyes.
Jer Kiernan
80 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:11:17
Fck Moyes/Benitez and a couple of notes, we DONT need to be hard to beat, Just because Silvas teams defended like an Alehouse setup doesnt mean we cant do better

Silvas biggest failing for me was he could not break teams down,no creativity, no patterns to unlock stubborn sides, rigid predictable slow football, Inferior teams who came to GP and gave us the ball for 70 minutes in full knowledge they would still be in the game at that point and BAM sucker punch

I am not saying we don't need to learn how to defend properly but we have a squad that is better than 3/4 of teams in our league, We need to be playing on the front foot and going for the jugular ( 2 DMs at GP against lower teams is BS)

Somebody who will unite our club and give the younger players a chance playing attacking football

Eddie Howe for me, The idea of the ginger FS coming back and lowering the standards to a degree that survival on the final day is deemed a success FCK OFF

The minute we bow to Moyes or Benitez the standards are back to Bills era, The VERY minute either of those 2 dinasours walk through the doors that is what we are accepting , I hope the people calling for either appointment aknowledge this

Whoever gets it needs to be "progressive" and look to get us scoring and attacking teams, and needs to set HIGH standards for themselves the board and players

Eddies the man

James Marshall
81 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:12:54
Dave@65

I disagree - the Chinese season has just finished, and Benitez family still live in the area, plus he's publicly stated he wants to come back to the PL. It's a perfect fit if you put aside Evertonians hatred of the man.

Personally I'm not one to hold grudges - players & managers come and go, much like friends and girlfriends. Holding a grudge doesn't do anyone any favours in my view.

James Marshall
82 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:15:51
Jer - give it a rest mate. We can't just go and get Eddie Howe whether you like it or not - he's the Bournemouth manager, currently employed by them, get it?

Jesus, you go on about this every day, and while I respect your choice, even if I don't agree with it, it's just not realistic right now. We're shorthanded here, up the creek with not a great deal of bargaining power.

We can't just tell Bournemouth to release him, that's not how this works (for the umpteenth time). I refer you back to the Watford/Silva debacle.

We DO need to become hard to beat - if you disagree with that, then I'm afraid you're entirely wrong.

Raymond Fox
83 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:17:26
We were a decent team at the back end of last season, we were beating teams at the top of the table.
What's changed, same manager this season but less Gueye and Zouma.
We didn't replace Zouma, and Gueye's replacements have most of the time been injured, that's the only difference.

Change the manager again by all means, but how much blame can you actually place on him? His position is practically untenable I agree and I'm not talking about retaining him, but anyone thinking that just changing managers again will magically transform our players I think are mistaken.
We will not go down I'm convinced of that whoever is the manager, but the club has become a disaster area from top to bottom.

Alexander Murphy
84 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:17:38
Anyone mentioning the slithering "Moyes" is bloody delusional !

Look at his track record of trophies = Zero.
Look at his post Goodison track record, please:
Man Utd = Sacked
Real Sociedad = Sacked
Sunderland (3 Apr 2017) = "It was getting a wee bit naughty at the end there so just watch yourself. You still might get a slap even though you're a woman. Careful the next time you come in"
Sunderland (April 2017) = Relegated (following 1-0 defeat to Bournemouth. After TEN YEARS in the PL)
Sunderland (22 May 2017) = Resigned
West Ham (5 May 2018) = Survived Possible Relegation
West Ham (16 May 2018) = Departed

NO !
NO !!
NO !!!

Liam Reilly
85 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:17:40
Can't understand how anyone can think Moyes is the answer and throwing TC into the mix is disingenuous from the club (if indeed it is true).

The players are a disgrace and the club needs to stop throwing huge money at bang average footballers. Who ever looked at Arsenal and thought - I wish: Iwobi was playing for Everton - or Keane, Mina, Sidibe, Walcott, Tossen, Schneid... could go on for most of the first team.

Mane 28M - Winnialdium 20M - how can our scouts be so shite!

Liverpool put out a second string team and our lot makes them look like world beaters. Surely that team sheet would be enough to motivate a professional footballer.

Whomever is manager for the remainder of the season; Silva or otherwise - one thing is clear - we need a fire-sale in the Summer.

Robert Tressell
86 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:18:27
The trouble is that we now urgently need someone to take up the helm mid-season. Anyone genuinely good will wait to see what jobs are available in summer.

So we go with a caretaker (eg, Moyes or Benitez) who, like Allardyce, will demand a 2-year deal so they can get paid off when we get the full-time guy in summer 2020. That full-time guy could be someone interesting like Gallardo or Arteta. These sorts of guys are too untested to risk now due to relegation risk.

Or, we could go for Sean Dyche on a 3-year deal now because he'd steady the ship, get performances (at least effort) out of the many under-performers, and finish in the top 10. Eddie Howe also possibly but I happen to think he's found his level and home at Bournemouth.

Final option is Bruno Genesio who is experienced, free and would 'get' the squad. More potential than Dyche but more risk too.

Alexander Murphy
87 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:20:51
Rafa The Gaffer.
Pochettino.

Both fine with Me.

John Hammond
88 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:20:56
Mentioned this on another post: According to Greg O'Keeffe at The Athletic we'd sounded out Moyes but it was put on ice due to the fan reaction and him wanting a permanent deal. If that's the case then I can't see him coming in.

Moyes did great things here but that was a long time ago and he's done nothing since to suggest he could fix things. I can just see it now: relegated by Moyes the same season the RS win the league.

James Marshall
89 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:23:21
All the talk of managers currently in jobs is utter pie in the sky. Look at what happened with Watford/Silva.

I'm not sure how many times it can be mentioned before people get it. We need a new manager NOW, like RIGHT NOW. Can you imagine us spending months haggling over Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche? Seriously, think about it.

You may believe in your heart of hearts that one of them is the right man, and fair play to you, but the reality is they're both in jobs as we speak so ruled out of the immediate running. Everton need someone free to start tomorrow. Literally tomorrow.

Eddie Dunn
90 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:26:14
Justin @69," three wins gets you mid-table", take a look at it mate, one win gets you 12th today. So many people freaking-out on here. The League has lots of shite teams. I have said it before, apart from Liverpool, Leicester and Man City there is a small group, Spurs, Utd and Wolves and the rest are much of a muchness.
I certainly expect Brighton and Newcastle to sink downwards and Saints little bubble will burst as soon as they get harder games. West Ham had a win at Chelsea but now are back on the slide, and Bournemouth are struggling big time.
There is no need to panic.
As for the new coach, perhaps Moyes till the end of the season will do the trick, until another fancy name comes up. The trouble is Wilder, Dyche(god forbid) Bielsa etc are all in the middle of promising seasons, and Benitez in China on mega-bucks. Although his family live in Caldy and he is unlikely to get another stab as Liverpool boss.
The summer will be the time to recruit. Now is tapping-up time.
Steve Ferns
91 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:27:38
Benitez has a £20m buyout clause and £12m a year wages. It's not as simple as going to get him.

Phil Sammon, Silva has gone, if he's as shite as you and others seem to think then magic wand waved and we will climb the table. I hope that's the case. We're only 7 points off 6th and we can get back in that race in no time.

The reality, and I hope I'm wrong, is that there is deep lying problems that Guardiola could not fix. And I don't think he's the man for this situation either, he's only ever managed clubs going for the title before he came in and then elevated them to another level. Could he take a midtable team and win? I'm not sure and we'll probably never know.

Everton are in a right mess, and that's what happens when you sack the manager. We need to let Brands do his job. He needs to select the right man for these players. Moyes is not the right man. This team does not fit his dour 451. Sure, he could turn old Coleman into Hibbert, Digne could do a Baines impression, but Mina, Keane and Holgate are not Jagielka and Distin. Our midfield lacks fit players, and even if they were fit, they're not the battlers Moyes wants.

Let Brands do his job. I bet things would be a whole lot better if you didn't have clowns in the boardroom trying to undermine him by signing Zaha, or like for his predecessor all signing a different number 10. Moshiri needs to take a lot of the blame here, but we need to be careful not to chase him off, because if he pulls the plug, then we're going down like Leeds and with crippling debts that will kill us off.

Just be calm and see what Brands does next.

Justin Clark
92 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:29:30
I was expecting to wake up this morning seeing that Silva had been sacked. What I’ve woken up to is him still in the job and Moyes truly lurking. maybe I’m still asleep. There is no way Silva can remain in charge for the Chelsea game is there?
Rob Halligan
93 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:30:11
SSN reporting Moshiri due on Merseyside today to talk to Silva. Only one outcome there.
dano holcomb
94 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:30:19
Everton til I die (and we aren't dead yet)!

Good time for a change
See, the luck we've had
Can make a good man
Turn bad
So please please please
Let us, let us, let us
Let us get what we want
This time

Haven't had a TEAM in a long time
See, the crap we've had
Can make a good man bad
So for once in our life
Let us get what we want
Lord knows, it would be the first time
Lord knows, it would be the first time

We are in a bad way, but come on people. Let's not throw in the towel just yet. Its going to take all of us to lift us out of this trouble we're in. #COYB

John Graham
95 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:31:50
It can’t be Simeone can it.
Now there’s a manager who would rattle some cages and give a kick up the backside to a few.
Think a few premiership managers would be quaking in their boots too.
Could we really be that ambitious.
Living in a dream world.
COYB
David Pearl
96 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:33:38
Alexander

Mourihno
Chelsea - sacked
Man Utd - sacked

We could do that with any manager.

The reason it’s Moyes?
That should be simple.

We are in the bottom 3. We need someone to hit the ground running. If we were looking to appoint a new manager at the end of the season then l would look elsewhere as he would have a full pre season to shape things. We don not.

We are closing in on Christmas and Moyes, believe it or not, is not as big a gamble as any foreign manager coming in. Moyes has his failings, we all do.

We have no choice.
As for Moyes system, he isn’t fixed on his old 4411.
We played with 5 at the back and nothing in midfield.

Whoever comes in l will support them. I have to, l’m a blue.

Jer Kiernan
97 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:34:06
@James 84
There is a clause in Eddies contract is there for a reason, we just need to behave in the right manner Ask bmouth for permission to talk to Eddie and ask how much the clause then decide if we are willing to pay (is his dream job bmouth will not want an unhapy manager at the helm)

My opinion is I would rather go with anybody that Moyes or Benitez, SO regressive as a move, and as I said the MINUTE they walk in the door we go from a side/club with great potential 7 points off where we need to be but playing awful,

To knife to gunfight bullshite all over again, Appionting either of those dinosaurs will say we have written off this season and final day survival is acceptable nay desirable

I only hope and pray that BK is aware how much he is hated by the fans and how his tenure is viewed, We need somebody to UNITE the club

There has to be more out there I would take Bielsa/Marcellino ANYDAY over that pair

Danny Broderick
98 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:40:36
Steve (86),

You say let Brands do his job - him doing his job is one of the reasons we are up shit creek at the minute! I’ve never seen such a fragile team mentally. His recruitment has been all wrong - we’ve got a team of mice.

Silva has been a problem, but not the only one. Brands is also a problem.

Whoever comes in will have my full support - Moyes or whoever. Beggars can’t be choosers. We need a strong man to whip these shirkers parading as footballers into shape.

Beyond that, the other problems at the club need to be sorted, and hopefully Brands will be booted into touch as well.

Eugene Ruane
99 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:41:11
Wee Sandy Moyes: “Och maw, pa’s nae fun any mair since he wiz kicked oot of aw they clubs fer bein’ a useless uninsprin’ big shite.”

Morag Moyes: “Noo you just hold yer tongue wee Sandy! Yer pa’s entitled t’feel a wee bit aggrieved after bein’ treated the way he wuz. It’s as if naebody appreciates his ability tae go intae a club and immediately lower expectations.”

David Moyes (shouting): “Where’s mah tea Morag!?”

Morag: “Here Sandy, tak this cuppa t’ yer pa.”

- Sandy takes the cup of tea into a dark room, a frail-looking slim cardigan-wearing figure sits in a large leather armchair, fists clenched, knuckles white. The curtains are drawn -

Wee Sandy: “Here’s some tea pa.”

David Moyes: “Cheers son.”

Wee Sandy: “Pa, ah hate tae say this but why don’t ye forget the fitba, you’ll never get back in the noo, you made tens of millions o’ poonds fer basically winnin’ fuck aw. Coont yer blessins, walk awa'’”

David Moyes: “NEVER!! Ach tae hear such defeatist talk from ma ain bairn is a disgrace. Ahm nae throwin’ the tool in! There has tae be SOMEONE oot theer who has a job tae dae. Someone lookin’ for an underachiever, someone prepared to accept second best.”

Wee Sandy: ‘Tut, ye live in a dream world pa, there’s not a cha…”

Morag: “Davie, telephone fer ye!”

David: “Who is it?

Morag: “The fat-heid guy fae Coronation Street, Bill wotsit fae Everton.”

- suddenly it’s as if David has received a thousand volts, he sits bolt upright -

He then turns to Wee Sandy, covers the receiver with his hand and says..

David: “Nae chance ye say? Oh ye of little faith. Tell you whit son, get mah knife oot, wheer goin’ tae a gunfight!”

Davie takes his hand from the receiver..

David: “Bill, hooz it goin pal….can ah whit?…Sure, nae bother, but I’ll need 6 mill a year and a 9 year deal…and a holiday hame in Peebles…”

Trebles, scowls and frowns ‘all roond’ ...again.

Jamie Crowley
100 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:45:07
My heart just smiled. Hello Eugene.
Ray Roche
101 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:46:13
Moyes is unemployed for a reason.
He’s past it.
Ed Fitzgerald
102 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:46:17
Moyes isn’t welcome back - but you are Eugene some much needed mirth on the darkest of days
Paul Tran
103 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:47:36
Steve, we're in a mess because of poor recruitment. I don't think this is a top four squad by any means, but it isn't a bottom three squad. The players look confused and bereft of confidence & purpose.

Moshiri's instincts told him that Silva would do better with a bigger budget and better squad and he got that wrong. Sack him, learn and make a better decision this time.

Getting this squad up the table will be relatively simple. Going beyond that is what's going to take some time.

Jer Kiernan
104 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:47:40
@Eugene 94

Classic yet again, where have ae bein ? we missed ye :)

Great humour and like all great jokes has more than a (ginger) nugget of truth in there for good measure

LMAO

Scott Hall
105 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:48:03
Jesus wept... if the criteria for getting the Everton managers job is "he knows the club" then I need to get my CV spruced up pretty quickly because I am in with a shout.

Moyes oversaw our redefining from a sleeping giant, to a wide-awake mid-table also-ran. He changed the ethos of Everton Football Club from proud winners, to plucky try-hards.

Get your knives our lads, because there are a lot of gun fights we need to go to.

Tony Abrahams
106 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:48:29
Funny Eugene, but also absolutely fucking terrifying. I feel for Silva, having to wait for Moshiri on the slow train, coming to sign off his check for failure, but I feel for “my club” more and just hope and pray that it continues to be my club, only until death do us part please?

Just reading your middle paragraph takes me back to the time I stopped going to Goodison Scott, it only lasted from the defeat of Wigan, until the end of that season, (a season when Everton actually played some very good football) but I couldn’t stand Moyes being in-bed with Kenwright no longer, with the safest job in football, at a club that once only existed to win things.

Robert Tressell
107 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:58:34
I thought Benitez was available for free in Jan. If not, then he's no caretaker. Moyes or Unsworth are probably the only caretakers. Grim.
Tim Locke
108 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:59:12
Nearly 100 comments and not one saying Moyes is a good option.

Do they think we are stupid.

1. He pissed around with us and left while telling everyone it was mid season and the contract would be sorted in the summer. What he failed to say was I agreed with Man U to take over there. Wanker. Every Everton fan I know hates him because of that.

2. He plays negative football which is why most fans wanted him out the door in the first place and why Man U also gave him the boot.

3. He isn’t a very good manager

4. He was in charge of Sunderland when they were relegated from the Premier League

5. Going back to a club every manager has done worse. Kendall with us, the RS with king Kenny, Chelsea with the choose one etc.

6. It’s a temp placement. Great if no other options are on the table but when there are other good managers out of work why go temp.

I would rather we had Fat Sam back than Moyes at least you know with Sam he will actually leave, Moyes could be there for years 🤢🤮

Jamie Crowley
109 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:00:25
My God I did this after the Norwich game - clock watching.

It's 1 pm over there. You've had your lunch, and still no announcement?

It just defies belief. If it wasn't so fucking tragic it'd be funny! How is this man still in a job. Even if he gets fired today, they STILL waited too long!

Unbelievable. Fucking muppets running our Club.

Robert Tressell
110 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:04:08
He's still in a job because there's no point appointing someone else during such a tough run of fixtures. Makes more sense to appoint someone at the start of January when they'll have an easier baptism. Silva is being held in place just to lose a few matches and take the fall for it.
Paul Jones
111 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:07:29
Sadly, Simeone I would anticipate more likely to go to Arsenal. It would appear to me that Alan Brazil describing those as " brain dead" who would object to Moyes ( Davey ) might have some lucrative Pantomime worked lined up with Blue Bill. After Sunderland David Moyes was only employable by those who make a living from Pornography. The world not just football has moved forward apart from "Red necks" both at home and abroad.
Given that we will be fighting relegation then someone with a proven track record of keeping a team up and in the worst case scenario returning them to the division at the first attempt would be my choice.
So Sean Dyche would seem to be the logical choice. Although the fact he did not survive the dysfunctional ownership model at Watford too might seem to also indicate that may be the route of the problem at Everton.
As Alex Ferguson explains in his writing a good manager picks the right owner/board. It would help if our board was united in their vision for the club and having a preferred choice of candidates.
Jamie Crowley
112 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:08:03
Robert -

If we appoint a new manager and contrive a way to get a single point out of the next three games under new leadership, it's worth it.

Silva is done. They can name Unsy and Stubbs (or choose any caretaker you please) in the interim and it won't change the likely outcome of zero points from 6 the next three games.

What is important is for the Board and Leadership to show they care, are aggressive, will only accept the BARE minimum of success, and not turn into an indecisive, leaderless, cowardly Club.

Sorry, I don't buy your argument.

Ian Pilkington
113 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:09:19
Thanks Eugene, a good laugh on a desperately miserable day.

James Stewart
114 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:11:01
@103

"Do they think we are stupid."

Yes.

Christy Ring
115 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:12:02
Apart from Moyes been past his sell by date, to even be mentioned for the Everton job is absolutely shocking. If he had signed a contract at the time, and Utd had to pay compensation, I'd have respected that, but to refuse an extension, knowing he had a deal done, when he was still under contract, was the lowest of the lowest, and for Kenwright to be still allowed make decisions, and wanting to take him back, after running the club into the ground, and never spending a penny, using the Sky money to keep us afloat, he should be shown the door.
Jamie Crowley
116 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:12:50
The Daily Mail is reporting that we're moving quickly to secure Moyes, as West Ham might be interested in bringing the Scot back.

That's just too funny. We're trying to speed along to secure the services of a football dinosaur who plays an awful brand, who failed at the "Big" Club, and then failed miserably overseas, only to come home to a historical English club and take them down.

What's next, a bidding war for a pile of shit?

James Stewart
117 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:15:55
The BK sweetener will be someone like Cahill packaged with Moyes to make it easier to swallow. Mind boggling incompetence.

What is the point in Brands if Moshiri is still calling the shots manager wise? Blind leading the blind.

Christopher Timmins
118 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:20:14
Tim @ 103

How many good managers who are currently available are interested in managing a relegation threatened club who have won nothing since 1994?

Steve Ferns may be correct in stating that Moyes might not keep us up with this squad, he could not do it with Sunderland, however, if he came back and did the job for us that he did with West Ham in the 2017/18 season I would take it. We could then move on in the summer.

I am still hoping for the ex Valencia manager but I accept that our club is not a very attractive proposition at this moment in time for any manger.

Sad times!

Andrew James
119 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:20:48
If Moshiri is back on Merseyside today (BBC reports he is) and Brands and Ryazantsev spent much of the second half in an Anfield meeting room based on the events of the first half, where is BK in all of this?

Not that I am complaining but this looks like Brands will be integral in what happens with Silva and a replacement. I just don't see Moyes as the one he would pick, even for 6 months.

John Graham
120 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:22:13
New manager interview

Have you won anything. - NO
How’s your last 8 games been. - W 1 D2. L5
Have any top teams wanted you. - NO
Do your team concede lots of goals - YES
Would you like to live up north. - NO
Do you support Everton - YES

You got the job

Welcome Eddie Howe
Welcome championship football

Robert Tressell
121 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:22:48
I think Dyche would take the job mid season and do a solid but boring job. We would be solid and boring and 8th ish for a few seasons.
Ken Kneale
122 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:25:20
Steve don't let Brands off the hook here. If he was fulfilling his role competently, we would not be in this position. Suggesting clubs get in a mes because they sack their manager is a half truth - the other half and it fits in this case, is that clubs get into a mess because the don't sack their manager.

Unlike you Steve, many of us saw this moment arriving during the Aston Villa, Sheffield United etc. games. Add in the form dip from last year, previous clubs doing similar and the abject quality of the football and player commitment and anyone who did not know it had arrived by Norwich is no football expert - Silva is a poor leader and a serial loser.

Right now in the case of Brands, if I bought him at my price and sold him at his, I would make a handsome profit - my jury is very much out on him. He needs to show some directorial responsibility and take a lead on matters - presently he anonymous.

Brian Wilkinson
123 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:26:51
Why, why, why are we not being linked to Benitez?

Out of the ones who could be available, surely we should at least have him on a shortlist? I've been saying this for weeks now and still no mention of the guy in Everton's thoughts.

Jamie Crowley
124 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:32:19
James Stewart @ 112 -

Tim Cahill, inasmuch as I completely adore the man, has never managed a single professional game.

Anyone equating him to a dozen packets of Splenda is delusional. In fact, adding him as the sweetener might be the most offensive thing the Board can do, insulting the intelligence of one hell of a knowledgeable fan base.

Ernie Baywood
125 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:33:25
Andrew 114 - this is the biggest problem with our club. Accountability.

The last lot blurred the lines so much that no-one was accountable for anything. Walsh, Koeman... who knows who was supposed to be doing what?

We now have a DoF responsible for identifying players. But how do you hold him to account when he clearly didn't pick the manager who trains and plays them?

I fully expect Silva will point at Brands. Brands will point straight back at Silva (and whoever chose him). I also expect that we'll sack Silva and pick an interim coach - how can you expect Brands to recruit the right coach midseason and with no time? Or at least that will be his argument.

Time for Moshiri to step up. The club is paying big salaries to these guys. They should have responsibility for what's happening. Just as they would in any other business.

Interim coach and give Brands a few months to recruit the right guy. No more messing around. You do the job right, or you go.

Jamie Crowley
126 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:34:33
James I need to add - that comment was not directed at you in an aggressive manner. Please don't misread it.

I agree with you 100% Cahill is the added sweetener in a Moyes appointment. It just grinds my gears to the core.

We are on the same page. I read my comment back and thought it might be misconstrued.

Cheers.

Matthew Williams
127 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:37:40
Please God NO,I ain't forgiven the Ginger Snake over our home F.A Cup defeat to Oldham. (It took me two years before I could finally watch it,such was my anger).

Time to give Preston N.E a call again,get Alex Neil in.

Do it Mosh.

Bill Gall
128 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:39:06
Moshiri may except Moyes till the end of the season but Moyes being his arrogant self says he will want a long term contract and hopefully that is why he will not be hired.

Everton are in a mess top to bottom, and does not need a knife to a gunfight attitude we need an anti tank gun to a knife attitude. Moshiri was supposed to bring an ambitious future to Everton and you will not fulfill your ambition by going into the past

Moyes is not a winner he is a safety valve and hiring him shows a complete lack of ambition

Jer Kiernan
129 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:39:08
@John Graham 115

Nice work but not even mildly smart or amusing, If you think we would be Employing Eddie for what he has done in last 9 games as opposed to taking a punt on the evidence of the last 9 years you are delluded

As I said previously had he acheived the same levels of success in the business world he would have been snapped up ( and he will be )

Our board is bad but give them some credit, It is a good job you are not a member of though,

So please Enlighten us all with your viable suggestion for our next manager ?

Stephen Davies
130 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:45:47
Bill #123
Everything you mentioned there is spot on.
Unfortunately at present we haven't got a good hand and Moyes may just call our bluff.
And knowing this lot we will fold.
This is all a fucking mess and on par with the Walker debacle, the difference is that there was a Saviour on the horizon atm there isn't one.
Rob Marsh
131 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:47:00
Moyes now at 1/4

I'm really struggling with this, it means the club has no ambition whatsoever and certainly no idea what to do to get us out this.

Jamie Crowley
132 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:49:24
Rob -

Funny, I just looked at odds myself.

It's bleak. And you're correct.

If this comes to pass, it means the Club has no ambition whatsoever.

Jamie Crowley
133 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:50:39
Sunderland are currently 11th in League 1.

Aim high with that Moyes appointment.

Stephen Davies
134 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:51:13
News imminent
Sasha at FF. Moshiri expected shortly
Craig Walker
135 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:53:36
Stop pissing about and get on the phone to Rafa.
Paul Tran
136 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:53:59
I'll say it again, we need a firestarter, not a firefighter.
Jer Kiernan
137 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:54:33
@Jamie 128

AND he is not going to keep us up either, his standard will be set at 4th from bottom and like Benitez his appointment will actually drag us into a relegation "dog fight" by its "intent" alone, the type of players we have are not equipped for such a project. We are 7points of where we need to be

He did same with Sunderland basically in the 1st week of the season sounding off about the drop ( shocking ) and lo and behold the standards or lack of are set from there ,and himself and Physcho barely scrapped it with WHU

At this stage I will take anybody over Moyes or Benitez, I am getting desperate now

@Paul Tran 131

Thats the spirit lad ,hope there is at least somebody on the board thinking the same.. I wont hold my breath

Dave McDowell
138 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:58:32
Paul #131 Amen to that
Steve Ferns
139 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:00:19
Cahill is not the answer. This is not Marine u9s. This is the elite of European football. We need a coach with ideas not one with a manual tucked under his arm.

Although if he’s working with Moyes it’ll probably be a clipboard and a headset. Where is Round these days?

Tony Abrahams
140 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:00:50
Duncan Ferguson might finally get his chance to lead out the blues on Saturday, or will it be Moyes?
Tony Abrahams
141 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:03:32
I think the biggest idea might be to get the players to roll up their sleeves and fight, maybe it really is that simple?
Bobby Mallon
142 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:05:36
Moshiri got on a train 1 hr ago
Thomas Rigby
143 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:10:16
Sixty two years a supporter and until today the one moment that led to Everton's decline was selling Alan Ball.If this is true about a Moyes return then it is a far worse decision and will destroy Everton,because it betrays the trust fans have in their club.It really shows how little the club knows it's own fans.
Stephen Davies
144 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:12:51
Just read a startling fact.
The starting 11 of Everton cost more than Liverpools.
If ever there was a Gif function allowed on here I could use it right now.


Tony Abrahams
145 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:13:55
Another 50 minutes to Runcorn, Bobby, it’s on days like today that we could have done with that HS2.
Paul Tran
146 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:16:44
Jer, my guess is that Moshiri wants a firestarter, but may be questioning his judgement, Brands & Sasha want the right firestarter when he's available and Bill & Denise want Moyes.

Kim Vivian
147 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:17:48
Stephen Davies
148 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:18:08
Paul #131.
Correct.
As my old Dad used to say.
Always Fight Fire with Fire.
That's why he was thrown out the Fire Brigade.
Paul Tran
149 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:19:10
Too much arson around, Stephen?
Mike Hayes
150 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:19:33
If we get Moyes back fans need to voice their disapproval with their feet and stay away an almost empty stadium (sad as it may be) is the only language these dicks understand
Steve Ferns
151 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:20:38
Paul, why are Denise and Bill even talking? It should be Brands talking and moshiri listening.

If you don’t want to take Brands advice and think he’s more culpable than Silva, fire him too.

Why can’t the suits stay out of this?

Derek Thomas
152 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:20:47
If the options are Moyes or rs rafa then the tea lady it is then.

Edit; with as assistant, for all I care, the black cat from last years wolves game...just not them twats.

Edit 2; Steve, spot on, she didn't even know who Southall was

Kim Vivian
153 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:21:58
I frankly don't care who we get so long as we stay up and then look to the future.
Steve Ferns
154 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:27:12
Kim, Moyes ain't here for 6 months, he is the future. This is Allardyce all over again, with Moshiri's pants round his ankles fleecing us for a long term deal, only this time Allardyce won't pocket the money and scurry off. Moyes is going to do everything he can to stay for the long term, and Worm Tongue Kenwright will be whispering in Moshiri's ear about what a great job he is doing.
Christy Ring
155 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:28:29
The board have to sack Silva today, a few comments looking for Benitez, was reading a thread the other day, West Ham were interested, and it said he has a £20m buy out clause. He wouldn't be my choice, and certainly not Moyes, and certainly not Kenwright involved.
Ray Robinson
156 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:29:47
Mike #145, much as I understand your sentiment, an empty stadium is not the answer in my opinion. The only way that we'll get out of this mess is with a full, supportive bear-pit atmosphere from now in - irrespective of who manages us. I've always believed that the collective will of Evertonians will always stop us being relegated.

We're on the abyss of oblivion at the moment. Not just the threat of relegation but the distinct possibility that the new stadium will never be built.

Paul Tran
157 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:30:52
Quite right, Steve. Logic tells me that the conversation is between Moshiri & Brands, with Moshiri accepting/over-ruling Brands' recommendations. But this is Everton, so do we suspend logic?

Let Brands do the job or let him go!

Tony Abrahams
158 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:30:55
Moshiri is in the building, let operation Silva now commence.
John P McFarlane
159 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:31:26
Apparently if Moyes does get selected to replace Silva, he wants a clause inserted that if he manages to get us 8th or higher his tenure will automatically be extended. Remember folks a Dour Scot is for life not just for Xmas!
Steve Ferns
160 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:33:05
Christy, the board have sacked Silva. The guy has been very professional and deserves to be sacked face-to-face. Which is why Moshiri is about to arrive to do just that.

Moyes is probably waiting in his car at New Mersey Retail Park, or somewhere close like that, to drive in to formalise the contract and then be unveiled tonight.

Riley Masters
161 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:34:02
To be honest Steve Ferns, in response to "Why can't the suits stay out of this?" I'd like to ask you lad why you can't do the same at least for a bit.

You've abandoned Silva after making something of an arsehole of yourself defending him, and your "pivot to Brands" is as transparent as it is galling. You've more neck than a giraffe lad, more cheek than a sumo as my Dad would say.

With a spectacular track record of being wrong around here maybe go and watch Blackstuff and the follow up tv series and give the site a break. It's not only a brilliant show - and every scouser over forty should be ashamed if they've not seen it - but it might help you answer some of the other dim witted things you've written here lately.

Just not in the mood today for Steve fucken Ferns web, particularly with this embarrassing leap from the Silva horse to the Brands donkey. Give us a break lad.

Steve Ferns
162 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:34:26
Tony, Operation Moyes more like.
David Pearl
163 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:37:41
Moshiri trying to save money already to put towards Silvas compo. He had his car pick him up at Runcorn station so he wouldn’t have to pay the £2 merseyflow. Can’t blame him.
Jim Hillier
164 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:37:54
Moyes? And I thought last night was depressing enough. Please tell me it can't be true
Derek Knox
165 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:37:55
Steve F, I could have sworn I saw Moyes in Chester this morning...…………………………………….. but it turned out it was ET, as part of the Santa's Grotto for kids, and Blues of a nervous disposition.
Gerard Carey
166 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:38:53
Please please no Moyes, he shafted us before. And shit on us then, wanting to take some of our best players, saying they were going to a bigger and better club.

Over fifty years supporting this club, with plenty of lean times, but please not that GT.
Paul Tran
167 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:40:03
It wont be Moyes.
James Stewart
168 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:40:20
All good Jamie, we are on the same page.
Steve Ferns
169 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:40:39
Derek, If it was him, I'd have happily swung past and kidnapped him. Can't appoint him if they can't find him, eh? Don't worry though, dear old Davie would be returned to Uncle Bill's safe and sound once someone better was appointed.

Paul Tran, do you know something we don't?

Jer Kiernan
170 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:42:09
Can somebody throw themselves under Mosh's car suffragette style, to stop the appointment of Moyes or FSW

HEALTH & SAFETY NOTE : Any despondant Evertonians out there please DO NOT throw yourself under Mosh's car !!

Alan Bodell
171 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:42:22
With the ridiculous money we've spent on this squad and the return they have delivered whoever get's the job will need Tony Bellew on his backroom team if we are to get anything from them, for me only Digne looks like a good buy and he's probably thinking now he made a mistake.
Kristian Boyce
172 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:48:43
Aren't most sequels a flop? I'm so hoping Bill & Davey's (Un)Excellent Adventure won't get off the ground other wise TW is going to be a very dark place over the next few month.
Paul Tran
173 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:50:06
I don't know anything, Steve. Maybe being up here in the Highlands gives me some detachment from the media-induced hysteria?

I can't see us employing Moyes.

Jeff Spiers
174 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:51:58
Seriously. Without ToffeeWeb and its forum I would have cracked up by now. Thanks
Steve Ferns
175 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:53:54
Alan, there's a team there that needs a little bit more and it's top 6. We need a new centre-back or two, we need Gbamin to be what was promised, we need more legs in the middle with him, we need Gomes to come back 100%, and we need a left sided forward, I would even persevere with Calvert-Lewin and Kean for the central striker if we could have two Richarlisons up top and then they provide the goals, ie David Neres, Everton Soares. If we could get Barbosa and he's as good as Jay Wood leads us to believe then perfect. Also don't forget Kenny looks a player in Germany right now and he can slot straight in at right back without the need to replace Sidibe or Coleman. Sidibe could be a good player if he has a run of games in the side. Terrible against Norwich and Liverpool, but did well against Leicester.

The whole team is ripped apart on the counter. Simple diagonal balls over the top leave us flat footed and the opposition to run through and score 1 on 1 with Pickford. That is certainly something most managers can fix very easily, it will just nullify a bit of our attacking threat, which is a problem when we have struggled to score.

Trevor Peers
176 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:54:49
No one wants Davy back, but compared to Silva he was a tactical genius with a glint of steel in his eye. Whereas Silva is little puppy with a glint of marshmallow in his.
Steve Ferns
177 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:58:33
Jordan Pickford now has 34 official saves compared with the 27 goals he has conceded. That's 1.25:1 and frankly it's not good enough.
Jay Harris
178 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:59:19
We are a club divided from top to bottom. Somebody just needs to make a decision and lets hope its not Moyes.

Apparently Bill has Moyes all set to go with terms and everything agreed but Moshiri is holding out and is yet to be convinced.

Pochettinho was approached but he is waiting for the United job and Gallardo is being tempted by Arsenal bur Everton are still trying with him.

Also Brands and Ryantesic or whatever his name is were at each others throats at HT last night.

Now as with everything this is hearsay and subject to change but I trust the guy who told me.

Personally I don't know why Ancellotti is not in the conversation. He would be ideal IMO.

Steve Ferns
179 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:00:13
Enjoy it whilst you can, it'll become a ghost town once Moyes is appointed. That's if Michael doesn't give up on us as well.
Paul Tran
180 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:01:22
Steve, Pickfords a good instinctive shot-stopper, but dreadful when he has time to think. And he strikes me as a very nervous young man who tries to appear confident. Not my kind of keeper.
Dave Ganley
181 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:17
What is the point of Brands if kenwright is allegedly pushing for Moyes? Genuine question. Brands appears to be the only football person on the board so if his opinion is ignored then we really are in deep shit, or should I say deeper than we already are. Can't see Brands advocating Moyes
Derek Knox
182 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:46
Jeff @ 166, glad TW has preserved your sanity, at least we know there's at least one on the Site, most of the rest of us are in the Rubber Room, straight-jacketed and on extremely strong X-rated medication. 😂🤔👓🥼
Alan Bodell
183 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:54
Steve, I love your stuff but does Moshiri have endless funds ? and the contracts this bunch are on it'll be impossible to unload the unwanted, dark days mate.
James Marshall
184 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:56
I agree Trevor - I don't want Moyes but I didn't want Allardyce either and he kept us well & truly out of the shit, regardless of what we all thought of him as a bloke and as a manager.

All that really matters is we don't go down.

For the record, I don't think we'll go down, despite our current league position. There's a very long way to go, and barely a handful of points between us and the top 10.

Everton don't appear to be in a position to stick with Silva, and they don't appear to be in a position to appoint a permanent manager overnight, so it looks like we're getting Moyes. He's available and will sing the tune Kenwright wants so it makes sense (for the powers that be). He's also still good friends with Kenwright so don't be surprised if it happens.

Jim Harrison
185 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:03:33
Just by the way of balance, Sunderland were screwed anyway. He did keep a flat lining West Ham team up and their current boss, who has had a bit of cash to spend, basically saved his job last week.

If Moyes did come back in, surely the best thing would be to get behind the team? If he’s shore he will still most likely to not be so shite he takes us down. Again, Sunderland were doomed, a squad full of old money grabbers and piss heads. West Ham were right up shit creek.

If he comes in and the fans turn Goodison hostile it will send us down just as sure as Marco will if he doesn’t go. But if we can get a bump from having a new manager and get a few better results together at least there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

I will now duck and cover x

Jer Kiernan
186 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:04:39
Or we could appoint an up and coming manager who has battled up from 91st in the league to top fligtht without a pot to piss in( and not once complained or made a deal about it either Davey) with small club including 17 points deductions and transfer bans (jeez makes us look like Bayern Munich ffs)

A guy who will work with our younger players play attacking high octane football, will be at FF at 6am every morning busting a gut to succeed AND WANTS to be our manager

Eddies the man lads he deserves his chance has served his apprentiship will have our players bombing forward and looking UP the table

No dinasaurs or money grabbers please

@Paul 179

How many 20+million players has he bought ? few if any , in this league anything less you are buying other peoples problems

I hope you are not going to quote the "net" spend over 5 years as is not a proper indicator I am afraid, his spend is minimal, Plus how many Top star players want to come to play in B/mouth ?

Paul Tran
187 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:07:06
Jer, have you ever actually looked at how much Howe has spent?
Jay Woods
188 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:08:22
I got some nice new razor blades in the post here in Latvia today, sent by my father back home in the UK. I hope it's not some kind of sign, you know, to get my wrists ready should the club be insane enough to appoint Moyes or Unsworth the Unworthy.
James Marshall
189 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:08:33
Jer Kiernan - are you actually Eddie Howe? Or his agent?

Maybe you're his wife?

Eddie Howe's Bournemouth are shite.

Iain Latchford
190 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:10:01
Jer, we know Eddie is your man and that's fine. However (as Paul says) please stop perpetuating the myth that he hasn't had any money. It's simply not true.
Derek Knox
191 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:12:31
Jer, @ 178, by my calculations that is the 157th post you have put Eddie's name forward, I guess you fancy him then, (not in a man-crush way) but if it was between Eddie and ET, I'd have a man-crush on Eddie too! :-)
Eugene Ruane
192 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:12:45

"Derby humiliation triggers fresh Moyes speculation."

Me seeing the words 'fresh' and 'Moyes' in the same sentence..

Link

Jer Kiernan
193 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:17:13
@James 181
I noted you had gone quiet from your earlier posts when you were spouting out condesending tripe about Eddie NOT BEING AVAILABLE and how we need Rafa

Well as I corrected you on above, there is a clause so Eddie is available as long as we don't tap him up, and Steve corrected you on Rafa NOT being avail, I was going to ask you not to be so condesending in future especially when you are in the WRONG, ,

For your suggestiong the fat spainish waiter, ( hasbeen money grabber) would cost a BOMB to bring that RS loser to our club

Also to note IF I was Eddie wife ? Surely I would be arguin AGAINST him managing Everton as the shopping/salons etc in the North are just awful xxx

If Eddies Bmouth are shite ( something most people who know football aknowledge what a great job he has done there ) what is Rafas mid table Chinese team like can you even name them ? ( hurry google it )

I am wasting my energies even replying

@Derek

Eddies a good looking dude if i was so inclined ;) but I would gladly take Peter Beardsley over the pair of hasbeens we are being spoonfed ( and lapped up by some) by the media

Paul Tran
194 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:18:41
What's your definition of no money, Jer?
Derek Knox
195 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:18:54
Eugene @ 184, good to see you back, you have been extremely conspicuous by your absence! 😋
Jer Kiernan
196 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:22:54
@Paul & Ian
I am going to flip that on its head if you don't mind , You folks can tell me how much Eddie has spent please ?

All I have heard is the 5 year net spend hurriedly grabbed from transfermrkt.com ( note it is not a reflective stat )

If we appoint Eddie the whole club will unite behind hiim and we will as a club be looking UP the table , Either of the other 2 hasbeens and its 4th from bottom or bust for me

Eddie Dunn
197 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:26:36
Just seen Neil Warnock at Lime St. Got to be better than Moyes.
Iain Latchford
198 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:31:22
Jer, no one thinks Howe hasn't done a good job at Bournemouth.

Some managers, like players, can get to a certain level. However they don't all make the next step to the "big time" which is where we are trying to go. Howe has had 4 seasons in the Premier League now. He's had money and time to build "his team". The result is that they a very average, leak goals, and finish on around 45 points every year. If they were consistently getting in the top 8, I think this would put him in the frame. However, as it stands we'd be appointing a manager who has won nothing, goes out of the cups early, has never managed a big team, finished in the bottom half etc etc.

Not good enough.

Sandra Williams
199 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:31:46
I can just imagine the scene: A suited and booted Silva sits in the plush waiting room, with a small metal suitcase at his feet, handle upright for a quick getaway. He looks 10 years older than when he was spirited away from the powerhouse that is Watford FC, to join The People's Club in 2018. A new era was upon us, the Everton Board had 'got their man' even if the saga had lasted longer than the one that surrounded 'Who Shot JR' and they'd paid a King's ransom to secure his signature! It would all be worth it!! We bought new players, we won a few games, we had hopes and dreams again (although not everyone was on board). But "let's give him time for God's sake!" Fast forward to Season 19/20 and it's all unravelling quicker than a £2.50 mock cashmere Primark jumper. And finally it's now come to this, a summons to the Boardroom. Moshiri's overworked secretary answers the phone at her desk in the waiting room, "Yes Lord Moshiri" and puts the phone down. "You can go through to the Boardroom now" she says to the soon-to-be sacked Silva. He goes through the dreaded mahogany door and he knows what's coming. He IS going to be fired. Out of the corner of his eye he catches a glimpse of 'someone' with ginger hair who has a box of shortbread in his hand, and a small metal suitcase. Surely not?!!! A new era is about to begin. God help and bless us all. (but at least Tiny Tim may be close behind) And it IS nearly Christmas! Exit stage left.
Paul Cherrington
200 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:44:47
I hope we do get Moyes in and the sooner the better. At least the players will be expected to put a shift in and not be allowed to shirk every game like so many of them do now.

I can't wait to see him back on the touchline with Tim bellowing at them to get working and actually putting some passion back into our play.

Paul Tran
201 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:44:50
Jer, he's spent over £150m in the last two years and his teams have a horrible habit of leaking goals and losing games.

The only PL manager who doesn't have a pot to piss in is Dyche, who has got his team into Europe.

Neither would be my first choice, both could be better at bigger clubs, but I'm struggling to see what's so compelling about Howe.

James Marshall
202 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:49:30
Jer - please stop referring to him by his christian name. You sound like them lot over the road.

I'm not on here to argue the toss with you, a stranger on the Internet. I gave that up long ago.

If I appear condescending it's merely in response to your constant banging the same drum over and over again. Eddie Howe is in my view, yet another mid-table manager. The same lower level standard we've been going for over the years. It gets us nowhere. Repeating the same mistakes over and over again, no thanks.

Do I know the ins & outs of his contract? No. Same for Benitez? No. I do know he's the manager of Dalian Yifan (you can quote me on this as I posted about his club situation 3 or 4 days ago on here) so no, I don't need to look it up.

I tell you what though, you're very welcome to your opinion on Howe, but please stop trying to ram it down everyone's throat. It is after all, only an opinion.

Rob Dolby
203 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:50:36
Regardless who the manager is we need to buy 2 proper centre mids who can get stuck in and defend.

Drinkwater and lundstram type battlers. This team hasn't got any backbone.

I would rather pick Bielsa, Howe, The Milkman, Window cleaner or Paul OGrady than bring back that absolute bstard that is Moyes.

Jer Kiernan
204 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:51:45
Paul @192,

Can you provide a link to above stats regard £150M in 2 seasons? As I said before, Paul, if we can get Pochettino or Simeone, I am happy to shut the fuck up.

But unfortunately what has me screaming from the rooftops regarding Eddie Howe is the knowledge that we would be exactly where we are today... with Silva out and the Moyes/Benitez horror show being lined up. And some fans lapping it up.

After 30+ years, this club tends to become very predictable

Paul Tran
205 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:54:43
I had a quick look on Transfermarkt, Jer. It lists season by season transfer dealings.

Howe did a wonderful job getting Bournemouth to the Premier League on a low budget, then the Russian guy took over the club and he's had plenty of money to spend. Not as much as our managers, but still a decent pot.

Paul Tran
206 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:56:18
Alan Myers has just tweeted that Moshiri has asked the players to stay behind today so he can address them. Hope he gives them both barrels!
Ajay Gopal
207 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:56:22
I am on the ABM (Anyone But Moyes) bandwagon. If Brands decides on Howe, then so be it! He may not be the best manager around, but he will surely bring a lot of passion to his role.

I had actually advocated Eddie for the Manager's position after Allardyce, but Steve had convinced me that Silva was the better choice (sorry, Steve :-), to twist the knife).

Bill Gall
208 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:57:42
Just come in flash news: Moyes will be taking over — fortunately it is to take over the tea lady's job as she is taking over as manager.
James Marshall
209 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:58:30
Paul@197

FAKE NEWS!

Everybody knows we don't do any training.

Joe Corgan
210 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:59:28
Can I still put a £1,000 on Silva as the next Premier League manager to be sacked at 1/18 with Betfair? Make £180 profit? :)
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

211 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:00:24
OK. A show of hands.

How many have multiple links open, refreshing them every minute, hoping beyond hope to see a 'Breaking News' headline on the burning subject of the day.

Everton, that.

Paul Tran
212 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:01:42
Didn't mention traing, James. It's a given we don't do that.
John Raftery
213 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:02:12
Players kept in detention! Reminds me of school.
Maybe Moshiri is taking personal charge of team affairs.
Joe Corgan
214 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:02:46
So Kenwright arrived at Finch Farm and the players have left? SSN.
Iain Latchford
215 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:05:20
I hope Bill didn't have Moyes in the boot of his car.
Mick Davies
216 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:05:27
I haven't had a chance to read all the above posts, so apologies if this has been said, but if Moyes is appointed, what can he do that he couldn't do with Sunderland?

When he arrived in 2002, he was a young, hungry manager and the crowd were 100% behind him: that will be impossible now. Also, that side was packed with battlers in the Reidy mould, who were pissed off with dour Walter and his negativity. The team just needed a boost and a bit of organisation.

Fast-forward 17 years, and can you honestly name one battler who looks willing to die for the cause? No, this side is reminiscent (though more expensive) of the Sunderland team that Moyes couldn't motivate and inspire – and don't forget, he inherited the Premier League Champions and destroyed that team.

I, like many on here, will give up if Moyes comes back in ANY capacity, and coupled with Kenwright, it will finally be the push to make me take an interest in something other than EFC, almost 52 years to the day since I first entered Goodison as a 9-year-old fanatic.

In my time, I've seen Everton slip from the top of the all-time table, to 4th. With the likes of Chelsea and Man City looking strong for the future, we will probably drop even further down in the coming years.

And it's all to do with the culture of this rotten club, including us, the fans. We've had more to get angry about than any other club's fans, from failed ground moves, broken promises, inadequate managerial appointments, ban from Europe etc... But have we had an eruption of protest similar to the Swales Out campaign, or even a march as powerful as our neighbours have had, with less reason to be angry than us? No, just a few kippers being chastised by the majority, and an aeroplane banner.

Seeing the shambles today (now 4 pm) — with the owner being at Finch Farm for hours while waiting for the players to finish training!!!! — is making us an even bigger laughing stock.

Spurs and Arsenal both sacked their managers this week without this ridiculous circus, but as usual, everything, including transfers, are long drawn out sagas with that smarmy B-rate actor pulling the strings — he is like a virus here; until his disastrous tenure is ended, Everton FC will continue to be an embarrassment for its loyal followers.

Joe Corgan
217 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:05:30
When Pochettino and Emery were sacked it seems like it just happened. Why does it feel like we’re really drawing this out?

SSN even followed Moshiri from Runcorn station.

Derek Knox
218 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:07:05
Just seen a large Manure Wagon at Finch Farm, not sure if he was Delivering or Collecting! 😂
Ryan Holroyd
219 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:13:45
I think Silva is staying as manager for the time being. There would be been an announcement by now you'd have thought.
Gary Goodwin
220 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:16:45
Thinking of our situation in musical terms, I can't decide whether we're on the Road To Nowhere or the Highway To Hell.
John P McFarlane
221 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:21:38
Allegedly, David Moyes entered Finch Farm early this morning disguised in brown overalls. Moshiri spotted him and asked him if he was the new caretaker?

"Aye, boss, I cannae wait to get started." replied Moyes.

"Very good," said Moshiri, "Get yourself a mop and bucket and clear the mess up in the main lobby."

Steve Ferns
222 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:21:48
Joe, Pochettino didn't "just happen". They were 9 days into an international break. They should have sacked him immediately. They waited until it was signed and sealed with Mourinho then sacked him. Mourinho also told the Lyon owner he had accepted another job weeks before it happened. So, that took time.

Emery has been going on for ages. The fans had banners and protests. The board stuttered as much, if not more, than our board has. They have also not appointed another manager and are doing what we did when we got rid of Koeman.

Moshiri clearly had his fingers burnt with Unsworth and wants to be more Tottenham. Perhaps he will follow that exactly waiting to sack Silva late at night, then announce a new guy at breakfast.

Where is Brands? Is he not about because he is with the new manager? If so, that could be a good sign, a sign that it is not Moyes. Clutching at straws but I'm hoping against hope here that it is anyone but Moyes.

Let's be patient here. This needs to be done right and not rushed.

Jamie Crowley
223 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:23:36
Genuine question -

Why, from a business perspective, would the Board appoint David Moyes and incur a hefty outlay, when they can promote David Unsworth as Caretaker?

Say whatever you want about Unsworth, he's absolutely not any worse than Moyes!!

I can not believe we haven't fired Marco Silva yet! It screams cowardice and indecision from Everton FC. Embarrassing.

James Marshall
224 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:23:57
For anyone clamouring for the saviour, Eddie Howe to become our next manager, here's a stat for you. Only 3 teams have lost more games than Everton (15) since January: Brighton (18), Watford (17), and Bournemouth (16).

Just because he supported us once doesn't mean he's any good. His team leaks goals and loses games. He's actually a perfect fit now I come to think about it.

Paul Tran
225 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:25:19
Agreed Steve. Also easier for a London-based Champions League club with a new stadium to move quickly when a London-based Champions League winning manager comes available!
Jamie Crowley
226 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:25:55
Steve Ferns -

I fully understand your call for patience, and I appreciate it. You're correct - we have to be patient and get this right.

But I've been patient since the Villa game! 😜

Derek Knox
227 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:26:34
Ryan @ 210, personally I don't think they can give Silva more time, he looks like he has little left in his tank, if results go for other teams around us, and let's face it, we won't get many points off our next few games, especially with him.

What happens hypothetically in that scenario, keeping Silva on for a few more games, we would be reaching the point of no return, and even the best Manager in the World could not get enough out of the remaining games to survive.

He simply has to go!

Oliver Molloy
228 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:29:32
Whoever they decide on had better know what the fuck they are doing and get a huge reaction from this group of players, because we are in serious trouble.
John Pierce
229 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:29:57
Pickford, getting some stick today. There’s some truth in the points people are putting forward. I’d offer that the system Marco has employed gives up remarkably few shots yet when we do it’s a grade A chance.

It’s no surprise he’s had to make saves but has still given up a lot of goals. Last night is a great example. Many feel he should have done better for a number of the goals? He faced five shots on target where the striker was not impeded in anyway, under zero pressure from a defender. Is it really a surprise they took all of those chances?

Go back as far as the opening day. Palace were kept at arms length for all but five minutes of that game and in that time they had two clean 1v1 situations.

The clues were there. Have the players underperformed, damn right. I’d ask how much the set up has exposed them?

Based on the quality of chance we give up, I’d say it’s the tactical set up which is culpable.

Now then, who’s ready for a gunfight?

Steve Ferns
230 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:32:50
Silva will not be in charge after the Chelsea game, everyone knows that, and Silva knows that. If by sheer congestion of fixtures he stays on for Chelsea, then it's only a stay of execution. There's no way he will still there after that game when we then have 7 days until the next game. I can't believe Moshiri would allow Silva to face the wrath of the crowd on Saturday either, that is cruel. 99% of us will get our first wish. so be pleased with that.

Second, and this is surely the most important point, the overwhelming majority of posters on here are desperate, and I don't think that's too strong a word, that it is not Moyes. So if it is not Moyes, then we need to be patient.

We don't need to wait until summer though. If Moshiri wants to go the Benitez route then he needs to wait only 2-3 weeks for him to start, as the Chinese season finishes very soon. If it's Gallardo, his season just finished and we need to act now before MLS clubs (Inter Miami) make him a good offer (that we should easily beat), if it's Marcelino then we are in direct competition with Arsenal. If it's a manager in a job then yes, that will take a lot more time as the Koeman fiasco taught us.

Kim Vivian
231 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:33:18
I can't believe the deafening silence from the club. 4:30pm now, nothing said and it's Friday tomorrow.

Looks like Silva will be in charge on Saturday for the final nail, and it's on TV. Someone do something or say something... please!

The whole thing is becoming barbaric.

Derek Knox
232 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:35:15
John P McFarlane, I heard another version of a similar story, where Moyes replied to Moshiri "Phone home"!
James Marshall
233 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:35:42
Steve - the Chinese season is over. Benitez could be available if we pay the release clause. Assuming his club are happy to play ball and he's up for it.
Brian Wilkinson
234 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:37:39
Whatever happens today, I hope with the players being asked to stay behind after training, that Moshi lays into them as well.

Silva has to go, but the players will still be here, if you discount Unsworth that’s 4 Managers now trying to get a tune out of these players, most gutless and happy to pick up a wage.

Some of these players need to take a damn good look at themselves.

James Marshall
235 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:43:25
So, while we're all waiting around to see our manager get sacked, the day after getting utterly twatted by the RS, Everton think this is a good idea to put out notification of our FA Cup game being on the telly.

Against the fucking RS.

Great idea. Well done everyone.

Jer Kiernan
236 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:43:57
James @216,

I love the "since January" talk about doctoring the stats to suit your arguement. As discussed above, we would be appointing Eddie on the work he has done consistently over the last 9 years in football.

The reason him being a Blue is relevant is that he would want to be here, unlike your suggestion. (When will ever get over being the subservient lapdogs of our neighbours?)

Ex-Liverpool Rafa Benitez, who abandoned his family to go and live in 1984 – only for money, no other reason... just after he had got Newcastle relegated then nearly relegated a 2nd time.

He will cost a bomb; why would he come to a "small club" anyway... but only for money.

Can you imagine if Rafa came here, as you wish, and lost 9 on the spin, as he often did with Newcastle, and a derby in the FA Cup??? Have you thought this through? I sincerely doubt you have!!

How you can even suggest such a thing is baffling to me... but each to their own.

Robin Cannon
237 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:45:14
We've got ourselves into a worse situation now than when we prematurely panicked and hired Allardyce "to keep us up".

A mediocre, short-term hire does nothing. Even if it "keeps us up" (impossible to tell), it just leaves us in limbo in the close season.

Any move we make to genuinely push forward requires us to take a big risk.

Any "safe" appointment we make is, to me, just guaranteeing long term mediocrity.

Derek Knox
238 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:17
Why the fuck does Dermot Gallagher appear on Sky attempting to clear up referee's overlooked errors? This guy has more splinters in his arse than a Country Bumpkin.

How his nose has never grown is beyond me!

Mike Benjamin
239 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:40
James #227. That’s because the BBC announced it. Christ some will pick a fight over anything!
James Marshall
240 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:11
Jer - I didn't doctor the stat, it just happened to appear on Twitter so I quoted it. It's just another reason not to employ another mid-table manager. I prefer a proven winner with a track record of putting a structure in place that works - whether that be Benitez or someone else, I don't have a favourite.

As an aside, Benitez hands were severely tied at Newcastle, and everyone knows it. If I was offered £20m to go to China for a few years I'd go as well. Maybe you're a better man than me if you'd turn it down to stay in Liverpool earning fuck all!

Let's just agree to disagree because this is going round in circles.

James Marshall
241 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:58
Mike@231 - it's on the official Everton Twitter feed. That's where I read it. Everton announced it.
John Kavanagh
242 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:07
I hope Brands is busy trying to get Gallardo. A proven winner and he might encourage a couple of South American hard men to join him and put some backbone in the team.

Risky, but in my view Moyes, especially after what he did with Sunderland, is a far bigger risk. His stats post Everton don't lie. Moyes would hardly be welcomed by the majority of supporters and we need someone we can all get behind to turn Goodison into a fortress again.

Tick tock five o'clock and not a whisper.

Beggars belief.

Mark Guglielmo
243 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:30
Here is what I hope has been happening while so many people declare things as happening (that haven't actually happened yet).

1. Brands did/does have a plan to replace Silva, but it was going to be over the summer based on moderate confidence that Silva would get us there, as well as trying to break the chain of knee-jerk hire > sack > hire > sack that has become the norm in the Moshiri era.
2. The dire results, the media pressure, the very clear supporter uproar, have forced him to move his timeline up by 6 months.
3. Instead of sounding out quality to prepare for the summer, he's been talking reason to Moshiri and keeping Kenwright's evil whispering at bay, while at the same time doing his best to talk one of his top choices to come in now, instead of May.

This is my hope, and as I write it, it does seems plausible to me, so now I hope as a calculated, methodical football man (by all accounts), he is successful at doing so. If the situation dictates that Kenwright & Moshiri overrule him, we'll know the second the replacement is named.

C'mon Brands!

John Pierce
244 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:45
Cahill thrown on to the bottom half of the ticket to appease some of the fanbase, partly to neutralize the Davey haters and second to make everyone think he’s being groomed to succeed Ginger Spice.

Classic American politicking.

#bootroom

Tony Abrahams
245 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:01:21
If I had the time Derek, I would be able to make a fool out of this man, this programe and therefore football and the agenda it currently has. Watch Dermot, contradict the views he had today, with the views he has in the next few weeks, I’d bet my house on it.
Conor McCourt
246 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:01:47
You can see how disgusted this club has got us last night and for most of this season.

Me personally I'm livid and it's nothing to do with last night;

I'm livid because the manager should have been sacked after the Norwich game when all above had lost faith

I'm livid because we have just thrown away two games for no reason when the club don't retain the faith of the manager

I'm livid because taking emotion away we have a terrible four game run where our best chance of getting 3 points is Saturday and they are fucking about with the manager situation now rather than concentrating on our opponents hence another 3 points tossed away. In the cold light of day we lost the 2 most difficult fixtures of the season this is our chance for points.

I'm livid because we are going to panic and appoint someone to save us from relegation when we need to be brave and appoint Arteta.

Im livid because our owner, DOF and players are more concerned with bullshitting the fans than ownership of their contribution to this mess.

Don't make me even more livid by bringing back Moyes

John Pierce
247 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:09:17
Mark, I could get onboard with that line of events, my fly in the ointment would be if Brands was truly on it he would have seen the signs last season and have a plan for it going tits up.

That’s were I'm fairly unimpressed with him. He really should be experienced enough to fear the worst and game it from there.

You’d think if he wants his appointment then he’d have something in his back pocket to a) make the transition quick/painless and b) show Moshiri he has all the bases covered and he could wave his choice through.

I agree with Steve, Everton should hold their nerve, Davey ain’t going anywhere, so speak to Benetiz or Gallardo, sack Silva and let an interim have it for two/three weeks.

It’s solves the Silva issue, gives the fans a team they can get behind in the very short term and hopefully buys them time to do a better deal.

If it all falls through Davey will still be there.

Mark Guglielmo
248 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:23:11
Steve @61 I had to re-read your comment to make sure I wasn't seeing something that wasn't there. Are you saying the players are at fault as much, or moreso than Silva? I saw you mention "...and make Kean score" as if not giving him a true run to settle in and feel less pressure was his fault and not Silva's. You're talking about how even Moyes won't get anything out of these players, but who's picking the lineups, the formations, creating & deploying the on-field tactics, running training, etc? While I don't want Moyes in the least, it's somewhat naive to think that a different manager won't get different things out of the players we have.

Other amusing thoughts in this thread:
* it's Brands fault we have weak-minded/fragile players (as if he gives them a psych profile during the negotiation process lol)
* it's Brands fault he didn...oh forget it
* we should get Diego Simeone (oh this is rich)
* Eddie Howe hasn't spent any money (here you go, Jer, since you're too arsed to look it up yourself)
* I know I'm a newer fan, but can someone tell me the last time a team was relegated in December?

COYB

Paul Tran
249 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:26:40
You're a brave man, Mark, and a correct one!
Jamie Crowley
250 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:35:54
Back in August I had said we needed to collect points early.

The same applies for Spring. And it's a problem no one is looking ahead.

We have a run of 4 -5 games in the Spring that are deadly. It's from the end of February through the first week of April:

Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Norwich (cough-cough) and Leicester.

We need to bring in a new man now. We can't wait. The new fella will need time to implement his system, and we simply can not drop points between now and March. If we do, those run of fixtures coming up in the Spring are the death toll for Everton.

We need to be on 30 points before February 22nd, 2020 minimally. In order to do that, the new manager should be cutting his teeth and implementing his system NOW so he can get the players up to speed to maximize points AFTER this horror schedule.

Can no one else see this?? Any change must occur now, even a caretaker in the event the caretaker is on longer than expected, to maximize points in January and February before it's well and truly too late!

Jim Wilson
251 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:35:57
It should be Ancelotti or Pochettino if we think big.

If not I agree with Jer Kiernan. Howe has to be better than Silva and he genuinely loves Everton.

Get it done

Joe Corgan
252 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:40:43
Steve 220 - Thanks, I’m well aware of all that.

What I meant, and I thought this was quite clear, is that when Spurs and Arsenal got rid of their managers they released a statement and it was done. They didn’t have have rolling coverage of the movements of their board members in the run-up.

Jer Kiernan
253 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:43:24
@Mark 246
Thanks for going to all that effort but I had looked at that site already previously quite a bit, and can pull any stat out of my arse to win any arguement,, surely if we all on TW havent learned that from this tabacle than what have we learned ?

Example bmouth rating in "most effective "buyers they are above Arse/City/Spurs /Man U/EFC of course so please stats are for me the last hiding place of somebody who is losing an arguement so I try avoid (see politics)

Having seen stats up till last week that told me Silva is doing great job and DCL is top class ??? When it comes to stats Mark "Silence is Golden, But my EYES stilll see ;) "

His net spend last season was 20mil ? are you for real ? this is "spending" in PL terms ? How "new " a fan are you last season is it, last week ??? Ask any of the posters on here who have been "watching" the game for over 30+ years what they think of "stats" and stand back and be prepared to be blasted

Anybody who knows the game and indeed has managed/worked IN the game say Eddie has done a miraculous job at Bmouth and deserves a crack at big club, Roy Hodgson PL elder statesman was saying it only last week


Stats /Smats !!

Mark Guglielmo
254 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:48:52
Jer, my man, the point is that they've spent ~£200m in the past 4. Forget net spend, or apply it to what we've spent too. Yes, we've spent more. It's questionable if they've spent wisely. Last 4 table finishes 16th, 9th, 12th & 14th would have been better, no?

Would he do better with the deep pockets of Moshiri's? No one knows, but IMO giving someone so much credit for making a bad team an average team is just ridiculous. It's like the Benitez shouts because he prevented Newcastle from being relegated. Such a low bar...

John Pierce
255 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:58:28
Jamie, I posted something similar on the Gallardo thread. Looking ahead if we need the points we aint getting them in April.

We have seven very winnable home games, we need to get those in the bag and that should be enough with a point or so away from home.

But it’s gonna be tight this year regardless.

Jer Kiernan
256 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:01:40
Mark @252,

You do see what I am saying, though: stats are in the eye of the beholder,

Just one point which I believe is relevant: He didn't make a bad team average. He took a team (aged 29) in Administration, 17 points deduction, transfer bans, bailiffs at the training grounds, and took them from 91st in the league to sustained positioning at the "top table" of world football.

This is the type of character I want in the dugout. I am going to back off though (falling on deaf ears etc). It looks like we are going to do the usual and revert to Moyes or FSW.

I am taking up pottery!!

Mark Guglielmo
257 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:04:40
I do get what you're saying, mate. You have to back your man, and do it with conviction, otherwise why bother, right?

I don't know if we can get my man (men?), so I'm just waiting to see what happens. I'm very interested in Arteta, Gallardo, Marcelino, and I don't put anything into the "risky" objection. A team in 18th is risky for any manager regardless.

John Pierce
258 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:06:50
Mark, you want the three Amigos to manage Everton?!
Mark Guglielmo
259 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:12:20
LOL!

Brands: I have put many beautiful managers in the storeroom, each of them filled with little surprises.
Moshiri: Many managers?
Brands: Oh yes, many!
Moshiri: Would you say I have a plethora of managers?
Brands: A what?
Moshiri: A *plethora*.
Brands: Oh yes, you have a plethora.
Moshiri: Marcel, what is a plethora?
Brands: Why, Farhad?
Moshiri: Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.
Brands: Forgive me, Farhad. I know that I, Marcel, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at Bill, and are looking to take it out on me?

*takes bow*

:-D

Jer Kiernan
260 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:17:48
Mark @257,

I am open to all 3 of your suggestions over feckin Laurel and Hardy any day!!

Paul Tran
261 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:21:26
Jer, make your your pot is big enough to piss in!
John Kavanagh
262 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:26:08
Tick tock six o'clock and not a word.

I heard that some of the delay today was because Schneiderlin went pick up Moshiri at the station. The 5mph speed was allowed for but not the three wrong turns into blind alleys. They eventually had to send Fabien Delph out on his mobility scooter to collect him.

James Marshall
263 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:27:47
Anyone else starting to feel as though Hi-Ho (Silva) is about to get a stay of execution? I read that Brands is holding things up because he wants Magic Marco to be given more time...
Jer Kiernan
264 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:29:25
@Paul 259
Touche ;)

At least both my shrink and my Cardiologist will be glad to hear I have finally hung up my blue scarf !!

Paul Tran
265 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:32:11
No escape, Jer, it's a life sentence!

If it is Howe (if anyone?), it'll be a gamble that at a bigger club with proper expectations, he can organise a defence and keep his attacking style. That's a big if - and happy days if he can.

Mark Guglielmo
266 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:35:41
James @262 I believe he is getting a stay, but the way you phrase "Brands wants Magic Marco to be given more time" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Brands isn't an idiot and there's nothing to suggest he is.

If anything he's being pragmatic in order to allow the change to be a seamless one. Announce fire > announce hire in the same week. And he's doing it to avoid a garbage appointment that will only perpetuate the shitstorm around the Club (aka a Moyes or such). My $.02.

It may not be a fair way to do things to Marco, but honestly, even IF he's 100% aware that he's being fired, why would he truly care? He'll get a check for about £4m, so he'll get over it.

James Marshall
267 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:37:53
Mark - sure, that's a fair point. I used a line read online but your description is likely closer to the truth.
Mark Guglielmo
268 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:42:28
James, I could also be fighting someone off for the last life preserver, haha!
Steve Ferns
269 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:13:00
There’s your news. Better not be Moyes. Not even for a day.
Jay Harris
270 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:18:06
He is gone.

Feel sorry for the bloke but he wasnt the right calibre from day one.

John Kavanagh
271 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:21:46
At long, long last. But please God NOT Moyes. Not for a minute. Not for a second.

Someone now has a whole day to speak to the squad, oversee training and select a winning team following a complete thrashing.

Piece of cake as Basil Fawlty would say.

Dale Rose
272 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:23:07
I'd give Rhino and Cahill a go. They couldn't be worse than the last two twats. They know and love the club, and aren't the usual foreign mercenaries.

I can't see Moshiri putting up with this shit for much longer.

Conor McCourt
273 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:26:41
Fuck me it's really going to happen..what a shower of incompetent arseholes
John Kavanagh
274 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:46:28
Duncan Ferguson in charge for Saturday pending a permanent appointment according to club statement. So fingers crossed no Moyes.

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