Silva was reportedly on the brink of being sacked after overseeing his side's eighth defeat in the last 11 Premier League games and both The Guardian and the Daily Mail were reporting in the aftermath that Moyes is waiting in the wings to rejoin his former club, with Tim Cahill being considered as his assistant.
neither Farhad Moshiri nor his boardroom representative Sasha Ryazantsev not in attendance at Anfield, the media briefing is thought to have come from Bill Kenwright's camp, further evidence perhaps of continuing disagreement among the hierarchy over how to proceed.
According to The Athletic, the board members will convene over conference call this morning to decide on whether or not Silva should continue as manager and, if not, who should replace him.
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1 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:40:11
2 Posted 05/12/2019 at 06:55:13
3 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:11:31
4 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:13:14
5 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:14:51
This is what I feel again, if the Board are that short-sighted, unimaginative and irresponsible to allow Moyes back, even on a temporary basis.
Yes he knows the Club, knows Kenwright, there lies the root of the problem!
Besides, I don't believe that Tim Cahill, although he is believed to be working at Finch Farm towards getting his necessary Coaching Badges, hasn't yet achieved the necessary grade to act even in the capacity of Assistant.
I also believe it would tarnish Tim's long standing relationship with the fans who genuinely love the guy.
6 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:16:02
You do realise though that Moyes built his defence last time around characters and leaders of men like Nigel Martyn, Alan Stubbs, Davie Weir, and later Joleon Lescott, Phil Jagielka and Sylvain Distin?
Im not sure hes got an awful lot better now at the back than what he had when he was relegated with Sunderland, infact hes actually got the same jumpy bastard in goal that went down with him at the Mackems in 2017.
For me, it wont work bringing Moyes back with this crop of players, theres no harmony there or real heart in the shirt like with the squads that he worked with between 2002-2013.
I can only see this season ending in the disaster of relegation.
7 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:20:20
We'd be better off digging up a random corpse and propping that up in the dugout... since Moyes looks half-decomposed anyway, you wouldn't even know the difference.
8 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:22:19
Kenwright knows enough Shakespearean intrigue to pull this off. It will be his greatest production yet. Iago would be proud of him.
9 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:28:56
I'd be all in for Poch ASAP or Mancini in the summer. Otherwise if Silva fails to meet target another short-term manager for rest of the season. Happy for that to be Unsworth if needs, Moyes, Emery, Hiddink whoever..
Sometimes a change sparks a short term improvement and we need positive change ASAP.
10 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:34:23
Let's face it mate, I know there is a diversity of opinions between us fans, but I believe generally sifting through those diverse opinions and suggestions that they are far more savvy than our present Board and leadership(?).
In the beginning I can't recall many shouting for Silva and hailing it as a success, at the start of his tenure. Okay Steve Ferns has always defended Silva and championed his appointment, and I admire Steve in many ways for that, even though the majority were against it, but I can't help feeling Steve has been totally let down too, and his loyalty misplaced.
Getting back to Moyes, I can't help but feel that if the Board do knee-jerkingly appoint him, it not only shows that Kenwright still is getting his own way, a 5% shareholder swaying the Board, is akin to the tail wagging the dog!
11 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:36:36
12 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:37:33
Well if one of the deals is winning the FA Cup tie then you might as well just pack poor Marcos bags now.
Theres no way on this planet that we are going to beat them, they could send their womens team or Under 11s side out and theyd still beat us there, they just dont know how to lose derbies and we dont know how to win them, perfect combination for those in red.
My guess is the nightmare will be complete by the imminent sacking of Silva just to replace him with Moyes and our eventual relegation, if it does happen in May then this club and group of failure players deserve it, so I wont argue.
13 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:43:11
Moshiri wanted Silva and moved heaven and earth to get him, despite his poor record. We flirted with a relegation battle last year and now we're well and truly in one.
Kenwright isn't the bogey man here. Brands and Silva are responsible for sending us into a season with a squad of players that aren't good enough for this league. Moshiri is responsible for bringing in a manager who is not up to managing in this league, and failing to sack him last January at the earliest and two weeks ago at the latest.
We've made all the wrong moves since Moshiri took control. The parallels with Villa under Lerner are clear to see. Some time in the wilderness of the Championship beckons.
14 Posted 05/12/2019 at 07:52:25
15 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:01:18
"Leeds & Aston villa"
Can pretty much guarantee we are next
16 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:01:44
17 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:09:19
My advice is look around for hard nosed seasoned Premier League pros on loan until May, get them in and tell them to keep this club in the league (ala Kevin Campbell 1999).
No more fancy shots in the dark on unknown players from leagues unknown.
18 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:10:14
19 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:14:33
I can't decide who Moshiri should sack first this morning, Silva or Kenwright.
20 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:27:15
What I don't understand is the venom directed at him. He was by no means flawless and we played some truly terrible football more often than you would like but... and it is a big BUT... he also brought the best times of the last 20 years to the club, brought some pride back into the club and actually had at least one team (Baines, Pienaar, Gravesen, Jagielka, Arteta and Cahill) that was probably the best we've seen for 30 years.
I wasn't unhappy when he left but I was respectful of what he brought to the club while he was there. He and the club should have parted ways a few years earlier, mind.
21 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:30:10
22 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:35:46
As for Moyes or whoever comes in has three big problems
The defense cannot keep a clean sheet.
The midfield has lost its best players Gomes, Ghamin and Delph
We have not replaced Lukaku and cant score enough at the other end.
In defense of Moyes, if will tighten the defense and make us harder to beat, he did wonders on a very tight budget, people forget where our regular league finishes were with him. Additionally his transfer dealing came from loose change from the back of Bills sofa !
The downside was that he was more afraid of losing rather than winning, that said he has some talent at his disposal when all fit.
I am not advocating Moyes as the answer but he could yet do a very good job with Moshiri's resources.
My number one choice however would require "Waiter Service" brought in from me old China !
23 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:40:46
Moyes is past - his tactics, his association with Everton, his relevance, all in the past. There is a reason he is unemployed, and he should remain so.
Just DO NOT HIRE MOYES.
I was in the 'in defense of Moyes camp' before he left us (and shafted us), but this would be a dark day, just as dark as the Sam Allardyce appointment.
We need someone to come into this club and give us a lift, to lift the gloom and give hope for success.
A good manager would look at Everton and see a project to be had. We have money to spend when needed, we have some talented players, a decent academy. We are just in a rut, but a good manager (and coaching team) can change that.
24 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:41:38
25 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:41:38
Our club throws money about like confetti on players (attempting to "show ambition") yet never shows any ambition when recruiting for the most important job: the manager.
Don't let Kenwright pick the next manager, and don't waste time on another interim manager either, show some AMBITION.
26 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:45:36
The word "Moyes" needs a Stalin-like redaction from all the phones, laptops and whatever from anybody involved with making decisions at Everton.
27 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:46:56
Im not sure you can say the midfield has lost its best players in Gbamin and Delph.
We dont know a thing about Gbamin yet, he could be really good or he could be nothing special.
Delph has been pretty bang average in the games hes played that Ive seen him in, the Bournemouth game we lost, he was simply overrun, his legs have gone and hed offer little more than Schneiderlin or Davies.
Gomes prior to his injury was having a pretty poor season himself and again hes another player who on his day is fantastic but is maybe a one good game in six matches type.
The faults are.
1) No leader in defence and no athletic beast ( I cant work out if Mina is very quick because when I see him he looks really slow, yet Im told hes quick)
2) The loss of Gueye, firstly he shouldnt have been sold, he didnt agitate for a move and shouldnt have been sold not for that fee and not until we have at least two like for like replacements lined up, Gbamin Im told has a different style completely anyway, and Delph nowhere near Gueyes energy levels.
3) Why sign a number 2 goalie when no matter how Pickford plays hes never dropped?
4) The Centre forward position.
Two years on we have done nothing to replace Lukaku. We have signed a load of duds and are continually playing DCL there who is a blunt sword most of the time.
We needed experience, what we do is sign a 19 year old kid.
I cant see how Moyes or anyone can substantially change what Ive witnessed all season.
Too many poor decisions were made during the summer as usual.
28 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:48:05
29 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:48:31
I want Bielsa, Rafa or Wilder at least.
30 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:49:38
31 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:52:09
Moyes is a worse bet than Silva. The end.
32 Posted 05/12/2019 at 08:53:10
Be in No doubt Moyes is the Grim reaper. Those who wish for the return of the Ginger prepare yourselves for the lower leagues. You need to look at the state of Man Utd after Moyes ripped it apart on arrival.
The days of the Dinosaur are over. Pardew, Hughes, Allardyce, Moyes, etc are finished in the modern game. Why Moyes? Why not fully retrace and dig up Howard Wilkinson Moyeses Guru.?
33 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:02:44
What drives me up the wall though, is this rationale that Moyes represents a "safe pair of hands." Based on what evidence?? I don't want to hear about what he did with the club ten years ago - that's an eon in footballing, it's completely irrelevant. His track record since leaving has been beyond dire. And he's completely wrong for this squad - you think he's going to unlock Moise Kean's potential? Don't make me laugh.
(sorry, that became more of a general rant, wasn't directed at you, as I know we see eye-to-eye here)
34 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:02:49
I think it will be a bad move personally for the board.
35 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:06:33
The problems in this team are not technical. Whats lacking is character, resilience, balls. Its not rocket science. We dont need some foreign manager no one has ever heard of who doesnt know the league. We need a motivator, organiser, whoever that may be. And a couple of loan signings who are leaders wouldnt go amiss either...
36 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:08:50
As mentioned for those who missed it and in my own defense not advocating Moyes as my last line stated my preference.
37 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:09:14
Nothing would deter him when charged with replacing Koeman -- the trouble was the cashmen were then controlling Everton. Money was thrown at 'the project' and it's been pissed down the drain. Most of us will be disgusted if he now let's Kenwright bring his blood brother back as it's a sign that the top level of governance is totally bankrupt of ideas.
Behold the end is nigh!
38 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:11:50
The fact the Board are "reacting" to last night is criminally negligent
Watch as Moyes gets the gig with some fans "fav" put in (sacrificed)as a human shield to deflect the derision of the fans to ditthering Dave who will take us down btw
The media will lay the boot into the ungrateful Everton supporters who dare to speak up after ALL Davey boy and Billbo have done for the club
39 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:13:45
Not only would it be a comeback for him but we might also get comebacks from Tony Marsh, Eugene Ruane and John Daley.
Without a doubt during the last couple of seasons with Moyes the posts were far more entertaining.
Yes bring back the dour Presbyterian and Morag asap
40 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:37:57
41 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:43:25
42 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:45:04
Such an appointment would cost a considerable amount of money but it will cost Farhad Moshiri a lot more in the long run if he doesnt appoint someone of similar record, tactical mindset, and force of personality.
43 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:45:08
44 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:54:43
45 Posted 05/12/2019 at 09:55:37
Giving Silva more time is absolutely insane as someone else suggested.
All the obvious/ available choices will not take the club forward.
Bielsa is too old to suddenly rediscover the mojo of a club as sick and ailing as Everton.
Choices like Mancini and Pocchetino are about as likely as Everton winning the league in the next 5 years.
Slippy- what planet are you on?
Benitez would not take us down, and the Waiter definitely represents one of the safest pair of hands!
However if we one this club to ever return from is zombie state we have to look at someone like Gallardo and build a proper club from the academy up.
What really galls me is that in a project of this size in 4 years we never seem to have had a plan B?
Moshiri, if he is the clever businessman developing a model for an international recognised club should have had C, D and E.
Why do we not have replacements lined up?
Brands should be able to marshal the club, turn it around enough to get mid-table and build for the future or he needs to go.
I cannot believe after the season we have had Silva did not get the bullet the second the final whistle went against Norwich.
We should not be losing to no mark teams like this at home!
It hurts me that it keeps happening.
I don't believe however inexperienced he is this would happen under Arteta.
Is it a dreaming to think we might get him and Cahill.
With these two at least we would be building for the future too.
I know it is a real pipe dream, but my personal favourite is Simeone and not because of his obvious status.
I am tired of us getting stuffed and avoiding even looking for the result.
I have gone from a season ticket holder of 16 years on the bounce to hiding from our results.
I want someone who makes us hard to be beaten and builds from a core of young players who develop with the club.
Silva was never the right person for the job having failed at 2 lesser clubs.
Maybe Gallardo or Arteta if they would come are the answer, but someone in this expensive fiasco should have a blueprint for the future of this great club!
46 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:00:00
Moyes's response was, I quote, "I'm the only manager to get the team above Liverpool," probably inferring that little ole Everton should be grateful for his input.
I'm done with EFC if he ever comes near. Be strong, Blues, stick together like the shysters and we can oust teary eyed idiot and all his cronies.
47 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:00:08
48 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:01:05
Why are we always looking to the past as a football club? Why do we think Moyes can sort it out? We need a manager who can sort out the team, has tactical nous and a defined playing style and can manage big egos.
I don't know European and World football like I used to but I can't believe there isn't a manager out there who would jump at the chance of managing our great club and see it as a challenge. I've advocated Benitez and I think he's a good fit - not perfect but has a lot of attributes which our recent managers so not have. At the moment, it's anyone but Moyes for me.
Has there been a subject on ToffeeWeb which gets more discussion than the debate between IMWT and the Moyes detractors? We need to move on.
I've never felt as bad as this though. I don't see any positives at present. I know we've had some serious scrapes with relegation but there's an air of inevitability around the place at the moment.
49 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:04:31
The real question is, if not them, then who?
Answers on a postcard.
Would Davey make us hard to beat? Probably, yes. Maybe? Who knows, but to my mind this is what's required. When you're playing like shit, leaking goals and losing every game, the position you're in means you need to become harder to beat, and that's stage one. After that, it becomes something else.
The board need someone who will make us difficult to beat. End of story. For now.
50 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:07:08
51 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:16:55
Thats probably because weve got money now but just keep spunking it in the pound shop on players who cant do it at other so called big clubs and managers who are just totally unsuitable.
We need another miracle but I just cant see us escaping this one. Moyes makes sense as an appointment despite the majority including myself being against it. We might have to swallow this one to get out of this though. Its unlikely he ll come on a temporary basis as hes got us over a barrel. Were destined to a life of mediocrity in the premier league. Thats better than the yearly grind trying to get out of the championship because we ll go down defending like last night. Dont be fooled by us scoring a couple because at any point they could of stepped it up with their fringe players and embarrassed us even more more if thats possible.
52 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:31:21
53 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:33:05
No more old boys, the club needs cleansing of this mediocrity, this gravy train they're all on. No more influence from Kenwright please.
The club need to get a new manager who'd make all the fans go WOW!
No matter how much it costs, it won't be more expensive than how much has been spent on Iwobi, Walcott, Keane and Sigurdsson.
It should be an appealing project - we are 18th yet three points from 12th and only seven points from 6th place! The new man would get this season effectively to review the squad and see what he can do. He'd have to be seriously incompetent to get us relegated.
Throw the chequebook at one of these Argentinians: Simeone (who sounds like he might be coming to the end at Atletico), Pochettino or Gallardo. They have the grit and the right mentality that we have been sadly lacking in recent years.
54 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:44:21
Jim white just said we are sacking silva today
55 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:49:30
Hope Moyes doesn't arrive it will set back Everton for years.
Where the fuck is Brands and what is he doing?
56 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:52:08
57 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:52:14
58 Posted 05/12/2019 at 10:59:01
59 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:02:12
60 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:03:19
Quick poll: Moyes or Benitez?
61 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:03:19
62 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:04:40
Moyes is perfect for the job because he knows how to set a team up to defend and to be hard to beat - which is our number one weakness right now. Cahill next to him would be even better - two club legends who know the league, have lots of passion and know how to get us to safety quickly.
Funnily enough we did have a manager before Silva who knew what it took to win games in the league but he was never given a chance by some fans with closed minds. let's hope that whoever the new manager is actually gets given a fair crack of the whip before we start protesting about how 'dire' it is to win games and finish in the upper reaches of the table. those days under Moyes and Big Sam don't look so bad now do they?!!
63 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:06:02
64 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:06:33
65 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:10:11
66 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:12:33
Judging by the majority of the responses in the other thread, Moyes should have us in midtable in a couple of games. It's Silva holding us back, and without him we'll surely fly back up the table.
I can't wait to see Moyes transform that shower of shite into a decent side, stop all the suicidal passing, make the England international keeper make some saves, teach Keane how to turn faster, suddenly make Sigurdsson, Schniederlin and Davies quicker, and Kean score.
67 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:12:47
Under the assumption that Silva will be sacked this morning (at least eight weeks late) Moshiris last chance to protect his investment is to pay big money for Gallardo, Pochettino, Benitez or even Simeone, who appears to be on the way out at Athletico. None of them would be as costly as Sigurdssons £48M transfer fee.
Martin@40 is absolutely right. The mediocrities tainting our club must be removed forthwith.
68 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:18:53
Take a good long look at the table!
Silva didnt know how to set him team up. Thats how basic his knowledge is. So yes, Moyes will get us up the table. He will teach Keane, Holgate and Mina the art of defending. And he probably wouldnt leave huge gaps in the centre of our midfield.
Mid season, bottom 3.
We DO NOT have a choice.
69 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:19:39
70 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:22:33
71 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:25:40
Stick Unsworth in for Chelsea and youll see a positive atmosphere lift the fear from the players and a result. Then we have 7 more days to get a proper manager in.
Appoint Moyes and there will not be a positive atmosphere from the crowd. Will Moyes even be applauded? His appointment will not lift the crowd and we need that now more than anything.
72 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:40:30
73 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:41:00
Thats the sort of reasoning that depresses me. Why is David Moyes the man to rescue us? No other PL club would be turning to him in our position. Our past association is completely irrelevant.
I would honestly rather we hired Pulis than Moyes.
74 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:41:26
But football changes quickly. 3 wins and we are mid table again. None of us really know why we defended so poorly and didn't learn our lesson but between them. Blame the manager but it's only the players on the pitch who can sort it out.
They didn't. Even with a change of formation and personal we were open up to quick, long ball counter attacks all game. This has been a weakness all season.
I'm not sure a new manager coming in now would be advantageous with the games we have. However it should be motivation and a real kick for everyone to learn quickly and improve.
We need leaders on the pitch, the dugout and on the board. We also need some experts to tap into their mentality and improve it. Sports science including mental health is real and we need to embrace it.
75 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:44:07
76 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:45:50
‘The problem is the players on the pitch and that does not change with Moyes in the dugout.
While I agree that Moyes isnt the answer Im a bit concerned that youre still defending Silva, Steve. You are basically absolving him of any responsibility with that statement.
If we could bring in Guardiola would you say ‘dont bother...it doesnt matter whos in the dugout?
77 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:49:16
78 Posted 05/12/2019 at 11:51:11
79 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:02:00
Correct, Moyes ship has sailed. Most of my memories of Moyes during his tenure are positive, more positive than most of his football, but all the stars aligned for him. He managed to bring in excellent footballers at the right price or on loan, and he inherited players who made up for a lack of talent with fight and endeavour. He raised fitness levels and we had a team, not individuals. He will not pull that trick again, especially with the fannies that weve got now.
If hes in the dugout on Saturday Im in my garden. Fuck squandering whats left of my limited time on this planet going back to Moyes.
80 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:11:17
Silvas biggest failing for me was he could not break teams down,no creativity, no patterns to unlock stubborn sides, rigid predictable slow football, Inferior teams who came to GP and gave us the ball for 70 minutes in full knowledge they would still be in the game at that point and BAM sucker punch
I am not saying we don't need to learn how to defend properly but we have a squad that is better than 3/4 of teams in our league, We need to be playing on the front foot and going for the jugular ( 2 DMs at GP against lower teams is BS)
Somebody who will unite our club and give the younger players a chance playing attacking football
Eddie Howe for me, The idea of the ginger FS coming back and lowering the standards to a degree that survival on the final day is deemed a success FCK OFF
The minute we bow to Moyes or Benitez the standards are back to Bills era, The VERY minute either of those 2 dinasours walk through the doors that is what we are accepting , I hope the people calling for either appointment aknowledge this
Whoever gets it needs to be "progressive" and look to get us scoring and attacking teams, and needs to set HIGH standards for themselves the board and players
Eddies the man
81 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:12:54
I disagree - the Chinese season has just finished, and Benitez family still live in the area, plus he's publicly stated he wants to come back to the PL. It's a perfect fit if you put aside Evertonians hatred of the man.
Personally I'm not one to hold grudges - players & managers come and go, much like friends and girlfriends. Holding a grudge doesn't do anyone any favours in my view.
82 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:15:51
Jesus, you go on about this every day, and while I respect your choice, even if I don't agree with it, it's just not realistic right now. We're shorthanded here, up the creek with not a great deal of bargaining power.
We can't just tell Bournemouth to release him, that's not how this works (for the umpteenth time). I refer you back to the Watford/Silva debacle.
We DO need to become hard to beat - if you disagree with that, then I'm afraid you're entirely wrong.
83 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:17:26
What's changed, same manager this season but less Gueye and Zouma.
We didn't replace Zouma, and Gueye's replacements have most of the time been injured, that's the only difference.
Change the manager again by all means, but how much blame can you actually place on him? His position is practically untenable I agree and I'm not talking about retaining him, but anyone thinking that just changing managers again will magically transform our players I think are mistaken.
We will not go down I'm convinced of that whoever is the manager, but the club has become a disaster area from top to bottom.
84 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:17:38
Look at his track record of trophies = Zero.
Look at his post Goodison track record, please:
Man Utd = Sacked
Real Sociedad = Sacked
Sunderland (3 Apr 2017) = "It was getting a wee bit naughty at the end there so just watch yourself. You still might get a slap even though you're a woman. Careful the next time you come in"
Sunderland (April 2017) = Relegated (following 1-0 defeat to Bournemouth. After TEN YEARS in the PL)
Sunderland (22 May 2017) = Resigned
West Ham (5 May 2018) = Survived Possible Relegation
West Ham (16 May 2018) = Departed
85 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:17:40
The players are a disgrace and the club needs to stop throwing huge money at bang average footballers. Who ever looked at Arsenal and thought - I wish: Iwobi was playing for Everton - or Keane, Mina, Sidibe, Walcott, Tossen, Schneid... could go on for most of the first team.
Mane 28M - Winnialdium 20M - how can our scouts be so shite!
Liverpool put out a second string team and our lot makes them look like world beaters. Surely that team sheet would be enough to motivate a professional footballer.
Whomever is manager for the remainder of the season; Silva or otherwise - one thing is clear - we need a fire-sale in the Summer.
86 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:18:27
So we go with a caretaker (eg, Moyes or Benitez) who, like Allardyce, will demand a 2-year deal so they can get paid off when we get the full-time guy in summer 2020. That full-time guy could be someone interesting like Gallardo or Arteta. These sorts of guys are too untested to risk now due to relegation risk.
Or, we could go for Sean Dyche on a 3-year deal now because he'd steady the ship, get performances (at least effort) out of the many under-performers, and finish in the top 10. Eddie Howe also possibly but I happen to think he's found his level and home at Bournemouth.
Final option is Bruno Genesio who is experienced, free and would 'get' the squad. More potential than Dyche but more risk too.
87 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:20:51
Both fine with Me.
88 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:20:56
Moyes did great things here but that was a long time ago and he's done nothing since to suggest he could fix things. I can just see it now: relegated by Moyes the same season the RS win the league.
89 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:23:21
I'm not sure how many times it can be mentioned before people get it. We need a new manager NOW, like RIGHT NOW. Can you imagine us spending months haggling over Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche? Seriously, think about it.
You may believe in your heart of hearts that one of them is the right man, and fair play to you, but the reality is they're both in jobs as we speak so ruled out of the immediate running. Everton need someone free to start tomorrow. Literally tomorrow.
90 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:26:14
I certainly expect Brighton and Newcastle to sink downwards and Saints little bubble will burst as soon as they get harder games. West Ham had a win at Chelsea but now are back on the slide, and Bournemouth are struggling big time.
There is no need to panic.
As for the new coach, perhaps Moyes till the end of the season will do the trick, until another fancy name comes up. The trouble is Wilder, Dyche(god forbid) Bielsa etc are all in the middle of promising seasons, and Benitez in China on mega-bucks. Although his family live in Caldy and he is unlikely to get another stab as Liverpool boss.
The summer will be the time to recruit. Now is tapping-up time.
91 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:27:38
Phil Sammon, Silva has gone, if he's as shite as you and others seem to think then magic wand waved and we will climb the table. I hope that's the case. We're only 7 points off 6th and we can get back in that race in no time.
The reality, and I hope I'm wrong, is that there is deep lying problems that Guardiola could not fix. And I don't think he's the man for this situation either, he's only ever managed clubs going for the title before he came in and then elevated them to another level. Could he take a midtable team and win? I'm not sure and we'll probably never know.
Everton are in a right mess, and that's what happens when you sack the manager. We need to let Brands do his job. He needs to select the right man for these players. Moyes is not the right man. This team does not fit his dour 451. Sure, he could turn old Coleman into Hibbert, Digne could do a Baines impression, but Mina, Keane and Holgate are not Jagielka and Distin. Our midfield lacks fit players, and even if they were fit, they're not the battlers Moyes wants.
Let Brands do his job. I bet things would be a whole lot better if you didn't have clowns in the boardroom trying to undermine him by signing Zaha, or like for his predecessor all signing a different number 10. Moshiri needs to take a lot of the blame here, but we need to be careful not to chase him off, because if he pulls the plug, then we're going down like Leeds and with crippling debts that will kill us off.
Just be calm and see what Brands does next.
92 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:29:30
93 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:30:11
94 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:30:19
Good time for a change
See, the luck we've had
Can make a good man
So please please please
Let us, let us, let us
Let us get what we want
Haven't had a TEAM in a long time
See, the crap we've had
Can make a good man bad
So for once in our life
Let us get what we want
Lord knows, it would be the first time
Lord knows, it would be the first time
We are in a bad way, but come on people. Let's not throw in the towel just yet. Its going to take all of us to lift us out of this trouble we're in. #COYB
95 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:31:50
Now theres a manager who would rattle some cages and give a kick up the backside to a few.
Think a few premiership managers would be quaking in their boots too.
Could we really be that ambitious.
Living in a dream world.
96 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:33:38
Chelsea - sacked
Man Utd - sacked
We could do that with any manager.
The reason its Moyes?
That should be simple.
We are in the bottom 3. We need someone to hit the ground running. If we were looking to appoint a new manager at the end of the season then l would look elsewhere as he would have a full pre season to shape things. We don not.
We are closing in on Christmas and Moyes, believe it or not, is not as big a gamble as any foreign manager coming in. Moyes has his failings, we all do.
We have no choice.
As for Moyes system, he isnt fixed on his old 4411.
We played with 5 at the back and nothing in midfield.
Whoever comes in l will support them. I have to, lm a blue.
97 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:34:06
There is a clause in Eddies contract is there for a reason, we just need to behave in the right manner Ask bmouth for permission to talk to Eddie and ask how much the clause then decide if we are willing to pay (is his dream job bmouth will not want an unhapy manager at the helm)
My opinion is I would rather go with anybody that Moyes or Benitez, SO regressive as a move, and as I said the MINUTE they walk in the door we go from a side/club with great potential 7 points off where we need to be but playing awful,
To knife to gunfight bullshite all over again, Appionting either of those dinosaurs will say we have written off this season and final day survival is acceptable nay desirable
I only hope and pray that BK is aware how much he is hated by the fans and how his tenure is viewed, We need somebody to UNITE the club
There has to be more out there I would take Bielsa/Marcellino ANYDAY over that pair
98 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:40:36
You say let Brands do his job - him doing his job is one of the reasons we are up shit creek at the minute! Ive never seen such a fragile team mentally. His recruitment has been all wrong - weve got a team of mice.
Silva has been a problem, but not the only one. Brands is also a problem.
Whoever comes in will have my full support - Moyes or whoever. Beggars cant be choosers. We need a strong man to whip these shirkers parading as footballers into shape.
Beyond that, the other problems at the club need to be sorted, and hopefully Brands will be booted into touch as well.
99 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:41:11
Morag Moyes: “Noo you just hold yer tongue wee Sandy! Yer pas entitled tfeel a wee bit aggrieved after bein treated the way he wuz. Its as if naebody appreciates his ability tae go intae a club and immediately lower expectations.”
David Moyes (shouting): “Wheres mah tea Morag!?”
Morag: “Here Sandy, tak this cuppa t yer pa.”
- Sandy takes the cup of tea into a dark room, a frail-looking slim cardigan-wearing figure sits in a large leather armchair, fists clenched, knuckles white. The curtains are drawn -
Wee Sandy: “Heres some tea pa.”
David Moyes: “Cheers son.”
Wee Sandy: “Pa, ah hate tae say this but why dont ye forget the fitba, youll never get back in the noo, you made tens of millions o poonds fer basically winnin fuck aw. Coont yer blessins, walk awa'”
David Moyes: “NEVER!! Ach tae hear such defeatist talk from ma ain bairn is a disgrace. Ahm nae throwin the tool in! There has tae be SOMEONE oot theer who has a job tae dae. Someone lookin for an underachiever, someone prepared to accept second best.”
Wee Sandy: ‘Tut, ye live in a dream world pa, theres not a cha…”
Morag: “Davie, telephone fer ye!”
David: “Who is it?
Morag: “The fat-heid guy fae Coronation Street, Bill wotsit fae Everton.”
- suddenly its as if David has received a thousand volts, he sits bolt upright -
He then turns to Wee Sandy, covers the receiver with his hand and says..
David: “Nae chance ye say? Oh ye of little faith. Tell you whit son, get mah knife oot, wheer goin tae a gunfight!”
Davie takes his hand from the receiver..
David: “Bill, hooz it goin pal….can ah whit?…Sure, nae bother, but Ill need 6 mill a year and a 9 year deal…and a holiday hame in Peebles…”
Trebles, scowls and frowns ‘all roond ...again.
100 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:45:07
101 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:46:13
Hes past it.
102 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:46:17
103 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:47:36
Moshiri's instincts told him that Silva would do better with a bigger budget and better squad and he got that wrong. Sack him, learn and make a better decision this time.
Getting this squad up the table will be relatively simple. Going beyond that is what's going to take some time.
104 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:47:40
Classic yet again, where have ae bein ? we missed ye :)
Great humour and like all great jokes has more than a (ginger) nugget of truth in there for good measure
105 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:48:03
Moyes oversaw our redefining from a sleeping giant, to a wide-awake mid-table also-ran. He changed the ethos of Everton Football Club from proud winners, to plucky try-hards.
Get your knives our lads, because there are a lot of gun fights we need to go to.
106 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:48:29
Just reading your middle paragraph takes me back to the time I stopped going to Goodison Scott, it only lasted from the defeat of Wigan, until the end of that season, (a season when Everton actually played some very good football) but I couldnt stand Moyes being in-bed with Kenwright no longer, with the safest job in football, at a club that once only existed to win things.
107 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:58:34
108 Posted 05/12/2019 at 12:59:12
Do they think we are stupid.
1. He pissed around with us and left while telling everyone it was mid season and the contract would be sorted in the summer. What he failed to say was I agreed with Man U to take over there. Wanker. Every Everton fan I know hates him because of that.
2. He plays negative football which is why most fans wanted him out the door in the first place and why Man U also gave him the boot.
3. He isnt a very good manager
4. He was in charge of Sunderland when they were relegated from the Premier League
5. Going back to a club every manager has done worse. Kendall with us, the RS with king Kenny, Chelsea with the choose one etc.
6. Its a temp placement. Great if no other options are on the table but when there are other good managers out of work why go temp.
I would rather we had Fat Sam back than Moyes at least you know with Sam he will actually leave, Moyes could be there for years 🤢🤮
109 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:00:25
It's 1 pm over there. You've had your lunch, and still no announcement?
It just defies belief. If it wasn't so fucking tragic it'd be funny! How is this man still in a job. Even if he gets fired today, they STILL waited too long!
Unbelievable. Fucking muppets running our Club.
110 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:04:08
111 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:07:29
Given that we will be fighting relegation then someone with a proven track record of keeping a team up and in the worst case scenario returning them to the division at the first attempt would be my choice.
So Sean Dyche would seem to be the logical choice. Although the fact he did not survive the dysfunctional ownership model at Watford too might seem to also indicate that may be the route of the problem at Everton.
As Alex Ferguson explains in his writing a good manager picks the right owner/board. It would help if our board was united in their vision for the club and having a preferred choice of candidates.
112 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:08:03
If we appoint a new manager and contrive a way to get a single point out of the next three games under new leadership, it's worth it.
Silva is done. They can name Unsy and Stubbs (or choose any caretaker you please) in the interim and it won't change the likely outcome of zero points from 6 the next three games.
What is important is for the Board and Leadership to show they care, are aggressive, will only accept the BARE minimum of success, and not turn into an indecisive, leaderless, cowardly Club.
Sorry, I don't buy your argument.
113 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:09:19
114 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:11:01
"Do they think we are stupid."
115 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:12:02
116 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:12:50
That's just too funny. We're trying to speed along to secure the services of a football dinosaur who plays an awful brand, who failed at the "Big" Club, and then failed miserably overseas, only to come home to a historical English club and take them down.
What's next, a bidding war for a pile of shit?
117 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:15:55
What is the point in Brands if Moshiri is still calling the shots manager wise? Blind leading the blind.
118 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:20:14
How many good managers who are currently available are interested in managing a relegation threatened club who have won nothing since 1994?
Steve Ferns may be correct in stating that Moyes might not keep us up with this squad, he could not do it with Sunderland, however, if he came back and did the job for us that he did with West Ham in the 2017/18 season I would take it. We could then move on in the summer.
I am still hoping for the ex Valencia manager but I accept that our club is not a very attractive proposition at this moment in time for any manger.
119 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:20:48
Not that I am complaining but this looks like Brands will be integral in what happens with Silva and a replacement. I just don't see Moyes as the one he would pick, even for 6 months.
120 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:22:13
Have you won anything. - NO
Hows your last 8 games been. - W 1 D2. L5
Have any top teams wanted you. - NO
Do your team concede lots of goals - YES
Would you like to live up north. - NO
Do you support Everton - YES
You got the job
Welcome Eddie Howe
Welcome championship football
121 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:22:48
122 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:25:20
Unlike you Steve, many of us saw this moment arriving during the Aston Villa, Sheffield United etc. games. Add in the form dip from last year, previous clubs doing similar and the abject quality of the football and player commitment and anyone who did not know it had arrived by Norwich is no football expert - Silva is a poor leader and a serial loser.
Right now in the case of Brands, if I bought him at my price and sold him at his, I would make a handsome profit - my jury is very much out on him. He needs to show some directorial responsibility and take a lead on matters - presently he anonymous.
123 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:26:51
Out of the ones who could be available, surely we should at least have him on a shortlist? I've been saying this for weeks now and still no mention of the guy in Everton's thoughts.
124 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:32:19
Tim Cahill, inasmuch as I completely adore the man, has never managed a single professional game.
Anyone equating him to a dozen packets of Splenda is delusional. In fact, adding him as the sweetener might be the most offensive thing the Board can do, insulting the intelligence of one hell of a knowledgeable fan base.
125 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:33:25
The last lot blurred the lines so much that no-one was accountable for anything. Walsh, Koeman... who knows who was supposed to be doing what?
We now have a DoF responsible for identifying players. But how do you hold him to account when he clearly didn't pick the manager who trains and plays them?
I fully expect Silva will point at Brands. Brands will point straight back at Silva (and whoever chose him). I also expect that we'll sack Silva and pick an interim coach - how can you expect Brands to recruit the right coach midseason and with no time? Or at least that will be his argument.
Time for Moshiri to step up. The club is paying big salaries to these guys. They should have responsibility for what's happening. Just as they would in any other business.
Interim coach and give Brands a few months to recruit the right guy. No more messing around. You do the job right, or you go.
126 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:34:33
I agree with you 100% Cahill is the added sweetener in a Moyes appointment. It just grinds my gears to the core.
We are on the same page. I read my comment back and thought it might be misconstrued.
127 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:37:40
Time to give Preston N.E a call again,get Alex Neil in.
Do it Mosh.
128 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:39:06
Everton are in a mess top to bottom, and does not need a knife to a gunfight attitude we need an anti tank gun to a knife attitude. Moshiri was supposed to bring an ambitious future to Everton and you will not fulfill your ambition by going into the past
Moyes is not a winner he is a safety valve and hiring him shows a complete lack of ambition
129 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:39:08
Nice work but not even mildly smart or amusing, If you think we would be Employing Eddie for what he has done in last 9 games as opposed to taking a punt on the evidence of the last 9 years you are delluded
As I said previously had he acheived the same levels of success in the business world he would have been snapped up ( and he will be )
Our board is bad but give them some credit, It is a good job you are not a member of though,
So please Enlighten us all with your viable suggestion for our next manager ?
130 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:45:47
Everything you mentioned there is spot on.
Unfortunately at present we haven't got a good hand and Moyes may just call our bluff.
And knowing this lot we will fold.
This is all a fucking mess and on par with the Walker debacle, the difference is that there was a Saviour on the horizon atm there isn't one.
131 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:47:00
I'm really struggling with this, it means the club has no ambition whatsoever and certainly no idea what to do to get us out this.
132 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:49:24
Funny, I just looked at odds myself.
It's bleak. And you're correct.
If this comes to pass, it means the Club has no ambition whatsoever.
133 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:50:39
Aim high with that Moyes appointment.
134 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:51:13
Sasha at FF. Moshiri expected shortly
135 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:53:36
136 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:53:59
137 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:54:33
AND he is not going to keep us up either, his standard will be set at 4th from bottom and like Benitez his appointment will actually drag us into a relegation "dog fight" by its "intent" alone, the type of players we have are not equipped for such a project. We are 7points of where we need to be
He did same with Sunderland basically in the 1st week of the season sounding off about the drop ( shocking ) and lo and behold the standards or lack of are set from there ,and himself and Physcho barely scrapped it with WHU
At this stage I will take anybody over Moyes or Benitez, I am getting desperate now
@Paul Tran 131
Thats the spirit lad ,hope there is at least somebody on the board thinking the same.. I wont hold my breath
138 Posted 05/12/2019 at 13:58:32
139 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:00:19
Although if hes working with Moyes itll probably be a clipboard and a headset. Where is Round these days?
140 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:00:50
141 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:03:32
142 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:05:36
143 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:10:16
144 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:12:51
The starting 11 of Everton cost more than Liverpools.
If ever there was a Gif function allowed on here I could use it right now.
145 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:13:55
146 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:16:44
147 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:17:48
148 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:18:08
As my old Dad used to say.
Always Fight Fire with Fire.
That's why he was thrown out the Fire Brigade.
149 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:19:10
150 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:19:33
151 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:20:38
If you dont want to take Brands advice and think hes more culpable than Silva, fire him too.
Why cant the suits stay out of this?
152 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:20:47
Edit; with as assistant, for all I care, the black cat from last years wolves game...just not them twats.
Edit 2; Steve, spot on, she didn't even know who Southall was
153 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:21:58
154 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:27:12
155 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:28:29
156 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:29:47
We're on the abyss of oblivion at the moment. Not just the threat of relegation but the distinct possibility that the new stadium will never be built.
157 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:30:52
Let Brands do the job or let him go!
158 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:30:55
159 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:31:26
160 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:33:05
Moyes is probably waiting in his car at New Mersey Retail Park, or somewhere close like that, to drive in to formalise the contract and then be unveiled tonight.
161 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:34:02
You've abandoned Silva after making something of an arsehole of yourself defending him, and your "pivot to Brands" is as transparent as it is galling. You've more neck than a giraffe lad, more cheek than a sumo as my Dad would say.
With a spectacular track record of being wrong around here maybe go and watch Blackstuff and the follow up tv series and give the site a break. It's not only a brilliant show - and every scouser over forty should be ashamed if they've not seen it - but it might help you answer some of the other dim witted things you've written here lately.
Just not in the mood today for Steve fucken Ferns web, particularly with this embarrassing leap from the Silva horse to the Brands donkey. Give us a break lad.
162 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:34:26
163 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:37:41
164 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:37:54
165 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:37:55
166 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:38:53
Over fifty years supporting this club, with plenty of lean times, but please not that GT.
167 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:40:03
168 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:40:20
169 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:40:39
Paul Tran, do you know something we don't?
170 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:42:09
HEALTH & SAFETY NOTE : Any despondant Evertonians out there please DO NOT throw yourself under Mosh's car !!
171 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:42:22
172 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:48:43
173 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:50:06
I can't see us employing Moyes.
174 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:51:58
175 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:53:54
The whole team is ripped apart on the counter. Simple diagonal balls over the top leave us flat footed and the opposition to run through and score 1 on 1 with Pickford. That is certainly something most managers can fix very easily, it will just nullify a bit of our attacking threat, which is a problem when we have struggled to score.
176 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:54:49
177 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:58:33
178 Posted 05/12/2019 at 14:59:19
Apparently Bill has Moyes all set to go with terms and everything agreed but Moshiri is holding out and is yet to be convinced.
Pochettinho was approached but he is waiting for the United job and Gallardo is being tempted by Arsenal bur Everton are still trying with him.
Also Brands and Ryantesic or whatever his name is were at each others throats at HT last night.
Now as with everything this is hearsay and subject to change but I trust the guy who told me.
Personally I don't know why Ancellotti is not in the conversation. He would be ideal IMO.
179 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:00:13
180 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:01:22
181 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:17
182 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:46
183 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:54
184 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:02:56
All that really matters is we don't go down.
For the record, I don't think we'll go down, despite our current league position. There's a very long way to go, and barely a handful of points between us and the top 10.
Everton don't appear to be in a position to stick with Silva, and they don't appear to be in a position to appoint a permanent manager overnight, so it looks like we're getting Moyes. He's available and will sing the tune Kenwright wants so it makes sense (for the powers that be). He's also still good friends with Kenwright so don't be surprised if it happens.
185 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:03:33
If Moyes did come back in, surely the best thing would be to get behind the team? If hes shore he will still most likely to not be so shite he takes us down. Again, Sunderland were doomed, a squad full of old money grabbers and piss heads. West Ham were right up shit creek.
If he comes in and the fans turn Goodison hostile it will send us down just as sure as Marco will if he doesnt go. But if we can get a bump from having a new manager and get a few better results together at least there will be light at the end of the tunnel.
I will now duck and cover x
186 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:04:39
A guy who will work with our younger players play attacking high octane football, will be at FF at 6am every morning busting a gut to succeed AND WANTS to be our manager
Eddies the man lads he deserves his chance has served his apprentiship will have our players bombing forward and looking UP the table
No dinasaurs or money grabbers please
How many 20+million players has he bought ? few if any , in this league anything less you are buying other peoples problems
I hope you are not going to quote the "net" spend over 5 years as is not a proper indicator I am afraid, his spend is minimal, Plus how many Top star players want to come to play in B/mouth ?
187 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:07:06
188 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:08:22
189 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:08:33
Maybe you're his wife?
Eddie Howe's Bournemouth are shite.
190 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:10:01
191 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:12:31
192 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:12:45
"Derby humiliation triggers fresh Moyes speculation."
Me seeing the words 'fresh' and 'Moyes' in the same sentence..
193 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:17:13
I noted you had gone quiet from your earlier posts when you were spouting out condesending tripe about Eddie NOT BEING AVAILABLE and how we need Rafa
Well as I corrected you on above, there is a clause so Eddie is available as long as we don't tap him up, and Steve corrected you on Rafa NOT being avail, I was going to ask you not to be so condesending in future especially when you are in the WRONG, ,
For your suggestiong the fat spainish waiter, ( hasbeen money grabber) would cost a BOMB to bring that RS loser to our club
Also to note IF I was Eddie wife ? Surely I would be arguin AGAINST him managing Everton as the shopping/salons etc in the North are just awful xxx
If Eddies Bmouth are shite ( something most people who know football aknowledge what a great job he has done there ) what is Rafas mid table Chinese team like can you even name them ? ( hurry google it )
I am wasting my energies even replying
Eddies a good looking dude if i was so inclined ;) but I would gladly take Peter Beardsley over the pair of hasbeens we are being spoonfed ( and lapped up by some) by the media
194 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:18:41
195 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:18:54
196 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:22:54
I am going to flip that on its head if you don't mind , You folks can tell me how much Eddie has spent please ?
All I have heard is the 5 year net spend hurriedly grabbed from transfermrkt.com ( note it is not a reflective stat )
If we appoint Eddie the whole club will unite behind hiim and we will as a club be looking UP the table , Either of the other 2 hasbeens and its 4th from bottom or bust for me
197 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:26:36
198 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:31:22
Some managers, like players, can get to a certain level. However they don't all make the next step to the "big time" which is where we are trying to go. Howe has had 4 seasons in the Premier League now. He's had money and time to build "his team". The result is that they a very average, leak goals, and finish on around 45 points every year. If they were consistently getting in the top 8, I think this would put him in the frame. However, as it stands we'd be appointing a manager who has won nothing, goes out of the cups early, has never managed a big team, finished in the bottom half etc etc.
Not good enough.
199 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:31:46
200 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:44:47
I can't wait to see him back on the touchline with Tim bellowing at them to get working and actually putting some passion back into our play.
201 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:44:50
The only PL manager who doesn't have a pot to piss in is Dyche, who has got his team into Europe.
Neither would be my first choice, both could be better at bigger clubs, but I'm struggling to see what's so compelling about Howe.
202 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:49:30
I'm not on here to argue the toss with you, a stranger on the Internet. I gave that up long ago.
If I appear condescending it's merely in response to your constant banging the same drum over and over again. Eddie Howe is in my view, yet another mid-table manager. The same lower level standard we've been going for over the years. It gets us nowhere. Repeating the same mistakes over and over again, no thanks.
Do I know the ins & outs of his contract? No. Same for Benitez? No. I do know he's the manager of Dalian Yifan (you can quote me on this as I posted about his club situation 3 or 4 days ago on here) so no, I don't need to look it up.
I tell you what though, you're very welcome to your opinion on Howe, but please stop trying to ram it down everyone's throat. It is after all, only an opinion.
203 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:50:36
Drinkwater and lundstram type battlers. This team hasn't got any backbone.
I would rather pick Bielsa, Howe, The Milkman, Window cleaner or Paul OGrady than bring back that absolute bstard that is Moyes.
204 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:51:45
Can you provide a link to above stats regard £150M in 2 seasons? As I said before, Paul, if we can get Pochettino or Simeone, I am happy to shut the fuck up.
But unfortunately what has me screaming from the rooftops regarding Eddie Howe is the knowledge that we would be exactly where we are today... with Silva out and the Moyes/Benitez horror show being lined up. And some fans lapping it up.
After 30+ years, this club tends to become very predictable
205 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:54:43
Howe did a wonderful job getting Bournemouth to the Premier League on a low budget, then the Russian guy took over the club and he's had plenty of money to spend. Not as much as our managers, but still a decent pot.
206 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:56:18
207 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:56:22
I had actually advocated Eddie for the Manager's position after Allardyce, but Steve had convinced me that Silva was the better choice (sorry, Steve :-), to twist the knife).
208 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:57:42
209 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:58:30
Everybody knows we don't do any training.
210 Posted 05/12/2019 at 15:59:28
211 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:00:24
How many have multiple links open, refreshing them every minute, hoping beyond hope to see a 'Breaking News' headline on the burning subject of the day.
212 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:01:42
213 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:02:12
Maybe Moshiri is taking personal charge of team affairs.
214 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:02:46
215 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:05:20
216 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:05:27
When he arrived in 2002, he was a young, hungry manager and the crowd were 100% behind him: that will be impossible now. Also, that side was packed with battlers in the Reidy mould, who were pissed off with dour Walter and his negativity. The team just needed a boost and a bit of organisation.
Fast-forward 17 years, and can you honestly name one battler who looks willing to die for the cause? No, this side is reminiscent (though more expensive) of the Sunderland team that Moyes couldn't motivate and inspire – and don't forget, he inherited the Premier League Champions and destroyed that team.
I, like many on here, will give up if Moyes comes back in ANY capacity, and coupled with Kenwright, it will finally be the push to make me take an interest in something other than EFC, almost 52 years to the day since I first entered Goodison as a 9-year-old fanatic.
In my time, I've seen Everton slip from the top of the all-time table, to 4th. With the likes of Chelsea and Man City looking strong for the future, we will probably drop even further down in the coming years.
And it's all to do with the culture of this rotten club, including us, the fans. We've had more to get angry about than any other club's fans, from failed ground moves, broken promises, inadequate managerial appointments, ban from Europe etc... But have we had an eruption of protest similar to the Swales Out campaign, or even a march as powerful as our neighbours have had, with less reason to be angry than us? No, just a few kippers being chastised by the majority, and an aeroplane banner.
Seeing the shambles today (now 4 pm) — with the owner being at Finch Farm for hours while waiting for the players to finish training!!!! — is making us an even bigger laughing stock.
Spurs and Arsenal both sacked their managers this week without this ridiculous circus, but as usual, everything, including transfers, are long drawn out sagas with that smarmy B-rate actor pulling the strings — he is like a virus here; until his disastrous tenure is ended, Everton FC will continue to be an embarrassment for its loyal followers.
217 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:05:30
SSN even followed Moshiri from Runcorn station.
218 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:07:05
219 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:13:45
220 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:16:45
221 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:21:38
"Aye, boss, I cannae wait to get started." replied Moyes.
"Very good," said Moshiri, "Get yourself a mop and bucket and clear the mess up in the main lobby."
222 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:21:48
Emery has been going on for ages. The fans had banners and protests. The board stuttered as much, if not more, than our board has. They have also not appointed another manager and are doing what we did when we got rid of Koeman.
Moshiri clearly had his fingers burnt with Unsworth and wants to be more Tottenham. Perhaps he will follow that exactly waiting to sack Silva late at night, then announce a new guy at breakfast.
Where is Brands? Is he not about because he is with the new manager? If so, that could be a good sign, a sign that it is not Moyes. Clutching at straws but I'm hoping against hope here that it is anyone but Moyes.
Let's be patient here. This needs to be done right and not rushed.
223 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:23:36
Why, from a business perspective, would the Board appoint David Moyes and incur a hefty outlay, when they can promote David Unsworth as Caretaker?
Say whatever you want about Unsworth, he's absolutely not any worse than Moyes!!
I can not believe we haven't fired Marco Silva yet! It screams cowardice and indecision from Everton FC. Embarrassing.
224 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:23:57
Just because he supported us once doesn't mean he's any good. His team leaks goals and loses games. He's actually a perfect fit now I come to think about it.
225 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:25:19
226 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:25:55
I fully understand your call for patience, and I appreciate it. You're correct - we have to be patient and get this right.
But I've been patient since the Villa game! 😜
227 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:26:34
What happens hypothetically in that scenario, keeping Silva on for a few more games, we would be reaching the point of no return, and even the best Manager in the World could not get enough out of the remaining games to survive.
He simply has to go!
228 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:29:32
229 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:29:57
Its no surprise hes had to make saves but has still given up a lot of goals. Last night is a great example. Many feel he should have done better for a number of the goals? He faced five shots on target where the striker was not impeded in anyway, under zero pressure from a defender. Is it really a surprise they took all of those chances?
Go back as far as the opening day. Palace were kept at arms length for all but five minutes of that game and in that time they had two clean 1v1 situations.
The clues were there. Have the players underperformed, damn right. Id ask how much the set up has exposed them?
Based on the quality of chance we give up, Id say its the tactical set up which is culpable.
Now then, whos ready for a gunfight?
230 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:32:50
Second, and this is surely the most important point, the overwhelming majority of posters on here are desperate, and I don't think that's too strong a word, that it is not Moyes. So if it is not Moyes, then we need to be patient.
We don't need to wait until summer though. If Moshiri wants to go the Benitez route then he needs to wait only 2-3 weeks for him to start, as the Chinese season finishes very soon. If it's Gallardo, his season just finished and we need to act now before MLS clubs (Inter Miami) make him a good offer (that we should easily beat), if it's Marcelino then we are in direct competition with Arsenal. If it's a manager in a job then yes, that will take a lot more time as the Koeman fiasco taught us.
231 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:33:18
Looks like Silva will be in charge on Saturday for the final nail, and it's on TV. Someone do something or say something... please!
The whole thing is becoming barbaric.
232 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:35:15
233 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:35:42
234 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:37:39
Silva has to go, but the players will still be here, if you discount Unsworth thats 4 Managers now trying to get a tune out of these players, most gutless and happy to pick up a wage.
Some of these players need to take a damn good look at themselves.
235 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:43:25
Against the fucking RS.
Great idea. Well done everyone.
236 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:43:57
I love the "since January" talk about doctoring the stats to suit your arguement. As discussed above, we would be appointing Eddie on the work he has done consistently over the last 9 years in football.
The reason him being a Blue is relevant is that he would want to be here, unlike your suggestion. (When will ever get over being the subservient lapdogs of our neighbours?)
Ex-Liverpool Rafa Benitez, who abandoned his family to go and live in 1984 – only for money, no other reason... just after he had got Newcastle relegated then nearly relegated a 2nd time.
He will cost a bomb; why would he come to a "small club" anyway... but only for money.
Can you imagine if Rafa came here, as you wish, and lost 9 on the spin, as he often did with Newcastle, and a derby in the FA Cup??? Have you thought this through? I sincerely doubt you have!!
How you can even suggest such a thing is baffling to me... but each to their own.
237 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:45:14
A mediocre, short-term hire does nothing. Even if it "keeps us up" (impossible to tell), it just leaves us in limbo in the close season.
Any move we make to genuinely push forward requires us to take a big risk.
Any "safe" appointment we make is, to me, just guaranteeing long term mediocrity.
238 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:17
How his nose has never grown is beyond me!
239 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:49:40
240 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:11
As an aside, Benitez hands were severely tied at Newcastle, and everyone knows it. If I was offered £20m to go to China for a few years I'd go as well. Maybe you're a better man than me if you'd turn it down to stay in Liverpool earning fuck all!
Let's just agree to disagree because this is going round in circles.
241 Posted 05/12/2019 at 16:51:58
242 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:07
Risky, but in my view Moyes, especially after what he did with Sunderland, is a far bigger risk. His stats post Everton don't lie. Moyes would hardly be welcomed by the majority of supporters and we need someone we can all get behind to turn Goodison into a fortress again.
Tick tock five o'clock and not a whisper.
243 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:30
1. Brands did/does have a plan to replace Silva, but it was going to be over the summer based on moderate confidence that Silva would get us there, as well as trying to break the chain of knee-jerk hire > sack > hire > sack that has become the norm in the Moshiri era.
2. The dire results, the media pressure, the very clear supporter uproar, have forced him to move his timeline up by 6 months.
3. Instead of sounding out quality to prepare for the summer, he's been talking reason to Moshiri and keeping Kenwright's evil whispering at bay, while at the same time doing his best to talk one of his top choices to come in now, instead of May.
This is my hope, and as I write it, it does seems plausible to me, so now I hope as a calculated, methodical football man (by all accounts), he is successful at doing so. If the situation dictates that Kenwright & Moshiri overrule him, we'll know the second the replacement is named.
244 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:00:45
Classic American politicking.
245 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:01:21
246 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:01:47
Me personally I'm livid and it's nothing to do with last night;
I'm livid because the manager should have been sacked after the Norwich game when all above had lost faith
I'm livid because we have just thrown away two games for no reason when the club don't retain the faith of the manager
I'm livid because taking emotion away we have a terrible four game run where our best chance of getting 3 points is Saturday and they are fucking about with the manager situation now rather than concentrating on our opponents hence another 3 points tossed away. In the cold light of day we lost the 2 most difficult fixtures of the season this is our chance for points.
I'm livid because we are going to panic and appoint someone to save us from relegation when we need to be brave and appoint Arteta.
Im livid because our owner, DOF and players are more concerned with bullshitting the fans than ownership of their contribution to this mess.
Don't make me even more livid by bringing back Moyes
247 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:09:17
Thats were I'm fairly unimpressed with him. He really should be experienced enough to fear the worst and game it from there.
Youd think if he wants his appointment then hed have something in his back pocket to a) make the transition quick/painless and b) show Moshiri he has all the bases covered and he could wave his choice through.
I agree with Steve, Everton should hold their nerve, Davey aint going anywhere, so speak to Benetiz or Gallardo, sack Silva and let an interim have it for two/three weeks.
Its solves the Silva issue, gives the fans a team they can get behind in the very short term and hopefully buys them time to do a better deal.
If it all falls through Davey will still be there.
248 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:23:11
Other amusing thoughts in this thread:
* it's Brands fault we have weak-minded/fragile players (as if he gives them a psych profile during the negotiation process lol)
* it's Brands fault he didn...oh forget it
* we should get Diego Simeone (oh this is rich)
* Eddie Howe hasn't spent any money (here you go, Jer, since you're too arsed to look it up yourself)
* I know I'm a newer fan, but can someone tell me the last time a team was relegated in December?
249 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:26:40
250 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:35:54
The same applies for Spring. And it's a problem no one is looking ahead.
We have a run of 4 -5 games in the Spring that are deadly. It's from the end of February through the first week of April:
Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Norwich (cough-cough) and Leicester.
We need to bring in a new man now. We can't wait. The new fella will need time to implement his system, and we simply can not drop points between now and March. If we do, those run of fixtures coming up in the Spring are the death toll for Everton.
We need to be on 30 points before February 22nd, 2020 minimally. In order to do that, the new manager should be cutting his teeth and implementing his system NOW so he can get the players up to speed to maximize points AFTER this horror schedule.
Can no one else see this?? Any change must occur now, even a caretaker in the event the caretaker is on longer than expected, to maximize points in January and February before it's well and truly too late!
251 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:35:57
If not I agree with Jer Kiernan. Howe has to be better than Silva and he genuinely loves Everton.
Get it done
252 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:40:43
What I meant, and I thought this was quite clear, is that when Spurs and Arsenal got rid of their managers they released a statement and it was done. They didnt have have rolling coverage of the movements of their board members in the run-up.
253 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:43:24
Thanks for going to all that effort but I had looked at that site already previously quite a bit, and can pull any stat out of my arse to win any arguement,, surely if we all on TW havent learned that from this tabacle than what have we learned ?
Example bmouth rating in "most effective "buyers they are above Arse/City/Spurs /Man U/EFC of course so please stats are for me the last hiding place of somebody who is losing an arguement so I try avoid (see politics)
Having seen stats up till last week that told me Silva is doing great job and DCL is top class ??? When it comes to stats Mark "Silence is Golden, But my EYES stilll see ;) "
His net spend last season was 20mil ? are you for real ? this is "spending" in PL terms ? How "new " a fan are you last season is it, last week ??? Ask any of the posters on here who have been "watching" the game for over 30+ years what they think of "stats" and stand back and be prepared to be blasted
Anybody who knows the game and indeed has managed/worked IN the game say Eddie has done a miraculous job at Bmouth and deserves a crack at big club, Roy Hodgson PL elder statesman was saying it only last week
Stats /Smats !!
254 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:48:52
Would he do better with the deep pockets of Moshiri's? No one knows, but IMO giving someone so much credit for making a bad team an average team is just ridiculous. It's like the Benitez shouts because he prevented Newcastle from being relegated. Such a low bar...
255 Posted 05/12/2019 at 17:58:28
We have seven very winnable home games, we need to get those in the bag and that should be enough with a point or so away from home.
But its gonna be tight this year regardless.
256 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:01:40
You do see what I am saying, though: stats are in the eye of the beholder,
Just one point which I believe is relevant: He didn't make a bad team average. He took a team (aged 29) in Administration, 17 points deduction, transfer bans, bailiffs at the training grounds, and took them from 91st in the league to sustained positioning at the "top table" of world football.
This is the type of character I want in the dugout. I am going to back off though (falling on deaf ears etc). It looks like we are going to do the usual and revert to Moyes or FSW.
I am taking up pottery!!
257 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:04:40
I don't know if we can get my man (men?), so I'm just waiting to see what happens. I'm very interested in Arteta, Gallardo, Marcelino, and I don't put anything into the "risky" objection. A team in 18th is risky for any manager regardless.
258 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:06:50
259 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:12:20
Brands: I have put many beautiful managers in the storeroom, each of them filled with little surprises.
Moshiri: Many managers?
Brands: Oh yes, many!
Moshiri: Would you say I have a plethora of managers?
Brands: A what?
Moshiri: A *plethora*.
Brands: Oh yes, you have a plethora.
Moshiri: Marcel, what is a plethora?
Brands: Why, Farhad?
Moshiri: Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.
Brands: Forgive me, Farhad. I know that I, Marcel, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at Bill, and are looking to take it out on me?
260 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:17:48
I am open to all 3 of your suggestions over feckin Laurel and Hardy any day!!
261 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:21:26
262 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:26:08
I heard that some of the delay today was because Schneiderlin went pick up Moshiri at the station. The 5mph speed was allowed for but not the three wrong turns into blind alleys. They eventually had to send Fabien Delph out on his mobility scooter to collect him.
263 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:27:47
264 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:29:25
At least both my shrink and my Cardiologist will be glad to hear I have finally hung up my blue scarf !!
265 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:32:11
If it is Howe (if anyone?), it'll be a gamble that at a bigger club with proper expectations, he can organise a defence and keep his attacking style. That's a big if - and happy days if he can.
266 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:35:41
If anything he's being pragmatic in order to allow the change to be a seamless one. Announce fire > announce hire in the same week. And he's doing it to avoid a garbage appointment that will only perpetuate the shitstorm around the Club (aka a Moyes or such). My $.02.
It may not be a fair way to do things to Marco, but honestly, even IF he's 100% aware that he's being fired, why would he truly care? He'll get a check for about £4m, so he'll get over it.
267 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:37:53
268 Posted 05/12/2019 at 18:42:28
269 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:13:00
270 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:18:06
Feel sorry for the bloke but he wasnt the right calibre from day one.
271 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:21:46
Someone now has a whole day to speak to the squad, oversee training and select a winning team following a complete thrashing.
Piece of cake as Basil Fawlty would say.
272 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:23:07
I can't see Moshiri putting up with this shit for much longer.
273 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:26:41
274 Posted 05/12/2019 at 19:46:28
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