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Pereira back on the target list at Everton

| Thursday, 05 December 2019 150comments  |  Jump to last
Vitor Pereira, one of three main candidates whom Everton are said to have interviewed when looking for a successor to David Moyes in 2013, is apparently the man the club are hoping to bring in to fill the vacancy caused by Marco Silva's sacking.

The Portuguese was pinpointed as desired candidate following his success at FC Porto but after missing out on the Goodison Park post, he ended up in the relative obscurity of Saudi Arabia before undertaking brief stints at Olympiacos (where he won the double), Fenerbahçe and 1860 Munich (who got relegated at the end of his only season).

His latest assignment has been in China managing Shanghai SIPG where he succeeded Andre Villas-Boas and guided that club to its first league title in his first season and has just guided them to a third-place finish.

Now, Sky Sports are reporting that Periera is the Everton board's top target to replace Silva who was dismissed this evening after 18 months in charge.

Like the Mark Hughes links, the story will probably have come from Iranian “super agent” Kia Joorabchian who is credited with getting Pereira the job at 1860 Munich a few years ago.



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James Power
1 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:28:50
No
Jim Bennings
2 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:30:22
NO NO and triple NO.

Do we ever learn?

Hopefully this is bullshit.

Sam Hoare
3 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:37:17
Would be a strange choice. He’s not done much to boost his reputation since leaving Porto and had a disastrous spell with Munich when taking over mid season which ended in their relegation. Sound familiar?
John Raftery
4 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:38:35
Normally we would treat this as just a ridiculous rumour. But at the moment who knows? It would be taking the ‘anyone but Moyes’ option to new lengths.
Jim Bennings
5 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:40:11
Sam

It wouldn’t be strange it would be a disaster of Jaqcues Santini at Spurs proportions.

Periera is a journeyman and has barely managed in a strong league, a disastrous spell in Germany aside.

Just no to this, would rather have just kept Silva.

Jerome Shields
6 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:44:21
Just a like for like replacement for Silva, if true. They might bring him in till the end of the season. But he is not a Manager to push the team on.
Nigel Munford
7 Posted 05/12/2019 at 22:50:34
Who??
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

8 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:04:38
Two things.

1) Vitor Pereira would be a paler version of what we just got rid off.

2) Kia Joorabchian, as a British-Iranian, is a close friend of Moshiri's and an Arsenal fan from where they know each other.

He tried to buy Arsenal when David Dein was still there, but it was way beyond his pocket. Instead, he invested heavily here in Brazil with one of the mega-clubs, Corinthians in 2003.

Within 3 years there was a warrant out for his arrest (and others) as the arrangement was seen as money laundering. Only in 2014 were all charges dropped with the case unproven.

It was during this time he met Carlos Tevez (and Mascherano) and brokered their controversial 3rd party deal to WHU.

The PL later said if they had known the details of the players' ownership, they would never have sanctioned the deal. They tightened up on player 3rd party ownership as a result.

Nor does the PL allow anyone who is not a registered player agent to mediate in deals with PL clubs. Kia Joorabchian is not a registered agent.

If he is indeed Pereira's agent, I don't know if the PL restriction extends to managers also.

Kenny Smith
9 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:07:49
Madness !!!
Bill Gienapp
10 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:22:49
I can't see what this guy's appeal would be on any level. Is the board just picking names out of a hat?
Steve Ferns
11 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:31:37
Didn't realise this had it's own thread. I posted this in the other one:

Vitor Pereira is not the answer. He knocked around the lower leagues of Portugal before getting the gig as Porto manager having been the youth coach, and then become Andre Villas Boas' assistant.

Porto were returned to greatness and taken to new heights by Mourinho. Mourinho left and the Champions League Champions were ravaged by vultures and did not retain the title. They then rebuilt and won it the next year, and the next and the next and so on. 5 titles in a row and then they skipped a year, sacking the manager and hiring AVB, who hired Pereira as his assistant. AVB wins the league and the UEFA Cup and is immediately declared the new Mourinho and moves to Chelsea. Pereira stepped up to the hot seat.

Porto at this time had Hulk, Joao Moutinho, and of course Falcao, but he left before Pereira got going. Pereira won back to back titles, so Porto won 3 in a row. But Pereira failed in Europe with early exits and this did not go down well. Pereira flirted with Everton at this time, 2013 Link Not sure exactly what happened but we ended up with Martinez and Pereira went to Saudi Arabia.

Then he was in Greece the season after Silva, but between him and Michel, they failed to replicate Silva's record breaking season where they won the league by 30 points and a Europe record number of consecutive wins.

Now here's what gives me the most concern. Remember how much Porto was winning the league from Mourinho's time and then five in a row and a bad season was going a year without a title? Well Pereira left Porto as champions but they didn't win the league again for five seasons, until 2018. Olympiacos had won 7 consecutive titles when Pereira left, they won the next one and haven't won it since. Sure, he will say he won, he was a Champion and the next guy failed. But he failed to repeat the success of the guys before him to the level they did it, and the one after him struggled further.

Next he went to Turkey, not so sure about Turkey and Fener are a basketcase club, but he didn't win anything. His last European club was the second club of Munich, 1860, where he had a 30% win record and lasted 20 games

He's won two titles in China. I know nothing about China, but I do recall a match fixing scandal and ever since I've been dismissive of their league.

Anyway, I do know Portuguese football, or rather I did, and this was the period and this guy is not good enough.

James O'Connell
12 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:31:47
Just media spin until they announce the dream paring of Moyes and spit the dog.
Jerome Shields
13 Posted 05/12/2019 at 23:54:13
The more information that is coming through on this guy, the worse it gets. Is Morshiri going to decide who the next Manager is again, where is Brands in all this?
Martin Berry
14 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:02:50
No chance Silva Mk. 5
Dont believe this for a minute, just tabloid rubbish
David Pearl
15 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:14:52
Steve,

Sky report that he coached Porto to 2 league titles and also won the league and cup double with Olympiakos. You saying yeh but no but yeah but they didn’t win anything when he left?

I’m a bit confused. Anyway, that’s obviously the case because l want Moyes and Cahill. Fuck these gamblers who want A.N. other because of the spite they feel after he left to try his hand at a club playing in Europe.

Compared to being with us with zero money. It not a knife to a gunfight any longer. It’s a Conga of incompetence and Moyes can set it straight. We are in the bottom 3 and l am not impressed with anyone we’ve been linked to.

So give it to Moyes. The next guy has to hit the ground running. End of season we reassess. Fans saying we are in dire straits but want Pablo Escobar because... what.. why? Because they are not David Moyes.

People that can’t forgive and forget in my book are little people.

Christy Ring
16 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:24:02
Great, another manager whose CV showed he won championships in mediocre leagues, who recommended him?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

17 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:47:15
David @ 15.

"People that can’t forgive and forget in my book are little people."

There have been plenty of eloquent posts in recent days and weeks spelling out perfectly valid reasons why David Moyes would not be a good fit for Everton now, or ever again, David.

It's not all petty, hate-filled vitriol as you imply.

And in my book, anyone stating as you have done today that David Moyes is the only viable replacement for Silva for Everton at this time is being exceedingly limited in his own thinking.

You're normally a bit more objective than you are displaying today, David.

Kieran Kinsella
18 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:57:15
Portguese, Olympiakos... another useless see you next Tuesday
Steve Ferns
19 Posted 06/12/2019 at 00:57:19
David, he was assistant to Villas Boas at Porto. AVB won the league and UEFA Cup and Chelsea came in for him. Pereira took over. He had gone from youth team coach, to assistant, to manager. He won two titles back to back. I say temper this success with the knowledge that Porto won 9 league titles in just 11 seasons. They always won it. Pereira left and then they did not win it again for 5 years. He also failed to hit the heights that AVB did. Sure, Radamel Falcao had left and he did not have the quality that AVB had, but the Porto fans at the time basically thought they could have anyone in charge and they would win the league.

You could say that without Pereira, Porto were no longer good enough to win, but you could also say that he did enough damage that Fonseca, who succeeded him, could not keep it going. Cuts both ways and can be spun either way you want.

Porto were not unhappy to see the back of him. He was not popular, but that was because he thought he should be "the next Mourinho" and get offered the Premier League mega money, and was openly flirting with Everton.

I was never mates with any Porto fans though. Porto are the third club of Portugal, traditionally, and it's only Mourinho's legacy that has elevated them past Sporting to being the second most successful club. But that does not change the fact that most of the Portuguese I met, particularly in Lisbon of course, were either Benfica or Sporting. So, no idea about his coaching skills compared to Silva, or whatever. From my time in Portugal, the number one "coach" in the true sense of the word is Silva, with Jesus being the wily old tactician type rather than an innovative coach.

Paulo Fonseca and Leo Jardim were both more in the Silva mould. Fonseca is doing alright, but not better than alright, at Roma and is not an option. Leo Jardim is proving the old adage, never go back. His time at Sporting was trophy-less, but he and Jesus bookended Silva's reign and both finished 2nd to Silva's 3rd, though Silva delivered the Cup.

Jardim is one I expect to gather momentum. He is quietly popping up on the lists. He is a very intriguing coach. He's Portuguese but born in Venezuela. After Sporting he went to Monaco. He took over from Ranieri in 2014. Ranieri led Monaco from the second tier and Jardim came in when Ranieri stuttered (if I recall correctly) and suddenly took them to 3rd, 3rd again and then the title. He actually beat PSG. He did so not by spending a fortune but by bringing the kids through. The kids were the likes of Mbappe, as well as good young players like Bruno Mendy of Man City and our own Djibril Sidibe.

Not only did Jardim win Ligue 1 but they starred in the CL getting to the semi finals of the CL. Consider that moneybags, oil rich PSG have never bettered the Quarter Finals and that's some feat for a French side. Back in 2017 Jardim was the hottest managerial property in Europe.

You'll remember what happened next, after finishing 2nd the next season, PSG "loaning" Mbappe in one of the dodgiest transfer deals ever, and Monaco selling all their best players and they unsurprisingly struggled and even more surprisingly sacked Jardim. Hero to zero in no time at all. They took on Henry and he made them worse, so they called back on Jardim 3 months later, and he kept them up, in just 17th. This season they are 14th. Never go back eh?

With Jardim it's not just the results, it's the players:
He starts in 2014 with an old side containing Ranieri players like Ricardo Carvalho, Joao Moutinho, Dimitar Berbatov, and he concentrates on youngsters like Bakayoko (Chelsea), Bernardo Silva (Man City), Anthony Martial (Man Utd), he loses Rademel Falcao (to Man Utd) and James Rodriguez (to Rea Madrid) before he starts. He brings through Fabinho (Liverpool), Thomas Lemar (Atletico Madrid), to replace the likes of Martial. The next season he loses a few of the older fading players but brings back a washed up Falcao from Man Utd and gets 30 goals from 40 games from him, he brings in Mendy and Sidibe and develops a very attacking style with width from the fullback. and this is the season they bring Mbappe through and win the league.

I'm not saying Jardim is the answer. But he's done saving a doomed club last season, in utter freefall, he's won stuff against the odds, he's a coach who develops young players both from the academy and those bought in by the scouts. Jardim fits the bill for Brands. It's interesting he's now in the betting, as a rank outsider, it could mean he's on our radar. And surely it's time for him to leave Monaco. The screwed him over in 2017-18 and he should have walked then. It's time for a new challenge and he's worked under harsher conditions than ours, and he cleaned up Henry's mess.

One Brands must consider. And if Ligue 1 beating PSG is mickey mouse, Champions League Semi Final with Monaco is sensational.

David Morgan
20 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:11:57
Arteta, with Cahill as assistant is my choice. There is no way Arteta can't have learnt more in a year or so with Guardiola, than Moyes has learnt in his career. 40% win rate of Moyes was slightly worse than Koeman. If it's a Big Sam rescue appointment then yeah Moyes until the end of the season but we all know...it's another 10 years. So Arteta for me, Moyes was good because he was young and energised for his first proper job, Arteta will have that. But would he leave City, I don't know. I am unclear as to who is wanted, because it seems everyone gets a No. We need to pick someone and get behind them.
Steve Ferns
21 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:21:11
Record in Portugal mentions Jardim with Arteta and ten Haag. So there's whispers, hopefully, it's proper consideration.

Link

Latest odds are 33/1

Steve Ferns
22 Posted 06/12/2019 at 01:46:53
Here's one hilarious clip of Pereira to prove he speaks English, not as good as Marco though, and clearly takes no shit off anyone.

Link

Here's a tactical analysis of Leo Jardim's 2017 Monaco: Link

Steve Ferns
23 Posted 06/12/2019 at 02:06:26
This Chelsea fan really wanted Leo Jardim in 2018 and did a better analysis than I could dream of. Go on Marcel sign him up: Link

The above tactic video also mentioned something I forgot. Sidibe used to have Fabinho covering him at Monaco. Remember how Joey Parkinson used to play full back when we attacked? Fabinho was an ex-right back and so dropped in for Sidibe meaning when he went kamikaze like Norwich and Liverpool, there was someone filling in. Dunno why Holgate couldn't just be told to shuffle right to cover the diagonal ball. No doubt Fabinho himself told Klopp all about what a liability Sidibe can be.

Back to Leo Jardim, I think we could play that system with the addition of a Fabinho. He could develop Richarlison some more and who better to take Kean to the next level?

Andrew Lum
24 Posted 06/12/2019 at 05:29:46
Relegation with 1860 Munich. Do we ever learn?
Paul Hewitt
25 Posted 06/12/2019 at 05:55:00
For people saying they don't want Moyes. This is your alternative. You get what you wish for.
Trevor Powell
26 Posted 06/12/2019 at 06:06:01
Believe it or not, the Great Alan Pardew has thrown his hat in the ring, see

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7761269/Alan-Pardew-admits-keen-Everton-job-backs-David-Moyes-role.html

Phil Sammon
27 Posted 06/12/2019 at 06:34:46
Steve 22

That is one of the most bizarre press conferences I’ve ever seen. Thanks for posting it!

Ian Bennett
28 Posted 06/12/2019 at 06:37:00
Just a Marco Silva 2.0.

After squandering millions on Martinez, Allardyce, koemen and now Silva, I hope to God we find someone strong enough to take it on and who get Everton.

We've had no identity, no playing style for years. We have a load of mercenaries that just don't give a fuck - and it's a tone that comes from a board who don't know what they're doing.

Peter Barry
29 Posted 06/12/2019 at 06:37:04
The Board have known for weeks now that the sacking of the Manager was imminent, so why have they not already got a replacement lined up? Look at Tottenham, for example. Pochettino out and Mourhino in IMMEDIATELY.

Oh, and there is no question regarding Everton to which the return of the backstabbing traitor and subsequent monumental failure, David Moyes, is the answer.

Denver Daniels
30 Posted 06/12/2019 at 07:03:06
I now see Leon Osman has been advocating for Moyes to return. Seems almost like there's a media drive to get Moyes the job.
Paul Smith
31 Posted 06/12/2019 at 07:11:31
Leon Osman obviously has no understanding of this club and its fans.

Moyes is a panic measure beyond any of the last four managers. Even Sam A. Please find a decent manager without a recent history of relegation from the Prem for a start off.

Denver Daniels
32 Posted 06/12/2019 at 07:27:25
If you're choosing on merit taking his record since leaving into account then he shouldn't even be in the frame. Now, if him and Pereira were the only two options then it's another story, but there are plenty of other options I hope are being considered.
Tony Everan
33 Posted 06/12/2019 at 07:44:39
Recently guided Shanghai SPIG to 3rd place in the Chinese league, prior to that great form in Greece and experience in Saudi

Sign him up !, sounds like just the man we need


Dale Rose
34 Posted 06/12/2019 at 07:51:34
More foreign mercenaries being condidered. Do we ever learn. We have spent a fortune on piss poor managers with the exception of Sam who actually did what he was paid to do.

Get a sucessful manager who knows the game and is consistent or bring someone up from within the club.

Tony Everan
35 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:04:05
A massive and niave gamble to get anyone in who has no premier league managerial experience, mid season, relegation zone.


This no time for learning the ropes.


We need someone in fast with experience of the league, the best and most successful man we can get who fits that criteria.

Any unproven manager will be tantamount to Moshiri being a drunken gambler throwing his last dollars at the roulette table.

For the sake of our beloved club, this is a time for common sense.

Sam Hoare
36 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:06:54
Dale, god forbid we get one of those foreign mercenaries like Klopp or Guardiola with their strange foreign ways!
Christopher Timmins
37 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:10:37
Steve, is it your read that this guy is another Moshiri choice? It seems obvious that he leaked it to his pal Jim White. It certainly is not a BK call. What does it say about Brands?

It this guy gets the gig it's a massive gamble!

Paul Tran
38 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:14:09
Ferguson appointed caretaker. Journalists go back to managers that Everton considered in the past and out of the hat comes Pereira. Then they find the lesser-spotted Pardew. No doubt TalkSport will be touting Allardyce.

Honestly, why do people get wound up by this shite?

Dale Rose
39 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:18:30
Exactly Sam ha ha. It came across as xenophobic and it wasnt meant to be. It's basically to stay away from the usual dross we hire.
Tony Everan
40 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:38:35
Clear communication from the new manager will be a massive factor too. It is essential that there is no language barrier in getting instructions across to the players.

John Hammond
41 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:43:43
According to SSN we have a four-man short list with this guy and Moyes on. Who knows if any of this is true. Let's hope Ferguson lives up to his name and gets a result this weekend to buy us some more time.
Peter Gorman
42 Posted 06/12/2019 at 08:58:25
Say what you like about Pereira, he spik da tru.
James Marshall
43 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:03:38
What's this new obsession with Portugese managers? Are club owners all thinking they're getting the next Mourinho or something?

I'll be honest, I'm not sure I've even heard of this bloke. He rings a vague bell, but other than that, who the hell is he? He's highly regarded in China, but that's not saying a great deal.

Joe McMahon
44 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:04:21
No, please No. Lessons learned??? Rafa or Ajax Eric please!
Dave Hutchinson
45 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:08:53
Gallardo, Arteta or Bielsa for me
Mat McConville
46 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:14:42
As far as I’m concerned at this point, right now, anyone without a proven Premier League Pedigree is not worth the gamble. There is simply not the time for someone to find their feet. Personally, Moyes with a more ‘fan friendly’ assistant such as Cahill makes sense. He comes in we don’t get relegated. He knows the club and will know the squad. Give him the job with the promise to reassess at the end. Then with the safety and annual promise of a new season, that’s when you make the more expansive choice. My guess is that the array of talent available will also be significantly bigger.
Steve Ferns
47 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:23:39
Christopher, I think it’s the agent trying to resurrect a story from 2013. If true though, 2013 was before brands or moshiri so I’d say it was kenwright! I can’t see it for the life of me. Pereira wasn’t considered good enough in 2013 and his career has gone downhill since.
Paul Tran
48 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:28:04
For the umpteenth time, nationality is immaterial. A competent coach with the ability to communicate his ideas and man-manage/motivate effectively is what we need.

My furniture would 'keep us up', I'm more interested in a manager who makes us successful.

Craig Walker
49 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:31:06
Benitez with Cahill as assistant for me.
Christopher Timmins
50 Posted 06/12/2019 at 10:04:23
Steve, I hope your read on things is correct, none of the candidates mentioned to date have the mark of a Brands appointment.
James Marshall
51 Posted 06/12/2019 at 10:25:38
Sky reckon we're about to hold talks with Pereira

Link

John Kavanagh
52 Posted 06/12/2019 at 10:56:33
The Kenwright PR machine has gone into overdrive and the press if full of Moyes the saviour BS. Will those advocating him please look at his record post Everton. If we shortlisted any other candidate with that record TW would explode. Win rate of 29% at West Ham where he had more games to turn things round. 19% at Sunderland. Think on that and apply to our remaining fixtures. We now need a far better success rate than that to stay up. We may as well go the whole hog and get Pardew or Hughes in. Moyes will no doubt interview very well, especially after getting all the questions in advance from Blue Bill.

Not convinced by Pereira either as in China he's played the same system as Silva tried in our last two matches. His system depends on two fast mobile midfielders and a flexible attacking centre back. Would we be getting them in January then?

Out of all the names mentioned only Gallardo appeals, because he works with what he's got and is tactically flexible. He is also innovative and has won trophies. Maybe along with others we have already tried to get him and been rebuffed. Had we taken the requisite action straight after Burnley we would look a far better proposition than we do now.

All recruitment, of both managers and players, is fraught with difficulty and high risk. Everton's last three years is an outstanding example of how to get it wrong.

I just hope that Brands is allowed to do his job and get us the best manager available with minimal interference from Widow Twanky and Wishy Washy.

John Keating
53 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:07:19
Unbelievable.
Why would we get one no mark after just getting rid of one?
I know we are no longer a top of the league Club but surely we can aim higher than this joker
Derek Knox
54 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:18:23
Trevor @ 26, "the Great Alan Pardew has thrown his hat in the ring", I saw that but would rather he threw his ring in his hat! What a Muppet.

With regard to the subject matter of this thread, I do not believe that this guy, who would be very much an expensive risk/mistake, and as some have alluded to another version of Silva.

Would like Pochettino, but highly unlikely, of the others, it would be Gallardo, Jesus or Jardim. Okay none have had premiership experience but neither had Jose Mourinho, Wenger etc.

So while every potential appointment carries an element of risk, in Animal Farm parlance, some are more riskier than others.

I just hope and pray for the sake of the Club, that Moshiri, who has had his goldfingers burnt on more than one occasion, has learnt not to play Football Manager.

Even with it being his money, and he doesn't rush in where Angels fear to tread, takes the time, but not too long, to get the next appointment not only right, but one that will benefit our Club for years to come.

We have had enough of poor performances, and seen money that we craved for so long, being totally proliferated and the annoying thing being the fans have not had any part in any of this Financial Madness/Suicide.

Paul Davies
55 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:25:24
If this is true then we will be in deeper shit than now. The guy has no Premier League experience and a current track record of acrimonious failure any rudimentary due diligence should rule him out.
James Marshall
56 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:29:34
He likes a row in a press conference as well by all accounts.

At least he shouts at people. He'll be perfect for our shitty players.

David Pearl
57 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:34:04
Non of us have a clue. I don’t trust Moshiri to either.
We are in the bottom 3 with a £250m first 11.

We need Gomes and Gbamin back ASAP. Delph, jeez what’s the point?

If we hire a guy that takes time to settle we are screwed. If he comes good in 3 months, well that’s too late. Silva took over 2 months to fix the problems of last season to finish off strong and we allowed him all the time in the world. Moshiri has a lot to answer for he really does. Are these false names or do they come from Brands?

Moshiri and Brands have to get that winners ruthless streak. I agree we have to aim high. We should be going after Poch or a higher profile manager but we don’t seem to think of ourselves as one of the biggest clubs in Europe, with a rich history in the game.

Funny thing is our trophies have all come (to my mind) from ex players. Catt, Howard, Joe. (I know times have changed). I’d love Arteta but it’s not for mid season. That has to be an end of season appointment.

That’s why l want Moyes. Whoever comes in has to hit the ground running and there’s too many question marks against the rest. Jesus, Moses, Mary, the Easter bunny.

We are apparently due to meet this guy in the next 24 hours. Our other interviews probably this week. Big Dunc could be a ball boy next game, who knows.

Get it sorted Moshiri. Or should l say Brands? Hang on, should l say The Board? Or is it fan power that makes the decisions... I’m a bit confused.

Gary Carter
58 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:39:19
The dream
Pochettino, Allegri, Simeone, Ancelotti, Nagelsman

Exciting possibility
Benitez, Arteta, Gallardo, Jesus, ten Hag

Please god no
Moyes, Howe, Hughes, Pearson, Pereira

James Marshall
59 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:43:35
Gary - it's likely to be one of the 'god no' brigade and I think secretly we all know it!

My money is currently somewhere between Moyes, Pardew or Mark Hughes!

Michael Lynch
60 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:49:55
Steve has sold me on Jardim. Assuming Poch doesn't fancy a go.
Sam Hoare
61 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:54:16
FYI, Sky is one of the WORST sources for breaking manager news I reckon. They love stimulating the betting market which they profit from.

How about Van Gaal as an interim? Then maybe Ten Haag, Rose or Arteta this summer.

If we want a permanent now (or in next month) I’d be content with one of Gallardo, Jesus, Benitez or even Wilder/Howe if we must have British candidates.

Matthew Williams
62 Posted 06/12/2019 at 11:58:05
Jeez, I wanted this bloke in the Goodison hot seat a few seasons back... I wonder if he's still got it? He's had a fair few clubs since then and always had a bit of a mad streak to him.

I guess It might work out...

James Marshall
63 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:05:33
Jardim - why would he leave Monaco for us?
Gary Carter
64 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:16:33
James Marshall yes I know mate, it’s frightening, I just can’t help but feel there’s an air of Everton type inevitability that Moyes will return. I’m one of the few on here that liked him first time around but I really don’t want him now
Tony Abrahams
65 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:24:57
David Moyes is a non-entity football manager, a man who was in bed with his chairman for years, and between them they turned an English institution into plucky little Everton, imo, and some people actually remember this as being a good time to be an Evertonian?

I can forgive anything or anyone except a snitch David P, and if I thought Moyes was good enough I’d accept him, even though I think he’s sly, self serving, and nowhere near as good as he actually thinks he his.

Maybe he’s good enough to keep Everton up, and maybe he’s good enough to keep us existing in the top flight, but I honestly want a lot more than that for Everton FC.

James Marshall
66 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:36:53
This from Eddie Howe's press conference just now:

Eddie Howe was asked earlier about being linked with the vacancy at Everton after Marco Silva's sacking.

As a young English manager, Howe has been touted for several jobs in recent years but after beating Manchester United last month the Cherries have lost all four.

"First of all, I am very disappointed for Marco," Howe said. "Secondly, I am 100% committed to this club and I am a little bit embarrassed with the speculation, if I am honest, after our recent run of results.

"It's all sort of come at a bad time because people will then question 'has your work been affected by what's being said outside?'

"But I don't read all the nonsense that flies around about it, I focus on my players and training. And that is all there is to say on it."

Tony Marsh
67 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:38:22
I always thought the CEO at a football club had a big say in all things football club related? Does this mean Little Ms Dynamite will have some input on who the next manager will be... ha ha? If not, then what is Barret-Baxendale doing in the job in the first place? Saying that, Ms Dynamite would probably give the job to the little old lady who works in the Oxfam shop on Bold Street.

Absolute disgrace the way the club is run but I'm glad the Portuguese Pardew has gone and better Big Dunc in than that loser, Deadly Dave. I think if we beat Chelsea tomorrow then there is no fear of playing Man Utd and Arsenal, who are no great shakes themselves. Duncan could get off to flyer.

Like McCoist said on talkSport today, Ferguson won't suffer feels gladly. If they need a kick, he will give them one. Let's wish Big Duncan all the best, lads – at least he has passion and spirit. The thought of Moyes returning would 100% see us relegated.

Steve Ferns
68 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:40:43
James why would Jardim leave? Because they sold his championship winning side from under his nose then when he struggled to come flying out the blocks they sacked him. Then they hired Thierry Henry and then went cap in hand back to him last January. He kept them up, but just. 17th. This season they’re bobbing around in the bottom half. They’re 14th.

Everton can offer him more in wages, more in transfer budgets, and whilst we might sell a gueye or Lukaku every few years, we won’t sell the worlds best teenager in a dodgy deal to our main rival (“on loan” to fiddle FFP) and also sell all 5 or 6 of our best players so he has no team left.

Monaco are a joke now. A laughing stock in France and surely now if the time for him to leave. Everton would be perfect for him. Messaged my mate this morning in Portugal, and he said sorry for Silva, and reckons we need to get Jardim, be a perfect fit.

Anyway, Jardim is a possibility if we approach this right. He’s clearly a very loyal man. He does not whinge or whine. He is great with the kids, and imagine if he could do what he did with Mbappe with Moise Kean or Anthony Gordon? Show him videos of Ellis Simms, Tyler onyango and Lewis dobbin. He’ll be over here like a flash.

Steve Ferns
69 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:58:28
James, Howe's comments are very interesting. When I started to read your words, I was thinking why do we care what Eddie Howe has to say?

English is a great ambiguous language and we can find meaning where there is not. So I'll do just that! It sounds like he's professing a bit too strongly that there is "nothing to see here" and it's "not because Everton want me we've been shit". So, putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, he's seriously under consideration for the job.

On another note, anyone else seeing the rumours on Twitter that we have approached Pochettino? It doesn't state his response, but we've approached him. Have the club leaked this to shut us fans up? Is it a phantom offer like Kenwright made for Alan Shearer all those years ago? Is Brands really going to meet with him and give it everything to persuade him to come? Is Moshiri going to land the perfect man for his project and so put his hand properly in his pocket to fund it? I await the answers with baited breath.

Tony Abrahams
70 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:59:01
Moshiri and Brands have got to get that ruthless winning streak, and then two paragraphs down, this is why I want Moyes!

I know you have said other things David, and that’s why these forums can be a bit frustrating, because people can twist things loads of different ways, but you did say that people who can’t forgive are just “little people”, but David Moyes, did help to turn us into “plucky little Everton”, especially because it served the agenda of both him and a chairman who nobody could do a better job than?

Brian Harrison
71 Posted 06/12/2019 at 12:59:31
I hear all this anti-Moyes talk and I must have been in a parallel universe while he was managing Everton. I saw a man who came into a club who were heading for relegation. We had an ageing squad that were just happy to top up their pension pots. Not only did he stop us getting relegated, he then started to make us competitive and had us regularly finishing in the top 6.

I know Martinez, like Moyes, got us into 4th one season but couldn't follow that up. Moyes did it with no money to speak of. Yet we have had a succession of managers who, despite having kings ransoms to spend, have produced a mid-table team. Yet here we have some fans coming on this forum slagging Moyes as if we just escaped relegation year after year.

He left us to go to one of the biggest clubs in World football, to replace the iconic Ferguson which was a tough ask. And despite him being sacked the 2 players he bought Fellaini and Mata were both selected many times by both Van Gaal and Mourhino so his judgement about players was endorsed by both his successors.

He also took over West Ham who were also in the relegation zone and steered them to safety. Obviously he couldn't do the same at Sunderland and it didn't work for him at Real Sociedad.

Now I always say never go back as it never works 2nd or 3rd time as we know from Howard Kendall's 2nd and 3rd stints. But if our only option is Ferguson till the end of the season, I would take Moyes all day long.

The other options are bringing in managers from abroad who don't know the league or the players, and being in Everton's situation he hasn't got a settling in period. So if they want to appoint a foreign manager, surely the time to do that is the summer, not in the middle of a relegation fight.

Alexander Murphy
72 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:01:39
Someone's knockin' at the door
Somebody's ringin' the bell
Someone's knockin' at the door
Somebody's ringin' the bell
Do me a favour
Open the door and let 'em in

Jimmy Krankie, Vera Lynn,
The Widow Twanky,
Dusty Bin,
Do me a favor
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah

Andy Shandy, Royston Drenthe,
Davy Klaasen, Johnny H,
Ray Atteveld,
Do me a favor
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah

Betty's Hot Pot, Boys Pen Bill,
Uncle Fester,
Cannon and Ball,
Do me a favor
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah

Boris Johnson, Donald Trump,
Jeremy Corbyn, Forest Gump,
Ho Chi Minh,
Do me a favor
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah

Mikkel Madar, Bernie Wright,
Glenn Keely, Mickey Walsh,
Richard Wright,
Do me a favor
Open the door and let 'em in, yeah

Alan Pardew, Big Fat Sam,
Sparkie Hughes, Davey Moyes,
Steve McClaren,
Do me a favor
Open the door and fuck 'em off, yeah

Derek Knox
73 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:02:55
Steve F @ 65, while I trust this guy has a much better CV than Silva, he would be a bit of a gamble but maybe one worth taking if we can't get a higher-profile man in.

I do like the fact he encourages youth development and not afraid to include them in the Senior side. It has worked at many clubs in the Premier League, Chelsea, Man Utd, and to a degree Liverpool.

To quote your last line " He'll be over here like a flash ". Anthony Gordon, could become Flash Gordon!

Tony Abrahams
74 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:05:23
If Duncan Ferguson has got the respect of the players then he will do fine, he’s young, he’s hungry, he understands what the fans want, and he loves Everton.

Silly to even mention respect really, but the modern game is different, we have seen these pampered millionaire footballers down tools, at loads of different clubs, if they don’t like something, but if the players are prepared to listen and work for Ferguson, I’m sure he can do a better job than David Moyes.

At least Duncan would bring a samauri sword for a start!

Andrew Keatley
75 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:06:05
Steve (65) - “He is great with the kids, and imagine if he could do what he did with Mbappe with Moise Kean or Anthony Gordon?”

Hahaha. Priceless. Mbappe is a once in a generation talent. Giving Jardim credit for his development is like giving Moyes credit for Rooney; both of them were destined to be amongst the best players of their generation from the age of 17, and I expect Mbappe to dominate the next ten years of top level football. I think Gordon is a fantastic prospect, but I don’t think Jardim or anyone else is going to turn him into Mbappe Mark II.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

76 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:11:32
As someone who lived for many years in Portugal and who still follows Portuguese football, Jardim is a very interesting name for the very reasons that Steve lists. Pereira? Per-lease! Forget it!

(Playful sidenote to Steve: don't go all 'Marco Silva' over Jardim. Don't want to jinx the lad before he is even a possible candidate!).

As I've previously said in recent weeks, I'm not inclined to put up the names of potential managers, but I do know I don't want to recruit from the past and go for a safe pair of hands. Even in the position we are in now, I believe we should be bolder in our appointment.

I'll offer again a profile, a template, of what I believe we need. Not all the listed criterion need be met, but the more ticks a prospect gets, the better their candidacy:

* PL experience
* Experience in other major European leagues
* Trophy winner (the more the merrier)
* Astute tactician, capable of recognizing the need to change tactics and personnel in-game, whoever the opposition
* Capable of organizing a defence
* Capable of getting his team to transition quickly from defence to attack
* Capable of improving players
* Willing to give youth its chance
* Inspirational Motivator
* WINNER! Instills believe in his players and teams that they can beat any opposition, home or away
* Ideal age range 35-50, but that should not exclude strong candidates

How many ticks does each rumoured names on this checklist get?

Let's be bold in our recruitment and enlist someone who will not only arrest the slide we are currently in for this season and halt the spectre of relegation, but also someone who can get us competing higher up the table than simply be always 'middling' next season and beyond.

Derek Knox
77 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:12:06
Alexander @ 69, well put together mate, and it did make me chuckle, glad some have still got a sense of humour on here!
Steve Ferns
78 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:12:36
Haha, good stuff, Alexander!

DK, name another guy who has managed in a Champions League Semi-Final as recently as 2017 who we could get? Sure, I'd take Pochettino ahead of him, but I don't think it's an option. Jardim is a AAA candidate. He's someone Man Utd, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and many, many others all wanted. He's had a rough 18 months and his reputation is severely damaged, but this just means we can get him. There is significant mitigation for all that went wrong at Monaco, and I don't know what criticism, if any, can actually be laid at his door.

The best thing about him is that Monaco kept selling their best players, year after year, and he just got on with the job and kept promoting youth or uncovering diamonds in the rough that no one else wanted. This is a guy who can polish a turd.

And Derek, this will really, really sell him to you. He plays 4-4-2. A proper 4-4-2. Watch that tactics video above at #22. He played Mbappe (Richarlison?) up top with Radamel Falcao (Tosun?), and still had two flying wingers (Thomas Lemar who Atleti just spent £100m on and Bernardo Silva of Man City) and then two rampaging fullbacks (Bruno Mendy of Man City and our own Djibril Sidibe). And this was the season after he was accused of being dour and defensive! The guy can switch tactics, switch formations, can switch styles. He goes with a simple 4-4-2, because he plays kids and he keeps it simple for the kids.

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:15:30
Andrew, I can dream, can't I? And of course let's say Mbappe is all natural talent and no coaching, but about Thomas Lemar, Bernardo Silva, Bruno Mendy, Fabinho, Bakayoko, Sidibe, and so on. The guy has brought through so many kids over the last 5 years, not just from his academy, but picked up players other clubs didn't want.

His record at developing kids is second to none. Who knows how good Anthony Gordon and Co are going to be, but surely this guy can unlock maximum potential?

Steve Ferns
80 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:16:45
Point taken, Jay. Actually if we do appoint him and another Sporting coach fails at Everton, I think I'd have to give up on football!
Ken Kneale
81 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:31:00
Jay - the postman to Goodison should be taking your list to our directors. We are at a pivotal point in modern Everton FC history and we MUST ensure the club's footballing stock starts to rise again. It would assist if Duncan Ferguson can galvanise sufficient to avoid the spectre of a Moyes/Allardyce knee-jerk.

We still have a shed load of points to play for and two cups – more than sufficient to whet the appetite of a potential new manager if we can get out of first gear.

Derek Knox
82 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:37:36
Steve F, thanks for the link, very interesting and could fit the bill, let's just see how informed the Board are and also how ambitious they are too.
James Stewart
83 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:38:24
Let’s hope this is just nonsense coming from his agent. Much like the Hughes stories.

Jardim is an interesting one if unlikely, I’d rather Bielsa but can accept that won’t happen sadly. Benitez is the obvious obtainable choice though, if you don’t want Moyes.

David Pearl
84 Posted 06/12/2019 at 13:53:53
Just to be clear, l wasn't referring to anyone in particular with my 'little people' remark. So apologies for any insult implied. It's a frustrating time.

Do any of us trust the powers that be to bring in the right manager? I don't think we do. Why would we? We need the board to learn from their past mistakes and change what we are. Money and the right Investment should open the eyes of the Premier League and the standing we have had should've risen. If we are not looking or expecting the recruitment to take us up the league, we won't be achieving it.

For the first time, a lot of us are starting to question Brands and his role. What he's given us is a bunch of young players that need to improve, their potential is massive. He got them in because he expects a lot of them. Just as much, though, our older more experienced players are letting us down.

Nobody knows our best shape or our best 11. It will be a few months before we are even close to knowing. And what will the new window bring? Another wasted season but we saw it coming months ago.

This is Everton. Aim high Moshiri... the buck stops with you.

James Marshall
85 Posted 06/12/2019 at 14:14:49
Nobody knows what manager will make it work at Everton, perhaps none of them.

It's all just opinions, as there are far too many variables to make a judgement that is even going to get close to being 100% the right answer.

We could employ Pep Guardiola or me for the job and nobody really knows what the results would be like. (I am a tactical genius, by the way.)

Steve Ferns
86 Posted 06/12/2019 at 14:20:22
You're 100% correct James. And you can hire the world's best manager and it can not work out. Or you get someone who has reached the top, made their money and lost their hunger. How many of Mourinho's recent clubs have felt that they hired a man who was not what they thought he would be?

I think if we do a straw poll now, would we accept Pochettino, then the answer would be an overwhelming yes. But Pochettino looked burnt out and frustrated at Spurs. Surely a rest and a change of scenery and he'll be back to his best? Maybe not. I championed Jardim, and there's no doubt right now he looks a shadow of his former self, we'd be banking on him roaring back to life. But he might be done. He might have passed his peak never to reach those heights again. Kendall peaked before he was 45. Clough did too. There's many, many managers who fade early.

Any manager is a risk. That's why we have Brands, as he is supposed to be the expert, the one to spot who will be the next great player or indeed the next great manager.

Francis van Lierop
87 Posted 06/12/2019 at 14:28:09
My gut feeling was a straight no, and Steve Ferns' analysis sealed it.

The one reason why I don't want Moyes back, is the way he wanted Fellaini and Leighton Baines, both on the cheap, and that after 10 years or so of service.
Asides from him being useless now, as others have pointed out so well.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

88 Posted 06/12/2019 at 14:33:02
James @ 85.

That's...LIFE! Nothing comes with gilt-edged guarantees.

It's the same for all of us and any decision you make about your own life.

You can radically randomize your decision making as was the case of the classic work The Dice Man in which the main character took action on what to do determined on a dice roll.

Another way is you can make informed decisions on what best to do by first identifying why constitutes the ideal result you are striving for.

In recent years we've been more Dice Man rather than informed decision makers when selecting our managers.

But whichever recruiting path we follow, a decision DOES have to be made. And then...who knows how it will pan out?

As I said, that's...LIFE!

Steve Ferns
89 Posted 06/12/2019 at 14:54:15
So, we have Pochettino and Ancelotti being discussed today in the tabloids. Things are looking up.
John Pierce
90 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:03:46
I see Poch is allegedly being considered. I’ve piped up several times that paying top top whack for a manager is what’s required.

It’s easy to put Everton down the list of teams he may want to join. But I think the balance of the squad is very young and he excelled at this, maybe that might attract him?

Regardless Everton do have a talented squad, who may have been well coached under Silva but the other part of the job managing them, was dire. Admittedly they have pieces missing through injury and some average transfer activity.

But this squad is a good as the one Poch inherited at Spurs. Remember Harry Kane was just a reserve player who was plucked from seeming obscurity.

If Everton want together off the floor of the resuscitation room then they have to spend big.

Tony Hill
91 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:05:55
Pochettino has apparently rejected us. We were right to ask. Some reference to Bordelas as well.
Sam Hoare
92 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:05:59
Jardim is a good call actually. Could be a good fit. Marcelino should definitely be a contender too.
Brian Wilkinson
93 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:07:08
Poch said no, followed by Howe so that’s two out.

How about a poll Ed’s for the next Manager, let’s see what the general feeling is around supporters.

I will start off with Benitez.

Daniel A Johnson
94 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:07:43
Sky News is pretty much a marketing tool for Sky bet its clever if you think about it. They just break false news to make money its as simple as that.
Daniel A Johnson
95 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:08:38
Poch was always saying no...…..did he break down laughing hysterically too?
Steve Ferns
96 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:13:07
Daniel, did he actually get the offer?

“Hello, Mauricio, Bill Kenwright here, chairman of Everton FC”

“hi Bill, I’ve been expecting your call”

“Good stuff Mauricio. Now the Everton fans have begged me to ask you if you would manage us and now I’ve asked the question I won’t keep you. ”

“Actually Bill, I’m interested can we meet to discuss how much money I will have to spend and control over the squad?... Bill?... Are you still there Bill?... wasting my time”

Derek Knox
97 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:24:07
Apart from anything else, one reason that Poch may not consider going ANYWHERE, is that Levy, cleverly (being a renowned door-hinge) inserted a clause into Poch's contract, that should he sign for another Club within a certain time frame (end of this season May 2020 I believe) he would have to pay the £12.5M back.
Mark Guglielmo
98 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:28:09
Remember those 8 minutes when the media were discussing Poch as having "been approached?"

Those were the days, eh?

James Marshall
99 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:32:16
Maurico PochetiNO
Dale Rose
100 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:52:51
Football is one of the few games where failure is celebrated and rewarded. Look at our last three managers. All have walked with a shit load of money for failure and after the debacle the other night abject fucking failure. You can throw as many names as you like in the air, and you will still end up with same scenario.

The club needs a clear out as soon as possible. When that's done we may be able to consider a viable project.

Jay Harris
101 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:56:30
It is being reported that we have had over 100 applications.

Some of the players were sniggering behind Moshiri's back when he had his get together and told them the board would back the players with whatever they need (sort of confirms suspicions about some of the squad).

Apparently Pochettino has rejected an approach but at least Ancellotti is in the conversation at last.

I see there is also mention of Gallardo (doubtful) and Marcelino.

I hope this is true and we are finally showing some ambition and not taking the easy and lazy option (which Kenwright normally does) of reappointing Moyes.

Christy Ring
102 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:58:05
Looking at Pereira's CV, apart from success in mickey mouse leagues, Portugal and Greece, where it's always between 3 clubs, his last 2 clubs before he went to China, he's been sacked by Fenerbache after 13 mths, and relegated with 1860 Munich. So can anyone see any improvement in the candidates the board want at Everton.
Steve Ferns
103 Posted 06/12/2019 at 15:59:59
Christy, I read some more about 1860, they were in Bundesliga 2 and got relegated to the 3rd tier! So this is a guy who is akin to Chris Coleman who is now unemployable at the top level after his heroics at Wales for taking Sunderland down to the third tier despite not being in charge for the full season!
Jack Convery
104 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:13:14
Experience of the EPL is a must given where we are in the League right now. No over complicated tactics just straight forward back to basics. Defend as if your life depends on it and put the chances way when they arrive. Football ts so simple on paper isn't it. This guy is a no from me given facts / figures etc from previous contributors. I'd hold my nose and give it to Rafa if he wants it but Moyes no way please - been there done that etc etc.
Iakovos Iasonidis
105 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:13:37
why the hell we continually look for former olympiacos managers is beyond me...
Jay Harris
106 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:26:00
Ancellotti, Marcelino or Ten Hag for me.

That shows ambition.

Any appointment just to avoid relegation is not looking to the future.

Jack Convery
107 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:29:07
Sky tell us the country needs Boris and Everton need Moyes. No !!! What Sky needs is closing down asap so we are all spared the shit they pump out every day. Everton need experience and someone who when he walks into the club has the players and the fans saying WOW !!! Whens the next match ??
Christy Ring
108 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:30:38
I'd still love an approach for Arteta.
Jack Convery
109 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:35:48
Has Remi Garde been suggested ? Its that kind of appointment I fear EFC are about to make.
Jamie Crowley
110 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:50:04
This Jardim fella I know nothing about, but there's a lot of respectable TWers who seem to think he'd be a good appointment, and that's good enough for me.

For me, I still want us to break the bank and go for Ten Hag. Anyone who's watched Ajax would drool at the prospect of him coming to Everton.

As James Marshall pointed out above, you just never can tell. There's been some damn good managers who go to Clubs with big fanfare, only to shit the bed, then move on and be very successful at another Club. There's some weird, cosmic juju thing that goes on. So whomever we name, I just hope the football gods smile on us.

As long as it's not some small-time or repeat appointment, everyone just needs to circle the wagons, get behind the new fella, and pray to God he's here for 10 years building a winner.

Steve Ferns
111 Posted 06/12/2019 at 16:56:50
Jamie, Ten Haag is not walking away from this years Champions' League campaign. Who knows how far they can go? It all depends where he is, they are, and we are, in the summer.
Phil Wood
112 Posted 06/12/2019 at 17:42:31
Pereira!!!!!!!!
Another punt in the dark for a Saviour.
This is insanity. We will be an even bigger laughing stock as we fall out the Premiership on the whim of a delusional Board decision.
I don't pretend to know the perfect candidate for this job but I'm pretty certain it won't be this guy.
Mark Guglielmo
113 Posted 06/12/2019 at 17:46:07
Re: ten Hag

It's been widely reported that Bayern Munich has him at the top of their list, and in the past 24 hours their Board ruled Poch out (with an inability to speak German noted as 1 of the reasons). If you didn't know, ten Hag was on the coaching staff at Bayern when Pep was their manager.

Both Ajax and ten Hag himself haven't ruled out any move, including to Bayern, but are on record as saying nothing would be entertained until the summer. According to Bild (the most respected Bayern football rumor site), he's 1 of 2 managers they'll seriously go after in the summer (PSG's Tuchel the other).

I'd love ten Hag too, but it's hard to envision a scenario where he'd both leave Ajax and then choose us over the German powerhouse.

Derek Knox
114 Posted 06/12/2019 at 19:16:13
Mark @ 113, yes he would be a major coup and one that most of us would relish, but in reality we have more chance, being where we are and who we are on the Bigger Stage, of picking up Ten Hags. (oh shit! forgot the Grafton is shut these days)
Mark Guglielmo
115 Posted 06/12/2019 at 19:21:38
Derek, maybe if we all flew to Amsterdam and asked him nicely? I'm all set on hags, though.
Steve Ferns
116 Posted 06/12/2019 at 20:53:51
I decided to have a closer look at Vitor Pereira as above I just gave my memories of the man and memories, even if you jog them with a quick look over Wikipedia, can be wrong.

So here's some research on Pereira's time at Porto looking at the Champions League. First off season 2011/12 he faced a group with Shaktar, APOEL Nicosia and Zenit SP. Now that's the dream group for Porto, as UEFA Cup holders they were top seeds and they avoided any big 5 league sides. So how did they do?

0-0 (h) D with Zenit (then managed by Luciano Spalletti)
2-0 (a) W over Shaktar (then managed by Lucescu)
1-2 (a) L to APOEL
1-1 (h) D with APOEL
1-3 (a) L to Zenit
2-1 (h) W over Shaktar
So 3rd in the group, and failed because they couldn't beat the Cypriots home or away. Losing to the Russians or the Ukranians away is understandable. It was as bad (for my mates funny) as I remember

So they made the Europa League where they lost 2-1 against Man City at home and then got thrashed 4-0 away. This was Mancini's Man City with Sami Nasri, Gaz Barry and Joleon Lescott playing.

Onto the following season, and a little better. The group is PSG, Dynamo Zagreb, and Dynamo Kiev. So not a bad group, but this was early Qatar PSG. There was Zlatan, Verartti and Javier Pastore, but not the superstars of today.

1-2 (a) L to PSG (managed by Ancelotti)
3-0 (h) W over Zagreb
0-0 (a) D with Kiev
3-2 (h) W over Kiev
1-0 (h) W over PSG
2-0 (a) W over Zagreb
So good campaign, 4 wins 1 draw 1 defeat, 13 points 2nd in the group. For a side 2nd in the group, a tie with Pellegrini's Malaga was very favourable.

1st Leg: Link
2nd Leg: Link

Watch these two games and you'll see Pereira's Porto in all their glory and their flaws (his flaws) exposed.

Tony Hill
117 Posted 06/12/2019 at 20:59:38
Thing is, Steve, until someone arrives, you just don't know how it's going to fit. Big names may fail, lesser names may flourish.

That's the biggest problem with stats: they don't tell you about the intangible and the entirely unpredictable, the messy factors that go to make up sporting success.

Not that I have a clue about Pereira.

Steve Ferns
118 Posted 06/12/2019 at 21:26:15
No, Tony. Silva managed Everton, but for my money we never really saw a proper Marco Silva side. We saw brief glimpses of what he was capable of against Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea. But we never saw his 433, we never saw a sustained period where we built up a head of steam and won game after game.

But back to Pereira, I saw his Porto side, and they were league champions the two seasons I watched them. A very good side, that had very good players. They dominated sides, losing just once in the league in his two seasons. They were able to beat Benfica in the penultimate game of the second season to come from behind in the league and win the league by a point. So kudos for that, but I think you need to look at when he didn't have a superior team to everyone else, and that is in the Champions' League and his record there is very mixed. It's not a case of looking at stats, it's looking at games. Which is what I did above, no stats involved.

I saw all the big games as they happened, including this one as described above Link where Pereira gets one over on Jorge Jesus' Benfica and goes nuts on the pitch. It was probably this that then spurred Jesus on to reclaim the league title for Benfica for the next two seasons.

If you watch Porto in the two links in the Malaga game above you'll see that they dominated the 1st leg and should have been out of sight, not 1-0, they then dominated the 1st half of the 2nd leg before conceding and Pellegrini's side scored a great winner from Isco, but Pereira's side were too open, too naïve and that should cause you concern if he came to Everton.

Steve Ferns
119 Posted 06/12/2019 at 21:42:38
BTW Riley, if you read this, I think I proved you right that I am the dullest man on ToffeeWeb, watching highlights of Champions League games from 2011 wondering about parallels that can be drawn for an appointment I have no control over.

Come on Marcel, gizza job, I can do that, come on giz it.

Seems Pereira has abandoned the old Porto 433 in China. Here's an article if you are interested. Link

Here's the important part if you cannot be arsed:

"Victor Pereira, therefore, has somewhat of a dilemma on his hands. The majority of goals for Shanghai come on the counter attack. However, they also concede a large majority of goals in transition moments after a failed counter attack. What seems to be their strength is also their weakness. It will be interesting to follow how the Portuguese manager aims to improve this problem over the coming weeks."

Now that could be Marco Silva's Everton we are talking about, only without the scoring on the counter. Pressing high up the pitch, committing men forward and leaving the defence completely exposed if the rapid counter breaks down.

Tony Hill
120 Posted 06/12/2019 at 21:47:49
Steve, there are too many variables to draw large conclusions. That's my point. I think.
Steve Ferns
121 Posted 06/12/2019 at 21:55:36
Large conclusions for sure. But you can watch a few games, do a bit of research on coaching etc and quickly find out if a manager probably won't work or might work.

So in the case of Pereira, he won 3 leagues in a row. 2 in Portugal and 1 in Greece and barely lost a domestic game. Sounds brilliant, doesn't it. Delve a bit deeper and you can see actually, there's some problems there, and he just won because he had the best players in a team that had won the league the season before. So strip away his superiority and see what's left. The Champions League performances give cause for concern in 2011/12, better in 2012/13 with the win over PSG, but naivety there for all to see in the 2nd Leg of the Malaga game.

Tony, wouldn't you say you could give a good opinion of whether Pochettino would be a good fit for Everton?

Eric Paul
122 Posted 06/12/2019 at 21:56:04
Steve
Do you actually watch and take an interest in all these leagues where we get our current and future players/ managers from or do you do a lot of interweb research. Whichever it is respect for your dedication.
Steve Ferns
123 Posted 06/12/2019 at 21:57:23
No Eric, just Portugal and England, mainly Sporting (Lisbon) and Everton.
Eric Paul
124 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:02:43
Steve
You appear to have a good knowledge of South America also
Trevor Peers
125 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:06:16
Why would Moshiri be interested in this guy Steve ? It baffles me after reading about him, he sounds totally unsuitable to be even considered.
Steve Ferns
126 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:13:38
Eric, no. Sam Hoare knows his stuff and he's been going on about Gallardo for a while now, so I tried to find out as much as I can. There's lots written about him. Still only seen Libertadores highlights and no live games of River. Not since I was a kid and Channel 5 showed the games and Saviola played for them, anyway.

Trevor, I don't think he is. In 2013 Pereira used a flirtation with Everton to try and get a better job, being linked with a few other Premier League clubs. We went for Martinez and he pissed off to Saudi Arabia, for the money.

Now he's in China, in Andre Villas Boas' old job (once more). He's come to the end of his time there and his agent is trying to get him into the mix for Everton and Arsenal. It's apparently the same Agent who represents Mark Hughes and tried to get him in the mix also.

The betting odds are drifting, which is a good sign. However, there's a new name in the frame and I've mentioned him several times now, and no, not the Portuguese gardener, Andre Villas Boas. Remember him, the ex-racing car driver? He's only 42, can you believe that? Anyway, he's took over Marseille and sorted them out and their 2nd in Ligue 1. Rudi Garcia couldn't get a tune out of them and only got 5th last season. Seems far too early for AVB to leave them and come back to the PL.

Trevor Peers
127 Posted 06/12/2019 at 22:49:12
Thanks for the info on Pereira, Steve. Looks like that won't happen, thankfully.

I assume you're talking about Jardim, when you say there's a new name in the frame. Seem to remember him being sacked then reinstated at Monaco when Theirry Henry had his brief flirtation with management, what a disaster that was.

Tony Hill
128 Posted 06/12/2019 at 23:25:52
Steve @121, actually, no, I don't think I could say with confidence that Pochettino would be a good fit for us. You'd think he should be, but that's my very point. Life is too slippery for us.

Of course, we have to make decisions as best we can (which is where your data/observations come in) but our best guesses are only guesses and sometimes things work out beautifully (or fail catastrophically) for no discernible reason at all.

I'm fascinated by the operation of circumstance/chance in life, including sport, and I have no coherent view of it, by definition. But it makes fools of us all.

Rob Dolby
129 Posted 06/12/2019 at 09:57:56
We just have to hope that Dunc gets us to mid table and that Brands buys a couple of hardworking midfielders in January.

If and it's a big if Moshiri is serious about progressing us he will be looking at champions League managers who have a point to prove.

The other managers available are the usual suspects who are short term at best along with maybe national team managers.

Personally I would like us to go for Ten Haag after Ajax go out of the champo league. There is also a massive Evertonian and best English player of his generation just starting up at Derby County who would jump at the chance of managing us. Bringing with him an international profile and passion for our club.

Nicholas Ryan
130 Posted 08/12/2019 at 11:06:24
Steve Ferns clearly has a deep knowledge of football in Portugal. If he then produces a detailed analysis, of why a Portuguese manager is not good enough... then I think we can accept, he's not good enough.


Then …. Derek [54] 'I'd rather he threw his ring in his hat...'. Wonderful, just wonderful!!

David Israel
131 Posted 08/12/2019 at 12:41:23
Steve #19,

I have been doing some checking and I found that Porto were Portuguese Champions 29 times, to Sporting's 18, and that Sporting haven't won the Portuguese league since 2002 and only been Champions on four occasions in the past forty years.

Therefore, I find it odd that you should say that Porto are that country's third club. From what I hear, even in terms of support, they are not behind Sporting.

Robert Tressell
132 Posted 08/12/2019 at 13:01:50
Steve F. Keep up the dull work. ToffeeWeb needs you. And I think you might have got the right job spec for the manager's job: turd polisher wanted.

Jardim might be right – others in different ways include Dyche and Genesio. That's why Ancelloti is wrong for us.

ps: You weren't once the brains behind The Executioners Bong, were you?

David Israel
133 Posted 08/12/2019 at 17:17:01
Another thing, Steve: Porto won the league five times in a row, yes, but BEFORE Mourinho (two of those titles were under Bobby Robson, btw). They later won four on the trot, after Mourinho.
Kevin Dyer
134 Posted 09/12/2019 at 07:28:23
Just read that apparently his Chinese club are trying to extend his current enormous contract, so looks like these links to us are part of that negotiation. The Chinese seem shrewd operators generally so no clue why they think this mediocre manager is worth the eye-watering numbers I've seen thrown about speculating on his wages.
Steve Ferns
135 Posted 09/12/2019 at 08:56:03
David, Porto had one more title than sporting the last time that sporting won the league in 2002. If you look Porto has had a lot of success since the 80’s, and particularly the 90’S and 00’s and 10’s.

We Evertonians remember, those of us old enough, that when we last won the league in 1987, we had more titles than Man Utd.

We know that you really need to sustain that success over a very long period of time to erode the fanbase.

Sporting are from Lisbon. Lisbon is either green or red. The rest of the country follows suit and people all seem to follow one of the Lisbon sides. The kids seem to follow the family tradition or even support the local side.

Glory hunting you might say, but they do do this but it’s changed. They all support a premier league side. I always ask If Sporting played Chelsea or Man Utd who would you support. The answer is always the English side!

They nearly all have a Spanish side and it seemed to depend whether you loved or hated Cristiano Ronaldo Aveiro or not.

Obviously I have a small sample size. I haven’t been out and surveyed everyone. Dunno if Jay Wood has a comment.

Anthony Murphy
136 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:06:49
Sky Sports now reporting we want him in place before the weekend.
Dave Brierley
137 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:17:47
Fuckin hell, some of you boys need to get a job. Where do you get the time to be 24 hour 'experts'?
Steve Ferns
138 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:21:05
It looks like Arsenal are eyeing Gallardo now, so Marcelino is very interested in us, meaning it looks like a straight choice between Marcelino and Pereira. Marcelino for me between the two, but I had hoped for Gallardo.
Brent Stephens
139 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:24:13
Steve, how do you know Marcelino is now very interested in us?
Steve Ferns
140 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:25:31
Actually Brent there’s conflicting reports. I think they’re making it up as they go along and I need to stop paying attention to Twitter!
Brent Stephens
141 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:27:04
My learned friend should know better!

Watching U23s. Getting clobbered by Leicester. 2 down.

David Thomas
142 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:33:51
Dave 137 exactly mate the usual suspects on here are acting as if they are in the know when all they are doing is just repeating every baseless rumour that pops up every five minutes on twitter or some obscure foreign website.
Steve Ferns
143 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:39:14
We're away aren't we Brent? And I certainly should!

David, who here says they are in the know? And why can't we discuss "every baseless rumour" if we want to. I happen to think that this managerial appointment is a pivotal one in the stewardship of Farad Moshiri and has much significance after the failures of the last 3. Forgive me for being on tenterhooks here.

Brent Stephens
144 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:41:31
Away Steve. Leicester tv
Steve Ferns
145 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:43:13
Who's the central midfield? Iversen and Adeniran?
Brent Stephens
146 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:46:46
Yes and was with Evans and Gordon with Simms alone up front. Simms off and Gordon and Evans now more advanced. Gordon just scored penalty.
Steve Ferns
147 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:50:18
Game on eh Brent? I hope Iversen is looking alright, he missed the start of the season with injury, didn't he? Also an 18 year old with a bright future.
Brent Stephens
148 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:52:49
Nobody at all has stood out, apart from Con Ouzounidis making tackle after tackle. Though he did give away the pen that was saved.
David Israel
149 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:29:12
Steve #135, thank you for your input.

I'm aware of the fact that Portuguese football fans tend to support the three big clubs, but Benfica seem to be the only one of the three with a significant presence everywhere in the country. There are, apparently, not many Sporting fans in the north, or Porto fans in the south.

This odd phenomenon also seems to be present across the border in Spain, especially in the case of Real Madrid, and in Italy with Juventus. It all beats me. Can you imagine an Arsenal supporter on Merseyside?

Steve Ferns
150 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:58:54
David, Benfica are clearly the big team in the country of Portugal. I think people underestimate how big Portugal is. For example, I cycled from Faro to Sagres (where they make the beer) and this is pretty much the width of the country and only 80 miles or so, and I think it's about 100-120 miles wide.

However, from Sagres to Porto it's about 400 miles. And there's still a chunk of the north to go before you hit Galicia, Spain. I've never been north of Lisbon. But the north is, in football terms dominated by Porto, I think. The middle and the south by Lisbon. The south was underpopulated, but then tourism came and the Algarve became one of the places to go, and so the Lisboetas emigrated south to chase the influx of wealth and took their football teams with them. There's no teams down south at all. We had Farense (Faro), Louletano (Loule), Olhanense (Olhao), and Portimonense (Portimao - where Madilyn McCann went missing). They built a beautiful stadium in the Algarve for the Euros, and it's a great white elephant. They tried to get the above sides to play there, whenever they make the top flight. The first three are close enough but Portimonense are too far away. All of the clubs see their mediocre attendances drop. For example Farense get about 3,000 and the Algarve Stadium holds 30,000. So it's just not feasible at all. They tried and failed to get a new side (Algarve United - to be supported by British ex-pats of which there is well over 200,000 across the Algarve), even discussed a merger of the Algarve clubs but this was heavily opposed. Gibraltar played there for a few years too. Now it's only really used for Portugal in the odd game, and for pre-season tours like Everton had recently.

The League Cup is not very popular in Portugal. So they came up with a novel way to boost it's popularity, and is something we could consider here. They have a group stage (yawn) but after that they get down to the knockouts and play the semi's and the final in a few days of each other, and play it at the Algrave Stadium or most recently, in Braga. In 2017, I went to the Semi-final and saw Benfica beaten sensationally by Moreirense who then went on to win the final. The stadium was empty, even for Benfica! You then had a surreal final without any of the big 3 and a crowd that was barely (English) League 2 standard!

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