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Everton make contact with Emery

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Everton have reportedly made an approach to former Arsenal boss Unai Emery about filling the vacancy left by Marco Silva's dismissal last week.

Sky Sports claim that contact has been made with the Spaniard who was himself sacked recently for a sub-par run of results that, combined with Freddie Ljungberg's two matches in charge constitutes the Gunners' worst run since 1977.

Emery made his name with his cup success at Seville and took the reins at Paris St Germain before joining Arsenal.



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Jay Harris
1 Posted 09/12/2019 at 14:46:24
Originally I really wanted Emery when Silva was appointed but I have to say he did not live up to expectations at Arsenal and I do not think he is the right man in our current predicament.
Peter Jansson
2 Posted 09/12/2019 at 14:53:54
No Emery, please not Emery. That would be worse than Silva. Come on, for fuck's sake.
Tony Abrahams
3 Posted 09/12/2019 at 14:55:32
The team that can’t win away from home are after Emery?
Steve Ferns
4 Posted 09/12/2019 at 14:57:48
He'd be an interesting one Jay. Before Arsenal got him he would have been something of a coup. He's been portrayed as something of a wet lettuce at times. He's a Basque.

He had an undistinguished playing career and fought his way to the top by taking a 3rd tier side to the 2nd tier for the first time ever, then jumped clubs to a bigger second tier side (Almeria) and got them up and promoted, then took over Valencia from Koeman. They were in a right mess financially and he made them competitive (as in qualified for Europe) regardless. He took them to 3rd twice. Then he moved to Russia where he was sacked.

He returned to Spain and Seville where he did very well, winning 3 consecutive Europa League titles. Then he went to PSG where he won every trophy going (all 4 trophies in one season) except finishing 2nd to Leo Jardim's Monaco in his first season (but still won both Cup, League Cup, and Super Cup). His career win % is well over 50% and he's never dropped below 46% at any club, even in Russia and his win % for arsenal was 55%.

I agree with you though Jay. Despite his credentials saying what a great manager he is. We just need a more forceful personality.

Ben Jones
5 Posted 09/12/2019 at 14:58:00
I would personally take him.

I get he didn’t do well at Arsenal and he has some part to blame with that. He was good at Sevilla and still achieved success at PSG.

Expectations aren’t as high here and to be fair he probably has centre backs to work with here than at Arsenal!!

Not my first choice but I’d take him.

James Marshall
6 Posted 09/12/2019 at 14:58:54
The Internet currently says this is not happening.
Stephen Davies
7 Posted 09/12/2019 at 14:59:30
Has the Hierarchy learned nothing from Saturday?

https://members.boardhost.com/peoplesforum/msg/1575902923.html

Adrian Evans
8 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:05:10
For Christ's sake, everyone's talking about go get this manager, that manager. We got one for the minute.

Tell Duncan to go buy Keiffer Moore from Wigan??? He's going to the Euro's. He was a handfull for top defenders, they couldn't play him.

Take a look at Pickfords bombs he drops in the opposition's box from the deck or hand. Him and Calvert-Lewin up front with Richarlison going where he wants.

Tell me what a torrid time Man Utd would have, any side in the Premier League, if we go away from home and make it a physical ariel battle when we choose to?

But we have also got quality on the deck. I watched this lad, he's got quality playing a particular way. Options, we got physical up top Saturday, nowt wrong with that. Play on the deck against Man Utd next Sunday, they will kill us. Make it a part aerial battle, two up top. Sidibe is physical to.

So go get Keiffer Moore, on a contract, give us options even if it's away from home if we don't fancy the aerial route. But play up to him it sticks and he is a bit of a Crouch, remember him, yes please.

Oh, get us a Gravesen for the middle and a Jags for the back and see what Dunc can do. I bet we are better than mid table.

Jay Harris
9 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:06:24
Steve,

I think we need a strong personality who will stand up to Kenwright and Brands and take no shit from the players.

I believe this was Silva's main undoing He was too nice a guy and did not stand up for himself enough.

Steve Ferns
10 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:13:42
Jay, I heard Curtis Davies and a few other ex-players coming on the radio to support him. Best manager we ever worked with they all said. Curtis Davies conceded your point though. He said Hull were desperate and Silva had ideas and they all bought in 100%. He then said that the Everton players must not have done that. If Silva wanted to do a throw in 25 times from each side of the pitch, then maybe they just switched off.

so maybe you are right. Maybe he did not get through to the players or could not get them to buy in, maybe he needed more time to get players that would and rid of the players that wouldn't. Who knows? Maybe he is just not cut out for the big egos? The fact that no one ever has a bad word to say about him might be down to just that.

So, maybe someone like Pereira, who lacks Silva's coaching, and can get done on tactics, has the balls to just force his will on the players. So maybe, whilst Leo Jardim is perfect for Everton in nearly every way, is not the man for the job as he lacks the big personality?

Gaute Lie
11 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:20:32
Well. I don't really want this guy. And after Duncan Ferguson surprised med With the best game we played for a long time I say maybe HE is Our guy.

Even though he's a big bully and has been working for the last three unsuccessful managers, we all saw spirit in the team vs Chelsea. Perhaps there is more to Dunc than what I imagined. I don't care how he did it, but he surely made Our players play With an aim to win.

Give Dunc some time, and then we can look somewhere else if it does not turn out. But for now, I say Dunc has earned himself a chance to be Our manager on a regular basis.

Andrew Dempsey
12 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:28:46
This guy is a loser, he came second in the League with PSG, when Monaco won it. With PSG you should be winning the title by 20 points, minimum. It's a grim style of football this guy plays, and he has absolutely no charisma or charm. But apart from that, I'm sure he'll do a great job and we'll all take to him and welcome him with open arms!

Give me a name of someone with the equivalent animal magnetism of Big Dunc, and I'll consider his appointment. That person isn't out there.We already have our manager. Simeone, I believe, could not function outside of Atletico. Duncan is our Diego Simeone. Wake up and realise this!

Gary Goodwin
13 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:29:37
The Express has it that Moshiri is looking at:
Jardim
Rangnick
ten Hag
Christopher Timmins
14 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:39:02
Gary @ 13

I would be a lot happier if the Express was saying that Brands rather than Moshiri was looking at the above candidates.

Gary Goodwin
15 Posted 09/12/2019 at 15:55:21
Christopher @ 14, That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw it. Surely he's learnt from his previous decisions?
Jack Convery
16 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:12:25
Not Emery. He's been found wanting. If Brands has been sidestepped which I suspect given all this Moshiri wants stuff in the media: I'm wondering if he will stick around. Everton did a Brexit on Saturday - leave all the foreign coaching stuff and get back to British Values ie - they don't like it up em !! and the thing is they didn't !!
Jamie Crowley
17 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:24:45
I'm in the Big Dunc crew.

I'd not do a single thing until the Big Dunc momentum wears off. It will, and when it does, make the switch then.

Stephen Karnes
18 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:32:31
The people on here saying we should hire Duncan Ferguson after 1 match need a reality check.
Martin Berry
19 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:35:43
He lost the dressing room at PSG and Arsenal and would not have long at Everton.

A definite no!

Steve Ferns
20 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:37:50
Jamie, what do you mean? Are you suggesting we give it to Duncan Ferguson until he loses? Then once he loses we then look for a new manager? Is he "sacked" whilst we do this?

If Gallardo is told this, he might sign a new deal with River and we can't get him. Marcelino might be ready to come but chooses Arsenal. Pereira might sign the deal with Shanghai or the Chinese national side. So for this folly, we might lose out on the candidates we have lined up.

This "caretaker bounce" was evidence for Solksjaer, and United wish they'd not been so premature now. If we can appoint a real quality candidate we should do so.

James Stewart
21 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:38:16
A big no!
Ian Jones
22 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:39:52
Why not just go for Duncan Ferguson as Manager with David Moyes as Assistant Manager, Wayne Rooney as Coach. Have to keep our Chairman happy.

It's no more ridiculous than some of the managers the media are suggesting. I also note Phil McNulty has gone quiet on the BBC website.

Christopher Morris
23 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:44:12
Adrian (8), comments around Tommy Gravesen. I was astounded we never went in for Aaron Mooy in the summer.

Closest I've seen to Gravesen and a better player than him. Gets up and down, creative. We have to start buying players in the Everton mould and getting a manager to fit that. High energy, passionate, all-action football.

I'm on the fence on whether Ferguson is ready but by god I love him and he took us all back to what the heart and soul of our club is ALL ABOUT. No more passengers, half-baked, half-arsed appointments.

Brian Williams
24 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:49:50
Rather go for their kid, Dick!
Andrew Dempsey
25 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:50:54
How do you know foreign managers are ‘real quality candidates'?

People are living in a fantasy world about the potential of these managers who's names always crop up on here. The latest Great Latin Hope is Gallardo. That's a new one, not heard that name before. All of a sudden, he's the man though.

After the broadcast of that massively over-rated and actually quite backward in standard, Copa Libertadores. All of a sudden, a guy whose name has never been mentioned on here before, he's the man to save us is he? He'd struggle to adapt, just like any manager we appoint would. Even Klopp had a hard time over there at first.

Duncan is the right man at the right time, see how the next five games go and then appoint him till May, no need to over think this, it's the right move.

Dave Williams
26 Posted 09/12/2019 at 16:59:01
It seems pretty clear to me that journalists everywhere are speculating with no actual knowledge of who is on any shortlist. Agents are no doubt doing their job and feeding the press with stories of approaches being made.

I would not attach any credibility to any speculation at the moment. If we see a similar performance against Man Utd and a positive result then the Board will have to look more closely at Duncan.

Personally I would much prefer him over yet another foreigner who has had some success in a smaller league but hasn't a clue about the Premier League. Build a decent team of people around him. I can't imagine he wouldn't be better than Silva, Sam or Koeman.

As for the comments about OGS at Man Utd, he is starting to improve them but he lacks the motivational abilities of Duncan. What makes people think a bloke from overseas with no Premier League experience and possibly a limited grasp of English will be any better than Silva? I can see a few reasons why Duncan could be a lot better!

Brian Harrison
27 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:09:45
Andrew 25

I absolutely agree with every word, guys come on this site making all sorts of claims about different foreign managers, wonderful thing this Wikipedia. On Saturday I saw a man who got this team playing in the style that the fans love to see. No centre backs inside the area for goal kicks, or not each centre back either side of the 18 yard box. Ferguson realised what Silva and Koeman failed to recognise in Mina and Keane they are not capable or comfortable playing out from the back.

One of DCLs strengths is in the air so it makes perfect sense to try and hit him from a goal kick, also were our previous managers played with DCL up on his own Ferguson knew he needed help to get the best out of him, and it worked by playing Richarlison next to him.

I have no idea if Duncan Ferguson is the answer for the long term, but seeing Unsworth was given a run of games to see if he was up to the job, surely after Saturday Ferguson should be a given a chance to see if he can make it work. At least it seems he can motivate this lot and that is more than Silva or Koeman seemed to manage. Yes I know they both won games but not with the same passion as we did on Saturday.

Bill Gienapp
28 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:09:47
No thanks. Of course he won those three straight Europa League titles with Sevilla, but their domestic campaigns were never that impressive.

He basically did the bare minimum with a ridiculously loaded PSG side (i.e. losing the title to Monaco one year and making no in-roads in the Champions League) and ultimately flopped at Arsenal while barely moving the needle with the fanbase and falling out with several high-profile players.

What's more, if you're looking for what Ferguson brought on Saturday, he's basically the complete opposite - less charismatic than Silva, he wouldn't connect with the fans at all.

Dave Williams
29 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:10:38
Carsley, Weir, Stubbs, Irvine would all be good assistants with experience.
Simon Eastham
30 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:14:44
I'd say keep the big fella in the job until after the Newcastle game and see where we are then. Passion from the manager and the crowd worked at the weekend, let's see how long that can last.
Aarron Stobie
31 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:17:34
Whilst Emery has more than proved himself abroad at Sevilla I just cannot see him being the man for the future.

There are some positives considering he fits are play style. But he can’t speak fluent English and thats not good in a very foreign Everton team.

If he gets the job we need to forget his past at Arsenal and really get behind him and the team.

Keith Ronson
32 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:19:01
Just looked at the Echo's list of possible Managers, can't say I really like the sound of any of them. Too many have done little or won things in minor European Leagues and have been sacked but previous Clubs. Hardly inspiring!
John Kavanagh
33 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:26:25
We'd be better off with Dick Emery.

Next!

Ed Prytherch
34 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:27:08
Keep Count Dracula away from Everton.
Jay Harris
35 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:29:14
I'm afraid I am not getting carried away on the "Big Dunc" euphoria and thankfully neither is he.

His personality and energy made the difference on Saturday (ably assisted by some Kamikaze defending by Chelsea) but Dunc doesn't have the experience or the tactical maturity that is necessary to build a team for the top 6.

I know we are a million miles off that now but a resurgence of confidence will help the players.

Uncertainty does nobody any good and therefore the club needs to come out with a statement this week announcing the new manager or confirming Someone as interim manager until the "right" man is available.

My shortlist would have Ancellotti, Ten Hag, Marcelino, Gallardo and Rangnick in it and I would prefer to wait until a manager of this calibre is available than knee jerk.

I think it is also important for Brands to do a thorough analysis of the suitability of the man and is listened to by the board.

Andrew Dempsey
36 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:34:41
Brian,

I just pray we win this weekend and keep Duncan in the job.

Not felt like this for ages. We don't need to temper these feelings and be realistic about the situation. We need to go with the momentum Big Dunc has sparked into life, out of nowhere, out of the Blues, if you will. Sorry.

If this feels so good, why fight it? Go with it.

Dave Williams
37 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:41:14
Well Duncan had plenty of tactical maturity on Saturday Jay. He picked a 4-4-2, dispensed with pointless passing so we didn't get into trouble, used Pickford's kicking ability, put Richarlison much closer to Calvert-Lewin,and made a good substitution with Tom on for Richarlison.

He has accumulated some decent experience working under four quite different managers and is no youngster- he is on his way up whereas a lot of the guys mentioned in the media look like they may be on their way down.

I'm not saying he is the man at this stage but if he does it again at Old Trafford, then he warrants serious consideration on the lines you quite rightly suggest in your last paragraph.

Andrew Dempsey
38 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:42:48
What is ‘tactical maturity' Jay? I'm interested, what does that actually mean?

I think it was tactically astute to play two strikers up front. Brendan Rogers did it against Villa, was praised widely. I think Duncan can see that two strikers playing up front could be coming back into fashion in the Premier League, it's so refreshing, and it clearly works!

Jimmy Hogan
39 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:45:14
Just like Moyes he's on a downward spiral. Not a winner at either PSG or Arsenal. I don't know if it's just me, but I can't stand his horrible greasy hair either. And I'm not being racist. Arteta has lovely hair.
Soren Moyer
40 Posted 09/12/2019 at 17:56:50
He is damaged goods. Next!
Ian Grant
41 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:01:17
Just what we need, another manager with a dreadful Premier League record.

Marco Silva did what it said on the tin, 3 PL clubs, 3 fails.
Keith Gleave
42 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:02:04
Duncan did well against Chelsea. He stopped the pointless passing and partnered Calvert-Lewin upfront. Let's not forget, one win does not make a Champions League team.

I have no problem in letting Dunc run things until another candidate is found.

Mike Gwyer
43 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:12:41

Keith Gleave

Problem we have here is that Dunc let us, match day going blues, have a taste of what is possible.

Players tackling, passion, pride and crowd enticement by both Duncan and the Everton players on the pitch. We mopped it up and for me, I want it again and again and again, I want it at every game at Goodison.

The next manager MUST be able to galvanize the players and get the crowd to support the team from the 1st minute to the 90th minute. For me, I just don't see European managers doing that.


Tony Everan
44 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:20:48
No to Emery, he will be reeling from his torrid time at Arsenal and he needs time to regroup.

Unless it is Pochettino or Nuno Espirito Santo, stick with Duncan until the summer. What the team needs now is what he brought to the table on Saturday. Simplicity, understanding, teamwork and passion the 4-4-2, Richarlison playing off Calvert-Lewin worked very well and will get better still. The players were running through brick walls for him, Moshiri and Brands should not dismiss that connection quickly and also the ability of Duncan to exploit it.

There is no need to take risks on Emery or Pereira, and most certainly no need for Moyes.

Bill Rodgers
45 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:22:30
Let's get this straight: Ferguson has been the first team coach for five and a half during which time we have witnessed almost a complete absence of commitment and professionalism from a succession of both home-grown and imported losers. If it was the manager(s) then where was the massive personality and forceful assertiveness to shake them up. Was he unable to stir these players - all of them - from their lethargy? Was he a bstander for over 5 years of utter crap?

Or did it all change on Satrurday? Was it a magical, mystical transformation or an emotional one-off when we caught CFC on an off day?

Don't get me wrong, I hope Big Dunc gets the job and we return EFC to the 1990s. I can think of nothing else that will finally bring Evertonians to their senses.

Dave Williams
46 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:24:49
Bill- he could hardly usurp his bosses and take it on himself to encourage and motivate could he?
Steve Ferns
47 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:26:05
Return to the ‘90s? Okay, we won a cup but we spent too much time battling relegation. I'd rather return to the success of the ‘80s if we've got a choice about it!
Joe McMahon
48 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:27:48
He did win Europa, but I'm not sure. That said rather him than Moyes or Unsworth. I still in the see how Duncan does for a while before such a huge decision is made. That said if we prise Ajax manager?
Bill Gienapp
49 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:34:33
I would love it if Ferguson could steer us safely to the summer, particularly given the mostly uninspired names that are being linked with the job (the only ones that potentially excite me are Gallardo and possibly Jardim - plus ten Hag, but he ain't coming midseason).

That being said, I think at the bare minimum, we have to see how he copes with a tough road fixture against United, where he won't have the energy of the crowd to fall back on. This weekend will tell us a lot.

Paul Tran
50 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:37:05
Of course we're going to be linked with him. He's just been sacked and we're not as 'good' as Arsenal, are we?

Another clever dick poor communicator who confuses and demotivates players. That's nothing to do with being 'foreign' by the way.

Big swerve from me.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

51 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:43:20
I'll echo Dave @ 35. Duncan showed plenty of 'tactical maturity' or simple pragmatism if you prefer in how he set the team up and fired them up on Saturday.

His down to earthness was echoed in his post match interview on the club site.

When asked about playing 2 strikers together up front, he answered with a two word question of his own:

"Why not?"

Why not indeed, unless you insist on strictly adhering to some modern day football mantra that dictates it's 'old hat' and no longer works.

Dave Older
52 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:43:42
This is a wind up right?? NO THANK YOU!!!!
Pat Kelly
53 Posted 09/12/2019 at 18:48:52
Would it be easier to list those we haven't approached ? And no one has agreed to take the job yet.

I suspect Big Dunc has made preemptive calls to them to let them know he knows where they live.

Colin Glassar
54 Posted 09/12/2019 at 19:00:28
April Fool's? This has to be a joke, right? The guy was an unmitigated disaster at Arsenal.

Not only do we get their worst rejects ie Walcott and Iwobi, now we are linked to their former manager who was even more useless, and unintelligible, than Silva!!

Jerome Shields
55 Posted 09/12/2019 at 19:04:00
This is all agents' talk positioning themselves in the market, in my opinion. I think it will be a while before Everton actually appoint anyone.

But Dunc has given them a breathing space, so that the Board can actually start a proper process, which they should have been working on months ago.

Rob Halligan
56 Posted 09/12/2019 at 19:08:03
The FSW has just said on the Monday Night Football he will not be returning to the Premier League any time soon. So he's definitely ruled out.
Paul Birmingham
57 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:01:37
I don't see any mileage other than media BS, which is always there in heaps with matter football.

I hope the board do take their time and if required wait for the right manager, to be recruited by the Everton board.

I'd take Ancellotti, Borrussias Manager, but the manager must be a good people manager, which I see as a failing with Marco Silva, being too timid and polite to be a premier league manager.

Onwards and upwards and let's see who available for Sunday. Nice to focus on a match, not been this relaxed for some time.

Surely this time the board must consult with God, and get the right manager, as the club's future is at stake.

Kevin Molloy
58 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:08:02
It looks like Our Hero is gonna break the bank again to lure another busted flush from his featherbed in Shanghai. I really can't think of a worse candidate so it's no surprise our guy is very interested
Tony Abrahams
59 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:12:28
It's turning out alright at the minute then, Rob!
Steve Ferns
60 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:16:14
Yeah, Kevin, Sky is reporting Vitor Pereira will be in place before Man Utd. Not my first pick but we need to unite behind whoever it is and concentrate on the positives.
Christy Ring
61 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:21:32
Any manager who buys David Luiz to shore up his defence, definitely has to be avoided.
Robert Tressell
62 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:29:04
I think Dunc will get another game or two. Hope so. Deserves it. Opposition have something to think about now too as we look direct and motivated. Bit like a rich man's Burnley - or a poor man's Leicester of a few years ago.
Niall McIlhone
63 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:33:23
I felt Duncan's services should have been dispensed with as a job lot with Silva and all his coaching team, but that performance on Saturday was reminiscent of the physical onslaught inflicted on Bayern Munich in the home leg of the ECWC semi-final. We did a job on them.

Fair play, let's see how those players cope with the cauldron of Old Trafford on Sunday. I would also say that when that third goal went in, the crowd reaction was just like that marvel of a goal the Best Little Spaniard scored at home to Fiorentina, the ground crackled with excitement.

As for Emery, he is not cut from the same cloth as Duncan, and I think he would rub the players up the wrong way.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

64 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:36:43
Rob @ 57

The FSW just ruled himself out?

Thank every God - mainstream, pagan or otherwise - for that uplifting news, Rob!

Steve Ferns
65 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:41:54
Jay, Sky Sports say we want to have Pereira in by Sunday Link
Christy Ring
66 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:42:59
Who ever gets the job, and I don't see much difference in Pereira's CV, and Silva's, they'll want to have sole responsibility for first team affairs and transfers, which for me, makes sense, don't understand why director of football is needed, it seems Brands bought Kean and Iwobi.
Paul Tran
67 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:44:02
What is it about Pereira? Nothing there that excites me at all.
Steve Ferns
68 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:47:07
Pereira has won the League 4 times (Porto x 2, Olympiacos and China). But with the Portuguese and the Greek sides he inherited the Champions. Pereira is definitely a good manager, the question is: Is he the best we can do? I think not, and he'd be down my list.

Christy, Silva and Pereira are happy for there to be a Brands. They prefer it. As does Marcelino. They want to concentrate on the first team, not fielding calls from agents and spending lots of time watching players. They expect Brands to deliver the players of the type they want though.

Colin Metcalfe
69 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:47:13
A definitive no to Emery, yes he won the Europa League a few time with Sevilla and beat the RS but he is not a good fit for Everton.

I saw more passion and sheer will on Saturday than I have done in the last 5 years. In fact, I never seen Iwobi put a shift like that either in an Everton or Arsenal shirt, don't think the former Arsenal man will get that sort of performance out this current crop of players.

It would be interesting to know what Nico Kovac thought of the game and the tremendous atmosphere at Goodison, I know he not everyone's cup of tea but there's no doubting his credentials.

For me I think it's best if we hold off until the board are 110% sure they have the right man it's such an important decision, they simply have to get this appointment right and for now leave the big man in charge although he is going to have to be a bit more savvy than 4-4-2 Chelsea went though our midfield as if it weren't there do that against Man Utd and surely they will punish us.

Paul Tran
70 Posted 09/12/2019 at 20:49:06
Thanks Steve. Like I said, nothing there excites me at all.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

71 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:01:40
Steve @ 66.

Annnddd...as quickly as Rob's news about the FSW fills me with euphoria, you come along and burst my elation, Steve!

Vitor Pereira?!

I share Paul Tran's lack of enthusiasm at the news.

It reminds me of the tale a Scottish mate told me about the appointments of first Andy Roxburgh then Craig Brown as Scotland's national manager back in the1980-90s.

The newspaper headline for the first was 'Andy WHO?'

For the second it was 'Craig WHY?'

Vitor Pereira as possible Everton manager stirs a similar response in me today.

Richard Mason
72 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:01:52
I would genuinely leave Big Dunc in charge for the Man Utd game, see how he gets on away from home. Cos then he would get the crowd going for home games against Leicester and Arsenal. I think the board are rushing into things with Pereira.
Steve Ferns
73 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:02:51
Anyone watching Arsenal? Now that's a team that will be in a hurry to appoint a new manager. Ljunberg is struggling badly. They're in for the same guys as us, except for Pereira (take note Mr Moshiri). I worry they'll snaffle our first choice. But perhaps their haste might mean they don't have time to get Gallardo over.

Jay, the reports are conflicting, so don't get too concerned here.

Raymond Fox
74 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:21:29
Give Dunc a decent spell and see what transpires, I'm confident he'll be a success. He will lose some games, of course, he will, but I think its worth the risk.

Its one or two of the very top class players (yeah, I know that's a pipe dream) we need more than another iffy foreign manager.

Jerome Shields
75 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:23:54
Steve #73,

As a team, I always liked the Arsenal and their football philosophy, which Wenger partly distorted with a weaker attitude to defence. It going to take some doing to get them back on track and Emery wasn't the man.

They don't seem to have the Old school back up Everton have, which has been a surprising blessing to me, haven't had my doubts about the Old school at Finch Farm for so long. There where some good people there, who have been long suffering like ourselves.

Last thing Everton need is Emery.

Steve Ferns
76 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:27:35
Vitor Pereira is not Silva mark II. He is definitely more of a Mourinho, if anything he's like a younger Jorge Jesus, ie a nutcase. You've seen him in that Suadi press conference. How's about his time in Greece?

In the "Derby of the eternal enemies" a more violent Derby than you might think. Pereira approached the home fans, the ultras, before the game kicked off. They're all in place and building the atmosphere. They watch him approach and start shouting and swearing at him. He then makes a "come and have a go" gesture before waling off. Well they do try and have a go and riot police are deployed.

Pereira got an 8 month suspended prison sentence (after he left Greece and given in his absence) for this incident!

ESPN report

Prison Sentence

Video

I think Jay Wood said Jorge Jesus might be the lunatic we need. Maybe Vitor Pereira is that lunatic and whilst he may not be the best candidate in terms of his technical ability, perhaps he's the one with the best mentality?

Edit: as a bonus, who wouldn't to see this in front of the kop: Link

Or conducting the crowd: Link

And this is bound to come out, a Martinez moment:

Link

Tony Abrahams
77 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:30:27
Steve@73, I think West Ham, might be joining the list of the manager-less after tonight’s game.
Rob Halligan
78 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:35:31
Amazing turnaround, Tony. Even for the first 20 minutes or so of the second half, Arsenal just didn't look interested, then they go and score three in 10 minutes.
Christy Ring
79 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:38:03
Steve@69,

I know what you're saying about Brands dealing with agents etc, but do you not agree, the manager, who's in charge of the first team, picks the players, and tells Brands to get the deals done.

Steve Ferns
80 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:40:22
Yes and no Christy. Do you want the manager missing training because he is off to Brazil for two days to watch Gabigol?


The famous Porto celebration link got messed up: Link

Steve Ferns
81 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:42:55
The table is splitting again now, then. The relegation contenders are shaping up and we're 5 points behind that dividing line. But still only 7 points off 5th so the season is not done and dusted (in terms of the league).
Tony Everan
82 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:45:54
Me too with Pereira.

He won the Greek Olympo league... yawn! He won the Porto league yawn. Worked in Saudi Arabia and China... yawn yawn... snoooooozes

Wake me up when someone who could do better than Duncan is linked.

Tony Abrahams
83 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:47:08
I'm not really watching, Rob. I am saving myself for tomorrow when I can hopefully see Liverpool getting knocked out of the Champions League?

Christy Ring
84 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:48:31
Steve I see your point, unless the manager has a player in mind
Rob Halligan
85 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:49:09
I'll be giving that the wide berth, Tony. I've only really seen them once this season, and no prizes for guessing when that was!!
Grant Rorrison
86 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:50:27
As long as his first press conference is in the afternoon and not the 'ebening' he should be alright.
Steve Ferns
87 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:54:12
Grant, so you wouldn't be a fan of watching Emery's Eberton playing in the Ebening?
Tony Abrahams
88 Posted 09/12/2019 at 21:55:22
You will hopefully be watching the highlights tomorrow night, though, Rob!
Ed Prytherch
89 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:29:58
Sky Sports = Fake News
Dave Williams
90 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:35:42
Tony # 83- not for the first time mate I totally agree with you!
Brian Wilkinson
91 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:36:50
How anyone can say no to a little extended run with Ferguson is baffling, he had one day with the players and in that time got every single player busting a gut.

We have a quarter final cup tie next week, Goodison under the lights, with Ferguson on the touchline will be rocking.

Whatever happens Sunday, I would certainly give Dunc the cup tie.

Grant Rorrison
92 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:40:10
Steve 88. Joking aside, Steve, I don't think he'd be the worst choice in the world. Certainly better than Pereira or Moyes. Last season he was presiding over Arsenal's best run of form since 2007. Now, suddenly he's a shit manager.

Personally, I'd keep Ferguson for the time being and see how he can do over a run of games.

Gerry Ring
93 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:45:40
Tony #83. Totally agree about Periera. Where the hell would we be going with this guy?

Total journeyman who appears to like moving around for some reason. Won a few “Mickey mouse” competitions in Greece & Portugal. If this bloke was any good he wouldn't be managing in China.

Leave Dunc there for the present & scratch Periera off the list.

Colin Glassar
94 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:46:49
Dick Emery would do a better job.
Soren Moyer
95 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:47:25
It's settled then! On tonight's MNF, FSW explained by "small club" he meant "small team"!!!
Jamie Sweet
96 Posted 09/12/2019 at 22:53:01
No thanks to Emery. I just think we need to realise that there is a style of management that doesn't suit our football club. I also think there is a style of footballer that doesn't suit us too.

They may be technically brilliant, but if they haven't got that certain fire in their belly and are "up for the fight" then it's unlikely that it's going to work out here.

Our last trophy was achieved with the "dogs of war". Our most successful managers were those who loved and "got" the club.

I'm not sure if Big Dunc is ready for the hot seat full time. But I truly believe that whoever we get, needs to have his guts and passion over some fancy technician of the game.

I think we all fell back in love with the club a little more on Saturday. Hopefully this is just the beginning.

I really fear that Emery or similar could be the end.

Steavey Buckley
97 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:03:23
There is must be something not right if any really good manager wants to take over Everton at the moment, because in nearly 4 years Everton have sacked 4 managers. That is 4 pay-offs.

Everton should stick with Ferguson at the moment because he has got the blues organised and playing with passion and enthusiasm again. That were lacking under the previous 4 managers.

Steve Ferns
98 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:17:02
Grant, I don't think Emery, even though he's a Basque, and they are supposedly very similar to us in Liverpool, I don't think he has enough personality for the club. I think what you saw at Arsenal would get worse in the bear pit of Goodison.

Pereira, as I have said elsewhere, I'm revising my opinion on. Technically, of all the coaches mentioned, he might not be the most gifted. Tactically, too, although he has made some memorable changes in games that one matches for Benfica. But why I changed my mind is that I remembered why I don't like him. He's a proper arrogant nark. He winds the opposition fans up, he is very animated on the sidelines and he does not sit still. His hands are forever waving. And he celebrates every goal.

Please see the links in post 76 of this thread for examples of what he is like. Also see here: Link for that video again of him in Saudi Arabia not taking too kindly to the guy trying to control his press conference. Bearing in mind the laws of that country, I don't think many would be too keen to object! The sheer brass balls of him walking up to the Panathinaikos ultras in their own stadium and telling them to come and get him, the guy is a complete lunatic. It's that sheer strength of personality that might be what we need right now. Someone to completely break the cliques in the dressing room and to get through to the players, and if he can't, to have the brass balls to just sack them off and go with an academy player instead.

Word of warning though, the football for Porto was tappy-tappy. He favours the high-press but everyone in Portugal sat too deep to really press them and he had a lot of lazy players like Hulk who didn't press, when he demanded it in Europe. He was not afraid to drop them though, and to make the big decisions.

Anthony Murphy
99 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:29:31
The bit that worries me the most about the Periera link is that it feels like a Moshiri choice (if appointed) rather than a Brands one. That alone sets alarm bells going off for me on several levels. Isn’t his agent Kia Joorabchian the Iranian born friend of Moshiri?

Steve Ferns
100 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:33:02
Yes, indeed he is Anthony. But the torygraph and the BBC report that he impressed the Everton board. So maybe that includes Brands.

Maybe Saturday changed things for Brands and instead of nice guys like Jardim, Silva, Emery and Howe, he now things he needs a nark, and Pereira is just that.

Who knows it’s all speculation. All of them are decent experienced coaches who have won stuff. They all have something to offer. We just have to hope it’s Brands choice and he selects the right one.

Kieran Kinsella
101 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:37:37
Steve, you make him sound like Paulo DiCanio.
Steavey Buckley
102 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:39:20
All these tactical foreign managers had Everton playing with one striker upfront that made sure the lone striker had to play against up to 3 defenders. What's so tactical about that?

Ferguson played with 2 upfront and Everton were rewarded with 3 goals. Which proves football is a simple game made complicated by managers who have forgotten how football can be played, by getting the ball into the box with as many strikers as possible.

Peter Jansson
103 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:46:14
After Saturday, I think we should let Duncan get a chance to see what he can do. It might not be better to bring in another coach. Maybe Duncan is what we need, who knows? Big strong personality and a guy that really loves Everton, he is definitely a true blue.

I have no idea how good he is on bringing in new players, but I don't think he can do much worse than the recent managers.

Steve Ferns
104 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:47:46
Steavey he plays 3 up top. Narrow 4-3-3. No lone striker.

Read this tactical appraisal from a title deciding match in Portugal, where Pereira excelled. Link

Kieran, did you watch that video in the Athens Derby? I think Di Canio would have crapped his kecks.

Denis Richardson
105 Posted 09/12/2019 at 23:48:53
The guy reminds me of Dracula.

Not for me as manager of our club.

(Not very scientific I know.)

https://media.giphy.com/media/ygXJLAjIUJqWQ/giphy.gif

Steve Ferns
106 Posted 09/12/2019 at 00:01:03
Vitor Pereira's Porto v Jorge Jesus' Benfica from May 2013. Benfica need a draw to win the League, but Porto have home advantage. This is a great example of the football we can expect from Vitor (if he gets his players) and the opposition are on a level with us:

Link

Watch this video though guys, this is one of the greatest games in Portuguese league history. It's full of drama and is their version of the Arsenal win over Liverpool.

John Pierce
107 Posted 09/12/2019 at 00:02:45
Steve, 101. I hope for Brands it did change things and recognize what the club needs and he weighs that against the raucous nature of what the fanbase craves from Saturday.

I felt sure he'd never hire a guy with a big ego, someone more established (bigger) than him, like Benitez. Who was veiled but clear for me he'd take the job if Everton went after him.

Let's hope he has re-evaluated things.

Steve Ferns
108 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:11:02
Is there a reason why you think that about Brands, JP? Has he done something like this before?
Steavey Buckley
109 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:21:44
Peter, the EPL compared to other leagues in Europe is physically and mentally more demanding, so, Silva's 4-3-3 turned out to be 4-5-1 because the 2 in the forward 3 usually dropped back with the 3 in midfield. That made sure that ball kept coming back as soon as the lone striker was not in contention with the ball against 2 or 3 defenders.

4-4-2 is more flexible, when in the ascendancy, 6 or 8 players can get forward, but when on the defensive there is at least 2 players upfront when the ball is cleared instead of coming straight back when there is only a lone striker.

Don Alexander
110 Posted 09/12/2019 at 00:33:52
Throughout my decades of support we've never had a manager who's grabbed the attention of the media whilst also securing success on the pitch.

Catterick had the personality of a lamp-post. He abhorred the media. Kendall was the epitome of the "quiet man" too.

Of the rest only Moyes, with his one memorably positive line "The People's Club", has had any sort of claim to being a media personality, and that one line is woefully inadequate, forever doomed to irrelevance when compared to his "knives to a gunfight" comment.

The rest of our managers were even more rubbish in terms of representing the club to the media and wider public.

Just for once, Farhad, can we not just find an enigmatic, successful manager to create the business environment you, and we, surely crave?

That means paying for a maverick, with funds being given him for signings, and fuck Bramley-Moore Dock for now (as you are doing given we have only a mere three weeks, on your terms, to submit a planning application).

For some reason, the word "Simeone" keeps coming to my mind.

Steve Ferns
111 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:34:12
Silva's 4-3-3 was a 4-2-3-1 because Schneiderlin was not up to the task of playing the holding role on his own and Gbamin got injured. Silva also said he was a midfielder short (when all 5 were fit) and wanted Doucoure. You're quite wrong there, Steavey. Silva's Everton rarely resembled his Sporting or his Olympiacos sides.

As for the 4-4-2, Duncan's side was cut apart time and again and desperate defending saved us. That game showed why 4-4-2 does not work, rather than prove the opposite. We were completely overrun and it was like we had 10 men. We needed Davies on the pitch to be able to get some balance.

Sure, if we swapped Kante for one of our two, it'd have been different. But our two were slow and, when the ball moved quickly, there was so much space in the middle of midfield for Chelsea.

Steve Ferns
112 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:37:05
Don, Simeone earns €24m a season!
Link
Steavey Buckley
113 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:51:43
Steve, Everton won the league and ECWC in 1984-85 season with a 4-4-2 formation and with Graham Sharpe and Andy Gray upfront.
Derek Thomas
114 Posted 10/12/2019 at 01:30:16
The vibe I got was - In the absence lf a viable candidate, who all three factions...and there are 3 factions, could agree on - and were avaliable. Ferguson got the nod as the least worst.

For every two shots of curly, larry and moe in the stands, we got one of Brands down somewhere on the touch line looking Isolated...and this problem is still with us.

Brands is piggy in the middle, between Kenwright who may not believe in the DoF model...and maybe even thinks He's been the DoF for 20yrs and Moshiri who, we suppose does believe in the D oF model (that somebody told him this is what you do now Mosh, is neither here nor there) but won't let him totally Direct Football.

Ferguson was a compromise candidate, but as he knocked it out of the ground, he has put him self in the fame - he's the leader in the clubhouse and all the other candidates are still hacking and chopping their way round the back nine.

All the candidates have question marks of one sort or another.
But Ferguson Does know the premier league, he Does know the Club. He's P 1, W 1 and Nobody can match what he did on Sat.

IF he plays a par round at Old Trafford, well the cat is really amongst his racing pigeons.

What a week ago seemed a daunting row of fixtures now seems like a nice run in.

Leicester under the Bear Pit lights - do-able.

Arsenal at Home; managerless, sometimes noted for not performing north of Watford - again do-able.

But no, I'll reign it in for now, lets stick with one game at a time, lets stick with Ferguson for that one game at a time.

Alan J Thompson
115 Posted 10/12/2019 at 02:52:19
Any chance of a full list of Arsenal's ex-managers and those they are interested in so we can let Mr Moshiri know that he is now at Everton and we are nobody's reserves.
Jerome Shields
116 Posted 10/12/2019 at 03:29:54
Derek #115,

I hadn't really thought of a power struggle, but you could be right. The role of Director of Football, even with Board representation is an enigma regarding the Management position at Everton.

I think rather than be a compromise selection, Big Dunc was put in place, following Arsenal doing the same thing. It seemed like a good idea, which has had surprising results. Looking at both Kenwright and Moshiri, they both looked relieved and surprised on Saturday.

For some reason, a replacement for Silva had not been thought of, prior to the departure of Silva. In my opinion, Big Dunc, on Saturday's performance, has put himself in the frame, as you suggest. If Everton put a good enough performance against Man Utd and get a result, they will stick with him on a game-by-game basis. To do so, Big Dunc will have to show tactical nuance.

The extent of his tactical nuance in Saturday's game is now known, and teams will be prepared in future games. Also, the ability of his teams to break down 'set-up shop 'sides will also become apparent. Midfield, as Steve has pointed out, is still a question mark.

The other question mark is the ability of the present Board to successfully select a Manager.


John Pierce
117 Posted 10/12/2019 at 04:11:31
Everton would be mad not let Ferguson have the United fixture and more importantly a Goodison evening game to get us past Leicester in the league cup. Ride the wave out.

Imagine?!

Then absolutely install their man. A little xmas miracle.

Derek Knox
118 Posted 10/12/2019 at 05:59:33
Colin @ 94, Ooh you are awful!
Bobby Mallon
119 Posted 10/12/2019 at 06:20:14
Steve ferns playing 433 narrow or not is not playing 2 strikers up top.
Bobby Mallon
120 Posted 10/12/2019 at 06:33:47
Vitor Pereira no no no, the only manager out there who will get our club is JORGE JESUS. If we are going to get another foreign manager it has to be him. He has the best % win rate of all mentioned.
Bobby Mallon
121 Posted 10/12/2019 at 06:42:52
To be honest Steve, you championed Silva ( and fair play) but he turned out to be useless and now your championing this Vitor Pereira and showing links from 6 yrs ago. He’s only being linked because he’s mates of that Iranian agent who’s Moshiri mate. Let’s leave Dunk in charge and let Brands decide our next manager
Kevin Prytherch
122 Posted 10/12/2019 at 07:24:14
Steve 111 - I believe you have watched this game with your Marco Silva rose tinted spectacles on.

4-4-2 worked. We defended deep, limiting the amount of space behind the defence. We had 2 midfielders sitting deep and made sure we covered the central areas with the full backs defending more centrally. We played on the counter and used 4 pacy players from the wings and up front to utilise this.

Chelsea had all the position, however they created a similar number of big chances that we did. You mention expected goals frequently, ours was 1.9, there’s 1.1. Calvert Lewin and Richarlison both flourished with a partner up front.

Also - you say 4-4-2 doesn’t work, however, under Silva, when we defended against a top team we defended in a 4-4-2 formation.

4-4-2 worked and can continue working against the right opposition. 4-2-3-1 hasn’t worked since we had Ross Barkley playing regularly.

Mal van Schaick
123 Posted 10/12/2019 at 08:26:02
We’ve all ready tested and proven that recent managers such as Silva, Martinez, Koeman talking gibberish shite, do not suit Everton. Emery is of that ilk.

Big Dunc can do it with his choice of backroom staff, and maybe former players as advisors. Peter Reid, Trevor Steven etc.

I want Everton to restore it historical identity and not have our great club trashed by blithering yappers who have no passion for our great club.

Terry McLavey
124 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:07:10
Can this club – JUST FOR ONCE! – not employ a manager that has been sacked by another club for failing?
Bill Watson
125 Posted 10/12/2019 at 18:18:33
NO,NO, NO and NO!
Kristian Boyce
126 Posted 10/12/2019 at 19:12:39
Emery's Arsenal were a weak fragile team, and that comes from his leadership. He didn't have the balls to appoint a new captain, and allowed the players to pick it. Before this he said the team had 6 captains, and but none of them were showing leadership. It's interesting as stories are leaking out now about his time there, where there was a complete lack of discipline within the team, obviously highlighted with the Xhaka incident. But also how the players would mock him and make fun of his accent. This is all down to his lack of leadership. He failed at Arsenal, as well as PSG. His time at Seville is where he drew the plaudits, but he had the backing of Monchi the very highly regarded DoF, who was seen as the brains behind that success.
Brian Wilkinson
127 Posted 14/12/2019 at 00:24:33
Cheer up, he has knocked us back.

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