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Pereira heads Everton shortlist

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Everton hope to have Vitor Pereira in place as their new manager by the time they travel to Old Trafford on Sunday according to reports.

Both Sky Sports and The Telegraph are claiming that the 51-year-old Portuguese is the Blues' first choice to succeed Marco Silva who was sacked after 18 months in charge last Thursday.

Sky report that Everton are willing to offer the journeyman manager a three-year contract but face competition from Pereira's current employers, Shanghai SIPG who are supposedly willing to hand him a new £25m-per-year contract to tempt him to stay in China.

Original Source: Sky Sports  


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Paul Hewitt
1 Posted 10/12/2019 at 06:19:47
Can't see this one happening. He's on 25 million a year at his current club. We can't come close to that.
Eugene Kearney
2 Posted 10/12/2019 at 06:31:20
I wanted him in way back when Moyes left.

There's talk of an Argentine guy Gallardo who is said to be a "winner".
I just hope we get it right this time.

Andre Helleur
3 Posted 10/12/2019 at 07:29:18
Please! A man who can inspire the players as Dunc did.
Derek Knox
4 Posted 10/12/2019 at 07:34:44
Eugene @ 2, Gallardo would be my pick, but I believe Duncan should be given a few games to see how he fares, and also gives the Board a chance to get the next appointment right, if that is the way they are going to go.
Anthony Newell
5 Posted 10/12/2019 at 08:08:27
No, no and NO
Dan Sanderson
6 Posted 10/12/2019 at 08:19:58
He seems to have the same CV as Silva before he joined Hull. If Martinez got the job over him last time then that really is a backward step. Not into this at all
Steve Ferns
7 Posted 10/12/2019 at 08:21:23
DK if we wait for Duncan Ferguson we miss out on Gallardo and Pereira. Now if the only window for them. Marcelino could also get snapped up in any delay (ie by Arsenal). West Ham might sack Pellegrini and they might not mess about like we are and get one of our targets. It doesn’t have to be now or never for big Duncan.
Gerry Ring
8 Posted 10/12/2019 at 08:40:33
I really don’t get this Periera potential appointment. No “real” track record. I don’t count doing well in Portugal or Greece being good enough for Everton. He appears to be Silva “light” and money seems to dictate his club movement. I believe he’s the last person suitable for Everton at the moment. Moshiri needs to step back a bit and stop treating Everton like FIFA 20. This is a really important appointment for the club & this guy doesn’t fit the bill. Leave it with Dunc & the selection will be better later on.
Daniel A Johnson
9 Posted 10/12/2019 at 08:48:01
The only +ive I can see with Pereira is his fiery demeanour.

People seem to want pantomime and histrionics on the touchline these days he will probably provide that.

Tick that "passion" box that people want to tick.

Who ultimately knows in a few years he could have a statue or he could be another footnote in our history.

Mark Dunford
10 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:27:12
Rushing into a decision is almost always a bad move. Pereira seems to be happily hoarding money in China; perhaps, he has earned enough or is looking to boost his already obscene wage by using our interest as leverage. I don’t know much about him beyond what I guess is the usual internet trawl, but his record doesn’t suggest he offers something unavailable elsewhere.

We need to aim for someone who is trusted by Brands to be in post by the opening of the transfer window. I’m assuming Brands will still be handling the transfer policy and this does seem to have been an issue between him and Silva..

Accept there is an inconsistency in my view, as I kept saying Silva should have gone weeks ago. However, his failure was clear in October.

Jim Bennings
11 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:30:52
No doubt if there’s anything in this we’ll start to hear more concrete news over the coming days.

We need someone to come in and hit the ground running given our position in the league, one win is all good as it was but it doesn’t make everything rosy in the garden.

We still have a monumental month ahead of us and it’s a huge job for whoever takes it over.

One thing I don’t want to hear is “it takes time”.

It may well take time to evolve a certain style of play but it should never take time to get a bunch of players running around and putting everything into the cause as witnessed on Saturday.

Has it taken Rodgers long at Leicester?

As soon as Klopp went to Liverpool within two months they were running twice as far as everyone else in the league and were twice as fit and any players not on board with it were shown the door.

It’s not rocket science.

Steve Ferns
12 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:39:07
Who has a "real track record" Gerry? Benitez? What with his 2 La Liga titles over 15 years ago and his Champions League win 15 years ago? Or his Europa League win 6 years ago when that's just written off as a nothing achievement when discussing Emery winning it three years in a row?

Everton, even if it was back in the summer coming off a half decent season and finishing strongly in 8th, are not an attractive proposition for new managers. Add in the start we've had and people are thinking twice.

Does someone's ability to win a trophy 15 years ago mean they are good enough to win a trophy now? Because that's what we want. Not someone who has had their time, but someone who is about to have their time.

It's very difficult to assess Pereira, because he's won more or less everything, every season when it's put in front of him. His only bad spell was a catastrophic spell for 6 months in Germany.

If we leave it for now, then Gallardo will sign a new deal or will move on elsewhere and that ship sails. Marcelino wants a job now, and he flew in to speak to us and Arsenal, and if West Ham have any sense they will be reaching out before he goes home as well.

Leonardo Jardim is on rocky ground at Monaco and looks like he might jump before he's pushed, so if we wait he could end up elsewhere.

Sure, other candidates may present themselves after Christmas, but is it really work waiting in some vain hope that a complete novice is going to be better than managers with experience who have won trophies?

We've had caretakers who've done well before, ie Jimmy Gabriel won his only game in his first spell on 3-11-90 and Unsworth won his only game in his first spell on 15-5-16. Gabriel had that disastrous second spell where he had 7 league games and did the damage hat saw Kendall II's midtable blues plummet into the relegation fight that Walker barely got us out of.

The atmosphere was predictable before the game, I did just that. The formation too. The performance as well. I even called the win. Let's just not get carried away. We need to aim higher and try to get back into this race for 5th and to win the League Cup and we need a proven manager, not a novice.

Jim Burns
13 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:40:04
If this guy is that good - what's he doing in China and why hasn't any half decent side in Europe picked him up?

Either they see something we don't or he's money driven ( or both ) - either way I'd be very wary of taking him on.

Gallardo on the other hand winner with a big club in a rough tough league - I believe a playing compatriot of Simeone and Poch ( correct me if I'm wrong )- seems a better fit on the face of it for what's required here.

One thing is for sure - I saw something very basic happening on Saturday against Chelsea with the same set of players that have been so weak and disorganised previously. We aren't far away with one or two additions and the right man management.

I'm not sure I - or any of us including the club itself -could survive another failure based on bogus reputations and exaggerated CV's better suited to the final rounds of the 'Apprentice'.

Steve Ferns
14 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:45:37
Mark, Pereira has gone out to China to make his money and his name is mentioned with every English job. He is desperate to come to the Premier League.

Chelsea: Link (S*n alert)
Arsenal: Link
Watford: Link

There's a reason the guy earns £30m a season in China. They wouldn't give out that salary to any old coach with a few medals. They are also desperate to keep him.

James Stewart
15 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:46:29
Not what we need.
Sam Hoare
16 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:48:17
Jim, whoever comes in will have a harder job than Rodgers who inherited a balanced Leicester side bristling with young talent and decent depth in key positions.

Our next manager will inherit a decimated midfield, lack of finishers and a plodding central defence. Not comparable.

As for Pereira i'm not convinced. There's similarities with Silva for sure and maybe that appeals in terms of continuity. I've read some reports from knowledgeable people who think he is an improved version of Silva, favouring pressing but with a more solid base. If so that would be ok I guess.

His record is decent though his spell at Munich worries me as he took them over mid-season in trouble and proceeded to get them relegated.

Would prefer Gallardo, Jardim or Jesus.

Brian Harrison
17 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:54:08
I listen to Tim Vickery on talksport he lives in Brazil and covers all South American football, and he raves about how good Gallardo is, and also the style of his team River Plate. Pereira has been in China for 2 years and as Jim Burns points out if he was that good how come no top European side picked him up.

Pereiras record looks very similar to Marco Silva's had success in Portugal and Greece, but it didnt work here for Silva so I am very wary about appointing another manager with a similar track record.

Steve Ferns
18 Posted 10/12/2019 at 09:57:11
Jesus cannot speak English Sam. I trust your judgement on Gallardo and for some reason, I really want him. I'm torn over Jardim. I've always wanted him at Everton, ever since he left Sporting and went to another level at Monaco. Some of the Sporting fans credited Jardim with his successor's success! And yes that was Marco Silva. My worry over Jardim is that he is like Silva. The quiet type, nice and polite. I think that we perhaps need a snarling manager on the sidelines.

But not for the players. Mason Holgate spoke to the BBC after the game on Saturday. He talked about the atmosphere and how he was unable to communicate with people 5 yards away. He also made the comment that he did not see Duncan Ferguson on the sidelines. He went to look for him at each goal but couldn't see him as he'd run so far down the pitch. Holgate is confirming that when you are playing, and it's noisy, you cannot hear the manager, you ignore the manager, and it doesn't really matter what he's doing, unless you are the player closest to him and passing on a tactical change. As the clown Klopp is proving, the managers antics are to lift us, the crowd.

Peter Foy
19 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:09:19
Well if he knocks back 25 million quid and takes about 5m with us, you can't exactly accuse him of "only being in it for the money."
Sam Hoare
20 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:17:08
Steve, there's very rarely a manager who ticks all or even most of the boxes; I think we both hoped there might be with Silva and look how that turned out!

The bookies seem to see the most likely candidates as Pereira, Ferguson, Moyes, Marcelino, Emery, Kovac, Howe, Gallardo, Benitez, Arteta, Jardim, Wilder, Jesus and Ancelloti.

It's not a terrible list though Ferguson would be a stop gap (a risky one), as would Moyes.

My top 4 in descending order would probably be Gallardo, Jardim, Arteta, Marcelino.

Brian Harrison
21 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:29:37
Steve,

The fact that Mason Holgate didnt see Ferguson on the touchline is irrelevant, he didnt do it to impress his players. This was showing his empathy with the fans, showing how much he loves this club. Ian Buchan was the manager when I first started watching Everton and I have never seen an Everton manager display such emotion as Ferguson did on Saturday. I loved the fact that he showed we had a manager who cared as much for this club as we do, as that has been sadly lacking in a lot of Everton managers over the years.

Maybe Duncan might not be the long term answer, but if Unsworth was given a run of 6/7 games to prove himself then why not afford Ferguson the same chance. Bye the way I was very skeptical about Duncan taking over, but I loved every minute of Saturdays game. And if the other Ferguson was well known for his hairdryer treatment if they hadnt played well, I think Duncans hairdryer treatment might be even hotter than Alex Fergusons should the team not put the effort in. Thats what fans want to see, even if you don't have the best technical players you want each player to give 100% in every game, and I think the players would be too freightened of facing Ferguson if they didnt.

Just finally you call Klopp a clown, well I hope 1 day we appoint a clown that gets to Successive Champions League finals winning one, and likely to win the Premier league this year. Just to add I hate LFC as much as anyone and hope they win nothing.

James Marshall
22 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:31:07
Sam@19

That's a long old list of names, which I think proves what we all know deep down - there's quite literally no way of knowing if it will work out for any manager and therefore all of them are a punt in the dark.

Peter Foy
23 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:31:31
Two bookies got Moyes odds shortening to 2-1 and 6-4. That would be a disaster on so many levels.
Steve Ferns
24 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:40:07
I see people questioning Pereira's Record, so here is the facts:

2011-12 Porto:
League: Champions
Cup: 4th Round
L. Cup: Semi Final
Super Cup: Winners
UCL: Groups
EL: R32

2012-13 Porto:
League: Champions
Cup: 5th Round
LC: Runners-Up
UCL: Last 16

2013-14: Al-Hilal:
League: 2nd
Cup: Runners-Up
ACL: n/a as did not qualify season before

2014-5: Olympiacos (joined in January with club in 2nd)
League: 1st
Cup: Winner
UCL: Groups (before he took over)
EL: R32
(Note Silva replaces Pereira and wins league only)

2015-16: Fenerbache:
League: 2nd
Cup: 2nd
UCL: 3rd Qualifying round
EL: Last 16
(Note Fener last won the league in 2014 and have not won since, or indeed won anything)

2016-17: Fenerbache:
sacked in August before season starts for failing to qualify for UCL groups.

2017: 1860 Munchen:
League: relegated from Bundesliga 2 as 3rd bottom
Link

2018: Shanghai SPIG:
League: Champions (ending Guangzhou's run of 7 consecutive titles)
Cup: QF
Asian CL: Last 16

2019: Shanghai SPIG:
League: 2nd
Cup: SF
Asian CL: QF

But don't forget this Chinese Super League Match Fixing Scandal but note it's a different Shanghai team to the one Pereira currently manages.


Trophy count:
Leagues: 4
Cups: 1
Super Cup / Charity Shields: 3

Win %
Porto 69.57
Al-Hilal: 51.35
Olympiacos: 60.00
Fenerbache: 61.29
1860 Munchen: 30.00
Shanghai SPIG: 60.47
Overall: 57.51

Steve Ferns
25 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:43:23
Brian, people complained about Silva's presence on the sidelines. The Holgate point is it clearly doesn't matter. Which is what I thought, you are too busy concentrating on the game to "look to the sidelines for inspiration". Klopp is a great manager, Brian. The clown comment is for his antics on the sidelines. As for the hairdryer, said player would be out of there faster than you could say "I'm a millionaire footballer, get me out of here!". Or they'd simply make an internal complaint and have Ferguson's behaviour investigated. Employment law prevents the "hairdryer", and sport is no exception and a football manager accused of such would face disciplinary action from the club, the FA, or CAS. The player could force the club to pay up the contract in full and walk away on a free transfer.
Steve Brown
26 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:45:50
If managers have won trophies in England, Germany, Italy or Spain and/ or qualified teams regularly for the Champions League, then I am impressed.
Kevin Molloy
27 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:46:37
Steve, so you are bigging up Vic for his wins with Porto, and lambasting Benitez for his CL finals with Liverpool? Jeez mate, one is an outstanding manager, the other is nowhere.
John Keating
28 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:50:20
Based on Steve's record for Pereira he definitely needs a swerve. In fact if that's what we're getting I'd bring back Silva - might be a 30 day change your mind clause in his sacking notice.

Whoever we get please no more 3 year contracts. 2 years max !!!

Simon Jones
29 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:50:42
Brian @20

That's the spirit, mate!

Steve Ferns
30 Posted 10/12/2019 at 10:55:27
Both are in China Kevin! Pereira was 2nd, and Rafa was 9th. Pereira gets paid £30m a year, whereas Benitez is on £12m.

I'm not bigging up either tbh. If Benitez had never managed them and more those comments, and his achievements were more recent, I'd certainly want him. But he has managed them, and the first sign of trouble it would all go wrong as Goodison would turn on him quickly.

Brian Porter
31 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:00:56
I don't want any manager with the word 'relegation' on his CV.
Brian Harrison
32 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:02:07
Steve

You missed my point completely, I said his running down the touchline wasnt to impress his players, whether they saw it or not. But what it showed is his reactions was the same as us fans inside the ground. And while they may not have noticed his actions I am sure that passion would come across at every training session he took. How you reckon that a manager can no longer hand out a stern bollocking to an under performing player, because the manager would face disciplinary action from the FA or the CAS, why?.

And if Klopps antics as you call it or Ferguson running down the touchline fires the crowd where is the downside in that.

Kevin Molloy
33 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:02:35
Steve what happens in China is completely irrelevant
Steve Ferns
34 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:05:02
But your point was misunderstanding my point Brian! I was making the point that about Silva's demeanour on the sidelines. Holgate didn't pay attention to Ferguson so why would he pay attention to Silva? For the players do the antics or the "lack of inspiration" matter?
Steve Ferns
35 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:06:09
That's Conte and Benitez as well Brian #30

Anyone have any idea why Moyes's odds have suddenly shortened for him to be the favourite again?

James Marshall
36 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:14:42
Like I said a couple of days ago - the reason the odds are changing all the time is because the bookies haven't got a damn clue who's getting the gig, in the same way that we don't.

James Marshall
37 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:17:57
I'd like Ralf Rangnick if it was up to me. He hasn't had much of a mention on here.
Frank Crewe
38 Posted 10/12/2019 at 11:18:47
We took on Silva because he was supposed to be the up and coming young coach full of new ideas. He flopped.

Arsenal took on Emery because he was an established proven winner who would get them back in contention. He flopped.

Leicester City brought in Rogers and so far he's been a big success although Liverpool sacked him.

Dunc has had one game. He won it. But is he a long term answer? Can a side play flat out like that in every match or will they burn out, especially away from home?

The fact is there is no way to know if this or that manager will bring success or failure to Everton. No manager will ever be a perfect fit with all the fans. We would have all took Emery over Silva 18 months ago but if he couldn't do it with the players Arsenal have how could he have done it here?

All we can do is hope the powers that be pick the right man and we can finally start moving forward. This will be Moshiri's fourth attempt so maybe number four will be the charm.

Sam Hoare
39 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:02:24
James @21, yes I agree entirely. Anyone and everyone is ultimately a punt in the dark and every candidate will get slagged off on here for one reason or another before they've even walked in the door.

It's a tough choice and the success of the appointment will likely owe as much to luck as anything.

David Israel
40 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:11:24
There are no similarities at all between Victor Pereira and Marco Silva, except for the fact that they are both Portuguese. Not in playing styles, and not in general demeanour. Pereira is a kind of a safety-first guy, who tends to play a dull game (or so my Portuguese contacts tell me). But he does tend to win things! And his record in Portugal is vastly superior to Silva's. He's also quite lively on the touchline and at his press conferences.

That said, I'm not exactly sold on him. I'd rather we went for Gallardo.

Jim Burns
41 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:23:09
Steve @23 - thanks for those stats fact before fiction every time!

Based on (some) other high profile appointments to the Premier League from other leagues abroad it's still a lottery in my view.

Good-looking CVs in Turkey, Israel, Portugal and even Spain don't tell us much regarding potential managerial success over here (Emery, Silva etc) and some owners' fixation with foreign coaches' can be irrational.

The European elements of the CV don't always cut ice either – qualifying for Europe from the Premier League is the tough bit – once in, its partly down to luck how far you go given the mixed quality of opponents at least til the latter stages.

To my mind there are good managers and good coaches – and rarely do you get both in one individual. Seems to me Silva's demise could have to do with losing his number 2 in the summer as much as anything.

Steve Ferns
42 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:37:13
David, you have been told wrong. Silva was the counter-attacking manager who played the more defensive football. Pereira is the attacking coach. I posted the 5 minute highlights of his finest hour. When Porto played Benfica in the penultimate game of the season, and had to win to go ahead of them in the table. Benfica had a relegation team next and Porto played 3rd in the table (not Sporting though). Porto went behind and fought back and then won it in stoppage time. Cue Benfica manager Jorge Jesus famously dropping to his knees like he'd been shot and Vitor Pereira running around onto the pitch like he'd just scored the winner in the world cup final.

Vitor Pereira plays a high tempo game, he likes to press, but he often found it difficult to do with the players he had. Having the superior side in Portugal every team but Benfica sat back, so Porto were always in possession and knocking it around. It was not safety first at all. He only lost 1 game in 2 seasons at Porto in the League though.

Link Watch it for yourself. It's been voted the greatest game of the decade in Portugal.

Tony Abrahams
43 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:50:31
Thanks for that Steve, and even though Porto needed to win, they didn’t commit many players forward until the end, although that might also be because they couldn’t afford to lose!?
Gerry Ring
44 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:53:39
I wish people would stop talking rubbish about winning titles in Greece & Portugal. It's about as impressive as winning cups in Scotland. Should we be looking at Neil Lennon or Martin O'Neill?? Of course we shouldn't!!!

How come all those big clubs associated with Periera missed out?? Steve, your confidence in Silva was misplaced so I'd be shying away from being Periera's “campaign manager” if I were you!!

Peter Foy
45 Posted 10/12/2019 at 12:59:59
Moyes is now odds-on favourite with most bookies. I don't even believe they tried to get anyone else. This was always going to happen.
David Israel
46 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:02:18
Thank you, Steve, for putting the record straight. I do have Portuguese friends who once told me Porto were invariably dull under Pereira, but like you say, it may have been down to bus-parking opponents of the Mourinho persuasion.
John Davies
47 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:04:25
We are going down the same path again. He has won nothing as a manger, was not a particularly good player.Why do we always make the same mistakes?
Kevin Molloy
48 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:06:36
This chap's record since Roberto beat him to the punch is utterly utterly mediocre. Just six months in one of the top leagues, where he took over a midtable german team and relegated them. Then off to China to fill his boots.

If we weren't two points above the trapdoor you'd laugh at the complete ineptitude of Moshiri, but maybe we as fans take all this football lark too seriously. Let's just get the relegation out of the way, let's have the firesale, try and keep in the Championship for a couple of years and take it from there.

Steve Ferns
49 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:20:09
Gerry, I've no influence at all mate. And my personal choices are in order:
1. Leonardo Jardim
2. Marcello Gallardo
3. Marcelino
4. Vitor Pereira

However, I am concerned that Jardim might be another Silva in terms of being an excellent coach, who lacks the force of personality to take on our squad and our crowd. If we get any of those 4, then we should be getting a very good manager.

Steve Ferns
50 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:25:52
David, the other thing is if you don't support Porto, and you support Benfica or Sporting, then you hate this guy. It takes a while to dispel all the reasons you hate him for and remember that he was actually a good manager, and the reasons you hated him are actually reasons you would love him if he was your manager. Namely, his arrogance, his prancing around on the sidelines, the way he conducts the crowd. He generally winds everyone up. The way Mourinho makes a defeat all about him, and not about his team losing, that's Vitor Pereira. Everything is a conspiracy against him. If he'd been in charge with the VAR decisions we suffered, no one would have heard the end of it. He'd have rattled a few cages in the PL.

Tactics wise, coaching wise, he's not as good as the other serious candidates, and as for youth development, well he's never stuck around long enough to do so. But he was in charge of the Porto youth team and was not afraid to play kids when he got promoted.

David Israel
51 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:26:50
Mind you, Kevin, he relegated TSV 1860 Munich to the 3rd division!
David Israel
52 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:31:32
Thank you again, Steve. It was actually Porto supporters who briefed me on Pereira. This was way back when he was in contention to succeed David Moyes.
Paul Jones
53 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:37:42
I actually saw TSV 1860 Munich when he was the manager and they were the worst professional team I've ever seen.
Jim Bennings
54 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:43:36
James 36

It went pear-shaped last time when Ralf rang Nick and told Bill to fuck off!

Steve Jones
55 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:51:43
At the time I don't think any mere mortal could have stopped 1860 Munich going down.

Pereira was the driving force behind Villas-Boas at Porto. The Portuguese are known for needing a clubs manager to be all suave and heroic looking and poor old Vitor wasnt that. He needed the monkey in the suit to take point and do the front of house stuff Villas-Boas. AVB was found out badly at Spurs when the monkey tried to work without the organ grinder. Making Villas-Boas look good is no mean feat.

What needs to be realised is that Martinez, Koeman and Silva all failed at the same point with Everton. They couldn't get the team transformed into the 'total football' slick passing side we all want and need to be if we're to exist in the top-6 bracket.

Martinez had the best crack at it as he had the residue of Moyes dogs of war as a foundation. As soon as that faded the house of cards fell down. Koeman tried to change us in his first season and had to back out when he realised he didn't have the players to do it. Lukaku's goals saved us but weren't there the next season when Koeman tried again and failed again.

The point is that until we get a good technical manager someone who knows how to complete the task of changing our style of play we're always going to be locked into this cycle of hiring and firing and ending up with a mismatched squad from different short-term managers concepts.

Pereira is a good technician. I'm not sure he's a great man manager, but, we already have a great man manager in the club he proved that against Chelsea. To my mind a solid technical and tactical manager like the Portuguese guy with Dunc as his assistant looks like an effective blend of technical and man management skills.

Steve Ferns
56 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:55:54
David, that makes sense. Portuguese managers, particularly at that time, seemed to harbour a belief that if they won the league, they would leave for a big job in the Premier League. Pereira succeeded AVB. AVB was only at Porto for a season, with Pereira as his assistant, and won the league and the Europa League. He was immediately hailed the new Mourinho and got the Chelsea job. Pereira won the league and was surprised no one wanted him, and as the season wore on he was talking himself up. Porto were in second place and with time running out he had lost the fans, and was making disparaging remarks about the Portuguese league. Despite winning that fantastic game, he had burnt his bridges and was always off. With back to back titles he figured Everton would want him to replace Moyes. The Porto fans would not have been too enamoured with him. They would also have said that anyone could win the league with Porto. In fact this was a period when Porto won the League 9 seasons out of 11 with only Jorge Jesus' Benfica breaking the run, in the season that followed Pereira. This led to some Porto fans revising their opinions on Vitor Pereira, particularly after Marco Silva brought Estoril to Porto and ended their 5 year unbeaten home record. Fonseca was in charge and he was dispatched not long after that.

The biggest negative against Pereira is not his 1860 tenure, although that sounds dreadful. It's the fact that he failed to get Porto out of an easy group in the Champions League after AVB had left them Europa League Champions and for once, top seeds in the CL group draw. Their group was APEOL (Cyprus), Zenit, and Shaktar. The kind of group the Portuguese dream of. He came 3rd, then bounced straight out the Europa League too. He did do better the next season, second in a group with PSG, Shaktar and Zagreb. He even beat PSG at the Dragao. They then played Pellegrini's Malaga in the last 16 and narrowly lost 2-1 on aggragate after winning the first leg 1-0 and spurning loads of chances. He needed to have played it tighter away, but Isco came into the game and scored a cracker. His European record is definitely mixed, and that's something you need to consider with him, as that's when he doesn't have the best side.

Christy Ring
57 Posted 10/12/2019 at 13:57:48
I cannot believe Moshiri wants Silva's twin, Periera.

Okay, he's friendly with his agent, but his record after he won Mickey Mouse leagues in Portugal and Greece, he was sacked after 13 months, by Fenerbache, then he went to1860 Munich, who were relegated to the 3rd tier in Germany. He went to China, as did Benitez, for a nest egg, and definetly not to further there career. No thanks.

I for one loved Big Dunc's passion and pride on Saturday. I don't know what Holgate saw, but it definitely wasn't a manager standing in his technical area, with his arms folded, and no expression whatsoever.

Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:02:38
It’s all ifs, buts, and maybes Steve, But I’ve often wondered that, and sometimes, it’s just about getting the right people and putting them together?

Why can’t people see talent, and realise they sometimes just have to mix that talent up with the right people?

Get Louis Walsh on board perhaps? because he just picked up a few kids who had been rejected in a talent show, decided to see what they would be like in a band instead of solo, and both of these acts smashed America, and made millions, out of kids who probably wouldn’t have made a cent!

Many a true word, is said in jest!

Steve Ferns
59 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:03:36
What's if buts and maybes Tony?
Craig Walker
60 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:11:39
My brother emailed me to say that SSN have said this morning that Pereira is our new manager. Can't see any confirmation anywhere else. Not sure what I think about this. He seems to be Silva Mk II to me.
Andy Riley
61 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:12:40
Steve Jones #54. I agree but possibly the other way round. Duncan as the manager with a good experienced coach as his assistant / mentor. Perhaps someone like Alan Irvine who was Moyes's assistant in the earlier years and seems to have dropped off the radar. As I recall he was very well regarded and I think went in to manage West Brom for a short time.
Tony Abrahams
62 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:15:15
Sorry Steve F, the last paragraph of Steve J@54, is what I was referring to mate, and is why I started going off tandem talking about Louis Walsh!
Sam Hoare
63 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:19:35
Steve, you're not a fan of AVB clearly but he's done okay since leaving Spurs. Having a very good season with Marseille so far.

If available I think I'd maybe have him above Pereira in my list.

Jim Marray
64 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:19:42
We need a new manager and much as I love big Dunc I don't think he is ready and from what I have read he doesn't think so either.

As for all these other managers that people tout the key questions are did they improve each and every team they managed and what was the team like before they took over?

Everton are not in a position to challenge for top 4 and maybe pushing luck to challenge a very strong top 6 for the next couple of seasons. This means our next manager has to be a builder, someone who can create a strong spine in the team, identify good backups to cover injuries, etc. This also means that we need a manager who will commit himself to the club for at least 4 years, how many of the favourites will do that, Peirera like Silva appears to swap clubs every one or two years as does Jardim and Marcelino has managed only 3 seasons with one club.

We also need a manager to kick us on and looking to Moyes is a non-starter in this respect. Mind you the club could probably do no worse than pick the least favoured candidate from amongst the fan choices because both Martinez and Silva seemed to be the favourites with people on here and elsewhere at the time.

Gallardo may well be the best choice of the leading candidates but only if he can communicate with all the, predominantly English speaking, players.

Andrew James
65 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:20:16
Tony

You are right yet we have a habit of putting people together with caveats.

"Here you go Marcel, you can be Director of Football and have autonomy but the owner has already chosen our next coach..."

Immediately any players Brands might have scouted based on value or feasibility might be abandoned because they don't suit Silva's system or, worse, he brings them in anyway while Silva is already obliged to use players he inherited from a previous regime that don't suit his system.

I'm going to be generous about Silva and say I think we were another season away from having the players he needed. I got the sense that the likes of Richarlison and Iwobi were what he wanted. Sigurdsson not so much. And I am puzzled about Mina and why he left Barcelona so quickly.

Mr Ferns? Put me straight on this? I'm not holding you responsible for all things Silva like some ridiculously have but you tend to know the answers to questions like the above...appreciate your feedback on the Iwobi and Mina points.

Also would have thought Walcott fits the Silva system hence his inclusion to the annoyance of some.

Mostly irrelevant now I know!

Peter Jansson
66 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:22:36
Why and why should we hire him?

He has been shifting clubs like people shift underpants. He has been in a club for between 6 months and 2 years. How could anyone think he would bring stability to us?

No and no...

Peter Jansson
67 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:25:59
I rather let Duncan have it any day. I think we need a strong manager that does not take bullshit from neither the top-management og players.

We definietly do not want a next Martinez or Silva, that will ruin the club.

Steve Jones
68 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:36:20
Not a fan of AVB you're right Sam.

He really is 'Silva Classic'. A couple of lads in our Lisbon office were very clear, back when Moyes was being replaced, in their views of Villas-Boas limitations. The phrase one used was 'sock-puppet'. Some mention about Pereiras hand up his backside while he was at Porto. The conversation at the time being Pereira.

Their view being that he would fit well into a side like Everton but he'd have a lot to do to get a defence-first Moyes team playing his way. Seeing we've moved some way forward from there, in theory, he should have less to do now.

James Marshall
69 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:49:25
We're all gonna get what we're given anyway. No amount of crowing on here about who you think is the best candidate is going to make any difference.

What I find interesting is how much you all know about these prospective managers. I'd never heard of half of them until recently, yet you all seem to know their entire career history, and all their credentials!

Jay Harris
70 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:52:09
Most managers do well somewhere.

A lot depends on the fit at the time.

Look at how HK struggled initially and then it all came alive.

It is all about synergy.

Im reading that Moshirir wants Silva, Kenwright wants Moyes and Brands wants Gallardo or Marcellino and they are all in disagreement.

Whether thats paper talk or not I don't know but I wish Moshiri would stop playing FIFA manager, put Kenwright in his place and give Brands the support he needs.

What a clusterfuck our club has become.

James Marshall
71 Posted 10/12/2019 at 14:55:09
Jay@70

Moshiri wants Silva??!

Barry Jones
72 Posted 10/12/2019 at 15:03:00
Pereira has an average CV at best and no experience in England. Is that really the chance we want to take when we are low in the table just before Christmas?
Barry Jones
73 Posted 10/12/2019 at 15:03:40
Type or paste your comment here. PLEASE capitalise initial letters of proper names and use proper grammar. No txt-speak; all-lowercase posts are likely to be deleted
Howard Don
74 Posted 10/12/2019 at 15:53:51
Pereira not for me. Pretty average CV, no PL experience, we are STILL in a relegation battle and it needs someone with the PL nous to dig us out if that.

Duncan - Absolutely love to see him make a go of it, but not the long term answer for me yet.

Ancelotti- no thanks, doesn’t seem the force he was.

Emery - please no!

Eddie Howe - really?

Kovac/Gallardo - don’t know too much about them, but not at all convinced. Ditto no PL experience.

Rafa - take him tomorrow if interested, but huge release clause apparently so probably no go.

Which, of all the press linked contenders, leaves a certain Mr Moyes, who is still up there in the running as far as the bookies are concerned and they tend to know stuff. When you look at the above and the lack of an other serious candidates, well - Don’t be shocked if it happens.

Nicholas Ryan
75 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:08:09
I have always said: Hire people who've got something to prove. If this guy turns down £25 million a year, to come to us, BOY will he have something to prove!!
Joe O'Brien
76 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:11:54
Could actually see Brands walking if either of the others get their way. I mean that's why he was brought in for wasn't it?
For my part I don't want Pereira.. looks way too risky... that's exactly what we don't need right now. I know that every new manager brings an element of risk.. but we should be going for the least risky.
I still fancy Rafa and I don't know why his name hasn't been really mentioned that much. Couldn't be financial reasons if we actually end up going for Pereira.
Only plus point of the rs winning last weekend was that hopefully it'll finally put an end to Howe being a contender.
Thankfully big Dunc got a much needed win last weekend.. otherwise there would have been a major panic and Moyes would be more likely in place today. No way do I want him.
Going by SSN last night Rafa gave a basic 'come and get me' interview.. that's what it looked like to me anyway.
Gallardo or Rafa for me
Derek Knox
77 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:12:55
Moshiri has proved already that he is hopeless at playing Football Manager, wouldn't trust Kenwright and hopefully he won't have any part or say in who we get next.

Brands was brought in, for both his Football knowledge and connections, with our disastrous history with recent Managers, please just let him do his job, and the hiring of a new supremo, if that is what is going to happen.

Should it be done as SSN are reporting before the week-end (Perreira) where would that leave Duncan?

Tommy Surgenor
78 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:19:14
Look I am not an ITK type and normally take all rumours with a pinch of salt. I am only posting this because of the number of posts asking why Moyes odds are shortening.

I would say he is most definitely getting interviewed for the post and is on our short list. A friend of mine has had direct communication with Moyes Snr, through work, who has told him that DM cancelled a trip to Brazil planned for this week. He was then very coy as to the reasons behind it.

I’m not saying he is getting the job but I would say he is most definitely under consideration.

I appreciate this sounds like a “I know the tea lady of the man who walks DMs cousin pet rabbit” style story. So take it for what it is, a rumour.

My friend is a RS and Rangers fan but a gambler and was convinced enough by the comment to lump some dough on

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:23:35
Tommy, it certainly makes sense for him to be interviewed. I just hope that they agree it does not make sense for him to be appointed.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

80 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:31:57
Ahhh! So Moyes is in line to replace Jorge Jesus at Flamengo?

Or am I reading this all wrong?

Tommy Surgenor
81 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:36:41
Steve.

He also said contract talks have been on going since last Tuesday which I do not believe.

I can’t imagine Moyes haggling very much or why it would be so long drawn out?

Aww who knows... just hope it isn’t Moyes as that would totally defeat the purpose of having “the best” DoF in Europe. But he has no reason to lie about the extent of his conversation unless of course it is to (successfully) wind me up.

Btw. Little side story to prove it is possible. In the past, Brendans family (he is from my neck of the woods) told similar friends weeks in advance that he had got the Liverpool job and lump money on it. A lot of money was successfully placed on that appointment in this area.

Tommy Surgenor
82 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:39:05
Very good Jay. :-)

I agree it seems all a bit far fetched to me. Why would Moyes go to Brazil in the winter? Doesn’t the domestic calendar stop around this time? So it wouldn’t be for footballing reasons.

Aww I thought it was worth sharing but happy for it to be filed under “tea lady” rumour.

Brent Stephens
83 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:42:10
Jay interesting line of thought!!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

84 Posted 10/12/2019 at 16:47:59
Tommy, Copacabana Beach is quite mild at this time of year, but even so, the near translucent Moyes would need lead paint protection sun factor 50+ if he went for a paddle.
Bill Griffiths
85 Posted 10/12/2019 at 17:07:04
SSN reporting Pereira has pulled out of talks with us.
Chris Williams
86 Posted 10/12/2019 at 17:07:25
SSN

Pereira pulls out of Everton management ‘process’

Something about commitments in China

What a surprise

James Marshall
87 Posted 10/12/2019 at 17:12:48
All hail the ginger saviour!
Kevin Molloy
88 Posted 10/12/2019 at 17:14:23
by christ this is good news. What a world class no mark we have just dodged.
Jay Harris
89 Posted 10/12/2019 at 17:15:51
Pereira has pulled out thankfully (So money does talk, I couldnt see Mosh matching the 25m a year even though he is a fool with money) so that leaves the path clear for Bills favourite son and Brands isolated.
Joe McMahon
90 Posted 10/12/2019 at 17:24:04
Why the hell are we looking at this guy. We are doomed to fail every single time. We have the only billionaire who hasn't a clue with Bill holding his hand.
David Stranack
91 Posted 10/12/2019 at 18:09:12
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50735683
Steve Ferns
92 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:35:41
Portuguese press report that Vitor Pereira considered Everton too much of a gamble. We could just sack him and leave him with no where to go from there.

This is the problem we now face. The likes of Ten Hag, Gallardo, Marcelino, and so on will all be thinking that Everton is a difficult job and they are risking their immediate career by taking the job.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

93 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:43:57
I think there were 25 million others reasons Pereira chose to remain in China Steve rather than 'risk' his reputation and future prospects by joining us.
Steve Ferns
94 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:44:55
I don't disagree Jay. This is just how it is reported back home.

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