Paul Joyce claims that the club was close last night to agreeing terms with the 57-year-old Scot who spent 11 years at Goodison Park before leaving for a failed spell at Manchester United.
Moyes followed that with unsuccessful spells at Real Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham and has been out of work since being ditched by the Hammers 18 months ago in favour of Manuel Pellegrini.
Everton sacked manager Marco Silva last week and placed Duncan Ferguson in temporary charge of Saturday's pulsating victory over Chelsea but according to The Times they are ready to turn back to Moyes after failing to land Vitor Pereira from SIPG Shanghai.
Joyce writes that "it was not clear last night whether Moyes ... will be appointed initially on an interim basis with the possibility of the role becoming permanent if he makes a successful start, or whether he would be given the job on a longer-term contract."
Original Source: The Times
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1 Posted 11/12/2019 at 02:35:47
More frighteningly if there is any truth in it this, it means that Not So Tiny Tears is still having too much influence in the Board and the Selection process.
Can't imagine Brands condoning this anyway.
2 Posted 11/12/2019 at 02:40:56
3 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:02:13
Let's hope this nightmare scenario is the most fanciful of rumours to date by the time I awake tomorrow.
If not, it's my prediction that this will hugely split the fan base.
4 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:14:18
We deserve to go down.
It would be the most idiotic, stupid, brainless, insert synonym here, act I've ever seen a professional franchise commit.
And I'm getting old, and we have a shit-ton of sports over here, so I've seen a damn few stupid things in my time!
Can't be. We're not THAT dysfunctional!
5 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:36:21
6 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:49:36
If this is Brands Idea, he should quit.
If it isn't Brands Idea, he should quit.
Is there no limit to the ways these two clowns, tweedledum and tweedledumber, will find to make us an even bigger laughing stock than were already are.
Pereira and rs Rafa have ruled themselves out...hurrah.
If our one hope is that West Ham's Board are bigger (and faster on the draw with a contract) fools than our muppets, then I despair.
7 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:50:45
8 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:56:20
9 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:06:53
In the absence of Richard Dodd I welcome your comments.
10 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:13:06
I think its abut time for a ToffeeWeb poll Mike/ Lyndon. Lets send the democratic vote to a board that is divided and think its FIFA management game time.
11 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:14:40
12 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:22:26
13 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:25:25
Feels like Deja vu all over again. Two years ago Moshiri shit his pants and brought in Allardyce, he appears to have soiled his shorts again and wants to bring in Moyes on a short term contract.
14 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:45:10
15 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:03:32
16 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:09:26
Which leaves Moyes, that bloke with the call centre headset and Barry ‘Baz Rathbone ready to renew their treadmill 5k time trial challenge.
Sorry. I just transported back to 2006. Like Everton, innit?
17 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:18:39
Paul Joyce is an RS, supporter, Id like to see the facts behind this claim.
I prays it BS.
18 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:21:54
19 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:23:58
20 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:30:29
So what's he going to do when United come calling for a cut price Richarlison or Digne; because he would NEVER stand in their way right!
. "But I also know if I had been Everton manager and Sir Alex (Ferguson) had come asking for Baines and Fellaini I'd have found it very difficult to keep them.
He does not deserve this football club nor the respect of the supporters of this football club, with derisory comments like that.
21 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:50:37
If he can learn from his mistakes, i.e being too cautious away against the top sides then he will take us forward. No point in a short term deal. Moyes is about building something long-term. I know his record since leaving is poor, but he has joined some pretty dysfunctional clubs.
22 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:50:50
Jay from Brazil is concerned - says it all for me.
23 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:58:18
Moyes of course does have his down sides, but hes still a damn good manager. Keeping the basket case that is West Ham up last year whilst spending no money was an excellent job. I also think he's tailor made for us at the moment, insofar as we have some young kids he will like (dcl, Tom and Mason) and he will be excellent in the transfer market. if there is one thing this club needs right now, it is to not waste any more money. What price now for a Joleon Lescott? there's nobody better qualified to undertake that sort of job
24 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:59:35
And were left with Moyes.
Wonderful stage management I have to admit, but Kenwright has been treating all as audience dummies for the duration. He is the cause of the factions at Everton - theres a rumour that I reckon can be readily substantiated.
25 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:04:07
26 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:07:31
27 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:09:34
Do we think Moyes will play to our tactical strengths, or his? Does he even know what they are? Do we have any? Chances are strong well be back to playing hoof ball upfront to a midfielder converted to a striker.
28 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:22:30
What terrible news to wake up to.
This would be a truly awful appointment and would show that BK somehow still runs the show. Bonkers.
Cant see Brands staying much longer as this would certainly not be his appointment.
29 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:22:32
Just because all the pundits and media keep saying he's the man for the job doesn't make it true.
I won't forget how he conducted himself when courted by the Mancs and how he came after Fellaini et al when he finally went.
He won't do anything that Duncan can't do.
30 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:23:14
31 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:27:34
32 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:32:47
The fact is that Everton is in our blood and in our soul. They could appoint Corbyn and Id still follow every game intently and get to Goodison as often as other commitments allow.
33 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:40:16
34 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:41:17
35 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:45:19
Yet some are happy to re-appoint a manager who literally shit on us and left for the Utd job before trying to take two of our best players for peanuts making the comments he did towards a side he managed for 11 years and had a ''connection with''.
Now forgive me but how backwards is that. I don't know if Benitez is the answer to our problems but I am damn sure that ruling him out based on one comment is bordering on lunacy. Appointing Moyes after what he did is also bordering on Lunacy.
I am still in the Gallardo camp but just wanted a small rant.
36 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:46:20
Option A - Build new ground with increased capacity but that will take at least 3 years.
Option B - Appoint David Moyes.
37 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:46:23
God give me strength, to remain a fan of this hopeless club.
38 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:48:13
Have a guess who that minority shareholder was?
While Moyes should be commended for his time at Everton in putting us back at the right end of the table while spending comparatively little, his record since then speaks for itself. He is not the long term solution and the efforts on Saturday should have bought the board more time to sound out a more progressive coach, or someone who can instil a winning mentality into the players.
39 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:51:25
Get the freakin' message!
40 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:51:38
In total Lost 3, drew 1.
41 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:58:30
42 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:08:25
43 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:15:51
I believe that they would benefit by getting a genuine grass roots barometer of how the majority of fans felt. Okay they would have to read a good cross section to be able to do that, let's face it we do see some crazy suggestions on here, but if not a regular poster, you never know if it's a true feeling or a wind up merchant, or indeed an infiltrators.
Oh yes I believe a lot of journal's trawl/troll these and other Club's similar fan website to get a story or gossip gather. You must admit Bob, when I referred to regular posters, that every now and then there is a 'contribution from someone who is unfamiliar and proposes or throws fuel on a smouldering fire and then stands well clear.
Like I have said on several occasions, until proven otherwise, Brands is the only one I would trust on any Football related issues, I just hope he is allowed to do his job without any hindrance.
44 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:18:04
45 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:24:50
46 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:26:46
47 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:30:49
In regard to the Times report (Conjecture?) my main gripe is "Why would we want Moyes when we already have Ferguson?" Moyes has ditched Everton and Ferguson has embraced Everton! OK, if Duncan doesn't think he's ready, look further afar for the next few years but don't step back - it seldom works!
48 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:45:22
49 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:48:34
How many wins away at Arsenal?
How many wins away at Man Utd?
How many wins at Anfield?
How many trophies?
If this happens we are the biggest laughing stock in premiership football. I would have rather have given Silva more time than employ a declining dinosaur.
A dinosaur who bled us dry whilst peddling his self serving glass ceiling hard done by knife to a gun fight mantra.
Football has moved on and the dinosaur has been left behind. Our status as a club is telling if all we can do is employ David fucking Moyes.
The only person pushing for this will be Blue Bill and his puppet Prof DDB. I will personally have to consider my standing with this club if he comes back.
What a joke,
50 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:51:08
51 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:52:45
Perhaps he knows that after a couple of defeats those lauding him will be calling him useless. Or worse.
Like they were when he was centre forward coach?
52 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:59:32
53 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:04:10
54 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:11:02
Well said re Benitez.
He ticks all the boxes for me.
If we have to wait for him so be it.
Are we going to qualify for Europe this year? Extremely unlikely.
Moyes doesnt want an interim contract, and I dont blame him, so hes out (thankfully).
Give DF a couple more games and use the time to make a balanced appointment.
55 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:13:04
How disappointing. We are going nowhere if this happens.
I have always believed that we could get back to where we belong, playing good football and challenging for trophies- now if Moyes is appointed we will be finished.
I heard that last week Moyes was approached and offered a 6 month deal which he supposedly turned down wanting 2 years and I thought that cannot be true but now its looking as though maybe something is going on.
Please let it just be paper talk.
This could be a really bad week with Moyes being appointed and liar Johnson winning the election.
56 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:15:43
Spot on mate! I've said all along that Kenwright still has a huge say in the running of the club. Wouldn't be surprised if part of the deal with Moshiri was that he got to stay on and 'advise' etc. Reckon this is what drove the Man City owners away, they wouldn't stand for such nonsense!
Only Kenwright would want Moyes, I bloody don't! Look forward for once, Brands must know of other managers out there, Christ, the RS got Klopp!
Why do we either (a) look at failures (Martinez, Silva) or, go back to the past (Moyes)?
Its a joke, and not a funny one.
57 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:24:04
Theres a reason for that.
58 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:24:58
1. As an Evertonian, who would I choose to lead us out onto the Old Trafford pitch on Sunday in the hope of getting a result - David Moyes or Duncan Ferguson?
2. If I was a United fan who would I like to see leading Everton out at Old Trafford?
59 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:33:08
60 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:41:09
So the board have a couple of choices, leave Duncan in charge and see how it goes, or appoint a manager who has little or no experience in the Premier league. The final option is appoint someone who knows the league, and someone who will take the job till the end of the season and take Duncan as his assistant. So I am not surprised that Moyes is in the frame, and I agree with the maxim of never going back, but maybe by doing this we don't lose the passion that Ferguson showed but he has an experience pair of hands to help him.
61 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:44:39
62 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:47:27
I hate to say this, but when you look at the way the club has been lead over the last 25 years, we get the manager we deserve
63 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:55:51
Not Moyes !
NO ! NO ! NO, NOT MOYES !!!
64 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:56:14
Apparently he had a rule about nobody shouting in the dressing room, just about sums the guy up as a manager, who liked to sulk endlessly on the touchline. He had the personality of a dead sheep, dark days indeed, but at least there gone!
65 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:09:41
66 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:14:38
67 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:18:43
68 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:20:35
I'm just hoping this is more media bullshit and that Moshiri is listening to Brands, because surely Brands wouldn't advocate having Moyes back.
I'm holding off on getting the length of rope out of the shed just now but should Moyes be confirmed I know where it is.
69 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:27:01
We know this is Kenwright's play (no pun) but if Moshiri capitulates then he really is clueless and weak. He may be a billionaire and this conjures up someone aggressive and dynamic but he made all his money off being Usmanov's accountant and so it seems his strength is in that field, rather than being a leader. If Bill wins this fight we'll get our definitive answer on Farhad.
Felt on a high on Saturday as we had passion and energy on the field and the sideline, for once. I figured that leaving DF in charge up to and including the Arsenal game would give us more time to get the right man in, assuming Dunc doesn't thrash everyone 3-0 in the meantime. For me the only options are young managers with winning resumes (Gallardo, Jardim etc) or someone with a class resume (Benitez, Ancelotti). Not poaching someone from teams with more losses than wins, or routinely mired in relegation battles, retreads or journeymen.
Moyes's record since leaving us is poor. Without the historical connection he wouldn't be getting a second look. Silva gets stick - and rightly so _ but compare and contrast him parachuting in to try and save a terrible Hull side; brought in some good options in the window and got them playing, almost pulled it off. Moyes at Sunderland: brought in a bunch of washed-up old boys and bums, then moaned to the press before the season kicked off about how they'd be in a relegation dogfight. Embarrassing.
70 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:40:36
You've successfully disappointed me for over 30 years and yet still I've returned. But I promise you, if you appoint David Moyes as the new manager of Everton Football Club, I am finished.
You have an opportunity now to define your ambition. Do not determine that ambition to be one of plucky underdogs always coming close but never actually achieving.
David Moyes is the epitome of mediocre. A manager that was average 10-years ago before the game had moved on. Consider why other premier league clubs that do not have the stature of Everton, who have been searching for a manager in the last 18-months (Newcastle, Watford x3, Leicester) have not even considered this man.
Please, I am begging you, literally begging you, don't do it.
71 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:44:05
I stopped going to Goodison after Wigan knocked Everton out of the FA CUP, because I was fed up with him and Kenwright, but luckily for me Moyes left at the end of that season with a distinction in deception, because I dont know many who have pulled the wool, over the fella who has pulled the wool over everyones eyes for years!
72 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:47:35
73 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:50:37
I cannot see any reason on Gods green earth why we would want to appoint Moyes again, football has left him behind now, as proven in his jobs since leaving here.
Moyes could do nothing that Duncan Ferguson couldnt do between now and May so in my opinion this is pure insanity and it will prove that the board have yet again panicked same as the Allardyce appointment.
Hopefully the board wake up and see whats in front of them and that the short term appointment of Big Dunc would be universally popular whereas the Moyes move would be a disaster as soon as things started going wrong on the pitch.
74 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:02:56
I look forward to Manchester United having their pick of any of our players, as if he were reappointed then I couldn't argue with his expressed sentiment that keeping a player at Everton would be stifling their ambition, as we sure as hell wouldn't have any left!
Whatever happened to NSNO? Some of the relegation panickers on here should remember the motto too and take a long hard look at themselves and their pursuit of mediocrity. While we may only be two points above the relegation zone, two teams are cut adrift (we are six points above 2nd bottom), many around us are in a worse state, and we are 10th favourites for relegation (at 16/1), according to the bookies. Only three go down. Do us all a favour and stop panicking.
75 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:08:00
76 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:13:16
77 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:16:41
Moyes would be a fine way of taking all the positivity from Saturday and shitting all over it.
78 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:17:52
79 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:23:38
80 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:26:12
81 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:27:51
82 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:53:16
83 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:05:00
84 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:07:32
If there is any truth in this then the lunatics really have taken over the asylum.
85 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:10:37
86 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:14:02
87 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:16:16
88 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:16:48
89 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:19:39
90 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:23:07
Too much money, Sky darling teams, blatant cheating (even encouraged at times), mercenary players etc. In truth, I don't want Everton to become the new Chelsea/Man City. seemingly no soul any more, just loads of money and a turnover of mercenary players. But, I guess that IS what football has become now.
Yet, looking at Leicester (possibly Wolves), surely Everton can have a progressive plan? Investment (but not throwing money about like confetti). people at the top who know what they're doing would be a start!
91 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:27:38
92 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:27:52
93 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:32:03
I don't even know what clout Kenwright has, but if he is still having influence and Moyes does come in it makes a mockery of the structure put in place.
Moyes should never come back, I would rather have Ferguson until a suitable manager is found
94 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:32:13
95 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:32:53
I think Ill just follow both World Darts tournaments a lot more closely if thats the case, pretend it isnt happening.
Itll be a case checking our results on teletext, and watching MOTD if we win.
Cant be arsed with this grim football again.
Remember, Moyes = one striker up front.
Dont forget that, it will never be two up front with him, unlike Duncan and his 442.
96 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:35:10
97 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:38:49
98 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:45:42
99 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:45:44
And it costs pittance compared the ones we have now.
We played the best football ever under him to date and we were respected because of him despite struggling financially and almost ending up in administration three times.
Despite the difficulties, we were still able to finish top half consistently.
Those who slack off David Moyes are the same people that was ecstatic when we appointed Marco SIlva
100 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:46:45
101 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:47:37
102 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:50:09
103 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:50:43
I think we fans need to make our feelings known somehow, though not sure of the best way of doing it.
Steve's (#88) idea of turning up at the game but not in and staying outside I guess would be one option.
How do we organise something like this is another question.
104 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:53:00
The only reason why he fought of dressing room unrest in the past was because he had people like Neville and Cahill to help his cause and by players knowing he was here for life if he could achieve mid table every season so there was little to no chance of getting him sacked. He might not even have the same effect this time and even if he did there is a ceiling with him. Winners find a way of winning and this man has failed for over twenty years.
Looking at the results of the ToffeeWeb poll by far the majority of people don't want him back but there will always be some bread and butter fans who are satisfied with passion alone and have a mental block in recognising the limitations of Moyes. I really hope this is not true but it's one of the reasons why Kenwright not being at the club cannot come quick enough.
105 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:53:56
For me, since Kenwright has been there, and if he remains, we will not progress. Sorry, but that's my take on it. I had hoped Moshiri or Usmanov's man (forget his name) had the nous to push us on. It's not happening so far.
106 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:55:56
107 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:56:11
It was more like ‘Oh, look at plucky little Everton, there doing well arent they? With their stern looking Scottish manager. That s a proper club that. Theyve got no chance of winning anything but arent they lovely, eh
It wasnt respect, it was patronising in the extreme. We were not a threat at all, thats why we got this so called ‘respect. Plucky little Everton.
You know when youre doing well as a club because you start getting abuse from all corners, not respect.
We posed no threat to the establishment, and our expectations were lowered to the point where our own fans had been gaslighted into believing David Moyes is a great manager.
Give me a list of the trophies hes won.
108 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:56:45
Moyes towards the end made it all about him.
Every headline was
“plucky little Everton punching above their weight thanks to David Moyes “
“Moyes held back by Evertons financial restraints, what could he achieve at a big club”
It went on blah blah blah.
He never won a single Anfield derby (against some shit Liverpool teams) because he bottled it formation wise.
He never won a Cup because he openly admitted to not taking them serious enough at times.
We were eventually held back by David Moyes.
People forget that Moyes second season in charge he was very lucky to not get sacked then, 17th place with our lowest ever points total.
How about the 2005/06 season?
A run of results that seen us beaten -by a 4-0 score line by Aston Villa, West Brom and Bolton, the same year we lost 7-0 at Arsenal.
The season we finished 4th we actually lost TEN matches in the second half of that season, we only nicked 4th because Liverpool were concentrated on the Champions League Final against Milan.
Whilst I dont want to take away the decent things Moyes did do, yes he stabilised the ship in 2002, for a while he was what we needed but the reality is, a good few years before he left, we had already outgrown him by then.
Going back never works, especially to someone with 11 years and no success to show for it.
109 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:59:02
Well said! Agree with everything you both say.
110 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:00:15
111 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:04:51
112 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:07:40
113 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:08:16
114 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:10:29
All dogs have their day. Hey lets call up David OLeary he got Leeds into the Champions league, or maybe John Gregory he did well at Villa. Jean Tigana the old Fulham manager is out of work. Terry Venables did well at Euro 96.
Moyes should be a distant speck in our rear view mirror he's the past we need to look to the future.
This club would be an absolute disgrace to go back.
115 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:13:47
116 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:15:57
He has watched every training session and every game this squad has been involved in. He knows this squad better than anyone, their strengths and weaknesses. So who better to take the club forward, for me its a no brainer, but this club very rarely appoints the right people.
117 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:16:47
118 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:17:56
Was it purely a media creation, because the myth still lingers. The scrutiny of the Man U job exposed him as an arrogant fraud to a much larger majority of sensible football fans.
But, his reputation was still strong enough within the game and the boys club punditry circle to land a few more jobs.
I got chatting to a cockney cabbie in old London town while Moyes was at the helm of The Hammers. This guy, West Ham fan, picked up on my accent, went straight into football chat, assumed I was a Liverpool fan (they always do dont they?), I corrected him. Then he went straight in with ‘Oh this fackkn c**t Moyes! It was your boy werent he?
I went on to explain that I wasnt his biggest fan, and then he goes,
‘Mate, Id rather watch fackin paint dry,
119 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:18:48
Phil Browns his name...……...Kenwright get on the mobile when The Prof DBB has finished talking selfies
120 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:20:00
If it happens all I can hope it that its on an interim basis because our primary target, who must be someone with a much better record and bigger profile, has already accepted an offer to join us at the end of the season.
121 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:23:24
Youre so right. Its the sensible appointment, not an overly emotional, sentimental one.
It just makes sense, its not that risky at all.
122 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:24:40
Phil McNulty says its possible Moyes will come back, Phil threatened by Joe Royle that he would stick a passing hedgehog up his arse, after Phil wrote a true version, to me anyway, of another poor Everton performance under Joe Royle, I also hope Phil McNulty is wrong over this Kenwright inspired backing of Moyes to come back.
I think that Moyes has a good chance of being the manager while Kenwright is still getting his voice heard, I hope it falls on deaf but sensible ears.
123 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:27:38
If this doesn't sum up the mans undiluted arrogance and enormous ego then I don't know what does.
He obviously believes he'd be doing US a favour by stepping back into the breach rather than this club helping out his finished managerial career.
His return (if it happens) stinks of BK and his meddling again. When the fuck are we finally going to be rid of this buffoon?
124 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:31:17
125 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:38:35
The deluded man still believes it.
126 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:47:21
127 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:51:35
128 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:55:23
129 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:55:34
130 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:03:31
What happens if he was to go on a bad run, it will be a riot.
I suppose if Duncan does not want the job they have to find someone, but it is and will be viewed as another backward step if they appoint Moyes.
Come on Dunc. step up to the plate, you can do it.
131 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:04:11
132 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:04:12
If Brands is against it and has been overruled then it shows he has nil input, is a waste of space and should sod off back to Holland.
133 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:15:03
Lot of negativity from you lot but let's get real. The team are on a high after Chelsea. Fergie can go to Old Trafford with some good will in the tank meaning that even if we lose we will have a packed house fired up for Leicester in the cup. More than likely Fergie will focus on getting a result and field the strongest team against Brenda's B team.
Why would we want that to happen when we can get Moyes back. We need Moyes to lower expectations and remind us we're in a relegation battle. That we need 5 or 6 free transfers or loan signings in January. To remind us of the quality United have. To explain to use why he fielded a B team against Leicester's B team in the cup game we lost so that we can concentrate on the relegation battle. We also need Moyes to unsettle and alienate Richarlison so we can cash in on him in January. We need Moyes to dither on spending some of that money on a loan fee for Stephen Naismith only to see the clock run down and the window close. It's as if none of you negative nellies can see the big picture here. Clearly, Moyes is the Moyesiah.
134 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:16:48
The only thing to save us would be on condition Big Duncan is the No 2,the backroom staff Duncan has got.
Big Duncan should have a big voice on the training pitch,in the dressing room and in the technical area.
David Moyes up against Big Dunc I know who wins that argument.
Its the only way itsgoing to work.
If big Dunc asks us to embrace it, then we gotta give it a go for the sake of the Club.
But if Moyes comes in trys to shut Dunc out,bring in his yes men, No.
It will be Moyes out louder than anything we heard last Sat.
Moyes 1 Dunc his No. 9999999999.Axe drops it drops on Moyes and Kenwrights head.
135 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:19:58
136 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:20:14
The fact no ones even made him an offer since he left West Ham and getting Sunderland relegated should set alarm bells ringing to the board. The fact it doesnt is worrying
137 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:22:57
138 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:26:51
Option 1: Brands 1st Choice
Option 2: Brands 2nd choice
Option 3: Brands 3rd Choice
Option 4: Duncan (if not Brands 1/2/3)
Option 5: David Unsworth
Option 1348: Roberto Martinez
Option 1349: Sam Allardyce
Option 1350: Ronald Koeman
Option 1351: Marco Silva
Option 1352: Gun to the head
Option 1353: David Moyes
Option 1354: End of the world
139 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:29:08
To me it smacks of the board trying to make a short-term fix to save a few bob. Perhaps it would be better to wait and see how we do with just Duncan.
What does seem apparent is that the job isn't attracting the right kind of interest. So much for the calls for us to go for the best.
140 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:32:19
141 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:32:25
142 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:32:58
It also saves them a few quid from last week's plan of hiring Cahill as no.2 to buffer Moyes' unpopularity
143 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:35:23
Kenwright must be thanking his lucky stars for the years we flirted with relegation in the 90's and particularly the two last day escapes.It's secured his control of the club from outright fear of a repeat,dumbed down expectation and eventually made him a very rich man.
I'm glad ToffeeWeb have run this poll though because if it's a reflection of other polls then the message is clear and cannot be interpreted differently as the media are claiming the fans are split on the idea and trying to give the impression it's 50/50.
144 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:36:31
My worry is Phil McNulty. The BBC are usually pretty careful about posting unsubstantiated rumors. Case in point, last week McNulty said Silva was still employed after the Echo and tabloids said he had been sacked. Then about 2 minutes later McNulty said "oh yeah he's been sacked." I am not sure if it's the BBC editorial policies or McNulty being gun shy after run ins with Joe Royle. But he doesn't tend to say anything these days unless it's already happened or is very likely to.
145 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:39:32
But I'm not in full-blown despair or volcano erupting anger mode just yet.
There has been a whole raft of rumours and favourites in recent days.
Let's see how this actually plays out before going into full meltdown.
That said, if Moyes does return, the club and its guardians will fully deserve all the scorn and outrage that I believe will follow from the supporters.
Interesting that the Moyes back poll is replicating the numbers from a similar poll on another site last week, 84% against, 16% for. That's a landslide, in General Election speak.
I'm curious to know who of TW's regular posters are in the 16% 'Yes' camp, because they are most certainly not being vocal about it in their posts. That equates to 116 people of the 724 who have voted to date as I write.
If I didn't believe in the integrity of internet polls (cough!), I'd have to conclude that either they are genuine Blues, but deep TW moles that read but don't post, or alternatively, trolls and mischief makers.
I wonder which is most likely?
146 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:45:39
147 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:47:29
148 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:48:15
I cannot believe that any DoF in a professional capacity would either propose or endorse a Moyes appointment. Brands will be a laughing stock among his peers and I cannot see how he could remain at the club if he has any self respect.
The dream team of Kenwright and Moyes is, for me, a nightmare. West Ham fans will be breathing a massive sigh of relief.
149 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:53:16
150 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:55:54
This is terrible news if true. 
Agreeing with the majority, and Derek #1 & Ron #2
151 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:59:45
152 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:02:57
Its where you put a large price next to the sale price of the item/service.
Eg. “Reduced was £100 Now £75”
You were never intended to pay the £100 anchor price, it just moves the customers frame of reference to make the sales price look like good value.
In football you will often see clubs, especially big ones where the seller may consider the sale inevitable, start with an outrageously low bid for a player (not Everton) to move the sellers desired sell price from the centre of their range of reference to the top (with the anchor bid at the bottom).
I suspect (hope and pray) there is a similar practice in PR.
David Moyes is the anchor and anyone else the board appoints will be more palatable for the punters.
153 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:04:43
Jay, in respect of your "suspicions" with regard to the poll, they held one on Talksport this morning.
They had 12,000 votes at the time of announcing it and it was 76% against Moyes and 24% for him.
That 24% could also be made up of trolls, either that or the world has gone truly mad!
154 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:05:48
155 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:07:01
The side have many faults but they are NOT the 3rd worse team in the league, I can only assume this is BS, It would be a new low for our club
At a minimum give the Big Man another 6 games and let us see how things pan out.
What else could Drew possibly mean ;)
156 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:14:41
157 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:21:19
158 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:23:47
159 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:24:42
160 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:31:00
At the very least this reminds us of the need for a competent PR person. Ian Ross continues to be missed.
161 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:32:12
I thought we had reached our nadir with Allardyce.
If this happens our self respect as a club is massively damaged and,
after 64 years I'm out.
162 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:32:45
If you replace Duncan with TGT, you're going to spend millions more.
And is your final place in the table really going to be any better? For my money, it'll be worse!!
The only explanation for this is Bill Kenwright. Now I'm not necessarily a BK hater, but nor am I a lover of him at all.
If we actually hire Moyes, it has to be a BK move. It's got his fingerprints all over it.
And you can hate him for a myriad of things, the Kings Dock fiasco at the top of the list for me. But if this lovey, power-grabbing, sentimental, spinless, weasel-shit of a man ensures Moyes is hired and we go down, which is a real possibility?
He should be hung, drawn, quartered, body feasted on by crows, and then tossed into the River Mersey, with a priest behind him performing an exorcism to rid us of the lingering demons.
I despair. How is this even a story? If there's any shred of truth to this, we are an absolute fucking circus.
And what is the mindset and logic in any of this??
163 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:36:49
Dear oh dear won't these Muppets who run Everton ever learn?? Moyes isn't a backwards step its far worse than that. Bringing back David Moyes is a stone cold guaranteed relegation fight scenario with relegation almost a given. I for one will be done with Everton if Kenwright is allowed his wish of bringing back that fool Moyes.
Any feel good factor Big Dunc gave the fans on Saturday is slowly disappearing as the club are linked with a string of losers and none entities. Only at Everton does the Captain of the ship purposely head for the Iceberg.
Moyes will doom this club to the Championship. Why bring back a man who never beats the Big teams when all we are facing in the next two months are the big teams??? I give up my brain is starting to bleed.
164 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:49:16
Why don't we protest properly and get ourselves down in large numbers to the Liver Building and tell DBB what we think of the board and it's decisions or lack thereof.
165 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:13:52
166 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:14:04
The blame is firmly on Silva for being so incompetent that it's come to this
167 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:16:39
Nice analogy with your 'price anchoring' analogy.
I fear this is more likely a Black Friday sell-off of dated stock.
You're tempted by the huge discount being offered on a dated tech appliance, compared to it's price when first launched several years ago.
A week after picking up this mega, unmissable deal, the very latest version of the same appliance is on the market for just a few quid extra than you paid, more compatible with your other appliances and current needs.
And you feel a mug for being sucked in as you were.
168 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:29:48
It's interesting that the current 85/15 against Moyes is stronger than the original 80/20 against Allardyce.
169 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:31:06
Farhad Moshiri: "Where do you fancy for dinner tonight, love? The Dorchester Restaurant orrrrrrr. Greggs?"
Mrs. Moshiri: "Errrrrrr."
170 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:55:50
Does anyone have the number for the Clown with the cake from the Kenwright demonstrations a few years back? If Moyes is reappointed, he needs to be the guy leading the official welcoming party.
171 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:04:29
It cant all be trolls.
No one can be that bored can they?
172 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:11:33
173 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:15:00
174 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:27:11
175 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:55:33
176 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:03:35
But no, it seems from all the ridiculous negativity on here that he took us all the way down to the non-leagues and bulldozed Goodison to turn into a sausage factory?! I mean come on, what is wrong with you people? He was easily the best manager we have had in recent times and up there with the best ever. Yet some on here say they would rather have Silva back in charge and end up in the Championship or that they will refuse to go to any games if Moyes gets it? These same people though were happy to turn out for the rubbish and losses we have seen from Silva, Koeman and Martinez since Moyes left.
Talking about it being a backward step makes me laugh too - guess what, the only thing that has gone backwards is the club since Moyes left. With him we were fighting at the upper end of the table each year, since then we have gradually declined. We can't go backwards with Moyes now cos we haven't gone forward consistently since he left.
177 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:23:40
How has Moshiri made any money? If he sanctions this he is insane.
In fact, if we are at the "I'm Shit At Running A Football Club, Get Me Out Of Here!" stage then I've got my badges so I reckon I'll apply next week!
Give it the Big Man till the end of the season and just keep the money rolling Farhad-you know Jack shit in respect of football, nor does the drag queen that sits next to you every week.
I am astounded!!!
178 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:00:10
179 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:11:52
180 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:18:45
181 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:19:54
182 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:39:10
Now, let's see if Duncan have more than one string to his fiddle, as I see he's been confirmed for the Man U game. Fingers crossed!
183 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:42:11
Unless a top class manager comes available, we should stick with Ferguson until after Christmas. The performance he got out of the team last weekend will give him time from the fans and i'm expecting another good performance from us on Sunday.
If Moyes comes in the atmosphere will be toxic unless he goes on a run of wins.
184 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:44:20
Perhaps short memories isn't the problem.. perhaps clarity and lucid recollection of 11 years of mostly dull, dour and coma inducing negative football is the reason for this rightful outpouring of grief at the suggestion of Moyes returning.
We have hopefully moved on.. and so should you.
185 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:45:18
Happily, I think Bill knows how this plays out. He knows dummies will be spat out everywhere with an appointment now, so let's see how the next seven days go. After that, I reckon Moyes will return, and I for one will be relieved.
186 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:47:12
187 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:48:28
What a laughable contribution ‘up there with the best ever - really? - are you hitting the Christmas hard stuff early and or taking hallucinogens?
In 11 years we never won at Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea in the league. We never won anything, reached one cup final and on the whole served up turgid, boring football. He should have been sacked in his second season when we finished 17th. I do have a long memory Ive been attending since 1968 and I can assure you to make a comment as crass ‘up there with the best - you are comparing him to Catterick, Kendall Royle is insulting and just bloody stupid. My memory serves me very well and the football served up by Colin Harveys and the much maligned Gordon Lees Everton teams was far superior and check the positions they achieved in the league.Moyes should be allowed nowhere near this club. If BK is so nostalgic he should try modelling himself on John Moores ruthless and determined to do the best for Everton not turn us into some kind of circus and laughing stock.
188 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:51:16
His pact with Kenwright and other boardroom frauds eventually pocketed them all a small fortune simply by removing ambition from this club - criminal as far as I'm concerned
Moyes appointment would be akin to a crook returning to the scene of the crime
189 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:04:44
And then he set his tactics up to not lose games at Man U, just like he did with EFC for the prior 11 years. Instead of heeding SAF's advice to retain Man U's old assistant manager to gain knowledge of SAF's way/secrets, DM decided to switch that back-up cannon for his own towed-along medieval ballista...
No, please, NO!
190 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:10:35
To be fair to Mr Moyes, we do owe him one for taking Darron Gibson off our wage bill.
191 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:12:49
192 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:19:23
As that old Chinese proverb (which is actually a curse...) says it: May you live in interesting times!
We're now living in interesting times!
193 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:19:43
194 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:20:54
195 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:24:19
196 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:28:01
197 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:28:05
198 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:34:38
Firstly, I can see past the quality of the football, because there was some game of sublime football, although often against sides we should beat, and as soon as we lost one, it was back to basics. I can see past the comments about how Everton were "a disgrace" to prevent Baines and Fellaini joining Man Utd. I can even see past how he managed our great club for 11 years and won the same as Silva, Walker and Martinez for Everton = nothing.
For me it's all about his ability. He was sacked at Man Utd, he finished BELOW Everton with a title winning side! Then he went to Spain and made an absolute tit of himself. MOYES SPEAKING SPANISH. And from there his record was abysmal. He lost more than he won with 28.6% win percentage.
Next stop on the Moyes comedy tour was Sunderland. He won 8 of 43 games, a win percentage of 18.6%. When he first came to Everton he showed he was clever and observant and got the fans on side with his people's club comments. Here he was arrogant and ignorant. His comments upset the fans immediately telling them they are in for a relegation battle.
Finally onto West Ham, where he did keep West Ham up, but he only won 9 games from 31, a win percentage of 29.0%.
What do Man Utd, Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham fans think of Moyes? They think he's dogshit. An utter failure. And yet some want that failure, a guy who's combined Post Man Utd win percentage is 25.0% to come here. Have a word with yourselves. This is not the Davie Moyes you remember. He is old, he is beat up, he can't handle the pressure. An example of Moyes now cracking under the pressure? Threatening to give a female journalist a slap. He'd never have done that at Everton. The Davie Moyes we knew is gone. Regardless of what you think of him. This 56 year old version is tired, weary, lacking confidence, out of touch with the modern game, unable to relate to youth, and most importantly wins 1 in 4 games.
Not good enough.
199 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:40:18
200 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:46:00
Thx for any help.
201 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:49:27
202 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:51:21
Let's be blunt here, the best argument for Moyes is that he's not as shit as who we've had since. Do we really want to recruit someone based on what he did (win nothing) years ago? Are we really that 'small club' Benitez referred to, that upsets many on here, but has a large grain of truth?
203 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:54:37
204 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:58:08
Oh, word of warning from the last time I met an American Toffee in the pub, he was so shocked at the price of beer he tried to spend as much as he thought he'd spend and was drinking very quickly and before kick-off seemed to be in no fit state to enjoy the match! He said it was 2.5 times more expensive over your side of the Atlantic.
205 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:02:29
206 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:05:43
207 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:21:51
He left 6 years ago in 2013.
Would any of the following clubs advocate reverting to any of the following managers who were in charge of them in either 2002 or 2013?
Man City - Kevin Keegan/Brian Kidd
Leicester - Dave Basset/Nigel Pearson
Wolves - David Jones/Dean Saunders
Spurs - David Pleat/Tim Sherwood
Palace - Ian Dowie/Tony Pullis
Need I go on?
And before comes back and say: 'Yeah, but some of them are REALLY old and never did much as managers anyway..."
208 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:29:18
209 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:31:50
210 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:32:59
211 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:39:13
But now you've started it
How about pitch pigeon scarer-offer, as long as it doesn't extend to Richarlison?
212 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:43:53
I think you must have some very Moyes tinted spectacles. Your comments are lacking credibility.
David Moyes was one lucky bloke to get 11 unchallenged years at Everton when he never got his hands near a trophy, was a serial loser at what we consider our natural rivals' grounds, and played some very drab football on an all-too-frequent basis.
If, as you suggest, he can be judged against the best, dig out some footage of Kendall's Mk I teams or any of Catterick's great sides – you will then see how an Everton side should play football.
213 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:45:27
214 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:53:50
4-4-2's weaknesses were there for you to see. Go back, watch the game, you'll see them if you watch it objectively.
215 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:58:07
216 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:58:29
No debate to be had here.
The Earth is not flat.
Moyes is finished.
217 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:04:46
Sorry Jay, missed your pigeon joke!
218 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:09:15
Isn't it interesting how so many managers fade away from the top level so fast.
Tim Sherwood was shite.
219 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:11:04
220 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:12:55
I find it astonishing the stick the man gets on here. At the very least he deserves credit for consistently delivering top half finishes, making some of the best signings in Premier League History, and for a couple of seasons, playing some fantastic football.
We are currently the butt of most jokes. We were never that under Moyes.
To be clear. I would HATE it if he came back. But for the most part, I enjoyed his tenure.
Lets roll the dice with Dunc til January. Then reassess.
221 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:29:55
I should say that I have met Iain Dowie. He is a good man. I would take him over Moyes any day if only for the fact that he has integrity.
Never, ever Moyes. I will not be responsible for my actions should he be appointed. Steve Ferns, may I engage you in advance. No jury in the land will convict me.
222 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:35:58
What part of winning nothing, being a serial loser to Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc and gloriously, a soon to be relegated Wigan whilst for the whole time of tenure talking Everton down and demoting them in the football hierarchy did you enjoy exactly?
He was one lucky and well paid man protected by his Chairman – a bang average coach with a negative mindset.
223 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:52:27
To change is to lose and to dither is seen, as being interested, but really can't be arsed.
That's the way I see our board. Surely Marcel Brands must have a say in the next manager recruitment project?
Whom is, or will be made the scapegoat for the failings as, so many of us stated, and hoped he'd succeed, but failed by light-years, will be made accountable for the failings of Marco Silva?
It seems and I hope that Farhad as the club owner won't become a dictator...
If anyone knows more please spill. I sense the clubs real future and integrity is at stake.
Reality check thus is, have we tried one of the great players and successful managers in Diego Simone?
If we can't get this type of manager with proven record, then are we by default on success criteria, by default only now allowed the best of the so-called UK best managers?
That's alarming and would require the next Clough or Kendall to be discovered.
Scary days, but looking forward to all views and ideas.
I hope that there's a stunt that will surprise us all, but I sense like the weather, we will not see the manager we all hoped for.
So in my view let Duncan achieve as best he can, but please not Moyes.
Final note: Let's beat Man Utd, at all costs.
224 Posted 11/12/2019 at 23:11:34
225 Posted 11/12/2019 at 23:15:07
In his first spell at Everton Moyes took an awful team of donkeys and journeymen who were in a perennial relegation battle and in just three years, finished 4th. Had we not been denied a goal by a very dubious refereeing decision by Collina (who was brought of our retirement for one game, in the one season five English clubs reached the Champions League) we may well have reached the Group Stages.
He brought in numerous bargains like Cahill, Arteta, Gravesen and Lescott and for a time we were regularly finishing in the top six with European qualification.
In 2008 we were unfortunate to be knocked out of the UEFA Cup by Fiorentina with the second, home, leg being one of the best performances by an Everton side since the 80s. Had we won that tie I truly believe wed have gone on to win the tournament, having already beaten the eventual winners, Zenit St Petersburg during the group stages.
We reached the FA Cup Final in 2009 where we led but eventually lost 2-1 to a fantastic Chelsea team. We finished 5th that season too.
All of the above and was achieved on a shoestring budget and only in Moyes second full season, 03/04, did we ever get involved in a relegation scrap although, despite finishing 17th, we were never really in a lot of danger. After 19 games we were in 11th place. After 30 games wed fallen to 14th but still six points clear of the drop zone. Even heading into the final few weeks of the season we maintained a six point gap to the teams below us.
The football under Moyes was industrial in the early years, which is understandable given the players he had at his disposal but it improved massively especially during his middle years. To say the style of play was turgid and defensive throughout his tenure is just wrong, although I admit there was a decline towards the end. Its worth pointing out that in his last two seasons in charge, Everton finished 7th then 6th despite the emergence of Spurs and Manchester City. In both seasons we at least finished above Liverpool.
At Manchester United Moyes win rate was 52.94% - slightly better than his successor, Louis Van Gaal despite only being allowed to make two signings in Fellaini and Mata. Van Gaal, in contrast, spent £200m with a net of £150m. Later, Mourinhos win percentage was only 3.5% better than Moyes. The United side he inherited, despite winning the league the season prior, were not the best Alex Ferguson ever put together and Im fairly certain Ferguson called it a day when he did precisely because he didnt fancy another rebuilding exercise. Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, Carrick, Giggs and Berbatov were all over 30 while players like Rafael, Anderson, Hernandez and Evans never quite fulfilled their early potential. The fact that most of Uniteds 2012/13 side left the club under Moyes and Van Gaal demonstrates that squad time at the top was ending.
Sociedad was where the wheels began to fall off, although he did take over in November with the team in 15th and ended the season in 12th. The following season, they were just above the relegation zone when he was sacked.
He took Sunderland down the following season but, as the passage of time has shown, they were a mess of a club and it could be argued that no-one could have kept them up. Moyes was criticised by Sunderland fans for suggesting at the beginning of that season that they might go down. Was this pessimism or realism?
Moyes took over at West Ham in November 2017 with the club in the relegation places. They eventually finished 13th, nine points clear. If I remember correctly, it was by no means certain that Moyes was going to leave the club at the end of the season. Ultimately the West Ham management decided not to renew his contract opting, instead, to go for Pellegrini. An understandable decision given his pedigree although even now we sit above them in the table, with them only clear of the relegation places by a single point.
I realise a lot of the bad feeling from Evertonians towards Moyes comes from some of the comments he made about us after leaving, as well as running down his contract so that we received no compensation when he went to United. I am not attempting to defend his conduct in any way, but if youre going to criticise his actual managerial record at least look at all of the facts first and not just the ones which suit your already-held opinion.
As I said, Im not in favour of us going back to Moyes but his record is not nearly as bad as some suggest and it likely wouldnt be the total disaster some predict. He knows the club, many of the staff and the league. I dont have a lot of confidence in his ability to take us close to the top 7 over the next couple of years but hes probably less of a risk than the so called glamour-managers (e.g. Ancelotti, Marcelino, Emery) in terms of moving us away from the relegation places in the here and now. Have any of those three ever had to scrap for points during a harsh British winter? Could they adapt to life in Northern England?
226 Posted 11/12/2019 at 23:44:54
Literally every time that I can remember this club goes back to its ex-players, it's never as good as the first time around: Pienaar, Gravesen, Rooney, Jeffers, Manny Fernandes etc.
227 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:03:28
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228 Posted 12/12/2019 at 00:25:45
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230 Posted 12/12/2019 at 02:26:17
231 Posted 12/12/2019 at 03:35:05
It is incredulous to me his name can be linked to Everton on the verge of 2020.
His possible appointment for me would be the final nail in the coffin. As a club as a business as a great British footballing institution it finally kills off all hope for me personally. This is not the Everton Football Club and its fine traditions my father bled into my soul. What in fucks name is going on!!!!?
We have lurched from one embarrassment to another under successive hopeless boardrooms. When Moshiri arrived the long and laborious wait seemed to be over. Our day was coming, the excitement was palpable. What a complete shambles has followed.
From daring to dream, we now have the grim spectre of a possible return of Dour Davey. Honestly this feels like its coming now. Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and David Moyes is a nightmare that is becoming a reality. Nobody deserves this.. Nobody.
232 Posted 12/12/2019 at 04:23:58
233 Posted 12/12/2019 at 06:30:22
Not waste my time fighting relegation with Everton.
234 Posted 12/12/2019 at 06:50:50
Will still be happy to buy the drinks, especially if we win 5-1 again like last boxing day. What a game that was to see live.
235 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:02:24
236 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:20:22
237 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:21:53
238 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:48:50
239 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:51:39
240 Posted 12/12/2019 at 09:05:45
I won't name names but you just have to shake your head and laugh at some of the rubbish certain Everton fans come out with when it suits. Apparently we had an entire 11 years of defensive football with not one decent performance to shout about – except we didn't if you actually want to go back through those years and see for yourself.
Or some say he betrayed us – except he gave 11 (yes that's 11) years of loyal service and hard work to fans who obviously didn't deserve it because some of them are so ungrateful. I see some think that, because he won nothing, he should be deemed an abject failure and not considered up there with the best we have had. I expect, if you take that approach, you rule out most managers in the land and also take a very unrealistic view of what makes a good manager for a club in our state.
Consistent top-half finishes on a shoestring, buying in some of the finest players I have seen for many years, giving us back our respect in the game, getting into Europe regularly and finishing in the Champions League spots to me do show he is a decent manager. You name me others apart from Kendall, Royle and Catterick who can present a much better record than that?
I think it boils down to people not being able to read properly – I said he was up there with the best, not THE best. to put him on a par with Walker or Silva shows a real ignorance of the game.
The suggestion that Everton have somehow moved on and flourished free from the shackles of Moyes is laughable too. The only place we have gone is down since he left – how can employing the man who we actually did better under for years be a backward step? The only time we have been a circus and laughing stock in recent years is after Moyes left because he wasn't here to keep things on an even keel. I find it insulting that people have so little grasp of reality that they cannot see that.
And please do not try to manipulate his record since he left us to fit these ridiculous arguments against him. Let's have it right – Man Utd was a poisoned chalice where he actually did okay in hindsight, Sociedad he actually took up the league in the full season before he was sacked, Sunderland was an impossible task for anyone and West Ham was a success as he did what was required of him.
To claim he is a serial loser and built up a reputation on sheer luck is just totally false. We know how ruthless football is – if he were that bad, he would not have lasted 11 years. Look how quickly we got rid of really poor managers like Silva or Koeman.
I also don't get this 'Oh if xxxxxx is made manager I'm throwing my toys out of the pram like a 2-year-old and giving up'. To be honest, if you are that fickle and childish then you shouldn't be supporting Everton anyway.
We support the club, not individual managers or players. I didn't want Silva here but I never once thought about spitting my dummy out and stopping supporting Everton when he was made coach. People need to grow up a bit.
241 Posted 12/12/2019 at 09:46:25
One thing I do recall clearly about Moyes. I always listen to the comments of neutrals, and during Moyes' time the comments tended to be that we were difficult to beat, and that Moyes was a very good manager given the resources he had.
I remember mentioning this to a red about 10 years ago, and he replied that Moyes was shite. I said, how do you make that out? He said, he's won nothing. I've subsequently had the repeated pleasure of reminding him that Liverpool have won little given the massive amount of money they've spent.
It's all a matter of perspective.
242 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:04:00
I believe the former candidate is only 'talking' to Moshiri to arouse the interest of Arsenal --our man is being played. I predict Moyes will get the nod and Everton will fade into insignificance.
If Dunc beats Manu on Sunday, the noise it will create will see him in the Job until season's end.
243 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:36:25
I know which one of these two I want as our next manager and unfortunately, I think I also know which one we'll get.
244 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:41:20
Unlucky with injuries when he finally got to a cup final, but thats the problem Stan, because most of these neutral observers, are the same people who dont view Everton, in the same way they were viewed at the start of the EPL, so its definitely all a matter of perspective, and the disdain Moyes, showed for Everton, when they didnt want Baines or Fellaini to leave, is the reason why I hold David Moyes the man, in the lowest possible esteem.
Everyone looks after themselves in this life, (except the beautiful 1%) but to then look down on your former employees and fan base, once he thought he cracked it, showed me exactly what a phoney bastard David Moyes really was, but again, not everyone will have the same perspective of course.
245 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:44:12
Its because he is a shit manager now.
His record since leaving Man U is absymal. Ask yourselves this: do you want Mark Hughes? Do you want Alan Pardew? Do you want Tony Pullis? No? Well Moyes is in the same bracket as them. If he hadnt managed us in the past then there is no way he would be a contender to manage us now with his recent record. He shouldnt even be on the longlist let alone the shortlist.
246 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:03:24
247 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:29:38
PS. I still don't want Moyes back !
248 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:52:08
If this is true then two things, Brands seems to be holding out against the two people who really shouldnt be getting this involved, and who does Brands want?
Duncan has bought him some time and hopefully will buy him a bit more on Sunday.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out now, and how Brands plays it. Hopefully he will impose his will, however subtly he chooses to do it.
249 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:52:25
“I know that if I'd been Everton manager and Sir Alex had come asking for Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini, I'd have found it very difficult to keep them because I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players,"
250 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:57:10
Don't want Ancelotti - great manager but poor fit for what we need.
Don't think the Duncan Ferguson schtick is going to cut it longer term.
Would worry about taking a manager straight from South America into a relegation struggle.
Don't think we will get anyone good mid-season.
I think Benitez ticks all of the boxes but don't know his contractual position as Chinese season ends.
By inexorable logic that suggests the best interim we can get to see out the season. Moyes as an interim might be the best of a bad lot.
251 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:57:23
I can - and have - acknowledged all the good things David Moyes did on his 11-year watch at Everton.
But that's not the complete tale, is it? You yourself acknowledge that in your own post.
The mistake that the likes of Paul Cherrington @ 176, Kevin Molloy @ 185 make in scoffing at Evertonians for not wanting Moyes' return is that they don't take the same balanced view as you - and others - take.
Furthermore, they attempt to frame the question in terms of 'we're in a relegation battle. Moyes is our only possible saviour'. They are looking down and finishing 17th as the height of their ambitions, rather than looking up, with more than half a season to play in a compacted league, to the possibility of landing a European place for next season.
Not surprising, then, that they are acolytes of David Moyes. Because that epitomises the very cosy relationship that existed between our former manager and (still!) chairman, Bill Kenwright: a careful management and dumbing down of expectations, portraying impoverished Everton as plucky featherweights punching above their weight.
When David Moyes first arrived at Everton, he still had fire in his eyes and his belly. He hit exactly the right note in his very first presser, speaking of 'the People's Club'. He was out on the pitch before KO leading the warm-up with sharp drills. He was animated and fiery on the touchline. He spoke of 'winning'.
In time, that dissipated. It became increasingly about playing the odds, eking out results to ensure mid to upper table finishes. Managing expectations.
He left for United still, I would argue, with gratitude from a good bulk of Evertonians. But immediately - and I mean IMMEDIATELY - his public pronouncements and dealings with his former club antagonised and alienated many a Blue. Including myself.
On that alone, if we have any self-dignity left at our club at all, he should never - but NEVER! - be allowed to return to Everton in any salaried position at all.
That he is being mooted to return as our first team manager, 17 years after he first joined us, 6 years since he left us, is a very very bad joke on us all.
The likes of Paul and Kevin calling for his return reveals to me an extremely limited scope of thinking that they cannot think or see beyond David Moyes as we fast approach the year 2020. 2020 vision they ain't got.
To repeat an earlier post of mine in this thread, David Moyes joined Everton 17 years ago in 2002. He left 6 years ago in 2013.
Would any of the following clubs advocate reverting to any of the following managers who were in charge of them in either 2002 or 2013?
Man City - Kevin Keegan/Brian Kidd
Leicester - Dave Basset/Nigel Pearson
Wolves - David Jones/Dean Saunders
Spurs - David Pleat/Tim Sherwood
Palace - Ian Dowie/Tony Pullis
I think it would be a resounding 'NO!' So why should Everton and Evertonians think the contrary for us?
The single game under Duncan Ferguson v Chelsea last Saturday should have immediately made any continuing calls for David Moyes return permanently redundant.
That his Grim Reaper spectre is still being mentioned as a possibility is extremely disturbing on many levels, not least the role, judgement and influence of Marcel Brands.
There is a whole heap more at stake here than the viability or otherwise of David Moyes possible return as Everton manager.
252 Posted 12/12/2019 at 12:35:16
253 Posted 12/12/2019 at 12:41:02
Club going nowhere.
To the poster who gave Kieffer Moore a shout, it would indeed be a smart move, the lad is a fucking warrior for his country!
NO TO THE GINGER SNAKE.
254 Posted 12/12/2019 at 13:13:41
taking off the blue specs, I think we should have let Leighton go. I think he will always wonder what might have been if we had, and at the time there is no question United were a step up from us. I think there was a part of Leighton that never forgave Martinez for blocking that move
255 Posted 12/12/2019 at 13:35:20
But if the terms of Ancelotti's departure means he has effectively been placed on gardening leave, and thus remaining on Napoli's payroll, the prospect of a costly compensation package makes a move for the 60-year-old far more complex.
Given that Everton are possibly not in a position to spend even more money on paying out compensation to another club for yet another manager, the arrival of David Moyes may become even more likely than it did previously. if that's the case I would be trying to persuade Duncan Ferguson to at least become interim manager until the end of this season. There appears no other choice it's either the inexperienced Duncan or the less wanted but available Moyes. The arrival of Moyes will not be welcomed by a large proportion of the fan-base, at least Ferguson would be given the benefit of the doubt when or if results go against the team.
There are so few suitable candidates available, it's hard to see how the club might improve on the man currently occupying the dug-out. However, if Duncan truly doesn't want the job - It's looking like the return of Dour Davey!
256 Posted 12/12/2019 at 14:06:14
His appointment as an unknown from Preston tacitly acknowledged we needed to stop kidding ourselves and get back to basics. Unburdening the expectation of living up to Dixie, the holy trinity, Southall, Gray and Reid etc they comfortably dredged out points to ensure survival.
Add in the bonus ball of Rooney and his inheritance wasn't entirely the dross of myth.
In retrospect all he did was lower our sights for over a decade, here is his first pick for his debut game against Fulham
Goalkeeper: Steve Simonsen
Defender: Alessandro Pistone
Defender: David Weir
Defender: Alan Stubbs
Defender: David Unsworth
Defender: Tony Hibbert
Midfielder: Lee Carsley
Midfielder: Scot Gemmill
Midfielder: Thomas Gravesen
Striker: Tomasz Radzinski
Striker: Duncan Ferguson
257 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:19:32
258 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:39:15
I am annoyed the club failed to build on what Moyes left and if anything has gone backwards since he departed. I am annoyed at the way Moyes left, promising a new contract while talking to Man U. Most fans, me included, are thankful for what he did and the stability he brought to the club especially his defensive ability. But that is where is ends. Him coming back wont be welcomed and will be seen by those inside and outside the club as a step backwards.
Old managers going back never work out. Not one manager has gone back back to a club and improved on their previous stint at the their club. That alone should be a warning for us not to go back.
I dont think Dunc is the solution but he wont let us go down. I would save your money Everton and keep your powder dry leave Dunc in charge for a while and sort out a decent replacement.
259 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:45:59
260 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:56:47
261 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:16:21
262 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:38:56
263 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:00:02
That B-rate actor has been conning his way to a fortune while WE take the daily ridicule from our neighbours, and if (and I sincerely hope he doesn't) Moyes comes back here, I am finished with the club I have loved for over 50 years.
There is only one man to blame for our humiliation, and if he was running any other club, he would have been kicked out by the fans years ago. While Liverpool win European trophies, we salivate at the 'honour' of an American actor walking onto our sacred turf: they challenge for the league title while we invest in a school; they employ Benitez and Klopp, and we appoint Allardyce and consider Moyes; they build a massive stand while we have to swallow the ground move spin for 30 years.
I'm getting to the end of my tether with Everton, and if that phoney relegation artist returns, that's it for me – Nil Satis Nisi Optimum... my arse.
264 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:16:21
265 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:55:21
266 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:59:17
You ever met Tony Marsh?
267 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:03:44
268 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:22:52
Article posted on ESPNFC from Mark Ogden entitled Everton need a reality check: Moyes is the best they can get
"Two weeks ago, as Marco Silva's reign as Everton manager lurched towards its inevitable ending, graffiti was daubed on the walls of Goodison Park. Sprayed in white on the blue-painted brickwork, it read: 'No Hughes, Moyes, Howe - SILVA OUT - F---Moyes.' The views of one disgruntled supporter don't reflect the position of every Evertonian, but if radio phone-ins and message boards are a true gauge of the supporters' feelings, whoever used that spray can at Goodison certainly understood the sentiment running through the Everton fanbase right now."
The views of one disgruntled supporter don't reflect the position of every Evertonian, but if radio phone-ins and message boards are a true gauge of the supporters' feelings, whoever used that spray can at Goodison certainly understood the sentiment running through the Everton fanbase right now."
"Moshiri and the fans may believe that Everton can attract an elite coach... but the painful reality is that they are currently only an appealing option to the likes of Moyes or Hughes -- out of work, old-school managers who will take on a difficult job simply to get themselves back in the game."
"Sources have told ESPN that Moyes is keen to return to Everton and that he has some support within the Goodison hierarchy. However, Moshiri and the club's director of football, Marcel Brands, have yet to be convinced by the prospect of turning to him, even on a short-term basis."
269 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:32:52
No need for hate, just rational logic.
And as for the ESPN guy .
270 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:32:54
271 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:37:07
Next time Im at Goodison, can someone show me the room with all the trophies weve won since he left. Im excited. Will I have to walk through Stand 9 and three quarters.
Again. To be clear. I dont want him back.
Now on to Sunday. Lets get into them early.
272 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:44:44
Looks like a journo trying to fulfill his contractual obligations to the paper. (thousand words, kerching, relevant content minimum)
273 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:51:12
I read the whole article. I found it pretty trite and shallow, TBH. A column filler.
Not wholly related to the subject of who is to be our next manager, but not totally unrelated either, I found this article interesting:
Some (thankfully very few) posters have suggested Everton could benefit from relegation as a means to rebuild and refocus away from the spotlight of PL.
The basic rationale is fundamentally flawed for me, but the article also highlights the dangerous game many Championship clubs are playing with their finances in the scrabble in an exceedingly competitive league to gain PL status.
To actually desire relegation from the PL and see it as a positive as some paint it is just perverse to me.
274 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:57:32
Hope before you go you give your season ticket to a youngster on the waiting list.
I don't want Moyes but I'm getting fed up with the dramatic resignations on here.
275 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:00:55
276 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:03:49
277 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:08:04
I do take a bit of comfort from his take that Moshiri and Brands aren't persuaded -- it's always been my view that because they lacked any previous connection to Moyes, they would have no reason to want him. Still believe that's true.
278 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:12:32
279 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:15:13
280 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:15:52
You must look like the kidnapping type, Paul. You need to find a new hobby mate. Youre upsetting people.
281 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:16:39
282 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:19:30
Actually I'm just doing a regular job and Burnley FC happens to be the venue. I'm too nice to be that sinister, honestly!
283 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:38:20
Would our manager have to be someone you felt a connection with and could "love", a la Howard Kendall and Joe Royle, or would it be enough that he had us playing good football and competing at or towards the top?
Just something I was pondering with all this shite going on. I was wondering if I could get to the point of singing Ancelotti's name, or anyone else's in the frame to be honest.
284 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:42:21
285 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:49:55
I think Duncan can do a good job for us, but it now seems he does not want to be our manager for long. Why, maybe he's seen first hand how our recent managers have struggled with the players available to them and come to the conclusion that the job is a poison chalice and he couldn't do a better job.
Of course, he might simply not want all the pressure that goes with the position.
286 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:05:56
1. Sound tactically with the ability to change tactics depending on circumstances.
2. Ability to motivate ALL players.
3. Develops youth.
4. Passion and commitment for EFC
5. Understand and empathizes with the fans.
6. Develops players.
7. Good communicator.
8. Fluent in English
9. Aligns tactics based on playing resources.
10. Integrates new players into preferred systems.
11. Promotes leadership on the field.
12. Develops and promotes shared ambition.
13. Young, hungry & determined.
14. Ruthless but fair-minded.
15. Understands our history and becomes part of it.
16. Demonstrates continual improvement in all football aspects
287 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:40:18
288 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:48:31
289 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:56:12
290 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:58:45
Moyes for me is a manger that was never a great thinker. He is guy who who maybe can get a team to play hard. His last four jobs have shown he is in over his head. Three of them absolute train wrecks.
291 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:07:12
He worked with a couple of Americans and Dave Billows (I think) to transform Everton fitness-wise. We had superior fitness, but often started seasons slow due to the heavy pre-season, and finished seasons strong as our fitness (and usually lack of Europe) told. We won many games where the opposition faded as they could not keep up with us. "War of attrition" some on here called it.
The thing is, everyone else caught up. Moyes is no longer ahead of the game on something, he's behind the rest. He's showing no signs of being what he used to be when he was younger, he's a poorer version of himself.
292 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:28:18
Four hundred million pounds later, we've got a backline of still Coleman (just) Keane Holgate and Digne with the clown at the back. And people turn up their nose at Moyes. Unbelievable.
293 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:29:24
Our last away win came at Newcastle on the 3/4th of January, and we had that diabolical defeat at home to Wigan in the cup, but at least we beat City, the following week, which is possibly when Moysey knew he was going to pastures new, with a ringing endorsement from the man he now calls “Sir Alex”.
Moyes and ahead of the game is a new one on me though Steve, or it was until we beat Manchester City that day.
294 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:46:51
Remember Jagielka on day 1 of pre-season training for Martinez? He was amazed Martinez had a football, "we don't normally see one of them for at least a week" or words to that effect.
295 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:53:20
296 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:26:38
'Unbelievable' you say, 'all this slagging off Moyes?'
Many a poster has fully acknowledged the 'good' that Moyes did in his 11 years at Everton, but reasonably, rationally, balanced that against the poor, the manner of his leaving and the six intervening years since he was last Everton manager.
You, by contrast, have yet to put up any coherent reasons Moyes should return. Or rather, you have. On the morning of the Chelsea game, you made the following 'unbelievable' claims:
1) "We are in big big trouble. I know most people on here would prefer relegation..."
2) "if Moshiri doesn't in the next seven days appoint Moyes and leave all the transfers to him, we are going down."
You falsely projected YOUR negativity as the majority view, or YOUR regressive thinking as the only path to salvation.
Thankfully, the current TW poll is reflecting similar polls on other sites. Your view is very much the minority one, heavily outnumbered 4 to 1, 'unbelievable' as that may appear to you.
297 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:30:04
298 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:47:00
299 Posted 12/12/2019 at 23:18:24
300 Posted 13/12/2019 at 14:21:30
Like Moyes, Allardyce was able to get the players playing hard. There must be a dozen other coaches that can motivate players. To me that is the minimum qualification of being a premier league coach. Everything else a manager must do to be successful does not seem to be in Moyes locker. Reference the train wreck of a career hes had since hes left.
301 Posted 13/12/2019 at 14:23:41
302 Posted 13/12/2019 at 16:25:10
The fans ? The players ?
First time round he was on the up and captured the imagination of the fans and players. This time it's all different, he walked out on the club, has failed everywhere since to varying degrees.
Its no surprise more than 80% of us don't want him back and see it as a regressive move.
What would Moyes have done differently to Duncan last Saturday? Probably 4-5-1 with half the motivation resulting in a narrow defeat.
303 Posted 13/12/2019 at 21:51:59
304 Posted 14/12/2019 at 04:11:49
I can understand some of the top names not wanting to come, as most of them are on a high salary with established clubs, and the other options don't want the challenge of having to rebuild a struggling side.But to want to bring backa failed manager just because he had us in good positions in the league and cup, without winning anything just smacks of desperation and definitely ambition.
I now live in Canada but get back quite often, usually in September / October,but if they make Moyes manager I will be saving a lot of money by not going back to Liverpool.
305 Posted 14/12/2019 at 15:47:49
306 Posted 17/12/2019 at 01:18:06
"So folks, every now and again, email the following to your Sport Editor
"David Moyes eyes Goodison return..."
**classroom falls around laughing**
"Surely no-one is buying that shite, Prof"
"Keep it handy, you'll never be out of work slinging that crap on the back page !".
**classroom falls around laughing**
"Is this so easy Prof ? "
"TBH lads n lasses, they fuckin lap that one up, EVERY TIME!.
It has to be the BEST "go to" line we've ever made up.
If you can't get that in print then you're never passing module one...".
**classroom falls around laughing**
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