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The Times: Moyes 'on the brink' of Everton return

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Everton look set offer former manager David Moyes a deal to take charge of the club, perhaps only in an interim capacity if a report in The Times is correct.

Paul Joyce claims that the club was close last night to agreeing terms with the 57-year-old Scot who spent 11 years at Goodison Park before leaving for a failed spell at Manchester United.

Moyes followed that with unsuccessful spells at Real Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham and has been out of work since being ditched by the Hammers 18 months ago in favour of Manuel Pellegrini.

Everton sacked manager Marco Silva last week and placed Duncan Ferguson in temporary charge of Saturday's pulsating victory over Chelsea but according to The Times they are ready to turn back to Moyes after failing to land Vitor Pereira from SIPG Shanghai.

Joyce writes that "it was not clear last night whether Moyes ... will be appointed initially on an interim basis with the possibility of the role becoming permanent if he makes a successful start, or whether he would be given the job on a longer-term contract."

Original Source: The Times  


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Derek Knox
1 Posted 11/12/2019 at 02:35:47
I sincerely hope this is Total BS, we would be better sticking with Duncan rather than having the Ginger one back.

More frighteningly if there is any truth in it this, it means that Not So Tiny Tears is still having too much influence in the Board and the Selection process.

Can't imagine Brands condoning this anyway.

Ron Marr
2 Posted 11/12/2019 at 02:40:56
This is terrible news if true.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

3 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:02:13
Well, that's uplifting news to read before turning in for the night. A good night's sleep guaranteed.

Let's hope this nightmare scenario is the most fanciful of rumours to date by the time I awake tomorrow.

If not, it's my prediction that this will hugely split the fan base.

Jamie Crowley
4 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:14:18
If we actually sign David Fucking Moyes to replace Duncan Ferguson?

We deserve to go down.

It would be the most idiotic, stupid, brainless, insert synonym here, act I've ever seen a professional franchise commit.

And I'm getting old, and we have a shit-ton of sports over here, so I've seen a damn few stupid things in my time!

Can't be. We're not THAT dysfunctional!

Bill Gienapp
5 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:36:21
If true, it defies every shred of logic imaginable. I can't even fathom it. You could literally hire ANY OTHER MANAGER ON THE PLANET.
Derek Thomas
6 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:49:36
What the absolute fuck! If I didn't already live on the other side of the world I'd move there.

If this is Brands Idea, he should quit.

If it isn't Brands Idea, he should quit.

Is there no limit to the ways these two clowns, tweedledum and tweedledumber, will find to make us an even bigger laughing stock than were already are.

Pereira and rs Rafa have ruled themselves out...hurrah.

If our one hope is that West Ham's Board are bigger (and faster on the draw with a contract) fools than our muppets, then I despair.

Phil Malone Jnr
7 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:50:45
Best candidate. You lads don’t have a clue. Moyes has us playing the best footy in the premier league era. Good old toffee web. You all don’t have a bloody clue. Best man for the job.
Derek Thomas
8 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:56:20
Phil@ 7; fairplay, that's your opinion. But has Moyes's record since he left along with Kendall Mk II & III, taught you nothing?
Jamie Crowley
9 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:06:53
Phil Malone Jnr -

In the absence of Richard Dodd I welcome your comments.

Jay Harris
10 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:13:06
Ancelottti or Moyes lets think for a minute. One has won 17 titles including Champions league 3 times with different teams and has won the Premier league. The other one has won nothing and his only distinguishing feature is he knows how to lick Bills arse.

I think its abut time for a ToffeeWeb poll Mike/ Lyndon. Lets send the democratic vote to a board that is divided and think its FIFA management game time.

Bill Gienapp
11 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:14:40
Phil (7) - "Best man for the job." On the basis of what, Thanos snapping his fingers and literally every other football manager on the planet turning to dust?
Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:22:26
De ja vu? Sack manager (Koeman/Silva) propose short term deal to Luddite (Sam/Moyes) backtrack when fans revolt. Flirt with Portuguese ex Olympiakos coach employed elsewhere (Silva/Pereira) panic, hire unpopular manager anyway on longer term deal. It’s literally the exact sorry sequence of events as last time.
Ron Marr
13 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:25:25
I’d like to see Souness repeat as the RS manager, only problem is the RS ownership group have ambition, unlike teary Bill and crew.
Feels like Deja vu all over again. Two years ago Moshiri shit his pants and brought in Allardyce, he appears to have soiled his shorts again and wants to bring in Moyes on a short term contract.
Bill Gienapp
14 Posted 11/12/2019 at 04:45:10
Kieran (12) - right down to the part in which we're coming off an emphatic home win that showed there was no damn reason to be panicking in the first place.
Tony Hill
15 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:03:32
Oh dear. Surely not.
Chris Mason
16 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:09:26
We could try to hire any other manager on the planet. Except, they’ve all ruled themselves out.

Which leaves Moyes, that bloke with the call centre headset and Barry ‘Baz’ Rathbone ready to renew their treadmill 5k time trial challenge.

Sorry. I just transported back to 2006. Like Everton, innit?

Paul Birmingham
17 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:18:39
I sincerely hope Ginger Gollum, is not coming back to EFC. His time in top class football has gone.

Paul Joyce is an RS, supporter, Id like to see the facts behind this claim.

I prays it BS.

John Pierce
18 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:21:54
I’d be devastated, then apoplectic then dead sad.
Derek Thomas
19 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:23:58
Chris @ 16; Especially when Ferguson most emphatically ruled himself IN...if only as a termporary measure until we can find somebody who isn't Moyes.
Liam Reilly
20 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:30:29
The club will be a Laughing stock if this is true.

So what's he going to do when United come calling for a cut price Richarlison or Digne; because he would NEVER stand in their way right!

https://news.sky.com/story/Moyes-everton-duo-should-join-united-10436392

. "But I also know if I had been Everton manager and Sir Alex (Ferguson) had come asking for Baines and Fellaini I'd have found it very difficult to keep them.

He does not deserve this football club nor the respect of the supporters of this football club, with derisory comments like that.

David Nicholls
21 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:50:37
If we cannot get Ancellotti then I’d be happy to see Moyes back. I don’t buy this treachery nonsense. He did a great job with comparatively little funds.
If he can learn from his mistakes, i.e being too cautious away against the top sides then he will take us forward. No point in a short term deal. Moyes is about building something long-term. I know his record since leaving is poor, but he has joined some pretty dysfunctional clubs.
Paul Smith
22 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:50:50
Paul Joyce is ususlly spot on. This is very concerning - I can't forgive Moyes for his treatment of us when he left and how out of touch and fuckin arrogant is Moshiri foisting him on the fans.

Jay from Brazil is concerned - says it all for me.

Kevin Molloy
23 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:58:18
this is great news for those of us who don't want to get relegated in a few months time. We are after all two points above the drop zone, and who the hell else is there you'd have confidence would come in and steady this listing ship? Duncan did a great job at the weekend, but that formula has a shelf life of about two weeks, then the players get mighty pissed off at having to play like that.
Moyes of course does have his down sides, but hes still a damn good manager. Keeping the basket case that is West Ham up last year whilst spending no money was an excellent job. I also think he's tailor made for us at the moment, insofar as we have some young kids he will like (dcl, Tom and Mason) and he will be excellent in the transfer market. if there is one thing this club needs right now, it is to not waste any more money. What price now for a Joleon Lescott? there's nobody better qualified to undertake that sort of job
Chris Mason
24 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:59:35
Also. Note how the ‘glamour’ options have all been touted as our next first choice. Only for each to mysteriously fall away.

And we’re left with Moyes.

Wonderful stage management I have to admit, but Kenwright has been treating all as audience dummies for the duration. He is the cause of the factions at Everton - there’s a rumour that I reckon can be readily substantiated.

Steve Shave
25 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:04:07
Personally I respect the job Moyes did for us, I think he had us performing above our level of ability very consistently. However, his managerial performances since have been woeful. This would be an awful appointment on that basis alone, let alone the manner in which he left. Let's not panic and have a brain fart by doing something regrettable, Dunc's got it covered while we search for the RIGHT man.
Colin Glassar
26 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:07:31
If true, I Hope Moshiri and Brands leave the club. Billy can fulfill his dream of complete control and a few bob in his bank account.
Chris Mason
27 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:09:34
Moyes early success with us was apparently because he transplanted his passing game from Preston. That was apparently the sign of his up and coming status. Those days are long gone and the game has moved on considerably.

Do we think Moyes will play to our tactical strengths, or his? Does he even know what they are? Do we have any? Chances are strong we’ll be back to playing hoof ball upfront to a midfielder converted to a striker.

Denis Richardson
28 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:22:30
OMG

What terrible news to wake up to.

This would be a truly awful appointment and would show that BK somehow still runs the show. Bonkers.

Can’t see Brands staying much longer as this would certainly not be his appointment.

Colin Grierson
29 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:22:32
If Moyes arrives my interest in Everton will go until he is gone. I dare say I won't be alone either.
Just because all the pundits and media keep saying he's the man for the job doesn't make it true.
I won't forget how he conducted himself when courted by the Mancs and how he came after Fellaini et al when he finally went.
He won't do anything that Duncan can't do.
Dan Nulty
30 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:23:14
Noooooooooooooo
Ken Kneale
31 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:27:34
I will reserve comment in the hope this is not going to happen.
Geoff Trenner
32 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:32:47
Colin @29. I get your sentiment, but I have said many, many times that I am ‘done’ with Everton.
The fact is that Everton is in our blood and in our soul. They could appoint Corbyn and I’d still follow every game intently and get to Goodison as often as other commitments allow.
Ajay Gopal
33 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:40:16
I would seriously rather bring Silva back than have this dinosaur managing Everton. We are NOT going down with Dunc in charge for a few weeks until we find a manager fit to manage us. After last week’s euphoria, appointing Moyes would feel like someone or something very dear to your heart just died.
Tony Hill
34 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:41:17
Kevin @23 makes the best case for Moyes. But "never go back" is one of the strongest maxims in sport (and life for that matter). It applies here.
Neil Wood
35 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:45:19
Right So I hear loads of people on here and elsewhere refuting any suggestion we should appoint Benitez because of his RS links and that ''comment'' about us being a small club. (Something that if our manager said about them lot we would lap it up).

Yet some are happy to re-appoint a manager who literally shit on us and left for the Utd job before trying to take two of our best players for peanuts making the comments he did towards a side he managed for 11 years and had a ''connection with''.

Now forgive me but how backwards is that. I don't know if Benitez is the answer to our problems but I am damn sure that ruling him out based on one comment is bordering on lunacy. Appointing Moyes after what he did is also bordering on Lunacy.

I am still in the Gallardo camp but just wanted a small rant.

John P McFarlane
36 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:46:20
Colin 29 According to the Echo, Duncan doesn't want the job full-time, so I suppose the people in charge think they'd get the next best thing, unless someone at the club said "What are we going to do about this season ticket waiting list - it has to be reduced?"

Option A - Build new ground with increased capacity but that will take at least 3 years.
Option B - Appoint David Moyes.

Mark Andersson
37 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:46:23
This has always been on the cards, the people who run our football club are clueless. So let the ginger one back, because as soon as it goes tit's up which it will he will finally be chased out of town along with Fat Teary Bill.

God give me strength, to remain a fan of this hopeless club.

Peter Roberts
38 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:48:13
Anyone who has read Andy Grays autobiography will know yheres a bit in there where he applied for the Everton job after Joe Royle left, so far as having an interview with Agent Johnson. The board at the time wanted him bar one dissenting voice (a minority shareholder at the time) who wanted Kendall to come back again.

Have a guess who that minority shareholder was?

While Moyes should be commended for his time at Everton in putting us back at the right end of the table while spending comparatively little, his record since then speaks for itself. He is not the long term solution and the efforts on Saturday should have bought the board more time to sound out a more progressive coach, or someone who can instil a winning mentality into the players.

Bob Parrington
39 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:51:25
I hope some of the decision makers are reading this thread and some other threads on TW so that they understand that 99% of us DO NOT WANT MOYES BACK!!

Get the freakin' message!

Alan McCulloch
40 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:51:38
Interestingly. In the two seasons that Ancelotti managed Chelsea this was his record against Moyes Everton.

Premiership
Lost 2
Drew 2

FA Cup
Lost 1

In total Lost 3, drew 1.

Denver Daniels
41 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:58:30
Oh boy, what did we ever do to deserve this.
Andy Riley
42 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:08:25
Not overjoyed if this is true but maybe a cunning plan if Duncan and Tim Cahill were to be part of his team and some sort of succession plan envisaged.
Derek Knox
43 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:15:51
Bob @ 39, good point there mate, and one I have often thought about myself. I doubt whether anyone that is at Board Level would read TW, which is a pity in many ways,.

I believe that they would benefit by getting a genuine grass roots barometer of how the majority of fans felt. Okay they would have to read a good cross section to be able to do that, let's face it we do see some crazy suggestions on here, but if not a regular poster, you never know if it's a true feeling or a wind up merchant, or indeed an infiltrators.

Oh yes I believe a lot of journal's trawl/troll these and other Club's similar fan website to get a story or gossip gather. You must admit Bob, when I referred to regular posters, that every now and then there is a 'contribution from someone who is unfamiliar and proposes or throws fuel on a smouldering fire and then stands well clear.

Like I have said on several occasions, until proven otherwise, Brands is the only one I would trust on any Football related issues, I just hope he is allowed to do his job without any hindrance.

Derek Knox
44 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:18:04
Predictive bloody text Journalists came out as journal's even after correction, so apologies.
Steve Shave
45 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:24:50
Gallardo please, he can bring Palacious with him 🙏
Steve Shave
46 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:26:46
I believe friday is the last day of Gallardo's contract at River Plate, if so we wont hear anything about that this week. We have time, I want to see what the big man does with the next two games.
Bob Parrington
47 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:30:49
Derek @ 43 Agreed. We have some clever professional TWebbers, some on boards, some solicitors, most just dedicated Everton fans from a whole spectrum of jobs and backgrounds. I'm sure many of us would want to know that at least one manager or board member has some interest to know what the fan-base actually thinks. It is an incredibly powerful resource.

In regard to the Times report (Conjecture?) my main gripe is "Why would we want Moyes when we already have Ferguson?" Moyes has ditched Everton and Ferguson has embraced Everton! OK, if Duncan doesn't think he's ready, look further afar for the next few years but don't step back - it seldom works!

Neil Carter
48 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:45:22
If the ginger has-been returns in any capacity, game over! We deserve everything we get from then on. Hope this is another BS story from the fake-news media.
Daniel A Johnson
49 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:48:34
11 years in charge...

How many wins away at Arsenal?
How many wins away at Man Utd?
How many wins at Anfield?
How many trophies?

If this happens we are the biggest laughing stock in premiership football. I would have rather have given Silva more time than employ a declining dinosaur.

A dinosaur who bled us dry whilst peddling his self serving glass ceiling hard done by knife to a gun fight mantra.

Football has moved on and the dinosaur has been left behind. Our status as a club is telling if all we can do is employ David fucking Moyes.

The only person pushing for this will be Blue Bill and his puppet Prof DDB. I will personally have to consider my standing with this club if he comes back.

What a joke,

Andrew Hight
50 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:51:08
If true, Everton’s ability to continually take one step forward and 5 backwards is a remarkable feat. Hopefully for once Joyce is off the mark with this one
Dave Evans
51 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:52:45
A big assumption on this and the Pereira thread is that Duncan wants the job, even for a few games.
Perhaps he knows that after a couple of defeats those lauding him will be calling him useless. Or worse.
Like they were when he was centre forward coach?
Kunal Desai
52 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:59:32
The expectation in 2016 was a new revolution was about to begin at this club under the leadership of Farhad Moshiri, don't think anyone of us would have envisaged Sam Allardyce and possibly David Moyes (rumoured) to be managing us in this revolution four years on in his reign as majority shareholder. Wow what a revolution. This is the space we have been waiting for when BK blabbered those words 10 years back
Peter Neilson
53 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:04:10
If true completely uninspiring. Will the players feel any different?
Ray Smith
54 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:11:02
Neil 35

Well said re Benitez.

He ticks all the boxes for me.

If we have to wait for him so be it.

Are we going to qualify for Europe this year? Extremely unlikely.

Moyes doesn’t want an interim contract, and I don’t blame him, so he’s out (thankfully).

Give DF a couple more games and use the time to make a balanced appointment.

Andrew Clare
55 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:13:04
We will be relegated if Mr Mediocrity gets the job. Moshiri and Kenwright haven’t got a clue about football.
How disappointing. We are going nowhere if this happens.
I have always believed that we could get back to where we belong, playing good football and challenging for trophies- now if Moyes is appointed we will be finished.
I heard that last week Moyes was approached and offered a 6 month deal which he supposedly turned down wanting 2 years and I thought that cannot be true but now it’s looking as though maybe something is going on.
Please let it just be paper talk.
This could be a really bad week with Moyes being appointed and liar Johnson winning the election.
Steve Johnston
56 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:15:43
Daniel 49.

Spot on mate! I've said all along that Kenwright still has a huge say in the running of the club. Wouldn't be surprised if part of the deal with Moshiri was that he got to stay on and 'advise' etc. Reckon this is what drove the Man City owners away, they wouldn't stand for such nonsense!
Only Kenwright would want Moyes, I bloody don't! Look forward for once, Brands must know of other managers out there, Christ, the RS got Klopp!
Why do we either (a) look at failures (Martinez, Silva) or, go back to the past (Moyes)?
Its a joke, and not a funny one.

Ray Roche
57 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:24:04
Moyes has been unemployed for eighteen months.
There’s a reason for that.
Laurie Hartley
58 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:24:58
Kevin # 23 - you quite rightly point out that we are only two points above the drop zone. I would add that we need to make up for the three points we lost to Norwich very quickly. So I find myself asking two questions:

1. As an Evertonian, who would I choose to lead us out onto the Old Trafford pitch on Sunday in the hope of getting a result - David Moyes or Duncan Ferguson?

2. If I was a United fan who would I like to see leading Everton out at Old Trafford?

Steve Ferns
59 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:33:08
I despair. One of the darkest days in the history of the club. All hope evaporating and in it's place, "the plucky one". Someone fetch my pistol and some brandy.
Brian Harrison
60 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:41:09
I am not at all surprised and I said as much on the Periera thread yesterday. Trying to tempt a top coach at this time of the season and given our position is not feasible.

So the board have a couple of choices, leave Duncan in charge and see how it goes, or appoint a manager who has little or no experience in the Premier league. The final option is appoint someone who knows the league, and someone who will take the job till the end of the season and take Duncan as his assistant. So I am not surprised that Moyes is in the frame, and I agree with the maxim of never going back, but maybe by doing this we don't lose the passion that Ferguson showed but he has an experience pair of hands to help him.

Steve Ferns
61 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:44:39
Brian, at this stage of the European season, you have a point. The Chinese season just finished. The Argentinian season finishes on Friday, or at least Gallardo's contract does. This is the time to get those guys in. The summer is too late.
Chris Mason
62 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:47:27
I don’t see why anyone’s surprised at this. We’re treated like fucking idiots by Kenwright and his mates and always have been.

I hate to say this, but when you look at the way the club has been lead over the last 25 years, we get the manager we deserve

Alexander Murphy
63 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:55:51
Not Moyes.

Not Moyes !

NO ! NO ! NO, NOT MOYES !!!

Trevor Peers
64 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:56:14
We obviously can't find anyone to manage the club, Moyes is back in the frame, so we are told by the press anyway, no surprise there then. I'd say the darkest days of the club were with Silva at the helm.
Apparently he had a rule about nobody shouting in the dressing room, just about sums the guy up as a manager, who liked to sulk endlessly on the touchline. He had the personality of a dead sheep, dark days indeed, but at least there gone!
Steve Brown
65 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:09:41
Which other PL club would even give Moyes a second thought based on his record with his last four clubs? Ludicrous.
Steve Ferns
66 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:14:38
Dark days when Everton could beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd in consecutive games? How many years will it take Moyes to achieve that feat?
Dave Williams
67 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:18:43
There is a big problem with the Moyes idea. These players were clearly not motivated under Silva but were on Saturday under Duncan. Would Moyes be able to motivate them when they consider his record and also how despised he is by some supporters? It strikes me he would be at a huge disadvantage before he uttered a word!
Brian Williams
68 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:20:35
If Moyes gets the job, under any arrangements, he'll think all his Christmas's have come at once, let alone just this one.
I'm just hoping this is more media bullshit and that Moshiri is listening to Brands, because surely Brands wouldn't advocate having Moyes back.
I'm holding off on getting the length of rope out of the shed just now but should Moyes be confirmed I know where it is.
Kevin Dyer
69 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:27:01
If a skinflint dope like Ashley can get a CL winner like Benitez to take over at Newcastle in a desperate effort to somehow avoid relegation I have no clue how we seem unable to attract a good manager.

We know this is Kenwright's play (no pun) but if Moshiri capitulates then he really is clueless and weak. He may be a billionaire and this conjures up someone aggressive and dynamic but he made all his money off being Usmanov's accountant and so it seems his strength is in that field, rather than being a leader. If Bill wins this fight we'll get our definitive answer on Farhad.

Felt on a high on Saturday as we had passion and energy on the field and the sideline, for once. I figured that leaving DF in charge up to and including the Arsenal game would give us more time to get the right man in, assuming Dunc doesn't thrash everyone 3-0 in the meantime. For me the only options are young managers with winning resumes (Gallardo, Jardim etc) or someone with a class resume (Benitez, Ancelotti). Not poaching someone from teams with more losses than wins, or routinely mired in relegation battles, retreads or journeymen.

Moyes's record since leaving us is poor. Without the historical connection he wouldn't be getting a second look. Silva gets stick - and rightly so _ but compare and contrast him parachuting in to try and save a terrible Hull side; brought in some good options in the window and got them playing, almost pulled it off. Moyes at Sunderland: brought in a bunch of washed-up old boys and bums, then moaned to the press before the season kicked off about how they'd be in a relegation dogfight. Embarrassing.

Scott Hall
70 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:40:36
Dear Everton hierarchy,
You've successfully disappointed me for over 30 years and yet still I've returned. But I promise you, if you appoint David Moyes as the new manager of Everton Football Club, I am finished.
You have an opportunity now to define your ambition. Do not determine that ambition to be one of plucky underdogs always coming close but never actually achieving.
David Moyes is the epitome of mediocre. A manager that was average 10-years ago before the game had moved on. Consider why other premier league clubs that do not have the stature of Everton, who have been searching for a manager in the last 18-months (Newcastle, Watford x3, Leicester) have not even considered this man.
Please, I am begging you, literally begging you, don't do it.
Tony Abrahams
71 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:44:05
Just to add a little bit more to the vote currently on T/W, because not only did I vote no, I would never go inside Goodison Pk again, whilst David Moyes, was Everton’s manager.

I stopped going to Goodison after Wigan knocked Everton out of the FA CUP, because I was fed up with him and Kenwright, but luckily for me Moyes left at the end of that season with a distinction in deception, because I don’t know many who have pulled the wool, over the fella who has pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes for years!

Chris Mason
72 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:47:35
Nicely put Tony
Jim Bennings
73 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:50:37
Whilst I respect the ship steadying job Moyes did in his stint here, there was that fabled old glass ceiling that never got broken, arguably Martinez did it in his first season by surpassing any points total that Moyes achieved and ended the Old Trafford hoodoo instantly.

I cannot see any reason on Gods green earth why we would want to appoint Moyes again, football has left him behind now, as proven in his jobs since leaving here.

Moyes could do nothing that Duncan Ferguson couldn’t do between now and May so in my opinion this is pure insanity and it will prove that the board have yet again panicked same as the Allardyce appointment.

Hopefully the board wake up and see what’s in front of them and that the short term appointment of Big Dunc would be universally popular whereas the Moyes move would be a disaster as soon as things started going wrong on the pitch.

Chris Cole
74 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:02:56
Reappointing Moyes after how he left and how disrespectful he was when trying to sign Baines, etc., would say to me that he is bigger than our club.

I look forward to Manchester United having their pick of any of our players, as if he were reappointed then I couldn't argue with his expressed sentiment that keeping a player at Everton would be stifling their ambition, as we sure as hell wouldn't have any left!

Whatever happened to NSNO? Some of the relegation panickers on here should remember the motto too and take a long hard look at themselves and their pursuit of mediocrity. While we may only be two points above the relegation zone, two teams are cut adrift (we are six points above 2nd bottom), many around us are in a worse state, and we are 10th favourites for relegation (at 16/1), according to the bookies. Only three go down. Do us all a favour and stop panicking.

Jimmy Hogan
75 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:08:00
How sick I am of waking up in the morning to see Moyes linked with Everton once again. I don't need to list the reasons for not giving him the job, plenty of others have done that. All I will say is that he is not and never will be, a winner.
Steve Ferns
76 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:13:16
If Moyes comes in, then I can see us swapping Krystof Piatek for Moise Kean. This would be a move that would encapsulate Everton. Swapping one of the most promising teenagers in European football (at least he was when he arrived) for an expensive flop who might be better for the here and now, but has a much lower ceiling than Kean. Our hopes and dreams crushed.
Fran Mitchell
77 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:16:41
We should keep Dunc for at least whilst the 'big-dunc' boost lasts, and spend the time looking for a quality manager who will take that boost and continue with it - Gallardo for one.

Moyes would be a fine way of taking all the positivity from Saturday and shitting all over it.

Steve Ferns
78 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:17:52
Fran Gallardo is now or never isn't he? We can't let him renew his contract.
Paul Jones
79 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:23:38
If Moyes comes to Everton he will be quickly followed by Phil Neville and more surplus from United like Phil Jones & Chris Smalling with Richarlison going in the opposite direction.
Steve Ferns
80 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:26:12
Paul, his backroom will be Chris Woods, Neil Dewsnip, Steve Round, and Alan Irvine. I also hear he is after someone from Wigan.
Ken Kneale
81 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:27:51
I want to know who the 16 % are who are saying 'YES' on the poll? Are they RS infiltrators to TW?
Duncan McDine
82 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:53:16
I can only assume they didn’t understand the question Ken
Brent Stephens
83 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:05:00
What are the similarities between Brands' approach to football and that of Moyes? Do they gel at all? To the extent they don't, where will this take the relationship between the two and their longer-term futures?
Eddie Dunn
84 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:07:32
This is how to deflate all of the positivity of the great win with Duncan inspiring all and sundry.
If there is any truth in this then the lunatics really have taken over the asylum.
Peter Barry
85 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:10:37
There is no question regarding Everton to which the answer is 'Bring back the traitorous backstabbing subsequent serial failure David Moyes'
Brent Stephens
86 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:14:02
Let's just hope this talk of Moyes is being put out by the club as a bargaining chip in an attempt to get somebody else for less than crazy money.
Rob Dolby
87 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:16:16
If Golum comes back I will take a break from going to the game. I have had a season ticket for 41 years, 11 of them under the knife to a gun fight attitude of Moyes.
Phil Greenough
88 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:16:48
I don't know why the Board doesn't issue a statement about Moyes, one way or the other.
Steve Ferns
89 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:19:39
Rob, we need to organise something. We need people to remain outside the stadium. An empty stadium will show the whole footballing world what we think of Kenwright, Little Miss Dynamite, and Moyes.
Steve Johnston
90 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:23:07
Deffo no to Moyes from me. but who to choose? I don't know, my knowledge of professional football has been diminishing over the last few years or so. Together with my interest.
Too much money, Sky darling teams, blatant cheating (even encouraged at times), mercenary players etc. In truth, I don't want Everton to become the new Chelsea/Man City. seemingly no soul any more, just loads of money and a turnover of mercenary players. But, I guess that IS what football has become now.
Yet, looking at Leicester (possibly Wolves), surely Everton can have a progressive plan? Investment (but not throwing money about like confetti). people at the top who know what they're doing would be a start!
Mick Roberts
91 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:27:38
The facts are one manager has turned us down ancelloti will turn us down for arsenal he already has a home in london so who are we left with benitez has stated no way back to the prem for him yet big project in china more like big money in china so we have Moyes who with dunc has his assistant also fetch in cahill could work out
Steve Ferns
92 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:27:52
Steve J. if only we paid a large amount of money to an expert to do just that. We could call said expert Director of Football or something.
Paul Saleh
93 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:32:03
I thought Brands was brought in to oversee issues like this. I would thought he would have scouted and got a list of proposed managers interested in the Everton position and then present it to Moshiri.

I don't even know what clout Kenwright has, but if he is still having influence and Moyes does come in it makes a mockery of the structure put in place.

Moyes should never come back, I would rather have Ferguson until a suitable manager is found

Steve Ferns
94 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:32:13
Ancelotti is remote possibility and so it looks like Moyes. So not Moyes to hold the fort, but Moyes. Another 11 years of lowering expectations.

Link

Andrew Dempsey
95 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:32:53
The real shocker will be if it’s a longer term contract and not just till the end of the season.
I think I’ll just follow both World Darts tournaments a lot more closely if that’s the case, pretend it isn’t happening.
It’ll be a case checking our results on teletext, and watching MOTD if we win.
Can’t be arsed with this grim football again.
Remember, Moyes = one striker up front.
Don’t forget that, it will never be two up front with him, unlike Duncan and his 442.
Steve Johnston
96 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:35:10
Steve F. True! But, perhaps with Brands being on the board, I do wonder as to just how much say he has on footballing matters? Moshiri wanted Silva, Kenwright wants Moyes. Surely, they should let Brands do HIS job and find a manager? But then, who knows what goes on with Everton's board?
Steve Ferns
97 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:38:49
Steve, he's meant to have every say on footballing matters. Everything football is down to him. Are others interfering? Most certainly. You don't need to listen to the rumours to know this is the case. The rumours will horrify you. We need to let Brands do his job and remove anyone stopping him from doing that.
Steve Johnston
98 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:45:42
Steve F. Totally agree with you. It has been like this for far too long.
Rahman Talib
99 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:45:44
This is the best piece of news today. The team Moyes left behind 11 yrs ago is still our best team to date.

And it costs pittance compared the ones we have now.

We played the best football ever under him to date and we were respected because of him despite struggling financially and almost ending up in administration three times.

Despite the difficulties, we were still able to finish top half consistently.

Those who slack off David Moyes are the same people that was ecstatic when we appointed Marco SIlva

Ray Roche
100 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:46:45
Come on Steve, let’s hear the rumours!
Steve Brown
101 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:47:37
Sky Sports reporting Ancelotti set for Everton talks.
Peter Neilson
102 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:50:09
If the rumours of Moyes return become reality surely Brands position is becoming untenable. I can’t believe Moyes would be his choice. Moshiri and Kenwright have a DoF, but with their incessant meddling won’t let him get on with the job he was brought in for.
Bill Griffiths
103 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:50:43
Initially I thought the Moyes tumours were just paper talk and no way was it going to happen. Now however it is looking more and more likely this may happen which is very, very worrying.
I think we fans need to make our feelings known somehow, though not sure of the best way of doing it.
Steve's (#88) idea of turning up at the game but not in and staying outside I guess would be one option.
How do we organise something like this is another question.
Richard Reeves
104 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:53:00
Soul destroying if true and looks like the museum will be staying open. Forget about any chance of Everton doing anything with this dinosaur in charge, the inevitable battering's of the top six/seven and possibly a real battle with relegation could be on the cards and it's no less than we deserve if this is all we aspire to.

The only reason why he fought of dressing room unrest in the past was because he had people like Neville and Cahill to help his cause and by players knowing he was here for life if he could achieve mid table every season so there was little to no chance of getting him sacked. He might not even have the same effect this time and even if he did there is a ceiling with him. Winners find a way of winning and this man has failed for over twenty years.

Looking at the results of the ToffeeWeb poll by far the majority of people don't want him back but there will always be some bread and butter fans who are satisfied with passion alone and have a mental block in recognising the limitations of Moyes. I really hope this is not true but it's one of the reasons why Kenwright not being at the club cannot come quick enough.
Steve Johnston
105 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:53:56
Rahman. Not me. I never rated Silva either. Like Martinez (ok, he did have one good season), another manager who has mostly struggled at the bottom end of the Premier League and even been relegated. Moyes was of his time. He did well initially, but then Everton never had any ambition. When we managed a CL spot, we could (and should) have pushed on/invested. But we didn't. Like most clubs in this league, the priority is to just stay there. The odd cup run and maybe flirtation with Europe is a bonus. No pressure then. Moyes tightened us up yes, but then it was easy street from then on.

For me, since Kenwright has been there, and if he remains, we will not progress. Sorry, but that's my take on it. I had hoped Moshiri or Usmanov's man (forget his name) had the nous to push us on. It's not happening so far.

Paul Jones
106 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:55:56
No to Moyes and austerity football !
Andrew Dempsey
107 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:56:11
We weren’t respected under Moyes.
It was more like ‘Oh, look at plucky little Everton, there doing well aren’t they? With their stern looking Scottish manager. That s a proper club that. They’ve got no chance of winning anything but aren’t they lovely, eh’

It wasn’t respect, it was patronising in the extreme. We were not a threat at all, that’s why we got this so called ‘respect’. Plucky little Everton.
You know when you’re doing well as a club because you start getting abuse from all corners, not respect.
We posed no threat to the establishment, and our expectations were lowered to the point where our own fans had been gaslighted into believing David Moyes is a great manager.
Give me a list of the trophies he’s won.
I’m waiting

Jim Bennings
108 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:56:45
Rahman

Moyes towards the end made it all about him.

Every headline was

“plucky little Everton punching above their weight thanks to David Moyes “

“Moyes held back by Everton’s financial restraints, what could he achieve at a big club”

It went on blah blah blah.

He never won a single Anfield derby (against some shit Liverpool teams) because he bottled it formation wise.

He never won a Cup because he openly admitted to not taking them serious enough at times.

We were eventually held back by David Moyes.

People forget that Moyes second season in charge he was very lucky to not get sacked then, 17th place with our lowest ever points total.

How about the 2005/06 season?

A run of results that seen us beaten -by a 4-0 score line by Aston Villa, West Brom and Bolton, the same year we lost 7-0 at Arsenal.

The season we finished 4th we actually lost TEN matches in the second half of that season, we only nicked 4th because Liverpool were concentrated on the Champions League Final against Milan.

Whilst I don’t want to take away the decent things Moyes did do, yes he stabilised the ship in 2002, for a while he was what we needed but the reality is, a good few years before he left, we had already outgrown him by then.

Going back never works, especially to someone with 11 years and no success to show for it.

Steve Johnston
109 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:59:02
Andrew and Jim.

Well said! Agree with everything you both say.

Steve Ferns
110 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:00:15
What about "Everton, punching above their weight" - with our 7th biggest wage budget in the league, we were exactly where we should have been, no punching above our weight what-so-ever. Meantime Moyes oversaw the likes of Tottenham surpass us. Moyes belongs in an Everton museum, not in the Everton dugout.
Steve Ferns
111 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:04:51
11 years at Everton and 0 trophies won. He should never be considered for a return on that alone.
Jack Convery
112 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:07:40
Brands will walk if Moyes gets a permanent appt and BK continues to rule. No from me - had his time - we must move forward. Gallrdo interests me but would EFC interest him. Palacios who plays for him is a gem too.
Steve Johnston
113 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:08:16
Didn't Moshiri say something along the lines of, Everton were a museum? Like he was here to take us forward etc? Yet, he has allowed Kenwright to remain as the Museum Curator. Bringing back Moyes just keeps us in the past.
Daniel A Johnson
114 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:10:29
Moyes is passed it...…….would Liverpool go back to Benítez after Klopp. No they wouldn't and he won the European cup with them.

All dogs have their day. Hey lets call up David OLeary he got Leeds into the Champions league, or maybe John Gregory he did well at Villa. Jean Tigana the old Fulham manager is out of work. Terry Venables did well at Euro 96.

Moyes should be a distant speck in our rear view mirror he's the past we need to look to the future.

This club would be an absolute disgrace to go back.

Steve Ferns
115 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:13:47
Daniel, who's the one who had Hull on the pitch? We could get him in. At least he'd be better than Moyes!!
Brian Harrison
116 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:15:57
Well according to the press we have talked with 4 or 5 possible managers so far in the process. I wonder how many weeks will it be before we hear from our board, or is the truth is nobody fancies the job despite the money they would get. Maybe the best option is the one right under your nose, some say Ferguson isn't tactically astute enough, were is the proof of that. He decided to play 4-4-2 when was the last time an Everton manager tried that certainly none of the last 4.

He has watched every training session and every game this squad has been involved in. He knows this squad better than anyone, their strengths and weaknesses. So who better to take the club forward, for me its a no brainer, but this club very rarely appoints the right people.

Ed Fitzgerald
117 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:16:47
Surely this is a fucking joke
Andrew Dempsey
118 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:17:56
The myth of Moyes is a fascinating one though isn’t? It managed to get him the Man United job, and we all knew how that was going to go.
Was it purely a media creation, because the myth still lingers. The scrutiny of the Man U job exposed him as an arrogant fraud to a much larger majority of sensible football fans.
But, his reputation was still strong enough within the game and the boys club punditry circle to land a few more jobs.

I got chatting to a cockney cabbie in old London town while Moyes was at the helm of The Hammers. This guy, West Ham fan, picked up on my accent, went straight into football chat, assumed I was a Liverpool fan (they always do don’t they?), I corrected him. Then he went straight in with ‘Oh this fackkn’’ c**t Moyes! It was your boy weren’t he?’
I went on to explain that I wasn’t his biggest fan, and then he goes,
‘Mate, I’d rather watch fackin’ paint dry,’

Daniel A Johnson
119 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:18:48
Aye Steve good call Allardyce's buddy he'd get em fired up.

Phil Browns his name...……...Kenwright get on the mobile when The Prof DBB has finished talking selfies

Joe Corgan
120 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:20:00
What a ridiculous appointment this would be. It also shows how completely out of touch the entire club is with the fanbase.

If it happens all I can hope it that it’s on an interim basis because our primary target, who must be someone with a much better record and bigger profile, has already accepted an offer to join us at the end of the season.

Andrew Dempsey
121 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:23:24
Brian #113

You’re so right. It’s the sensible appointment, not an overly emotional, sentimental one.
It just makes sense, it’s not that risky at all.

Dave Abrahams
122 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:24:40
Steve (92), Paul Joyce says it could be Moyes coming back, the same Paul Joyce who was battered over the head with a rolled up Echo by Duncan Ferguson, after a 4-0 nil defeat by WBA, Paul Joyce was the Echo reporter at the time, who wrote the report of the 4-0 game, Moyes was the manager at the time, true story told to me by Paul Joyce, I certainly hope he is wrong over this.

Phil McNulty says it’s possible Moyes will come back, Phil threatened by Joe Royle that he would stick a passing hedgehog up his arse, after Phil wrote a true version, to me anyway, of another poor Everton performance under Joe Royle, I also hope Phil McNulty is wrong over this Kenwright inspired backing of Moyes to come back.

I think that Moyes has a good chance of being the manager while Kenwright is still getting his voice heard, I hope it falls on deaf but sensible ears.

Ste Traverse
123 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:27:38
If an article I read last week on the Mirror website is correct, David fecking Moyes, is 'suprised' by the huge opposition to his reappointment as manager here.

If this doesn't sum up the mans undiluted arrogance and enormous ego then I don't know what does.

He obviously believes he'd be doing US a favour by stepping back into the breach rather than this club helping out his finished managerial career.

His return (if it happens) stinks of BK and his meddling again. When the fuck are we finally going to be rid of this buffoon?

Steve Ferns
124 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:31:17
Dave, if any of this is true, and we have no real insight into that, the where's Brands and what's going on with him? Is he really letting DBB, BK and Moshiri argue over Moyes and doing nothing.
James Hughes
125 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:38:35
Ste that is because in 2008 dear old boys pen, told the TGT he was doing a great job. Plucky little Everton were punching above their weight and he was our saviour. That sliced bread was not a good invention compared to him.

The deluded man still believes it.

Jerome Shields
126 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:47:21
Never.
Mal van Schaick
127 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:51:35
No Moyes. I’d rather have Big Dunc and a loyal Everton backroom staff. No more second rate yappers talking bullshit.
Tony Hill
128 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:55:23
Steve @121, my worry is that Brands is being pushed out.
David Israel
129 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:55:34
Yes, and the Tories will take the seat of Islington North.
Raymond Fox
130 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:03:31
If true I'm not that surprised, its just about the measure of the club.
What happens if he was to go on a bad run, it will be a riot.
I suppose if Duncan does not want the job they have to find someone, but it is and will be viewed as another backward step if they appoint Moyes.

Come on Dunc. step up to the plate, you can do it.

David Israel
131 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:04:11
If true, this has BK's fingerprints all over. The man will never take a rational decision if he can take any emotional one.
John Keating
132 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:04:12
I this nonsense comes to pass and Brands had anything to do with it or even accepted it, it shows what a waste of space he is and should sod off back to Holland.
If Brands is against it and has been overruled then it shows he has nil input, is a waste of space and should sod off back to Holland.
Kieran Kinsella
133 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:15:03
Steve Ferns/Dave A/Jim B

Lot of negativity from you lot but let's get real. The team are on a high after Chelsea. Fergie can go to Old Trafford with some good will in the tank meaning that even if we lose we will have a packed house fired up for Leicester in the cup. More than likely Fergie will focus on getting a result and field the strongest team against Brenda's B team.

Why would we want that to happen when we can get Moyes back. We need Moyes to lower expectations and remind us we're in a relegation battle. That we need 5 or 6 free transfers or loan signings in January. To remind us of the quality United have. To explain to use why he fielded a B team against Leicester's B team in the cup game we lost so that we can concentrate on the relegation battle. We also need Moyes to unsettle and alienate Richarlison so we can cash in on him in January. We need Moyes to dither on spending some of that money on a loan fee for Stephen Naismith only to see the clock run down and the window close. It's as if none of you negative nellies can see the big picture here. Clearly, Moyes is the Moyesiah.

Adrian Evans
134 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:16:48
God help us.
The only thing to save us would be on condition Big Duncan is the No 2,the backroom staff Duncan has got.
Big Duncan should have a big voice on the training pitch,in the dressing room and in the technical area.
David Moyes up against Big Dunc I know who wins that argument.

Its the only way itsgoing to work.

If big Dunc asks us to embrace it, then we gotta give it a go for the sake of the Club.

But if Moyes comes in trys to shut Dunc out,bring in his yes men, No.
It will be Moyes out louder than anything we heard last Sat.

Moyes 1 Dunc his No. 9999999999.Axe drops it drops on Moyes and Kenwrights head.

Soren Moyer
135 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:19:58
Davy fucking Moyes!!!!? Is this the best Everton can do? Since leaving the club got Sunderland relegated, got sacked twice and was so crap even Westham didn't want him after a half season!!!! Can this club sink any further!!? I think not!
Kenny Smith
136 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:20:14
Can’t help but think that West Ham’s situation, Pellegrini on the brink etc is going to push us into a knee jerk reaction and appoint him before they snap him up.
The fact no one’s even made him an offer since he left West Ham and getting Sunderland relegated should set alarm bells ringing to the board. The fact it doesn’t is worrying
Kieran Kinsella
137 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:22:57
Soren Moyer is an anagram of Ren! (sic) No Moyes
Ajay Gopal
138 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:26:51
My order of preference for the new Everton manager (for whatever it is worth):

Option 1: Brands’ 1st Choice
Option 2: Brands’ 2nd choice
Option 3: Brands’ 3rd Choice
Option 4: Duncan (if not Brands’ 1/2/3)
Option 5: David Unsworth
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Option 1348: Roberto Martinez
Option 1349: Sam Allardyce
Option 1350: Ronald Koeman
Option 1351: Marco Silva
Option 1352: Gun to the head
Option 1353: David Moyes
Option 1354: End of the world

Eddie Dunn
139 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:29:08
Aidrian@131, they probably think that they can get away with their plan of placing Moyes in the position by tacking DF on as his assistant. In fairness, it might work, but it is a rather cynical attempt to use Dunc's current popularity to further their aim.
To me it smacks of the board trying to make a short-term fix to save a few bob. Perhaps it would be better to wait and see how we do with just Duncan.
What does seem apparent is that the job isn't attracting the right kind of interest. So much for the calls for us to go for the best.
Mike Gaynes
140 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:32:19
I still don't believe a word of it.
Steve Johnston
141 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:32:25
Eddie. Agreed. It smacks of Kenwright if true.
Kieran Kinsella
142 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:32:58
Eddie 136

It also saves them a few quid from last week's plan of hiring Cahill as no.2 to buffer Moyes' unpopularity

Richard Reeves
143 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:35:23
To think that an average manager might be brought back because the owners have employed worse candidates since he left tells you everything you need to know about the amateurish and unambitious running of this once great club,it's almost unbelievable.

Kenwright must be thanking his lucky stars for the years we flirted with relegation in the 90's and particularly the two last day escapes.It's secured his control of the club from outright fear of a repeat,dumbed down expectation and eventually made him a very rich man.

I'm glad ToffeeWeb have run this poll though because if it's a reflection of other polls then the message is clear and cannot be interpreted differently as the media are claiming the fans are split on the idea and trying to give the impression it's 50/50.
Kieran Kinsella
144 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:36:31
Mike Gaynes 137

My worry is Phil McNulty. The BBC are usually pretty careful about posting unsubstantiated rumors. Case in point, last week McNulty said Silva was still employed after the Echo and tabloids said he had been sacked. Then about 2 minutes later McNulty said "oh yeah he's been sacked." I am not sure if it's the BBC editorial policies or McNulty being gun shy after run ins with Joe Royle. But he doesn't tend to say anything these days unless it's already happened or is very likely to.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

145 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:39:32
I posted on here last night when this story broke before turning in how it was going to cost me a good night's sleep. It did.

But I'm not in full-blown despair or volcano erupting anger mode just yet.

There has been a whole raft of rumours and favourites in recent days.

Let's see how this actually plays out before going into full meltdown.

That said, if Moyes does return, the club and its guardians will fully deserve all the scorn and outrage that I believe will follow from the supporters.

Interesting that the Moyes back poll is replicating the numbers from a similar poll on another site last week, 84% against, 16% for. That's a landslide, in General Election speak.

I'm curious to know who of TW's regular posters are in the 16% 'Yes' camp, because they are most certainly not being vocal about it in their posts. That equates to 116 people of the 724 who have voted to date as I write.

If I didn't believe in the integrity of internet polls (cough!), I'd have to conclude that either they are genuine Blues, but deep TW moles that read but don't post, or alternatively, trolls and mischief makers.

I wonder which is most likely?

Bill Gall
146 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:45:39
Now I understand why B.K. remains chairman, it gives him first hand knowledge to produce a top comedy show for the West End theaters. Title, Kill An Ambition.
Steve Ferns
147 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:47:29
Well Jay, doesn't Davie and Morag come from big families? Also, I think Davie is busy logging on every device he can get his hands on to manipulate the poll!
John Kavanagh
148 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:48:15
Last Saturday was spoilt for me by the images of a gurning Kenwright basking in the glory of a home win. Moshiri must be one of the most naive people in existence to have allowed Kenwright to continue to have anything but a figurehead role. He shouldn't have even left Kenwright with that. To now have Kenwright back in de facto control of the club is astonishing given his 5% holding.

I cannot believe that any DoF in a professional capacity would either propose or endorse a Moyes appointment. Brands will be a laughing stock among his peers and I cannot see how he could remain at the club if he has any self respect.

The dream team of Kenwright and Moyes is, for me, a nightmare. West Ham fans will be breathing a massive sigh of relief.

Steve Ferns
149 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:53:16
John K, it's a nightmare for me too. I thought 18 months ago that we would be exactly where Leicester are now and set for a very bright future under a smart young coach. Instead it's back to Kenwright and Moyes.
Francis van Lierop
150 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:55:54
Can't imagine Brands condoning this anyway. [2]

This is terrible news if true. [2]

Agreeing with the majority, and Derek #1 & Ron #2

Brian Williams
151 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:59:45
Even Alan Stubbs is jumping on the bandwagon and lauding Moyes for the job ffs!
Drew O'Neall
152 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:02:57
In sales and marketing there is a concept called price anchoring.

It’s where you put a large price next to the sale price of the item/service.

Eg. “Reduced was £100 Now £75”

You were never intended to pay the £100 anchor price, it just moves the customer’s frame of reference to make the sales price look like good value.

In football you will often see clubs, especially big ones where the seller may consider the sale inevitable, start with an outrageously low bid for a player (not Everton) to move the sellers desired sell price from the centre of their range of reference to the top (with the anchor bid at the bottom).

I suspect (hope and pray) there is a similar practice in PR.

David Moyes is the anchor and anyone else the board appoints will be more palatable for the punters.

Brian Williams
153 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:04:43
Jay#141.
Jay, in respect of your "suspicions" with regard to the poll, they held one on Talksport this morning.
They had 12,000 votes at the time of announcing it and it was 76% against Moyes and 24% for him.
That 24% could also be made up of trolls, either that or the world has gone truly mad!
Brian Williams
154 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:05:48
You did say "anchor" Drew? :-)
Jer Kiernan
155 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:07:01
I have and would argue that the appointment of DM or Benitez actually sets the tone for a relegation dog fight ( something which our team are not equipped) but the minute they walk in the door at FF 4th from bottom becomes the height of our ambitions


The side have many faults but they are NOT the 3rd worse team in the league, I can only assume this is BS, It would be a new low for our club

At a minimum give the Big Man another 6 games and let us see how things pan out.

@Brian 150

What else could Drew possibly mean ;)

Brian Williams
156 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:14:41
:-)
Sotida Conrad
157 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:21:19
Please No, Big Duncan any day of the week 💙
Jimmy Hogan
158 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:23:47
Maybe we should organise a campaign where we all phone the club and let them know of our total opposition to Moyes? We may only speak to a lowly employee, but if there are enough of us, surely this will be passed "upstairs"?
Dennis Stevens
159 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:24:42
I'd rather have kept Silva!
Tony Hill
160 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:31:00
The ricocheting of names around the management vacancy is an increasing embarrassment. We contrive once again to look disorganised and as though we are making it up as we go along. Which we probably are.

At the very least this reminds us of the need for a competent PR person. Ian Ross continues to be missed.

Des Farren
161 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:32:12
This does make for depressing reading. The situation can only worsen if it actually comes to pass and Moyes is re-appointed.

I thought we had reached our nadir with Allardyce.

If this happens our self respect as a club is massively damaged and,
after 64 years I'm out.

Jamie Crowley
162 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:32:45
Can someone please explain the logic of removing Dunc for David?

If you replace Duncan with TGT, you're going to spend millions more.

And is your final place in the table really going to be any better? For my money, it'll be worse!!

The only explanation for this is Bill Kenwright. Now I'm not necessarily a BK hater, but nor am I a lover of him at all.

BUT!

If we actually hire Moyes, it has to be a BK move. It's got his fingerprints all over it.

And you can hate him for a myriad of things, the Kings Dock fiasco at the top of the list for me. But if this lovey, power-grabbing, sentimental, spinless, weasel-shit of a man ensures Moyes is hired and we go down, which is a real possibility?

He should be hung, drawn, quartered, body feasted on by crows, and then tossed into the River Mersey, with a priest behind him performing an exorcism to rid us of the lingering demons.

I despair. How is this even a story? If there's any shred of truth to this, we are an absolute fucking circus.

And what is the mindset and logic in any of this??

Tony Marsh
163 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:36:49
David Dinosuar Moyes the ultimate serial loser. WTF are the club owners thinking. If Moyes returns a massive percentage of the fan base will turn on Deadly himself, the board and the team. Imagine the scenes if Moyes takes over the rolls over at Man Utd. After that a home game to Arsenal. If that goes tits up after what we have just witnessed on Saturday Goodison Park will erupt.

Dear oh dear won't these Muppets who run Everton ever learn?? Moyes isn't a backwards step its far worse than that. Bringing back David Moyes is a stone cold guaranteed relegation fight scenario with relegation almost a given. I for one will be done with Everton if Kenwright is allowed his wish of bringing back that fool Moyes.

Any feel good factor Big Dunc gave the fans on Saturday is slowly disappearing as the club are linked with a string of losers and none entities. Only at Everton does the Captain of the ship purposely head for the Iceberg.

Moyes will doom this club to the Championship. Why bring back a man who never beats the Big teams when all we are facing in the next two months are the big teams??? I give up my brain is starting to bleed.

Steve Ferns
164 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:49:16
Jimmy H. that's a lazy protest. You can tell it's December!

Why don't we protest properly and get ourselves down in large numbers to the Liver Building and tell DBB what we think of the board and it's decisions or lack thereof.

Pete Gunby
165 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:13:52
Great news for a team satisfied with a top 17 finish and regard reaching a semi final as success. If we set the bar low enough we shall eventually get there. Kenwright.and all associates must go.
John Keating
166 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:14:04
Can't blame Hibbo or Osman.
The blame is firmly on Silva for being so incompetent that it's come to this
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

167 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:16:39
Drew @ 148.

Nice analogy with your 'price anchoring' analogy.

I fear this is more likely a Black Friday sell-off of dated stock.

You're tempted by the huge discount being offered on a dated tech appliance, compared to it's price when first launched several years ago.

A week after picking up this mega, unmissable deal, the very latest version of the same appliance is on the market for just a few quid extra than you paid, more compatible with your other appliances and current needs.

And you feel a mug for being sucked in as you were.

Stan Schofield
168 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:29:48
There was a ToffeeWeb poll a couple of years ago regarding Allardyce. It was 80% against his appointment and 20% for it, but this suddenly changed to 60/40 when we were near the bottom of the table. I've no doubt a fair proportion of the original 20% were Liverpool supporters taking the piss, but if the shift to 40% was down to Evertonians then they fully got what they deserved when he came here.

It's interesting that the current 85/15 against Moyes is stronger than the original 80/20 against Allardyce.

Joe Corgan
169 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:31:06
Ancelotti or Moyes?

Farhad Moshiri: "Where do you fancy for dinner tonight, love? The Dorchester Restaurant orrrrrrr. Greggs?"

Mrs. Moshiri: "Errrrrrr."

Kristian Boyce
170 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:55:50
Scanning social media, the only people who I see being pro-Moyes are aged around mid 30 and below. To them Moyes's tenure was something of a 'success', keeping a plucky little Everton team top half of the table.

Does anyone have the number for the Clown with the cake from the Kenwright demonstrations a few years back? If Moyes is reappointed, he needs to be the guy leading the official welcoming party.

Andrew Dempsey
171 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:04:29
The 17%, who are they?
It can’t all be trolls.
No one can be that bored can they?
Tony Twist
172 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:11:33
If this is true then the club is really taking the p*ss. I know what they'd be thinking, we will make Dunc his number two and all the gullible fans will accept that. Come on Brands make a decision, name the new manager or announce your resignation due to people within the club not allowing you to do your job.
Steavey Buckley
173 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:15:00
Whatever managerial skills Moyes may have had were lost when he abandoned Everton to manage Manchester united. Stick with Ferguson.
Anthony Dove
174 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:27:11
From the high of Saturday to the cold turkey of more Moyes talk.
Soren Moyer
175 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:55:33
Kieran Kinsella #134, What are you saying lol?
Paul Cherrington
176 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:03:35
I'm sorry but some Everton fans are totally clueless and blinded by prejudice when it comes to the subject of David Moyes. some also have VERY short memories - I mean, I must have missed something. I thought that we were in dire trouble when he took over and had about as much credibility as the Krankies. I seem to remember him giving us our self-respect back as a club, making relegation battles a distant memory and having us challenging for Europe more often than not. along with playing some pretty decent football under him and signing some of the best players we have had in recent history.

But no, it seems from all the ridiculous negativity on here that he took us all the way down to the non-leagues and bulldozed Goodison to turn into a sausage factory?! I mean come on, what is wrong with you people? He was easily the best manager we have had in recent times and up there with the best ever. Yet some on here say they would rather have Silva back in charge and end up in the Championship or that they will refuse to go to any games if Moyes gets it? These same people though were happy to turn out for the rubbish and losses we have seen from Silva, Koeman and Martinez since Moyes left.

Talking about it being a backward step makes me laugh too - guess what, the only thing that has gone backwards is the club since Moyes left. With him we were fighting at the upper end of the table each year, since then we have gradually declined. We can't go backwards with Moyes now cos we haven't gone forward consistently since he left.

Allan Board
177 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:23:40
What?!! Guaranteed relegation if Ginger Minge comes back. Makes for a lovely cosy threesome though, Bill, Minge and BILL'S milf on the side CEO.
How has Moshiri made any money? If he sanctions this he is insane.
In fact, if we are at the "I'm Shit At Running A Football Club, Get Me Out Of Here!" stage then I've got my badges so I reckon I'll apply next week!
Give it the Big Man till the end of the season and just keep the money rolling Farhad-you know Jack shit in respect of football, nor does the drag queen that sits next to you every week.
I am astounded!!!
Soren Moyer
178 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:00:10
It appears Gallardo wants to stay at River beyond Jan 2nd! Based on his Wednesday presser. Link: https://twitter.com/riverplate?lang=en
Nicholas Ryan
179 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:11:52
Davy Moyes wasn't as bad as some people are saying …. however, that is a ship that has very definitely sailed!
David Nicholls
180 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:18:45
Paul @ 176, cracking post. As a proud member of the 16% club, that saved me some typing.
Soren Moyer
181 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:19:54
If we were to hire DM because BK thinks he was successful then why not bring Joe Royle back instead? At least he won something ffs!!
Lev Vellene
182 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:39:10
As long as the Blubbery Blue Limpet clings on to his chair in the Board-room, I'll never have a good night's rest!

Now, let's see if Duncan have more than one string to his fiddle, as I see he's been confirmed for the Man U game. Fingers crossed!

Brian Hennessy
183 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:42:11
Not sure which has been worse. The threat of relegation hovering over us the last few weeks or the threat that Moyes is returning.

Unless a top class manager comes available, we should stick with Ferguson until after Christmas. The performance he got out of the team last weekend will give him time from the fans and i'm expecting another good performance from us on Sunday.

If Moyes comes in the atmosphere will be toxic unless he goes on a run of wins.

Ciarán McGlone
184 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:44:20
Paul,

Perhaps short memories isn't the problem.. perhaps clarity and lucid recollection of 11 years of mostly dull, dour and coma inducing negative football is the reason for this rightful outpouring of grief at the suggestion of Moyes returning.

We have hopefully moved on.. and so should you.

Kevin Molloy
185 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:45:18
Evertonians do pride themselves on being a discerning bunch when it comes to footballing maters, which is why I find the current outpourings above so bizarre. If this was July I could understand it, Moyes would be back to the past, surely there are better candidates out there etc. I wouldn't necessarily agree, as no bugger worth his salt is going to view us as an attractive proposition. We've spent the Moyes legacy on rubbish players, so it's sell to buy and there's only two players worth selling. But it's not July, we're nearly into the New Year, and we're just above the trap door. And there are no mugs in the league this year, or rather what mugs there are have already beaten us by multilple goals. To a man, almost everyone is saying, 'thank god, Duncan is in charge against Man U, hopefully this means Moyes can get lost'. They would rather place the future six months in the hands of a total novice, than somebody who has been manager here for eleven years and knows the job that needs doing and how to do it. It's like you don't comprehend the total disaster that would befall us if we get relegated. We would do a Sunderland, out wage bili is insane for the championship, we would have Morgan and eight of his mates all on a hundred grand a week and no way to shift them. Down we would go, and down. Our only hope is a backs to the wall cynical grind out of results for the next four months, by an experienced manager.
Happily, I think Bill knows how this plays out. He knows dummies will be spat out everywhere with an appointment now, so let's see how the next seven days go. After that, I reckon Moyes will return, and I for one will be relieved.
Andy Crooks
186 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:47:12
Tony Marsh @ 163. Moyes mk 1 was not good enough. Can you imagine Moyes 2. Out of the game, haunted by failure. Why is his name even mentioned?
Ed Fitzgerald
187 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:48:28
Paul @176

What a laughable contribution ‘up there with the best ever’’ - really? - are you hitting the Christmas hard stuff early and or taking hallucinogens?

In 11 years we never won at Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea in the league. We never won anything, reached one cup final and on the whole served up turgid, boring football. He should have been sacked in his second season when we finished 17th. I do have a long memory I’ve been attending since 1968 and I can assure you to make a comment as crass ‘up there with the best’ - you are comparing him to Catterick, Kendall Royle is insulting and just bloody stupid. My memory serves me very well and the football served up by Colin Harvey’s and the much maligned Gordon Lee’s Everton teams was far superior and check the positions they achieved in the league.Moyes should be allowed nowhere near this club. If BK is so nostalgic he should try modelling himself on John Moore’s ruthless and determined to do the best for Everton not turn us into some kind of circus and laughing stock.

Barry Rathbone
188 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:51:16
Most overrated coach in the history of the game predictably found out as soon as exposed to real world accountability

His pact with Kenwright and other boardroom frauds eventually pocketed them all a small fortune simply by removing ambition from this club - criminal as far as I'm concerned

Moyes appointment would be akin to a crook returning to the scene of the crime

Lev Vellene
189 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:04:44
I should think DM's comment about only being able to try to win games after switching from EFC to MUFC says it all!

And then he set his tactics up to not lose games at Man U, just like he did with EFC for the prior 11 years. Instead of heeding SAF's advice to retain Man U's old assistant manager to gain knowledge of SAF's way/secrets, DM decided to switch that back-up cannon for his own towed-along medieval ballista...

No, please, NO!

Chris Cole
190 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:10:35
Kevin @185 I'm confused by your post; you're worried that if Duncan Ferguson remains in charge for any period of time we will "do a Sunderland", yet you seem to be advocating employing the manager who "managed" Sunderland for the entire season 2016-17 that they were relegated from the Premier League, finishing bottom, amassing a whopping 24 points all season - a certain David Moyes??? The mind boggles.

To be fair to Mr Moyes, we do owe him one for taking Darron Gibson off our wage bill.

Craig Walker
191 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:12:49
Johnson as PM, RS as champions of both Europe and the Premier League and Moyes back at Goodison. 2020 looks set to be shite!
Lev Vellene
192 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:19:23
Craig #191,

As that old Chinese proverb (which is actually a curse...) says it: May you live in interesting times!

We're now living in interesting times!

Kevin Molloy
193 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:19:43
Chris, yes he took them down, that's on his cv. But he's been in management 25 years, 11 of them with us, where he won manager of the year three times. if you want to take a snapshot of his calibre, I think using Sunderland would be highly unfair, it was a hospital pass the day he took it over. Just look at the squad he had.
Julian Exshaw
194 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:20:54
I don't dislike David Moyes. In fact I was quite sad when he left. But he left. I don't blame him for thinking the grass was greener at Old Trafford and to be honest I have no idea what went on behind closed doors at that time and nor do I care particularly. But he left!! We have moved on, or have we? For whatever reason he simply hasn't done it anywhere else. Appointing him again would seem to me that straws are being clutched! I would also say Uncle Bill loves the drama of it all and clearly he loves Moyes. I am surprised at Moshiri though. I would have expected slightly more ambition from him. If this is all true it's a very odd and most underwhelming move.
Martin Mason
195 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:24:19
I'd insist on him bring Steve Round back with him.
Kevin Molloy
196 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:28:01
Julian, out of curiosity, who do you then advocate should lead our relegation fight?
Lev Vellene
197 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:28:05
Martin, no curse would be complete without him! ;P
Steve Ferns
198 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:34:38
Paul #176, I commend you for the bravery to post that.

Firstly, I can see past the quality of the football, because there was some game of sublime football, although often against sides we should beat, and as soon as we lost one, it was back to basics. I can see past the comments about how Everton were "a disgrace" to prevent Baines and Fellaini joining Man Utd. I can even see past how he managed our great club for 11 years and won the same as Silva, Walker and Martinez for Everton = nothing.

For me it's all about his ability. He was sacked at Man Utd, he finished BELOW Everton with a title winning side! Then he went to Spain and made an absolute tit of himself. MOYES SPEAKING SPANISH. And from there his record was abysmal. He lost more than he won with 28.6% win percentage.

Next stop on the Moyes comedy tour was Sunderland. He won 8 of 43 games, a win percentage of 18.6%. When he first came to Everton he showed he was clever and observant and got the fans on side with his people's club comments. Here he was arrogant and ignorant. His comments upset the fans immediately telling them they are in for a relegation battle.

Finally onto West Ham, where he did keep West Ham up, but he only won 9 games from 31, a win percentage of 29.0%.

What do Man Utd, Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham fans think of Moyes? They think he's dogshit. An utter failure. And yet some want that failure, a guy who's combined Post Man Utd win percentage is 25.0% to come here. Have a word with yourselves. This is not the Davie Moyes you remember. He is old, he is beat up, he can't handle the pressure. An example of Moyes now cracking under the pressure? Threatening to give a female journalist a slap. He'd never have done that at Everton. The Davie Moyes we knew is gone. Regardless of what you think of him. This 56 year old version is tired, weary, lacking confidence, out of touch with the modern game, unable to relate to youth, and most importantly wins 1 in 4 games.

Not good enough.

Julian Exshaw
199 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:40:18
To be honest Kevin I would leave Duncan in charge for the time being. I don't expect miracles from him but good organisation aligned with the passion he delivers can go a long way in a very ordinary league. Can you imagine if Moyes gets it wrong? People talked about a toxic atmosphere with Silva. I imagine it would be much worse with DM.
David Currie
200 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:46:00
Steve 198/ Tony 163, Well said and agree with both, would be gutted if Moyes comes back. Have just got tickets for Boxing day game for myself, wife and 16 year old son. We are coming back home for Xmas from just outside LA and praying that he is not in charge on our first live game since last boxing day when we were at Turf Moor for the 5-1 win. Just wanted to ask which pubs we should go to before and after the game. We are staying in the city center for 1 night and want to make sure we stay in blue pubs only.
Thx for any help.
Steve Ferns
201 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:49:27
They're all blue pubs David. Best go on a crawl. Be sure to go to the Dark House, the Glebe, the Wilmslow, and the Royal Oak. Sadly lots of the famous old ones have been closing down.
Paul Tran
202 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:51:21
Steve. Nail on head. A man whose last four jobs have ended in abject failure. A man who hasn't managed at all for a few years. Were we considering anyone else with that record, we would be laughing at ourselves.

Let's be blunt here, the best argument for Moyes is that he's not as shit as who we've had since. Do we really want to recruit someone based on what he did (win nothing) years ago? Are we really that 'small club' Benitez referred to, that upsets many on here, but has a large grain of truth?

David Currie
203 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:54:37
Thanks Steve will do, hope I don't see Moyes in any of them.
Steve Ferns
204 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:58:08
David, if you dare, remind us nearer the time and a few guys would surely love for you to buy them a pint!

Oh, word of warning from the last time I met an American Toffee in the pub, he was so shocked at the price of beer he tried to spend as much as he thought he'd spend and was drinking very quickly and before kick-off seemed to be in no fit state to enjoy the match! He said it was 2.5 times more expensive over your side of the Atlantic.

Mike Gaynes
205 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:02:29
Spot on as always, Steve and Paul.
Clive Rogers
206 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:05:43
If Moyes comes back... it's time to give up.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

207 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:21:51
David Moyes joined Everton 17 years ago in 2002.

He left 6 years ago in 2013.

Would any of the following clubs advocate reverting to any of the following managers who were in charge of them in either 2002 or 2013?

Man City - Kevin Keegan/Brian Kidd
Leicester - Dave Basset/Nigel Pearson
Wolves - David Jones/Dean Saunders
Spurs - David Pleat/Tim Sherwood
Palace - Ian Dowie/Tony Pullis

Need I go on?

And before comes back and say: 'Yeah, but some of them are REALLY old and never did much as managers anyway..."

EX-ACT-LY!!!


Steve Ferns
208 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:29:18
Jay, you know, I think Iain Dowie could do a job.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

209 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:31:50
Player-manager Steve. Striker problem solved!
Steve Ferns
210 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:32:59
Jay, I was thinking more of security, or painting the stones around the pitch blue again. You missed an open goal there!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

211 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:39:13
Cruel, Steve, cruel.

But now you've started it

How about pitch pigeon scarer-offer, as long as it doesn't extend to Richarlison?

Ken Kneale
212 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:43:53
Paul 176,

I think you must have some very Moyes tinted spectacles. Your comments are lacking credibility.

David Moyes was one lucky bloke to get 11 unchallenged years at Everton when he never got his hands near a trophy, was a serial loser at what we consider our natural rivals' grounds, and played some very drab football on an all-too-frequent basis.

If, as you suggest, he can be judged against the best, dig out some footage of Kendall's Mk I teams or any of Catterick's great sides – you will then see how an Everton side should play football.

Steavey Buckley
213 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:45:27
Whoever is ultimately named as Everton's next manager should have a clause inserted in their contract that they must play at least 2 strikers upfront. It is pointless playing one striker and hope he can attack all by himself and score goals. Yet, many brainless previous Everton managers believe 1 striker is the answer to all attacking problems.
Steve Ferns
214 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:53:50
Steavey, Duncan will play one striker on Sunday, you wait and see. Our midfield was so far apart, they had different post codes. We cannot lose our shape so badly, and we don't have a Gueye or Kante to do the running of two men.

4-4-2's weaknesses were there for you to see. Go back, watch the game, you'll see them if you watch it objectively.

Roger Helm
215 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:58:07
Comebacks in sport hardly ever work - why should this?
Anthony Jones
216 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:58:29
Please no, no, no, no, no.

Just no.

No debate to be had here.

The Earth is not flat.

Moyes is finished.

Steve Ferns
217 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:04:46
The Earth is not flat! hahaha
Sorry Jay, missed your pigeon joke!
Anthony Jones
218 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:09:15
Jay, 207, great point.

Isn't it interesting how so many managers fade away from the top level so fast.

Tim Sherwood was shite.

Steavey Buckley
219 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:11:04
Steve, it is still the weakness of previous ex-managers of buying players who are not up to the job of allowing the manager to play 2 upfront, even a much younger Pele at his peak would have difficulty scoring goals as a lone striker in an Everton team.
Daniel Thomas
220 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:12:55
Paul, 176. Couldn’t have said it better.

I find it astonishing the stick the man gets on here. At the very least he deserves credit for consistently delivering top half finishes, making some of the best signings in Premier League History, and for a couple of seasons, playing some fantastic football.

We are currently the butt of most jokes. We were never that under Moyes.

To be clear. I would HATE it if he came back. But for the most part, I enjoyed his tenure.

Let’s roll the dice with Dunc til January. Then reassess.

Andy Crooks
221 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:29:55
Steve @198, among many fine posts, that is your finest. It should be painted on the road near to Kenwright. It should be emailed to the club.

I should say that I have met Iain Dowie. He is a good man. I would take him over Moyes any day if only for the fact that he has integrity.

Never, ever Moyes. I will not be responsible for my actions should he be appointed. Steve Ferns, may I engage you in advance. No jury in the land will convict me.

Ken Kneale
222 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:35:58
Daniel,

What part of winning nothing, being a serial loser to Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc and gloriously, a soon to be relegated Wigan whilst for the whole time of tenure talking Everton down and demoting them in the football hierarchy did you enjoy exactly?

He was one lucky and well paid man protected by his Chairman – a bang average coach with a negative mindset.

Paul Birmingham
223 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:52:27
Everton sadly has become the modern day version of a medieval play - farce, in context, the objective is never achieved, the goal is lost for eternity, as well it maybe based on the last 30, years in our case, because of perpetual naivety and lack of courage and conviction.

To change is to lose and to dither is seen, as being interested, but really can't be arsed.

That's the way I see our board. Surely Marcel Brands must have a say in the next manager recruitment project?

Whom is, or will be made the scapegoat for the failings as, so many of us stated, and hoped he'd succeed, but failed by light-years, will be made accountable for the failings of Marco Silva?

It seems and I hope that Farhad as the club owner won't become a dictator...

If anyone knows more please spill. I sense the clubs real future and integrity is at stake.

Reality check thus is, have we tried one of the great players and successful managers in Diego Simone?

If we can't get this type of manager with proven record, then are we by default on success criteria, by default only now allowed the best of the so-called UK best managers?

That's alarming and would require the next Clough or Kendall to be discovered.

Scary days, but looking forward to all views and ideas.

I hope that there's a stunt that will surprise us all, but I sense like the weather, we will not see the manager we all hoped for.

So in my view let Duncan achieve as best he can, but please not Moyes.


Final note: Let's beat Man Utd, at all costs.

,

Don Alexander
224 Posted 11/12/2019 at 23:11:34
Interesting thread... but, as we, Everton, publicly continue in our quest for a new manager in a manner more befitting of a virgin bridegroom seeking some lass to shag on his stag night, and whilst we have a poll running on the desirability of Moyes, or not, can we please have a poll on the acceptability of Kenwright as a still participating chairman right up to his nuts dicking about in seeking a manager with the almost guaranteed stench of failure soon to engulf us again?
Joe Corgan
225 Posted 11/12/2019 at 23:15:07
I’m not enthralled by the suggestion that David Moyes looks set to return for a second spell, and he certainly wouldn’t be my choice, but some of the criticism levelled at him borders on the unfair.

In his first spell at Everton Moyes took an awful team of donkeys and journeymen who were in a perennial relegation battle and in just three years, finished 4th. Had we not been denied a goal by a very dubious refereeing decision by Collina (who was brought of our retirement for one game, in the one season five English clubs reached the Champions League) we may well have reached the Group Stages.

He brought in numerous bargains like Cahill, Arteta, Gravesen and Lescott and for a time we were regularly finishing in the top six with European qualification.

In 2008 we were unfortunate to be knocked out of the UEFA Cup by Fiorentina with the second, home, leg being one of the best performances by an Everton side since the 80s. Had we won that tie I truly believe we’d have gone on to win the tournament, having already beaten the eventual winners, Zenit St Petersburg during the group stages.

We reached the FA Cup Final in 2009 where we led but eventually lost 2-1 to a fantastic Chelsea team. We finished 5th that season too.

All of the above and was achieved on a shoestring budget and only in Moyes second full season, 03/04, did we ever get involved in a relegation scrap although, despite finishing 17th, we were never really in a lot of danger. After 19 games we were in 11th place. After 30 games we’d fallen to 14th but still six points clear of the drop zone. Even heading into the final few weeks of the season we maintained a six point gap to the teams below us.

The football under Moyes was industrial in the early years, which is understandable given the players he had at his disposal but it improved massively especially during his middle years. To say the style of play was turgid and defensive throughout his tenure is just wrong, although I admit there was a decline towards the end. It’s worth pointing out that in his last two seasons in charge, Everton finished 7th then 6th despite the emergence of Spurs and Manchester City. In both seasons we at least finished above Liverpool.

At Manchester United Moyes win rate was 52.94% - slightly better than his successor, Louis Van Gaal despite only being allowed to make two signings in Fellaini and Mata. Van Gaal, in contrast, spent £200m with a net of £150m. Later, Mourinho’s win percentage was only 3.5% better than Moyes’. The United side he inherited, despite winning the league the season prior, were not the best Alex Ferguson ever put together and I’m fairly certain Ferguson called it a day when he did precisely because he didn’t fancy another rebuilding exercise. Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, Carrick, Giggs and Berbatov were all over 30 while players like Rafael, Anderson, Hernandez and Evans never quite fulfilled their early potential. The fact that most of United’s 2012/13 side left the club under Moyes and Van Gaal demonstrates that squad time at the top was ending.

Sociedad was where the wheels began to fall off, although he did take over in November with the team in 15th and ended the season in 12th. The following season, they were just above the relegation zone when he was sacked.

He took Sunderland down the following season but, as the passage of time has shown, they were a mess of a club and it could be argued that no-one could have kept them up. Moyes was criticised by Sunderland fans for suggesting at the beginning of that season that they might go down. Was this pessimism or realism?

Moyes took over at West Ham in November 2017 with the club in the relegation places. They eventually finished 13th, nine points clear. If I remember correctly, it was by no means certain that Moyes was going to leave the club at the end of the season. Ultimately the West Ham management decided not to renew his contract opting, instead, to go for Pellegrini. An understandable decision given his pedigree although even now we sit above them in the table, with them only clear of the relegation places by a single point.

I realise a lot of the bad feeling from Evertonians towards Moyes comes from some of the comments he made about us after leaving, as well as running down his contract so that we received no compensation when he went to United. I am not attempting to defend his conduct in any way, but if you’re going to criticise his actual managerial record at least look at all of the facts first and not just the ones which suit your already-held opinion.

As I said, I’m not in favour of us going back to Moyes but his record is not nearly as bad as some suggest and it likely wouldn’t be the total disaster some predict. He knows the club, many of the staff and the league. I don’t have a lot of confidence in his ability to take us close to the top 7 over the next couple of years but he’s probably less of a risk than the so called glamour-managers (e.g. Ancelotti, Marcelino, Emery) in terms of moving us away from the relegation places in the here and now. Have any of those three ever had to scrap for points during a harsh British winter? Could they adapt to life in Northern England?

Jack Woods
226 Posted 11/12/2019 at 23:44:54
As others have said, if we re-hire Moyes, then we deserve to go down.

Literally every time that I can remember this club goes back to its ex-players, it's never as good as the first time around: Pienaar, Gravesen, Rooney, Jeffers, Manny Fernandes etc.

John Reynolds
227 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:03:28
Haven’t read much of this but have the gist of it. Instead of complaining on here, we’d all be better off using the official site and our membership numbers to object. So that’s what I did. May have stalled his appointment by a month! 😄

“We have logged this (as reference #00215002: "Manager") and a member of the Everton Football Club Fan Based Services team will respond to you within 28 days to ensure we can gather as much information as possible relating to your query.”

Andy Crooks
228 Posted 12/12/2019 at 00:25:45
John, serious question. What do we do to protest against Moyes if we can't get to games. I have emailed the club in the past and been ignored. How do we get their attention?
John Reynolds
229 Posted 12/12/2019 at 00:32:06
I honestly don't know, Andy. Email them, ring them I guess. I'm going over to the Leicester Carabao Cup game. First one of the season, as I generally work weekends. I hope Dunc is still in charge. If Moyes is, then I might take up Steve Ferns suggestion of standing outside the ground making my feelings known.
Albert Perkins
230 Posted 12/12/2019 at 02:26:17
Just left my Moyes out ! message on the official EFC comments section.
Matt Woods
231 Posted 12/12/2019 at 03:35:05
I hope to all hope that Joycie is wrong about this, but he's a top journalist and his work covering Everton is generally spot on. I am out of my mind with fear.
It is incredulous to me his name can be linked to Everton on the verge of 2020.
His possible appointment for me would be the final nail in the coffin. As a club as a business as a great British footballing institution it finally kills off all hope for me personally. This is not the Everton Football Club and its fine traditions my father bled into my soul. What in fucks name is going on!!!!?
We have lurched from one embarrassment to another under successive hopeless boardrooms. When Moshiri arrived the long and laborious wait seemed to be over. Our day was coming, the excitement was palpable. What a complete shambles has followed.
From daring to dream, we now have the grim spectre of a possible return of Dour Davey. Honestly this feels like its coming now. Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and David Moyes is a nightmare that is becoming a reality. Nobody deserves this.. Nobody.
Albert Perkins
232 Posted 12/12/2019 at 04:23:58
I really hope Moyes is not being saved the ignominy of being beaten at Man Utd in his first game back as manager of EFC, then hailed as the new savior as manager on Monday.
Rahman Talib
233 Posted 12/12/2019 at 06:30:22
If I were Ancellotti, I would go to Arsenal where I can enjoy time in Europe as well.

Not waste my time fighting relegation with Everton.

David Currie
234 Posted 12/12/2019 at 06:50:50
Steve F, No from England emigrated to San Diego in 1995 and have been coaching youth teams ever since.
Will still be happy to buy the drinks, especially if we win 5-1 again like last boxing day. What a game that was to see live.
Colin Glassar
235 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:02:24
If it’s between Moyes and Ancelotti I think I’d go with . Ancellotti.
Duncan McDine
236 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:20:22
What an exciting few days ahead... what with the wonderful candidates in today’s general election (I’m like a kid in a sweet shop - can’t decide which is the most awesome), to the thought of David Moyes returning to his beloved spiritual home. God is Good
Andy Walker
237 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:21:53
Joe 225, a well balanced article. Nice to see reasoned comment with no hyperbole. Cheers.
Ken Kneale
238 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:48:50
John - so am I I will get my placard ready.
Martin Mason
239 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:51:39
Moyes was very good in buying good players to fit his system but things have changed and he won't be the manager now but head coach. I'm not sure that he is that person.
Paul Cherrington
240 Posted 12/12/2019 at 09:05:45
As expected, the replies to my earlier post in support of David Moyes have no basis in reality for the most part and merely rely on rehashing personal, prejudiced views on what was a very good manager for us.

I won't name names but you just have to shake your head and laugh at some of the rubbish certain Everton fans come out with when it suits. Apparently we had an entire 11 years of defensive football with not one decent performance to shout about – except we didn't if you actually want to go back through those years and see for yourself.

Or some say he betrayed us – except he gave 11 (yes that's 11) years of loyal service and hard work to fans who obviously didn't deserve it because some of them are so ungrateful. I see some think that, because he won nothing, he should be deemed an abject failure and not considered up there with the best we have had. I expect, if you take that approach, you rule out most managers in the land and also take a very unrealistic view of what makes a good manager for a club in our state.

Consistent top-half finishes on a shoestring, buying in some of the finest players I have seen for many years, giving us back our respect in the game, getting into Europe regularly and finishing in the Champions League spots to me do show he is a decent manager. You name me others apart from Kendall, Royle and Catterick who can present a much better record than that?

I think it boils down to people not being able to read properly – I said he was up there with the best, not THE best. to put him on a par with Walker or Silva shows a real ignorance of the game.

The suggestion that Everton have somehow moved on and flourished free from the shackles of Moyes is laughable too. The only place we have gone is down since he left – how can employing the man who we actually did better under for years be a backward step? The only time we have been a circus and laughing stock in recent years is after Moyes left because he wasn't here to keep things on an even keel. I find it insulting that people have so little grasp of reality that they cannot see that.

And please do not try to manipulate his record since he left us to fit these ridiculous arguments against him. Let's have it right – Man Utd was a poisoned chalice where he actually did okay in hindsight, Sociedad he actually took up the league in the full season before he was sacked, Sunderland was an impossible task for anyone and West Ham was a success as he did what was required of him.

To claim he is a serial loser and built up a reputation on sheer luck is just totally false. We know how ruthless football is – if he were that bad, he would not have lasted 11 years. Look how quickly we got rid of really poor managers like Silva or Koeman.

I also don't get this 'Oh if xxxxxx is made manager I'm throwing my toys out of the pram like a 2-year-old and giving up'. To be honest, if you are that fickle and childish then you shouldn't be supporting Everton anyway.

We support the club, not individual managers or players. I didn't want Silva here but I never once thought about spitting my dummy out and stopping supporting Everton when he was made coach. People need to grow up a bit.

Stan Schofield
241 Posted 12/12/2019 at 09:46:25
Joe@225: That's a very good post, fits the facts as far as I can recall. I'm not in favour of Moyes now, things have moved on, but as you say it's important to be fair when looking at the history.

One thing I do recall clearly about Moyes. I always listen to the comments of neutrals, and during Moyes' time the comments tended to be that we were difficult to beat, and that Moyes was a very good manager given the resources he had.

I remember mentioning this to a red about 10 years ago, and he replied that Moyes was shite. I said, how do you make that out? He said, he's won nothing. I've subsequently had the repeated pleasure of reminding him that Liverpool have won little given the massive amount of money they've spent.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Derek Taylor
242 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:04:00
Both are past their best, Colin @ 235. Ancelotti has never managed a struggling club whilst every club Moyes has managed since Everton has ended up struggling.

I believe the former candidate is only 'talking' to Moshiri to arouse the interest of Arsenal --our man is being played. I predict Moyes will get the nod and Everton will fade into insignificance.

If Dunc beats Manu on Sunday, the noise it will create will see him in the Job until season's end.

Craig Walker
243 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:36:25
10 years ago today I got married. It just seems like yesterday. It was a Saturday and I was very nervous - we had a tricky away tie at Stamford Bridge. People gave me updates during the wedding speeches. We got a 3-3 draw. Moyes was our manager and a certain Carlo Ancelotti was the Chelsea boss.

I know which one of these two I want as our next manager and unfortunately, I think I also know which one we'll get.

Tony Abrahams
244 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:41:20
if I was managing a team with the seven highest wage bill in the country, and consistently came round about there in the table, I would just be doing my job.

Unlucky with injuries when he finally got to a cup final, but that’s the problem Stan, because most of these neutral observers, are the same people who don’t view Everton, in the same way they were viewed at the start of the EPL, so it’s definitely all a matter of perspective, and the disdain Moyes, showed for Everton, when they didn’t want Baines or Fellaini to leave, is the reason why I hold David Moyes the man, in the lowest possible esteem.

Everyone looks after themselves in this life, (except the beautiful 1%) but to then look down on your former employees and fan base, once he thought he cracked it, showed me exactly what a phoney bastard David Moyes really was, but again, not everyone will have the same perspective of course.

Chris Leyland
245 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:44:12
I’m not in favour of Moyes coming back. It’s not because of his record whilst he managed us. It’s not because of the manner in which he left us. It’s not because of the way he tried to sign Fellani and Baines on the cheap and the comments about the club at the time.

It’s because he is a shit manager now.

His record since leaving Man U is absymal. Ask yourselves this: do you want Mark Hughes? Do you want Alan Pardew? Do you want Tony Pullis? No? Well Moyes is in the same bracket as them. If he hadn’t managed us in the past then there is no way he would be a contender to manage us now with his recent record. He shouldn’t even be on the longlist let alone the shortlist.

John Raftery
246 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:03:24
Joe (225) Thank you for a very balanced perspective on David Moyes. I agree with all of it. I would only add in response to other comments that after he succeeded Ferguson the responsibility for the initial derisory bid for Fellaini/Baines lay with Ed Woodward, despite Moyes warning him not to mess around with Everton. Woodward ended up with egg on his face when he allowed Fellaini’s release clause of around £23m to expire before within weeks being forced to pay £27.5m.
Dave Rusk
247 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:29:38
Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere on this thread but Ancelotti's Chelsea played Moyes' Everton six times when he was their manager without winning once. Two EFC wins, three draws and the FA Cup pens shoot out which we won.
PS. I still don't want Moyes back !
Chris Williams
248 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:52:08
According to The Athletic, Moshiri wanted Pereira, (now irrelevant),Brands was not keen, and Kenwright wants Moyes and Brands doesn’t.

If this is true then two things, Brands seems to be holding out against the two people who really shouldn’t be getting this involved, and who does Brands want?

Duncan has bought him some time and hopefully will buy him a bit more on Sunday.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out now, and how Brands plays it. Hopefully he will impose his will, however subtly he chooses to do it.

Chris Leyland
249 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:52:25
John Raffety (245) but it wasn’t Ed Woodward who said:

“I know that if I'd been Everton manager and Sir Alex had come asking for Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini, I'd have found it very difficult to keep them because I always felt the right thing to do was what was right for the players,"

Steve Mink
250 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:57:10
Don't want Moyes.
Don't want Ancelotti - great manager but poor fit for what we need.
Don't think the Duncan Ferguson schtick is going to cut it longer term.
Would worry about taking a manager straight from South America into a relegation struggle.
Don't think we will get anyone good mid-season.
I think Benitez ticks all of the boxes but don't know his contractual position as Chinese season ends.

By inexorable logic that suggests the best interim we can get to see out the season. Moyes as an interim might be the best of a bad lot.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

251 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:57:23
Joe @ 225.

I can - and have - acknowledged all the good things David Moyes did on his 11-year watch at Everton.

But that's not the complete tale, is it? You yourself acknowledge that in your own post.

The mistake that the likes of Paul Cherrington @ 176, Kevin Molloy @ 185 make in scoffing at Evertonians for not wanting Moyes' return is that they don't take the same balanced view as you - and others - take.

Furthermore, they attempt to frame the question in terms of 'we're in a relegation battle. Moyes is our only possible saviour'. They are looking down and finishing 17th as the height of their ambitions, rather than looking up, with more than half a season to play in a compacted league, to the possibility of landing a European place for next season.

Not surprising, then, that they are acolytes of David Moyes. Because that epitomises the very cosy relationship that existed between our former manager and (still!) chairman, Bill Kenwright: a careful management and dumbing down of expectations, portraying impoverished Everton as plucky featherweights punching above their weight.

When David Moyes first arrived at Everton, he still had fire in his eyes and his belly. He hit exactly the right note in his very first presser, speaking of 'the People's Club'. He was out on the pitch before KO leading the warm-up with sharp drills. He was animated and fiery on the touchline. He spoke of 'winning'.

In time, that dissipated. It became increasingly about playing the odds, eking out results to ensure mid to upper table finishes. Managing expectations.

He left for United still, I would argue, with gratitude from a good bulk of Evertonians. But immediately - and I mean IMMEDIATELY - his public pronouncements and dealings with his former club antagonised and alienated many a Blue. Including myself.

On that alone, if we have any self-dignity left at our club at all, he should never - but NEVER! - be allowed to return to Everton in any salaried position at all.

That he is being mooted to return as our first team manager, 17 years after he first joined us, 6 years since he left us, is a very very bad joke on us all.

The likes of Paul and Kevin calling for his return reveals to me an extremely limited scope of thinking that they cannot think or see beyond David Moyes as we fast approach the year 2020. 2020 vision they ain't got.

To repeat an earlier post of mine in this thread, David Moyes joined Everton 17 years ago in 2002. He left 6 years ago in 2013.

Would any of the following clubs advocate reverting to any of the following managers who were in charge of them in either 2002 or 2013?

Man City - Kevin Keegan/Brian Kidd
Leicester - Dave Basset/Nigel Pearson
Wolves - David Jones/Dean Saunders
Spurs - David Pleat/Tim Sherwood
Palace - Ian Dowie/Tony Pullis

I think it would be a resounding 'NO!' So why should Everton and Evertonians think the contrary for us?

The single game under Duncan Ferguson v Chelsea last Saturday should have immediately made any continuing calls for David Moyes return permanently redundant.

That his Grim Reaper spectre is still being mentioned as a possibility is extremely disturbing on many levels, not least the role, judgement and influence of Marcel Brands.

There is a whole heap more at stake here than the viability or otherwise of David Moyes possible return as Everton manager.

Ken Kneale
252 Posted 12/12/2019 at 12:35:16
Jay - you beat me to it and far more eloquently. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum extends beyond avoiding relegation surely!
Matthew Williams
253 Posted 12/12/2019 at 12:41:02
If this happens then our club has made our intentions loud and clear...

Club going nowhere.

To the poster who gave Kieffer Moore a shout, it would indeed be a smart move, the lad is a fucking warrior for his country!

NO TO THE GINGER SNAKE.

Kevin Molloy
254 Posted 12/12/2019 at 13:13:41
Chris
taking off the blue specs, I think we should have let Leighton go. I think he will always wonder what might have been if we had, and at the time there is no question United were a step up from us. I think there was a part of Leighton that never forgave Martinez for blocking that move
John P McFarlane
255 Posted 12/12/2019 at 13:35:20
According to the Mail If the former Chelsea manager has been sacked and severed all ties with Napoli then approaches from the Emirates and Goodison Park will be largely painless. And, above all else, free.

But if the terms of Ancelotti's departure means he has effectively been placed on gardening leave, and thus remaining on Napoli's payroll, the prospect of a costly compensation package makes a move for the 60-year-old far more complex.

Given that Everton are possibly not in a position to spend even more money on paying out compensation to another club for yet another manager, the arrival of David Moyes may become even more likely than it did previously. if that's the case I would be trying to persuade Duncan Ferguson to at least become interim manager until the end of this season. There appears no other choice it's either the inexperienced Duncan or the less wanted but available Moyes. The arrival of Moyes will not be welcomed by a large proportion of the fan-base, at least Ferguson would be given the benefit of the doubt when or if results go against the team.

There are so few suitable candidates available, it's hard to see how the club might improve on the man currently occupying the dug-out. However, if Duncan truly doesn't want the job - It's looking like the return of Dour Davey!

Barry Rathbone
256 Posted 12/12/2019 at 14:06:14
I think Moyes "rescue" act is much overstated his first game in charge was of a team inclusive of battle hardened pros way above championship level but as a unit lacking the quality to challenge.

His appointment as an unknown from Preston tacitly acknowledged we needed to stop kidding ourselves and get back to basics. Unburdening the expectation of living up to Dixie, the holy trinity, Southall, Gray and Reid etc they comfortably dredged out points to ensure survival.

Add in the bonus ball of Rooney and his inheritance wasn't entirely the dross of myth.

In retrospect all he did was lower our sights for over a decade, here is his first pick for his debut game against Fulham

Goalkeeper: Steve Simonsen
Defender: Alessandro Pistone
Defender: David Weir
Defender: Alan Stubbs
Defender: David Unsworth
Defender: Tony Hibbert
Midfielder: Lee Carsley
Midfielder: Scot Gemmill
Midfielder: Thomas Gravesen
Striker: Tomasz Radzinski
Striker: Duncan Ferguson

Steve Ferns
257 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:19:32
Moyes is now up to 18%! What's going on ToffeeWeb?
Tim Locke
258 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:39:15
The best possible outcome of Moyes back is consistent top 6 finish, I am very doubtful that is going to happen but that is the best we can expect. Don’t expect a cup win, or to show any flair, expect to see a CB (if we have one) bought on around 75/80mins to hold onto a 1-0 lead and watch the team go deeper and deeper into defence.

I am annoyed the club failed to build on what Moyes left and if anything has gone backwards since he departed. I am annoyed at the way Moyes left, promising a new contract while talking to Man U. Most fans, me included, are thankful for what he did and the stability he brought to the club especially his defensive ability. But that is where is ends. Him coming back won’t be welcomed and will be seen by those inside and outside the club as a step backwards.

Old managers going back never work out. Not one manager has gone back back to a club and improved on their previous stint at the their club. That alone should be a warning for us not to go back.

I don’t think Dunc is the solution but he won’t let us go down. I would save your money Everton and keep your powder dry leave Dunc in charge for a while and sort out a decent replacement.

Mike Gaynes
259 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:45:59
Rahman #233, don't know if you saw my post in the other thread, but Arsenal isn't interested in Ancelotti according to Julien Laurens of ESPNFC. They are interviewing candidates, but he won't be one of them.
Gordon Adie
260 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:56:47
Steve Ferns, the number 1 Davy hater was also the number 1 Marco cheerleader.
Steve Ferns
261 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:16:21
I'm number 1 for hating Moyes? I think you'll find there's a great deal on TW and elsewhere ahead of me in the queue. And maybe I just want a manager who plays good football?
Robert Tressell
262 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:38:56
I was excited by Marco. Got Hull playing in adversity and even got Oumar back playing and scoring a few goals. Not to be. Hard to judge managers from other leagues. Feel a bit like we ended up with the portuguese Alex Neil rather than the new Mourinho. I wouldnt be happy with Moyes. Looks a spent force after being so out of his depth at Man Utd - and despite him being just what we needed 10+ years ago, things have moved on. Itd just be a bit sad.
Mick Davies
263 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:00:02
I had to stop reading the posts after a few started to make me feel ashamed to be a lifelong Evertonian, so I apologise if I'm repeating any other comments. The very notion that a serial failure, and one that insulted our club over the Baines and Fellaini episodes, and also negotiated his covert exit from this club, could be invited back, is an insult to our motto.

That B-rate actor has been conning his way to a fortune while WE take the daily ridicule from our neighbours, and if (and I sincerely hope he doesn't) Moyes comes back here, I am finished with the club I have loved for over 50 years.

There is only one man to blame for our humiliation, and if he was running any other club, he would have been kicked out by the fans years ago. While Liverpool win European trophies, we salivate at the 'honour' of an American actor walking onto our sacred turf: they challenge for the league title while we invest in a school; they employ Benitez and Klopp, and we appoint Allardyce and consider Moyes; they build a massive stand while we have to swallow the ground move spin for 30 years.

I'm getting to the end of my tether with Everton, and if that phoney relegation artist returns, that's it for me – Nil Satis Nisi Optimum... my arse.

Tony Abrahams
264 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:16:21
Exactly how I feel Mick, until I was informed it was Ed Woodward’s fault, and he should have listened to Moyes, when he said “don’t mess Everton around” Oh the irony, or should it not be ho,ho,ho, because if my ears might have deceived me, thank god I can still read!
Mike Gaynes
265 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:55:21
Yeah, Gordon #259, we all got that long ago. But thanks so much for your contribution to the debate.
Kieran Kinsella
266 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:59:17
Gordon 259

You ever met Tony Marsh?

Kieran Kinsella
267 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:03:44
Moyes is a bit like “Oh my God” Janice on Friends to Evertons Chandler. We are desperate to find another date but she’s always the back up.
Mike Gaynes
268 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:22:52
Well, this should charm the shit out of everybody.

Article posted on ESPNFC from Mark Ogden entitled Everton need a reality check: Moyes is the best they can get

https://www.espn.com/soccer/everton/story/4011408/everton-need-a-reality-check-Moyes-is-the-best-they-can-get

Highlights:

"Two weeks ago, as Marco Silva's reign as Everton manager lurched towards its inevitable ending, graffiti was daubed on the walls of Goodison Park. Sprayed in white on the blue-painted brickwork, it read: 'No Hughes, Moyes, Howe - SILVA OUT - F---Moyes.'

The views of one disgruntled supporter don't reflect the position of every Evertonian, but if radio phone-ins and message boards are a true gauge of the supporters' feelings, whoever used that spray can at Goodison certainly understood the sentiment running through the Everton fanbase right now."

And this:

"Moshiri and the fans may believe that Everton can attract an elite coach... but the painful reality is that they are currently only an appealing option to the likes of Moyes or Hughes -- out of work, old-school managers who will take on a difficult job simply to get themselves back in the game."

"Sources have told ESPN that Moyes is keen to return to Everton and that he has some support within the Goodison hierarchy. However, Moshiri and the club's director of football, Marcel Brands, have yet to be convinced by the prospect of turning to him, even on a short-term basis."

Paul Tran
269 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:32:52
I don't believe its necessary to 'hate' David Moyes in order to not want a manager who has lost his last four jobs to underperformance, who hasn't managed at all for a few years and whose record would have had him laughed out of contention had he not managed Everton before.

No need for hate, just rational logic.

And as for the ESPN guy .

Peter Neilson
270 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:32:54
Mick (262) that pretty much sums it up for me. Go through the Prem clubs and only Everton has the same chairman after a takeover. Bizarrely run club.
Daniel Thomas
271 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:37:07
I love it when people throw out the fact that Moyes won nothing during his time.

Next time I’m at Goodison, can someone show me the room with all the trophies we’ve won since he left. I’m excited. Will I have to walk through Stand 9 and three quarters.

Again. To be clear. I don’t want him back.

Now on to Sunday. Let’s get into them early.

James Hughes
272 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:44:44
Mike #267, thanks for cheery news and happy holidays to you too :)

Looks like a journo trying to fulfill his contractual obligations to the paper. (thousand words, kerching, relevant content minimum)


Jay Wood
[BRZ]

273 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:51:12
Mike @ 267.

I read the whole article. I found it pretty trite and shallow, TBH. A column filler.

Not wholly related to the subject of who is to be our next manager, but not totally unrelated either, I found this article interesting:

Championship 'bubble waiting to burst' with clubs posting record losses in Premier League 'gamble'

Some (thankfully very few) posters have suggested Everton could benefit from relegation as a means to rebuild and refocus away from the spotlight of PL.

The basic rationale is fundamentally flawed for me, but the article also highlights the dangerous game many Championship clubs are playing with their finances in the scrabble in an exceedingly competitive league to gain PL status.

To actually desire relegation from the PL and see it as a positive as some paint it is just perverse to me.

Dave Evans
274 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:57:32
Mick @ 262
Hope before you go you give your season ticket to a youngster on the waiting list.


I don't want Moyes but I'm getting fed up with the dramatic resignations on here.
Just go.

Tony Hill
275 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:00:55
Ogden is a Man United fan and a gobshite.
Paul Tran
276 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:03:49
Back at Burnley FC today and tomorrow. Three different staff members have told me not to take their manager!
Mike Gaynes
277 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:08:04
I don't much care for Ogden either, but he does generally have good sources and doesn't usually spout unfounded rumors.

I do take a bit of comfort from his take that Moshiri and Brands aren't persuaded -- it's always been my view that because they lacked any previous connection to Moyes, they would have no reason to want him. Still believe that's true.

Mike Gaynes
278 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:12:32
PT, just tell 'em he's a makeweight for the Aaron Lennon deal.
Paul Tran
279 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:15:13
Mike, he's a makeweight for the steam off my shite.
Phil Sammon
280 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:15:52
Paul Tran 275

You must look like the kidnapping type, Paul. You need to find a new hobby mate. You’re upsetting people.

Paul Tran
281 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:16:39
Just to be clear, Mike, Moyes would be the makeweight for the steam off my shite
Paul Tran
282 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:19:30
Phil, I'm a great believer in keeping people in fear of who I am and what I'm capable of.

Actually I'm just doing a regular job and Burnley FC happens to be the venue. I'm too nice to be that sinister, honestly!

Brian Williams
283 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:38:20
I've got a question for the collective:

Would our manager have to be someone you felt a connection with and could "love", a la Howard Kendall and Joe Royle, or would it be enough that he had us playing good football and competing at or towards the top?

Just something I was pondering with all this shite going on. I was wondering if I could get to the point of singing Ancelotti's name, or anyone else's in the frame to be honest.

Paul Tran
284 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:42:21
The latter for me, Brian. Kendall was a great manager first, Evertonian second. Royle was a good manager first, Evertonian second. I want a manager so good we get him, rather than one who just gets us.
Raymond Fox
285 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:49:55
We do get ourselves - the club I'm talking about- in a pickle don't we, it's one of the few things we are good at!

I think Duncan can do a good job for us, but it now seems he does not want to be our manager for long. Why, maybe he's seen first hand how our recent managers have struggled with the players available to them and come to the conclusion that the job is a poison chalice and he couldn't do a better job.

Of course, he might simply not want all the pressure that goes with the position.

Tim Nichols
286 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:05:56
Request for Manager – Not Moyes!

1. Sound tactically with the ability to change tactics depending on circumstances.
2. Ability to motivate ALL players.
3. Develops youth.
4. Passion and commitment for EFC
5. Understand and empathizes with the fans.
6. Develops players.
7. Good communicator.
8. Fluent in English
9. Aligns tactics based on playing resources.
10. Integrates new players into preferred systems.
11. Promotes leadership on the field.
12. Develops and promotes shared ambition.
13. Young, hungry & determined.
14. Ruthless but fair-minded.
15. Understands our history and becomes part of it.
16. Demonstrates continual improvement in all football aspects

Mike Gaynes
287 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:40:18
Yeah, Paul, thanks for the clarification -- I thought you were being pretty harsh on Dyche!!
Gordon Adie
288 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:48:31
No Kieran 265, not unless he worked down the mines. My apologies though, I wasn 't so much defending his record as reacting to everyone piling in to stick the boot in.
Paul Tran
289 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:56:12
Indeed Mike. Dyche is the modern, unexposed version of the British manager.
Michael Williams
290 Posted 12/12/2019 at 20:58:45
I first started watching Everton about ten years ago when Moyes was managing. My perception of the team then, watching from America, was that Everton were a plucky team that fought hard on the pitch with not much more quality from the players than many other teams. Same with the manager.

Moyes for me is a manger that was never a great thinker. He is guy who who maybe can get a team to play hard. His last four jobs have shown he is in over his head. Three of them absolute train wrecks.

Steve Ferns
291 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:07:12
Michael, to be fair to Moyes he was a great innovator. He used to take Everton to your neck of the woods, the USA. The would see the equipment the NFL teams had and find out what it was and how it could be used to help us.

He worked with a couple of Americans and Dave Billows (I think) to transform Everton fitness-wise. We had superior fitness, but often started seasons slow due to the heavy pre-season, and finished seasons strong as our fitness (and usually lack of Europe) told. We won many games where the opposition faded as they could not keep up with us. "War of attrition" some on here called it.

The thing is, everyone else caught up. Moyes is no longer ahead of the game on something, he's behind the rest. He's showing no signs of being what he used to be when he was younger, he's a poorer version of himself.

Kevin Molloy
292 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:28:18
All this slagging off Moyes, "He's not the man he was" etc, "We've moved on" etc. When he left five years ago on a budget of cock all, he left us arguably the best defensive set up in the league, plus Fellaini and Saha up front.

Four hundred million pounds later, we've got a backline of still Coleman (just) Keane Holgate and Digne with the clown at the back. And people turn up their nose at Moyes. Unbelievable.

Tony Abrahams
293 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:29:24
That wasn’t the case during the last season of Moyes, though Steve, because we started the season really well, we were around the champions lge positions, until the new year, but his squad was definitely short in numbers, and it looked like we were flogging dead horses, as the season wore on.

Our last away win came at Newcastle on the 3/4th of January, and we had that diabolical defeat at home to Wigan in the cup, but at least we beat City, the following week, which is possibly when Moysey knew he was going to pastures new, with a ringing endorsement from the man he now calls “Sir Alex”.

Moyes and ahead of the game is a new one on me though Steve, or it was until we beat Manchester City that day.

Steve Ferns
294 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:46:51
Tony, he was ahead of the game on fitness when he went all in on ProZone. Some criticised Silva as a laptop manager, when the irony is that this was Moyes and Allardyce. They went nuts for stats. Moyes' training was all about running. Others caught up, as they always do.

Remember Jagielka on day 1 of pre-season training for Martinez? He was amazed Martinez had a football, "we don't normally see one of them for at least a week" or words to that effect.

Tony Abrahams
295 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:53:20
Like I said Steve, Moysey was never ahead of the game!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

296 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:26:38
Kevin @ 290.

'Unbelievable' you say, 'all this slagging off Moyes?'

Many a poster has fully acknowledged the 'good' that Moyes did in his 11 years at Everton, but reasonably, rationally, balanced that against the poor, the manner of his leaving and the six intervening years since he was last Everton manager.

You, by contrast, have yet to put up any coherent reasons Moyes should return. Or rather, you have. On the morning of the Chelsea game, you made the following 'unbelievable' claims:

1) "We are in big big trouble. I know most people on here would prefer relegation..."

2) "if Moshiri doesn't in the next seven days appoint Moyes and leave all the transfers to him, we are going down."

You falsely projected YOUR negativity as the majority view, or YOUR regressive thinking as the only path to salvation.

Thankfully, the current TW poll is reflecting similar polls on other sites. Your view is very much the minority one, heavily outnumbered 4 to 1, 'unbelievable' as that may appear to you.

Phil Malone Jnr
297 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:30:04
Yes, please. Again, good old ToffeeWeb negativity. Moyes is the man.
Robert Tressell
298 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:47:00
It's not going to be Moyes. The appointment would be done already if it was. He's out of work, no-one else wants him – and you get the sense he's putting himself in the frame through Osman, Stubbs, TalkSport etc. It's just not going to be Moyes.
Anthony Murphy
299 Posted 12/12/2019 at 23:18:24
If Moyes doesn't get the job, can we all agree to move on once and for all from the subject?
Michael Williams
300 Posted 13/12/2019 at 14:21:30
Steve. I certainly won’t argue your point about Moyes improving fitness of the players. You would know far better than I. Now as you say that everyone has caught up in terms of fitness, I can’t see anything else that Moyes has to offer.
Like Moyes, Allardyce was able to get the players playing hard. There must be a dozen other coaches that can motivate players. To me that is the minimum qualification of being a premier league coach. Everything else a manager must do to be successful does not seem to be in Moyes’ locker. Reference the train wreck of a career he’s had since he’s left.
Steve Ferns
301 Posted 13/12/2019 at 14:23:41
Michael, he has nothing to offer. He's yesterday's man.
Tony Everan
302 Posted 13/12/2019 at 16:25:10
Who is he going to inspire ?

The fans ? The players ?

First time round he was on the up and captured the imagination of the fans and players. This time it's all different, he walked out on the club, has failed everywhere since to varying degrees.

Its no surprise more than 80% of us don't want him back and see it as a regressive move.

What would Moyes have done differently to Duncan last Saturday? Probably 4-5-1 with half the motivation resulting in a narrow defeat.

Ivan Varghese
303 Posted 13/12/2019 at 21:51:59
Good idea, Moyes would be good. Stabilize the team and get a international quality manager after this fiasco. Perhaps this time around, with finance and a good team of players, could make a difference.
Bill Gall
304 Posted 14/12/2019 at 04:11:49
Cant understand supporters wanting Moyes back because he steadied them in his last tenure, Wasn't he exposed to what a poor manager he was after he left with the clubs he went to. Has non of them learned from one of Evertons greatest managers H.Kendall that you may not be the same manager as when you left.

I can understand some of the top names not wanting to come, as most of them are on a high salary with established clubs, and the other options don't want the challenge of having to rebuild a struggling side.But to want to bring backa failed manager just because he had us in good positions in the league and cup, without winning anything just smacks of desperation and definitely ambition.

I now live in Canada but get back quite often, usually in September / October,but if they make Moyes manager I will be saving a lot of money by not going back to Liverpool.

Charles Barrow
305 Posted 14/12/2019 at 15:47:49
Trump. Johnson. Moyes. FFS
Alexander Murphy
306 Posted 17/12/2019 at 01:18:06
Sports Journalism School Day One:

"So folks, every now and again, email the following to your Sport Editor
"David Moyes eyes Goodison return..."

**classroom falls around laughing**

"Surely no-one is buying that shite, Prof"
"Keep it handy, you'll never be out of work slinging that crap on the back page !".

**classroom falls around laughing**

"Is this so easy Prof ? "
"TBH lads n lasses, they fuckin lap that one up, EVERY TIME!.

It has to be the BEST "go to" line we've ever made up.

If you can't get that in print then you're never passing module one...".

**classroom falls around laughing**

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