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Arteta under consideration as Everton mull their options

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Mikel Arteta is being discussed at boardroom level by Everton as a potential long-term successor to Marco Silva report the Liverpool Echo.

The Spaniard was a hero during his time with the Blues as a player before he moved on to Arsenal and, since gaining his Uefa coaching credentials, has been gaining experience as Pep Guardiola's assistant at Manchester City.

He was seriously considered by Arsenal before they appointed Unai Emery 18 months ago and was also a candidate to replace Rafael Benitez at Newcastle this past summer.

He elected to stay at City, however, and the word is that he has a gentlemen's agreement with Guardiola that he wouldn't leave mid-season but with both of his former Premier League clubs reportedly interested in hiring him, he may be presented with a decision to make.

Alternatively, if Duncan Ferguson is able to maintain a steady ship for the rest of the season, the conditions could be right for Arteta to possibly take over in the summer.



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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 14/12/2019 at 07:01:04
Arteta seems to be a nice guy. I’m sick and tired of nice guys. We need a big presence in the club. A huge personality who will drag the club up by the bootstraps, not some deep thinking, hands in pockets, head down, yes man.

This club needs a rocket up its backside not a mindfulness guru.

Derek Knox
2 Posted 14/12/2019 at 07:18:42
Colin @ 1, spot on there mate, but regardless of who we get in as Manager, it would be impossible for him to make changes beyond those to the playing staff, training methods and of course, results.

The Board needs to be re-organised, and that can only come form one source, and I doubt whether much will change in that area, unless...….. ?

Andrew Laird
3 Posted 14/12/2019 at 07:31:39
Discussed at boardroom level was it?, The echo reporter was disguised as a lampshade in the corner then, or they went old school and bugged the room?
Kenwright “what about Mikel?”
Brands “no”.
Tony Everan
4 Posted 14/12/2019 at 08:11:49
Mikel Arteta has some fantastic players at Manchester city Aguero, De Brunye, David Silva, Jesus, Fernandinho, Sterling. the list goes on. He has done well as Pep's assistant, but who wouldn't with that roll call and asissting the best manager in the modern game? I respect Mikel but his achievements need to be put into perspective.

Mikel may become a great manager but his a total rookie with regards doing it himself, from scratch, without galatico players, without the same finance and without the Pep magnetism for attracting players.

I agree with Colin #1 he hasn't the personality that would suit or could fire us up, hiring a rookie mid season would be a huge gamble. Sticking with Duncan at this stage is a safer bet than Mikel.

This type of appointment needs to be well thought out and properly procured. A full pre-season would be needed to give him a fighting chance.

Robert Tressell
5 Posted 14/12/2019 at 08:25:27
The problem is getting someone mid season. Saw a reported 'quote' (made up comment?) from Jardim saying v difficult to swap clubs mid season. As people are saying, probably too big an ask of Arteta to sort out what remains a bit of a mess as his first gig. Get the feeling Duncan's keep it simple approach is a better fit for the time being. Hope he can come through a few tough games without a fit midfield. We could potentially wait till the end of the season for a new manager. But we ckuld really do with fit midfielders whatever happens - cant see baningime, adeniran or markelo plugging the gaps.
Derek Knox
6 Posted 14/12/2019 at 08:38:37
Robert @ 5, very true and a bit similar for players too, as there are rarely bargains in the January Window, but the odd exception to the rule pops up every now and then.

All seems to have gone quiet across all Media sources regarding Ancelotti, considering he was allegedly in London yesterday to speak with Moshiri and possibly the Arsenal hierarchy.

Is it a case of 'no news is good news' or 'fake news' to begin with?

Like the Classic comedy film series it's a case of Carry on Duncan.

Steve Brown
7 Posted 14/12/2019 at 08:44:06
Arteta might be one for the future, but not for today. He needs to follow Lampard and take on a smaller club to gain experience.
Jimmy Hogan
8 Posted 14/12/2019 at 08:46:28
This is the second time in as many years that we have sacked a manager with no one in mind to replace him. It makes us look rudderless and clueless. No wonder no one wants the job. Well, except Moyes...
Ryan Holroyd
9 Posted 14/12/2019 at 08:56:20
He's definitely my choice out of all the potential candidates so far.
Steve Shave
10 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:01:20
I know that if we got Ancellotti it would represent somewhat of a coup but my heart (almost certainly over my head) tells me this could work. He is highly regarded and knows the club, I believe he would demand respect from the players and could have the big man as his No 2? Cahill to come into a coaching role maybe? This I recognise is not a widely popular view and does represent a risk (which means it almost certainly won't happen) but I believe it could work.
Robert Tressell
11 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:01:26
Mid season its really just a few who are unemployed (marcelino / kovac / Ancelloti), a few from china where the season is over (benitez, genesio), a few who may never get a better chance (howe / dyche) and a few has beens (Moyes / pardew). Arsenal are in the same boat - and have a better squad / prospects. Man utd / west ham both know they have the wrong manager but trying to avoid same problem of a mid season switch. We're not that rudderless - its just v hard position (which spurs got lucky with because Mourinho had earmarked thst job and helped get Poch sacked)
John Graham
12 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:16:00
Arteta with coaches Ferguson and Cahill would be my ideal management team.
I know they are three ex players and I wouldn’t want that through the club, but I feel they would all bring different aspects to the job, which when put together could be the magic formula.
Not many stand out candidates who would want to manage us in our position, would love Ancelotti but would he come here?
Let’s hope big Duncan can get a few wins for Christmas and then that would take the pressure off making a quick and possibly disastrous decision.
COYB
Dave Abrahams
13 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:31:19
John (12) Arteta hasn’t proved himself as a manager, Duncan did well in one game but also has to prove himself as a coach, Cahill hasn’t got his coaching badges yet, so that would be a massive gamble, mind you Kenwright would be over the moon and regale/ bore the balls off his audiences for years to come, if it transpired.
Dave Abrahams
14 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:31:19
John (12) Arteta hasn’t proved himself as a manager, Duncan did well in one game but also has to prove himself as a coach, Cahill hasn’t got his coaching badges yet, so that would be a massive gamble, mind you Kenwright would be over the moon and regale/ bore the balls off his audiences for years to come, if it transpired.
Martin Mason
15 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:36:17
Arteta has been an assistant manager under a hugely successful head coach with a squad of the best players in the world. That is as far removed from the needs of Everton as you can get. The problem is that he may be perfect and whoever we take could be a disaster from day one. My own feeling is that DF should be allowed a good run of matches just to see how he goes. He may just prove to be a master stroke
Hugh Jenkins
16 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:44:14
It would be a huge risk. Arteta is unproven in the role. He has been Pep's assistant - but we have no idea what that has entailed and heat input, if any, he has had at MC?

Duncan was a huge risk - that was forced upon us and, thus far, it has worked OK - but - as I said that was forced not a matter of choice.

My inclination is to let Duncan continue for then next couple of games and see where that takes us - he certainly introduced the "feel good factor" against Chelsea and I don't know if Arteta is capable of doing the same?

Martin Mason
17 Posted 14/12/2019 at 09:53:13
It's a real problem for the club, how can they have any certainty that whoever they give the job to can meet the requirements of EFC at the moment. What a gamble whoever it is apart from the likes of Moyes. Better take £10MM down to Brighton beach and throw it into the Solent than take him on.
Kunal Desai
18 Posted 14/12/2019 at 10:02:34
Rather than making any rushed appointment. May be wiser to give Ferguson the role of caretaker until end of the season when a better pool of candidates are available. If we can get a few loans in January that will hopefully see us finish mid table. Get to that 36 point mark as soon as possible.
Tony Waring
19 Posted 14/12/2019 at 10:03:37
What about Marco Rose from Borussia Monchen Gladbach and late of RB Salzburg where he did a pretty good job ??
Dave Lynch
20 Posted 14/12/2019 at 10:14:36
No one is going to leave a club mid season, especially one that has a chance of success or is playing in Europe to come and manage a car crash of a club.

Let's get real here, our options are very limited to out of work failures or out of work failures.

Dave Williams
21 Posted 14/12/2019 at 10:21:00
Arteta is highly intelligent and has learned from the very best coaching under Wenger and Pep. I’d far sooner him than a sixty year old who may not have the same drive and ambition as he once did.
He has always been my first choice even last time before Silva but if Duncan wins tomorrow and then next week the problems increase albeit in a good way because who would want to stop that particular juggernaut gathering pace?
Alan J Thompson
22 Posted 14/12/2019 at 10:23:05
Colin(#1); There's an old expression; "Speak softly but carry a big stick".

We're talking about a team manager/coach not someone to reshape the Board. My worry would be who his backroom assistants would be if he started this coming week and if they could get across that which he sees as the necessary on-field tactics before planning for next year.

Robert Tressell
23 Posted 14/12/2019 at 10:41:17
Whether he stays at monchengladbach or not, marco rose will be managing a champions league side next season. Even if we do the permanent appointment in summer (which I doubt) we will be behind bayern, man utd and maybe arsenal and napoli for top managers. Rose is probably now in that category along with ten hag, allegri and a few others.
Steve Ferns
24 Posted 14/12/2019 at 11:14:07
Why do people always paint the picture of Arteta as some nice but weak guy. He’s a basque. Yes he smiles and is a handsome guy, but he always had a petulant streak as a player. He is not someone to suffer fools and he’s not weak.

Basque’s are similar to scousers. This is the area of Spain where ETA are based and tried their campaign to remove the region from Spain and gain independence. The rest of Spain looks at them like England looks at scousers. As a result they are tough, determined people. Arteta was never a big joker. He is an intense individual.

As for being a coach as a top side, working with those players is harder. If he was coaching at Tranmere Rovers then players would be in awe and do whatever he says. City players will have no awe for him. Nearly all of them have won far more than he won as a player. Arteta wouldn’t get into city’s best XI. He’s had to earn respect as a coach.

“I will have everyone 120 per cent committed. That’s the first thing. If not, you don’t play for me.

“When it’s time to work it’s time to work, and when it’s time to have fun then I’m the first one to do it, but that commitment is vital.”

Gabriel Jesus said of Arteta in today’s Daily Mail:

'He's helped a lot of players. When I want to do finishing after training, I tell him and he comes and helps me,' the Brazilian said.

'So he is really fantastic for us. All the players know that — everyone knows that in the club. He is a fantastic guy and fantastic manager.

'I don't honestly know what he thinks about his career, that is for him. I hope he can find his way and I hope he can be happy.'

Arteta himself has previously talked about his own approach as follows:
“My philosophy will be clear, I want the football to be expressive, entertaining. I cannot have a concept of football where everything is based on the opposition.

“We have to dictate the game, we have to be the ones taking the initiative, and we have to entertain the people coming to watch us. I’m 100 per cent convinced of those things, and I think I could do it.”

“You can have an idea of a system, but you need to be able to transform it depending on the players you have – how much pace you have up front, how technical your team is, what types of risk you can take and whether your players are ready to take those risks.

“It’s important to analyse your players because you can’t always play the same way. There have to be different details and changes in how you approach things, and you have to look at how you can hurt whoever you are playing against. Is there something they don’t like to do? If so, we’re going to make them do plenty of it.

“Then the most important thing for the manager is that, the Friday before the game, you imagine what’s going to happen on the Saturday.

“And if what happens on Saturday is not what I had planned, then it’s not been good enough from me.”

I think Arteta is going to be a very good manager. He needs the right club at the right time. That’s not arsenal as they need results fast. If we beat Man Utd and we get clear of the relegation zone then the pressure would be off for us and he’d have time. He’d also unify the crowd more than any other manager, bar Duncan. He’s been more integral to the management system at city than Duncan has to ours so I think he has more experience.

It’s a gamble, a big gamble. But he ain’t too nice or too soft. And he will be a good manager.

James Marshall
25 Posted 14/12/2019 at 11:23:34
Guardiola has said Arteta won't be going anywhere hasn't he? Also now some mention of Guardiola himself being off at the end of the season so surely Arteta will take the City job, non? I could be way off here.

The Everton job, to my mind, is not an attractive one to a man new to management - Arteta would still be a novice, and that's a huge risk for Everton and for Arteta himself.

My money, and my preference, is for Ancelotti. I don't think I really need to say why, since his standing in the game speaks for itself. Yes, I know it's been a while since he's won anything, and his last 2 jobs didn't go brilliantly, but Everton might be a good challenge for him and we really need an experienced, proven manager in my view.

Mark Dunford
26 Posted 14/12/2019 at 11:25:26
We're in a better position than 10 days ago. Arteta should be given serious consideration but he'd need support from Brands and Ferguson. This could be a really good combination. He does, after all, know the club. I thought he was a leader on the pitch and certainly not a nice guy pushover. Ancelotti would ask for greater authority over everything and may be a short term option; this would create different problems. New structure is really needed by the opening of transfer window, but if results are positive and performances build on the huge improvement already shown last week then I'd have no problems with Ferguson. In any event, he will have more than earned the right to be an ongoing part of whatever set up is put in place. Better the devil you know.
Steve Ferns
27 Posted 14/12/2019 at 11:30:37
James, I think Guardiola is just throwing a bit of a tantrum and might be playing games with his players trying to motivate them as they don’t seem able to be “switched on” as much this season as for the last two. I think City will get it together, but the league is already lost. I think City will probably win the Champions League.

The question is what would Guardiola do then? Probably he’d walk away. He’ll have achieved his aim. If he comes up Just short then I’d expect him to stick around.

The guy is only 48. Where does he go after city? Perhaps Italy. That’s the only one of the big five leagues where it’ll be of interest. Unless he goes to France and takes on PSG. but can’t see that. Maybe he will go to the MLS with city’s team there and lead the charge in growing the game there. He seems to like the USA spending his year off there. another year off is very likely too. I can’t see him as a 60 year old manager, but he is a football man through and through. Maybe Barcelona might appeal to him again. Who knows?

Arteta seems well placed to get the city job and would be mad to walk away from it. But if Guardiola has another two years left, then why not learn his trade at Everton for two years first?

James Marshall
28 Posted 14/12/2019 at 11:39:21
I'm not convinced the Everton job is a place for anyone to be learning their trade, Steve. I do see your point, I just don't think the Everton job is that place right now.

Do we want an apprentice at the helm? Surely the more sensible route for a manager is a Championship club first, ala Lampard and dare I say it, Bielsa (at least in this country).

Ancelotti is still my preferred option over Arteta.

Jerome Shields
29 Posted 14/12/2019 at 12:10:46
I think we can going to get a lot of names bandied about in the press, but only the Board knows where they are coming from hopefully. Also, hopefully they have suitable candidates who actually want to Manager Everton for them, on a reasonable contract.

This is the biggest barrier to getting a Manager for Everton.

Paul Hewitt
30 Posted 14/12/2019 at 12:28:08
Brian Kidd, Steve Mclaren, were excellent coaches next to Alex Ferguson. But didn't turn out such good managers. So Arteta is s big NO from me.
Tony Twist
31 Posted 14/12/2019 at 12:34:30
Hmmmm, he always comes across as being more keen on Arsenal. So no thank you very much. Not a legend to me.
Paul Tran
32 Posted 14/12/2019 at 13:03:14
He'd be my first choice.
Mick Davies
33 Posted 14/12/2019 at 14:04:22
Anyone who thinks Arteta is a soft choice, just go take a look at his red card for elbowing his fellow Spaniard Fabregas at Arsenal.
Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 14/12/2019 at 14:55:35
James #28, I'm with you. I just don't think Everton is a job for a rookie right now, and for all his experience as a #2, Arteta would be a raw rookie as a manager.

Incidentally, Marca (Spain) reported last night that Everton not only approached Unai Emery but actually offered him the job. Emery turned it down, as well as two offers from China, because he felt it was too soon to return to the Prem, and he's waiting for a club where he can win trophies. That would imply Spain.

Looks like the key to bagging big-name managers like Emery and Poch is to make the job look more attractive than it is now. And not just financially.

Drew O'Neall
35 Posted 14/12/2019 at 15:33:38
City’s season is over so he should at least be free to leave.
Jay Harris
36 Posted 14/12/2019 at 15:35:40
I think it's a disgrace that we are perceived as a "Watford" right now and that reflects on a basket-case board that seem to stagger from one indecision to the next.

Wake up, Moshiri, and take some decisive action with particular regard to the Kenwright syndrome that is rife throughout the club.

Sell the dream to Ancellotti and give him free rein. He is available, highly capable and a proven winner with experience of the Premier League. We should be going balls out for him.

Why are we even considering Arteta? He has done slightly more than Duncan for less time sitting on the bench with the manager. Okay, you learn from Guardiola but you do not learn about organizing and motivating lesser players or different tactics. Pep plays the Pep way and has the players to achieve it. Could you honestly see Pep working out at our club right now?

Jim Bennings
37 Posted 14/12/2019 at 15:47:22
On paper it’s easy to see Ancellotti and quickly decide that he’s the right man, a winner, a CV with endless success.

However, Ancellotti normally manages teams that are at that top of the league, he normally joins teams that are at the top of the league too.

My biggest concern about Ancellotti is whether or not he would be a similar “can’t be arsed” personality as Ronald Koeman.?

Would he see Everton as another quick stepping stone to a European elite club in two years time?

Or would he be sold the dream of the new stadium in four or five years time as the man tasked with getting the club in that Champions League?

It’s impossible to tell from an outsiders point of view what the man is thinking about it.

We know with Duncan until the end of the season the fans would buy into it, the players wouldn’t be allowed to slack off with half arsed displays and the fans would be patient.

Likewise I think with Arteta, most would be patient and tolerant and open minded about this move.

Koeman, Allardyce and Silva very quickly lost the fans and the environment sadly became too toxic to carry on working in.

That’s why I guess this next move the board makes is such a crucial one.

John Pierce
38 Posted 14/12/2019 at 16:10:32
I love the fact people think Arteta’s lack of managerial experience would be an impediment.

The last four failures we’ve had had significant experience in football both as players and managers. It did them no good. It got us 8th, 8th, 7th and 11th.

Of all the things to reject him for his experience is not one of them. He has worked with players better than any of the last 4 duds we had.

Ancelotti v Mikel. I’d deffo go for the LEGO head.

If he goes and proves himself somewhere it will be too late because he won’t be going to Everton.

City are spluttering, he’s a better fit than Ancelotti for sure. He’s modern, and has a favorable connection with the club which will buy him some extra time. It’s a good logical choice.

Paul Tran
39 Posted 14/12/2019 at 16:17:15
Yes John, our last, experienced manager was lauded by Troy Deeney. Arteta is lauded by the top players at City for improving their game. He would also fit in with the DoF set up.

I'd be happy with Ancelotti, but I'm suspicious that he's the classic rich owner past his best managerial signing.

I'd say Arteta could be a good present and future.

Jon Withey
40 Posted 14/12/2019 at 16:35:13
The football manager job is an absolute one-off – what other trade would you consider hiring somebody so unproven and trust them with so much?

Perhaps Arteta will prove to be a wonderful manager but can we really afford to take that risk right now?

It should be about more than one man though, we need a decent coaching set-up from back to front.

Ancelloti with Clements would be a solid set-up – frankly, anything that would steady the ship right now.

Shaun Laycock
41 Posted 14/12/2019 at 16:37:27
Like the idea of an Arteta/Dunc combo...silk and steel.
Mike Gaynes
42 Posted 14/12/2019 at 16:50:22
Jay #36, just how would you propose to "sell the dream to Ancelotti"?

That would have to be one hell of a sales pitch.

Martin Mason
43 Posted 14/12/2019 at 16:50:49
Just read an article on how the City players absolutely rate and love Arteta. He sounds like the one.
John Pierce
44 Posted 14/12/2019 at 17:00:58
Mike, Chips and rice, h/h and curry sauce. Job done. Carlo in the bag.
Joe McMahon
45 Posted 14/12/2019 at 17:10:03
Mike @42 if Carlo likes Sunday night costume dramas he may feel that Goodison has a old school days feel about it? Let's face it he won't have experienced a stadium like it for decades. Just don't show him the toilets!
Bill Gall
46 Posted 14/12/2019 at 17:18:44
What options?
Andrew Dempsey
47 Posted 14/12/2019 at 17:20:10
The manager is in many ways irrelevant. and also vital at the same time.

It's about belief, and engaging the Goodison crowd, the power of this can make us win, at least all our home games, which is a great start to getting back in the big time.

Quite simply, we must learn the lessons of History and appoint an ex-Everton player as our manager, with Big Dunc as his assistant. I'm not naive enough to believe that History always repeats itself, it's more complex that that. But the thing is, the opportunity for History to at least attempt to repeat itself is always there.

And crucially, Evertonians believe this is the way to success (whether it's ‘true' or not it doesn't matter) and we will get behind Arteta and Big Dunc more than any other possible appointment out there currently.

There is no magic outside solution to the situation we're in. No tactician or man-manager our there who can save us. It's up to us. We're starting from scratch here.

It's not like when Wenger went to Arsenal with all his innovative ideas. He had a title-winning defence and a world-class goalkeeper already in place, already built.

Whoever the guy is we appoint, if it's not Arteta, he'll take time to build his way of doing things and we'll mistrust him instantly (not saying this is okay, but it WILL happen), and the connection between team and fans degrades and we lose our power.

I think people misunderstand those of us calling for an ex-Everton player as manager: it's not out of desperate sentimentality, it's out of a practical analysis of how we could be most effective and win more games at this exact current moment in time.

Steve Shave
48 Posted 14/12/2019 at 17:29:34
Glad to see so many endorsing this.
Bobby Mallon
49 Posted 14/12/2019 at 17:40:36
Dave Abrahams, what experience did Pep have? Barcelona B team to first team. Gerard from doing his badges to the biggest club in Scotland (IMO). You don't need to go and do your trade somewhere else; if you're a good coach, you're a good coach, end of.

It's like people saying young players should be loaned out. I don't believe that either. If they are good enough, get them playing. Rashford would have been lost to Championship obscurity by now.

Christy Ring
50 Posted 14/12/2019 at 17:47:36
Arteta would be my choice, he's worked under Pep and Wenger, and he's ready for the no.1 position. He's well got at City, and as Steve said in an earlier comment, been from the Basque region, he's definitely no soft touch, and with Dunc/Tim beside him, plenty of passion. He's on Arsenal's radar as well, they can see the potential, being an ex Evertonian, is a bonus, it's not sentimental, he could be a revelation.
Bill Gall
51 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:09:02
The sad thing about all of this is we have numerous comments from ToffeeWebers of who they believe should be the new manager, yet we have not heard one word from the Everton board.

Something has got to happen pretty quick as, before, a couple of wins would move you quickly up the table; now, it is starting to get a little more difficult.

Paul Hewitt
52 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:09:42
If we are going to give it to a novice, give it too Dunc. Arteta seems too quiet for me.
Terry White
53 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:22:44
Bill (#51), if you really think our Board, or any Board in this situation, would come out in public and express their views, opinions and preferences, I think it is "sad" that you are so delusional.

Easy for all on TW to express any kind of view and tout newspaper articles as if they are gospel.

Brian Wilkinson
54 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:28:51
Being a great number two alongside a top class Manager and top class players, does not guarentee he will be a top class Manager.

You only have to look at the league champions team Colin Harvey inherited and Brian Kidd under Ferguson.

He could turn out to be a top class Manager, but for me could be a risk.

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:29:37
Bill #51, I think it's great that we haven't heard anything from the board. If they're doing one thing right, it's keeping their deliberations and offers out of the public eye. The offers to Pochettino and Emery didn't go public until long after the fact, and that's how business should be done.

JP #44, not if he feels about rice and curry the way I do.

Brian Wilkinson
56 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:30:25
In regards to above, I am referring to Brian Kidd never going in as a successful Manager.
Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:30:27
Agree that it’s easy to express any kind of view, but can’t agree with “the gospel” though Terry!
Julian Exshaw
58 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:38:12
The Bill Kenwright in me (that sounds a bit odd but I'll continue) would love a triumvirate of Arteta, Ferguson and Cahill with Arteta as manager. I can't see it happening though.

My main reservation about Ancelotti, as many have mentioned, is that fact that he has always gone to the clubs with money, Champions League types. Is he another Koeman? Is he an 'Everton' man? Does it have to be an 'Everton' man anyway?

One thing is worryingly clear, however: the Board either has no idea or cannot agree. A defeat against Man Utd tomorrow may prompt a speedy appointment but it's all taking so long. My hope is that Big Dunc keeps winning, keeps charging down touchlines with fists pumping, and he can embrace whoever he likes. That'll do for me while our board sleeps.

Bill Gall
59 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:41:53
Terry, I am not delusional. My comment was meant to express that all of the comments from other sources do not mean a thing as no-one at Everton has issued any comments apart from they are looking for a manager.

Discussing who is the best fit, among supporters, not knowing their situations, is just something to write about as none of us are aware of the procedure and negotiations to hire a manager and who is actually available.

Martin Mason
60 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:45:28
Bill, an information vacuum is always filled with gossip. People are just expressing their opinion that's all. Mine is to go for Arteta very quickly. An amazing opportunity for us and him, a massive risk for both too but surely no Evertonian could want a has been Italian like Ancelotti or a never been like Moyes?
Conor McCourt
61 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:57:28
Arteta is my number one choice as stated on numerous threads. The surprise to me though is the clamour for Cahill who I don't think should be in the discussion.

Arteta is a smart and calculating guy who will know what he wants from his staff. I would hope he would be looking at Carsley who will bring a more defensive approach and has great experience within the England set up. Hopefully Ferguson will be included for his passion and know how of previous mistakes. I want a slick managerial team not a mates club.

Barry Rathbone
62 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:59:09
Estoy tratando aprender espanol. Es bien conmigo.
Steve Shave
63 Posted 14/12/2019 at 18:59:57
Can you imagine how the crowd would get behind him if he did get appointed.
Colin Glassar
64 Posted 14/12/2019 at 19:10:32
What’s Arteta got to to do with ETA and the struggle for Basque independence? That’s like saying Liam Brady was great cos he was taught by the IRA how to pass the ball unseen. Makes no sense.

Mikel could become a great manager in his own right or he could become another McLaren, Brown, Shakespeare etc... Good asst. managers but crap as managers. Are we willing to take the (another) risk?

Raymond Fox
65 Posted 14/12/2019 at 19:19:03
Arteta may become a good manager, but he would be under too much pressure here at this time.

We badly need points to get away from the bottom three for starters, on top of that we need stability after sacking the last four managers.

Not a place to learn how to be a manager!
No, we want someone that has proved he can hack it, and over a decent period of time.

That chap in China fits the bill if we could get him; Ancelotti also… but I don't think he will fancy us.

Brian Williams
66 Posted 14/12/2019 at 19:32:00
Conor #61.

It looks very much like a "mate's club" is exactly what you've asked for!

Kevin Molloy
67 Posted 14/12/2019 at 19:38:12
We would be totally crazy to entrust our relegation dogfight to a novice with no managerial experience. The pressure would be intense, and no doubt all his advisers will be saying, 'Don't touch the Everton job with a barge pole'.

Why? Cos we are just about in the relegation zone going into the New Year, have a crap squad, and no money. It's not a good combination. He'd be much better advised waiting for a stable club to hove into view sometime in the next year, he may even get the Arsenal job.

Bill Gienapp
68 Posted 14/12/2019 at 19:43:22
I've really come around on Arteta. It would be a gamble, but he seems to have that certain something about him that most great managers seem to have. Just a gut feeling.

If we can land someone of Ancelotti's ilk, well done... but chasing the A-listers has proven largely fruitless thus far. Our best bet is to roll the dice and hope we strike gold. Some might argue now is not the time to be rolling the dice, but it's that kind of thinking that keeps getting us linked to Moyes.

Dave Abrahams
69 Posted 14/12/2019 at 19:46:39
Bobby Mallon (49) Guardiola spent the majority of his football playing career with Barcelona, a great player, who came back to manage a great team, kept them playing as a great team, maybe even better, he knew the club inside out and most of the players he took over.

Steven Gerrard is doing very well at Rangers and might turn out to be a great manager, if he wins the double in Scotland for the next three years he would still have something to prove to manage a premier league team.

Everton are in a mess and I doubt Arteta would improve the team over all, we would be certainly taking a risk putting him in charge.

You don’t believe in the loan system, fair enough, it works for some including Osman and Colman with us, Maddison with Norwich now with Leicester City, but not for others, might depend on the players character.

Trevor Peers
70 Posted 14/12/2019 at 19:51:01
Arteta would represent another huge gamble, if he is being seriously considered. He's never managed at any level. Why doesn't he prove himself in the Championship first and learn his trade before jumping in at the deep end? It would be madness.


Lampard and Gerrard are the obvious examples of the route into Premier League management; no-one has any idea how Arteta might do as things stand. We just can't take the risk any more and may as well stick with Ferguson for now, see how he goes, hope he succeeds and meanwhile take our time looking for a serious experienced contender.

Steve Shave
71 Posted 14/12/2019 at 20:29:06
Oh come on Kevin (67) that is very pessimistic, who says we don't have any money and a crap squad? Got to call you out on that comment. We have some very good players: some are performing, some not; what they need is galvanising into a unit.

The squad is way more balanced than it was under Koeman et al. I understand there might be some telling him not to touch it with a barge pole but this guy is a modern-day Everton legend, his first job in football at a club like ours, stadium plans, his history with the club and the fans. I think he'd find it hard to turn down.

Peter Mills
72 Posted 14/12/2019 at 20:44:52
Why not think a little differently?

We spend inordinate amounts of money on nondescript players, outlaying a chunk of capital plus salary costs of around £5m per annum each.

For far less, we could employ Ancelotti, Arteta, Cahill and Ferguson.

Carlo as the wise old head who has seen more in football than just about anyone else. Someone can work on the full job description, just get him.

Arteta as the first team manager/coach.

Cahill and Ferguson as his assistants. When Cahill has his badges he moves to Arteta’s No 2. Ferguson moves elsewhere to gain managerial experience.

We employ a giant of the game, 3 smart Evertonians and build in succession planning.
Create a dynasty while we move into a new home.

5 year plan done.

Bill Gall
73 Posted 14/12/2019 at 20:57:01
Mike #55,

I agree on your comments about the board keeping their deliberations and offers out of the public eye, but it makes you wonder how the story about Arteta is in the Red Echo.

You can't phone up people who are under contract to other clubs to ask them if they would like to manage Everton; that is how we ended up in the row with Watford over Silva.

The managers we knew that were out of work, were Pochettino (who is supposed to have refused) and Emery (who turned us down). Ancelloti was supposed to have been fired so Everton can approach him if they want him but, reading the reports, I would not be surprised if his previous club put him on gardening leave to get compensation from anyone who wishes to hire him.

Other managers' names that have come up, like Dyche and Howe, we would have to get permission from the chairman of their clubs to even talk to them. So it is nice to talk about who we would like to see become manager, but is going to take time to get one unless, like Tottenham, you had someone lined up before you fired your manager. We did not have anyone lined up when Silva was fired. We have to hope that Duncan Ferguson can keep the results and players attitude going for a while longer... how long is anyone's guess.

Anyone but Moyes, a failed manager since he left, and as an example, one of our greatest managers, Howard Kendall, showed when he came back that he may not be the same manager who left.

Derek Knox
74 Posted 14/12/2019 at 21:11:28
Ah Meester Meells you have a cunning plan! A very good one at that too, like you say it would be chicken feed with the amount of Wonga that currently gets wasted and I dare not think what has been flushed away in the past.

The only thing is would they employ all three (we have one already) and more importantly would they come, and could they all work together in harmony?

Len Hawkins
75 Posted 14/12/2019 at 21:14:23
If Gladbach win this weekend, they are back in top spot of the Bundesliga, they beat Bayern Munich last weekend so I don't think the pull of Everton would be given much thought.
Paul Birmingham
76 Posted 14/12/2019 at 21:38:18
With all due respect, and as much as I loved the “Best Little Spaniard, we know” as an Everton player, right now the club can’t afford to have any more failure. I want Arteta to succeed in his career, but EFC, at this moment in time can’t take any high risks, and so for me, now, is not the time for Mikel to return to EFC, as the manager.

At the attrition rate of managers the club is having the last 6 years, the next boss, must have the nous, experience and proven track record, to change the course and playing standards at the club.

I don’t see an easy fit, and easy solution, and for me the better fit, is a street fighter, and knowing all the football shit tricks, Everton needs a Diego Simoene, or a type of manager in his mould.

Jardim also for me would be a good fit.

Right now the club is at a massive stepping stone and success on the pitch is a must.

It’s a massive task, but not impossible, but the momentum of BMD, and taking the opportunity to make a sleeping giant, good, then great again, must have some candidates, off shore whom, will relish the task. I sense UK based managers, will see EFC, managers job, as a high risk on their CVs.

I’d love to have Siimeone., or Jardim, as I believe they will get the club.

Ancelotti, was a rare breed in football, top class player, and even better manager, but for Everton, here and now, I'm not sure, he’s gonna be up to the stresses of taking on a club, whose trophy less for nigh on 25 years.

But he could do it..

Lets take last weeks momentum, to Old Trafford and turn back, the clock, to days gone by, when we used to get good results there and beat, United very regularly.

It can be done.

Conor McCourt
77 Posted 14/12/2019 at 21:53:52
Brian Williams 66- I don't believe I've asked for a mates club, I genuinely see those as the best candidates for the job.

Arteta is a coach who is credited with improving players out of recognition. I believe he would marry the modern dynamic coach we've been striving for with the understanding of the club culture and Goodison factor that recent incumbents have been missing.

Carsley's credentials are obvious for any number 2 role and he specialises in off the ball work which would perfectly compliment the high-intensity football Arteta would surely bring if appointed.

Ferguson has the most coaching experience at Everton which would be invaluable in identifying previous mistakes.

I would like to address a few of the opposition views:

1) Arteta would be a risk; yes, he would but no more than other candidates. Ancelotti would be the most widely accepted appointment yet he has just badly underperformed with his last 2 roles. Has he lost his hunger? We don't know that Arteta will bring success but we do know others will bring failure.

2) Arteta is not the man for a dogfight; I don't believe we are in a relegation battle regardless. So far we had a disastrous summer where the core of last years squad was broken up, where new players haven't acclimatised, then a terrible injury run, stubborn reliance on an unworkable system, underperforming players, unbelievable VAR decisions and a slice of bad luck to boot yet we are still two points clear of danger with a game in hand. I believe the club will correct their mistakes in January and I have no fear of relegation regardless of who is in charge and hope the club don't get sucked into this annual relegation scaremongering talk.

3) Arteta can't be learning on the job; does anyone really think that Lampard is vastly different from last year? No, he made mistakes then and he is making mistakes now and is learning all the time. Arteta has the respect of some of the world's best players and he will be making his own mistakes now and for the next twenty or so years.

I think we have nothing to lose, we have tried the success with lower teams route, we can't get the likes of Pochettino so it's time to be brave with the most credible Number Two in the business.

Si Cooper
78 Posted 14/12/2019 at 22:00:24
Paul, nobody – not even your hard-nosed bastards – comes with any kind of guarantee. The most consistent deliverers (discounting those who are routinely capable of bringing in top players) are the grim shut up shop and grind out results merchants who would simply mean we were retreating to the stability of mid-table mediocrity and waiting a few more years before the next attempt to climb up into the elite level.

To me, managerial appointments are just a lottery and we may as well go for an untested novice as the tier 2 big dreamers that we have been gambling on.

Robert Tressell
79 Posted 14/12/2019 at 22:36:18
We can risk appointing Arteta in summer but not now. If we appoint him now and he's terrible then we could go down. If we appoint him summer 2020 and he's terrible then we can sack him after 6 months and appoint a steady eddie to steer us to safety.
Alan J Thompson
80 Posted 15/12/2019 at 03:46:31
So, if we bring in Arteta, one of the positives would be that he understands the "club culture".

Is that the same culture that we presently want changing, starting in the Boardroom?

Colin Glassar
81 Posted 15/12/2019 at 11:14:23
Exactly, Alan. We don’t need another low-energy, follow the party line manager. We need a high-energy, my way or the highway, manager who will tell Waldorf and Statler keep well out of the fucking way or else!

Everton need a revolution. Someone who will come in and shake the club up from top to bottom. A clueless board of incompetents, a scatter gun approach to signings, lazy, lacklustre players, an acceptance of mediocrity etc...

Nothing against Mikel but I don’t think he’s that type of guy. He’ll get swallowed up by BK’s nostalgic bullsht and Moshiri’s doey-eyed enthralment to his Svengali chairman.

Is there a manager out there who can carry out this revolution? Yes. Will the fools who run the club allow this? Definitely not!

Mike Allison
82 Posted 15/12/2019 at 12:02:10
Lots of ‘what we need is...’ followed by an abstract quality that Silva and Koeman are deemed to have lacked. Not the way to go. What we need is a manager who will motivate our highly talented squad to actually win football matches. The details of how aren’t relevant and searching for particular qualities because we want to swing away from previous failures won’t get us anywhere. Or if it does, it’ll get us to a manager who lacks some other vital quality.

I want someone who wants the job. Advertise it, take applications, interview the 3-5 best candidates about their plans and appoint the best one. Don’t ‘go and get’ someone who doesn’t particularly want it but can’t say no to the money and will start looking for their next career move when it goes wrong.

Conor McCourt
83 Posted 15/12/2019 at 12:21:13
Alan 80-I perhaps should have said club ethos. Understanding what the fans want and what the Everton shirt means and how to use the Goodison factor. Arteta was a master at this as a player.

Colin 81- great speech but tells us nothing

Paul Tran
84 Posted 15/12/2019 at 12:44:16
Firestarter, not a firefighter.
Alan J Thompson
85 Posted 15/12/2019 at 12:49:19
Understood, Conor, nothing personal but unlike Colin, I don't think it is the Manager's job to sort out the Board. If he has a problem with them then he should explain that to Mr Brands to onpass his thoughts at the next Board meeting or for Mr Brands to explain the Board's feelings to the Manager whose main aim is to improve on-field performances. Is there really anybody out there who wouldn't see things that way and by out there I mean not presently with our club.
Bob Parrington
86 Posted 16/12/2019 at 03:50:41
Bill Gall @ 59 don't be overly concerned with the "disillusioned" comment. There is a case for what you were implying. The club must have a person in charge of PR and the board members and management should be aware of the concern of the "public ie supporters" with yet another change whilst in a precarious league position.

It would be unexpected that they would come out with a comment from the board that they are running around like headless chucks trying to find a "body" to accept the unpopular job role. However, perhaps it would not be out of order for the club to issue a calm, understanding PR statement that the club is reviewing the management contenders and is targeting "X" date to make the appointment.

Chris Mason
87 Posted 16/12/2019 at 07:30:46
Maybe more pertinent here is the reality that managers talk to each other and would be well versed in the internal politics / divisions at the club.

We’re in a position where we are desperately trying to hit the jackpot by finding our own version of Klopp, which isn’t Ferguson btw, among a group of potential managers who based on recent experience can’t expect more than 6 months grace before they either get booted or slandered. Or both. And yes it is a well remunerated job, but that’s because it’s a ridiculously demanding job.

‘Only the best is good enough’

It’s become a curse as much as an inspirational motto - because I don’t think anyone involved in the club knows what it implies about delivery.

Happy Monday fellow Bluenoses

Christopher Timmins
88 Posted 16/12/2019 at 08:00:55
The reality at 7.57 on a cold Monday morning is that very few if any of the top coaches are interested in the Everton job, that much is clear to me at this stage. Hopefully, Brands can unearth the next Poch but until then lets get behind the team and current occupant as they try and climb away from the relegation spots.

Trevor Peers
89 Posted 16/12/2019 at 08:19:31
Why not bring Arteta in as Duncan's assistant, he's a good coach and 2nd in command after all.
Steve Ferns
90 Posted 16/12/2019 at 08:20:53
Yes Trevor, he’ll swap city and Guardiola for Everton and Ferguson.
Chris Mason
91 Posted 16/12/2019 at 08:27:49
I think Arteta would be waiting for Arsenal’s call, although I’m unsure they’ll take a punt on an untried manager.

Us on the other hand, I think we should take a punt, provided he fits with Brands strategy (whatever that is, not really sure these days). On the grounds that our best options are hackneyed managers stuck in the previous decade. Not sure how he’ll go dealing with the various factions - other more experienced managers evidently failed. So we’ll see.

Alexander Murphy
92 Posted 16/12/2019 at 08:49:22
I'm just enjoying seeing Duncan being Duncan again. He's reminded Me that being a dedicated Blue is fucking great. Thanks Big Man.
Robert Tressell
93 Posted 16/12/2019 at 08:54:29
Two games ago we were at rock bottom, wanting a new appointment pronto to steer us to safety. Two games on and we have a side with the spirit to go to old Trafford and play for a win despite having only one fit central midfielder. The approach is very british. Everyone is loving it. It is certainly making me think twice about what we need to take us forward. Still doubtful Ferguson is right past the end of this season (can he keep up the intensity / can he steer clear of hypothermia) but we're certainly in no hurry for a new man. And if it is to be Arteta then hopefully that will be in summer and he'll have tsken on board how effective (and fun) the very traditional british approach is - while at the same time adding some pep style sophistication.
Daniel A Johnson
94 Posted 16/12/2019 at 09:15:15
Give Duncan until the end of the season. This buys us more time for our manager search and also gives us a longer look at Duncan its a win win situation surely?
Sam Hoare
95 Posted 16/12/2019 at 09:27:45
Think it’s a bit early to talk of giving Dunc the season.

We’ve had two games where we largely expected very little and got more than that thanks largely to some stirring commitment in games where we saw very little of the ball.

I will feel more able to comment on Dunc’s tenure when the ‘bounce’ has worn off and we’re seeing how we perform against the less vaunted clubs.

I think at the moment we take it match by match and see how long this intensity can last. Not sure the players are conditioned for it.

Steve Ferns
96 Posted 16/12/2019 at 09:45:49
Duncan has been getting all the luck that Silva was missing. He has made a load of tactical mistakes that we have not been punished for and so the result is all that matters and everything is rosy. There's no way he gets the job full time as the results will not pull the wool over Brands' eyes, who will be telling the board about the continuous tactical errors and how we need a shrewder man in the dug out. It's better to be a lucky manager than a good manager.
Chris Mason
97 Posted 16/12/2019 at 09:53:51
Ferguson has brought more of a sense of positivity and united the fans a bit, which had lifted the poisonous atmosphere a fair bit...
Chris Mason
98 Posted 16/12/2019 at 09:53:53
Is absolutely right Steve. Ferguson’s done the job he’s been asked to do, and the players have responded. But he doesn’t want the job full time and has been upfront about it.

Unless Brands is in control at this point - I don’t see how we can move forward with the continued muddled thinking.

Kevin Molloy
99 Posted 16/12/2019 at 09:59:52
Steve
It's not luck. Silva was unlucky because he was a dreadful manager, just how dreadful is shown by the renewed energy of the team since he left. Duncan may or may not have what it takes, but you don't end up fifteen minutes from an away win at OT from luck. You do him an immense disservice. And whilst the idea that Brands is watching Duncan take 4 points from two of our toughest fixtures whilst whispering sweet shite in the ear of Moshiri is entirely plausible, I don't think it means he's right.
Steve Ferns
100 Posted 16/12/2019 at 10:17:41
Kevin, Silva is not a dreadful manager. You do not set European wide records for consecutive games won if you are a dreadful manager. But that's by the by. Duncan has been lucky. Our defence is exposed time and again and we are surviving by desperation. Iwobi and Bernard were ineffective, but that was a tactical problem as they are far too deep for what suits them.

Duncan has done exceptionally well. I take nothing away from him. To have gotten 4 points is excellent. He's a complete novice and learning on the job. He's done brilliant. He's playing a simple brand of football that is effective in the short term. This short term period might be crucial in turning the season around. The next manager will hopefully find a squad with all the pressure taken off them and so be able to use better tactics and more managerial knowhow to thrust us up the league and he will owe all of that to Duncan.

And let's hope he can also thank Duncan for getting us to a league cup semi-final.

Julian Exshaw
101 Posted 16/12/2019 at 10:21:46
Steve, I supported many of your posts which defended Silva, as I was, for the most part, of the same opinion as you. Silva had no luck at all. However, I think it's slightly unfair to say Duncan has suddenly been blessed with that luck. He has got the players 'up for it' again, something which Silva found increasingly hard to do.
As for Brands. To be honest it's hard to know where he stands isn't it? With Arteta appearing to be off to Arsenal, it looks like it may be Ancelotti or Ferguson. This will drag on and on
Phil Sammon
102 Posted 16/12/2019 at 10:30:51
Steve

‘Duncan has been getting all the luck that Silva was missing.’

A quite unbelievable statement. I cannot believe the lengths you are going to in defence of your man.

Brian Hennessy
103 Posted 16/12/2019 at 10:38:00
Arteta was my pick for the job when Silva got the sack purely because he looked to me to be the best qualified of those realistically available, and that he would get the backing of the fans.

However I have changed my mind based on what Duncan Ferguson has achieved in his two games in charge.

Duncan has restored passion to our players and anyone who thins this happens automatically when you change manager should take a look at how Arsenal have performed with one of their former heroes in charge since Emery left.

What has impressed me most about Duncan has been his tactical awareness. I worried when I saw three centre backs on the team yesterday as I thought it meant 5 at the back which would invite pressure and leave us short in midfield. Duncan's decision to play Holgate in midfield proved a master stroke and is the type of decision the ridged Silva would never make.

Playing 4 4 2 has given us more goal threat and is playing to the strengths of DCL - something Silva failed to do in his entire time as Everton manager.

I have no doubt that if we move up the table and continue to grow in confidence, our playing style and ball retention will also improve.

Ferguson has also really impressed my with how he has spoken to the media. He has a presence about him that the players and fans are responding to.

As of now Duncan Ferguson has more premiere league managerial experience than Arteta and he has passed his first two tests with flying colours.

Arteta may prove in the future to be a good manager but with our current position still close to the relegation zone, my opinion is that the safest bet is to stick with what's working- Duncan Ferguson.

James Marshall
104 Posted 16/12/2019 at 10:41:17
Getting back to the thread topic - it looks as though Arteta might well be being lined up by Arsenal now. Chief exec is at his house this morning.

I still have a feeling Everton are going to make an appointment before Christmas and it won't be Duncan.

David Pearl
105 Posted 16/12/2019 at 11:02:42
I think Duncan Ferguson has reminded us all what a load of bollox a football manager job is. Different formations, personnel... whatever. When all that matters is foundation and heart. You need a base and he has quickly given us that. You don’t need a supposed genius, such as myself.

Silva got paid an absolute fortune. Millions of pounds. Isn’t that ridiculous? I mean wtf for exactly!! My mother could of taken over, said okay you lazy pricks, let’s go 442 keep it simple... you know what to do dammit. And bingo. If you have a manager that can motivate the team isn’t that half his job done?

Perhaps Duncan is our own Simeone... or El Choppo.
I actually now expect a hard fought win against Leicester... followed by an easier win against Arsenal. All that l would change going forward is a couple changes to the background staff, some experienced coaches for support.

Obviously once we lose a game or two that’s the real test. How he reacts, what he changes, how the players react. I’d wager no manager will get two whole months (TWICE) to set it right. I’d say we should plan on giving him the rest of the season, access the ups and any downs. It would probably be good for him to learn from a loss or two and is to learn also.

As for the game, what l caught anyway, l was impressed with Holgate. I mean for all the changes l didn’t see a weakened team. Nice to see Baines out there. Coyb

Robert Tressell
106 Posted 16/12/2019 at 11:14:36
I still expect us to apoint someone for the New Year - and maybe bring in a couple of reinforcements in the playing staff too (eg Genesio + Sangare & Diaz). But if we don't then we look set to pick up points under Dunc. The straightforward brand of football is getting the best out of some unsung players and confidence is picking up. We could lose the next couple of course but we're competitive now - not a basket case. Arsenal must be wishing they had a bit of what we've got instead of a handsome swede with a footballing philosophy to bed in.
Steve Ferns
107 Posted 16/12/2019 at 11:23:48
Robert, we need reinforcements for sure. If Duncan is to stick around for the long term then the type of centre-back we need is different to if Silva was here. Silva needed a big guy with pace and ball skills. That's very hard to find and costs big money. Michael Keane is looking better under Ferguson as he is playing to his strengths. It's crucial that a decision on the new manager is made quickly and then we can sign the reinforcements we need, and make these appointments to suit the style of the incoming manager.
Mike Benjamin
108 Posted 16/12/2019 at 12:07:38
Mikel Arteta may well become a good manager but at the moment I don't think our squad of players would suit how he would probably want to play. Presumably he has been schooled in the Pep way of playing with ball retention and playing out from the back. We've done that and got the teeshirt. At the moment the more direct style is best suited to us with a manager who is prepared to kick arses rather than try to be the players best friend.
Steve Shave
109 Posted 16/12/2019 at 12:39:44
I may be in a minority with this view but If Arsenal get Arteta (which is increasingly likely judging by recent reports) then I think we have seriously missed the boat and may live to regret our dithering. I think he will do well there but he is not a legend at their club, he is a God to our club and I believe he would have really fitted well. Feeling pissed off about this! Let's hope Brands et al have been working quietly on someone special behind the scenes Jardim Ten Hag? Or maybe we still don't have a sodding clue!
Ken Kneale
110 Posted 16/12/2019 at 12:42:23
If the media reports are true about Arteta and Arsenal, surely we should at least be interviewing him as a potential option. I am delighted DF has gained us 4 really valuable points and inspired some reaction from the moribund group he inherited, but we need long term planning and a style of football/footballer at the club that fits our past and our future ambitions to regain that past.
Steve Ferns
111 Posted 16/12/2019 at 12:44:34
CONFIRMED: Duncan Ferguson to remain as manager for Leicester.
Richard Cusworth
112 Posted 16/12/2019 at 12:45:08
And his first game looks like being against us!!!... Just hope the inevitable headline come Saturday teatime doesn't ring true!
Steve Ferns
113 Posted 16/12/2019 at 12:51:58
Can anyone explain why the Nottingham Forest manager is now 4th favourite and how some journeyman Frenchman is now seriously in the running (according to the bookies)? He's only been at Forest for 5 months! His success is in Saudi Arabia and he had one season at Rennes, got them to 5th and then got sacked, hence dropping to the second flight and managing Forest.

This is so random there must be some credence to it. Does anyone have any info?

Andrew James
114 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:02:20
It's funny how the game changes so quickly.

The league now has a lot of British coaches in it, many of whom play progressive football. Yet that doesn't mean always playing it out from the back and passing for the sake of it.

It often means getting the ball forwards quickly into the channels - not necessarily in the air - and into the box.

DF is doing this which suits our players. Pickford is a good distributor and we have full backs who can cross well. We have pace through the middle in Bernard, Iwobi and Richarlison.

For the coming months we should just stick to what we can do which is play aggressive and fast. It'll get us to the top half and entertain the fans.

Daniel A Johnson
115 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:08:34
Steve Shave...……..Mikel Arteta is a god to our club. Really? Good player and all that but he was no Messi or Ronaldo lets not go OTT. He wasn't a god, just a good honest & skilful value for money player.

The City players call him a good coach and a nice man. Well we had a good coach and a nice man in SIlva and where did that get us?

Plus all this talk of Arteta being a Basque doesn't necessarily mean he comes with predefined personality traits. As a player and on the touchline I see Arteta as being another Marco Silva in his demeanour, quiet and thoughtful.

John Daley
116 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:34:12
He has made a load of tactical mistakes that we have not been punished for and so the result is all that matters and everything is rosy. There's no way he gets the job full time as the results will not pull the wool over Brands' eyes, who will be telling the board about the continuous tactical errors”

Nah, that’s reaching right there, Steve. Ferguson hasn’t been making ‘continuous tactical errors’ at all. Virtually every decision he has made thus far has been spot on and justified by the performances and results. You’ve previously tried to piss all over 4-4-2 and paint it as a prehistoric formation that only a Luddite would like and stated we wouldn’t play it at Old Trafford because it would result in a pasting. It didn’t and, despite continual cries of it being outdated, it suits the players at Ferguson’s disposal far more than the ineffective variations of 4-3-3 and 5 at the back we have been subjected to under a succession of managers too blinkered and ‘progressive’ to twig that keeping it simple, making sure everyone is well drilled and playing to their strengths can prevent you from shooting yourself in the foot most fucking weeks.

Our defence has in no way looked more exposed than it did under Silva, our midfield has been no more wide open, but our players have looked far more confident and composed by virtue of being comfortable with what is being asked of them by a manager who has demonstrated he can actually get his message across and provoke a reaction in a far shorter period of time than quick Silva had the luxury of.

As for the claim that Brands will be pointing out all these ‘continuous tactical errors’ Ferguson has been making to his fellow board members? Again, baseless speculation on your part. If anything he’s probably breathing a big sigh of relief that someone wrongly pegged as nothing more than a big galoot of a cone getter by amateur students of the game has pulled a couple of big results out of the bag, proved more capable than the last much trumpeted ‘super coach/serial loser’, immediately lifted the pressure he and the board were under and brought him, personally, far more time to fumble about in the dark and hopefully not fuck up by plumping for some quilt bigged up as being Flash Gordon on the training ground but who turns out to be Fucking Gormless when the game comes around.

Paul Tran
117 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:35:13
Arteta thought he was getting the Arsenal job last time. Apparently they had a last-minute change of heart and went for Emery. So logic dictates they'll be speaking with Arteta now. I hope we're speaking with him too. I'd argue Arsenal are more of a basket case than us. We don't need to rush, unless were sure he's the right man.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

118 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:40:10
I think it's interesting that Duncan's tenure as Everton manager continues to be announced on a game by game basis, as the latest confirmation that he will manage the team in the cup tie v Leicester on Wednesday. No mention of the Arsenal game.

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This suggests to me serious negotiations with a permanent replacement (or several candidates) remain ongoing with still no likely starting date or availabilty agreed, but also still imminent with the possibility it could be announced at any time once agreement is reached.

Thus the game by game rolling 'contract' for Duncan Ferguson at the moment.

Ryan Holroyd
119 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:45:58
*logs onto ToffeeWeb Sees Steve Ferns still praising Marco Silva *logs off again
Daniel A Johnson
120 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:46:56
I agree Jay Duncan's done enough to get an extended stay so this game by game basis indicates something is imminent
Adrian Evans
121 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:50:57
Arteta comes Pickford starts rolling it out sideways in our box,Edissen he is not as a footballer.
Arteta has had the best squad in the world to goach, organise.We aint???
How does Arteta master mind wins against Man Cities,RS with inferior players and squad ???
A gamble.
You wanna role the dice, then Big Duncan has a better record than Arteta, fact.
Big Duncan we can add technical savvy to.

Arteta,can he motivate instile confidence in players to get a shift as a team and individually.
I think Big Duncan is delivering something remarkable.Jose,Pep,Klopp would all be delighted to have done what he has.

Keep him for Christ sake,as Dunc what he needs and give it to him.
Three world class players brought in A 9, midfield, central defender.
Sack the bloke who paid £28.5 million for Keane.Absolute disgrace his minutes before he was subed.He want the acvolaid of a super star,hes got the money,produce the goods.All this molly coddling crap get rid of him.
£4 million punt ok but £28.5 million.???
If that hurt his feelings then he aint made of the right stuff.
Give big Duncan the job.

Absolutely knowbody has the right to comment on Duncans performance in two games in charge.

He was a great player,Everton legend.Worked under how many so called
great managers at Everton.Well they where hired as great managers.
Did he learn nothing.
Obviously not,he has the first most important quality, he can motivate,pick a strategy for a game.Get his message across and deliver.

Give him the bloody job.Dont talk about getting someone else in at the moment.

Ok we might need to eventually.Give Duncan £1 million Net to keep us up,why not him weve had bloody mercenaries in here walked away with millions.

Martinez,how much pay off,Koeman how much, Silva how much ???absolute bloody joke.Now Keane £28.5 million,Tosun £27 million,the rest ???

So give the squad and Duncan a wedge for getting us into top 6,top 8,top ten.

The bloody things a joke.

Yet only big Duncan is doing whats required.The players have to take it on the chin, but put it right with securing Premier League status asap.

Duncan don't need to hear anything from anybody.
Moshiri, Bill Brands would fo well to let Duncan Ferguson pick our next manager if it aint to be him.

Craig Walker
122 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:53:10
Steve. I value your contributions to TW but please stop trying to defend your stance on Marco Silva. He wasn't a good manager for Everton FC and a lot of us thought so when we first showed interest in him. I like the guy and he had a modicum of success in lesser leagues but I didn't see anything he'd achieved in the Premier League to warrant our interest. The game against Watford at Goodison when we were under Unsworth showed worrying signs. Watford were 2-0 up and we won 3-2. His team capitulated. People at the time told me it was because their goalkeeper got injured. They also had no luck - Cleverley missed a penalty to make it 3-3. All the signs were there: a good performance being thrown away and bad luck. There were some positives, towards the end of last season but even then, we conspired to throw a 2 goal lead away at St James' and lost at already relegated Fulham. I wish him well but he wasn't good enough for our club. Trying to defend him is futile. Duncan has got some pride back amongst the fanbase. He should have been installed before the derby. It might go horribly wrong but at least he's getting his players to look like they give a shit. Silva never managed that.
Dave McDowell
123 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:54:27
The point has been made that we are suffering from a number of muscular injuries due to the work rate that Duncan is asking the players to get through.

Well boo hoo, manager demands players are fit to play high intensity game.

What were they doing previously?

It's that tippy tappy route that has led us into the cul-de-sac of Sigurdsson & Schneiderlin, sideways passing, false number 9, mythical number 10, BS.

I will be happy to consider all those wonderful formations and tactics when we sign Messi, or Mane or Salah or our version of any of those game changers but until then I'll take a manager demanding the best performances out of the squad we have available.

This is also not in anyway decrying any of Ferguson's substitutions, many better decisions than Silva made I would argue. Even the Kean "debate" I am not concerned about, it's a big boys game, people lose their jobs by pussyfooting around diva's. Ferguson wasn't happy with his performance, hooked, learn from it. Finally a manager who will take the tough decisions, we should applaud him.

Does anyone seriously want to step back from the last two matches level of commitment, they have been the two most enjoyable passionate matches I can remember since Martinez season 1.

Can you imagine Gbamin watching from the sidelines, he'd be thinking "oh shit when I am back I need to be giving 110% from the get go" none of this I'll ease back in crap.

DCL, Holgate, Sidibe, Mina, all flourishing, Schneiderlin played the best I can remember him playing v Chelsea.

Do any of these guys performances and energy remind you of anyone - Senegalese guy, now playing in Champions League. He must be laughing, he was consistently putting a shift in for us while other slacked.

Ferguson has opened the Pandora's box and anyone coming in now (with this set of players) who serves up any performance lower than the past two matches will get dogs abuse.

He should be given the job now.

Sometimes (by luck) the solution falls into your lap, no overpaid declining "name" manager no up and coming unproven manager, no manger with relegation experience, sometimes its more simple than that.

Occam's Razor.

Adrian Evans
124 Posted 16/12/2019 at 13:56:05
Arteta comes Pickford starts rolling it out sideways in our box,Edissen he is not as a footballer.
Arteta has had the best squad in the world to goach, organise.We aint???
How does Arteta master mind wins against Man Cities,RS with inferior players and squad ???
A gamble.
You wanna role the dice, then Big Duncan has a better record than Arteta, fact.
Big Duncan we can add technical savvy to.

Arteta,can he motivate instile confidence in players to get a shift as a team and individually.
I think Big Duncan is delivering something remarkable.Jose,Pep,Klopp would all be delighted to have done what he has.

Keep him for Christ sake,as Dunc what he needs and give it to him.
Three world class players brought in A 9, midfield, central defender.
Sack the bloke who paid £28.5 million for Keane.Absolute disgrace his minutes before he was subed.He want the acvolaid of a super star,hes got the money,produce the goods.All this molly coddling crap get rid of him.
£4 million punt ok but £28.5 million.???
If that hurt his feelings then he aint made of the right stuff.
Give big Duncan the job.

Absolutely knowbody has the right to comment on Duncans performance in two games in charge.

He was a great player,Everton legend.Worked under how many so called
great managers at Everton.Well they where hired as great managers.
Did he learn nothing.
Obviously not,he has the first most important quality, he can motivate,pick a strategy for a game.Get his message across and deliver.

Give him the bloody job.Dont talk about getting someone else in at the moment.

Ok we might need to eventually.Give Duncan £1 million Net to keep us up,why not him weve had bloody mercenaries in here walked away with millions.

Martinez,how much pay off,Koeman how much, Silva how much ???absolute bloody joke.Now Keane £28.5 million,Tosun £27 million,the rest ???

So give the squad and Duncan a wedge for getting us into top 6,top 8,top ten.

The bloody things a joke.

Yet only big Duncan is doing whats required.The players have to take it on the chin, but put it right with securing Premier League status asap.

Duncan don't need to hear anything from anybody.
Moshiri, Bill Brands would fo well to let Duncan Ferguson pick our next manager if it aint to be him.

David Pearl
125 Posted 16/12/2019 at 14:04:31
Jay, 118

You recon we are currently in any negotiations? Honestly, who knows. We haven’t heard anything said this way or that. Same as when we are in for any players it always takes weeks to get anything confirmed.

This is the only ‘Everton way’ we seem to have.

I think we we have to ride this Duncan crest of a wave for as long as we can. Any new manager coming in mid season... is difficult. Can’t see any new guy keeping 442. Although it is and always has been flexible.

Adrian Evans
126 Posted 16/12/2019 at 14:05:29
Oh Duncan might lose Wed, Sat, Boxing Day,New Years day.
Will it be his fault without how many first 11 players???
One thing is for sure who ever he puts out will have the pace of the game asap,deliver a shift as he wants it or.?????We saw what happened to him.

I think we will be bloody hard to play against for 95 mins who ever he picks, we play.
If that happens we win way more than we lose and wont draw many.

Duncan becomes manager, or picks him.

Anyone one else think we got a better option.
Moshiri cant
Bill cant
Brands cant.Or Brands and Duncan appoints the manager.
Or just Duncan.

Or just give it to Duncan for now, until he has a full squad to work with.So 2020,21 season then.

Steve Shave
127 Posted 16/12/2019 at 14:13:19
Ok Daniel (115) he was to me growing up, is modern day legend less effusive? He was at least one of our most consistent quality performers during his 6 years at the club. I guess all I am saying is that by teaming him up with the big man as his no 2, we would have potentially (and it is a big if) a really potent combination which I could envisage working, well it wont now anyway because we've dragged our heels. again. I don't want to see us spanking millions on paying off another money orientated mercenary. if he goes to Arsenal and does as well as I think he will, I'll feel as sick as a parrot.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

128 Posted 16/12/2019 at 14:15:14
David @ 125.

On the search for a new manager:

'We haven’t heard anything said this way or that.'

Just the way I like it.

What do you want, David?

Daily bulletins with names, details, locations, contract terms and duration, plus a percentage probability number of whether a candidate is likely to take it?

That the board continues to confirm Duncan as caretaker manager game by game, rather than a blanket statement that he will be in charge 'until further notice' is interesting to me, if not you.

Dave McDowell
129 Posted 16/12/2019 at 14:54:43
Adrian #124 agree, Arteta comes and we try to play football “the City way” we are going down, without our most technically gifted player Gomes, it’ll be a disaster.

Passion, commitment, back to basics, let Dunc restore our identity for the rest of the season.

It’s reenergising all of us, we are looking forward to the match again.

Give it to Dunc.

Tony Everan
130 Posted 16/12/2019 at 15:32:04
Ancelotti's turn today for the rumour mill.
Fran Mitchell
131 Posted 16/12/2019 at 15:37:48
Apparently held talks with Ancelotti with more talk due to be held, according to The Guardian.

Not sure tbh, but it is a bold move, so credit to the board for that. I would assume hiring a manager of his calibre would require guaranteeing some transfer funds. And he is the only manager to beat the other lot from across the park this season.

Kevin Prytherch
132 Posted 16/12/2019 at 15:40:31
If Ancellotti comes in, why not get a succession plan in place now. Give him either 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years with Ferguson as his number 2. Then tell Ferguson to learn from him and take over at the end of his contract.
Martin Reppion
133 Posted 16/12/2019 at 15:43:45
I think we've all had enough of the press guessulation about the manager.
I saw enough in the first 5 minutes against Chelsea and the 3 hours since to know that we could do a lot worse than give the job to Duncan for the rest of the season.
Get the squad fit. See who is up for putting in a shift for their pay and their shirt. Anything better than avoiding a relegation fight in the spring and it will be worth giving him the job full time. Either way, we learn if we need to spend big on another gamble or have unearthed a gem from within.
Duncan can't be anymore of a gamble than we have had in the last 6 years. It is not as if he will need to get the cheque book melting in January. If we push on up the table and maybe have a cup run or two managers will be banging on the door in May. Right now its Duncan or the bargain basement.
I know which I'd choose.
Alastair Donaldson
134 Posted 16/12/2019 at 16:12:26
I always found it interesting that someone like Arteta (from as far back as his Glasgow Rangers days) never got into the Spain team. Not even once. I know he was up against a formidable generation in midfield including Iniesta and Alonso etc but even at that he was a very very good player on his day and fairly consistently over his career. If you compare that to say England, many's a player on even a short run of good form has received one or two caps down through the years but that never happened for Arteta???????
Craig Walker
135 Posted 16/12/2019 at 16:36:53
SSN website says Ancelotti is at Everton for talks about our managerial vacancy.
David Pearl
136 Posted 16/12/2019 at 16:43:15
Jay
No l don’t want daily bulletins. But tell me why we were so unprepared for the inevitable sacking of Silva. Or do you think that sitting on our hands is a good thing? Well okay Just this once it might work out as Dunc wouldn’t of had this opportunity. Bit lucky but we’ll all take it.

Just like Holgate may never have had a run out in midfield. I know it was just one game but thought he did quite well. Another note... if BK wasn’t still involved do you think Brands and Moshiri would of ever considered Duncan? I’m not so sure he’d even still be at the club. Let’s face it we’ve been due a bit of luck. Duncan is just what we need right now.

Alan J Thompson
137 Posted 16/12/2019 at 17:08:38
Kevin(#132); I think if Ancellotti comes in he'll bring his own people and Big Dunc as No2 is highly unlikely or, if the Board insist, as a sinecure. Ancellotti has been around far too long.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

138 Posted 16/12/2019 at 17:22:28
David @ 135.

Strange follow up post to your previous one I replied to in which you seemingly bemoaned the club news blackout on the new manager recruitment.

What can they possibly say then to appease you?

Dunno why you put the question to me about their preparedness or otherwise about finding a new manager, or indeed its relevance to your original post.

For what it's worth, even before Silva was sacked I expressed the hope that, like constantly updating his target players database, the DoF also had a list of alternative managers to go for if Silva was chopped.

I went further and said if that wasn't the case then Brands was being remiss in his duties.

Curiously enough, due to the club news blackout on the subject that you originally complained about, neither you nor I or anybody on TW has the remotest idea how prepared Brands or the board were for this scenario, whether they DO have a list they are working through, or whether they are making it up on the hoof.

Without knowing with absolute certainty, it's more than a reasonable presumption that we are now actively looking for a new manager and not continuing 'sitting on our hands' as you allege.

I stand by my earlier opinion that you commented on: the fact that Duncan Ferguson continues in the manager's caretaker role on a game by game notice, rather than a more open ended 'until further notice' declaration hints to me that the management expects to announce a full-time appointment any time soon.

Just my opinion.

Christy Ring
139 Posted 16/12/2019 at 17:42:19
Steve@96, Your comments that Duncan was getting the luck that Silva was missing, and his tactical errors won't pull the wool over Brands eyes. Absolutely unbelievable, it doesn't deserve a reply.
David Currie
140 Posted 17/12/2019 at 20:41:26
Steve 100, Silva was a dreadful manager for Everton.
Phil Smith
141 Posted 20/12/2019 at 17:26:38
You earn your luck in football. End of.

See Arteta has signed for Arsenal. Missed the boat there.

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