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Schalke want long-term Kenny deal

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Schalke 04 are reportedly keen to negotiate the permanent transfer of Jonjoe Kenny from Everton.

The fullback has impressed manager David Wagner and helped the Bundesliga side rise to fifth place and the former Huddersfield boss is keen to keep hold of the 22-year-old.

The claim in MailSport doesn't mention a possible valuation for Kenny who is due to return to Goodison Park in the summer where he has said this week he will seek assurances of regular first-team football.

Original Source: MailSport  

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Jay Woods
1 Posted 15/01/2020 at 06:13:10
His performances for Schalke 04 this season have been good enough to persuade us - hopefully - to keep him.
Nigel Gregson
2 Posted 15/01/2020 at 06:18:14
He's like a new signing. We need him here and we can spend in other areas. He's in pole position to make the long term right-back position his own here. No-brainer to keep him, I'd think.
Chris Mason
3 Posted 15/01/2020 at 06:39:17
He always looked bang average to me. I hope he returns a better player than the one who left us.
Tony Hill
4 Posted 15/01/2020 at 06:48:22
I think he's slightly lacking. I suspect we may sell.
Vijay Nair
5 Posted 15/01/2020 at 07:06:18
Keep him and sign Sidibe. We need competition in the right-back slot with Coleman approaching the end of his days at Everton.
Lester Yip
6 Posted 15/01/2020 at 07:16:03
Since Holgate can cover right back as well, I would say, sign Sidibe and sell Kenny if the valuation is right. Coleman and Sidibe to fight for the spot.
Bob Parrington
7 Posted 15/01/2020 at 07:33:35
He seemed an old fashioned full back to me, without the attacking mind-set required of wing-backs nowadays. Good lad, lots of heart but, if the offer is substantial and good enough, perhaps we should take the money in this case. Sets his future up quite well!
Andrew Bentley
8 Posted 15/01/2020 at 08:18:47
If he’s not part of our plans then let’s sell him and get in someone we actually want/need rather than just accepting ok/average.

And in regards to the Sidibe comments, think I’m the only one who’s not convinced by him. Looks ok at RM with Coleman behind him but he can’t defend. Also, he frustrates the hell out of me every match when he goes down in the last 10 mins like he’s been shot when someone hasn’t even touched him. That move alone has cost us goals in a number of games

Fran Mitchell
9 Posted 15/01/2020 at 08:23:08
Really Bob? I thought his crossing was pretty impressive, far superior to Coleman's, who has always been a powerful running but never had the final ball to make him truly top class.

I think we should keep Kenny, he has passion, and looks very good, despite the bar for full backs now increasing so much since the emergence of TAA at Liverpool.

Holgate back if anything, because we can save for another position and can't see us getting much for him if we so sell (although maybe from an accounting pov selling is good as it is pure profit)

If we did sell, Max Aarons would be a decent call. One thing is for sure, another season for Coleman is pushing it.

Thought he was judged too soon here (like Holgate, Davies, DCL). Youngsters who struggled in a team that was full of under preforming seniors.

The first ones to be written off were the youngsters, whilst the seniors got chance after chance and never failed to unimpress.

Rob Young
10 Posted 15/01/2020 at 08:28:22
Andrew, I'm with you.
Furthermore, the number of times he lets the opposing left back in acres of space when playing on the right wing is absolutely maddening.
No positional sense whatsoever.

Derek Knox
11 Posted 15/01/2020 at 09:52:03
The fact that he is earning rave reviews almost on a weekly basis, and Schalke are fifth in the League, would indicate that he has certainly matured and benefitting from his stint in the Bundesliga.

I would also hazard agues that his defending may have improved too, which was the only debatable part of his game, going forward and crossing, has always been a strong part of his game.

It was noticeable that when getting back to defend he was sometimes lacking in that area. I would have to see more matches to make an assertive comment on whether he has a future with us or not.

I trust between Carlo, Duncan and Brands they will know what is happening with Jonjoe, and his future. No figures have been mentioned, which, let's face it is the most determining factor, as every player has a price.

Derek Knox
12 Posted 15/01/2020 at 09:54:37
* hazard a guess* that predictive text can be a nuisance at times, even after you have corrected it still sometimes reverts back to the original!
Steve Ferns
13 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:01:13
Jonjoe Kenny would be my first choice at right back next season. In fact he would have been my first choice at right back this season, and last season. Nothing to do with Schalke or how he's played there. I really rate the lad. We need to give him the assurances he wants and get him back in.

As for Sidibe, as he has played, many times, at left back for Lille and for Monaco (even if it was been rare in the last two years), then he is the perfect substitute, able to come on and play either fullback position.

I think Coleman is finished as a marauding fullback. He's not picked at right wing back when we go with a back three. He only gets games when he plays this quasi right back / right centre-back role. It looks like he has reached the stage whereby his legs don't do what his head remembers. I'd still keep him but he is starting to fade.

Annika Herbert
14 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:13:14
I am with Steve, we should keep him and start him next season. In my opinion anyway
Dennis Stevens
15 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:14:27
If we have Kenny as RB next season & retain Coleman as cover for one more season, shouldn't we be looking for a youngster to be the third choice cover? That would either be from within the ranks of our existing youngsters, hopefully, or as a much cheaper purchase than buying Sidibe.
Steve Ferns
16 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:20:45
Dennis, Ryan Astley, but he's only 18 now, and he can progress on loan and come into the first team when Coleman's contract expires. Sidibe would be back up for me for Kenny, with Coleman playing a different role.

I don't think Callum Connolly has a future at Everton.

Dennis Stevens
17 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:25:56
All well & good Steve, but would Sidibe be happy to sign up to largely sit on the bench? It seems his role would be to act as an upgrade on Cuco Martina.
Steve Ferns
18 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:36:26
It depends Dennis. If we can get Europa League football, then yes, he would still get games. If we don't, then you simply exercise the right to buy and say he will fight it out with Kenny on the right and Digne on the left and may the best man win the starting slot. You would also use him in certain games whereby you want to be more attacking.
Tony Everan
19 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:44:35
Say thank you but no to Schalke.

Get him back and give him a run in the team. The experience over there will have been invaluable, he will come back a better, more confident and more mature player.

Tell him the right back's job's his if he performs well.

Brian Wilkinson
20 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:46:08
I cannot believe that some were screaming with wanting to keep Lookman who has failed to impress previous managers at our club, and now at his new club.

Yet are prepared to allow Kenny to leave without even a whimper, this lad has come in when needed, got his head down and always gave 100%.

He must be doing something right onloan.

Me personally, I would keep the guy, both he and Sidebe can play on the right.

Not sure if we can get another full season out of Coleman, so for me makes sense to have both Sidebe and Kenny.

Steve Ferns
21 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:52:06
Brian, there's no way Kenny would have surrendered so meekly in either of the recent Derbies.
Phil Sammon
22 Posted 15/01/2020 at 10:59:11
Seamus Coleman is only 31. He should have 2 years left at the very top. He’s had a horror injury to come back from. I really hope with a full pre-season in him he can get back to his best.

We should let Kenny stay at Schalke another year if that suits them and him. There’s no point selling him for £10M or whatever paltry figure they have in mind.

Derek Knox
23 Posted 15/01/2020 at 11:01:15
Steve F @16, good shout with Ryan Astley looking to the future, I have seen the lad playing for the U-20's and U-23's and he has a maturity about him which belies his youthful appearance.

Derek Knox
24 Posted 15/01/2020 at 11:40:30
Further to my previous post, Sidibe, who is enjoying a new lease of life since Carlo took over, has proved his versatility both at right back and midfield.

However his defending is a trifle suspect, so I just hope those who matter have decided already whether he is worth retaining or seek pastures new.

Peter Gorman
25 Posted 15/01/2020 at 11:44:36
"Brian, there's no way Kenny would have surrendered so meekly in either of the recent Derbies."

You'd think that, but Coleman did.

Kenny is our best right back to be quite frank - Coleman is long past it at his previously top level and Sidibe can't defend.

Bill Watson
26 Posted 15/01/2020 at 11:52:35
Derek; I assume revert back was also predictive text???? lol.

I agree with you and others that Kenny should be brought back and is the best right back on our books. I thought he had a bit of a raw deal when Silva dropped him as soon as Coleman was fit.

Steve Ferns
27 Posted 15/01/2020 at 11:54:39
Derek, I think his tackling, cross prevention, and his ability to stop the winger advancing is all fine. It's his tendency to just play as a right winger and make little effort to recover position and leave us completely wide open that's the issue. I suppose at 27, you are what you are. Let's hope that our 3 time Champions League winning manager (I'll never tire of saying that!) can use some Italian know-how to address the issue.

At Monaco, in their title winning season 2.5 years ago, Leo Jardim played a 442 and Sidibe had full licence to go forward. Bernardo Silva (now of Man City) same in off the right flank (like he does for City and Bernard does for us) and dragged the full back inside clearing the way for Sidibe to attack the space on the right. However, when the move broke down they had Fabinho (now of Liverpool) in central midfield whose job it was to sit in. He would then drift out to the right and play right back if needed. It helped that he had been the actual full time right back before Sidibe. On the left Mendy (now of Man City) did not get forward quite as much as Sidibe as Thomas Lemar (now of Atletico Madrid) operated in this space and did not come inside like Bernardo Silva, so this meant that Bakayoko (now of Chelsea but back on loan at Monaco) could get forwards in the middle of the park. Sidibe struggled at Monaco last season after suffering a serious injury but also because he no longer had Fabinho sweeping up behind him.

It's also worth noting that the Monaco manager, Loe Jardim - my personal favourite for the Everton job before Don Carlo got it, was sacked at the very end of December. We have an option so Monaco cannot stop us buying Sidibe, but the new manager might persuade Sidibe not to sign for us and to return in the summer.

Steve Ferns
28 Posted 15/01/2020 at 11:59:13
Bill, how much of the rush to get Coleman back in was down to ability at right back and how much was down to perceived leadership qualities?

And yeah, Peter, Coleman might have done, but it does not mean Kenny would have. I think the lad from Kirkdale would have got stuck in a lot more.

Jay Wood

29 Posted 15/01/2020 at 12:19:34
I'm firmly in the camp that wants Kenny back at Everton next season and beyond. Given the opportunity, he will make the right back position his own.

This thread reveals how differently some people view him. Some say he looks 'bang average' and 'slightly lacking'.

Others that he looks an old fashioned full-back lacking any attacking abilities. Yet others bigging up his attacking skills.

I recall when Sam Allardyce took over and the defence was decimated by injuries, he was reduced to playing a back four of the 20-year-old Kenny, Williams, the 21-year-old Holgate and Cuco Martina for a good number of games.

Just reading that is enough to make you wince. Only, all four much maligned players proved the most effective and obdurate defence we put out that season over a number of games.

Jonjoe Kenny is ferocious in the tackle. He is quick. He has high octane energy. His passing is crisp and accurate. He LOVES to get forward. He has a wicked delivery into the box, at least equal to that of Sidibe's. He is a NARK! Fiercely competitive who as young as he was at Everton, like Holgate and Pickford, didn't shy away from having a go at senior players for some perceived failing.

My one concern with him has been a tendency to hang back or run back into a deep defensive position when the rest of the back line is moving out. This has resulted in him playing the opposition onside at times.

I take every opportunity I can to watch Schalke's games. He has clearly improved every aspect of his game. In a very good league in a very good team he is an ever-present and contributing greatly to the team. He is hugely popular with the fan base, his manager and seemingly his team mates.

He has spoken himself how he has grown and developed not only as a player, but also as a person, living alone far from the familiar. He has also spoken that he sees his long-term future at Everton.

This has proven to be one of the very best loans by Everton in recent years.

Get him back home next season and play him.

Peter Gorman
30 Posted 15/01/2020 at 12:29:03
Aye, Jay, it is almost as if you are saying Kenny's qualities can seemingly not be coached but his flaws can be worked on.

Given the horror we have witnessed from the so-called professionals on our books, the lad will do for me. Great things can be achieved by 11 players that actually give a shit.

Paul Jones
31 Posted 15/01/2020 at 12:54:09
I would be inclined to give Kenny a run in the first teams, rather than sign another expensive prospect from another clubs squad for over 20 million pound or acquire another expensive loan.
The ones we've got thus far from Arsenal and Inter Milan have not improved our squad ( not missed with any regret by fans from previous teams, in fact at one club there was an out break " could not believe its happened celebration" ) and the player we have on loan at right-back is no improvement.
Daniel A Johnson
32 Posted 15/01/2020 at 12:58:16
Isn't the point of sending players on loan so they can get games and develop into a better player?

By all accounts that's what Kenny has done his performances thus far have been consistently good.

Of course Schalke want him permanently he's done very well, but with our aging fullbacks in Coleman, Baines plus Sidibe is only on loan it would be utter madness for us not to recall him.

However, there is no point in a recall if he's just going to stagnate on the bench, if that's the case then another season on loan at Schalke might be the best all round solution.

Steve Ferns
33 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:03:28
Do you mean to recall him now Daniel, or in the summer?

His contract ends in Summer 2022. So two and a half years left. If you send him away on loan again, without a new deal, then he's into that territory where you then sell him cheap to avoid risking losing him for nothing the following summer.

Whatever your feelings on the lad, I think in the summer it should be a binary choice of keep and play or sell.

Daniel A Johnson
34 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:05:05
Steve I thought he was on a one season loan...…?
Steve Ferns
35 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:09:25
He is Daniel, I was wondering if you meant to recall him this January or meant when it expired in the summer?

You moot a further season on loan, which could be problematic if it ends with him only with 12 months on his contract and liable to being poached for cheap or to leave for nothing in 12 months.

Daniel A Johnson
36 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:09:32
Steve, I would recall in the summer play him and propose a new contract based on that seasons performance? If we have a player capable of stepping up then its daft not to take the chance now rather than spend unnecessary money on an unknown foreigner.

He has to be on the team sheet next season 100% has to be.

Dave Abrahams
37 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:21:40
I was going to post my usual defence of Jonjo, but Jay 29) has said everything I wanted to say, except I think Jonjo could be a future captain of Everton.
Carl Manning
38 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:28:53
People are forgetting that because we have the option to buy Sidibe, it doesn’t mean he has to agree to come. He has done enough with us for other clubs to he circling, so I don’t think a French World Cup winning right back is going to sign to sit on the bench. The power is in his hands. Not to sign him for £13m would be criminal. That’s peanuts in today’s market
Jay Wood

39 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:38:05
Dave @ 37. I said the same about JJK just last week.

Potential future Everton captain for me too.

Brian Hennessy
40 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:42:12
For me Kenny is the best out and out defender Everton have on our books. and I include all our centre backs and left backs in that. The question of course is can he offer enough going forward, and if not, would Carlo be happy to have a very good defender at right back but one might not be brilliant in the opposition third of the pitch?

I am not at all convinced by Sidibe. Yes he has produced some excellent crosses which have led to important goals but the rest of his game. defending, tackling, positioning and general passing, in my opinion is very poor.

I hope Kenny returns to us in the summer.

Steve Ferns
41 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:43:02
Daniel, I'd have him in the side next season for sure.

Brian, I think Jonjoe is a good attacker. He got forward very well for the u23s and for England u20s and he is a great crosser of the ball. He crosses well not only from the byline but also from deep. In the u23s the questions about him were always defensive.

When he got in the Everton team, it was like he was reluctant to get forwards as he did not want to get caught out. From what I have seen of him in glimpses at Schalke, he has been able to showcase more of that side of his game.

I always thought he had modelled his game on Seamus Coleman, only he was a much better crosser of the ball.

Andrew James
42 Posted 15/01/2020 at 13:45:52
Definitely do not sell.

Those saying he's not attacking enough are probably too used to watching Seamus who likes to hit the by line thus giving the impression he is an attacking weapon. I sometimes wonder if that - although exciting trait - perhaps over compensates for whatever is in front of him or his lack of crossing prowess.

Kenny prefers to cross from a deeper position and I was impressed by what I saw a season or two back as he was precise and hitting the earlier ball caught the opposition out.

On the defensive front I can see why his preference to drop deep might have played the opposition onside and that needs work. However, I've seen him high up when we've lost the ball and it's him sprinting back to stop a shot on goal.

He's a winner, a leader and a Blue. We would regret selling him.

Kevin O'Regan
43 Posted 15/01/2020 at 14:20:24
Re. Kenny - amazing to see what happens when someone is away for a while.. how we romanticise and miss them and as soon as they are a reality for us we get stuck into them... That said I do believe Kenny should come back and slot. But he is not our best defender - I'd be giving that mantle to Holgate for now as long as he makes less and less mistakes and learns quickly. But Seamus is unfortunately not going to get back to being the Seamus we once knew and needs to move on. Kenny had been steady for Schalke, but not a world beater either. But great for him to get that experience. Now it's time to come back to the right shade of blue.
Rob Dolby
44 Posted 15/01/2020 at 14:33:49
I would keep him and play him as first choice next season.

I haven't seen shalke this season but I would seriously look at whoever is playing right midfield for them. It's all about understanding and combinations if Kenny has forged a good partnership and we need quality players then why not.

Derek Knox
45 Posted 15/01/2020 at 14:39:40
Bill @ 26, I will hold my hands up to that one, didn't realise till I checked 'back' that I had committed such a grammatical faux pas. :-)
Kevin Day
46 Posted 15/01/2020 at 14:49:42
For those unsure of Kenny, I’ve found the following link on YouTube, certainly opened my eyes a little to his progression since his loan move.

Minik Hansen
47 Posted 15/01/2020 at 14:56:54
And when Kenny comes back, we have him, Davies and DCL together again, something for the team spirit, don't underestimate it.
Phil Smith
48 Posted 15/01/2020 at 15:14:14
We HAVE to keep Kenny, end of. Need more local lads with passion in the side, not expensive imports. Kenny should be 1st choice right back next season with Coleman as back-up.
Peter Gorman
49 Posted 15/01/2020 at 15:14:46
Dave @37 - I am guessing that you base your assessment of Jonjoe on having seen him play numerous times at youth and U23 level prior to his stint in the first team. If so, that's pretty telling.

I base my faith in him mostly having seen him win pretty much every conceivable honour for England youth, which speaks volumes to me about his mentality. OK, so did Ledson, but if either of them don't make it in this game it won't be for want of a strong mentality.

Brian Williams
50 Posted 15/01/2020 at 15:15:50
Looked like it was going to be a good analysis of JJK but couldn't keep watching due to the constant references to "Shakky" :-)
Kevin Day
51 Posted 15/01/2020 at 15:26:17
Brian @50.

I know, it was a bit “cringy” with the Shakky reference.

But when they discuss his stats in a very competitive league, if he was a player that had never played for us, I think everyone would look at those stats and the report and all be clamouring to get the lad signed.

It would be bonkers to sell him in my humble opinion.

Brian Wilkinson
52 Posted 15/01/2020 at 17:11:44
Least there are a few in the keep him.

When Coleman was our injured, he came in and did a job, sometimes even having to fill in at left back and picked up a few man of the match awards.

For me he is our future right back and would certainly say no to any offer that comes in.

When you look at the money we paid for Siggy, Bolasie, we would get less than that, Kenny has age on his side.

Have none of you asked why his loan team want to buy him.

He is playing regular football for them so must be playing well.

Certainly future captain material and one we need to keep hold of.

Derek Knox
53 Posted 15/01/2020 at 17:31:46
Brian @ 50, got to agree there mate, WTF was going on with the computer generated SatNav type voice, and on my feed very limited graphics.

Progressing from stills, with coloured arrows indicating the two possible moves, and which one JJK made, but did you observe the space?

Unfortunately, in most cases, I have watched a few low-budget movies (not always all the way to the end, I must add) although some have been resounding successes, despite the dearth of funding. Shallow Grave, The Full Monty, Slumdog Millionaire to mention but a few.

This must be the worst YouTube version I have seen, about any Footballer, and there have been many candidates for the recycle bin, over the years.

What Planet are these people from? And what's more to the point what Planet do they think we are living on? Going back to Tharg, where I originally came from, they talk gibberish fluently, but at least they make better YouTube clips. :-)

Derek Taylor
54 Posted 15/01/2020 at 17:46:53
If they ain't priced up at £20M plus, they can't be much good. This is New Everton, you know. Sell !
Kieran Kinsella
55 Posted 15/01/2020 at 17:54:44
Financially a non-starter. He is one of our lowest-paid players so we see no wage benefit in selling him. Schalke have little money hence why they signed him on loan. Best case they may cough up £5 of 10 million. Bring in an established right-back, you're looking at £60 or 70k a week. As for a transfer fee, Bissaka cost £40 million, Longstaff is rated at £50 million. So replacing him would be hugely costly.
Dave Williams
56 Posted 15/01/2020 at 17:56:05
A ridiculous notion to even think of letting him go. Good young player and no doubt much improved this season. I agree with Dave A- captain material.
Bill Gienapp
57 Posted 15/01/2020 at 17:59:43
My general opinion of Kenny before he went on loan was that he was "solid." No more, no less. Glad to hear he's doing well for Schalke. We'd be foolish to sell him without at least seeing what he can do first.
Tom Bowers
58 Posted 15/01/2020 at 18:19:32
He was a decent defender with a lot to learn and if Everton have kept tabs on his Bundesliga form they may want to take him back for the future as Seamus is past the great player he was since his injury and Sidibe is a little inconsistent.
John Cartwright
59 Posted 15/01/2020 at 19:16:05
Good player. We need him back. Other areas need to be addressed first.
John Keating
60 Posted 15/01/2020 at 19:16:10
I've also watched most of Schalke's games on the telly and Jonjoe Kenny has not let himself or his team down in any way.

We have to get him back next season and play him. Why waste the little money we have for signings on Sidibe when we have a good local lad already here?

Mike Gaynes
61 Posted 15/01/2020 at 19:29:07
Steve #13 and Annika #14, I'll bet you both that if Sidibe and Kenny go head-to-head for the RB spot next season, Sidibe wins out. I like JJK very much and think we should keep him, but Sidibe has qualities he doesn't.

Brian #40, tackling? Passing? Are you kidding? Sidibe has played just over half our games, and he's our leading tackler -- one of only five players in the Prem to be averaging more than 3.5 tackles a game. He's a ballwinner five levels above Kenny. And he's also leading us in assists, and it's not just his crosses... he's an exceptional dribbler and passer on the ground in the attacking end, which JJK is not.

My view is that Sidibe's problem -- defensive positioning -- can be coached away, as Moyes did with Coleman. And as Carl says above, £13m for a player as talented as Sidibe is an absolute steal in today's market.

I say sign Sidibe and keep both. If one of our RBs is deemed excess to requirements, I believe it will be Seamus.

Si Miles
62 Posted 15/01/2020 at 19:30:22
Good Luck to him hope he does well, he's not the quality of player we need to progress.
John Keating
63 Posted 15/01/2020 at 19:51:59

Don't you think that a 27-year-old, £13 million-pound French international right-back should already know about defensive positioning? Bit late in the day to coach him in that art, isn't it?

I would have thought a younger local lad who will cost us nothing could be coached out of any faults he may have a lot easier and earlier.

Mike Gaynes
64 Posted 15/01/2020 at 20:08:34
John #63, I don't know what system Sidibe played at Monaco or Lille, or what his responsibilities were. What I do know is that he's played less than 1100 minutes at RB in the Prem -- under three different managers and systems -- which is nowhere near enough to adjust to the higher demands of this league.

What I also know is that chalking up 51 tackles and 4 assists in those mere 1100 minutes bespeaks a level of talent that could not possibly be coached into Jonjoe Kenny. Sidibe's talent is something Carlo could leverage.

So I still say keep both and let 'em fight it out. And I'll still bet the mortgage on Sidibe winning out. Or maybe Sidibe winds up at RM.

Sam Hoare
65 Posted 15/01/2020 at 20:09:28
I’m with Mike G.

Kenny has been good but far from amazing; his tackles, interceptions, passing and crossing figures are not that impressive I’m afraid. He’s been helped by playing in a team that is setup pretty defensively.

Sidibe has been good for the most part. Whoscored has him as our second best player statistically. He definitely has his faults and positioning is among them. I’m not convinced at his age that will improve massively. I also wonder about his mentality; would he maintain high standards after completing a full transfer or fall off? I don’t see that fire in him that I’d like to.

If I’m totally honest I think whilst both Kenny and Sidibe are solid options neither truly inspires me with confidence. Brands spoke last night about needing to work on the ‘right hand side’ and perhaps he agrees with me.

Christy Ring
66 Posted 15/01/2020 at 20:30:12
Kenny will blossom after his year in Germany, and should be first choice next season. I cannot understand all the praise for Sidibe, ok he's good going forward, but a full back's first priority, is being able to defend, and Sidibe has been caught out, ball watching, instead of watching his man, Coleman is a better defender.
Dave Abrahams
67 Posted 15/01/2020 at 20:32:02
Mike (64), do me a favour, tell your wife what you intend to do, before putting your mortgage on Sidibe keeping Jonjoe out of the team.

I like the three right-backs, Seamus you couldn't help dislike him but possibly age and that bad leg break have taken him past his best days; but he's still useful as a squad player.

Sidibe surprised me on Saturday with how poor he was, especially his passing. I put that down to an off day, he has good qualities, going forward he finds his teammates with his passing and links up well with them, got to say he forgets his defensive duties and the the man he is marking too often for my liking.

Jonjoe Kenny has never had a good run in a settled team at Everton and he is still learning the game, but his passing is very good, on the floor and finding his man with measured centres in the air and on the floor, also finding time to shout at some of his teammates when they were floundering, one of them, a senior player didn't have a clue versus Wolves last season.

Of course Kenny has faults, same as all players, young and old, players never stop learning, but he will iron some them out the more he plays, his German team are paying him and Everton now to make him a better player, which he will become the more he plays.

Steve Ferns
68 Posted 15/01/2020 at 20:50:50
Mike, Sidibe was encouraged by Jardim to attack with reckless abandon for Monaco, knowing he had the Fabinho insurance policy. He was not the same player after recovering from injury and with Fabinho gone. Monaco also lost nearly all of their best players so that didn't help.

I would agree that we keep both. I think I must have seen a lot more of Kenny than you, due to you not having a high opinion of him. All those who saw him at youth level rave about him, those who saw him first for the first team are less impressed.

I would say the former see him more like Coleman, whereas the latter seem to view him more like Hibbert. In the England u20 World Cup win, Kenny was viewed as the best England player throughout the tournament by most reporters. His ability to get up and down the flank, to drive England forward from fullback and whip a ball in from deep where central to England success.

There's room for both in the Everton side next season and you can even play them in the same team. I'd also say there's still room for Coleman. Especially if Sidibe is used instead of Baines to deputise for Digne. Also, Coleman can play on the right side of a back three to decent effect as he has demonstrated. I'd effectively replace Baines with Kenny.

Sam, I think Brands was talking about the lack of a right-sided midfielder in a 4-4-2. Richarlison does not fit into a midfield in a 4-4-2, it's too deep for him, even if he can “do a job”. Instead, he'll be up top. Bernard is more comfortable on the left, even though he is right-footed.

Iwobi would need to show he can fit into such a formation but other than wide midfield, I can't see him doing so. He doesn't score enough or finish well enough to play up top and dropping off to pull the strings would only work if Richarlison is the one sacrificed. Walcott isn't the best and he's basically all we have. That said, it's also the position I expect Anthony Gordon to come and take, though he may play up top once he establishes himself.

Mike Gaynes
69 Posted 15/01/2020 at 20:53:52
Dave #67, my wife wants to sell the house anyway!

Yep, Sidibe did have a stinker on Saturday, his first... but I try not the judge a player on either his worst game or his best.

Just reading about Spurs bagging Fernandes on an 18-month loan to replace Sissoko. Good addition by Jose. What do you think, Steve?

Also Steve, thanks, that was my recollection of Sidibe at Monaco as well, but I only saw him twice. Think he can learn the defensive role. And hey, I like JJK a lot, I've watched him at Schalke about four times and was impressed. I have also liked him for us. So I do want to keep him. I just think Sidibe brings more diverse offerings to the table.

But not, repeat not, as a deputy left back. No.

Steve Ferns
70 Posted 15/01/2020 at 20:59:27
Mike, I said on the other thread that he’d be a good signing, he’s just not what we need right now. We need what he’ll be in 12 months time. From what I’ve seen, if he can adapt to the physicality, he’ll be a terrific player.

No idea why he keeps getting listed as a winger. He’s a defensive midfielder who can win the ball and dribble forwards at pace. It’s like having two players. He’s a bit like what JP Gbamin was billed as.

Steve Ferns
71 Posted 15/01/2020 at 21:04:26
Mike, you make it sound like I’m saying he’s only ever allowed to play left back! If he’s Digne’s deputy, how many games would he have played at left back this season? Three? Meantime he can still be getting games at right back! It just means if he’s on the pitch he shuffles to left back and Kenny comes on or if he’s on the bench he can come on for either fullback!

Remember a young Phil Neville was on the bench often for Man Utd and played both left and right back, coming on frequently, playing lots of games due to his versatility.

our own Alessandro Pistone was a right back who could play left back and ended up always playing left back. I think we hardly ever saw him on the right for us.

Phil Malone Jnr
72 Posted 15/01/2020 at 21:39:59
Daniel 32. Absolutely spot on
Tommy Carter
73 Posted 15/01/2020 at 21:50:50
Sidibe and Kenny are light-years apart in terms of their ability.

I'm gobsmacked at some of the comments on here regarding Kenny. It does make me wonder how much of him people have seen him play?

Take the youth football out of the equation. Immediately.

I even saw a more reserved opinion of him still say that he is ‘solid'. I wouldn't even describe him as that.

He is consistently caught out of position, wrong side and in positions to make desperate lunges towards crosses and shots.

He tackles with intent but is not physical enough to be intimidating as an opponent in any way.

He is a willing header of the ball but in now way anywhere near able to dominate in the air.

As a free and homegrown player I wouldn't mind him in the squad so that he could fill in during times of desperate need. But if anybody is willing to offer £5m plus for this player then we simply have to cash in immediately.

Particularly if this offsets against a permanent move for Sidibe which would effectively make that an £8m signing.

Phil Malone Jnr
74 Posted 15/01/2020 at 22:11:00
Tommy, you’re entitled to your opinion. As I have been told in the past. I agree, Sidibe is looking like a top loan signing. But jonjo kenny is playing out of his skin out there. 5m? just sounds like you’re trying to prove a point there. Albeit a terribly silly point. If the boss doesn’t see a point in keeping him on, then fair enough. But he seems like a developing player for me. Not a potential starter week in week out. Sidibe looks a starting right back. I’d have Kenny on loan again next season, sidebe starting (permanent signing) and Coleman as a backup. Sell Kenny for 5+m, ridiculous fella lol
Gerry Ring
75 Posted 15/01/2020 at 22:15:03
Reading through the comments here, it never ceases to amaze me how our “players” are always better when they aren’t playing for us. I like Kenny but he was very average when he played last season. I’ve no doubt the loan move has improved him but to elevate him to a level he hasn’t reached is pure daft. “Far away hills are green”
Danny Broderick
76 Posted 15/01/2020 at 22:38:05
Kenny left us as a boy and he is going to come back as a man. He can only benefit from living abroad and regular football. It would be extremely premature to consider letting him go. He won the World Cup at his age level with England - he must have something about him!
Mark Pringle
77 Posted 15/01/2020 at 23:17:16
Coleman's been a loyal servant but he's finished. Bring Kenny back and let him fight it out with Sidibe for RB. £14m for world cup winner not a bad deal but I trust Carlo to get it right, he will know who he wants.
Jim Jennings
78 Posted 15/01/2020 at 23:41:54
This is largely a copy / paste from a post I put on an unrelated thread a few weeks back so apologies for the duplication.

I live close to Gelsenkirchen and have seen most Schalke games this season. He’s been pretty solid and has (I think) started every league game.

There’s been one or two games where he has had a hard time of it - the 0-3 defeat at home to FC Bayern early on comes to mind - but that’s part of the learning curve and let’s hope he comes through it stronger. Generally though, he has impressed and David Wagner is a fan.

The Schalke fans I know, work with etc have been pleasantly surprised how well he’s settled in. He’s playing in front of a good young keeper (club captain and about to join FC Bayern on a Bosman as Neuer’s long-term successor, incidentally) and his team mates all speak a decent level of English, which helps a lot.

There are areas for improvement such as I think he tucks in too tight and leaves space out wide, plus he seems reluctant to overlap at times but perhaps that’s him playing to instruction.

I’m still not convinced yet that he’s good enough to slot into an Everton side with ambitions of top six etc but he still has half a season to go. Here’s hoping.

We all see different things in different players but from my view, there’s a whiff of “local blue” bias in some of the posts above. I’ve certainly not seen this high quality crossing that some posters have mentioned.

Seamus is going nowhere in the summer and Sidibe at the rumoured £13m is a no-brainer so I wouldn’t be surprised to see JJK’s loan extended by another season.

He gets asked about his future regularly in tv interviews and as you would expect, gives the standard “I’m just focusing on playing until end of the season” response.

PS the pronunciations and “analysis” in that YouTube link posted earlier in this thread are cringeworthy. It made me think of one poster who is more prolific than me on these pages and why he dismisses these “fan boy websites” for the nonsense they are.

Justin Doone
79 Posted 15/01/2020 at 00:02:57
Kenny like Holgate, Davies and DCL is a good player with plenty of potential to improve if he works hard and is coached well.

He's at the age where he needs game time to learn and improve. In another year or two I think he'll be a very good player.

However, he's not going to be world class. But most of our squad are not. So until we get to an elite level Kenny should be kept and played or loaned out.

Why, because he's good enough for us and where we are / realistically going to be in the next couple of seasons ie challenging the top 4 to 6.

People argue Kenny is defensively weak. I would argue he's a better defender than Sidibe and on a par with Coleman.

But it's about end product. Final decision making and executing the killer pass or cross.

Kenny is without doubt one of our best crossers of the ball, especially from open play. Along with first touch and passing these are his strengths.

I think that is why Ancelotti will play him next season. However, he could be sold before Ancelotti gets a good look at him for £12M+ which I think would be a shame.

Coleman is still good enough to do a good job. His final ball has always let him down but with a more productive right winger this would be less of an issue.

Sidibe isn't good enough to play as a RB in a 442 against top teams or attacking teams that exploit the space behind him. Until the team improve, this is a massive issue.

I like him, he's playing well but I'd be disappointed if we couldn't get a better RB. And the whole scouting network should be shunted if they can't find a better right sided midfielder.

Keep Kenny and Coleman, let Sidibe go but find a proper right sided midfielder that has pace, energy and can pass and cross.

Justin Doone
80 Posted 16/01/2020 at 00:10:46
In a 4-4-2 I would like to see if Siggy could play in a Beckham like right midfield role.

He doesn't need to beat a player, simply work hard up and down the flank, finding space and putting in good crosses.

Surely that is more suited to his style and skill set than playing left wing or deep lying defensive midfielder?

Just a thought..

Jamie Crowley
81 Posted 16/01/2020 at 00:13:30
Keep JJK and Coleman.

Save the 13 million on a bang average RB in Sidibe. Don't sign him, send him back. He's seriously not worth 13 million (the number I've seen batted about for signing him).

JJK starts next season. Ancelotti coaches him up.

Peter Gorman
82 Posted 16/01/2020 at 00:22:03
So basically we all just see what we want to see. By all means don't rate Kenny, what with us having "top six" pretensions and all, but advocating Sidibe as a 'no-brainer' at 13 mil? How is he going to get up into the top six?

I like Sidibe as a fellow; it was not lost on me that he alone had the balls to applaud the away end at Mordor. But is he supposed to learn the art of defending at his age?

I saw him on his debut for us (against the mighty Lincoln City) and he certainly improved as the game went on. But he was all sixes and sevens for their first goal, as he was against some 16 year old kid playing for the RS.

Go with both if you have to, but advocating Sidibe over Kenny suggests that there is as much of an "exotic bias" as a "local" one.

Peter Gorman
83 Posted 16/01/2020 at 00:22:03
So basically we all just see what we want to see. By all means don't rate Kenny, what with us having "top six" pretensions and all, but advocating Sidibe as a 'no-brainer' at 13 mil? How is he going to get up into the top six?

I like Sidibe as a fellow; it was not lost on me that he alone had the balls to applaud the away end at Mordor. But is he supposed to learn the art of defending at his age?

I saw him on his debut for us (against the mighty Lincoln City) and he certainly improved as the game went on. But he was all sixes and sevens for their first goal, as he was against some 16 year old kid playing for the RS.

Go with both if you have to, but advocating Sidibe over Kenny suggests that there is as much of an "exotic bias" as a "local" one.

Graham Hammond
84 Posted 16/01/2020 at 03:00:40
Justin at 80. I can see where you are coming from with regards to Sigurdsson on the right-hand side of a midfield four but what worries me about this player is his poor ability or reluctance to find space and to open up angles to receive the ball and prevent loss of possession. He is by no means the only culprit, it is commonplace at Everton and needs to be addressed. Contrast Sigurdsson with Gareth Barry, despite being slow, GB would never hide and nearly always understood straight away (speed of thought and footballing intelligence) exactly where he needed to be at any given time to help a teammate and give the team maximum chance of keeping possession. Gylfi has qualities for sure but I think we should be trying to offload him in this current window while he still has some resale value.
Graham Hammond
85 Posted 16/01/2020 at 03:14:23
Keep Kenny and bring him back, he has qualities lacking in the current squad that we need to go forward, he is still young so hopefully, he can kick on as DCL and Holgate already have. I believe we should be doing everything in our power to keep Sidibe also, a very versatile player who despite his inconsistency has also shown real quality. Seamus as back up to Kenny and Sidibe for next season for me.
Sam Hoare
86 Posted 16/01/2020 at 07:26:41
Steve@68; I think it’s telling that Brands used the word side instead of wing.

He will have been watching Kenny closely and I wonder if he sees some flaws like I do. He’s not that quick, fairly short and often beaten in the air he seldom beats a man and though his crossing is decent his passing is not great at all and his completion rate of 74% is one of the lowest in the Schalke team.

He was a very good youth player and is still young but I don’t yet see a complete full back able to hold down a place in a PL team with top 4 aspirations.

James Stewart
87 Posted 16/01/2020 at 11:17:58
While I think Sidibe was an excellent loan signing I’m not sure I would be in favour of signing him long term. It would all depend on the wages involved. 14m plus 100k p/w doesn’t really represent value.

Kenny’s technique concerns me but he has shown enough to be given a chance, so it would be very hasty to sell him at this stage.

Billy Dawber
88 Posted 17/01/2020 at 04:50:47
One thing I would consider is Sidibe is French so therefore another foreigner trying to make it in the prem. Kenny is has scouse as you can get, young and still eager to make it on the bigger stage, loyal and understands the Everton way. It's a no brainer to me. I do love keeping it British and especially scouse British, if there is such a thing. Too many foreigners for me. Lets see more young local lads coming through the ranks please!
Billy Roberts
89 Posted 17/01/2020 at 19:54:41
Tommy @73
You often speak a lot of sense on TW, but I think you should at least own up to underestimating how settled Kenny would become at Schalke.
I seem to remember you confidently predicting he would be lucky to get into double figures for appearances or something close to it.
I'm sure Mike Gaynes offered you a bet on it but you declined.
We wont be sure how well he could do at Everton until he is given a chance again surely and I can see only positives in him and Sidibe fighting it out.. To say you would accept £5 million for him in 2020 is just ridiculous and further undermines your opinion on Jonjoe Kenny.
I take it you are not a football agent Tommy ? £5million ??
Terry Farrell
90 Posted 18/01/2020 at 10:42:51
Saw the top of the table clash Schalke v borrussia monchengladbach last night which schalke won 2 nil in front of 62.5k full house. Jonjo gave a good account of himself against powerful opposition and was positionaly excellent full of running and kept possession well. Schalke is a young team with 5 or 6 cracking players. Impressed.
Jim Hardin
91 Posted 19/01/2020 at 03:34:48
Big fan of Jonjo and I hope he stays at Schalke to play for Wagner and alongside Weston McKennie (American international). Everton should sell him and put a buy-back or sell-on clause in the deal. I see no sense in him being forced to give up a starting spot on a CL quality team to come back and sit on the bench.

For those who don't get to see him play for Schalke, or who have questioned his crossing and passing, take a look at this article from November 21, 2019. Remember, the Bundesliga takes a winter break so not too many fixtures have passed since the date of publication. It is a detailed analysis of the player:

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