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Vecino talk continues

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Speculation that Everton are seeking a deal with Inter Milan for winger Matias Vecino has not abated with the latest reports from Italy indicating that the Blues have already offered the player a contract.

The 28-year-old has been linked with a move to Goodison for much of the current transfer window and has also been mentioned in connection with Tottenham but it's worth mentioning that his name was out there when Carlo Ancelotti stressed that the names being raised in the media with regard to Everton were wrong.

Journalist Nicolo Schira has tweeted in the past 24 hours that negotiations with Inter and the Toffees are at an advanced stage with the former looking for the latter to raise their offer from €15m to €20m (~£17m). He says that Everton have tabled a four-year deal for the player.



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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:28:13
Surely only a stop-gap solution until the summer?
Brian Williams
2 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:53:15
Expensive stopgap Col! I'd rather save the £15-17m for the summer than bring in a 28 year old this week.
Think we'll be ok this season anyway.
Mike Gaynes
3 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:57:37
We should be borrowing at this point, not buying. At that price I'd rather have him on loan.
Kevin Jones
4 Posted 25/01/2020 at 18:59:14
Are we still doing this?? Getting in players that aren't quite good enough for their current team. Please let's not do another Sigurdsson... paying over the odds. Look at his history – honestly average.
Steve Shave
5 Posted 25/01/2020 at 19:07:32
Box to boxer, fair bit of experience including being a regular in the national side. He was hailed as the next big thing 6-7 years ago, didn't quite match the promise but had a really good career to date. If we could get him on a 6 month loan that would be a no brainer for me. Sign Everton from Gremio and that would represent a good window. This summer is going to be very interesting.
Peter Hopkins
6 Posted 25/01/2020 at 19:15:56
Sign him on loan with a view to a permanent,I think this deal is dependent on when Eriksen signs for inter
Robert Tressell
7 Posted 25/01/2020 at 20:48:07
As boring as it is to make no signings, anything spent now just robs us of transfer kitty and FFP allowance in summer. With the midfield playing some v good football, not a huge urgency. This guy is good but doesn't give the impression that he'd take us to new heights.

I'd sooner see Baningime get one last chance than this. Carlo has done very well with the squad at his disposal. Why not just wait? There’ve been very few transfers of note in the last few weeks. Why even have a January window?

Andrew Ellams
8 Posted 25/01/2020 at 21:09:53
Don't much about him but it is a position we desperately need to strengthen.
Paul Birmingham
9 Posted 25/01/2020 at 21:40:01
Interesting times, and a few more days to go.

I know more of Allan, and for me he’s a proven player, may be better, but has a couple of years on Vecino.

It’s for an intrigue now, in view of the FFP ground rules, plus Marcels modus operandi, but also surely In the current plight, that Don Carlos, Will should preside, as the final descision maker, on who comes in.

Based on our injury crisis in midfield, either referenced players would be good, but the board, will have some daft offset plan, to surely balance such buys in this window.

It’s good the club is looking to strengthen and hopefully lessons learnt.

Optimism and reality, but with a top boss, I'm sure we now have more pulling power than for the last 30 years.

Now to find the next Gerd Muller, or Henrik Larsen, and we will be able to beat the so called top 6.

Colin Glassar
10 Posted 25/01/2020 at 21:56:12
Allan would be brilliant. A real talent in midfield who'd really energise our team. If Vecino is half as good we'll be pleased.
Tony Everan
11 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:07:16
With Gbamin and Gomes to come back over the next few months I would have thought a loan deal with with the option to buy would have been the best business for the club. This guy is 28, no resale, no guarantee he'll settle on Merseyside.

Paying £15-20m for Vecino is too much and will be more cash spunked down the u-bend. Get the lad in on loan, let's have a look at him first (and vice versa) or walk away.

If it doesn't work out that's £20m towards a top 23- or 24-year-old CM in the summer.

Andrew Ellams
12 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:14:20
Any reason we couldn't have Allan, Vecino, Gomes and Gbamin in the squad and sell off Davies, Delph, Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin to make way?
Paul Birmingham
13 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:19:38
Andrew @11, yes in the perfect world, but to get any proper players over the line this window will be some achievement.

Dark forces, as ever, are always in play, and I hope the rumours about Timo Werner, are just media BS... but it would be brilliant if he arrived at GP!

Iain Johnston
14 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:39:24
If it's just a stop gap why not go for Wanyama at Spurs for around £5m?
Andrew Ellams
15 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:44:26
Paul, of course it would have to happen between now and next season, especially because of the situation with Gomes and Gbamin. But healthy squad competition is a big part of being successful.
Anthony Murphy
16 Posted 25/01/2020 at 22:55:15
What difference would he make this season? Unless this is Carlo’s number one target, we are best hanging on until the summer.
Rob Young
17 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:02:54
Robert #6, did you really say our midfield is playing very good football? My word, our midfield is completely fucking useless.

I want to be in Europe next season so anyone we can get in there can't come soon enough for me.

Fran Mitchell
18 Posted 25/01/2020 at 23:12:51
If he's got the quality, I don't mind his age. 28 ain't exactly old, again, with the quality, he's got 5 years at the top of his game.

I don't know much about him, but we are weak in the middle, and £17m in today's market won't even get a Championship midfielder.

Same with Allen, despite my time in Brazil, this is a player who has completely passed me by. But if he's got the quality we need, and we really need it, and centre mid is a position where experience counts, and depending on the style, 28-33 are the best years

Paul Birmingham
19 Posted 26/01/2020 at 00:11:15
There was a time and they said a footballer reaches his peak at 28.

Times, science, global warming etc and this is not always the case. I really hope we get Allan, Vecino and perhaps both.

Dreaming on... In Carlo, we trust.

Simon Harrison
20 Posted 26/01/2020 at 01:02:18
There is a guy at Nantes FC who could be a good fit, if we could get him on loan. One Ludovic Blas, an elegant CM, who can play AM and RM, with a very educated left foot.

He's only started 15 games, and played 16; but he's got 5 goals and an assist. Plus he played his way up thru the French system to U20s.

Ludo is only 22, and is valued at, or around £8 - £8.5m. The sticking point is, that he has signed a deal to 2024. If a loan, and option to buy was available, he'd solve or RM problem at a stroke. Plus he's french, so he'd fit in with Digne, Sidibe, Gbamin and Delph.

Looking at him, he has vision, and works hard, again a failing might be the lack of assists, but he is waayyy better than what we have now.

David Pearl
21 Posted 26/01/2020 at 06:45:49
Simon,

Delph's French accent is so thick, not even Gbamin, Sidibe and Digne can tell what he's saying. Doubt Ludo would be for loan and available so cheaply. All we do is hope that the club finally get it right and bring in players that can do the business from day 1, and not month 4 as is usually the case.

Jim Bennings
22 Posted 26/01/2020 at 07:56:28
Ancelotti will want his own players in ASAP.

He’s probably already seen enough of the likes of Davies, Schneiderlin, Delph, Sigurdsson, Coleman and Walcott to know there’s only so far that these limitation men will take you.

I would not be surprised either to see him pursuing a new keeper in summer, Pickford probably needs a virtually error free three months now to convince the manager because frankly his behaviour has been erratic for 18 months and his decision making that of a certified man.

Whoever the manager pursues we need to bring in quality capable of winning more games, keeping more clean sheets and being mentally braver than we have seen from this group.

I think at least six regular first teamers need replacing with better players.

Robert Tressell
23 Posted 26/01/2020 at 08:30:26
Rob 16, I said 'some' very good football! I'm not trying to be OTT. Obviously it's a weak area. Players like Vecino and Can are very good. Not great but better than what we have. But both would be high earners and would be dropping down a couple of notches to play for us.

I'd rather we waited till summer to buy someone on the up in the 22 to 24 age group. Otherwise, we stockpile under-motivated players who we can't shift. In the meantime, let Carlo improve the group we have with good coaching. Might turn out an unlikely star or two (as per Holgate).

Mark Murphy
24 Posted 26/01/2020 at 08:54:37
Jim Bennings talks sense. We finally bring in a top, top manager and then people criticise his possible signings before they even happen. I'm 99% sure Carlo would not have taken the job without Assurances he would pick his squad and I'm 100% sure he'll know players who are better than the current lot!

The last 6 or so games will have given him a good look at some of our weaknesses and the likes of Walcott, Niasse, Keane, Davies, Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin's days are numbered. Trust this manager – he's what we need!

Eddie Dunn
25 Posted 26/01/2020 at 09:13:11
Mark, we shall see what Carlo makes of this group come the summer. I fully expect him to make some surprising choices as to who stay and who goes. He will be considering his options and his transfer kitty might be significantly less than the last two summers.

Offloading players will be down to Brands, and he did quite well shifting guys out (including loans) last summer. However, Carlo has no magic wand and will have to work with what Brands can provide.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Schniederlin featuring in his midfield next season. Also, it will be some time before we know whether Gomes and Gbamin will be rehabilitated. It will take a few transfer windows for the new boss to make the team his own.

Jeff Armstrong
26 Posted 26/01/2020 at 09:19:13
What concerns me with all the transfer rumours is that no teams have been linked to OUR players, no chance of Walcott going to Palace? Schneiderlin to Saints?... No, nothing, not a whiff. We are stuck with the deadwood and bringing in new players now only bloats the squad even more, as well as the wage bill.
Carl Manning
27 Posted 26/01/2020 at 10:48:21
Jeff we can't afford to lose either of those 2 in this window. We're one more injury away In midfield from a full-blown crisis. If Carlo doesn't add, you can bet no one of the current midfielders will be allowed to leave.

It's okay to say "Play the kids, this season is a write-off anyway..." but it's not. 5th and 6th are there to play for. It would take one thing we have struggled with, a big fat dose of consistency, but the chance is still there. If we can somehow hit a European place, then we may see the pull of Carlo in full swing in the summer market. We have to finish in the table as high as possible, it will help sell the club in the summer to better players.

Rob Halligan
28 Posted 26/01/2020 at 11:10:11
If Ancelotti wants to sign players this window, then we should make sure he gets them. Whilst I agree no signings are essential right now, the same players valuation could see an extra few million added on in the summer, and also we all know how late in the summer we buy players, (we could miss out on them).

Get them in now, get to know their new team mates, the system Ancelotti wants to play, then an early start to a good pre-season and away we go next season. Obviously, we hope there will be new signings in the summer, but as I say, the players valuation will increase and also there will be competition for players bought in the summer.

David Ellis
29 Posted 26/01/2020 at 11:33:30
Do we never learn? Buying new players is not the way to redemption. Today's shiny new toy is next week's deadwood.

We need to be very careful about new signings. The manager's job is to get the best out of the expensively assembled squad that we have. Let Carlo work with them this season and we can look at refreshing things in the summer (when at least Niasse will drop off the wage bill).

Last time we spent big in January, we got Tosun and Walcott. Both now considered by many on here as deadwood.

Simon Smith
30 Posted 26/01/2020 at 13:38:56
TransferMarkt has him linked to Spurs, with no mention of us. I don't know a great deal about the player to be honest.

I know from looking at his stats, we certainly wouldn't be buying him for goals.

Stephen Davies
31 Posted 26/01/2020 at 14:50:55
He's not in the Inter Squad today...
Mark Tanton
32 Posted 26/01/2020 at 15:06:36
Ahhh, love a good mysterious squad omission!
Brian Wilkinson
33 Posted 26/01/2020 at 15:40:03
Now saying the player is wanting to come to Everton and a deal is close, just a bit of haggling over the final amount of the transfer fee.

Looks like this one is a goer.

Robert Tressell
34 Posted 26/01/2020 at 15:44:12
Vecino is a very tidy player. Gets stuck in, has a bit of drive and uses possession well but simply and good at retaining possession. Nothing flashy.

Easy to undervalue these players – because possession is an effective (albeit dull) form of defence and it also helps deliver the ball to players who can hurt the opposition in attack.

He'd be fine on loan – may help sneak us into the Europa League which would be good – and fair enough, Carlo is wiser than I am if he wants him now for circa £20m.

But I kind of feel this sort of high-earning short-termist signing is what has been so counter-productive in the period since Moyes left – players with no room to improve and kick on... like Bolasie, Schneiderlin, Walcott, Tosun, Sigurdsson.

On paper, all looked better than what we had – and looked set to improve the side. Apart from a few flashes, none have really done the business and we just can't shift them because their wages are too high for other clubs to take on.

Drew O'Neall
35 Posted 26/01/2020 at 15:44:28
We don't sign 28-year-old journeymen on 4-year contracts, do we? 🤔
Mark Tanton
36 Posted 26/01/2020 at 15:46:55
Finally, a replacement for Idrissa?
Brian Wilkinson
37 Posted 26/01/2020 at 15:51:45
I do not pay too much attention to stats, especially total passes. How many times do you see players tap the ball to a team mate, then back again, normally resulting in those 2 players making 4 passes each, in the space of ten seconds, without an opponent anywhere near?
Clarence Yurcan
38 Posted 26/01/2020 at 16:24:53
FWIW, his Wikipedia page lists him as an Everton player, though of course anyone can change those...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mat%C3%ADas_Vecino

Simon Smith
39 Posted 26/01/2020 at 16:35:29
Have you been updating Wikipedia, Clarence?
Mike Gaynes
40 Posted 26/01/2020 at 16:45:16
Yep, and the Wikipedia entry says he's been given Number 8.

I thought we retired that number after Oviedo.

Sam Hoare
41 Posted 26/01/2020 at 16:56:14
This seems to be gaining traction in media but I wonder if it's all just his agent fishing for other bites.

He's a decent player but quite similar to Gomes in profile (albeit a better tackler). A loan would make sense. Though these days £10-15m is I guess seen as a ‘low fee'.

Buying 28-year-olds is not really Brands's modus operandi and, like others, I think I'd rather keep our powder dry for the summer unless it's a loan or a cut-price move.

Derek Knox
42 Posted 26/01/2020 at 17:11:31
Sam @ 41, tend to agree there and would rather it was a loan with an option to buy at a pre-agreed price. We can then see, as he can as well, if he's cut out for the Premier League.

Otherwise, it's another on the payroll, which we are allegedly trying to reduce, plus if he is a flop, and we buy him outright, we are again stuck with more deadwood!

I would rather see news on Everton Soares to be honest, even if it is not to be till the Summer.

Brian Williams
43 Posted 26/01/2020 at 17:12:42
Mike #40.

I think Barkley had the number 8 before he left, didn't he? And Delph wears it now!

Derek Knox
44 Posted 26/01/2020 at 17:22:42
Brian @43, in the words of Rod Stewart, does he Wear it Well? :-)
Mike Gaynes
45 Posted 26/01/2020 at 17:37:11
I know, Brian, I know... I just need to give occasional voice to my hero worship of Baby!
Tom Bowers
46 Posted 26/01/2020 at 18:22:21
It's all about blend. No good having good players if you cannot get them to blend together, with a system that works.

Everton have many good players, some who just don't fit in, and others who are just underachievers. Carlo has been giving most of the squad some game time and I am sure he now knows who he wants around for next season.

Baningame is the odd one out at the moment and I can only assume he hasn't performed too well in the Under-23s or wherever.

We have seen Gomes and Gbamin is back in training but neither of these will be brought back too soon. Carlo may indeed have some names he wants to let go and therefore may want a player or two to replace them.

We shall see what happens in the next few days if anything.

Soren Moyer
47 Posted 26/01/2020 at 19:28:30
Also according to a few news outlets, Niasse is in talks with the club for a 3-year extension! NOT lol.
Brian Wilkinson
48 Posted 26/01/2020 at 20:49:31
Let's take it easy with Gomes and Gbamin until March; then, if needed, reel them out for the Goodison derby.
Clarence Yurcan
49 Posted 26/01/2020 at 23:47:53
Haha Simon, I have not!
Gavin Johnson
50 Posted 27/01/2020 at 01:35:45
Vecino is a player who can be a box-to-box midfielder. He is a tall and has quite a bit of pace so he'll be able to carry the ball better than any other player we currently have, except maybe Gbamin, but at 28 will he lose some of that pace in the next couple of years?!

He can also do the holding midfielder role and keep play ticking along, but he'll be another pass the ball sideways merchant. As I say, Vecino is better as a ball carrier and tackler. He should be a good signing at around £15m.

Simon Dalzell
51 Posted 27/01/2020 at 03:23:37
Really hope this happens. He looks very good. (Not Robert's idea of very good – #7.)
Brian Williams
52 Posted 27/01/2020 at 10:12:28
Soren #47.

You must have misread that, mate. He was actually in talks about a 3 "metre" extension. His phone charger couldn't reach the plug in the dressing room from his locker in the car park seemingly.

Francis van Lierop
53 Posted 27/01/2020 at 13:38:27
I guess a loan with an option to buy is best for us.

We do need good footballers in midfield, ones who can put their foot on the ball.

Steve Ferns
54 Posted 27/01/2020 at 15:25:17
"Speculation that Everton are seeking a deal with Inter Milan for winger Matias Vecino" - isn't this guy a central midfielder? I've never seen him play on the wing and found nothing to suggest otherwise.

I've seen him play quite a few times, as I have stated before. But he is not a player I have taken too much notice of. In other words, he did not do anything badly, or make mistakes, nor did he do anything outstanding. He just seems to be a Steady Eddie.

Coming in on loan would be a good idea. We need the numbers. However, as a £20m signing, at the age of 28, no, not for me. I prefer younger and on the way up, not struggling to get a game for a side who think Victor Moses, Ashley Young and Alexis Sanchez would make good signings! Of course they do have Lukaku and a load of top players (Nicolo Barella for example). With FFP issues, why not keep the money in the bank and see what happens with Gbamin and Gomes.

Tony Twist
55 Posted 27/01/2020 at 15:27:07
So hard to tell with this guy on YouTube, looks like a bit of a water carrier for me, not sure he could cope with the speed required for playing in the premier league. Loan only please.
Eddie Dunn
56 Posted 27/01/2020 at 15:42:33
Steve@54, do you or anyone else know how close Gbamin is to training properly? And when is Gomes expected to be fit?
Soren Moyer
57 Posted 27/01/2020 at 16:14:39
Brian @ 52, Didn't know he HAD his own locker lol!!!
Colin Glassar
58 Posted 27/01/2020 at 17:20:37
Steve 54, sometimes you just need a player to come in and do a job. If this guy can come in and shore up our porous MF, something Gbamin and Delph were supposed to do, then so be it.

I don’t care if he’s 28 (ancient I know) or 18. If they can be effective for a couple of seasons then welcome aboard. Personally, I don’t give a toss about their sell on value, that’s not my problem. I don’t want a team of spotty faced teenagers who “might” increase their value, or not, I want a team of men who can compete!

Paul Dewhurst
59 Posted 27/01/2020 at 17:37:07
Loan 2 Buy
Loan deal
Sell on fee
Age
You tube
FFP
Journeyman
People back from injury
All a load of excuses you lot have made not to buy him, Carlo IF he wants him then sound buy him. Not arsed about the details so bollocks
Christy Ring
60 Posted 27/01/2020 at 19:12:26
We badly need a defensive midfielder, with leadership qualities. Ancelotti must know him from his time in Italy, 28 isn't old, and he has to be an improvement on Delph/Schneiderlin, who have been very poor. He can also be competition for Gbamin, when he returns, the sooner the better.
Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 27/01/2020 at 19:20:45
The sad thing about all this Christy, is that I was reading a piece on Twitter, taken from a book written by or about Ancelotti, and the way he describes his midfielders, I got the impression that James McCarthy, would have been ideal for Everton, right now?
Mike Gaynes
62 Posted 27/01/2020 at 19:23:13
Well, Vecino's Wikipedia page has been changed back to showing his club as Inter.
Les Moorcroft
63 Posted 27/01/2020 at 20:33:39
Paul @59,

Spot on. Mike 62 meaning what?

Nigel Munford
64 Posted 27/01/2020 at 20:52:43
Oh to be 28 again and past it in my career!!
Christy Ring
65 Posted 27/01/2020 at 20:54:43
Thanks Tony, you know where I stand on Macca, and Delph is definitely not an upgrade
Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 27/01/2020 at 21:04:31
I don’t mind Delph, Christy, and also think he would have done okay alongside McCarthy. I suppose it’s because anyone is better than Schneiderlin, who definitely improved in his last game, but sadly still lacks the most important necessity for any good midfield player imo. Drive.
Steve Ferns
67 Posted 27/01/2020 at 21:13:26
It's not that 28 is old or past it, you guys miss the point.

Sigurdsson and Schniederlin were signed at 28. We cannot shift them. We are stuck with them because they are both the wrong side of 30 and no one wants to take them off our hands.

Moise Kean is 19, hadn't scored all season, but yet Italian clubs were queuing up, almost begging, to take him back to Italy.

Spot the difference? With a younger player there is always the chance to get your money back, Sandro Ramirez excepted.

If Vecino comes in for £20m and does well for 4 years, on a 4 year contract, and then leaves for nothing, then great, job done, money well spent. He might be the leader we need. He might be the one who can be Carlo's man on the pitch. The issue for me, with FFP a noose around our neck, is £20m now, on a 28 year old central midfielder (to go with our trio of 30 year old central midfielders), is asking for trouble. When Everton ask for trouble, trouble always delivers.

Roger Helm
68 Posted 27/01/2020 at 21:38:55
Is 28 that old? Gareth Barry was 32 when he joined us, playing in the same position, and he did a good job for us for about four years I think.
Steve Ferns
69 Posted 27/01/2020 at 21:44:34
Roger, Barry was even older, 33 to be precise. Barry came on loan, and was then signed permanently for free on expiration of his contracty. There was not much risk there, and he was the wise old head to play amongst the young midfield legs in McCarthy (23), Barkley (20), and Besic (21).

Contrast to now where we have Delph (30), Sigurdsson (30), and Schneiderlin (30) and the only other fit central midfielder is Tom Davies (21). If we spend £20m on this fella, we cannot afford for him to flop.

Colin Glassar
70 Posted 27/01/2020 at 21:53:26
Steve, we can’t get rid of Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Martina etc... is not due to their age but due to the simple fact that no one wants them!

Teams are queuing up for Cavani and he’s like really ancient at 34.

Steve Ferns
71 Posted 27/01/2020 at 21:59:58
Colin, we are talking about Matias Vecino. He is not Edinson Cavani. He is not, never has been, and never will be anything approaching world class.

Signing Vecino could go either way, he could be a good signing and worth every penny and more. There is a big risk, and that is this does not come off, he would be on big wages, and so no one would take him off our hands, like Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Delph. Then, with FFP biting us hard, we are stuffed in the summer as we do not have the funds to make a big move for the big players Ancelotti might be able to attract.

Do we really NEED this guy, or can we just tread water until the summer, see how Gomes and Gbamin are and then react with FFP easing off a little and with that extra £20m quid in our pocket?

Don Alexander
72 Posted 27/01/2020 at 22:09:30
To me there's very little point in signing CA if we don't provide him with the ingredient players to create what he so consistently creates, trophy winning teams. Never having heard of this lad is cause for me to worry he's more like mince than steak, and we've way too many mincing millionaire players already.
Paul Tran
73 Posted 27/01/2020 at 22:10:19
Steve, I'd like to find the player who is the cast-iron certainty to be what we need in midfield. Every player from overseas is a gamble, in terms of the pace & intensity of the game and settling over here.
Rob Young
74 Posted 27/01/2020 at 22:12:16
Surely Usmanov can find a few more things to sponsor for 20m?
Mike Gaynes
75 Posted 27/01/2020 at 22:12:48
Off-topic, watch for this ref to be in the Prem someday (never seen this before):

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/4041683/non-league-footballer-received-three-cards-in-12-seconds

Great officiating, and interestingly it was posted by the player's own club, which obviously has a sense of humor.

And some fine effort by the player himself, picking himself up from the first bad foul and sprinting 80 yards to commit the second. Taller version of Mo Besic.

Steve Ferns
76 Posted 27/01/2020 at 22:17:56
Paul, you are correct, but if Veinco was 23, not 28, then if the transfer flopped, like Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin, then we'd still be able to sell him and get most of our money back.

If you look at the really big clubs, then they do this:
- Andre Gomes signed for £33m and sold for £22m
- Lucas Digne signed for £15m and sold for £18m
- Yerry Mina signed for £10m and sold for £27m

Those three are considered flops. Pretty big ones in the case of Gomes and Mina. And yet, Barca made a profit on the flops for £9m. All because these guys were young enough that other teams down the pecking order fancied they could get a tune out of them.

Nicholas Ryan
77 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:01:10
Soren [47] '3-year extension for Niasse' presumably refers to the time it will take, to build his new kitchen!

As to players: if Carlo says they're good enough, then they're good enough!

Jay Harris
78 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:06:42
Steve,
Nobody wants a poor player no matter what their age.

If someone has a pedigree and I'm sure Ancelotti has seen a lot more of him than us and is better placed to make a judgement then surely we have to allow him some leeway.

At 28 he is hardly on his last legs.

I think its wrong to come on here and question the purchase of players we know nothing about so I'm prepared to wait and see.

Our current MF is threadbare so we need reinforcements now even if we don't get that world class player we all desire.

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:21:43
Jay, I’ve seen a little of him and he’s never stood out for me. Either in a good way or a bad way. If Carlo really wants him, then I’ll trust his judgment for sure. The issue is we are up against it with FFP and can not afford another ageing flop.

As for the midfield being threadbare, Gomes and Gbamin are back at Finch Farm, Baningime is playing games again, and Delph, Schneiderlin, and Davies are fit with Sigurdsson likely to be fit for the weekend. So do we really need another midfielder right now, in what is undoubtedly a sellers market?

Tom Bowers
80 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:21:52
You know guys the age and cost of a player doesn't necessarily equate to him being a success or failure.

One only has to look at what Leicester did not so long ago.
They had a no name manager who brought in some no name players who got the ball rolling for Mancini to eventually mold into a top class team.

Everton have indeed paid well over the odds for some big name players who started well but have disappointed since and gone through some managers(pretenders) who have not been able to make anything from the underachievers they have.

Leicester still have people like Vardy who can turn a game and they are still a much better outfit than Everton.

We now have a big name manager who is probably earning more than any of his predecessors who we all expect to make silk purse from a sow's ear.

He has had a little time to assess what he has and there is no excuse for having a clear out between now and next season.

Despite a couple of hiccups he has not done too badly so far.

If they can get a couple in now, all well and good as they will need a few games to get integrated into the Prem.

Alan Johnson
81 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:30:55
Surely... Carlo knows this guy and what he'll bring to the team. We really need experienced players with the know how to help out our young protegees. I can't understand the negatives. If we sign him this will be a measure of Carlo's judgement of incoming players. Which must be the way to go.
James Stewart
82 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:43:16
Signing this guy would be massively underwhelming. Not even an improvement on what we already have, which isn't great. Hoping this is just paper talk. Would be another expensive mistake.
Brian Wilkinson
83 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:52:20
If you change the name and put Everton chasing Relegated Villa midfielder Gaye, then you would get the same response of underwhelming or we should be aiming bigger.

If Carlo thinks this guy is good enough, then I am happy to trust his judgement.

Carl Manning
84 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:53:39
Every signing is a risk. Eden hazard has bombed at Real Madrid so far. Dembele and Coutinho both cost Barca over £100m each and both bombed.
Christy Ring
85 Posted 27/01/2020 at 23:58:16
As Alan @80 said, let Carlo decide, but I disagree with Steve @78, our midfield is totally inadequate, Delph and Schneiderlin are totally lacking, as strong defensive midfielders, and Sigurdsson is too lightweight, and no physical presence. Gomes and Gbamin are at least 6 weeks from first team football.
Steve Shave
86 Posted 28/01/2020 at 00:07:30
Sheffield Utd in negotiations with Genk for Sander Berge for £17M this lad is going to be some player, 21 years old, 6,5" and has a great passing range. He wont inject pace but surely worth considering? Price is that low (well in today's market anyway) because he has 1 year left on his contract with them.
Andy Crooks
87 Posted 28/01/2020 at 00:13:07
We need to, in my view, write off this season and regroup in the summer. Unless we are incredibly lucky and this guy is way, way better than he seems, we are storing up more trouble.
We need to take risks and hope to strike lucky. I prefer the Moise Kean type of risk.
Jay Harris
88 Posted 28/01/2020 at 00:13:15
Steve,
I was going to say exactly the same as Christy.

Gomes and Gbamin "may" get a little game time before the end of the season and we don't know at this stage whether they will be the same players. I am told that Gbamins type of injury will slow him down and he wasnt the quickest to begin with.

I would like to see Beni given a chance to show what he has got but again he is not nearly up to prem standard yet.

Let the clubs accountants worry about FPP I just want the best we can get asap and there is no doubt we are threadbare in MF right now and even if Iwobi is fit in a few weeks time we are really missing a "real presence" in the middle of the park.

Dave Abrahams
89 Posted 27/01/2020 at 00:14:02
Carlo might think this guy could do a good job for Everton, but he doesn’t know for sure because the lad has never played in the premier league, so it is a risk, I would sign Joe Allen from Stoke, obviously I don’t know how much he would cost, wouldn’t pay much more than £12M, but I would be confident he would do a good job for Everton because I have seen him often enough to be sure he would improve Everton’s woeful midfield, allowing for Dgamin time to make a full recovery from his injury, Gomes will give us one good game out of three if he makes a full recovery from his injury, as for Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson, make your own mind up about them, one doesn’t apply himself to play for ninety minutes and coasts through the game never breaking sweat and the other one’s best days are gone, Delph can still do a good job and Davies can’t be trusted at the present time, so if we don’t sign another midfield player full time or on loan in January then don’t expect much movement up the table.
Jay Harris
90 Posted 28/01/2020 at 00:32:15
Dave I would love to get Grealish or Cantwell from Norwich. I feel that Joe Allan is no longer up to prem standards but I respect your opinion.
Andrew Ellams
91 Posted 28/01/2020 at 01:40:51
The team needs a massive overhaul and I'd rather see that split over this window and the summer so some of the signings get time to bed in instead of introducing a whole bunch in August.
Bob Parrington
92 Posted 28/01/2020 at 02:09:10
Jay@90 Absolutely. Both very similar in style and application to the job
Graham Hammond
93 Posted 28/01/2020 at 02:41:28
I think Steve Ferns post at 67 was a good one and one I have to say that I agree with. I have not seen this lad play and he is in with a good chance of improving our Midfield given who we have currently but all considered it just seems too big a risk at present and more so given our financial constraints and the other areas of weakness in the team that need addressing also. I did not agree with Steve's opinion of Gana Gueye, did not agree with his opinions of Silva and did not even agree with his opinion of Besic who was cut down with a very serious injury. The great Howard Kendall was a big advocate of building from the back, the way forward, in my opinion, is to sort out the defence first and foremost and I include the Goalkeeper position in saying that. This is where the money needs to go to at least until we can offload the many (shit) Midfielders we currently have. Sort it please Marcel Brands and please keep your gob shut about Everton being unable to afford £60M players, you are not helping the club in any way with such idiotic, defeatist, unambitious utterings. Everton has paid £15 - £45M over and over again and bought mediocrity and crap, add up the money wasted! This has to stop. Quality only going forward please Mr.Brands or stick with the shite we have and the youngsters we have and coach them a little better.
Terence Leong
94 Posted 28/01/2020 at 04:56:27
I haven't seen the player at all.
But 15 to 17 million in today's market is not that pricey.
And as some have noted, we probably can't find anyone of high quality in the UK market with this price.

If we are talking about a central midfielder, then perhaps it doesn't make sense. For a winger though, we are talking about competing for a slot with Richarlison, Bernard, Iwobi, Walcott.

Based on the players here competing, I think it's worth strengthening. Walcott seems to be the most vulnerable, as of the lot, he is more likely to be only competing for the winger position. Of course, he can play upfront (which I thought he was during one of the more recent games), but the other players listed here can be rotated to the number 10 position.

Sam Hoare
95 Posted 28/01/2020 at 10:03:22
Steve F makes some good points. It's not just about how good the player is and what he can do for the team but the financial consequences of buying him. If you think this doesn't matter then i'm afraid you have not thought deeply enough.

With FFP the books have to remain balanced and if we continue to buy older players with no re-sale like Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin etc then we are shooting ourselves in the foot three or four years down the line.

Brands knows this well which is why he targets primarily players aged 20-25. As Steve F points out Barcelona do this well and even make profit on their flops; which we did to a degree with Vlasic and Onyekuru; might do with Besic too.

We bought Delph for a pretty minimal outlay because he was meant to bring leadership (dubious whether that has proved the case) but I highly doubt we will spend £20m on a 28 year old untested in the prem. I think Brands would prefer a loan of a max of £15m with some additional clauses.

On another note i'm a bit jealous of Spurs buying Bergwijn, £28m is a fair whack for a young Eredivisie player but he looks very quick and strong to me; would not mind him lining up on our right wing.

Christy Ring
96 Posted 28/01/2020 at 11:34:45
Jay @90 Agree completely about Grealish, he should be our top target in the summer, for me, he’s even a step up from Maddison. Regarding Delph, some of the comments are saying he only cost £8m rising to £10m, City bought him for £8m from Villa, but Brands gave him higher wages than he was on at City, and a 3 year contract, he’s 30, injury prone, and some are complaining that Vecino is too old at 28.
Sam Hoare
97 Posted 28/01/2020 at 11:44:36
Grealish will be beyond us. He will move for £50m+ to one of the richest, likely United or Spurs I reckon.

But I think Buendia has been almost as good and would be available for about 50% of the price as he's not English. He can play on the right or through the middle. He does not get quite as many goals as he should but has the potential. Unbelievably hard worker and excellent defensively as well as being one of the best open play creators in the league. Think Evertonians would love him.

Nicholas Ryan
98 Posted 28/01/2020 at 11:58:48
I was wondering why Everton were baulking at paying Inter £20m for this player; when I read, that they [Inter] are trying to get Christian Eriksen for £17.5m!!
Alex Fox
99 Posted 28/01/2020 at 12:35:08
Hoping we stay well clear of Vecino. The last thing we need is another player with no resale value sitting on six figure wages.

Grealish is an outstanding player. He'll be in the England squad this summer and commanding a £60m transfer fee. Out of our reach unfortunately.

Like Sam, I'm a big fan of Buendia. But I worry about his lack of goal threat, and goals from the midfield has been the major thing we've been lacking this year.

I'd like to see us move for David Brooks this summer. Turns just 23 in July, could be available on the cheap if Bournemouth go down, and he possesses real quality and - crucially - goals.

Dave Abrahams
100 Posted 28/01/2020 at 12:44:45
Jay (90), yes I wouldn’t mind Grealish and/or Cantwell, one established in the premier league and Cantwell looks better each time I see him, they’d cost a lot though Jay and if they were to move, sorry to say at the moment would pick a bigger team than us.

I think Joe Allen would suit us down to the ground for the next couple of seasons and bring much needed nous and energy to the squad, it’s very doubtful this transfer will come off but we definitely need someone with the samenous and energy in central midfield, we are nearly bankrupt in that position.

Brian Harrison
101 Posted 28/01/2020 at 12:51:04
Dave

Totally agree about both players, especially Cantwell who looks a player. I think with the problem we have at the moment with FFP trying to secure Grealish might be more than we could afford right now, but definitely the right sort of player we need.

Sam Hoare
102 Posted 28/01/2020 at 12:51:43
Alex, Brooks could be an interesting shout. I think Buendia would get a few more goals in a better team. Also I reckon if you have a front two of Kean and DCL with Richarlison on the left and Buendia on the right I think you're well covered for goals hopefully.

In terms of Vecino its interesting that Sheff United are closing in on Sander Berge and West Ham on Tomas Soucek from Slavia. Both are quite similar players to Vecino but younger and with arguably higher potential.

Steve Ferns
103 Posted 28/01/2020 at 13:58:49
Sam, I like the look of a few Norwich players. Cantwell, Buendia, Onel Hernandez and both fullbacks, Jamal Lewis and Max Aarons. I've not seen enough of Norwich to consider whether they'd really be decent for us or not, but there's value in their young players.

Sorry, but I'd call time on Baines' career at the end of the season. He doesn't justify the big wage he is on, and I don't think he can be relied on long term. Matty Foulds is not good enough for next season, and probably not beyond.

So left back-wise, Jamal Lewis is 22. He shouldn't cost a load. He is English (about to be become important in a post-Brexit PL). I think he would be good backup for Digne and might even surprise a few if he got a run in the side.

He's fast, full of energy and gets up and down that wing. He does look suspect defensively, but how much is down to him and how much is just Norwich being too open? definitely, worth a look if the price is right.

Buendia is a good budget option right sided midfielder for me. He can tuck in like Bernard does on the left to play that 4222 formation Ancelotti likes. His stats are outrageous. He is the third most creative player in the league and does so for the bottom side in the league. I think he could be a revelation in the right side.

Cantwell has a higher profile and will probably go for bigger money, and probably won't be worth it. Definitely worth buying at the right price though. Grealish is the same. Good player, but likely to have an inflated price.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

104 Posted 28/01/2020 at 14:57:59
On the question of letting Baines go at the end of the season that Steve Ferns raises, given Digne's inconsistent form and injuries this season I'm surprised Leighton hasn't featured more than he has.

Each time he did play, he showed he still has 'it'.

It got me thinking if he has a clause in his one year extended contract that if he plays a certain amount of games or minutes then it could automatically renew a further year's extension, thus to avoid that, the reluctance to give him more game time than both Digne's and Leighton's relative form has possibly merited.

Just a thought.

Steve Ferns
105 Posted 28/01/2020 at 15:01:45
Jay, has Digne really been much poorer this season? He already has more assists this season than last. The thing he has not done is score. I'd concede that he looks vulnerable defensively at times, but he did so last season too, and Baines also looked vulnerable defensively.

Baines would be 36 at the end of next season, you can't rely on him. I'd rather see a young lad come in, someone like Jamal Lewis. I wish we still had Antonee Robinson on our books as he now seems to be good enough for AC Milan, so surely he could have been at least our back up next season?

David Pearl
106 Posted 28/01/2020 at 15:40:16
Steve,

It’s easy to judge Digne on his stats but equally by the Goodison groanometre every time he gives the ball away. He finds himself in some space but could do more than he does. Defensively hit and miss. Personally speaking Baines should have had more minutes than he has.

Rob, 74 has a good idea. Usmanov could sponsor the half time pitch spikes. Simple. As it is Brands should possibly be looking at loans instead of gambling mid season. Still within distance of a European place however, should we not go for it instead of banking on getting it right next season when we still have points to play for?

I don’t rightly know

Steve Ferns
107 Posted 28/01/2020 at 15:43:40
David, I ignore the groanometre, it was very wrong about Ross Barkley, and I find it completely wrong about Tom Davies. Lucas Digne is a fine player, and one of our best performers this season, and one of the few players we have that one of the Sky 6 would be interested to sign, just see Tottenham in the summer. The lad seems to have genuine affection for the club and gives his all. Form goes up and down, everyone has bad games, and he is no exception.
Conor McCourt
108 Posted 28/01/2020 at 15:46:36
Tom 80- Mancini played for Leicester but never managed them, it was his fellow Italian Ranieri

Out of the wish list I only have 2 both of whom wouldn't break the bank for this window

1-Dwight McNeill at Burnley: he seems a really decent footballer who will probably evolve into a central player. What impresses me most about him is his attitude. He has a bit of Ricky about him where he has dragged his team at 19 to get points when the chips have been down. I think we need a few of those characters.

2-Troy Parrot at Spurs: he imo will be Irelands greatest ever striker if he develops as he has. Only 17 and 6 months left on his contract he has struggled for game time under Mourinho despite Pochettino really loving him. He is deadly and can assist also and is built like a 21 yr old. We are playing 2 up top and he would make the ideal fourth man for that role. We could even send him to the championship on loan as he wants to make the euros play off games and is already a senior international.

Steve Ferns
109 Posted 28/01/2020 at 16:07:38
Dwight McNeil looks a player, but how much do you think Burnley would be willing to release him for? I doubt it would be less than £30m.

As for Troy Parrott, he might well be Ireland's greatest ever striker in the future, but I think Tottenham consider that possible too. I don't think he would be prized from Tottenham's grasp for any figure you might consider reasonable. As for the lad himself, he might consider it a step down. Right now the pecking order at Tottenham has a gap at centre-forward, behind Kane. They even play Son upfront now he is injured. So, Parrott might see a clear path to the first team.

Here, he would have to compete with the similarly rated and even better, in my opinion, Lewis Dobbin, then the slightly older, Ellis Simms, and then Moise Kean and then Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison. The pathway is cluttered and I think we don't need a teenage striker, we already have 3, 4 if you include another Irishman, Tom Cannon.

Last season Troy Parrott scored 14 in 9 for Spurs u18. Ellis Simms socred 32 in 21 for Everton u18. This season our boy Simms has 7 goals in 12 games, with all 7 coming in his last 7 games. Troy Parrott has 10 goals in 8 games in various competitions and has played only 1 game at u23 PL2 level. But he's played 2 in the first team.

As for Jose Mourinho's stance on Parrott, read this: Link

I would wonder, if we had not signed Moise Kean, would Simms have made the first team now and would he have broken into our side? I think over the last two months he had an argument to get into first team training at the very least.


I should point out that Simms is about 12 months older than Parrott who in turn is 12 months older than Dobbin and 12 months older than Tom Cannon as well.

Conor McCourt
110 Posted 28/01/2020 at 16:27:02
Steve I agree McNeill would be about 30 million but he can play wide right, left and I think he will be better centrally as I don't think he's the paciest. If we have 20 or so million for Vecino or a right winger as has been touted, he would be my choice.

I know you would have a greater appreciation of how good our youth are than me but this kid is special. He played in the summer for Spurs against Utd, Real Madrid and Juve and excelled despite playing against world class stars.

Spurs love him but Mourinho won't play him for at least 2 seasons. He has only 6 months left on his contract and they are effectively trying to blackmail him into signing a new one because he is on the fringes of the Euro squad so needs games for McCarthy to pick him so they are forcing him to sign before he gets a loan.

He is two footed, his hold up play is superb and he is great technically as well as being a decent finisher. He can play as a 10 or a 9. We may not need him but for me he could be a gem.

Steve Ferns
111 Posted 28/01/2020 at 16:45:25
No doubt he could be a gem Conor. There's a lot of buzz about him. I'm not a good judge of youth as my tinted specs are very blue when it comes to youth, particularly if the lad is from Liverpool.

Dobbin (Stoke lad) looks very special to me. What about Tom Cannon? No buzz on your side of the Irish Sea about him? Maybe because he's actually a Liverpool lad, he's not quite on the Irish radar? He's scored 11 in 9 games so far this season. He's also had (at the age of 16) 2 caps for Ireland u19, so I expected some noise your side about him. If he's too come good, you'll be desperate to cap him before he switches allegiance to England, the country of his birth.

Jay Harris
112 Posted 28/01/2020 at 17:05:47
Steve,
I agree with you about Antonee Robinson. I could never understand why we let him go.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

113 Posted 28/01/2020 at 17:12:28
On the question on Lucas Digne's form Steve I would not describe him as 'one of our best performers this season' as you do.

He is a fine player, I will agree with you on that. But in my eyes he has not maintained the standards he displayed in his debut season (in which, as you also mention, he also had some exceedingly bad games).

I also thought he was the lucky recipient of the supporters' player of the season award last season. For me, there was one runaway candidate for that, Idrissa Gueye.

Digne's defending certainly hasn't improved this season. He is still found out of position at times and in trying to recover the ball coughs up cheap free kicks around our penalty area. More robust forwards shrug him off and pacier forwards skin him either side.

His attacking prowess has waned somewhat and one of his standout qualities - his dead ball delivery from free kicks and corners - have got dramatically worse.

But he really wasn't the focus of my earlier post. That was Leighton Baines who again I agree needs to be let go and a younger man drafted in, for without LB we are otherwise very scant at LB.

Conor McCourt
114 Posted 28/01/2020 at 17:26:40
Steve-It's a bit like your national under age teams in that we are performing at an all time high. The U21s are top of their group which contains Italy and Moise Kean so they are getting most of the attention.

There are players who are getting games at PL like Obafemi who has struggled to get in the U21's and that is just totally unprecedented,normally this standard would make you a regular in the senior side. Parrott gets the attention because he is different gravy to what is a golden generation.

Cannon is doing well but I didn't realise he was so young. He helped the U19's qualify and scored one of thirteen against Gibraltar but they are also a great group for us so there hasn't been a special buzz around him. The English born thing won't be a factor because Grealish we always knew would be a superstar and as soon as he played his first game at 17 we were aware of him especially as there was a dearth of talent at that time.

Steve Ferns
115 Posted 28/01/2020 at 17:58:54
Jay, there’s still a few murmurings about Allan (of Napoli and Brazil). At 29 and costing a fortune, I can’t see it myself. Have you heard anything on your side of the planet?

Also, what do you reckon? For me he was always the mascherano type for Napoli whilst Jorginho was the Alonso type. Reminds me a lot of Gueye too, only a bit more about him with the ball.

What about yourself? Do you rate the lad? And why’s he never really had a look in for Brazil?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

116 Posted 28/01/2020 at 18:34:12
Steve @ 115. I bloody hope not! Allan is a forgotten man in Brazil.

Didn't do much before joining Udinese in his early 20s - a low profile team before joining Napoli 3-4 seasons ago.

And when you have the outstanding and younger Casimiro (albeit his star is waning a tad) playing your position for Real Madrid and Brazil, you're not going to get much of a look in.

It really is only in the last 12 months he has had a few sub appearances with Brazil, but not to a notable degree. The younger Arthur (of Barcelona) is cementing himself more into the Brazilian team, albeit that their playing styles are very different.

Watch out for our (alleged) one-time target the just-turned 18-year-old Renier Jesus who has now joined Real Madrid to make the breakthrough at club and country in the next couple of years.

He did very well in his handful of senior appearances for the all-conquering Flamengo last season. If he continues his development, he really could be the next ZZ or Kaka. Jorge Jesus was livid the club sold him so 'cheaply' and easily.

In other news, today Gabigol himself hinted strongly he will make his loan deal to Flamengo from Inter Milan permanent. See this video with his narration.

Link

Steve Ferns
117 Posted 28/01/2020 at 20:47:02
Jay, I thought Allan and Jorginho worked well together. I could see him and Gomes going well together. But for the rumoured 80m euros, I hope not too.

Inter need the cash, probably. How can they sign Christian Erikson, Victor Moses and Ashley Young in the same season? Bizarre.

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