Unsmanov has spent years trying to either gain a seat on the Gunners board or convince owner Stan Kroenke to sell his majority stake to him and hand the Usbeki billionaire control.
Kroenke has steadfastly refused on both counts, leaving Usmanov, who has a 30% holding after he bought Moshiri's 15% stake in 2016, out in the cold.
In a report claiming that new director of football Marcel Brands could get £100m for new players, De Telegraaf say, however, that despite his insistence that he has no intention of selling up, Usmanov has grown tired of waiting and Everton could be the beneficiary.
Moshiri currently owns 49.9% of Everton's shares but has the option to increase that over time to around 76% buy buying out the other major shareholders.
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1 Posted 17/05/2018 at 12:10:48
2 Posted 17/05/2018 at 15:08:20
"Reports in Holland from one of the biggest newspapers in the Netherlands De Telegraaf have indication that Uzbeki powerhouse Alisher Usmanov could be set to join his friend Farhad Moshiri at Everton."
De Telegraaf is the least trustworthy newspaper in The Netherlands, nothing short of a tabloid. I stopped reading there and then.
3 Posted 17/05/2018 at 15:11:02
4 Posted 17/05/2018 at 15:19:57
But, most modern football club owners have made their fortunes by dubious means, particularly Man City (albeit generations ago, but there is a lot of controversy over their regime) and Chelsea.
5 Posted 17/05/2018 at 15:33:08
Show us the money, Alisher!
6 Posted 17/05/2018 at 15:46:50
7 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:05:06
Usmanov is a crony of Putin and has gone after Putin's political opponent Navalny with tremendous ferocity, as well as journalists reporting on his criminal case. Forbes once called him "the hard man of Russia."
That said, he didn't make his money off gifties from Putin — he's a ballsy investor specializing in undervalued assets. If he's interested in investing in Everton, that's how he views us.
And he doesn't lack for guts. He's a Muslim who married a Jew in a region that doesn't exactly welcome that.
8 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:05:18
9 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:17:49
Former ambassador Craig Murray called him a "Vicious Thug, Criminal, Racketeer, Heroin Trafficker and Accused Rapist" in this article 11 years ago:
If even some of these allegations are true, Usmanov makes Abramovich look saintly by comparison. What is certain is that he is a crony of Putin and has gone after Putin's political opponent Navalny with tremendous ferocity, as well as journalists reporting on his criminal case. Forbes once called him "the hard man of Russia."
Being a rich club would be very nice. But there's a reason Arsenal never gave this guy a seat on their board, even though he's a major investor.
10 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:25:18
To get to 76%, he'd have to buy the 7.9% tranche that I believe to be still owned by Lord Grantchester who is the only other 'major' shareholder.
My understanding is that he's held that number or thereabouts throughout all the ructions of the last 25 years at boardroom level.
There's some uncertainty in my numbers as I'm not sure what happened to Sir Phillip Carter's smaller wedge of ~714 shares (2%) when he died.
Moshiri's shares are strictly held by Blue Heaven Holdings Ltd, which presumably he would be a partner in with Usmanov, if he came on board.
If the controlling share ownership goes above 75%, I recall reading that this may trigger a mandatory buyout of all other remaining shareholders? Perhaps someone who knows these share ownership regs could confirm?
11 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:33:42
All just periodical speculation we get on the fellah due to his close association with Moshiri, but if it ever does become a genuine 'goer', without doubt, for me personally, it will represent a real moral dilemma as to whether we take his money or not.
But then, by extension, if we are to be consistent should we not already be posing the same question about Moshiri as he has earnt his fortune almost exclusively from his kinship with Usmanov?
It's a tricky one...
12 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:41:43
13 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:43:19
Despite all the abuse Kenwright has received over recent years, I think he has had the best intentions of the club in mind when it comes to finding a new owner.
If these allegations are true, then we should be wary. Massive transfer budgets are good, but what would be the costs in terms of the club's soul?
Winning at all costs is not what should be our primary motivation when it comes to fundamental issues such as ownership. Our honour should come first & foremost.
14 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:53:35
● We are a project that could be very exciting.
● New stadium (can even call it the USM stadium for me!)
● Best mate's already there.
● Chance to get one over Kroenke.
● Chance to be the main man – not just a bit part.
● Prospect of huge profit.
● Prospect of trophies galore.
And plenty more reasons too.... I really really hope this happens.
15 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:55:07
If he is that bad, then why have Arsenal allowed him so many shares and why have we got his best mate as our soon-to-be majority shareholder???
16 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:55:11
17 Posted 17/05/2018 at 16:57:10
I can see Everton FC being sold on after the Stadium is delivered... but, for now, we'll just have to do with a single figure Billionaire.
18 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:01:28
"Oi, You... NO!!! You ain't purchasing any of our nice shares coz you're a thoroughly nasty bad twat."
I mean, honestly, this pious social media-driven PC righteousness is getting totally out of control and needs to be kicked hard in the goolies at every opportunity. IMHO.
19 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:08:19
Kenwright, Earl, Green et al.
Then of course the league may not allow such a guy as Usmanov to take control as he would be the first to have control of a British club where there are doubts about his zillions.
UEFA and FIFA those bastions of purity no doubt would sort any approach to Everton out.
Great being perfect at least our permanent 7th-8th place will be earned "the right way" "the Everton Way".
20 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:15:22
21 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:17:27
Perhaps a further clue could be the state of Arsenal. They are on the wane, and will have a new manager on the heels of a legend, a bar difficult to reach. A lull could be reasonably expected.
Add the third continuing theme which is Usmanov's standoff with Kroenke.
Stir them all up and it could be a recipe for a story. Directly or indirectly dirty money flows through football, a moral objection is hard to muster when the English game is awash with dubious characters. Everton are not whiter than white.
Where is line morally? Muddy at best.
22 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:21:49
This virtue signalling, sanctimonious bullshit is bordering on ridiculous.
"We only want decent morally upright citizens to be a part of our ownership. Let's be careful who we allow to uphold our perfect standards etc.,"
Anyone who amasses a large amount of money, at some stage got their hands a little mucky. Such is life.
23 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:22:09
As I mentioned before, he appears to have built his fortune on smarts and big cojones, not baksheesh from the Kremlin. Most of the ugliest allegations against Usmanov are from the 1970s and 80s, long before Moshiri met him.
I'm not aware that Moshiri has ever been accused of misconduct, either business or personal. And I'm certainly not aware of any statements he has made or actions he has taken that would indicate he shares Usmanov's outspoken devotion to Putin.
24 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:23:18
25 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:33:07
Looking at the betting for the Premier League next season, we are 125/1 to win it, that's with Betfair.
They're not taking much of a chance are they! I think 1,250/1 more like it.
26 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:37:28
I'm simply sharing background information about the guy that nobody else thought worthy of mention. Apparently Kroenke considered it at least somewhat relevant, because he didn't give Usmanov a seat. And I can tell you from multiple conversations that plenty of Gooners outspokenly opposed his bid for majority ownership, even though they weren't exactly thrilled by Kroenke.
But if you guys don't think the subject is even worth bring up, fine, blow it off.
27 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:39:51
28 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:43:14
29 Posted 17/05/2018 at 17:51:48
As for those taking a rough and gruff stance towards the moral dilemma of Usmanov investing in Everton, I too don't care for evangelical self-righteousness that pervades the social media piety some are given to.
If you drill things down to the 'nth' degree, we are all culpable and party to unsavoury practices and illegal acts by being the consumers we are.
The very clothes we buy and dress in... the food we eat... the electronic devices we cannot do without...
Some things, possibly even many things, on which we depend have been produced in sweatshops made by the hands of children and the extremely poverished, in awful conditions, working extreme hours in hostile and unhealthy environments, as bonded labour or slave wages, presuming they are paid at all.
So whilst not a purveyor of extreme piety, which is often only superficial anyway, nor am I a fan of riding roughshod over people's genuine concerns about associating with individuals, brands, corporate and political figures who are tainted with more serious demeanours.
Where you draw the line is for each individual to decide. That's why it's described as a moral dilemma.
30 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:01:34
"Despite all the abuse Kenwright has received over recent years, I think he has had the best intentions of the club in mind when it comes to finding a new owner" — That gave me the best laugh of the week.
This is a man who turned Mansour away because he wanted to retain control; Involved Green and Earl (enough said there, then); and was ready to sell out to a guy who lived in a rented flat in Salford.
He will get over £50M out of his involvement with EFC despite not putting a single penny of his own money into the club. If he had an ounce of real feeling for the club, he would put some of his ill-gotten gains into the kitty.
Anything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.
31 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:03:46
Come one, come all... You can never have too many, I say. :)
32 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:05:08
Absolutely bang on the money.
Imagine wild celebrations: "I can't believe we have won this trophy, and it's all down to the money Usmanov provided."
"Huh, I for one refuse to get involved in the celebrations, look where Usmanov's money came from."
33 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:07:47
But at least this guy would be bringing the wads of dosh in rather than taking them out. (Pretty sure brown paper parcels and sports bags will be involved in both cases.)
I'm sure we'd help him lose some pounds one way or another and, given his vast corpulence and this hot weather, I'm sure some laundering would be much appreciated.
34 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:09:27
I lived in the Netherlands and had never any reason to doubt it. Its links with Marcel Brands shouldn't be underestimated and he will have been given an outline of our plans by Moshiri. Hence his eagerness to join us.
Usmanov's issue at Arsenal has been finding a buyer for his 30%. That's been the only delay. Moshiri is now able to trigger the contract agreement that allows him to buy additional EFC shares from Jon Woods. Usmanov will not get anywhere near the market value for his Arsenal shares as what single buyer would buy 30% with no place on the board?
The below market value will be offset by the acquisition in Everton at virtually no cost. This huge saving will be plowed into the team. For example, £300 million for the Arsenal shares can be put directly into the transfer coffers at Everton at no cost to Usmanov or Moshiri. Both will see their investment and shares increase exponentially because of the value of the squad and the new stadium. This business model is no secret and was outlined in an open letter to Arsenal fans written by Moshiri and Usmanov several years ago.
I honestly believe we are on the cusp of something massive. The pair of them dwarf every single other owner of a Premier League club in terms of their combined wealth — bar Man City, who are actually owned by a country, in effect. (There's a legal challenge brewing by the European Union which states countries cannot subsidise private businesses as it prohibits fair competition — watch this space!)
35 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:15:41
36 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:16:45
Actually, it would be mostly Usmanov, who is worth about $15 billion, dwarfing Abramovich's $9 billion.
Moshiri by comparison is a bag lady at $1.7 billion.
37 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:20:55
38 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:21:32
I'm quite sure that there were some shady characters in the period I've written about (1946-47 to 1950-51), but we were oblivious to matters off the pitch.
I have double checked, and am satisfied that Everton called upon the services of 50 players, my first article covers the Everton career records of 6 of them, so only 44 more to go.
I have been toying with the idea of seeing if any of the "ToffeeWebbers" who wished me well following my stay in Southport Hospital would consider joining me in celebrating my 80th birthday on July 15th, and as you were instrumental in my embarking on a one-finger keyboard career, I feel it would be nice to put a face to the name.
If anyone else would be interested in joining me, I would be delighted, and making arrangements would free me from this laptop.
39 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:37:15
40 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:40:31
I would like to see Everton having the benefit of such a fortune but a £300M transfer kitty I find hard to imagine. We've already spent a small fortune on players that hasn't much increased the value of the squad. Perhaps Brands is the man to ensure future investment, whatever it may be, isn't wasted. We can only hope.
On the issue of the morality of receiving investment from dubious sources, I believe Everton already crossed the moral Rubicon in appointing Allardyce who was deemed to have brought football into disrepute – by the FA no less.
41 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:54:30
Who is to preach which pound is more dirty than the other? British politicians have signed the death warrants of thousands in the Middle East over a conflict based on lies. Andy Burnham is a big Evertonian. Who already sponsors Finch Farm again?
Best to leave moralising and politics out of football altogether. I'm not accusing anyone BTW. Cheers.
42 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:55:55
His bodyguards can link up and form an alliance with the local Deli mob so Usmanov can walk freely after the match between the brick and sizzlers kebabs and end his night in the Kentucky with friends or maybe even a stay behind in Crofts?
43 Posted 17/05/2018 at 18:56:47
44 Posted 17/05/2018 at 19:02:40
I know I would.
We're a fickle bunch aren't we...
45 Posted 17/05/2018 at 19:06:39
You and me both, I'd welcome any £billionaires.
46 Posted 17/05/2018 at 19:21:14
47 Posted 17/05/2018 at 19:35:05
48 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:10:57
49 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:15:00
50 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:18:11
As pointed out, if we are waiting for a Saintly Billionaire benefactor, then one is never going to come along. Some of us have waited for too long to taste any success at all. Everton haven't won anything since I was a child, for example.
And right now I'd be happy with most dubious Billionaires if it meant winning something and celebrating that with my father. Some blues really can't wait too much longer, and beggars can't be choosers.
51 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:31:32
As for the moral part, I cant stand these Russian oligarchs but if he puts us back on top I might just hold my nose and look away.
52 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:37:55
If you want to get prissy about backgrounds and how people earn a living, start with the Houses of Parliament. And the Church.
53 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:38:24
Don't you want your Club to be the pillar of what football should be and how it's run? Of course you would.
What a load of crap to say you should bother with the ethical makeup of a possible owner!
I'm not taking any opinion of Usmanov. I don't know enough about the man.
But surely if someone has some shady background it's well within a fan's right, as a fan always wants what's best for the Club and for the Club to conduct themselves of the highest manner, to question if an association with a possibly shady character is best for the Club?
That's not sanctimonious in the least. It's wanting what's best for the organization.
Jesus talk about getting on a high horse!
54 Posted 17/05/2018 at 20:54:53
It's called 'football', folks, a slightly less sleazy way for very wealthy people to try to glean for themselves a modicum of what they imagine is respectability, but only providing it's at the expense of, erm... what are they called, Farhad? Supporter thingy's or summat? Right. Cheers!
55 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:03:47
56 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:05:22
We have one filthy stain on our reputation it will take a lifetime to erase, if Usmanov is to be another at least this one can pay it's way.
57 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:09:25
He may have decided that the time has come to join his buddy Farhad, be the main man for once, join in the fantastic project of building Europe's most iconic stadium. Have some fun while he still can!
It's not just a takeover of a club, it's an opportunity to leave an amazing legacy. And a great investment to boot. His interest is welcome, it will transform us to top 4 contenders every season.
That's ultimately what I want, to be able to challenge the Sky 6 on equal (or stronger) terms. Would anyone rather he invested in West Ham or Newcastle? And leave us playing catch-up from an even weaker position?
58 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:20:14
Quartz.com reported that in fact there was an intense effort by several US senators early this year to include Usmanov personally in the sanctions list because of several Paradise Papers reports, one specific to Everton:
"Usmanov, a metals magnate ranked by Forbes as the world's 66th richest man with a $15.9 billion fortune, owns a large stake in Arsenal FC, one of Britain's top soccer clubs, and was the subject of two embarrassing Paradise Papers reports. One reportedly saw him secretly buy a company that was supposed to be doing anti-money laundering due diligence on his own cash — a serious conflict of interest. Another suggested he may have broken Premier League rules by “gifting” his business partner a chunk of cash to invest in Everton FC, a rival English soccer club. (His business partner denied it was a gift.)"
Usmanov was not ultimately among those sanctioned, and neither was his company USM, but one of his Metalloinvest partners was sanctioned (Andrei Skoch) and it's logical to assume that Metalloinvest will get nailed at some point. Likely so will Gazprom.
The real question is how much it would hurt him. My guess is not much. His business with the US is almost nil, and he has widened out into video games and telecom investments that wouldn't be affected.
59 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:25:50
60 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:33:19
61 Posted 17/05/2018 at 21:35:43
62 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:20:20
His plan is not just to reinvigorate Everton but to re-energise a huge area of the City.
If that's his legacy and he believes it to be achievable, then why would he want to pass the baton to someone else?
63 Posted 17/05/2018 at 22:47:44
64 Posted 18/05/2018 at 01:40:40
65 Posted 18/05/2018 at 01:44:36
Therefore, we could be taken over by the Sultan of Brunei but, at the end of the day, it wouldn't make much of a difference from the present regime.
66 Posted 18/05/2018 at 01:47:25
I ask these posters if they also boycott Murdoch's Sky TV as the revenue from that subsidises the newspaper arm, The answer is usually a silence.
People are very selective; easy to boycott a newspaper when there are lots of alternatives but less easy to forgo a TV channel they subscribe to for sport, films etc.
So, be sanctimonious about Usmanov, if you choose, but also have a look at other dodgy operators you do support.
SD, as already mentioned, Amazon, MacDonald's, Asda and Tesco who avoid UK Corporation Tax etc etc etc.
67 Posted 18/05/2018 at 02:34:18
68 Posted 18/05/2018 at 02:37:39
I mean it's a slippery slope and I ate at McDonalds two weeks ago, so???
I mean, everywhere you look they're all corrupt. When in Rome and all that, so let's just go full bore and get the richest, dirtiest motherfucker we can find and win, baby!
69 Posted 18/05/2018 at 07:30:41
Add to your list:
● Bramley-Moore Dock in order to berth "Dilbar" when Everton playing at home...
70 Posted 18/05/2018 at 07:36:32
Everton Football Club, Kenwright, Earl, Green. Why bring in outsiders when we have our own???
71 Posted 18/05/2018 at 09:08:31
Football is a business and no better so I have little time for the 'moral conversation' when it comes to owners – the FA / Premier League and to a point UEFA govern European clubs... if they don't like it, they can change it... but I think that horse bolted decades ago...
I'm fed up with being plucky Everton – I had one sanctimonious Celtic fan (but his English club is 'that lot'!) from 'Glasgow', I kid you not, telling me we (Everton) were wrong to fire Fat Sam and will finish 8th at best next season!
Show me the money!!!!! COYB.
72 Posted 18/05/2018 at 09:42:24
Martin Tyler "...and Everton make it 5-0 to secure the European Cup for an unprecedented tenth consecutive Premier League / FA Cup / League Cup and European Cup Quadruple... and there's some Everton supporters down there who are not happy they have made their way onto the pitch with flag showing the images of the classic combination of former chairman Bill Kenwright and manager David Moyes and a banner that says 'Usmanov Out! WE don't want your dirty money!'"
Merson..." I think they have a point Martin"
Sutton "Yes, I agree Paul, these are true Everton supporters, they know their place."
73 Posted 18/05/2018 at 10:07:25
As for Usmanov's Arsenal "dilemma" I see no reason why he could not place his shareholding in a trust under which he absolutely divests himself of beneficial ownership but has himself as first named trustee thus retaining de facto control. This would satisfy FA/UEFA rules and allow him to buy into another Club. If that is what he wants, I'd be surprised if he hasn't already got his trusted accountant Moshiri working on the finer details!
74 Posted 18/05/2018 at 10:11:07
75 Posted 18/05/2018 at 10:47:11
The Yanks, are going after these Russians, but whose going after America, and its pipelines of oil, out of the Middle East?
Be corrupt, or be onside, because if you don't learn to turn the other cheek, the worlds biggest policemen, will only be on your tail!
76 Posted 18/05/2018 at 11:12:27
77 Posted 18/05/2018 at 11:14:43
Football is business and business is corrupt – any moral high-ground has long since left the building where Everton is concerned. Remember all our offshore dealings that came up earlier this year?
It makes me smile when Evertonians talk about not daring to besmirch the good name of our proud club, and other such grand proclamations, as though we follow some saintly organisation run by God himself.
Bizarre in the extreme.
Allardyce, Moshiri, Usmanov... all have crooked leanings of one sort or another, and we already accepted Moshiri, so...
78 Posted 18/05/2018 at 11:34:49
"Its also very possible that Moshiri won't want him as he'll undoubtedly want the lead role - and this is Farhad's project. His plan is not just to reinvigorate Everton but to re-energise a huge area of the City.
If that's his legacy and he believes it to be achievable then why would he want to pass the baton to someone else?"
That's the situation we have. Why on earth would Moshiri go through all the trouble he has and then simply give it over?
Plus, should we wave aside that just last year, Kronke publicly offered to buy Usmanov's shares? Which offer Usmanov publicly rejected.
79 Posted 18/05/2018 at 12:27:57
Bring it on!
80 Posted 18/05/2018 at 13:59:54
Normally I would agree this discussion has no place on a football forum but it reminds me of the misinformation, from certain, quarters, regarding Silva's 'qualities' in relation to becoming our new manager.
Jeez! Is 'Post Truth' really here to stay?
81 Posted 18/05/2018 at 14:10:50
Just lazily reading through the posts and I came across this little gem you included in your post Mike about the Paradise Papers.
"One reportedly saw him secretly buy a company that was supposed to be doing anti-money laundering due diligence on his own cash — a serious conflict of interest."
"A serious conflict of interest" — or a very smart move?
I am beginning to like this fellah!
82 Posted 18/05/2018 at 14:27:27
83 Posted 18/05/2018 at 14:32:55
I mentioned in my previous post the Open Letter to Arsenal fans by Moshiri and Usmanov. It's well worth a read. If they have had their way Wenger would not have had to sell his best players to fund the new stadium and fans would not be paying massive ticket prices to do likewise.
This is the same business model used by the American owners at LFC also. Instead, our owners business model is for him to get back the money by way of the value of his shares in the club increasing.
84 Posted 18/05/2018 at 19:31:37
At this moment, now that Tranmere have been promoted last week (well done lads), every club in England I am told has won silverware or a promotion or something since 1995, our last trophy year.
I couldn't give a monkey's chuff if it isn't true. 23 years is a disgrace (already it will be 24 unless we win the mickey mouse cup in March), more so then any disgrace associated with anyone's money.
I'm sick to death of being self-righteous little pure and virginal Everton. Let's go out and f*ck everyone! Let's be "nasty-don't-dare-cross-us-or-you'll-be-sorry" Everton and perhaps the injustices will stop, as they (whoever THEY are) will thing frigging twice about shitting on us.
Rant over. Yachts to the left, Super Yachts to the right and just leave your skeletons on the quayside Messrs. Usmanov and Moshiri. We'll dump 'em in the dock later when it's dark.
85 Posted 19/05/2018 at 04:06:05
I like football first. Winning is a fantastic by-product. I think many Evertonions would agree with me?
Mourinho is one of the biggest serial winners since Fergie, but his anti-football is unpopular (eventually).
Give me Martinez's season 1 finishing 5th and playing most teams off the park (including the “big” boys) against Davey Moyes's “winning” team of Champions League qualifying losers any day.
86 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:23:09
87 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:40:25
88 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:50:22
Chelsea were also, initially, looked down upon by the media who wanted to protect their top 3 (Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool) from any potential intruders. They were “buying” the title.
If, and it's still a huge 'if', Usmanov comes on board, the same will happen to us. Once we start winning trophies, they will fall in love with us as money is the world's greatest seducer.
89 Posted 20/05/2018 at 08:51:47
90 Posted 20/05/2018 at 19:19:22
91 Posted 22/05/2018 at 13:35:26
At the end of the day he is a businessman he is rich and is a friend of Moshiri. If he wants to invest in the club, that's fine by me. Football is one of the most corrupt games in the world, full of double standards; the problem being is that we all love and watch it.
92 Posted 22/05/2018 at 15:15:07
93 Posted 22/05/2018 at 22:49:57
94 Posted 22/05/2018 at 22:57:09
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