Silva: I believe I can win fans back

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Marco Silva says he is focused on Everton's next game against Leicester as he seeks to win back the fans' faith following the latest damaging defeat, this time to Norwich City.

The Blues fell to their seventh defeat of the season as the Premier League's bottom club picked up their first away win since regaining promotion to the top flight this year, a result that triggered loud boos at Goodison Park and widespread calls for the manager to be sacked.

Apart from Everton owner, Farhad Moshiri, assuring supporters that the club will have better times there has been silence from Goodison Park while rumour and media speculation builds that former boss David Moyes could be ushered in on a temporary basis to replace Silva until the end of the season.

Silva, however, elected not to discuss his future after the final whistle on Saturday but in quotes published by The Guardian, the Portuguese expressed his confidence that he and his players can turn things around despite a daunting run of games ahead between now and early January.

“I believe I can,” Silva said when asked he could earn the belief of the fans. “I believe in the work, I believe in our players and I believe in our fans. It is a normal reaction from the fans. I understand what you are asking me; unfortunately it is not something new at Everton.

“I am here to do my best every single day, to get the right result, and if we get the right results then you can repair things.

“It is everything about results and when we don't achieve them normally [the fans] look for the person at the top and that is the manager.

“We cannot look for the next five games, we have to focus on the next one. We will focus on Leicester, nothing else. It will be a tough week with three games in six days but we have to look at each one in the right way.

“After the performance we had against Norwich, we have to react and react strong because it will take playing at a different level to get the points we want.”

 

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Andrew Keatley
1 Posted 24/11/2019 at 23:47:50
Yeah...

I don't.

Neil Jones
4 Posted 24/11/2019 at 23:58:51
Please please just Go Silva you are making our club a laughing stock, you will get a nice pay off more that any of us will earn in a life time, You are going to gets us relegated no doubt about it,,, and we will never recover ,
Derek Knox
5 Posted 24/11/2019 at 00:04:36
I don't believe this joker, how hard faced and brazen could he possibly be? Like Neil has suggested just get out of our Club you fraud.
Kase Chow
6 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:13:01
It’s his refusal to learn

- Schneiderlin is for the most part rubbish

- Tosun is not a rampaging goal threat (nor is he mobile)

- Walcott has seen his best days and his current days are pretty unproductive

- we like to see goals. 1 striker up top doesn’t appear to bring many goals

- 4-5-1 or whatever it is that he’s trying to play DOES NOT WORK

- Iwobi is one of your better buys - play him every match (preferably ahead of Siggy)

- Holgate ain’t great

that means he’ll never create a consistently winning team at Goodison and thus won’t actually win us fans back

So please please go

Farhad - you may be a nice guy with good intentions but so far your tenure has coincided with the most abject football and most depressing times. You need to act fast to get rid of Silva or we’ll be after you

Mark Guglielmo
7 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:18:21
You can probably just copy & paste the comments section from the other few threads.
Rupert Leighton
8 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:25:00
. proving he is deluded.
Bill Gall
9 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:30:10
Silva you have a better chance winning the Lotto. After Saturdays performance that is an awful lot of fans you are going to have to try to win over, and especially a number of the ones who have been willing to give you a chance,and are now having doubts.
You are wasting your time with these comments, you should have proved you were the man to win over the fans from day 1 of the new season.
Dave Lynch
10 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:32:29
Seriously though, what's he supposed to say.

"I'm crap at this management malarkey, as well as being well out of my depth."

He's fighting his corner which we would all do in the same situation.

Danny Broderick
11 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:40:31
There’s nothing he can say now, it’s too late. His stubborn refusal to change formation or personnel has been his downfall.

4-2-3-1 is not working and Silva has never strayed from it.

Schneiderlin has been our worst player for 3 years and he is regularly chosen.

The defence is all over the place. Mina and Holgate both challenged for the same ball for both goals the other day. We can’t defend set pieces to save our lives.

We don’t know how to attack either. We play too slow.

He doesn’t know his best team.

I could carry on but can’t be bothered. Time to go.

David Hallwood
12 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:54:38
December will decide his fate-and ours. I think the frustrating thing about this, is that there's a decent team bursting to get out.

But as Danny(#11) said, 4-2-3-1 isn't working; it didn't work for Koeman or Martinez either. What is it about the formation, is it written into the contract? it's been a total disaster for the last 3-4 seasons, even so I'm fully expecting Silva (that's if he's still here) to play with 2 holders vs. Leicester.

Why? fuck knows, with all the stats available, he must know that it doesn't get us up the pitch, and if the idea is to protect the back 4, just look at the goals against from the time we adopted the formation.

Jamie Crowley
13 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:06:21
It is a normal reaction from the fans. I understand what you are asking me; unfortunately it is not something new at Everton.

Does that last part piss anyone else off?

Or am I being overly sensitive?

Jer Kiernan
14 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:18:11
@ Jamie 13
Not really he has tried this on before regards our historical failure to win away games, excusing his own abysmal record - Media instead of pressing him to explain his own poxy results instead of discussing Koemans ( Ronald was fired for his performance)

Bangs of desperation to me, he is a lucky man to be in a job at such a big club, his only saving grace is the board are as if not more incompetant

Bill Gienapp
15 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:23:18
Sounds good. Go beat Leicester City on the road, then topple Liverpool at Anfield and I'm on board. If you can't do that, well... I'm not sure we have much to talk about.
Jamie Crowley
16 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:30:49
Jer -

It just grinds my gears.

So the normal reaction from the fans is vitriolic bile? No it absolutely is not, and it's a disgraceful comment. Everton fans applaud beautiful football. They are massively knowledgable, and therefore they will voice an opinion when the football is dire. Particularly when said football is a result from maddening choices and tactics from the manager.

He's distancing himself from the situation, and slyly dropping in little nuggets of "bitter Blue" stereotypes. Everyone will read them, outside of Everton, and say, "Ya, ya probably. They overreact and think they're a big club."

Twaddle! Evertonians aren't delusional, and they recognize the situation. They're reacting in measure and appropriately. If it were any other Club, I think the media would jump on it, and say, "Aren't they simply reacting to dire football and results?"

We'll get none of that. And Marco forwarding this notion that Evertonians bitching about his reign being a historical norm of behavior, is wickedly sly.

Snake. The King of deceit and lies, who made the pact with the other lot, is weaving his wicked magic through Marco's mouth.

Pisses me off. Have to call it out.

Jer Kiernan
17 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:39:42
@Jamie 16
Cant argue with anything you say there, You have the measure of him, but as I say it bangs of desperation,

You are performing abysmally at your job Marco, "think I am bad you wanna see the last guy" is the logic

As regards the bitter blues, it is his implication although subtle, The truth is quite the opposite I am sometimes frustrated beyond belief at how loyal some of our fans are to him, our dear chairman etc etc

To note I am not fucked if he pulls some lucky results out of the hat in the next 6 he is a shite manager, out of his depth and will never deliver at this level

I am hoping we give Eddie Howe his long overdue crack at a big club but don't hold much hope

Tony Twist
18 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:45:27
No to Eddie Howe. To save face and make a reasonable statement and to not piss off a great deal of Evertonians (by getting Rafa) Kovac looks the obvious choice. Has won a cup and managed the German League Champions which couldn't have been easy
Jamie Crowley
19 Posted 25/11/2019 at 01:59:48
Tony -

Mike Gaynes also tossed Kovac’s name out there. Couple of shout-outs for the man. Piqued my interest. Know very little about him, but seems a step in the right direction possibly?

Mark Guglielmo
20 Posted 25/11/2019 at 02:00:16
Jer, with all the respect due the lifetime fans who lived through previous glory days, do you genuinely believe Everton to still be a big club today? I don't mean how long we've been around, or how much money has been spent in the past 5 years, or even the lengthy run without relegation. But truly a big club, to most followers of football outside of Liverpool?

I would give anything to be able to be a part of a team like the 1984-88 one, but it just seems like such a long climb back to that perch.

Tony @18/Jamie @19 Bayern is my 2nd favorite team in the world, I consider myself fairly familiar with Kovac. But if I'm honest, Bayern has won the Bundesliga for 8 years running, and winning the DFB Pokal is nowhere near as difficult as say, the FA Cup. He also managed to lose the locker room this year, but it's important to consider that Munich is a club who believes "anything but winning the CL" is an unsuccessful season.

And we don't have the best striker in the world, the best right back in the world, and Coutinho, Muller, Alaba, Gnabry, and so forth.

Interesting? Yes. Not sure he's our answer.

Kristian Boyce
21 Posted 25/11/2019 at 02:50:47
The problem is that he never had a large portion of fans on his side from day one. Should never have been hired in the first place and we are suffering from those poor choices of the boardroom now.

Jer Kiernan
22 Posted 25/11/2019 at 02:52:47
@Mark
This may sound stupid but in order to be a big club you need to act like one and think like one, I grew up and supported from the Early 80s when rubbing the RS noses in it was common place and wondering in bemusement how anybody could follow Man U

I think the damage done by Bill has been almost lethal, I say almost but the standards in any organization have to be set by those at very top, enough said

Had we have gotten Top 4 this year which was very do-able look at Leicester similar squad, similar club, but they have won a PL and are heading to CL this year with Arse/Man maybe Spurs expense, could have been us all we had to do was beaten some teams in the bottom half, What an opportunity totally messed up by a bunch of incompetants, I believe we are still a big club but just need the right attitude and people to put us back where we belong

He managed the German Champions and made a aballs of it,fuck Kovac anybody can win at Bayern is like Scotland over there, and he has even got the bullet. Eddies the man

Mark Guglielmo
23 Posted 25/11/2019 at 03:04:20
Thanks for the reply, and perspective, Jer. Count me in. We definitely both want the same thing for the Club (but I want Arteta)!

But lay off the Bundesliga mate! It's actually a pretty great league and a lot more competitive then most are aware. Scotland lol. That cracked me up.

Alan J Thompson
24 Posted 25/11/2019 at 03:11:47
Look, I think some of you are being rather harsh on Mr Silva. This is only the 7th time this season he has said that we must not only react but react strongly (sorry, don't have the figures for last season's reactions) and he'll get it right sooner or later. My money's on later but only if that includes not at all, if that's not already a given.

Oh, and I believe.

Mark Andersson
25 Posted 25/11/2019 at 03:30:45
Martinez won a cup, shame it was not with us. This thing about us being a big club is in the eyes of the beholder. Currently we are a bang average club, from top to bottom, the only real fact is we have amazing fans who demand the best and get short changed time and time again.

Who ever the next manager is I feel it wont make much difference until the mentality behind the scenes changes. Big Nev in his Toffee TV sums it up, Moyes kidded us that were we were was about as good as it gets for the money we have, Big Nev say's nonsense Leicter won the league, Big Sam comes in and say's I will save you from relegation, when he should have said I will get you a European spot. At least Martinez came in with the right attitude, shame he couldn't back it up with results

So were all back to living in hope n fear...

Jay Harris
26 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:18:28
Right on Marco.

So we lost 0-2 at home to the bottom of the table club who had only scored 1 goal away from home all season and you expect us to believe you will put a team together to beat Leicester and the RS.

I have just seen some pigs flying overhead says anyone who believes you.

You have lost all credibility mate.

Mick Davies
27 Posted 25/11/2019 at 04:50:25
That's the spirit Marco. We can't defend, can't score goals and our midfield couldn't catch a milk float, but I admire your confidence, and if we don't beat Leicester (who are crap compared to the mighty Norwich), just say it was a bad moment, then we'll hammer the lousy lot across the park, but if somehow we can't beat that 2nd rate Liverpool side, we will blame VAR etc etc loud yawn
Kenn Crawford
28 Posted 25/11/2019 at 05:06:05
Just piss off you are just destroying this club you fraud
Paul Kernot
29 Posted 25/11/2019 at 05:23:02
I've read Tim Cahill's name linked with a managerial/coaching role at Everton several times over the last year or more. Same with Arteta. Obvious comparisons are Lampard & Gerard & they're doing ok. I know its going back to the old boys club but at this precise moment, I'm thinking, as bad as a couple of the teams below us are, with this jerk off leading us, were serious contenders to be well rooted in the bottom 3 before New Year.
Jerome Shields
30 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:06:28
Needed to make sure he won the game against Norwich, given previous performances. This should have been blatantly obvious to him and all that worked round him at the Club. It appears that it wasn't or enough of them didn"t care. Anyway he is stuck with the fact that the side he selected and was in charge of preparing was deservedly beaten.
Drew O'Neall
31 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:22:22
Successful managers get angry.

That (conceivably) snide remark is as close as I’ve seen Silva get.

Bring in someone who goes f*cking apeshit mental on the touchline when we get a bad decision or players don’t perform to the required standard, these are the men who win the league.

Frank Sheppard
32 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:36:16
He sounds as unconvincing as ever. The only difference is I don’t think he believes it himself either.Phoney.
David Greenwood
33 Posted 25/11/2019 at 06:55:55
In other news Marco is also a member of the flat earth society.
George Stuart
34 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:13:19
Leicester are playing well with passion and skill.
We're going to get twated.
Silva is delusional.
David Connor
35 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:16:10
Forget it Marco. Hopefully your time is up. Be nice if the next manager actually has a personality that comes across well instead of this sullen faced downbeat loser we have at the moment.
George Stuart
36 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:19:31
The players have some culpability in all this but in best devils advocacy role for them, maybe they have said to themselves, this guys a clown.
The zonal marking debacle alone, for this squad of players, would be enough for me to shrug my shoulders and wait for the inevitable.
John Keating
37 Posted 25/11/2019 at 07:31:39
It must be an Iberian thing.

Becoming delusional over time, blaming everyone else but oneself, talking shite to the media and supporters and the inability to see or accept that the fault lies with them.

It all points to whoever comes next we cannot appoint a Spaniard or Portuguese, unless his names Pep.

Colin Glassar
38 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:00:54
No. You. Can’t.
Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:14:21
Didn’t want to sack another manager, I’ve been looking up at Howard Kendall just before I go into the match for about six weeks now, thinking about the position that Howard was in before he miraculously turned things round, and praying for the same thing for Marco Silva.

“But” after what I witnessed on Saturday, I have changed my mind because it was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen in my life.

Most of the players, looked like robots, that hadn’t been charged-up, and talking to someone yesterday, he was shocked when I said that if it asked over the microphone, just before kick-off, if the crowd wanted Everton to play with Schneiderlin, or would we sooner play with ten men, I’m sure the answer would be ten men, and the crowd would be galvanised instantly... it really is that bad.

Ray Smith
40 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:17:00
Silva is out of his depth, however, don’t pile all the blame on him.

He shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place.

Bill Kenwright has been a director since 1989 and chairman since 2004.

Question: Does he have 30 yrs experience as a director?
Answer: No, he has 1yrs experience 30 times.

Question: Does he have 15 yrs experience as a chairman?
Answer: No, he has 1yrs experience 15 times.

What has he got over Moshiri?

A successful businessman is being led by the nose.

Liam Reilly
42 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:49:37
If he puts that side out against Leicester then we're in for a dam good thrashing and Lord only knows what the score could be against Liverpool.
Michael Lynch
43 Posted 25/11/2019 at 08:55:50
Will a new manager be able to get anything better out of this squad? I honestly don't know, having watched yet another anaemic display at Goodison. But I have to believe that these players aren't as dreadful as they look. And I have to believe that someone can get them to play with a bit of intensity and pace. And I have to believe that Mina and Holgate can be coached to look better than Sunday League level - which is what they looked for Norwich's opening goal. So far this season, we've seen an acceptable level of intensity for about ten minutes of every game, usually when we've gone a goal behind. And we play so slowly, allowing the opposition more than enough time to regroup while we ping Hollywood balls across the pitch from right to left.

We've been here with Martinez and Big Sam - the fans baying for change. I really don't think bringing either Moyes or Hughes in on an interim basis is going to change the player's attitude or ability, and I can't think of any PL class managers available right now.

Depressing.

Clive Rogers
44 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:01:38
His team selection is awful. It has been obvious for weeks that Shneids, Siggy and Walcott are all finished. It was blatantly obvious even when we won at Saints, yet he keeps going back to them. He’s the same with DCL, he seems to decide he’s not good enough and leaves him out, then brings him back the first opportunity. What he’s doing with Keen, god only knows.
Martin Mason
45 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:07:21
I love this description.

There is nowhere tougher for visitors when the crowd’s hostility is directed at the opponent.

There is nowhere easier when that same fury is aimed at the home players, and it takes remarkably little for the mood to violently swing. There is an institutionalised pessimism here, doom predicted at the merest hint of a setback. It means when it does go badly wrong it feels rather self-fulfilling. The first boos arrived at the interval on Saturday with the score still 0-0 in a low quality but even contest. By full-time the atmosphere was mutinuous, Silva doing well to survive the night in position. It felt like a temporary stay of execution.

Peter Neilson
46 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:19:05
Just read this morning that he’s given the players two days off training. That’s the spirit. On the other hand I doubt an extra two days coaching with team Silva would be of any benefit.
Ernie Baywood
47 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:26:37
It's he really still our coach? This is more embarrassing than the defeat at the weekend.
Bill Fairfield
48 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:35:30
What he hasn't gone yet? The misery looks set to continue
Anthony Hawkins
49 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:39:39
I doubt the board will do anything until the new year as the next 5 games are horrendous and would reflect badly on any new manager.

May as well give Silva the rope and see if he hangs himself. 5 losses and we’ll be in the bottom 3. Can’t argue with that position.

Clive Rogers
50 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:52:06
Martin, we’ve had 20-odd years of it going wrong. Ever since Kenwright took over, and he’s still there. The show goes on.
Rudi Coote
51 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:52:10
Marco, you shouldn't have to "win the fans back", you shouldn't have lost them in the first place. If you believe that, then I believe you can win us the Champions League... and fairies. Time to own up to the fact that you are NOT... NOT a good manager. It's been proven, face it.
John Keating
52 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:53:32
I think the most damning indictment of Silva has come from Steve Ferns

Steve, give him his due, has consistently supported Silva when all about him, the obvious, has been said and shown. The continual failures of Silva over a season and a half have come to that disgrace on Saturday

I think even Steve has now come around to the obvious.
His quietness on here has been deafening.

I think the absolute debacle of Saturday has finally been the end for Steve and a few other Silva supporters

Derek Knox
53 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:53:55
Silva would gain a lot of respect from many supporters if he did the 'honourable thing and resigned' and before anyone refutes that suggestion, I ask you this, why should he be compensated for abject failure?

Okay he has a Contract, another act of stupidity by the Board, knowing his Track record why didn't they offer a reduced term Contract, and should he have 'proved he was the right man for the job, incrementally add to it in six month stints?

Unless they are money-laundering, they can't complain about the money that has been proliferated in Compensations alone, let alone inflated Salaries to Staff and Players alike.

It almost beggars belief that a Billionaire who presumably accumulated his wealth through acumen and sound judgements/investments can be so prodigal and spendthrifty.

Clive Rogers
54 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:58:05
Kenwright is another Peter Swales or Doug Ellis, clinging on to power in the face of disaster after disaster. When Moshiri took over, I am sure it must have been written into a contract that he remained as chairman for life.
We are stuck with him and decline tilll he snuffs.
Dave Williams
55 Posted 25/11/2019 at 09:59:29
I didn’t go on Saturday but if it really was worse the the Sheffield Utd performance which I did attend then my sympathies go out to all who went there, hoping to be entertained and having to sit through 90 minutes of dreadful tedium.
He keeps making the same noises after games but keeps selecting the same 3 or 4 deadbeats who just slow down our play and make us easy to play against.
He has to go now.
Jimmy Hogan
57 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:12:00
I'm assuming he knows he's finished, but the club don't want to make it public until they can announce his replacement. Horrible purgatory time for everyone. I work in the music business and many sensible, wealthy people who have made fortunes elsewhere have squandered money in the music business because they don't know what they are doing. I would suggest football is the same and Moshiri has been the fall guy.
John Davies
58 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:22:42
I cannot believe the deluded drivel that continues to flow from this clown's mouth. The man has ZERO credibility. More so I cannot believe Moshiri allows this fiasco to continue one minute longer. Oh and Billy Bullshit MUST be shown the door as well. We are quite simply a laughing stock, a joke of a club. I read a post earlier where someone described us as a "Bang average" club. I'm afraid right now we are not even that good. We have fallen so far it's criminal. In any other walk of life it's called dereliction of duty & all responsible would be summarily dismissed.
Bob Skelton
59 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:23:32
Watching Everton since Moyes left has been like living in a time loop. Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and now Silva. Does our board learn anything?
We finally get our sugar daddy to spend some cash and we blow it on absolute garbage. Where is the pace, power or creativity in this lot. Pathetic, made worse by listening to the players from the 80's and their unbelievable commitment to each other.
Where do we go from here? I have no idea. I'm going to watch the Star Trek episode where they got out of their time loop and send the answer to Bill...
Iain Latchford
60 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:34:00
Jer, your continuous backing of Eddie Howe is akin to Steve Ferns' of Silva. What is it that is so great about him?

They're points tally since being promoted in 15/16 is 42 (Everton 54), 46 (61), 44 (49) & 45 (54). So we've finished above them every season during one of the most turbulent periods of the club, with numerous managers all which have been (or about to be) sacked.

If he's such a great manager, playing attractive football, with all his players loving him, why do we consistently out perform them, when we're all over the place?

You say he'll go to a "big club" sooner or later. Who exactly? Spurs sacked Pochetinno and went for Mourinho. Do you think Utd or Arsenal will go for Howe?? Never going to happen. We'd get mediocrity at best.

Bournemouth have spent £160m in the last three years (including £20m) on Dominic Solanke). Not a fortune I know, but not like he's working on a shoe string either.

I don't dislike him, and he's doing a reasonable job, but who you are obsessed that he's the next big thing is beyond me. None of that stats point to that. If you were championing the Wolves manager I could maybe see it, but not nice guy Eddie.

Mat McConville
61 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:36:07
I couldn't see anything in his managerial record to justify how much we courted him, but I was willing to give him a chance.

It became very apparent that he isn't going to push the club forward and IMO very early. Any attempts to stick by him, irrespective of any temporary recoveries in results we might see, will only be a blip and delay the inevitable.

In terms of our failings, I don't know where to begin. We are a team that lack leaders. I don't see one. We look frail as a consequence. What's telling with regard to this frailty is that we don't come back when we go behind and we can't win away from home. Our delivery in the final third is woeful as is our defending in the final third.

My understanding is that he has been sacked and Unsworth will take the team. I can only hope that we take our time and appoint the right man. With Kenwrights influence fading I can't see us returning to Moyes or turning to a Hughes type figure. I know we have said this before, but this feels like an milestone moment for this Everton regime. We need a big name manager, even if it's for two years. This next appointment will be an indication of our ambition.

John Raftery
62 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:49:31
The appointment of Silva always looked like a gamble. He met the ‘anyone but Allardyce’ criterion voiced by many but if we had stuck with Allardyce and his coaching staff I am pretty certain we would not have lost as many games as we have this season or last. Eight of the team which started on Saturday played regularly under Allardyce who took us to eighth in the table.

In partial mitigation for Silva’s failure this season the midfield has been badly hit by injuries to Gbamin, Gomes, Delph and Bernard. Moreover the role of Mr Brands in failing to sign adequate replacements for players we have lost should not be overlooked. Gueye held the midfield together for three seasons. Zouma held the defence together in the final three months of last season. Lukaku was our best goal scorer in the last thirty years. We have nobody of their quality in the present squad.

Instead we have players overpriced and over here. Schneiderlin earns plenty of flack but Sigurdsson is even worse. Silva’s decision to keep him in the team at the expense of Iwobi was ridiculous.

Equally ridiculous are some of the methods employed on the pitch, not least the truly pathetic attempts to play the ball out from the back; from inside our own six yard box! Add to that the sloppiness which players are allowed to get away with, epitomised by Pickford hoofing the ball into the crowd three times in the first half on Saturday. Loose passing, crazy shooting, over hit crosses, under hit crosses, stupid challenges; our play was littered with all those with virtually every player guilty. Yet nobody on the pitch or at the side of it was on their case.

So what do we do next? it probably makes sense to get the next two games out of the way. Both are away against the top two. Anything like Saturday’s form will see us lose both. That will then clear the way for a caretaker to take over in an attempt to lift the team before the home game against Chelsea.

In the meantime those fans so inclined can retrieve their pitch forks from the shed to welcome back David Moyes.

Stan Schofield
63 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:50:25
It’s possible that Silva actually wants to be sacked, given the fact that sacked managers make a lot of money from their failure and seldom fail to find another job. The choice of team on Saturday certainly looked like he was trying for this, because it’s difficult to think of any other explanation for it. Other than sheer incompetence, but I find it hard to believe that someone would be that incompetent to pick such a team at home, especially when a win was so important.

We can sack him and get a new manager, and we’ll no doubt get a good reaction and some better results in the short term. But I don’t think it will address what appear to be big underlying problems at Everton. Unless those problems are sorted, nothing will really change.

Iain Latchford
64 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:51:55
*Excuse me using they're instead of their. Oh the shame of it...
Jer Kiernan
65 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:54:32
@George 36

A little from column A and little from column B :) You are spot on the players arent arsed but what must they be thinking ??

Silva is straddling the proverbial donkey, its legs are spread out in alll 4 directions, its tongue is hanging out and its eyes are bloodshot and crossed over and it aint going to get off the ground any time soon, ,,
"I will flog it some more and see what happens"

The idea that we take all these embarrasing defeats at home and he goes away for 2 weeks and comes back with more of the same,

To call him a 1 trick pony is to understate, A NO trick pony is more appropriate

@Ian 60

I have laid out my reasons for why I want Eddie Howe on other threads so I am not going to repeat ad neasuem, However if you were to suggest who YOU think we should appoint I am willing to discuss ,, if your not part of the solution your part of the problem :) Name your man and lets discuss ,

By the way feel free to type what you like i am no grammar Nazi as long as i can understand what you mean its all good

Eddies the man

Keith Gleave
66 Posted 25/11/2019 at 10:55:53
It would just be easier if you admitted that its a job to far for you and you resigned. That wont happen though because there will be a big fat cheque waiting for the sacking.
Sam Hoare
67 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:00:07
Nothing to see here really. So long as he has the job he has to believe he can turn things around. And so long as he has the job would we want it any other way?

Only two things matter now: how long the board have determined to give him and what the next result is with him in charge. If he gets 4 points at Leicester and Liverpool then he'll probably get some more time. Good results will always win the fans back. But it's hard to see it happening.

Rob Halligan
68 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:03:33
SSN are reporting that Everton are considering changing the manager before Sundays game at Leicester. FFS, only considering??
Also say some board members favour Eddie Howe.
Iain Latchford
69 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:12:19
Jer, the point is that I don't see the logic for going for a manager from a team that we are continuously out performing during a period of crisis. Bournemouth are two points ahead of us currently, and we are absolutely abysmal.

Which big club is going to snap him up?? You're stating things that simply aren't going to happen. Everton are by far the biggest club that would go anywhere near Howe.

All that aside, do you think we can just waltz into Bournemouth and take their (amazing) manager? Look what happened when we tried to do that to Watford.

As to who we get, you would need a crystal ball for that. Everything is risk when you're in this situation. Personally, if you offered me Arteta I'd be reasonably happy (although nervous). I'd much rather have Santo from Wolves than Howe. It's a very bad situation, and could go either way.

Steve Ferns
70 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:14:55
Rob, the decision should be down to one man and one man only, and that man is not Bill Kenwright. We went big on Marcel Brands, we got him here and now it seems that he is being side-lined whilst Bill Kenwright uses the current crisis to re-assert his position.

The problems at the moment are caused by reliance on players signed before Brands was here, and the wages that Kenwright paid them. If Sigurdsson, Schniderlin, Walcott and Tosun were not on silly money, they'd be gone now.

I don't care who some on the board might favour, it should be who Brands favours. The board should focus on what they know and leave football matters to the football guy.

Derek Knox
71 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:15:06
Rob @ 68, it's one thing favouring Eddie Howe, but how do they know he would accept the job? It has been mooted on here many times in the past, that Mrs Howe, does not like it up here in the North West, not keen on Liverpool One and wouldn't be seen dead in St John's Precinct.

So what are the chances? I wouldn't be averse to Eddie joining us, assuming of course we couldn't attract a high profile name, which unless it was Pochettino, would more likely than not have experience in the Prem, and therefore be somewhat of a gamble.

Eddie Howe, has kept Bournemouth in the Prem for some time now, on a bit of a shoestring budget so has proved his worth in my humble opinion. If we could only convince Mrs Howe or persuade Eddie to divorce her there is little chance of this happening.

Derek Knox
73 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:17:48
Welcome back onboard Steve you have been missed!
Jer Kiernan
74 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:18:27
@Ian 60
Here is some of the points why I feel Eddie is the "right" choice, If you disagree fine but you have to put forward an VIABLE alternative

We need somebody who will unite the club, Players fans board etc, this stuff matters more than any of the BS stats ( that up till last week proved Silva was doing a great job) Moyes and FSW (Benitez)will divide
Moyes is finished as is Benitez btw but more important Benitez is more concerned accumulating wealth and not arsed about the game anymore ( as proved by abandoning his family to move to 1984 for a fat pay cheque) shocking behaviour

Eddie Howe is the right man to deliver our Great Club to its shinny new stadium playing attacking football, He is within our reach, wont cost a bomb, wont need 200mil on signings(which we wont have FFP), is in his prime as a manager, and is one of US

And he fucking DESERVES it, he has served his apprentiship and would be his dream job, Do the right thing and good things will happen

Eddies the man

If you ask me would I prefer Simeone or Eddie well I will say Simeone but judging by the shocking names being bandied about and the odds on the bookies sites I think taking everything into account is the right time for Eddie

Steve Brown
75 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:19:05
We have tried the hire "young, inexperienced manager from small, lower level clubs" experiment three times since 2002 - Moyes, Martinez and Silva - and wasted over 15 years to the process.

The thing that Howe and Dyche have in common is that no club with genuine aspirations to crack the top 6 and win a trophy would give them a second thought. Given that is our strategy, why are we even discussing managers with this profile? We might as well all sign a pledge to be completely average forever.

Rob Halligan
76 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:19:28
Eddie Howe would not be my choice. In my opinion, he's a bit like Moyes when he was halfway through his tenure here, in that he is in his "comfort zone". He does not fear the sack while Bournemouth are sitting comfortably in mid table. Once he moves to a bigger club, the pressure will immediately be on him to produce results.
Steve Ferns
77 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:20:43
Derek, that's an urban myth. Are you seriously telling me that if Eddie Howe was offered the contract Jose Mourinho had to manage Man Utd he'd turn them down because of his wife's desire to live in Bournemouth? Have you been to Bournemouth? It's just a southern version of Southport. Howe will take the job if he's offered it. He and his wife would live in Alderley Edge or Wilmslow anyway.

The only question is whether or not he is good enough. I'm fed up of reading this crap about his wife. Just because a rumour is often repeated doesn't mean it's true. And even if it was true, he was manager of 2nd tier Burnley and not in the big time in the Premier League.

Thanks Derek, I was hardly gone!

Frank Crewe
78 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:25:55
I'm sure a good many of us watched the Sheffield Utd v Man Utd game yesterday. Now nobody is telling me that player for player Sheffield Utd are better than Everton or ManU for that matter. Yet there they were. Full of confidence and fighting for every ball. Every player knew where and how they were supposed to play. While Manu are playing like us. Hesitant, unsure, lacking in confidence. Their players struggling for form. The reason? Their manager. Ole is in the same boat as Marco. They have both taken on a job that is beyond their abilities to do. They don't know what their best side is. They don't know what their best formation is and they do not inspire confidence in their players because they lack it in themselves.
Reviving the fortunes of big clubs with big histories requires a manager who is confident in his own abilities and ideas. Knows how he wants his side to play and can get this across to his players and get them on board with what he is trying to do.
Every time I see a picture of Silva he always looks halfway between panic and about to burst into tears. Just like Martinez. Totally inanimate on the touchline, eyes downcast, an "I don't know what to do" look glued to his face. He was brought in as a young upcoming coach with new ways and modern ideas. He has plainly failed to live up to this reputation and should be replaced. We have a lot of very difficult fixtures in the coming weeks and we don't want a lame duck manager hanging on from game to game. A clean break is required.
Derek Knox
79 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:33:23
Thanks Steve, but what would your opinion be about the possibility of Eddie Howe being our next Manager, discounting the Urban Myths and all that about Mrs Howe?

Would you be averse to such a hypothetical appointment?

I must admit he has on a fairly restricted budget in the past pulled off some shock results, beating the top sides, but also been on the wrong end of a couple of hidings.

Iain Latchford
80 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:39:38
What are assumptions that Howe "will bring everyone together" actually based on Jer? If everyone is so together at Bournemouth why do they only accumulate an average of 45 points a season? That's 3 games away from relegation, (or near to it) every season.

Bournemouth are as inclined to allow us to have Howe, as Wolves would be to let us take Santo. They are both employed by other clubs.

Bournemouth are very hit and miss and concede plenty of goals. I also don't buy into the perception that they play fantastic attacking football. They look pretty average whenever I watch them.

Steve Ferns
81 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:43:27
Derek, I don't rate Howe. But, my father wanted him over Silva. He always rated him, and my dad was often right about these things. He did play to the highest amateur standard so he knew more than me.

Iain, why would Nuno come to Everton? He's already on a big wage, he's got wealthier owners at Wolves, his de facto Director of Football is the "super-agent" Jorge Mendez who is giving him the cream of Portuguese football. He's in Europe. He's got the club setup how he wants.

Forget you're an Evertonian, and give one reason why Nuno would leave.

Rob Marsh
82 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:43:57
4 FOOKS SAKE?

Is there anybody at that club with any sort of a clue what to do?

Jer Kiernan
83 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:50:37
@Iain 69

If you think what Eddie acheived at b/mouth counts for nothing fair enough, he has won promotion and sustained ( is very important that word and means he has faced many challenges, poor form etc and overcome) a good level while having the balls to play expansive football on a shoestring (all relative) Dyche plays rugby league for me btw

When i say he will bring everybody together i mean tthere is a lot of goodwill towards the guy in the game in general and the 2 main candidate are going to divide our fanbases and have questionable character IMO

Arteta has never managed ? When I say I want Eddie I believe he is the right man at the right time, it does not mean he is my dream appointment I am trying to be pragmatic here

In order for this discussion to have any weight can those piping in with negatives at least have the decency to put forward a VIABLE name ?

Otherwise what is the point we have to appoint somebody after all

Iain Latchford
84 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:53:44
Steve, I'm not necessarily saying he would. I'm saying that if you're going down the lines of poaching managers from other clubs (like Howe or Dyche) then he'd be much higher on my wish list.

Everton are a far bigger club, and (if he got it right) he could achieve much more at Goodison than he ever could at Wolves. Taking average managers like Howe or Dyche certainly isn't the answer to this situation.

Steve Ferns
85 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:58:37
Jer, there isn't anyone. It's the wrong time to appoint a manager. That's why the press are talking a long-term caretaker.

Did anyone listen to Stuart Webber, the Norwich Director of Football, on BBC 5 Live last month? If not, here's a Link


If anyone does not understand the job of Director of Football, then have a listen, as he explains it very well. He makes it clear that he always has two possible to take over at any given time. He is fully behind his manager (they were doing much better a month ago) but he makes the point that he could become incapacitated unexpectedly (car crash for example) or leave for a bigger club and it's up to him to be ready. I still believe Brands is good at his job and he would have had similar with Silva. Particularly, as no one was too happy with Silva last season. I don't believe for one second that Brands' two names were Moyes and Hughes. I can guess who did have them though.

Rob Marsh
86 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:58:47
I've just looked at the odds for the derby:

7/18 - 9/1

Have we ever been so far behind them going into a derby?

Mick Conalty
87 Posted 25/11/2019 at 11:59:37
It has just been announst on Talk Shite that Everton are thinking about a change of manager. Thinking about it !!!!! Unbelievable !!! Maybe they should ask Silva for his permission. EFC Basket Case.
Phil Martin
88 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:00:39
Let's clarify some misconceptions.

1) Howe's Mrs dislikes the North. While at Burnley his mum was terminally ill and he struggled to adjust to life far away from his sick mum. His wife didn't like Burnley too. I wouldn't get to concerned about them getting home sickness IF he joined us.

2) he's an average manager. Well he's got Bournemouth promoted through the entire professional football period and kept them in the Premier league, when they're clearly the smallest and least resourceful club. Year after year.

Derek Knox
89 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:05:29
Steve, of the names that we are being connected with Eddie Howe is the most realistic, and as I said before, he has proved he can hold his own, or rather his teams can, with a low budget against the top sides.

A pity we didn't get him before Koeman, if you calculate how much has been wasted since his erroneous appointment and subsequent Board incompetence. I believe with funding we could, although hypothetically, and speculatively, Eddie would have had us in a much more healthy position, and would have recruited some good players.

Maybe Steve, just maybe, your Dad was right!

Tony Twist
90 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:16:21
I am guessing but I suspect that Brands is actively looking for a replacement now (finally) after the board meeting but I think they will let Silva continue as the games ahead could tarnish the reputations of some, especially Brands. Spineless the lot of them if they don't replace now but isn't that typical Everton! In the same vein as Jer (74) earlier..Kovac 's the man! If you say it often enough people come to believe you!
Jamie Crowley
91 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:17:03
Eddie Howe?

Jesus no. I'd prefer Arteta as he's a sign of trying to achieve heights by tapping into potential, hiring a man who's been second in command for two of the top managers in world football over the last 20 years.

Eddie Howe has done a good job stabilizing Bournemouth. That's the extent of his managerial capability. When I watch his sides, I don't see anything dynamic or overly exciting. I see bang average.

If the height of your aspirations is 7th and Premier League football, Eddie Howe's your man.

Writing that last sentence, I'm sure he's absolutely fucking nailed on for the job, with our Board making the decision and 7th being the highest finish they can fathom.

Rob Marsh
92 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:17:59
It's one thing debating the next manager will be, but will they come?

Surely the main aspect any manager looks at (after the money he makes) is what he has to work with on the pitch, dispite the £ value of the squad we are what we are (crap!) and only so much of that can be heaped on Silva's shoulders.

As a group, they can't defend, dominate midfield or find the net upfront. The next manager will want money to spend. Will Mr Moshiri be so willing to dig deep again a second time around? I believe the new man will be told to work with what he's got and that's when most probably half the candidates will disappear.

It's who we can get and not necessarily who we want, it might be time to moderate our expectations?

Sam Hoare
93 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:21:39
Derek K and Jer, you say Howe has kept Bournemouth in the PL on a shoestring but over the last 5 years they have a net spend of £175m. That's only £50m less than us (and we have overspent horrifically).

Thats a higher net spend for Bournemouth over the period than the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Lecicester. It's a bit of a myth that they've spent no money.

Should Howe really be celebrated for keeping them mid-table? I don't see that he's done much in the last few years to make him an exceptional candidate.

John Kavanagh
94 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:24:12
Steve@70. Fully agree. The core of the problem is that Bill Kenwright is still exerting undue influence over the club. There's clearly two factions working against each other. Although Moshiri got his way over Silva when he should have waited until after Brands was appointed, Kenwright has been waiting for his chance to get some of his old pals back. The return of Rooney was his last 'success'. Kenwright now sees his chance and leaked his Moyes or Mark Hughes options to the Telegraph weeks ago. No other member of the Board (or for that matter Everton supporter) would have come up with those two names, least of all Brands.

If Kenwright gets his way then Brands will have no option other than to resign in order to retain any credibility as a DoF. Moyes' appointment would make him a laughing stock. If he is a DoF in anything but name, then he must have responsibility for identifying managerial targets to the Board and no one else.

As for Silva, he should have got the boot weeks ago and it's now too late. For me, getting rid of Kenwright somehow must now be top priority as any manager will fail whilst his malign influence persists.

Rob Marsh
95 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:26:33
Tony # 90

If Brands does not have a number of candidates actually lined up already, he should be sacked.

The active looking should have been done and it's the late interview stages now.

Jer Kiernan
96 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:28:22
@Jamie 91
I can think of Mourinho as a successful example of an assistant who went on to become a great manager, I am struggling to find many more ( I am sure there are many so maybe I am being selective)

I can think of loads that failed,(harvey,phelan, hartford, anybody under Sir Bollox Ferguson!) Appoint Arteta if you like it will be a "lottery ticket" appointment he will be learning on the job

The wish is with Mikel is he will do something he has never done before, the wish with Eddie is that he will improve on what he has already achieved over a long period,

@Sam

I am not happy those "net" spend figure are a tru reflection, 50 mill in Eddies pocket does not equate to the same in KLopps ,he is signing 20m here , 15mill there plus he cannot offer the wages or attract the players to B/mouth , As i said before you can skew any figures /stats to sound however you want them to, He is shopping in the pound shop compared to even us and we ended up with a bunch of show ponies

Do you honeslty think Mourinho could get B/mouth into the Top 4 of PL ? Cmon guys

Eddies the man ( Tony Twist you have me sussed !! )

Derek Knox
97 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:29:35
Rob @ 92, got to disagree with you there, I do not believe our players are all crap, but their deployment of late, has certainly fallen under that category.

Okay we have a few who I personally would not play, ever! Then again, like has been said many times we have little or no say regarding player selection or purchases in the first place.

While we have few if any, that could be described as World Class, we do have some very decent players, who I believe (my opinion only) would flourish if played correctly and had confidence in whoever is next to lead us.

I also firmly believe we have some excellent youngsters who have never been given any encouragement whatsoever by Silva, or even had a chance as a sub even for only fifteen minutes.

Jamie Crowley
98 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:33:20
Jer -

I don't like Eddie Howe, for all the reasons I stated.

In fact, we just need to disagree and move on. I'd prefer, hand on heart, David Unsworth temporarily in charge over Eddie Howe.

At least we'd be saying we want to eventually make the right signing and show ambition. We're not showing any ambition hiring Eddie Howe in my opinion.

John Raftery
99 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:38:56
Some Burnley fans reckon Eddie Howe was the worst manager they have ever had. Some managers are one club managers, comfortable in a certain environment, lost once they leave it. Eddie Howe looks at home at Bournemouth, a club happy with its lot in the smallest stadium in the Premier League and just happy to raise their game for enough victories to stay out of trouble. He would be another gamble; a gamble we cannot afford at this juncture.
Tony Twist
100 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:40:13
Jer, keep that faith and passion going, we need it. I just want a competent manager, like us all,. and Kovac's the man!
Steve Ferns
101 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:41:48
Tony, what makes you want to champion Kovac? He was slaughtered by all the press for his management of Bayern.
Len Hawkins
102 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:42:38
John Kavanagh #94

As far as I am concerned the ONLY thing that has never changed during 30 years of abysmal times at Everton FC is Kenwright's involvement with this club. Why oh Why couldn't his bloody Uncle have supported the RS.

As for Howe becoming manager that is only slightly preferable to Moyes or Hughes mid table mediocrity may be achieved but I think aiming a bit higher is the preferred option.

Rob Marsh
103 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:43:17
Derek # 97

Derek, I didn't say they are all crap, I said "as a group".

There are some decent individuals in there, but the blend, that is to say fitting the pieces of the jigsaw together would be difficult for any elite manager.

We need to do a lot of offloading and some buying again.

Steve Ferns
104 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:43:43
Tony, do you have the Athletic: Link
Jer Kiernan
105 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:44:59
@98 Jamie
Cool we will agree to disagree, whoever gets it I will back (except Moyes or FSW)

@Tony 100
I have said my piece I am going to step back, I cant be giving others at the club stick for doing a bad job when I am posting on TW while the meter is running :)

The concerning thing is we could still have Silva at Xmas ho-ho-holy shit

Craig Walker
106 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:48:20
Eddie Howe is another Martinez but without the trophy on his CV. I'll say it again, we do not want an up-and-coming manager (Howe) because it just does not work and we do not want a has-been (Hughes, Moyes). We need Rafa Benitez and we need to act before West Ham get him. The club yet again is procrastinating. We have a massive set of fixtures coming up and I'm amazed that Silva is still at Goodison. He should have gone on Saturday.
Sam Hoare
107 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:51:09
Jer@96, Mourinho has never managed or succeeded at a mid-table club which is why I didn't want him here, so no I don't think he'd necessarily do well at Bournemouth.

For me managers show their worth when they finish higher in the league than their relative net spend or wage bill would suggests. Its crude but that shows a manager who is getting more out of his players than the market deems they are worth.

Bournemouth are around 13th/14th for wages and higher for net spends. When Howe had them finish 9th I was impressed. Otherwise they have been 16th, 12th and 14th. So pretty in line with their spending and wage bill.

I think he's a decent manager but not done that much in the last two seasons to suggest to me he's the prime candidate.

Steve Ferns
108 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:55:19
Craig, Liverpool will win the league this season. There can be little doubt about that. Do you want the Everton manager wearing Everton branded clothing, waxing lyrical about Liverpool? Do we want Benitez to carry on his deference to Liverpool proving what a small club we really are?

Sam, you forgot about União de Leiria.

Tony Twist
109 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:56:43
Hi Steve, no hadn't seen that article. Damn this player power! He did oversee a 7-2 demolishing of Tottenham on their own ground, get to three German cup finals with two clubs and win the German league but I don't look into these things too deeply, that's Brands job! Thanks for the heads up, who do you think best suits, coz lets face it, its all about fit and if a manager fits our club then I think blue skies are just around the corner. He must know how to defend and attack also!
Jim Marray
110 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:57:48
Silva is an optimist unfortunately he is not the type who knows how to load things to deliver on his optmism and so he will not be winning the fans back in the near to medium term.
Reading the list of suggested new managers on here makes me laugh, considering that a lot people on here recommended Martinez and Silva makes me think that actually Howe and Kovac are not the right managers just based on past outcomes.
The club will get rid of Silva although that is unlikely to happen until just before Christmas. The most likely approach will be to Sheffield United for Chris Wilder because the board never learns so the fact that he and his team have looked great for the 10 minutes they have been in the Premier League means they will go after him.
There are very few managers out there who have the ability to come in and turn Everton around to push them back in to the top 4/6 where we want them to be so I think the best we can hope for is that the club does look a little harder this time around for a new manager who has built up some good experience and can get us performing at a reasonable level (top 8) and then plan to replace him with one who can take us up to top 6.
Jamie Crowley
111 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:59:08
I genuinely curious.

If it's a nightmare scenario and we can only get a bang average manager or a bullshit, Fat Sam-like appointment, would you rather:

1. Keep Marco Silva until the end of the year, or,

2. Fire Marco, and place Unsworth in charge until the end of the year


If you could only choose from the two options, which would it be?

Ray Roche
112 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:59:56
Craig@106

Howe May be, in your opinion, an “up and coming manager” but he’s the longest serving current manager in the Premier League. Just sayin’.

Iain Latchford
113 Posted 25/11/2019 at 12:59:56
Jer, it's got nothing to do with "decency". I don't need to provide a list of stellar alternatives to prove my belief that Howe is not the right man for the job.

As Steve says, the problem is that there are no standout alternatives at the moment. If there was Silva would be long gone. How do you know Howe is "viable" anyway?

I don't know what Moshiri and Brands have planned, or how much money they are prepared to throw at the problem. That, as always, will be a factor in who we end up with. At this point i'd probably go with the caretaker option until the end of the season, with the few to getting someone higher quality in the summer. Yes, getting Moyes back scares the sh*t out me, but getting Howe then sacking him after 18 months also does too. Areta is another risk, but maybe one I'd be prepared to take.

Everton finished above Bournemouth under Sam Allardyce, after another disastrous start. We must aim higher.

Steve Ferns
114 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:00:48
There's no one right now Tony. I think Arteta on the basis that we don't really know how good he could be. He's a risk. But even "safe-hands" Moyes is a risk. Give Arteta a go and if it is looking worse come March, then Allardyce is still on the pay-roll, so get him back!!
Jer Kiernan
115 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:10:41
@Ray 112

"Howe May be, in your opinion, an “up and coming manager” but he’s the longest serving current manager in the Premier League. Just sayin’."

Thanks for " just sayin " I will add it in the Eddie plus box :) I cannot believe how easily this is dismissed by some, How many "big name" managers have in 4 season in PL with smaller clubs ran aground, got the bullet or got relegated ( like Benitez did with Newcastle)

The guy HAS to have something about him or he would have been found out

Tony Twist
116 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:11:37
Steve, I just think it will need a manager of the highest level to influence and manipulate the board, players, authorities and most importantly the press and know football inside out to change the fortunes of our beloved club. So I would be amazed if Arteta is the answer with zero experience as a manager, he is a tea boy for Pep at the moment, can turn this club around. You never know though!
Clive Rogers
117 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:15:53
The problem is the board, and has been since Kenwright took over. Kenwright had no real football knowledge and it looks like Moshiri hasn’t either. So it’s down to Brands who said a year ago DCL and Lookman are the envy of the PL. Both their careers have badly stalled. I’d be happy just to get rid of Kenwright.
Derek Knox
118 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:18:11
Jamie @ 111, my man you drive a very limited variety of options but it has to be Unsie everyday, as opposed to the other alternative, can't even bring myself to mention his name, such is my disdain of him.

Having said that, Unsie would, in the best interests of Everton, do his utmost to achieve results, and wouldn't be averse to trying different options. Rather than stick to the same old, same old, expecting to achieve a different result!

I dare say too, that he would freshen things up especially in defence and not be afraid to introduce some of the talented youngsters to first team training/sub's bench/playing/

Jamie Crowley
119 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:19:30
1 pm and the acceptance of failure and unacceptable results continue. No action taken.

I honestly want them to fire Silva today, name Unsworth in charge temporarily, and find someone before Christmas.

Just show a pair and show your supporters you're willing, you know, and you accept that you have to make a change.? Try to be aggressive and make a move?


"Ah shit, Bill shot Denise. She's dead. Crime of passion. He always wanted her, and couldn't have her. He flipped the dark switch."

"Are we going to fire Bill?"

"Nah. Who would we name as Chairman? Let's not be too hasty and let's think about this for a bit. There's no ready replacement."

You can't make this shit up. It's surreal.

Jamie Crowley
120 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:23:28
DK @ 118 -

I agree.

Paul Tran
121 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:23:48
He'll only win the fans back in a raffle. I want him out now. I trust they are finalising his replacement before saying anything publicly.
Jamie Crowley
122 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:25:44
He'll only win the fans back in a raffle.

That, Paul, was very funny.

TY for making me smile when I want to break something.

Rob Marsh
123 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:32:04
I'm another one for Benitez and I hope the club isn't taking the same partisan attitude that some are on here about him.

If viewed on his record alone he blows out the water all the other candidates (including Poch).

This isn't the time to be taking chances on 'up and coming' types, we've just done that with Silva.

Jamie Crowley
124 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:33:00
Football 365 (crap, rumor probably, I know) reporting Silva is to be sacked within hours.

Think the original source is The Sun. So, ya, for once I hope they're accurate.

Christy Ring
125 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:33:02
Kenwright should have nothing to do with our next managerial appointment, even the mention of Moyes, stinks of him, it's an embarrassment. I believe Moyes did a superb job, when he was here, considering Bill gave him pennies to spend, and sold Rooney, to keep the club alive, his time should be up, along with Silva.. We should start afresh, Poch is probably out of our reach, so for me, Arteta should be approached, after working under Wenger and Pep, his time is now.
Martin Barron
126 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:34:05
Really worried all this talk about Moyes replacing Silva. In my opinion he lost all credibility the way he left for Man Utd. If anybody from Everton reads this site please note how much resentment there is to a Moyes return.
Rob Marsh
127 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:35:08
Martin # 126

I'll second that.

John Pierce
128 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:37:46
Steve, you are ‘whack a moleing’ every possible alternative. 😂😂😂
John Keating
129 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:50:54
Jamie
the priority should be to get Silva out the Club asap.

Every day he remains increases the damage he is inflicting.
The players, regardless of who the Club wheel out to toe the party line, are not playing for him or the shirt.
Dissent will just grow and increase. Once the booing starts there's very little chance of a comeback. He will lose more of the support each day, especially when he talks his usual shit.

Given your choice it has to be Unsworth until the end of the season.
If Silva isn't binned asap we are going to find us in a very bad place very soon.
As I say quite often losing, like winning, can become a habit

Kristian Boyce
130 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:55:31
Steve Ferns @77 comparing Bournemouth to Southport? Really?? I went to Uni there and that comparison is laughable. While the area around the stadium is in Boscombe is a bit of a dump. The rest of the city is a fantastic place to live. Plus it’s on average about 4 degrees warmer than anywhere else in the UK due to it being the last stop of the Gulf Stream.

I don’t believe Howe has any connection to the NW other than being a boyhood blue. There are many around that age, like myself who don’t have a scouse connection but are huge blues. He’s got really strong Dorset ties and a very young family, so I can see a lack of interest of moving up to the NW.

Derek Knox
131 Posted 25/11/2019 at 13:56:27
John P, the RSPCA are on the Steve - whack a mole case as we speak!

John K, 👍😋

Iain Latchford
132 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:03:13
Pep has been talking about Arteta being a future manager. Seems the link is with Arsenal rather than us though.
Jason Wilkinson
133 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:05:25
Saints 0 Leicester 9
Liverpool ? Everton 0
Will Moshiri sack him if its worse? It could well be. They haven't battered anyone yet this season and we are the gift that keeps on giving.
Never been ashamed to tell the world I'm a blue. Don't know if I could go out the house for a month if they twat us badly.
P.S has he gone yet?
Jamie Crowley
134 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:12:13
Jason -

2:11 pm in England, and still not a word from our Board.

Steve Ferns
135 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:16:24
John, I just don't see any suitable candidate. We need to get the appointment right. We can't be back here in another couple of years.
Jason Wilkinson
136 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:24:50
Let's hope they are locked in the meeting room at the Liver buildings thrashing out a severance deal for Bumble and his staff.
I wouldn't let Brands choose our next manager. He sold Jags (let him leave) before buying a replacement of any quality.
Here's a mad idea; let's tell the new coach he won't be allowed to buy a striker then see how long it takes before he says "are you having a giraffe ?"
I would tempt Ian Holloway to the job. Not because he's any good but the press conference would be superb.
"Ere I hope that Virgil van Dykes hung like an 'ampster"
John Kavanagh
137 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:36:30
Jason @133. Apparently not. The Board has discussed whether not to have another meeting to decide on whether to consider tabling a future motion to debate Silva's performance and how much more time he should be given before appointing Moyes or Mark Hughes.

John Moores would have had the taxi booked for Silva well before the Burnley match and the successor signed up before making Silva pay the fare on his way out.

Anyway, the Board has more important things to discuss like Christmas menus and getting the mince pies exactly the way Bill likes them.

As to the options discussed above, Unsworth has to be given the short straw again as he will at least give it his best shot despite the awful December fixtures. He has also learnt that Schneiderlin must be kept off the team sheet at all costs.

Liam Reilly
138 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:37:51
Everton could very conceivably be bottom at Christmas and out of the League Cup to boot. Bottom at Christmas invariably means relegation (only 3 clubs have avoided this fate in PL history).

Just can't see how Silva is going to turn this around; we desperately need a Adrian Heath 'Oxford' moment!

Really wanted Silva to succeed, but I'm in the Benitez camp now. He's the best out there that we have a chance of getting in the door and may well be happy to leave China with all that's going on over there - shocking stuff.

Jay Harris
139 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:48:39
Silva's record of only winning a third of his games in the Premier league should be a lesson to all.

Of course there are alternatives, thats what makes the world go round and changes happen all the time in every walk of life.

We need some balls and ambition. Lets give Brands the job of sounding out Pochettino, Simeone, Ten Hag, Van Gaal, Allegri, Tuchel sod it even Emery.

Lets start with an A list which if it doesnt work have a B list but FFS lets have some action and professionalism.

I don't know about dithering Dave we have a dithering boardroom all beholding to the magnificent Bill Kenwright.

No wonder we are a shambles and a laughing stock.

Are we an ambitious club or are we forever in the shadow of Kenwright.

Iain Latchford
140 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:49:51
Arteta was interviewed for Arsenal job, but lost out to Emery. I'd assume that if Emery goes (which looks likely) Arteta will be in the frame again. He wants to manage a club.

We may have the opportunity to get in first, as it looks like Emery is marginally further away from the sack than Silva. If this is the road we choose to go down we have to act immediately.

Time for Moshiri and Brands to make a decision.

Rob Marsh
141 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:52:03
Liam # 138

I hope there's more than a few on here read your piece, we are in trouble and most just see the £ value of the squad and think no problem. Far too much complacency.

There is only Benitez, I can't see any other choice, he blows the rest out of the water based on achievement alone. I'm terrified by some of the other choices.

Phil Martin
142 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:52:47
Hiring Arteta because you think you're getting Pep is a high risk act.
Minik Hansen
143 Posted 25/11/2019 at 14:54:26
David #12 "But as Danny(#11) said, 4-2-3-1 isn't working; it didn't work for Koeman or Martinez either. What is it about the formation, is it written into the contract?"

Makes you wonder, eh?

That pretty much sums up about the last 6 seasons or so.. unbelievable, ainnit? Well, it worked in brown shoes' first magical season..

Jamie Crowley
144 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:01:30
3 pm in England.

Seems our Board truly believe Silva can win the fans back.

It's 10 am here and I have to work. Is it wrong to crack a beer open this early?

Steve Ferns
145 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:02:11
Jamie, I'm surprised you got to 10am!
Jamie Crowley
146 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:02:58
The amount of restraint is super-human.
Rob Marsh
147 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:07:23
Can we really do another Silva and take a chance on an "up and coming" type?

Arteta no experience of the hot seat, atleast Lampard had a year at Derby.

I'd take Dyche and Howe over Arteta, atleast they have proved they can survive.

Dave Harvey
148 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:08:17
play a solid 4-4-2. wingers doing wing work. grafters in the middle job done.
Brian Porter
149 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:10:02
If the board truly believes Silva can turn this around, when he has the motivational skills of a dried up turd, they're as delusional as he is, and everything is lost and we might as well indulge in a mass suicide by diving head first into the Mersey.
Rob Marsh
150 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:12:36
Speaking of turds, Brian.

Silva is about as welcome as turd floating in a swimming pool amongst the fan base at moment.

Derek Taylor
151 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:13:47
Word comes to me that the Everton Board are hopelessly split on the Silva issue. Chairman Bill sees the serious position the team is in and can't wait to be given the okay to ring his old mate Davey 'for talks' whilst Moshiri, apparently, is anxious to stick to a promise made to the manager a month ago that the Board will review the situation at the halfway point around Christmas/New Year.

Given that scenario, I suspect most of us would take the latter option and work in the meantime to identify some really good candidates.

Rob Marsh
152 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:19:41
Derek,

It all logically falls into place what you've said.

I believe the club/Brands screwed Silva in the last window by not getting him a proven forward and CB.

Not sacking him now I believe is an admission of this.

Having said that, he's been poor with what he does have to work with and sending him on looks the only option. As you've said doing this might mean Moshiri has to break his word?

If Moshiri keeps his word there's a real chance with the next 6 fixtures we might be anchored in the zone of death come the new year.

Steve Ferns
153 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:24:07
Derek, if Arsenal sack Emery and make a move for someone other than Pochettino. Real Madrid keep up their recent upturn in form, Bayern hire someone, and Solksjaer gets United back on track, then Pochettino might find himself giving us more consideration. Things could look a bit more attractive to a new manager come Christmas.
Rob Marsh
154 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:27:09
Steve # 153

What's Pochettino achieved?

Steve Ferns
155 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:29:33
Champions League Runners-Up medal. Constant top 4 finishes. Stuff we dream about. He did it with a club similar to where Everton are now. New Stadium and all. Would you really not have Pochettino?
David Pearl
156 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:33:52
Were we not in a similar standing to Spurs when Poch took them over? Whats Poch achieved. I don't know if that was a serious question. I think it might be too soon for him to start up again. And lets face it Real Madrid and MU jobs are probably coming up for him to mull over soon enough
Rob Marsh
157 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:34:46
Steve # 155

What's Benitez achieved?

Eddie Dunn
158 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:36:46
Considering the possible candidates my choice last time was Howe. Of course he fits into that category of coming from a smaller club.
The alternatives are has beens (Moyes and Hughes), untried foreigners, (in PL terms), or experienced Benitez, Dyche,Howe and perhaps Wilder, then there are unknow quantities in Neville, Cahill, Arteta. There would obviously be some guys from Europe too but I would like a guy with PL experience who can speak English.
Who knows what the unknowns would do, so for me logically it is between Benitez, Howe or Dyche. If we could seriously interest Poch, then add him to the list.
Our fans would probably not fancy the dour reputation of Dyche or the Red links of Rafa, so that leaves Wilder or Howe.
For me Howe is the man. Has done well on a low budget and has played attractive stuff. He was supposedly a bit of a blue in his youth, he is a clear communicator and still relatively young.
Brian Porter
159 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:36:52
Precisely Rob. If the board are serious about keeping him till Christmas perhaps soneone should tell them what traditionally happens to the bottom club at Christmas, and if Silva is allowed to lead us through the next month's fixtures from hell that's about where we're likely to be come Christmas.
Mark Guglielmo
160 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:38:05
Jamie @111

1. Keep Silva.

No, I don't rate him not want him here beyond summer. But Unsworth? Naaaahh. Break the cycle.

We are not going to be relegated.

So why care if we finish 8th or 17th?

Rob Marsh
161 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:40:16
David Pearl # 156

David, yes it was a serious question.

Pochettino has achieved what Moyes achieved, he was given as certain amount of money and achieved a position in the league commensurate with that money.

And like Moyes he got to the big final and took a "Knife to a gunfight".

We need a winner.

John Pierce
162 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:46:24
My wife, keeping close attention to my mental health at the moment, casually strolls by and quips “surely you have some waterboi that can hold it together for you for a couple of weeks?” She then proffers ‘Hibbo’ at me with a mean spirited smile, “ah but then you wouldn’t score ”

Hard times in the Pierce household.

John Pierce
163 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:47:44
Steve, it’s time to start to reflect and laugh how bad we are as a club. It’s the only real emotion I have left towards them
Rob Marsh
164 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:48:09
Mark

"We are not going to be relegated." ???????


"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."

Bertrand Russell

John Kavanagh
165 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:48:17
God help me, I'm beginning to warm towards Benitez. He could use his new Chinese connections to book our entire first team squad for a team bonding session in one of China's new Education and Re-training Centres.
John Pierce
166 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:48:57
JaC, I could go a beer but have to trip up to the airport to get the first bus of thanksgiving relatives.

Remember the good ole days when Everton played Europa league on thanksgiving. heady times.

David Pearl
167 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:49:00
Rob,

he took a pretty big knife though. Our next step should be to get back to where Moyes had us year after year. We've spent a fotune going backwards. Poch would do that.

Rob 157
The only plus point for Benitez is that he might eat all the goodisonpies so that non of us have to.

Tom Bowers
168 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:54:12
I wonder how many fans of other clubs said we won't be relegated and then said hello, we are now a championship side.
Does't seem that long ago we were very, very close to the drop and a certain Barry Horne kept us up.
So much is wrong at the moment and Silva can talk the tak all he likes but it's walking the walk that counts and he is still on his knees.
Rob Marsh
169 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:54:16
David,

There's winners and there's losers in this world and I have good idea who the winner is out of those two!

Mike Gaynes
170 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:55:53
John P #162, your wife is now one of my favorite people, and I've never even met her. That was outstanding.

Enjoy your holiday. Sounds like you have a lot to be thankful for.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

171 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:57:23
Everton really do put us through the wringer, don't they?

The longer the silence over Silva's position goes on, the greater my disquiet.

We mostly only have supposition to go on, but I think it's pretty much widely accepted that there was indeed a high level meeting of the minds post-match Saturday.

Having appointed Brands as DoF, having promoted him to the board, in a properly structured organization, his should be the most prominent voice in the room.

Some months ago I posted on here that I had to believe that, as well as identifying possible players with alternatives in every position, he was also charged with identifying alternative managers as a contingency plan should Silva be dispensed with.

Now the whispers that are coming out may just be tabloid fabrication. If there is any truth in any of the claims, it doesn't make for happy reading and should be grounds for concern for all Blues. Here is what we are hearing:

* Moshiri is the one canvassing to retain Silva. Others are opposed. What others? Brands? BK? DBB? Moshiri's sidekick Ryazantsev? And were they ALL unanimously opposed to keeping Silva?

Moshiri's track record on identifying and appointing managers is not a happy one. By wishing to prolong the agony and retain Silva, is he calling it wrong again to the detriment of his investment?

* Moyes and Hughes are being mooted as caretaker/full-time replacements to the end of the season, minimum.

I can only imagine one 'actor' on the board principally pushing for this option, and it ain't Brands. If Brands has either candidate remotely on his alternative manager list, or is being persuaded that either would do, that would seriously disturb me as to his qualities and judgement.

* Unsworth is again being put up as a very short-term caretaker should Silva be sacked with no long-term replacement immediately available.

Like many, I willed with all my being that Rhino could take up the reins and step up to land the gig permanently. He believed it himself, saying on his first day: "I'm ready for this."

For many diverse reasons, it didn't happen. That he has not left Everton to try club management as the head honcho suggests to me he has found his comfort zone and is not cut out for the cut and thrust of being a PL manager.

If some or any of the above is true, then it suggests the following to me:

* Moshiri (as some of his previous public statements have revealed) really has little or no clue about football, full-stop.

* BK continues to have too much sway and influence at the club when in truth, he should have been completely - but COMPLETELY - put out to pasture three years ago.

* Brands either has no judgement, or little or no voice, power or influence, if his short list includes the names of Moyes or Hughes or is being persuaded or coerced to go down that route.

If there is any basis of such an outcome, and if (as IMO he should be) Brands is totally opposed to either appointment, then he may decide his own position is untenable and choose to walk himself.

Spurs, with a hugely superior manager to our own, showed us how to do things last week. Everything evidently co-ordinated, planned, signed, sealed, delivered and acted on.

Early evening, the popular and talented sitting manager is sacked, giving the media and the morning papers their headline. Within 12 hours, with many not having even seen the morning newsie, they announce the appointment of a mega-manager.

There is NEVER a good time to sack a manager. A club mostly does so in crisis. But personally, I am totally opposed - should Silva be sacked in the coming hours-days-weeks - to appointing a caretaker manager.

There is still two-thirds of a season to play. Yes, we are just 4 points above the bottom 3, but equally, we are just 5 points off 5th place, so compressed is the league this season.

To appoint a babysitter until May is to effectively concede and write off entirely THIS season. Why do that with so many points and two cup competitions still to play for?

It strikes me that far too many supporters are just regurgitating the names of the 'known'. There is little or no imagination in some of the names being put up.

Nor, IMO, does it befall to posters on TW who give good grounds, for example, on not wanting Moyes back to offer alternatives to him.

THAT is very much the board's responsibility, and none more so than the DoF.

HE will know the profile the club seeks.
HE will have the contacts.
HE will know who is available.
HE will know who is interested.

Again, just last week, Spurs showed a 'B' level club can land an 'AAA+' level manager if you have the vision and boldness to attempt it.

Does our owner, the board, our DoF possess the same vision and boldness to attempt the same for EFC?

Maybe they are going to surprise us, but this protracted silence and inaction doesn't augur well that this is likely to end any time soon, or even well.

Phil Smith
172 Posted 25/11/2019 at 15:58:09
Next few games:

Leicester City away
Liverpool away
Chelsea home
Manchester United away
Leicester City home (EFL CUP QUARTER-FINAL)
Arsenal home

7 pts and a win in the cup (minimum requirement) to save his job. Anything less and he's 100% gone. If we lose badly at Anfield he'll be gone though.

John Pierce
173 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:01:10
Mike, Very thankful.

To add the coup de grace, its our wedding anniversary today

’shot through the heart and your to blame you give Hibbo a bad name’

Mike Gaynes
174 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:02:22
David #156, what's Poch achieved?

How about three top-3 PL finishes and a Champions League final for the first time in Spurs history? And before that, Southampton's highest PL points total ever?

I think that's pretty snazzy.

David Pearl
175 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:03:50
He wont save his job he wont be here.

If we keep Silva l wont be going to Goodison again... for at least 3 months. (Even if l wasnt working away).

Moshiri. Jeez what a silver spoon. Silva was never the right man for the job. What was he even thinking. Shittiest manager since Walker. Probably worse.

Kristian Boyce
176 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:09:30
Interestingly I just read a report from Portuguese papers that Silva flew back to Portugal yesterday as the team had a scheduled day off today.

Read into that what you may, but you would have thought after a long international break and the disgraceful performance at the weekend they would have been in today. I’m actually thinking that the board allowed him to go as they are planning on getting rid either later today or tomorrow.

David Israel
177 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:12:03
If we go down under him, he'll again say he understands the fans' reaction. He's a very understanding man. We are lucky to have him.
Iain Latchford
178 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:12:34
Few would argue with Pochettino, however you're looking at £6-7m per season before he'd even consider it (if he would).

After having his fingers burned on Koeman, Allardyce and now Silva, I can't see Moshiri throwing that kind of money at any new manager, whoever it is.

Rob Halligan
179 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:13:13
Jay, good post and agree with everything you say. By all accounts, Silva has been back home over the weekend, according to papers in Portugal, see link below. My take on this is that hopefully Moshiri is waiting until he returns back to England tomorrow, before calling him in for a meeting to break the news he's sacked. Surely nobody could be that cruel to sack someone by phone, text or email

. could they???

http://sportwitness.co.uk/portugal-marco-silva-returns-home-country-claims-around-everton-future-rubbished/

Rob Halligan
180 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:15:15
Sorry Kristian, just seen your post. I was obviously typing as you posted yours.
Mike Gaynes
181 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:19:23
Rob and Kristian, maybe he's interviewing for a job in the Portuguese league.
Kristian Boyce
182 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:34:20
Rob, great minds think alike!

Knowing us, I wouldn’t be surprised if they told him to go and are planning to do a call to relieve him of his duties as they don’t have to deal with the face to face response.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

183 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:35:29
Rob, maybe he's back in Portugal house-hunting..?

I'm clutching at straws here, fellah!

I keep hoping and waiting for someone like yourself to come up with some good solid inside info, but no luck so far!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

184 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:35:29
Type or paste your comment here. PLEASE capitalise initial letters of proper names and use proper grammar. No txt-speak; all-lowercase posts are likely to be deleted
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

185 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:35:31
Type or paste your comment here. PLEASE capitalise initial letters of proper names and use proper grammar. No txt-speak; all-lowercase posts are likely to be deleted
Alan J Thompson
186 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:37:26
John Pierce(#162); Would your missus want the job as that's the first bit of commonsense I've read on here, obviously has motivational skills and seems a good judge of not just a player but the bleedin' obvious.
Raymond Fox
187 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:37:55
Phil # 172, your a hard man, minimum 7pts and beat Leicester in cup!
They will probably play better against better opposition but if we get 5pts I'll be delighted
Jay Harris
188 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:38:01
Rob,
I was told by a friend whose neighbour is one of the training staff that Silva has already been told they are reviewing his position (his opinion was that that was the sack) and that the board are divided on the way forward. (No surprise there then).

Totally agree with Jay Wood. If you act like a bunch of amateurs then how can you attract professionals. Why cant we act like Spurs ambitious, decisive and organized. Why not show ambition and approach all the A list candidates to see what they want.

Ian Pilkington
189 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:46:38
No news may be good news at the moment. No announcement from the board backing Silva or the arrival of Moyes, both options to awful to contemplate.
It is certainly surprising that Silva flew home to Portugal yesterday, if only for one night.
I am banking on his sacking tomorrow and not even remotely contemplating that he will still be in charge on Saturday.
Dave Abrahams
190 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:47:14
John (137), don’t be surprised if Unsworth’s name comes up at the board meetings, he’s well thought of I’ve heard by a couple of board members.
Frank Boyle
191 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:47:50
Phillip Cocu anyone? :-) :-) :-)
Rob Halligan
192 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:48:45
One in particular I've heard, Dave!!
Kieran Kinsella
193 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:49:20
Dave

Who is on the board? Is it just Mosh, dbb, ryz, brands and Bk?

Tony Williams
194 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:50:07
Rumours are that Moyse is being touted. He knew 12 months before that he was going and Kenwright (who cosseted him all the time he he was here) said he thought he was staying. He treated Everton and Kenwright abominabley. He was here about 10 years and never won a thing, we were just in a comfort zone as was he. He hasn't achieved anything, we never in all that time won an away game against the top four.
Mike Gaynes
195 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:53:47
Frank #191, Cocu would have been a good shout this summer, especially given his close friendship with Brands. But he just signed a 4-year deal with Derby and there's no way in hell they would allow us to even talk with him.

Kieran #193, yes.

Bill Watson
196 Posted 25/11/2019 at 16:58:13
From what we hear there's been at least two board meetings, since Saturday, and Silva is still employed.

Unlike some on here, I don't have an ear into their discussions so can only speculate that the reason we've heard nothing is because they're trying to sign up a replacement before announcing his dismissal.

It would be easy to duck the decision by giving him a few more matches to try to turn it around. The fact this hasn't happened must signal that Silva's time is up.

Until we hear otherwise the speculation on who will replace him is just that.

Speculation.

Dave Abrahams
197 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:00:08
Rob (192)yes, might be the same one I’ve heard.
Stephen Davies
199 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:09:33
Bill #196
I agree with that.
This is probably the most important decision Moshiri has had since being here AND he has to get this one absolutely Right as there can't be anymore missed opportunities as this will define us for many years to come.
Probably the most important decision involving this Club since Moyes arrived.
I suspect his thoughts will revolve around whether to bring in a caretaker to get us out of this mess or bring in that permanent manager now ( and if its the latter who would come with these upcoming fixtures and our present position?)
Rob Marsh
200 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:10:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8tAipt7oPE

Have a look at this boys.

Kim Vivian
201 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:11:04
It seems pretty obvious to me that the decision to release must Silva have been made. If not, it would surely have been announced he was being given more time. I simply cannot believe that the board (even our board) have been in debate for two full days now trying to decide.

The delay, surely, is trying to agree what/who next - but it won't be Silva. Nailed on in my opinion.

Mike Gaynes
202 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:12:34
Rob, that's pretty damn funny!
Mike Gaynes
203 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:14:37
Kim, I'd say it's more likely that the delay is in trying to reach an agreement with a candidate already chosen. I'd be very surprised if Moshiri and Brands didn't have someone (or someones) already on the phone before the game.
Derek Knox
204 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:15:39
Frank @ 191 surely we have had enough Cocups from Silva, but I get your connection through Brands, he's not pulling up too many trees in the Championship with Derby, so I think the Prem would be a bit too ambitious for him at this stage.

I know you said it tongue-in-cheek.

Jay Harris
205 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:21:53
Rob. LOL
Jamie Crowley
206 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:23:40
Rob -

My kid watches that YT channel constantly. There's a ton of good stuff on it.

It's 5:20 pm in England. Nuthin'.

Frank Boyle
207 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:23:55
Mike #195 and Derek #204. Thanks for your observations but you never know with this bloody club! A win percentage of 37% @ Derby doesn't exact get the pulse racing...
Brian Harrison
208 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:27:12
With all due respect and I know he has pumped a lot of money into the club since becoming the major shareholder. But I think Moshiri would be better off going back to being a full time accountant for Usmanov, because he certainly doesnt know how to run a football club. He has been here nearly 4 years and sacked 3 full time managers dispensed with a caretaker manager and is about to sack HIS 4th choice manager. How can you make so many poor managerial appointments, why should any fan have any faith in him making the right appointment.

Derek Powell
209 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:35:33
get rid of boa morte also gone backwards since his arrival
Rob Halligan
210 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:36:31
Probably a totally irrelevant point, but I find it rather strange that the official Everton website has not been updated since Saturday afternoon.
Derek Knox
211 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:39:09
Kim @ 201, I heard the reason they haven't come out with anything definitive, is because of the diversity of opinions, they are 'settling it by use of pooh sticks' it's just they can't find a convenient bridge and a fast flowing river. 🙌😂😋
Mike Gaynes
212 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:39:56
Frank #207, from what I've read Cocu's popular there, particularly the way he seems to have steadied the ship after the Keough disaster. That kind of thing can wreck a season, and Derby's owners allowing their manager to leave now would be borderline insanity.

Rob #210, the webmaster just hasn't had time. As part of Silva's separation agreement he's helping him post a LinkedIn profile for a new job, and they're having just a bit of trouble listing his qualifications and getting endorsements from previous employers.

Terry McLavey
213 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:40:39
Definitely deluded, he must have thought the boos on Saturday were a positive thing?

These managers know to hang on until they're sacked for the pay off. We need a new broom to sweep away the dead wood of which we have a forests worth!

Off topic, is it just me or does anyone else have a problem understanding what he's saying in post match interviews?
Jamie Crowley
214 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:44:47
Rob Halligan -

With pending relegation, they've slashed the marketing budget. Weekly updates only on evertonfc.com.

It is really odd they've not updated. But it's probably down to just crap news everywhere.

They should update with a big picture of Molly Pike and highlight the Ladies win this last weekend. Surely better than the Men's side, and at least the site would be updated!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

216 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:55:43
Rob, I also keep checking the club site and noticed the same 'freeze frame' on updates.

They even have a rumour news section which gets updated daily, often listing the most fanciful of rumours, but since Saturday...it's like George Orwell's Newspeak.

Or more aptly, the first scene in which the penguins appear in the original Madagascar animation, disappearing back down their escape tunnel:

Link

Colin Grierson
217 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:57:04
Oh FFS he's still here! I'll log off and check again in the morning!
Rob Halligan
218 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:58:14
Jamie / Jay, the women's and U23's teams both have up to date news as of today. I just find it odd nothing on the first team since Saturday.
Craig Walker
219 Posted 25/11/2019 at 17:58:24
Ray @112. He still is up-and-coming in my mind because his experience is with Bournemouth. He's never managed a club anywhere near our size. It's a different kettle of fish punching above your weight at Bournemouth compared to 40,000 fans demanding success. He had a spell at Burnley though and that didn't work out. I'd have him before Moyes and Hughes etc. but he's of the same ilk as Martinez and Silva, for me.

Steve @108. Don't care about his allegiances to the RS. I want a manager who has won things. If he can bring some of that lot's self-belief and luck then I'd take it. He's also managed Chelsea and Newcastle and did better than any of our recent managers. Mourinho has just gone to Spurs despite being a former Chelsea and Man United manager. If he brings them success, I don't think Spurs fans will mind one iota who he used to manage.

James Flynn
220 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:04:01
Mike (212) - Haha. Well done.
Paul Setter
221 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:08:20
He isn’t going anywhere is he? Would have happened by now
Gerry Ring
222 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:09:30
Oh my god! 🤭 His delusion on the sideline is now spilling over to his deluded opinion of himself and the loyal supporters who’ve seen enough from this guy masquerading as a manager. He’s History, now let’s move on and recruit a manager before Arsenal, Man U & West Ham are recruiting as well. The rumour is that Arsenal are lining up Arteta. We should have moved on Arteta long before now. Bring him in with Carsley who is coaching the England under 23s. Other than that, somebody might sweet talk Mrs Howe to let Eddie take over.
Brian Williams
223 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:10:57
Well he's been at Finch Farm today so no decision yet!
Steve Ferns
224 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:14:21
Craig, he's been relegated more recently than he won anything. I thought we'd had enough of relegated managers? And isn't Steve Bruce out-performing him at the moment?

The above is tongue-in-cheek though. For someone who isn't as bitter as most blues when it comes to the RS, I find it surprising so many could accept having him in our dug-out, when I can't. I also think that if he recovered us to 8th, as 8th is the norm, and then hit a bad patch, like everyone has done since Moyes, and Moyes did frequently, the fans would be after him quickly. That's a major issue for me. Right now we need stability and the next manager needs to be one who can weather a storm and be here for at least 5 years.

Steve Ferns
225 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:16:53
Brian, has he been at Finch Farm. There was rumours that he was in Portugal and would report for training on Tuesday. Which I find bizarre because why would the manager be away for two days after the game, and the Portuguese press inferred this happened every game. That doesn't add up. I thought Silva would be in near enough 7 days a week.
Raymond Fox
226 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:22:06
The rumour that Arsenal will engage Arteta is out of the Beano!
We don't want him here either, an inexperienced manager is the last thing we need the state we are in.
Jim Marray
227 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:27:40
@Rob Halligan (179), your post has confirmed something I also heard, the board decision is that Silva is on the way out but he remains in place while they chase their target. Appears we are looking to the seven hills for our new manager, not Rome but Sheffield.
Bill Fairfield
228 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:42:47
Everton board considering silva's position,what's left to consider,more dither and delay typical,get on with it
Steve Ferns
229 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:48:04
Rob, hasn't Moshiri gone home? Remember he is a tax exile. He can only spend limited time in England or he has to cough up. There's no way he has let Silva go to Portugal and is waiting around to sign up David Moyes.

My take is that Moshiri does not want to sack Silva. I have said this for some time. I think that like me, Moshiri will have been shocked at just how bad it was against Norwich. However, he told fans after the game: "We will have better days". That's defending his man for sure, and it's not the words of someone about to wield the axe.

I think the club is remaining silent and just going to get to Leicester with the status quo. Meantime Brands is putting the feelers out to his guys, and no doubt fielding calls from manager's agents. If the board gave Silva the vote of confidence they can't well sack him for losing the next two games.

So, I think it's a case of Silva's on the brink, his head is on the block and he can save his job with a miracle, meantime Brands has some time to get someone in.

Just my thoughts, but is it any more far fetched than the rubbish we've read in the press today?

Mark Guglielmo
230 Posted 25/11/2019 at 18:56:50
Rob M @164 no, we're not (bloody likely) going to be relegated.

UNLESS, you believe the other 19 teams can all better their form and table standing, and we're the only one that cannot.

It's basic statistical math that makes that scenario impossible. Everyone plays the same opponents twice. They take points from one another. *shrugs*

Trevor Peers
231 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:09:07
I can't see anything happening tonight, or this week, it would of happened by now, time is a great healer in football and the further we get away from the embarrassing Norwich result the more chance there is of Silva staying on, it will be onward to our next tragedy, the game at Leicester.

The usual endless speculation about which team Silva will pick and a miriad of tactical formations on TW, only for him to play his usual cautious safety first team that scuttles the ball up and down the flanks with no end product i.e. goals. Happy days for the gutless board, another decision dodged another 3 points lost, another load of excuses.

Craig Walker
232 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:09:47
Steve. I don’t think Guardiola would have kept that Newcastle team up. I know you don’t like Rafa but you were a big fan of Silva and trumpeted his record. Sorry but Rafa is ten times the manager that Silva is. I hated him and I liked Moyes but things change and we are a poorly run football club with a serious problem in attracting managers who are good enough. I’m prepared to bury the hatchet if it means some success.
Rob Marsh
233 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:12:15
Mark # 230

I recall we recently had a conversation about EFC being a transformed team after beating Southampton that had turned the corner?

I can only advice you to go cautiously as I did last time, on the subject of relegation there's quite a few Norwich type teams in this league and the rest of them are even better than Norwich.

Marc Sansum
234 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:21:36
Why on earth are some people wanting Howe. Ok he's English, but he's another one that's won nothing and bournmouth let as many as we do in :)
Brian Williams
235 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:25:17
Steve#225.
Steve according to a club employee he was at FF today mate.
Mark Guglielmo
236 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:28:22
Rob @233, I know, I know. I'm not predicting us to rocket up the table, not by a long shot. But I am fairly confident about my stance that all the other teams still have to play one another. Which of course means "team A takes 3 points from team B," then "team B takes 3 pts from team C," and so on. You know how it goes, there's a lot of giving/taking points throughout a campaign. Because of that, us being relegated is a statistical improbability.

Heck look at the table; the fact that only 8 pts separate 5th from 17th proves this out (at least through matchday 13). I can't remember a table staying this tight in recent memory.

My last reason is a bit more wishy-washy. I don't believe Everton is as bad as we've looked, and I don't believe many of the teams above us deserve to be there. There's a lot of parity and bad football outside the top 4 right now. This one is more opinion though.

Steve Ferns
237 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:31:51
Brian, Silva or Moshiri?
Jack Convery
238 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:32:37
No new manager until after the RS game and maybe after the Manu game - possibly a caretaker after Leicester. Who would want to come and join with that fixture list. Please not Moyes / Hughes / Howe / Dyche - Spurs sack Pachettino and go for Mourinho, showing the ambition they have - who are we a Ferrari or a Skoda or a write off ready for the scrapyard. On second thoughts guys don't answer that question.
Jamie Crowley
239 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:35:17
Is anyone else absolutely shocked he's still not canned?

I am. I really am. I know the easy answer to the above is, "Jamie, it's Everton FFS mate. What did you expect?"

But hand on heart, I didn't see any way that he would survive past Monday. Even Everton had to pull the trigger.

And they didn't! I'm just stunned. It's so unbelievable they'd not show some backbone and balls and make a change after this train wreck of a season, after this weekend!

God bless us, our Board is shite!

Is there a song / chant for that? There should be!

John Pierce
240 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:36:21
Jack - come on. Any decent manager worth their salt would look at it and go no expectation, lick their chops and go for it.

Joe Royle has no qualms and believed in himself and got stuck in. Do you want a guy who is scared stiff of a fixture list?

Mike Gaynes
241 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:36:23
Caretaker? We need a caregiver. Somebody with nursing, diapering and resuscitation skills.
Steve Ferns
242 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:36:46
Jack, you make a good point.

Watford got their ex-manager in for all the reasons people say Moyes would be good. He's had a nightmare and they look worse. Their fixture list did not help. Imagine Moyes came in and went safety first, and our team got smashed in all of the next five games. That's the new manager improvement gone and a team of players unsuited to the manager we have and a team in freefall.

Sorry, but Moyes is not the answer. And waiting until after the Derby to give the new guy a fair run might be better.

Julian Exshaw
243 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:39:21
Are we seriously considering Mark Hughes?? I mean seriously??? Sorry but he failed at Stoke and at Southampton. He's old school. Moyes, Hughes, Howe, Benitez. I don't want any of them but I'd take Howe if I had to choose. A very uninspiring choice. The board dithering around isn't helping anyone, least all of the players and Silva. It's a good thing we are not playing at home this week because it would be carnage.
This is a chance for the board to (finally) show some class and do the professional and right thing. Somehow I can't see it happening though. Dark days indeed.
Roger Helm
244 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:39:57
Whoever comes in (and barring a miracle it seems there will be a change soon) will have a hard job because of the recent terrible recruitment - no good CBs, slow un-creative midfield, no goal scoring striker. Only Pickford, Digne, Gomez and Richarlison would look at home in the top half of the EPL.

So no to yesterday’s man Moyes and no to a foreign untried coach and yes to someone who knows how to operate at this level. We won’t get a top guy like Pocchettino but I would welcome Dyche, Howe or Rafa ( who was only telling the truth about Everton’s small club mentality)

Jamie Crowley
245 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:40:24
Steve -

The only issue with that, is you're automatically writing off 6 points / 2 games. One of them the derby.

The whole point of these grown men kicking a ball around, is to win. If you throw in the towel accepting two losses the next two games, what's the point?

If Marco stays in charge, I have a feeling we are going to get pasted against Liverpool. And I mean a horrific, historical scoreline.

John Pierce
246 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:41:29
Chris Wilder - starting to emerge?!
Lee Jamieson
247 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:43:05
Why does everyone keep blaming Kenwright, he isn't the owner and according to Allardyce Brands and Silva it is Moshiri who is doing the hiring and firing.
Jamie Crowley
248 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:43:34
Julian -

No, we're not seriously considering Mark Fucking Hughes.

Paper bullshit. If he's named manager I will fly over, jump in the Mersey, and run naked through Liverpool. And I say jump in the river first, just to make that very chilly run through Liverpool all the more embarrassing.

It won't happen.

As for the rest of your comments regarding the Board? I'm with you 110%.

Steve Ferns
249 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:46:24
Jamie, I expect a West Ham performance against Leicester. If Silva keeps his job, then I expect the players to go out and give everything they have for him.

I also think that if you look at the numbers, Leicester are in a false position and are set for a fall. Sure, They will finish top 6, but they should be in and around Wolves, not keeping pace at the top. The all bear this out metrics. However, the same stuff also has Everton in the top 6, so yeah, take that with a pinch of salt. But I'd put money on Leicester dropping down the table a few places. Don't forget Rogers has a habit of going on bad runs.

Also, we are due some luck at Anfield. We have to get something there at some point. The Devil can't keep getting his way there.

Geoff Lambert
250 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:48:50
Jamie @239
Our board is shit our borrrrd is shit.
Repeat as necessary
Mark Guglielmo
251 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:49:54
Jamie @245, I'm sorry, had you not already written those 6 points off weeks ago? :-)

I know you're impatient about a change, but look at it this way. If you want change instantly, it would have been made already and in all likelihood with someone you would hate (Moyes, etc.), right? The delay is quite likely because the Board is doing exactly what we actually want them to do; carefully researching, contacting, and negotiating with managers/clubs who'd be a heckuva lot more palatable to us.

I'm just throwing a dart here, but I think many are forgetting that the Chinese Super League ends on 30 Nov. Allowing for travel, a short rest from jet lag, and an introduction, the specter of Benitez is possibly looming large. That would pretty much align with after the Derby, before the home Chelsea match on 7 Dec.

Steve Ferns
252 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:50:55
The name Hughes is coming from Everton. I'd like to think it is a smokescreen, some reverse psychology, "be careful what you wish for". Silva gets the next game as the board tries to leak it that it's him, Moyes or Hughes, in the hope we say keep Silva or take some time and find someone else.
Alan McGuffog
253 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:51:45
Steve...that lot give their all? They wouldn’t give him or the fans the steam off their collective shite
Brian Williams
254 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:53:47
Steve#237.
Silva.
Steve Ferns
255 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:56:59
Thanks Brian.
Jamie Crowley
256 Posted 25/11/2019 at 19:58:50
Geoff - thanks for that. I'll keep repeating over and over.

Steve - I have no idea where you're getting your positivity from. None. Leicester are where we should be after our "easy start". They might drop, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts they'll be in the Top 4 come end of the season. And I'm sorry, but even if we did "West Ham Rally" our way past Leicester and into the derby? Dude, we're gonna get shellacked.

Mark - It's not impatience. It's frustration that an uninspiring Board with no motivation is allowing this to continue. Actually, they are motivated. They're motivated to get their new, shiny stadium. But as long as the team stay up, their only motivation is their wallets and that stadium which will fatten their wallets. Because they surely don't give a fuck about the product on the pitch, or the will of the fans. Silva should have been fired Saturday night, and he sure as fuck should have never seen sundown on Monday. It's embarrassing, a dereliction of duty, and a gigantic middle finger (V, whatevs) to the supporters.

Derek Taylor
257 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:03:07
A few years ago, my brother-in -law, who is a staunch Villa fan, showed me a letter he had sent to the Club's wealthy owner, Randy Lerner. It began, 'You having invested north of 300M in the Villa, I feel somewhat embarrassed in saying so many of us consider your takeover from Doug Ellis has put a curse on the Club. Managers, coaches, CEOs have come and gone and many supposedly good players have been a total flop...……'(familiar ?)

I mention this because every time I fire off a letter critical of Moshiri, I feel almost guilty in that it is he who has put his money at risk rather than me. The fact that I'm worth diddly squat some way ameliorates that guilt but you know what I mean ?

But why is it that when the wealthy invest in our game, so many of them leave their business brains at home ? Are they seduced by snake oil salesmen or theatre producers who promise to put their name up in lights ? Or is it the expectation of doting admiration ? Who knows, but relying for guidance from the man who has trousered a big wedge of your 'in' money is not a good start. Neither is (just as with Lerner) forking out big money to sack, engage and sack four managers in three years !

John Kavanagh
258 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:04:02
Mark @ 230. By your reasoning, we need two wins from our next six matches to stay on course for survival. Given our poor away form and increasingly dismal home performances only Burnley and Arsenal at home look winnable. But before then we have Leicester, the RS, Chelsea and Man Utd. By then we could be in very serious trouble with a deteriorating goal difference and what morale there is shot to pieces. Watford would need two wins to overtake us. And that's for bottom place; not 18th or 19th. With just three exceptions, we all know what happens to the bottom club at Christmas.

Given the complete lack of fight in our spineless squad, the outlook is far more frightening than it was before Allardyce was called in, when people were panicking too soon (especially Moshiri). This season the threat is far more evident and bizarrely the Board has been less inclined to act.

Complacency is the last thing we need.

Mark Guglielmo
259 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:06:46
Jamie @256, even with frustration, which I entirely get btw, how do you address the "who?" part? The ones who are readily available and thus could step right in and alleviate your frustration, are I think, a whole bunch of crap you'd be equally unhappy with, no?

I forgot who you're banging the drum over, was it Howe? Whoever it is, would they available to immediately step in?

John @258 while true from a purely "point per game" perspective, that would also assume we wouldn't average more than a point per game in the 10 matches after them. I know that pessimism is an easy path right now, but come on. What exactly leads you to believe that Watford, to use your example, will double their win total during the same timeframe? This isn't like other years. The table is not good, and thus, extremely tight. Norwich, in 18th, is projecting to 30 points. "Magic" 38 pts my tuchus.

Barry Johnson
260 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:08:01
Despite his abject failures, there is no point in sacking Silva until the New Year. No serious replacement would want the fixture list prior to the New Year, as they know they would be almost guaranteed to lose every game. Not the sort of start a new manager would want. No, Moshiri will stick with Silva for now at least. He has no choice really.
Julian Exshaw
261 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:10:04
Haha Jamie@248. I'll join you on that one, bud!
Jay Harris
262 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:11:53
Lee,
Kenwright is the chairman. Everybody says he has to give the go ahead for transfers and other big decisions.

Knowing Kenwright as we do he has been the Machiavellian figure at the club since Johnson left and surrounded himself with yes men and accolytes and we wonder why the club is in a mess.

I have a very good friend that was told by Keith Harris he was glad to see the back of Everton the board is the most dysfunctional he has ever seen. Tie that in with Paul Gregg saying he would fund KD if BK resigned and you have an idea of kenwrights reign.

Jamie Crowley
263 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:11:57
John Kavanagh is completely spot-on.

This time around is not a knee-jerk, grab your Fat Sam situation (dirty pun intended).

We are in serious, serious danger of going down now.

I didn't think it was even remotely possible, but it is presently.

And here's the real rub of it all. Look at the players we have. Does anyone think we should be below Newcastle? Does anyone think we should be losing to Villa or Norwich convincingly? Does anyone think we should be in 15th place, with a -7 goal differential, winning only 4 out of 13 games, and staring at the relegation zone with 4 hellish games in our future possibly making it all worse?

No!

How this level of performance is tolerated is just inexplicable.

Peter Neilson
264 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:21:47
Barry (260) I understand the point you’re making but the “easy” games have been played. After the New Year our first five of six way games are pretty much London based so its not getting easier. We’d be in danger of keeping Silva until Southampton at home in April. Change is needed now but it will be difficult with the spineless and unbalanced squad that we have.
Mark Guglielmo
265 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:22:28
Jamie @263, I doubt I'll change your mind, but the operative word in your comment is "presently." Meaning, matchday 13. EVEN if we lose the next 6 (still unlikely), the 8 after it are Burnley, Newcastle, City, Brighton, West Ham, Newcastle again, Watford, Palace. Do you really think we won't accumulate 16 out of the next 42 pts (putting us at 30)?

To be clear, I'm not the least bit suggesting we should pop champagne over this, but that'll be matchday 26. It won't be pretty, but there's very, very little chance of us being relegated. Very little. And all of this assumes it's still Silva at the helm.

Which circles back to our earlier comment exchange, who do you want to come in and improve things, and are they readily available? The idea of a caretaker disgusts me. The idea of a caretaker like Moyes, Hughes, Unsie and the like disgusts me to the point of shoving an icepick in my right eye.

(p.s. we're not getting relegated)

Tony Everan
266 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:32:38
As soon as any manger put Schneiderlin's name on the team sheet The first thing I thikg is, ''Oh shit'' , Then if I see Walcott, I think ''fuck'', Then Tosun up front on his todd '' no excitement here'' Sigurdsson in the no10 hole ''wont work''

When the manager picks teams with these ineffective players starting how the hell is he going tot get the fans onside?

If players are not producing week after week, give the likes of Anthony Gordon a chance, Play Kean, play Iwobi instead of Sigurdsson... inject something different, create a different dynamic. Why go down the same route of failure?

I just cannot understand the lack of creativity in trying to do something different to get us playing with a bit of verve and energy. It is a fucking disgrace that we cant get on the front foot at home against the likes of Norwich etc., creating havoc and decent chances. It's what Everton at home is about. I'm sick to death of having to put up with the chronic sub-mediocrity of what we are seeing.

Get someone in who can give us our heart and soul back, Marco Silva has fallen way short.

Moyes's time has been and gone, I can't see him connecting with the players. Just because he keeps in touch with Bill shouldn't qualify him for the job. His recent record is abysmal.

Arteta interests me, an intelligent man, schooled by the best, and I am sure the players would respect and respond to him.

I like Tim Cahill too, I think he has got blue blood and loves the club. He is an uncompromising character and has a ruthless streak in him.

It's a big call mid season to hire an unproven manager, but whoever we get in will be risky. Even the safe pair of hands experienced manager like Benitez comes with big risks as it wont take much for the fans to turn on him. He would have to hit the ground running, which may be a plus point. He would have to take a pay cut, but would probably jump at the chance.

Allan Board
267 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:43:58
There is one way to guarantee you can "win" the fans back Silva-leave. And if you can fit Kenwright in your suitcase too, we will consider you a legend sir.
Trevor Peers
268 Posted 25/11/2019 at 20:44:39
Doubt there will be a new manager untill we have played these tough 5 games we have coming up, it would smash the confidence of the new man, so we can sit back and watch Silva earn the £4 million plus pay off he will receive.
David Pearl
269 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:04:29
Trevor, we can’t afford to wait 5 games to replace our manager. I know the last time we had this kind of run of tough fixtures our form markedly improved. If that happens again we might be in danger of keeping Silva on longer.
Peter Neilson
270 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:06:39
Surely a manger who would only want to come in when there are “easier” games coming up is the wrong man. Anyway we’ve had the “easy” ones and blown them. Every game is hard for us now.
Trevor Peers
271 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:09:37
Hope your right David, although we had a better team last time with Gueye and Zouma, I can only see defeats this time, but you never know.
Kase Chow
272 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:10:06
Tony #266

Spot on mate

Kim Vivian
273 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:19:17
Mark - 265. I think you need to cut back on your happy pills. Your comment to Jamie is very reminiscent of your comment to me on Friday when I said Norwich should not be taken lightly. You came back with the "haven't won away and only scored one away goal" line.

The rest is now..... well, where we are!

We are in SERIOUS danger of the drop. A bad run over the next 7 - 8 games will leave the squad so demoralised it will be hard to pick them up again.

The change needs to happen now.

Michael Lynch
274 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:20:55
In mitigation, our summer signings have been a nightmare for Silva - Gbamin, Gomes and Delph all injured, and two of those are very long term injuries, which severely restricts our midfield options. On the other hand, he clearly doesn't know what to do with Kean, and he has unfathomably preferred Siggi to Iwobi in the number 10 role.

James Marshall
275 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:27:09
Dead man walking. He's Martinez all over again, rambling through his pointless interviews looking lost, mumbling and saying nothing.

I went on the record before he joined the club as one of those they didn't want him, and sadly he's been as shit as expected. He's a joke of a manager. Useless motivator, and the tactical nouse of a banana.

Mark Guglielmo
276 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:46:15
Kim, maybe you should start taking some happy pills! You'll be...wait for it...happier! I simply prefer optimism, no matter how many times I could be proven wrong, it's a better way to traipse through life. In this instance, my optimism is supported by statistical projections. They're not always 100%, obviously, but neither are doom & gloom opinions based on "gut."

Oh, and hang on, where did I say the change didn't need to happen? Since you apparently believe we're certain to be relegated, then who do you support replacing Silva right this very second?

Mike Doyle
277 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:49:49
Villa beating Newcastle - about to shunt us one place closer to the relegation zone.
Derek Knox
278 Posted 25/11/2019 at 21:50:56
Slightly off topic here, and apologies if someone has already mentioned it, there are so many similar threads running at the moment, but didn't Kenwright say quite some time ago, that he would be stepping down, due to health reasons?

That feels to me like being at least two years ago, maybe longer, but he is still lingering like a bad odour!

Tony Abrahams
279 Posted 25/11/2019 at 22:06:32
Probably Derek, he talks like he can’t go on forever, like he’d be really missed, irreplaceable even, considering he thinks we couldn’t get no-one better to do the job.

Loads of people believe him, I worry that his curse will never end, but his ego is incredible, and I loath standing on Goodison Rd, looking up at the the biggest jinx at Everton, with his face looking down on the ticket office, as he tells us all he’s only ever done it for love.

Jack Convery
280 Posted 25/11/2019 at 22:18:42
In any business there is someone whose ethos permeates throughout the company - take Trump at the White House for an example. The person in our organisation is Kenwright. His persona is someone who looks at EFC through blue tinted glasses. Ex players are mates to be looked after. Having Blue Blood is a guarantee of favours delivered - thank god Prince Andrew, though Blue Blooded is not an Evertonain, otherwise his new role would be as an Ambassador on match days for pensioners obviously - we don't want a conflict of interest do we ?

I digress, what I want to say is there is an amateurish ethos at EFC and its been there for years under Kenwright and Johnson before him. Loyalty to blues past and present, always a job available, even if its putting the cones out at Finch Farm and I don't mean on the practice pitches but in the car park.

A Premiership Football Club or any Club for that matter, that wants to be successful has to be totally professional at all times - even if it means saying NO to people - remember Rooney ( 2nd time around ), step out of line with a pair of inflated boobs ? What happened - f all.

EiTC is the Charity side, so let that take care of itself and ex players but the football club must come first, second and third. No more sentimental signings, including Moyes as life doesn't work like that. I hate the RS but would they, if Klopp left say Roy !! Roy Hodgson come on down ! Would City if Pep left get on the phone and say Sparky we need you ! No of course not but with EFC you know they would and that's the difference and the reason Kenwright must quit the board and his involvement in EFC. Moshiri will rue the day if he keeps him around. By all means give him a box for life or whatever but for godsake don't let his ethos continue to permeate throughout Goodison as in my opinion it so obviously does.

Professionalism is required throughout the club and right now its totally missing and we the supporters who should come before favours to past players need to see improvements all round in how the club is run, from the boardroom down. If EFC bring in some one who is not in the Mourinho type bracket ie been there and done it, it would be a betrayal of us supporters and I for one will call it a day. 60 years is a long time to follow EFC, when for the most part they have under achieved but not for a stretch of 25 years, with the football played since Moyes first arrived not being of the highest quality to say the least -one season of Martinez apart, when we actually had a goal scorer - remember what a goal scorer is EFC ? because I'm starting to forget. Though I do recall we once had goalscorers like Dixie, Gray, Vernon, Sharp, Lukaku, Royle, Latchford, Lineker etc etc to name a few.

So get to it and give us a proper manager, a proper team and make us proud of our team instead of despairing as we now do - practically every season.

Ken Kneale
281 Posted 25/11/2019 at 22:25:47
Mike you beat me to it. Sad to say we are in a relegation situation given the paucity of character and passion within this manager and squad - forget on paper quality - if that counted we would not be where we are currently. Would you honestly back this gutless manager and team to produce a comeback al la Wimbledon? I certainly would not. We said in 97 'never again', but sadly we are right on the periphery now and potentially in deep by January. The board by prevaricating over Silva going have now made the situation much harder - sticking or twist now both carry significant long term risks to the Club. The dysfunctional state of the boardroom is now clear for us all to see and the poor decision making of the last thirty years gives us little currency within the game. We are truly now a Samson shorn and I feel at a watershed moment in Everton's history. Any further slippage down the hierarchical order will render Everton's name meaningless in terms of younger supporters coming through who will see us as just a meandering lower mid table club. I look forward to updates of John Roberts Centenary history for the 150 years and many other excellent reads about Everton such as James Corbett's et all for how Kenwright's tenure will be judged in due course.
Mike Gaynes
282 Posted 25/11/2019 at 22:29:29
DK #278, that was a widespread rumor nearly two years ago when his ill health became known, but Kenwright made no such announcement.
Kim Vivian
283 Posted 25/11/2019 at 22:35:58
Hello again Mark.

Believe me I am as 'glass half full' as anyone. To the extent that an almost empty glass might seem half full at times. I have never said we are certain to go down but I do fear we are in serious danger of it. I know you are advocating change but want to wait until Summer (?) I think. My view is that that is an enormous risk and we should pull the trigger now. No-one would be happier than myself however, if Silva stayed and managed to get the results over the rest of the season that we should have been getting so far this year.

As to who at this second I think should come in I have trouble answering. Assuming availability and willingness I'd perhaps say Ten Hag, but of the more realistic nominees being bandied about I'd fancy Howe I guess. At least he might bring Frazer and/or Wilson with him.

Thing is I'm not much of a statto and don't really follow the European leagues other than CL so not particularly informed so I remain happy to trust in Brands if I was confident he was not being shafted.

Mark Guglielmo
284 Posted 25/11/2019 at 22:50:13
Hi Kim :-)

The only thing I'm advocating for is making the change the second we have a long-term, viable option who is here for the long haul and aligns with Brands vision. If it's tomorrow, awesome, sign me up. If it's summer, well, the next 6 mos. are going to be painful, but I guess it'll have to do.

I hate the caretaker route and would actually say I'd rather be miserable than go that way.

All of the above is because I'm confident we won't be relegated, despite there be a (slight) chance. Anything's possible, I know that. Cheers!

Paul Birmingham
285 Posted 25/11/2019 at 22:51:04
It’s the same after matchbroken record after most of the games, Marco Silva has managed.

There’s never been robust consistency and the unpredictability like at Fulham last season is always likely, just like last Saturday v Norwich.

The board must be ruthless as the shreds of another wasted season are filling up the compost heap again at Finch Farm.

God help us in 2 weeks time at our old ground. If not gone before that game, then surely the Derby will draw the curtain.

The board must act and pay top rate, else risk the very strong fate that belies teams with Everton’s form this season.

If Norwich can turn us over so easily, then every other team beneath us can too, as well as the ones above us.

I’d like to see what being coached this week at Finch Farm..If..

Kim Vivian
286 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:06:45
Mark - 284, Well at least we have the weather to look forward to !
Colin Maughn
287 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:08:19
Why cant we approach Poch or Allegri? Nothing beats a try.
Derek Thomas
288 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:16:21
Jack @280; 'May' Rue the day. I bet Moshiri is already well past that stage.

We have a total dogshit team, with players who make statues look like they have St Virus's dance, who lost to the bottom of league at home. Yet there's not ONE player in the Under whatevers, in these dire times that couldn't come in, even as a last gasp million to one chance? Not one??...and I don't want to hear how it might ruin the poor snowflakes future development to thrown in the toxic deep end blah blah.

What's the point of the whole set up if it can't turn out somebody with more go in him than Schneiderlin.

Or is this another Silva blindspot to go with the many others?

Another day gone and for what?

Mike Gaynes
289 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:18:09
Colin #287, you are assuming we haven't.

Don't assume.

David Pearl
290 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:20:15
We will not get any manager who is already employed at present and most definitely not a manger currently employed by a premier league or champions league team.
Derek Knox
291 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:27:42
Mike G @ 282, I bow to your knowledge there, but I was almost convinced I had read it somewhere. Mind you my memory isn't as good as it used to be, and I know you keep pretty meticulous records. 👍
Mike Gaynes
292 Posted 25/11/2019 at 23:54:53
Records? Me? Hah. That's what those silly tax investigators think.
Brian Porter
293 Posted 25/11/2019 at 00:07:58
Well, that's us down to 16th tonight after Villa's win. Silva is never going to turn this nightmare round and Moshiri should forget any so-called promise to give Silva till January because by then we could have one foot in the Championship.

He's supposed to be a hard-headed businessman so for fuck's sake why doesn't he show it, and GET RID.

Mark Guglielmo
294 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:12:58
Colin @287, we can approach them, who says we can't? But you do realize it takes 2 to tango, right? Poch is literally a pie in the sky, so ask away but don't be surprised if your call isn't returned.

And then there's the issue of his buyout being voided if he goes to another EPL team this year. Beyond that, with Bayern Munich & Real Madrid very likely lined up as suitors, would you pick us over those teams?

Allegri? No idea tbh. I'd certainly take him and be happy, though he is on record as saying he doesn't want to manage beyond 2021 (he said age 50, I filled in the year). If I were him I'd just sit there on the Italian Riveria drinking Negronis.

We're gonna get Moyes and I'm gonna cry.

Colin Maughn
295 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:13:14
Mike@ 289 That was based on the fact that I did not hear or see anywhere that we did. Point taken
Colin Maughn
296 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:20:59
I am from Barbados. I have been supporting Everton my whole life from this distance. I really want the club to get things together and be a force to be reckoned with. I am tired of people on the island asking me who I support and when I say Everton they laugh and tell me to get with the program or say you old.
Mike Gaynes
297 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:31:34
Colin, don't let them get you down... just enjoy the sun there and keep the faith.

A Barbadian goalkeeper I played with used to say, "God don' come, he send." (Usually after making a big save.)

I think now is the time for all of us to repeat it. We'll get a good manager.

Colin Maughn
298 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:40:50
Mike@297 You got the phrase right. I don't jump on the bandwagon because other teams are winning. I just want the club to get it together. Trust me, I asked God to hurry and send a good manager. I don't want Moyes back. I hated the way in which he left us for Man Utd. I just want someone who will get the job done.
Lee Brownlie
299 Posted 26/11/2019 at 02:12:14
I personally believe that we may well 'bounce back', ironically more likely against the better teams, than against the relative crap we've been allowing to push us aside, too often, thus far!!

But, even if that happens, that will be because the players want to raise their game against such opposition... and so it simply will not be down to the manager!! He clearly cannot motivate these players, and, far more damingly, perhaps, he cannot keep them motivated – even when we have (occasionally!) played seemingly well!!!

For me, as I've said before, this man seems to see 'managing' a football side, as just a video game-style pick-your team, a basic tactic, then watch your players roll out onto the pitch and do their stuff!! FFS. None of the real hands-on work, and certainly no motivational skills considered or applied, in this man's mind, I'd say was increasingly clear!

Hence, we play well, or half-well, when enough of the players, themselves, fancy giving it a go.. and absolutely not when the manager gees them up to do so, as he – as with so many other recent EFC managers – clearly doesn't even see that as part of his job remit!! To me, Silva quite evidently expects that if the players are given what he thinks are some decent 'tips' on what he wants, play-wise, on the pitch, then that in itself will carry them through and serve as all the motivation they need!

Of course, that kind of thinking, despite seeming so stupidly common amongst the modern (but actually mostly just run-of-the-mill!) football team managers, is clearly just bullshit.

Basically, despite a few decent (or again, half-decent) displays, it's clear that our current incumbent does not even get the actual full requirements of becoming a success with his... our great club... and he certainly doesn't get the old inescapably true saying that "All that (occasionally) glitters is not gold'.. especially when its name is 'Silva', ffs!!!

Alan J Thompson
300 Posted 26/11/2019 at 05:38:41
Derek(#278); Kenwright has stepped down from Chairman and majority shareholder to Chairman and minor shareholder. As for his health, he's still shocked he got paid so much for most of his shares and got someone who let him stay on.

As for Moyes returning, it's his re-run of David Cassidy as Bill once more rises to save our club, speech in hand and microphone in the centre-circle announcing how he will never let this happen again.

As they say in theatrical circles, Bloody Nora!

Mal van Schaick
301 Posted 26/11/2019 at 08:51:34
R Kelly believed he could fly!
Bill Fairfield
302 Posted 26/11/2019 at 09:34:26
Mr Moshiri leaps from one managerial crisis to another with great aplomb.Before he appoints his next manager he needs sound advice from good football people rather than a well meaning but sentimental theatre impresario
Martin Nicholls
303 Posted 26/11/2019 at 10:05:12
"Everton expects success. We've a very good crowd and our crowd are very loyal. But of course they pay money and they expect to see us do well. If we don't do well, something should be done about it, and something will be done about it" - if only Moshiri were as determined to see EFC performing well on the pitch as John Moore's was.
Jamie Oliver
304 Posted 26/11/2019 at 10:39:35
Logged in for the first time in a long time, just in hope Silva somehow read this. NO, NEVER, JUST GO!

COYB!

Derek Taylor
305 Posted 26/11/2019 at 13:08:19
So, according to SSN, the Club confirms what I was told yesterday and passed on via this medium viz. 'Silva will remain in post whilst the Club considers the situation further'. In other words Moshiri and Kenwright can't agree on the way forward !
Mark Guglielmo
306 Posted 26/11/2019 at 14:09:26
Derek, not sure your thoughts, but to me the true issue your comment highlights is that Moshiri & BK are the ones making the decision.
Bobby Mallon
307 Posted 26/11/2019 at 14:55:18
Most of you wanted big Sam out he would have had us top half now, fact
James Hughes
308 Posted 26/11/2019 at 15:00:46
Bobby, how the feck is an idea in your head a FACT.
it is a best an opinion, not a fact. What do you want to say next, Sam should never have been sacked, period
Paul Jones
309 Posted 26/11/2019 at 15:05:28
Moshiri should employ Bobby Mallon. Imagine having a manager who could tune into the multiverse? Definite advantage there
Rob Halligan
310 Posted 26/11/2019 at 15:17:58
Bobby, are you using a pseudonym name, as that's the kind of shite my mate would say. He actually thinks we should have kept hold of Allardyce and given him a three year contract.
Mike Gaynes
311 Posted 26/11/2019 at 15:34:44
Maybe Bobby's right... Fat Sam might have gotten us the mere 3 extra points we'd need to be top half right now.

Of course, the stands at Goodison would be half empty, but who cares?

Rob Marsh
312 Posted 26/11/2019 at 15:45:43
Derek # 305

Benitez will be available Monday morning, doesn't it dovetail nicely with sunday's match?

We will know whether they have a clue or not who they're after come Monday, If they pass Benitez by it means there's really no definite candidate and we're rudderless.

Andrew James
313 Posted 26/11/2019 at 17:13:52
I saw nothing from Allardyce to suggest he was the way forward. He seemed to delight in taunting the fans in a "I told you so" sort of way.

Like that time when we were cruising against Palace at home and he unnecessarily brought on Schneiderlin who the fans had booed during the West Brom game weeks before. Even then we managed to go and concede despite his logic in the substitution was to shore things up.

Then there was the garbage about winning the second half in the thrashing at the Emirates. The highly questionable acquisition of Tosun. Airbrushing Rhino from his role in the WHU victory. The huffing and puffing to defeat a soon to be relegated Stoke when they were down to 10 men for an hour.

Even if we had retained him, I very much doubt he would have accepted Brands coming in due to his ego.

We were more or less safe by January that season but still he persisted with the negative hoofball and mind numbingly stupid team selections so we got beat at Watford by a very poor side.

Regarding this thread, a few have alluded to Sheffield and I imagine it's Wilder. I would be interested to know if there is any truth in that one as it would be unusual and, I would think, unlikely.

Rob Halligan
314 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:19:27
Another thing about Allardyce. Had we kept him on I doubt very much the likes of Digne, Mina, Gomes, Bernard, Richarlison, Gbamin and even Kean would have signed for us. One look at him and their agents would have been pulling the plug on any deal.
Brian Hennessy
315 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:32:33
Rob# 312 What's the story with Benitez being available from Monday?
Mark Guglielmo
316 Posted 26/11/2019 at 18:44:26
Brian, the Chinese Super League's final matchday is Saturday, 30 November. Everyone's assuming that Rafa can catch a red-eye through 6 time zones in time to manage the Derby.
Andrew James
317 Posted 26/11/2019 at 21:00:02
Rob

Are you telling me that Bernard isn't a Big Sam type of player?

The five foot five technically gifted winger who wouldn't benefit from all those high and long balls?

Take it back!

Paul A Smith
318 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:21:12
So Rob, you mean Bobby and your mate are wrong but you're right?
Adrian Evans
319 Posted 27/11/2019 at 18:28:19
Rafa, every day of the week. He has won Championship (just in case). He gets here Monday... No, let him pick the side for Sunday, send Tim Cahill, with Rafa on the phone in the dug out.

Rafa comes, we stay up. We still might lose the next three but do okay against Man Utd, beat Arsenal and Burnley.... maybe a point at Man City. Rafa keeps us up and mid-table. He's got the know-how. He's done it, seen it, he's got all the tee-shirts.

If he will come on Monday, get him in here, sort it out.

He won't wanna go back down but, if he did, we'd be straight back at the first attempt. If we don't get Rafa, or anyone by 6 January, we are done.

Mark Guglielmo
320 Posted 27/11/2019 at 18:38:45
Adrian, you want him to take a red-eye from China to Liverpool, through 6 time zones, neglecting any of his own personal health, without succumbing to jet lag, forget about his family, all in time to report to work on Monday morning? Did you invent time travel?!

Or will, say, Thursday do?

Bobby Mallon
321 Posted 27/11/2019 at 22:36:00
Jer @65, Eddie Howe: No! He's another manager who's won fuck-all and, as someone else has mentioned, his team has finished below us for 5 seasons when we have been shite.
Andy Crooks
322 Posted 27/11/2019 at 22:50:46
Bobby@ 307, Silva will get us a Champions League place this season, FACT.
Bobby Mallon
323 Posted 28/11/2019 at 08:23:29
So Rob Halligan me and your mate are wrong are we why is that.
Bobby Mallon
324 Posted 28/11/2019 at 09:16:52
@ Andy 322 I hope your correct
Frank Thomas
325 Posted 28/11/2019 at 11:47:04
Marcos philosophy on keeping control of the ball is correct. The best teams do it, Barcelona, Man City, Arsenal, (when Wenger was in control) more recently Leicester and even Sheffield Utd. The problem is obvious to the fans watching but seems to elude Marco. Play the correct people in their correct position in the right game.

Last season when we dispatched Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea and even when we played Liverpool at Anfield he did all 3 right. After every match every commentator on TV said the same thing.

This season he has ditched those decisions and is selecting players in the hope they can produce master pieces. Well there is a reason that a desert chef and a main course chef are called different titles that is because they are experts in their own area swopped them and you get a disappointing main course and desert.

With his present team selections Marco may be about to get his just deserts.

It starts with Marcos training he is constantly drilling short passes and Siggy and quite a few of the regulars do that brilliantly and so they are picked for the next game but they are so drilled they cannot see the brilliant opportunities 30yards+ further away and the no longer have the passing accuracy to get the ball there as witnessed in the Norwich game.

When Marco finally decided to drop Siggy telling him early in the week the man takes extra shooting practice and scores when brought on late in the second half. Once again Marco falls back into selecting Siggy for every game. I bet Siggy does not do extra shooting practise any more.

Every attacker should be doing 1 hour daily shooting practise and 2 if they fail to get a shot on goal. These players are on a fortune it is time they stood up and starting at least making less mistakes.

Finally, Pickford, apparently another Everton site said that we are the best team in the league at reducing the scoring chances of other teams so why are they still scoring? Is it the defence or the goalie? Anyone who went to that game saw in the first five minutes that Pickford did not have his mind on that game. He nearly got caught with ball after a pass back to him, his reluctant urgent forward pass sailed into Bullens area. Shades of Zouma and Pickford's mix up against Spurs immediately sprang into my mind.

How many passes did he kick out of play or make it impossible for people to keep in and control? Both goals against us in the Norwich game had attackers being challenged by our defenders and Pickford stayed on his line and did not move out to reduce the attacker's angle.

So is Marco's fate sealed? If he wins against the next five teams the question will be why have you not got the players beating the bottom teams since they are so good? and if he loses then it obvious that he is not good enough. For me his next three games is about pride not keeping his job, I think he knows he is serving his time until January.

For the future sake of this club make him stay and serve his time licking stamps and manager of EFC under 11's. Do not give him a lump sum and then let him jump ship and go and get another payday somewhere else.

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