Textor said to want Abel Ferreira as Dyche replacement

Does he know how to make substitutions?

It seems that, if or when a new owner comes in, it could force a change sooner rather than at the end of the season. But ho knows? We're all guessing and in the dark.

At least we're on countdown to Villa away, the more immediate focus. Until we know, Dyche is our manager, and we get behind him and the team.

He doesn't own us yet and he's already calling the shots, for fuck's sake!!!!

Football pundits can claim anything in their articles or on social media, without being slammed by the club or its owners, that's because Everton aren't winning enough football matches and are rudderless.

When there is a vacuum which surrounds Everton, and has done for what seems years, then massive amounts of digital ink can be spewed out without any need for facts or authenticity. We must be a dream for those pundits and journalists who have to produce column inches.

No wonder Dyche is getting prickly. What a crazy game football is.

If this were to come to pass, and Dyche and staff were sacked as an early act of a new owner, I think Dyche and staff would rightly feel aggrieved and ponder what a shitty way to be treated and how classless Everton have become as a club.

Personally, I hope that is not what happens, but I would not be surprised either.

By the time any takeover goes through, I believe Dyche and staff will have gotten over the poor start and got us much nearer the middle reaches of the table.

If that is the case, I am not sure what more could realistically be expected, as we are playing against Premier League sides who mostly, compared to us, have an embassment of riches on and off the pitch compared to our rudderless, potless, shambles.

He used to play as a right-back.

Can't be much older than Young.

What could this mean?!

Textor sounds like Moshiri Mark II.

New owner either extends Dyche or fires him.

No lame ducks managing and coaching the team. It's bad enough.

Has Textor actually said this publicly or does Nixon have some kind of hotline directly to him?

I'd be surprised if he has said this publicly but, if he has, it would be a disgrace to announce something like this before discussing it with the man himself.

Dyche is out of contract at the end of the season and I don't think negotiations have begun on a renewal, so I suspect outcomes will be very much dependent on what kind of season we have.

Anyway, if a change is deemed to be needed, it would need to happen sooner rather than later, and the way things are going, I don't think the ownership is going to change any time soon, so Textor won't be in the picture.

That's the thing about these bullshit stories — the journo's can print almost anything they want without any of it actually being true.

I believe it was The Guardian reporter who stated Friedkin would have appointed Tuchel and Rangyick over him. What is the difference with Textor?

All these Dyche sympathisers, do you want to progesss or have Dyche football in the new stadium?

Until the deal is set, everything is hearsay. There's been hardly any news on the ‘sale' for a while and I imagine it'll take Textor a long time to get rid of his Palace shares.

Personally, I can't see much happening in the next couple of months. Maybe by January to allow a new owner to give a potential new manager funds to for new players.

However, if Dyche is doing okay and there's no real threat of relegation, why would you sack him mid-season when his contract is up in the summer?

Surely the better plan, assuming the new owner didn't want Dyche, would be to tap up the manager you want and say, "It's yours in the summer, start preparing."

Then tell Dyche around May he's not going to get an extension and give him a decent farewell. Sacking him mid-season just causes disruption and wastes millions.

Then again, vanity owners tend to be trigger-happy… so who knows?

Peter 6.

Him and staff feel aggrieved — they've won 5 games this calender year. That's shameful — not to mention that run after Christmas, shocking statistic. Oh and has anyone forgotten the shite football he plays, or the way it's never his fault?

He is never ever ever going to move this club forward, the sooner he's gone, the better. And he can take them two cretins with him.

I think Dyche, Woan and Stone set the players up to play winning football. They were all schooled under Brian Clough, but can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
At the start of last season we played lots of teams off the park and lost due to being lacking in the crucial aspects of quality and cutting edge in the final third and a plethora of spurned quality chances.
To my eye, from thereon in, pragmatism became more prevelant. Necessity being the mother of invention, we had to grind out wins. Runs of shit results are terrible, but it's results over the entire season that matter. The purple patches where the game plan works and the team manage to carry out the plan are where the points and wins to get up the table come from. Dyche has a track record for this and it is successful in staving off relegation and achieving more than this too. Is it trophy winning football? No! Has Dyche had a squad that is realistically expected to win a trophy verses the other teams competing for said trophies. Man City, Arsenal, etc etc.
The current and recent state of play on and off the pitch, to my eye, we are all entitled to an opinion of course, is that it is the qualities of Dyche, both as a person and as a football manager, that has kept us a Top Flight side.
Personally, I think he can lead us to a better place and if backed by a new owner, with better cutting edge resources at the front end of the pitch, he is capable of playing winning football consistently that is also a pleasure to watch.
Had we taken the chances to beat Bournemouth 4 nil, as could have been the case, he did not miss them himself did he, I suspect there would be somewhat more belief and faith than there is.
Also, had my aunty some knackers, she would have been my Mum's brother of course.
What we fans think is to a large extent, academic, isn't it.
We all want a successful Everton. May it come soon! The takeover off the pitch can't come soon enough can it. UTFT.

Peter Moore 6: "If this were to come to pass, and Dyche and staff were sacked as an early act of a new owner, I think Dyche and staff would rightly feel aggrieved and ponder what a shitty way to be treated and how classless Everton have become as a club".

Erm, Peter, no other PL club would have hung onto the three hard-boiled eggs in that draining winless run - not one. The three got lucky; there was no one around to get rid of them as should have happened.

Everton owe Dyche nothing. He got the £3.5 million bonus (some say £3 million) that was flashing round his head (how many curries is that Woaney?) when he signed on the dotted line, knowing completely what he was getting himself into.

Listen, I'm grateful to Dyche and will always give him credit when credit is due (likewise, his post- Bournemouth presser was fucking disgraceful and his one-man wrecking machine lost us that one). He has done nothing so far this season (mighty Doncaster apart) to suggest that he is worth - is it £5 million he gets each year or more? - his salary. Nothing. Zilch.

If this was a well-run club he would not be here Peter and that, in my opinion, is the proper context for your post which is, shall we say, very gracious to the three hard boiled eggs who have not been treated shabbily at all by the club. Quite the reverse. Dyche should be crossing himself and thanking the leprechauns for each new day he gets at Everton. If his annual salary is somewhere in the region of £5 million, Dyche picks up around £1373 for each day's “work”.

I think that the very high level of money paid is a fact of Premier League football in the modern era.
The management team are certainly very well paid indeed. The sums paid to all managers in the Premier league seem ridiculous and excessive to me.
We see the talent or lack thereof of the management team differently it seems.
That is down to difference of opinion, I think you are wrong. You think I am wrong. No problem. What will be will be. May the losing run end soon and wins commence asap! UTFT.

Any fool can say all sorts of stuff with no proof whatsoever, 'souces say', 'it is rumoured' etc bull shit.

The best thing that Textor or any other new owner can do is provide the funds for a quality new RB in January - and maybe some of the Palmeiras players like Menino or Rios. I'm less fussed about taking their manager.

Fun to read & comment on this kind of rubbish, particularly in the absence of any footie to watch, but we all know that nothing ownership nor manager wise is changing til after Christmas.

Shut up and buy the Club first...and wasn't Ferreira in the frame before Lampard got the job, allegedly due to the fans not fancying Ferreira.

Or was that some other foreign johnny, there's been so many I've lost count.

Nevermind telling us your recipe for Rabbit Pie and how nice it will be - first catch your rabbit!

Once again rumors will follow Everton being the one club out of all of them in dire need of new blood in most areas.

Everything will depend on the Textor situation and if he is in control by January.

Until then it's obvious Everton have to go with what they have got even the backroom staff as most of the decent managers are already employed and in any event it would be unlikely any Dyche replacement would have the same limited resources to work with until the new year.

Well said Peter (Moore).

Candidates for control/management of top teams in La Liga, and perhaps other leagues across the Channel, typically announce what they can bring with them to the club (although, admittedly, they are sometimes locked in stiff competitions), including prize players and coaches.

I don't see much wrong with Textor saying that he would like to have Abel Ferreira in charge at Bramley Moore. If true, it gives us a sense of the scope and scale of his ideas. But, needless to say, idea and reality are not the same thing.

I was very similar to Peter Moore, in backing Dyche and his Hard Boiled Egg Back-ups (by courtesy of Paul Ferry) but I think his stubbornness in team selections, and ill-timed substitutions, coupled with his seemingly non-existent game strategy, has me in the ' kick the ginger minge's arse ' camp now!

However, it would be detrimental to the Club to do it now, especially with no recognised, or absentee owner, who knows about as much as running a football club, as Fatty Arbuckle did about Brain Surgery! There were signs, prior to our suicidal capitulation against Bournemouth, that some decent football was being witnessed.

I still can't believe how he (Dyche) witnessed their 5 Subs, (virtually half a side with fresh legs) and decided to match it with 2. Not only that, he leaves the older and knackered players on, and takes the only ones who were producing quality, and having them on the ropes, off!

Furthermore the nail in the coffin for me, was that he wasn't man enough, or too arrogant, to admit that he had made a monumental mistake. I think he could have bought some respect from the fans if he had, and admitted to being a total ginger dickhead!

Derek #21, that was Vitor Perriera the fans went apeshit over. After Benitez you can understand, but ultimately Lampard was useless, despite "getting" the club.

To be honest, I am grateful for small mercies. Living in Asia, I seldom bother watching us these days as the togger on offer is utterly turgid, way worse than anything Big Sam proffered.

It can't be that professional footballers cannot do the basics — the first 85 minutes v Bournemouth showed that. Whatever credit Dyche had in the bank has well and truly been burned. His pressers this season have just stopped short of blaming the fans.

So if any new owner wants to make a change, that's fine with me. Sadly I suspect the takeover saga is with us for the rest of this season at least. So the boiled eggs may well lead us into the new stadium… scary.

Textor might well have said zero, zilch, not'n but, there's no footee results to fill the journos' columns.

On the other hand, some bozo might have said to him, after too many drinks, "Hey Tex, if you were to buy Everton, in your wildest dreams, which manager would you prefer to have in the future?

"Ah well, dunno, but if I was able I might talk with that guy Abel! I'd like a Ferrarei. I'll take another JD thx!"

Can everyone please stop referring to Dyche, Woan and Stone as hard-boiled eggs.

I used to enjoy boiled eggs for breakfast but now can't stop thinking about the whoppers just as I am about to tuck in. They just don't taste the same anymore.

It's that Ferry cross the ‘lantics brain child - he should've put a copyright on it.

How about the cone heads?
Dumb dumber and dumbest?
Tweedle Dum tweedle dee and t'uther one?
Or darker, the dead men walking?

Nigel @ 28: if you can't take a yolk...

Mark @ 29; Tweedledee, Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

I blame International Breaks.

It's a good job we're looking for the latest "Johnny Foriegner" because the British coaches never win a fucking thing.

Every year, the trophies and European places are hoovered up by the foreign coaches while we get our eyes assaulted watching the shite Dyche etc serve up.

So we buy a guy from Lyon, who they bought for £1M last summer. We pay £15M, giving Lyon who have PSR issues a clear £14M profit. The player is Jake O'Brien. He was signed from Crystal Palace by Lyon and sold on to Everton.

I wonder what the connection could be? When we bought him, we were supposed to have been in for the Hull centre-back who went to Ipswich — Jacob Greaves — and by all accounts the best centre-back in the Championship last season.

But we end up with a centre-back who Palace discarded and who Dyche obviously doesn't fancy, hence Keane is in the team. I wonder if Dyche could smell something and that, that something, is his opinion in who comes in, doesn't count for much any more?

The Jake O'Brien deal… another Tony Thomas scenario?

Interesting Jack. I had a feeling it was the end of Marco Silva very early on in his last season when he sat down on the bench in disgust after a simple ball over the top exposed the flat-footed Michael Keane at Bournemouth.

By not replacing Zouma, it meant that the Director of Football, should have been sacked for a dereliction of his duties, but we all know he got appointed onto the board.

Why not publish his full playbook so we can all scrutinise and moan or applaud what a wonderful / terrible owner he is and might be for us.

I sometimes, (nearly always) prefer the silence from club owners. If there's nothing positive to say about the current set-up or recently won trophy (I'm allowed to dream), then say nothing.

As he's a current owner of a Premier League rival, I find it incredibly disrespectful — which proves the point that, more often than not, it's bull turd that comes from owners' mouths.

Tony,

So sad but so true.

Nice one Derek — I've got egg on my face now…

Erm, urghhh!

Derek@30

Like it Derek🤣

Derek (30),

Yes International breaks and loads of nonsense stories by journalists(?) doesn't help Everton though. Let's see how Dyche reacts to the Bournemouth debacle, his team choice will give us a clue and how he uses the subs.when we are 1-0 up with 10 minutes to go!

Dave @38,

The Leicester away game is now crucial for him imo.

Everton apparently taking out another loan for running costs. Which mug is lending us that?

Jack 32, love the conspiracy angle.

However, you forgot to mention the extra nugget that Lyon is owned by… Textor.

Seems too many obvious dots being joined for me though. Another angle is that Greaves ended up at Ipswich. If he was that good, why were no ‘better' clubs after him? Ipswich are one of the favourites to go back down surely and will likely have a relegation fight most of the season.

Guess we'll see once O'Brien gets on the pitch — assuming Dyche plays him at some point.

The takeover is not even close. He's still hasn't sold his Crystal Palace shares and what's been obstacles for other previous bidders have not been resolved either.

Talks about changing a manager with his preferred choice? It's like I'm telling my wife about my travelling plan around the World for a year when I saved my first million dollars.

Paul#40.
It's me Paul. When it comes to my club I just can't say no!

For me, in the absence of Branthwaite, I'd like to see O'Brien alongside Tarkowski, but I'm doubtful. Dixon or Young at right back.

But I don't like to predict line-ups as I never know what the manager will choose, so I wait and see on the day.

The Lyon link interests me. This multi-club ownership or shareholder is increasingly common. I believe that,, in addition to Palace and Lyon, he has stakes in a Belgium club and a Brazilian one.

I'm not an expert on this, but I'm sure I've read Textor doesn't have to sell his shares in Palace first. I'm sure I've read he can put his share in some sort of trust but he would have zero say in how Palace are run.

If that's true, then I don't see any hold-up on him buying Moshiri's shares. Can anyone tell me if this is true? Or have I just dreamt it?

Paul 45, you're right re the trust. However, this being football, I'm not sure how realistic the ‘would have zero say in how Palace is run' is.

My understanding is that Textor is trying to list all his football holdings in the US for upwards of $2 billion. Given the likes of Lyon and Botafogo are massively in debt, I'm not sure if that target is on the same planet as reality.

In the short-term, Dyche and team is the only thing to focus on imo. The rest will rumble on in the background.

I get the need for confidentiality when negotiations are underway. There's no point in saying something unless there is something constructive to say. But the odd scraps of communication wouldn't go amiss.

I see the club has launched the 3rd kit. Thoughts?

Abel Ferrara is a critically acclaimed American film director. I think he's still working. I know Dyche can't make subs but isn't this taking things a bit far?

Oh, hang on.

That must be tongue-in-cheek, Jimmy, or you've missed a digit!!

Abel Ferreira!!

It is tongue-in-cheek, Danny, but Abel Ferrara is who I say he is. Very similar names.

I did a double-take when I read about him.

I fell for that, Jimmy.

I did the same when I initially looked him up!!

From what I have read and heard, Textor wishes to sell his Palace shares for a profit. Unless that happens, he has insufficient resources to take over our club.

Part of his problem is that his 45% in Palace is not a controlling interest and therefore much less attractive to potential buyers. Steve Parrish at Palace is on record as saying they do not regard the multi-club ownership model as appropriate to them.

So journalists can carry on spouting nonsense as long they wish. In the medium term, at least, Textor will not be able to buy Everton.

Would it not be that Textor is not able to sell his shares in Palace as he is asking too much for them, he is not the only major shareholder in Palace so I am not sure how it affects ownership.

As for Everton, by buying Moshiri's shares, he automatically becomes owner and needs to know everything about the club, but mainly the financial side of it, and I wonder if Moshiri is asking too much for his shares; as the present owner, he is responsible for the financial aspect of the club.

Something or someone has to give; otherwise, both clubs, until this is finalized, will be playing with a cloud over their heads, with the stormy one over Everton as Palace seem well run.

Depending on which source you use, Bill, we are 6th from bottom in terms of revenue in the Premier League. Only two places behind but not far off Crystal Palace.

Maybe he's got his eye on the potential of the new stadium and Everton. I'm sure if he gets the go-ahead, he'll find a suitor for his shares in a London club.

It sounds like a situation of who blinks first.

Textor has offers for his shares but buyers, knowing that he wants a quick sale, are expecting a discount.

Textor wants full value for his Palace shares, Moshiri wants full value for his, at some point, one or both will probably have to take a haircut for this to work.

I'm surprised that Moshiri gave him exclusivity knowing he isn't as yet in a position to complete.

I was reading a piece by Uli Hoeness, ex German international and President of Bayern Munich between 2002 to 2005. I don't know what year he made this comment, but he said that Bayern could charge more than the €130 for a season ticket, but fans are not treated like cows as in England so we don't milk our cows.

He went on to say Bayern could charge €350 for a season ticket which he reckoned would bring in an additional €2M more but why upset the fans for €2M extra?

Also, while he was President of Bayern, they built the very impressive Allianz arena. Contrast that with Villa who are charging their fans nearly £100 per ticket for their Champions League games.

They also put up the prices for disabled parking at their ground from £190 per year to £360, but because of the outrage of Villa fans over the parking charges, they quickly reverted back to the original charge of £190.

Villa are not alone, but it just highlights how comfortable some Premier League clubs are to rip off fans at a time when they should be rewarding them for the loyal support, not ripping them off.

Nigel (39),

It's important, like all games should be, but not crucial at this stage of the league.

I was talking to a Villa friend last night. He was complaining about the price hike. I looked on the Villa website and there were tickets against Everton in thee home sections for £100.

It is obvious to me our prices will go up when we move, but not to that extent.

It's similar to Fulham charging £3,000 for a season ticket in parts of their new stand.

Yeah, that's just what we need, another owner who thinks he's a football genius!

Danny @58,

I wouldn't bet on prices being as affordable as they are now at the new stadium. Obviously, there will be a rise in admission prices, but any new ownership will want to maximise revenue as soon as they arrive, if they ever arrive.

I can see an end coming to concessionary tickets, particularly to my age group, over 65s. Perhaps not to the extent we have to pay full price, but I would think a maximum of 20% reduction on normal ticket prices, but that's only me guessing.

The true test will come for the club when they have completed the first season at the new place; if they get the pricing wrong, they might lose quite a few of the regular supporters.

Obviously what happens out on the pitch will impact every decision by the supporters and the club, but there is a limit to how much a fan is willing to part with in exchange for better facilities.

In these days of uncensored social media, you can go online and publish any bullshit and claim it to be true.

How does this so-called journo know this? Has he spoken to Textor or has Textor issued a press release — No. It's the usual crap of "sources".

Well sources told me Ancelotti is coming back and has a £200M warchest to spend. Do I believe that? — Hell, no.

Moral of the story: Don't believe everything you read.

I meant crucial for Dyche, Dave

Nigel @ 28, this thread has obviously brought you out of your shell!

Only yolking, mate! :-)

Textor has just suspended his Sporting Director at Lyon because he didn't get enough players off the payroll before the end of the transfer market.

Ha, very good, mate.

Jack #32, where do you get the idea that Dyche doesn't fancy O'Brien?

I know he hasn't selected him ahead of Keane or Tarkowski yet — but "yet" is the operative word. It looks very much like O'Brien is a player we will need to develop over the course of the season.

It may not be anticipated he'll be ready to be a regular until next season. That's a pretty routine situation for a Premier League player bought for the very modest sum of £16.5M.

That's probably comparable to the sum of £3.5M we paid for Oviedo in 2013-14 or maybe the £1.75M we paid for McFadden in 2003-04.

Denis # 41, Greaves ended up at Ipswich because we didn't sell Branthwaite. Greaves is a big left-footer. With Branthwaite staying, he wouldn't have got games this season and probably feels he's ready for it. It is entirely possible that Ipswich outbid us too (as they did for Phillips and Cajuste and would have done for Broja but for his failed medical).

I'm really surprised by how much vitriol is being directed at Dyche. I'm as frustrated and angry by the start to this season as any other Blue but Dyche doesn't get the credit he deserves, in my opinion and I know this isn't a popular opinion. He's had the worst hand of any Everton manager. No money, no board, no striker for a lot of it, points deductions, injuries and despite all of that, he has kept us in the league against the odds. The football isn't pretty but we had pretty football under Martinez and wanted more defensive stability. He got a win against the RS which is more than a lot of his predecessors managed.

He has things that frustrate the hell out of me like the persistence of Keane at centre back and the inability to change things but, all things considered, he has done a very good job for Everton. Not perfect, but good. I expect we will lose at Villa and the pressure will mount and my money would be on a return for David Moyes, which would be back to KITAP1 football.

It's never dull though is it?

Hopefully this is nonsense. Not because the guy isn't a good manager (I've no idea) but because, as a club, I'm hoping we've learnt that you don't recruit this way.

It should be the DoF talking about the setup of the club, the recruitment, and that dictates the type of manager we should be looking at.

The only bit that makes sense so far is that someone realises that type of manager obviously isn't Dyche.

Fred (60), I've heard that the concessions are staying the same for supporters over 80 years of age, well being honest I've just started that story!

Nigel (28).

I understand your situation, especially considering the Bread they are on.