David Moyes: Manager for the future or Temporary Placeholder?

Moving away from last Saturday’s result or even those over the season, the question is this - is David Moyes the best manager to develop young players, integrate them into the squad and give them the game time they need?

If the answer is no, then we have a manager whose skillset is contrary to the club’s strategy regardless of our finishing position this season.

It reminds me of Gordon Lee. He took us to 7th and 8th in the table in his first two seasons but struggled when asked to develop a younger squad. Philip Carter had funds to invest in the transfer market, but did not trust Lee to spend the money as the manager defaulted to signing over-valued older players.

His decision was to hire a young manager called Howard Kendall. We will be in a similar position at the end of this season, so it will be interesting to see what the club decides.

That's not to say he didn't authorise their purchase, but we don't know the parameters he's operating under, whether Angus the Great is insisting on this sort of profile, and Moyes just chooses the best from a pool.

Eric, as long as the Moyesiah is demonstrating this sort of upward trajectory I think we should be looking to extend his deal, not line up a replacement.

But this idea that Moyes holds us back from being perennial trophy winners is absurd. In the 81 years since the end of World War 2, we have won 10 trophies (I know some people count the friendly that is/was the Charity Shield).

And 4 of those came in a 3 year block. So for the other 78 years we have won 6 things.

You see its apologetic pap such as that which kicks off the whole round again. When people read drivel like that, why would they not point out the blindingly obvious to counter it ?

This club has gone through huge changes in the past couple of years.

Long time living stealers in the boardroom have been run out of town and replaced.

Really astute signings like Garner and Ndiaye are at the very center of eveything the team is doing.

We have moved from an old dilapidated ground to the most modern stadium in the world.

The dosh washing owners have also gone and been replaced by shrewd business men who will never jeopardise the future of the club again.

Any one of these changes would be considered seismic at any other club. ALL of them would have happened before Davey Moyes even got here.... But lets forget all that. He's not just enjoying the benefts of all these changes. He was the cause of it. HE turned this club around.

Contrary to what some believe on here We are called Everton FC and an awful lot of great people have worked tirelessly to "turn this club around". it may suit the sycophants to ignore all their work and lavish all their praise on the main beneficiary. Not me.

Many of us are in a bargaining stage now. Let's call it 'How I learned to love the Moyes', subtitle-without needing a shower.

He will likely be offered the extension. I'm not into it but that is not unjust in any way. Whether by his design or players taking initiative (Garner and Dewsbury-Hall), the performances are inspiring and the current path looks sustainable.

For me, Moyes played it safety first at the expense of more open football. Thanks to a very difficult and topsy-turvy league, we are in a position to close strong and vastly improve Everton's image.

It is my belief that Garner and Dewsbury-Hall are creating the innovation in play, not Moyes. That Moyes found a combination that worked, covered defensive priorities and has begun to produce attacking opportunities is fully down to him.

Perhaps those two field generals under his guidance are a durable fix. Moyes can be a bit drab and set in his ways, but maybe giving that nucleus the freedom to create could be magical stuff. They seem to properly defer to Moyes in interviews and are obviously on board. None of them have a personality that might blow it up, imo.

So yes I give credit to Moyes in a Garnered way so to speak.

The dosh-wasting owners, well as much as I wanted rid of Moshiri, it was his driving force along with Usmanov as to why we are sitting in the best Premier League ground in the country.

You reckon TFG are shrewd? Well, they have spent a lot of money on young kids who so far have contributed very little. But I am sure you will blame Moyes for that.

You say we are called Everton and we have an awful lot of great people who have worked tirelessly to turn this club around? Well, I would love to know who they are because, before Moyes came back, this club was looking at more and more relegation battles.

Moyes brought Jake O'Brien into the team and the lad has been terrific; he also brought Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall to the club -- brilliant additions -- and if anybody can't see the improvement in James Garner, they are walking round with their eyes closed.

Garner was nowhere near an England squad before Moyes came. He gave Keane a contract extension and, for me, he has been our best centre-back. Also, Mykolenko is getting better under Moyes.And McNeil looks a different player since the Palace deal fell through.

So why anyone would not admit to the job he has done since coming back is just ignoring the facts.

I will get my tin hat on as I am sure Darren will come back with both guns blazing, but that's what makes this site so good.

I am on the side of 'give him another 2-3 year contract' -- he's doing an excellent job just now.

I'm willing to see his perceived faults that are often highlighted by his critics, but he also has many good points which are on show this season and of which Brian mentions some above. Nobody's perfect and I think it would be crackers to change managers after this season.

Most fans want a winning team, how that's achieved comes a poor second to that aim for me at least.

Of course some managers will be more able than others but, as I keep banging on, players are the most important factor in the success of a team by a country mile.

If we want to get to the top and stay there, we need a team full of the very best players first and foremost.

And just like Trump, they are doubling down, sounding sillier and sillier. It's understandable though.

No money, an absent board, and with the club in complete disarray he somehow helped us achieve premier league safety.

I think Moyes coming fourth, with that squad, was probably a better achievement (it was definitely bigger) whilst I’m sure some would go for Martinez, because of his points tally, or two cup semifinals, in the same year, but overall the last thirty years have been nothing short of an unmitigating disaster for Everton football club.

Kevin nobody has sounded sillier than you at times this season mate. Not for defending Moyes, but when you defended him with a lot of half truths!

We must endeavour to forgive, and forget.

That is the question I am asking - do we need a development coach this summer with a longer term plan aligned to our strategy?

The average age of the team against Chelsea was 29 years 25 days. I think this reflects the manager’s faith in picking sides with tried and tested senior players, and it is working for him this season.

However, the club has added Dibling, Aznou, Rohl, George and Barry to a squad that already includes Jake O’Brien (24 years old), Tim Iro (22 years old), Carlos Alcaraz (23 years old), Nathan Patterson (24 years old) and Harrison Armstrong (19 years old).

As Tony A has pointed out countless times, the manager does not give these young players sufficient runs in the team or game time to develop - O’Brien is the exception, not the rule. They have one bad game, they are dropped but James Tarkowski has remained the first name on the team sheet despite his poor form.

Therefore, regardless of whether Moyes has done a decent, good or great job this season I think we should look to the future this summer as Carter did in 1981. This summer, not end of next season or beyond.

My desire to pick up the revolver for another game of Russian Roulette is 0.0.

You cited Koeman as being incredibly wasteful - this would be on a par with that.

His approach is not aligned with the strategy the club is putting in place. And TFG will not write off that investment simply because the manager won’t pick the talent.

Unlike the solid gold duds that dickhead left behind.

Dibling’s current market value is £19M after we bought him for £35M only 7 months ago.

Having a top player come in and take your position is hard. Recovering from an injury and a family crisis is harder. But bouncing back from being screwed over on a transfer takes courage -- and great big cojones. Huge respect to Dwight.

Then again, maybe not.The club has history for worshipping managers who get us to 8th

And who sits to give them those minutes? Is Dibling better than Grealish or Ndiaye? Is Aznou better than Myko?

If you move Gana, Keane, & Tarkowski out, for Branthwaite, Armstrong, and a decent right back in, then most of those outfield players are somewhere in the 23-28 camp id think.

Certainly the transfer strategy has not been to buy ready made players. Grealish and Dewesbury Hall were the only over 25 year old signing last summer.

The Chelsea age is super low. And what theyre getting from it, is a lack of game intelligence, silly mistakes and getting bullied way too easily.

The first thing id be doing at Chelsea, is buying an experienced centre back.

He's lost value on Dibling, but gained it on Armstrong, Ndiaye, Garner, Obrien etc. You cant win them all.

So we either play them, least give them more minutes, or loan them out next season and hope they can prove their worth.