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I wrote a piece for ToffeeWeb this time last year comparing the first half under Dyche and the second half under Moyes and it would seem that the momentum from the end of 2024-25 was carried through into this season, before it all went pear-shaped. As is quoted, there are lies, damned lies and statistics. I’ll leave readers to decide (and comment) which statistics are, in our view, 'lies'.
Performance
First Half of the season: Won 8 Drew 4 Lost 7 – Scored 20 Conceded 20 – Points 28
Second Half: Won 5 Drew 6 Lost 8 – Scored 27 Conceded 29 – Points 21
On a comparative fixture basis, by the time Thierno Barry found the net in the 3-0 beating of Forest, we had improved by 12 points compared to the fixtures the previous season. Matching the results of the previous season in the remaining games would have put us on 60 points, the same as Liverpool with the same GD but finished 6th on goals scored. That was the level of improvement in the first half of the season. Knowing that makes our final placing even more depressing.
It was all downhill as first Ndiaye and Gana went off to Afcon and then as soon as they returned, we lost Grealish for the rest of the season.
Compared to the games where Moyes was in charge in 2024-25 he had the following record.
Dyche was the manager in 2024-25
2024-25: W3 D8 L8 Scored 15 Conceded 25 – Points 17
2025-26: W8 D3 L8 Scored 22 Conceded 21 – Points 27
Moyes was the manager in 2024-25
2024-25: W8 D7 L4 Scored 27 Conceded 19 – Points 31
2025-26: W5 D7 L7 Scored 25 Conceded 29 – Points 22
Moyes continued to significantly outperform Dyche's performances from last season with 10 more points, but did not match his own performances of last season by losing 9 points.
With such a fall off over the 2nd half of the season, the frustration and anger felt by many is clear because the improvement up to December is now forgotten, and so much “could have been”.
Much has been talked about our lack of a striker. Playing a 4-2-3-1 system meant a lot of pressure was on Barry and Beto to score. Surprisingly, we scored the same number of goals as the year of Ancelotti and James, Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin, and the last time we scored more was 2018-19 when Marco Silva was the manager.
Beto and Barry were only used as twin strikers for 67 minutes, and most of them were the match at home to Brentford. While we all moan about their inabilities, can we argue we have a 17-goal striker called “Barry Beto”? Only Haaland and Thiago scored more than “Barry Beto”. Beto scored every 174 minutes, Barry once every 239 minutes.
As a comparison, a goal every 175 minutes was the record of Lukaku over his 4 seasons. Super Kevin Campbell scored once every 244 minutes. Both are better than Ferguson (265), Calvert-Lewin (277), and Richarlison (260). Maybe they are not so bad. I’ll get my tin hat.
With Dewsbury-Hall scoring 8 and Ndiaye 6, there is not enough from the rest of the team. In terms of shots, we were marginally better (according to BBC), 422 v 404 with 141 v 146 on target. Whilst in 2024-5 we needed 7 shots on target to score 2 goals, this season we only needed 6.
Team
Based on Minutes played, the team was:
Pickford,
O’Brien, Tarkowski, Keane, Mykolenko,
Gueye, Garner,
Ndiaye, Dewsbury-Hall, Grealish,
Barry.
The back 4 played 88% of the time. Branthwaite was only able to play just over 7½ games in total, and his loss had some (a huge?) impact. The lack of a reliable right-back (Coleman's age and injury, plus a lack of trust in Patterson) meant the supporters' preferred pairing of O’Brien and Branthwaite was never seen.
Keane, released last summer and then re-signed, played almost 80% of the time, but I think most agree that, as the season progressed, the two 33½-year-old centre-backs were showing their age. Aznou will turn 20 next week, but his ball watching when Roma scored in the pre-season probably sealed his fate in terms of not replacing Mykolenko. If nothing else, Moyes is KITAP1 and letting in the one means scoring two.
Other youngsters did get chances. Iroegbunam (is 22 a youngster?) started almost half the games. Dibling played 350 minutes and George 209, though their sum of goals and chances created was – 0. Armstrong came back just as our decline started – pure coincidence, while Röhl (23) finally got his chance at the end of the season, although the BBC blamed him for the Spurs goal. Alcaraz (23) started 6 games, but who would he replace on a regular basis?
The average age of the starting team was 27 years 10½ months, 7½ months lower than last season – and half of them were a year older! The supporters age even faster. The youngest team was away at Nottingham Forest with an average age of 25½, and the oldest away at Manchester United with an average of 29 years 10 months. We won both games! The latter had 6 players over 30 starting the match – Pickford, Coleman, Tarkowski, Keane, Gana, and Grealish, and this was the only time this season we had that number.
Moyes used 22 different players, all of whom started a game at one point in the season. This equalled the lowest number since 2012-3, Moyes’ final season first time around. My personal opinion is that trust is important to Moyes, and he selects players he knows will do a job, and if he can’t trust them, they don’t get picked, although often those he does fail to do their job.
Substitutes. On average, Moyes used 3.03 subs per match and gave them 15 minutes on the pitch. One of those subs was swapping Barry for Beto, which happened in 32 of the 38 matches and on average in the 72nd minute. There were 8 players hooked at half time – Dibling & Barry at home to Palace, Dibling and McNeil at home to Brentford, McNeill and Armstrong at home to Leeds, Iroegbunam at home to Newcastle, and Beto in the away derby.
We had our most red cards since 2021-22 with 4 – but Keane’s hair pull, Grealish’s sarcastic applause, Gueye’s slap of Keane, it does seem to suggest we were more harshly treated than most, and only O’Brien’s deliberately accidental coming together with Amine Adli was maybe the only possibly deserved red Card.
Overall
It was the first season since Ancelotti (2021-22) when we were never in any danger of relegation. I have sympathy for West Ham. Only Birmingham 39 and West Ham again with 42 have ever been relegated with 39 points since the league moved to 20 teams.
We were effectively safe at the end of February with the win at Newcastle, game 28. Perhaps "what could have been" is our major source of frustration, rather than the joy of having a relaxed and peaceful spring without recourse to stiff drinks, screaming at the kids because our nerves were shot, and sleepless nights spent in prayer to whatever god you have.
Against the top 6, we had 3 wins (all 1-0 away), 2 draws, and 7 defeats (11 points), scoring 9 goals and conceding 15. Slightly better than last season, which had 1 win, 6 draws, and 5 defeats (9 points), scoring 7 in the 12 games and conceding 12.
Against the 7 other teams placed 7th to 14th, we had 5 wins, 4 draws, and 5 defeats (19 points), scoring 21 in the 14 games and conceding 22.
And against the bottom 6, we had 5 wins, 4 draws and 3 defeats, the same as last season, gaining 19 points, scoring 17 and conceding 13, although 10 of the points came against Forest and Palace, so only 9 from 24 against the bottom 4. Noticeable that the two teams making European places last season, and who made it to the Semi-final/Final stage, finished 15th and 16th in the table this season.
Highlights? Moyes winning at a Sky 4 at his 51st attempt (I don’t count Spurs as my favourite wind-up is their last title is nearer Queen Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee than today – and we have 4 titles since their last one, nor Man City, who were not in the club when Moyes joined us in 2002, having been relegated the season before). The first game at Bramley-Moore Dock. The thrashing of Chelsea.
Lowlights? Too many to mention. Home derby, Spurs at home, Newcastle at home, Brentford at home, Man City at home, Sunderland at home. And with 8 losses and 23 points compared to 5 losses and 27 points last season, Fortress Goodison was sorely missed.
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Phil Roberts
2 Posted 28/05/2026 at 09:38:46
2 Posted 28/05/2026 at 09:38:46
Michael - we know the answer. Not to lose.
The consequence of that is curb any attacking flair or really, not take risks.
The consequence of that is curb any attacking flair or really, not take risks.
Mark Ryan
3 Posted 28/05/2026 at 11:21:25
3 Posted 28/05/2026 at 11:21:25
The thought of another season under Moyes really boils my piss. Why we are not reading " Everton Football Club approach Glasner" online today is staggering. I might need to step away from ToffeeWeb for a while.
I did the same whilst we continued to persist with Dyche and I have a horrible sense that we are back to treading water under Moyes like we were under the man with the disc beard. I feel we are about to sleepwalk into another relegation fight if we don't sack him.
I did the same whilst we continued to persist with Dyche and I have a horrible sense that we are back to treading water under Moyes like we were under the man with the disc beard. I feel we are about to sleepwalk into another relegation fight if we don't sack him.
Joe McMahon
4 Posted 28/05/2026 at 12:49:17
4 Posted 28/05/2026 at 12:49:17
If Moyes is staying, I'm taking a step back from Everton Mark. I did for a while during his first 11 years.
I'm getting older now, and Moyes and Everton is too stressful ontop of all other lifes problems. Your football club should bring you more elation than we will ever get with Dated Dave.
I'm getting older now, and Moyes and Everton is too stressful ontop of all other lifes problems. Your football club should bring you more elation than we will ever get with Dated Dave.
Michael Kenrick
5 Posted 28/05/2026 at 12:59:53
5 Posted 28/05/2026 at 12:59:53
Phil,
Not to lose.
So how can Moyes be given any credit for losing 15 games, against a mere 12 last season? He picks players to do a job... and they are not doing it.
Yet he keeps picking them. Doh!
Not to lose.
So how can Moyes be given any credit for losing 15 games, against a mere 12 last season? He picks players to do a job... and they are not doing it.
Yet he keeps picking them. Doh!
Mark Ryan
6 Posted 28/05/2026 at 13:59:42
6 Posted 28/05/2026 at 13:59:42
Joe @ 4. If we get a good manager then the players will come and play for him. I expect Tyler Dibling can't wait to leave and he is a real prospect. Moyes has never taken risks playing footballing players. His dream is to play 10 centre backs and have 5 on the bench and listening to the idiot is enough to put me in Winwick !
Andrew Clare
7 Posted 28/05/2026 at 15:03:20
7 Posted 28/05/2026 at 15:03:20
Yes it's definitely time to hibernate if Moyes is retained. All this stability crap is rubbish. Hire a decent manager for all of our sakes.
He ruined Everton the last time he was here don't let him continue to do it again. If he stays we all know what next season will be like. Why waste time get him out.
He ruined Everton the last time he was here don't let him continue to do it again. If he stays we all know what next season will be like. Why waste time get him out.
Stu Darlington
8 Posted 28/05/2026 at 15:36:27
8 Posted 28/05/2026 at 15:36:27
We all know the kind of football Moyes serves up and what we can expect next season if he stays.
But in the interest of balance and fairness which all TW contributors are famous for, can anyone name me a club with a poorer quality and smaller squad than us who finished above us?
But in the interest of balance and fairness which all TW contributors are famous for, can anyone name me a club with a poorer quality and smaller squad than us who finished above us?
Kevin Molloy
9 Posted 28/05/2026 at 15:58:16
9 Posted 28/05/2026 at 15:58:16
Good point, Stu. I think though in view of the outlay last Summer, we should have a much better squad than we actually have.
Even the qualified successes like Dewsbury-Hall and Grealish are the wrong age. We certainly haven't rejuvenated the squad, amazingly we are still with the first team as last year (that tired old wreck) other than Dewsbury-Hall.
Even the qualified successes like Dewsbury-Hall and Grealish are the wrong age. We certainly haven't rejuvenated the squad, amazingly we are still with the first team as last year (that tired old wreck) other than Dewsbury-Hall.
Phil Roberts
10 Posted 28/05/2026 at 16:13:16
10 Posted 28/05/2026 at 16:13:16
Joe, give me the stress of Moyes over the stress of Lampard, Dyche, Benitez, Walker, Kendall Mk III, Walter Smith.
We’ve had 34 seasons of the Premier League, of which Moyes has been in charge for 12 and (apart from 1 year when the players went to the beach with 4 games to go and we dropped from 13th to 17th), we have never looked like getting relegated in those 12 seasons. But that bunch above have caused me enough stress to last a lifetime.
And as for trophies, 22 years of Kendall, Walker, Kendall, Smith, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Ancelotti, Lampard, Benitez and Dyche and not one of them delivered anything, not even a Cup Final. Only Joe Royle managed to get one by playing "Dogs of War". Was the football that free flowing to get us to the heady hights of 6th? Was it?
We’ve had 34 seasons of the Premier League, of which Moyes has been in charge for 12 and (apart from 1 year when the players went to the beach with 4 games to go and we dropped from 13th to 17th), we have never looked like getting relegated in those 12 seasons. But that bunch above have caused me enough stress to last a lifetime.
And as for trophies, 22 years of Kendall, Walker, Kendall, Smith, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Ancelotti, Lampard, Benitez and Dyche and not one of them delivered anything, not even a Cup Final. Only Joe Royle managed to get one by playing "Dogs of War". Was the football that free flowing to get us to the heady hights of 6th? Was it?
Joe McMahon
11 Posted 28/05/2026 at 16:33:46
11 Posted 28/05/2026 at 16:33:46
Phil, much of what you say highlights many horrible years.
Maybe I didn't use the correct words but I did say, of all life's other problems – and as we all know, the older you get, life gets harder (for many) – and the country has gone to the dogs.
For me, David Moyes will always be, the manager defending a 1-goal lead… then the inevitable happens, the FA Cup semi-final v Liverpool, when we had them but he sat back, always be the quarterfinal v Wigan at Goodison 0-3, losing to Shrewsbury in the FA Cup the year they were relegated to the conference. His record v Liverpool is pitiful, and boy do we take shit for it.
But more than anything, he hugged and kissed Bill Kenwright everyday for 11 years. I didn't want Moyes back, and this season has proved why not.
Maybe I didn't use the correct words but I did say, of all life's other problems – and as we all know, the older you get, life gets harder (for many) – and the country has gone to the dogs.
For me, David Moyes will always be, the manager defending a 1-goal lead… then the inevitable happens, the FA Cup semi-final v Liverpool, when we had them but he sat back, always be the quarterfinal v Wigan at Goodison 0-3, losing to Shrewsbury in the FA Cup the year they were relegated to the conference. His record v Liverpool is pitiful, and boy do we take shit for it.
But more than anything, he hugged and kissed Bill Kenwright everyday for 11 years. I didn't want Moyes back, and this season has proved why not.
Jim Bennings
12 Posted 28/05/2026 at 16:35:55
12 Posted 28/05/2026 at 16:35:55
I agree with some fractions of all of the comments in this thread so far.
While Moyes is not faultless and probably never will be the answer to elevate the club, we can't really lay the full blame on his door for the fact that this club has grossly underperformed for the last 30 years.
Moyes has managed 12 and a half years of that period and apart from the one Cup Final appearance we've not had a sniff of success.
However let's get this absolutely abhorrent stat out of the way straight off.
One Cup Final this club has had in 31 years.
That is a complete and utter embarrassments for a club that has not suffered a relegation since the early 50's, a club that was once in the Big Five with a rich and famous history, a club so well supported and back by thousanda upon thousands.
How can you only reach one Cup Final in 31 years?
It would appear harder to keep failing in that timescale than actually just once or twice fluke a League Cup Final appearance or another FA Cup.
This club is horrendously piss poor.
While Moyes is not faultless and probably never will be the answer to elevate the club, we can't really lay the full blame on his door for the fact that this club has grossly underperformed for the last 30 years.
Moyes has managed 12 and a half years of that period and apart from the one Cup Final appearance we've not had a sniff of success.
However let's get this absolutely abhorrent stat out of the way straight off.
One Cup Final this club has had in 31 years.
That is a complete and utter embarrassments for a club that has not suffered a relegation since the early 50's, a club that was once in the Big Five with a rich and famous history, a club so well supported and back by thousanda upon thousands.
How can you only reach one Cup Final in 31 years?
It would appear harder to keep failing in that timescale than actually just once or twice fluke a League Cup Final appearance or another FA Cup.
This club is horrendously piss poor.
Robert Tressell
13 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:17:15
13 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:17:15
The main problem with our season was this:
- Branthwaite barely played. We are miles better when he does play because (a) he's really good and (b) he allows the whole team to move higher up the pitch because he has recovery pace. Tarkowski and Keane (the slowest centre-back pairing in the Premier League) anchor the team back, to avoid being exposed on the counter or balls played in behind.
- Our full-backs are abysmal. The worst pairing in the Premier League from an attacking and possession point of view. This also anchors the team back and reduces passing options in the attacking third.
- Our strikers are good athletes but very limited technically. They don't control or use the ball well at all.
This all combines to make us easy to defend against -- and therefore gives teams the confidence to commit men forward against us in attack.
That's in spite of us having quite a few decent players now -- Pickford, Branthwaite, O'Brien, Garner, Dewsbury-Hall and Ndiaye in particular. And there were encouraging signs from a few more besides.
I know Moyes could (and in my view should) have shuffled players about a bit more and tried different options. A braver manager would have done that. Martinez would have done that. Likely outcome? A similar points total but with better football.
Whoever is in charge next season, it seems pretty reasonable to expect we'll have at least two new full-backs, a new fast centre-back, and a striker with better technical ability. That will make a huge difference to our ability to play decent football and score more goals.
- Branthwaite barely played. We are miles better when he does play because (a) he's really good and (b) he allows the whole team to move higher up the pitch because he has recovery pace. Tarkowski and Keane (the slowest centre-back pairing in the Premier League) anchor the team back, to avoid being exposed on the counter or balls played in behind.
- Our full-backs are abysmal. The worst pairing in the Premier League from an attacking and possession point of view. This also anchors the team back and reduces passing options in the attacking third.
- Our strikers are good athletes but very limited technically. They don't control or use the ball well at all.
This all combines to make us easy to defend against -- and therefore gives teams the confidence to commit men forward against us in attack.
That's in spite of us having quite a few decent players now -- Pickford, Branthwaite, O'Brien, Garner, Dewsbury-Hall and Ndiaye in particular. And there were encouraging signs from a few more besides.
I know Moyes could (and in my view should) have shuffled players about a bit more and tried different options. A braver manager would have done that. Martinez would have done that. Likely outcome? A similar points total but with better football.
Whoever is in charge next season, it seems pretty reasonable to expect we'll have at least two new full-backs, a new fast centre-back, and a striker with better technical ability. That will make a huge difference to our ability to play decent football and score more goals.
Brian Harrison
14 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:23:24
14 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:23:24
Robert @13,
Welcome back Robert don't know why you haven't posted in a long while but hope whatever it was has been resolved.
Welcome back Robert don't know why you haven't posted in a long while but hope whatever it was has been resolved.
Mark Taylor
15 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:25:25
15 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:25:25
Stu 8
"But in the interest of balance and fairness, which all TW contributors are famous for, can anyone name me a club with a poorer quality and smaller squad than us who finished above us?"
Fair question. But would it make a difference if we asked the question before the season started rather than now?
Did we think Sunderland, Bournemouth, Brentford had bigger better squads? My memory’s not what is was so maybe you and others can recall how we felt back then.
And if we felt we had a better or at least equal quality squad, the second question is, very hypothetical, would we still be feeling that way now under a different manager?
"But in the interest of balance and fairness, which all TW contributors are famous for, can anyone name me a club with a poorer quality and smaller squad than us who finished above us?"
Fair question. But would it make a difference if we asked the question before the season started rather than now?
Did we think Sunderland, Bournemouth, Brentford had bigger better squads? My memory’s not what is was so maybe you and others can recall how we felt back then.
And if we felt we had a better or at least equal quality squad, the second question is, very hypothetical, would we still be feeling that way now under a different manager?
Tony Abrahams
16 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:32:50
16 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:32:50
The way you have correctly described our central defenders and fullbacks, Robert, takes me back to what I would describe as one of the few very good performances Everton gave when we played some very good football away at Aston Villa.
We had O'Brien playing alongside Tarkowski (I think), Nathan Patterson played full-back, and we also had a very young midfield trio that I thought really complemented each other in that game.
The next game, there were changes: Keane back, O'Brien back to full-back, Patterson out, Rohl out, and not long later Armstrong, switching to a wider position before being taken out the team.
The way the team tired towards the end of the season and listening to the amount of people who were saying Moyes won't change it, seemed a little bit like way too many people were just guessing. They weren't guessing; they were actually second guessing, and I found it staggering how many people second guessed correctly.
“Stop thinking about the David Moyes who was here last time” is what a lot of people say,”!and when I try to take this on board, his actions stay very much the same way as they have always been, unfortunately.
We had O'Brien playing alongside Tarkowski (I think), Nathan Patterson played full-back, and we also had a very young midfield trio that I thought really complemented each other in that game.
The next game, there were changes: Keane back, O'Brien back to full-back, Patterson out, Rohl out, and not long later Armstrong, switching to a wider position before being taken out the team.
The way the team tired towards the end of the season and listening to the amount of people who were saying Moyes won't change it, seemed a little bit like way too many people were just guessing. They weren't guessing; they were actually second guessing, and I found it staggering how many people second guessed correctly.
“Stop thinking about the David Moyes who was here last time” is what a lot of people say,”!and when I try to take this on board, his actions stay very much the same way as they have always been, unfortunately.
Ian Bennett
17 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:44:38
17 Posted 28/05/2026 at 17:44:38
Robert, I totally agree with your assessment. I also think we have a right wing problem.
We lack goals and assists in an area that should be providing some decent returns. Shoehorning left wingers on the right, is not the answer.
I’d argue we are desperate for 2 full/backs, a right-winger, a centre-back, and a striker.
A better striker might deliver another 5 or 6 goals, but the other positions are costing us way more in team goals scored and conceded.
A big summer ahead. Who would you target?
We lack goals and assists in an area that should be providing some decent returns. Shoehorning left wingers on the right, is not the answer.
I’d argue we are desperate for 2 full/backs, a right-winger, a centre-back, and a striker.
A better striker might deliver another 5 or 6 goals, but the other positions are costing us way more in team goals scored and conceded.
A big summer ahead. Who would you target?
Kevin Molloy
18 Posted 28/05/2026 at 18:36:17
18 Posted 28/05/2026 at 18:36:17
I would add the following to the list of problems outlined by Robert.
The behaviour of David Moyes now that the season has finished. The tail-off is something we've seen with previous Moyes sides, and also the inability to fix it. And the lack of explanation for it.
When Davey was here with Kenwright, he was in a virtually unassailable position and could on occasion face down criticism. That should not be the situation now, but we seem to have drawn a similar response.
The recruitment from last year. After over £100M spent, only one of them made it into a pretty mediocre side on a regular basis. The implications here are grim, both for wasted money, and for what it means going forward.
The proposed budget this year. If you look at Roma's spend of the last 5 years, we may not be getting much of anything in extra funds.
We seem to be drifting into allowing the manager's contract to expire; this will drain his authority. Either back him or sack him.
The behaviour of David Moyes now that the season has finished. The tail-off is something we've seen with previous Moyes sides, and also the inability to fix it. And the lack of explanation for it.
When Davey was here with Kenwright, he was in a virtually unassailable position and could on occasion face down criticism. That should not be the situation now, but we seem to have drawn a similar response.
The recruitment from last year. After over £100M spent, only one of them made it into a pretty mediocre side on a regular basis. The implications here are grim, both for wasted money, and for what it means going forward.
The proposed budget this year. If you look at Roma's spend of the last 5 years, we may not be getting much of anything in extra funds.
We seem to be drifting into allowing the manager's contract to expire; this will drain his authority. Either back him or sack him.
Tommy Carter
19 Posted 28/05/2026 at 19:09:00
19 Posted 28/05/2026 at 19:09:00
Two halves, maybe... but some things always remain constant and never change.
Amongst these is the absolutely atrocious record of Moyes in the FA Cup.
An FA Cup win would be a magnificent achievement for this football club and it is a tournament he either views with disdain or he simply cannot navigate his way through this tournament.
At Sunderland and Man Utd, he got dumped out in the 3rd Round during his only season at both. He didn't do much better in either siting at West Ham and his record with Everton is abysmal.
Common features include being dumped out by lower division opposition or on the back of pathetic performance -- or both. Shrewsbury 2003, Blackburn 2007, Oldham 2008, Reading 2011, Wigan 2013 -- when Roberto did a number on Moyes in his own back yard, and a pathetic performance vs an extremely poor Liverpool side in 2012.
People may point to 2009 but we staggered our way through the semi -final against Man Utd reserves and then showed little fight in the final after the first 60 seconds.
I personally feel that we ought to part ways quickly and do everything possible to appoint Oliver Glasner as our new manager.
Amongst these is the absolutely atrocious record of Moyes in the FA Cup.
An FA Cup win would be a magnificent achievement for this football club and it is a tournament he either views with disdain or he simply cannot navigate his way through this tournament.
At Sunderland and Man Utd, he got dumped out in the 3rd Round during his only season at both. He didn't do much better in either siting at West Ham and his record with Everton is abysmal.
Common features include being dumped out by lower division opposition or on the back of pathetic performance -- or both. Shrewsbury 2003, Blackburn 2007, Oldham 2008, Reading 2011, Wigan 2013 -- when Roberto did a number on Moyes in his own back yard, and a pathetic performance vs an extremely poor Liverpool side in 2012.
People may point to 2009 but we staggered our way through the semi -final against Man Utd reserves and then showed little fight in the final after the first 60 seconds.
I personally feel that we ought to part ways quickly and do everything possible to appoint Oliver Glasner as our new manager.
Dale Self
20 Posted 28/05/2026 at 20:27:31
20 Posted 28/05/2026 at 20:27:31
Welcome back, Robert! Good to read you again.
Clinical analysis as always.
Clinical analysis as always.
Bob Boote
21 Posted 28/05/2026 at 20:38:46
21 Posted 28/05/2026 at 20:38:46
What's going on in the picture at the top of the page?
Are they sword-fighting?
Are they sword-fighting?
Brendan McLaughlin
22 Posted 28/05/2026 at 20:46:22
22 Posted 28/05/2026 at 20:46:22
Welcome back, Robert #13...
Your objectivity and lack of rancour have been missed. Hope it's a ToffeeWeb return rather than a one-off.
Your objectivity and lack of rancour have been missed. Hope it's a ToffeeWeb return rather than a one-off.
Dale Self
23 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:06:20
23 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:06:20
Bob 21, perhaps they are just docking.
Keith Harrison
24 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:18:31
24 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:18:31
There's numerous mentions of FB's required.
We have a very good right back. His name is Nathan Patterson, and he's off to the World Cup with Scotland. He also has(d) an understudy called Roman Dixon. I doubt Moyes would be able to spot them in an identity parade.
Patterson did very well against Hudson-Odoi and Hutchison of Notts Forest. So did Dibling who was teamed with him on the right hand side. Big mistake. like Rohl's mom performance against Villa, Davey seems to think this will lead to youngsters wanting to play with freedom all the time, so he banishes them to Gulag Finch Farm.
Mykolenko is not the long term answer at left back - I piss myself laughing every time he tries to head a ball - but surely Aznou, after his stunning cameo v Sunderland in the cup, deserved a whole lot more time on the pitch. Yet again, he may have played far too well for Daveys' liking. I personally think he may be better as a wing back, or even a left footed right winger where he was successfully employed for his country in a recent tournament. And scored a screamer.
Jarrad and Jake must be our first choice CB's next season, use Aznou and Patterson to enable us to play much further up the pitch, and make the first signing a proven goalscorer.
Obviously after Davey has his contract paid up so he can fully concentrate on his media duties at the World Cup while we have a summer re-build.
We have a very good right back. His name is Nathan Patterson, and he's off to the World Cup with Scotland. He also has(d) an understudy called Roman Dixon. I doubt Moyes would be able to spot them in an identity parade.
Patterson did very well against Hudson-Odoi and Hutchison of Notts Forest. So did Dibling who was teamed with him on the right hand side. Big mistake. like Rohl's mom performance against Villa, Davey seems to think this will lead to youngsters wanting to play with freedom all the time, so he banishes them to Gulag Finch Farm.
Mykolenko is not the long term answer at left back - I piss myself laughing every time he tries to head a ball - but surely Aznou, after his stunning cameo v Sunderland in the cup, deserved a whole lot more time on the pitch. Yet again, he may have played far too well for Daveys' liking. I personally think he may be better as a wing back, or even a left footed right winger where he was successfully employed for his country in a recent tournament. And scored a screamer.
Jarrad and Jake must be our first choice CB's next season, use Aznou and Patterson to enable us to play much further up the pitch, and make the first signing a proven goalscorer.
Obviously after Davey has his contract paid up so he can fully concentrate on his media duties at the World Cup while we have a summer re-build.
Brendan McLaughlin
25 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:22:32
25 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:22:32
Bob #21
Takes players holding each other to a different level completely.
Takes players holding each other to a different level completely.
Robert Tressell
26 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:49:09
26 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:49:09
Thanks for the various kind messages. I got a bit disillusioned. Then I got very busy. Nice to be in amongst it again but I'll be a fairly infrequent visitor, I expect.
I always find the summer business interesting - so I might comment on that. Moyes' recent comments seem to suggest the transfer kitty will be small again (it was 14th last season - with the mode and median averages both c. £200m).
If that's right it will be really tricky to bring in both quality and numbers - and to stay competitive and try to kick on we really do need both. So I expect the focus will be on doing that as best they can, rather expending time and trouble on a managerial change. The real excitement may have to wait till next summer - when Kieran McKenna is unveiled as his successor.
I always find the summer business interesting - so I might comment on that. Moyes' recent comments seem to suggest the transfer kitty will be small again (it was 14th last season - with the mode and median averages both c. £200m).
If that's right it will be really tricky to bring in both quality and numbers - and to stay competitive and try to kick on we really do need both. So I expect the focus will be on doing that as best they can, rather expending time and trouble on a managerial change. The real excitement may have to wait till next summer - when Kieran McKenna is unveiled as his successor.
Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:58:27
27 Posted 28/05/2026 at 21:58:27
My memory isn’t great tonight Keith, but thinking about Moyes, I’m trying to remember how many attacking fullbacks, or how many times I can remember him playing with two wide players - both fullbacks & wingers who really complemented each other?
I’ve got Baines, as a real attacking fullback and then Baines & Pienaar, as a real attacking partnership or combination, but other than this my memory doesn’t seem to recall many others.
I’ve got Baines, as a real attacking fullback and then Baines & Pienaar, as a real attacking partnership or combination, but other than this my memory doesn’t seem to recall many others.
Sean Herbert
28 Posted 28/05/2026 at 22:17:46
28 Posted 28/05/2026 at 22:17:46
Some clubs are already busy getting transfer targets organised and getting deals over the line. Other are in negotiations for players.
No doubt.we won't make any moves until the last 2 weeks of the transfer window and then be scrambling for free transfer and any leftovers unwanted by other clubs.
Followed by Moyes explaining how hard it is for Everton to attract players and how limited his budget was.
So we can look forward to starting the new season with one of the slowest teams in the premiership. I can hardly wait.
No doubt.we won't make any moves until the last 2 weeks of the transfer window and then be scrambling for free transfer and any leftovers unwanted by other clubs.
Followed by Moyes explaining how hard it is for Everton to attract players and how limited his budget was.
So we can look forward to starting the new season with one of the slowest teams in the premiership. I can hardly wait.
Brendan McLaughlin
29 Posted 28/05/2026 at 22:21:16
29 Posted 28/05/2026 at 22:21:16
Tony #27
Don't hurt your head on it.
They certainly ain't there now for Moyes to call upon.
Don't hurt your head on it.
They certainly ain't there now for Moyes to call upon.
Jimmy Hardacre
30 Posted 28/05/2026 at 22:29:05
30 Posted 28/05/2026 at 22:29:05
the main problem is and always has been Moyes does not try to win he only trys to not lose... we need to adress who went and looked at these pair of useless and decided they were premier leauge strikers they need to go with Moyes thanks a lot but time for better and you david can not give us it
Don Alexander
31 Posted 29/05/2026 at 02:36:07
31 Posted 29/05/2026 at 02:36:07
As some others state, as I for years have, Moyes looked after himself massively under Kenwright and was on phenomenally fabulous wages by kow-towing to our worst ever owner - no contest.
His management record is akin to some office-based lieutenant who always avoided service on the battle-front by sucking up to his more than amenable inadequate high-command.
Freidman is allowing him to continue it seems.
The shite state of our our squad has been created for decades by Kenwright, to this day and beyond.
No good player, never mind any very good/brilliant player, or their agent, will ever entertain signing for us whilst the long recognised master of enduringly moronic football is managing us.
.......... But Freidkin, like Kenwright, seems very happy with it.
His management record is akin to some office-based lieutenant who always avoided service on the battle-front by sucking up to his more than amenable inadequate high-command.
Freidman is allowing him to continue it seems.
The shite state of our our squad has been created for decades by Kenwright, to this day and beyond.
No good player, never mind any very good/brilliant player, or their agent, will ever entertain signing for us whilst the long recognised master of enduringly moronic football is managing us.
.......... But Freidkin, like Kenwright, seems very happy with it.
Mike Gaynes
32 Posted 29/05/2026 at 04:07:52
32 Posted 29/05/2026 at 04:07:52
Mark #15, I for one looked at our patched-together squad after the last summer window and picked us to finish 13th.
But then, I predicted Brentford would be relegated after losing Wissa, Mbuemo and Norgaard the year after they lost Toney and Raya, and they kicked ass again, so what the hell do I know?
But then, I predicted Brentford would be relegated after losing Wissa, Mbuemo and Norgaard the year after they lost Toney and Raya, and they kicked ass again, so what the hell do I know?
John Collins
33 Posted 29/05/2026 at 09:17:22
33 Posted 29/05/2026 at 09:17:22
Mike,
What finishing position did you predict when we were sitting in 8th?
What finishing position did you predict when we were sitting in 8th?
Mike Powell
34 Posted 29/05/2026 at 09:57:04
34 Posted 29/05/2026 at 09:57:04
Off the subject,great night at the Empire, with Everton Legends, Peter Reid,Tricky Trev, Paul Bracewell,and Alan Stubs, Reidy was star of the show
Tony Abrahams
35 Posted 29/05/2026 at 09:59:45
35 Posted 29/05/2026 at 09:59:45
Exactly Brendan, I believe you’re 100% completely accurate for once, with that post mate.
Does it not concern you that in 13 seasons at Everton, this is the only really genuine “attacking partnership” that was ever created, during Moyes’s, two tenure’s?
Unless I’m wrong and there have been a few more? but even after a very good sleep, I’m sleeping well, possibly because the season has finished, I still can’t remember any others.
Some might say Seamus Coleman, but I can’t remember him having a real partnership with any other player and his best season in a royal blue shirt, as far as I can remember (maybe my memory is going duller) was when he was allowed to get forward a lot more under Martinez.
That is a very good description of last year’s transfer window Mike. A patched together squad, and not something that I think you could blame the manager for, imo mate. I still expected a top ten finish though, and if the manager was prepared to use his squad properly, then I’m sure we would have qualified for Europe?
Does it not concern you that in 13 seasons at Everton, this is the only really genuine “attacking partnership” that was ever created, during Moyes’s, two tenure’s?
Unless I’m wrong and there have been a few more? but even after a very good sleep, I’m sleeping well, possibly because the season has finished, I still can’t remember any others.
Some might say Seamus Coleman, but I can’t remember him having a real partnership with any other player and his best season in a royal blue shirt, as far as I can remember (maybe my memory is going duller) was when he was allowed to get forward a lot more under Martinez.
That is a very good description of last year’s transfer window Mike. A patched together squad, and not something that I think you could blame the manager for, imo mate. I still expected a top ten finish though, and if the manager was prepared to use his squad properly, then I’m sure we would have qualified for Europe?
Jim Bennings
36 Posted 29/05/2026 at 10:09:02
36 Posted 29/05/2026 at 10:09:02
If you are keeping Moyes on for another season then you need to give him a 27 year old right back, a 27 year old left back, both have to be improvements on what we've had 2025/26.
You need to get him the experienced striker and some pace out wide, 25 years old plus.
Can the recruitment team do that?
It's not worth chasing around after 19 and 20 year olds again and "supposed to he's" because you know he won't play them.
If you are keeping Moyes that's the pattern this window must follow and the American owners need to back Moyes with that plan.
If you are going down the road of wanting younger fresher future potential talent that will take a few years to develop but can still offer some serious quality here and now, then they need to find a due manager and one more in keeping with that way of a transfer plan.
It would be nice if actually before the World Cup we heard from the Friedkin Group just so we all know that they are aware that they have Everton, as well as Roma.
You need to get him the experienced striker and some pace out wide, 25 years old plus.
Can the recruitment team do that?
It's not worth chasing around after 19 and 20 year olds again and "supposed to he's" because you know he won't play them.
If you are keeping Moyes that's the pattern this window must follow and the American owners need to back Moyes with that plan.
If you are going down the road of wanting younger fresher future potential talent that will take a few years to develop but can still offer some serious quality here and now, then they need to find a due manager and one more in keeping with that way of a transfer plan.
It would be nice if actually before the World Cup we heard from the Friedkin Group just so we all know that they are aware that they have Everton, as well as Roma.
Andy Meighan
37 Posted 29/05/2026 at 11:19:20
37 Posted 29/05/2026 at 11:19:20
Keith 24.
You piss yourself everytime Mykolenko heads a ball, I pissed myself at Gulag Finch Farm.
Absolute belter, wish id have thought of that.
You piss yourself everytime Mykolenko heads a ball, I pissed myself at Gulag Finch Farm.
Absolute belter, wish id have thought of that.
Ian Horan
38 Posted 29/05/2026 at 11:55:18
38 Posted 29/05/2026 at 11:55:18
For me Moyes is the type of manager I would describe as Prozac. Keeps you in a state of emotional nothingness!! We are stuck with him I am affraid. TFG know seadon ticket holdets will not give up their seat due to the long waiting list. Until the cash cow starts showing signs of drying up only then will they act.
Cost going the match are rising to a level that is unsustainable unless you attrack tourist supporters and unfortunately we don't have the draw or world wide appeal. Sadly TFG sed us as a safe long term investment. The EPL cash cow that keeps giving.
The playing squad is only unbalanced in Moyes mind, we have square pegs going into round holes, we critise our two CF who are technically awful. Beto is a tryer and has some support from the stands, Barry is lazy with no work effort and is sulan and yet heres a quandrum for you, neither have bern on the pitch as a pair also neither are our penalty takers yet add both goals scorrd totals together and ironically they woth be in the top 5 goal scorers in the league and with what volume of chances have they had created by the team.
Sadly I am disillusioned with EFC, now in my 63 year and never felt so unmotivated or disconnected from the club. Its sn addiction I want to break living a lie saying I am proud of what is playing out on the pitch!! Its the hope that kills us ETID UTFT
Cost going the match are rising to a level that is unsustainable unless you attrack tourist supporters and unfortunately we don't have the draw or world wide appeal. Sadly TFG sed us as a safe long term investment. The EPL cash cow that keeps giving.
The playing squad is only unbalanced in Moyes mind, we have square pegs going into round holes, we critise our two CF who are technically awful. Beto is a tryer and has some support from the stands, Barry is lazy with no work effort and is sulan and yet heres a quandrum for you, neither have bern on the pitch as a pair also neither are our penalty takers yet add both goals scorrd totals together and ironically they woth be in the top 5 goal scorers in the league and with what volume of chances have they had created by the team.
Sadly I am disillusioned with EFC, now in my 63 year and never felt so unmotivated or disconnected from the club. Its sn addiction I want to break living a lie saying I am proud of what is playing out on the pitch!! Its the hope that kills us ETID UTFT
Ian Horan
39 Posted 29/05/2026 at 12:02:50
39 Posted 29/05/2026 at 12:02:50
Sorry guys my spelling is shocking and the edit button doesnt appear to be working
Keith Harrison
40 Posted 29/05/2026 at 13:07:15
40 Posted 29/05/2026 at 13:07:15
Cheers Andy (37).
It's only my insanity that keeps me sane!!
It's only my insanity that keeps me sane!!
Phil Roberts
41 Posted 29/05/2026 at 14:03:12
41 Posted 29/05/2026 at 14:03:12
There really is a lot rubbish being written here.
Ian Horan writes in my 63 year and never felt so unmotivated or disconnected from the club
Joe McMahon write I'm getting older now, and Moyes and Everton is too stressful ontop of all other lifes problems.
And the rest of you of a similar vein.
I just remind you we were not in the near/very very close relegation of Lampard, Dyche, Benitez, Walker, Kendall Mk III and Walter Smith.
You mean to tell me that you were less enthused when we were playing the rubbish under that lot? Really?
Two seasons of last home match passionate wins to mean no relegation, then one of points deductions and then one of a sacking when were 16th and readying for another final 2 games to save us.
And this season is the worst?
We’ve had 34 seasons of the Premier League, of which Moyes has been in charge for 12 and (apart from 1 year when the players went to the beach with 4 games to go and we dropped from 13th to 17th), we have never looked like getting relegated in those 12 seasons. But that bunch. And you are moaning now!
And as for trophies, 22 years of Walker, Kendall, Smith, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Ancelotti, Lampard, Benitez and Dyche and not one of them delivered anything, not even a Cup Final. Only Joe Royle managed to get one by playing "Dogs of War". Was the football that free flowing to get us to the heady hights of 6th? Was it?
A number of us need to take a step back and consider where we have been since 1987. A Sh**e fan posted that with 6 games to go we were all bigging it up how we would beat them at BMD and get Champions League (cue MK saying Moyes bottled it and went for a 1-1d draw, yeah by bringing on Tyrique George to shut up shop).
But now because we were robbed of 3 points by VAR errors the sky has fallen in and we are the worst we have been in our 148 year history. Really??
We are one of the only 2 teams in the country that have not been relegated in over 70 years of my life time - but there are many on here who would prefer we were, if only so we could play "exciting" football. But we can also say goodbye to Branthwaite, Pickford, N'diaye, Garner, KDH who will be sold in the fire sale. Look what happened the last time we played sexy football. Martinez got lucky with the loan of Lukaku and then it all went downhill with two seasons of less points than we got this year.
Am I frustrated we finished so poorly? Too right I am. Really frustrated.
Am I annoyed that Glassthwaite was injured so much? - Yeah
Am I annoyed we did not get a RB last summer? - too right
Am I annoyed that Grealish got injured? - possibly but everyone says all he did was hold up the ball and make the attack slower.
Am I annoyed that our midfield is so poor that we have to play 4-2-3-1 and not 4-4-2 and have Braiden Graham playing as a second striker? - yes, that would be great.
Am I worried that TFK will be too slow to get in new players? Yes. Am I worried that Keane will still be here in August. Yes, but not if we sign a RB. Worried that we won't sign anyone under 35? No. Barry (22), Dibling (19), Röhl (23), Anzou (19), KDH (26) and then George (20) and Grealish (29) last summer. The TFK are maybe looking a bit more long term. Pickford, Patterson, O'Brien, Branthwaite, Anzou, Iroegbunam, Garner, Dibling, KDH, N'Diaye, Barry is an average age of 24y9m - below 24 if you exclude Grandad between the sticks - and that team excludes Röhl and Armstrong. In the article I pointed out the team averaged less than 28 - I reckon it will be even lower next season.
It is not as bad as we think. Take a step back and think were we have been.
Ian Horan writes in my 63 year and never felt so unmotivated or disconnected from the club
Joe McMahon write I'm getting older now, and Moyes and Everton is too stressful ontop of all other lifes problems.
And the rest of you of a similar vein.
I just remind you we were not in the near/very very close relegation of Lampard, Dyche, Benitez, Walker, Kendall Mk III and Walter Smith.
You mean to tell me that you were less enthused when we were playing the rubbish under that lot? Really?
Two seasons of last home match passionate wins to mean no relegation, then one of points deductions and then one of a sacking when were 16th and readying for another final 2 games to save us.
And this season is the worst?
We’ve had 34 seasons of the Premier League, of which Moyes has been in charge for 12 and (apart from 1 year when the players went to the beach with 4 games to go and we dropped from 13th to 17th), we have never looked like getting relegated in those 12 seasons. But that bunch. And you are moaning now!
And as for trophies, 22 years of Walker, Kendall, Smith, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Ancelotti, Lampard, Benitez and Dyche and not one of them delivered anything, not even a Cup Final. Only Joe Royle managed to get one by playing "Dogs of War". Was the football that free flowing to get us to the heady hights of 6th? Was it?
A number of us need to take a step back and consider where we have been since 1987. A Sh**e fan posted that with 6 games to go we were all bigging it up how we would beat them at BMD and get Champions League (cue MK saying Moyes bottled it and went for a 1-1d draw, yeah by bringing on Tyrique George to shut up shop).
But now because we were robbed of 3 points by VAR errors the sky has fallen in and we are the worst we have been in our 148 year history. Really??
We are one of the only 2 teams in the country that have not been relegated in over 70 years of my life time - but there are many on here who would prefer we were, if only so we could play "exciting" football. But we can also say goodbye to Branthwaite, Pickford, N'diaye, Garner, KDH who will be sold in the fire sale. Look what happened the last time we played sexy football. Martinez got lucky with the loan of Lukaku and then it all went downhill with two seasons of less points than we got this year.
Am I frustrated we finished so poorly? Too right I am. Really frustrated.
Am I annoyed that Glassthwaite was injured so much? - Yeah
Am I annoyed we did not get a RB last summer? - too right
Am I annoyed that Grealish got injured? - possibly but everyone says all he did was hold up the ball and make the attack slower.
Am I annoyed that our midfield is so poor that we have to play 4-2-3-1 and not 4-4-2 and have Braiden Graham playing as a second striker? - yes, that would be great.
Am I worried that TFK will be too slow to get in new players? Yes. Am I worried that Keane will still be here in August. Yes, but not if we sign a RB. Worried that we won't sign anyone under 35? No. Barry (22), Dibling (19), Röhl (23), Anzou (19), KDH (26) and then George (20) and Grealish (29) last summer. The TFK are maybe looking a bit more long term. Pickford, Patterson, O'Brien, Branthwaite, Anzou, Iroegbunam, Garner, Dibling, KDH, N'Diaye, Barry is an average age of 24y9m - below 24 if you exclude Grandad between the sticks - and that team excludes Röhl and Armstrong. In the article I pointed out the team averaged less than 28 - I reckon it will be even lower next season.
It is not as bad as we think. Take a step back and think were we have been.
Mick O\\\'Malley
42 Posted 29/05/2026 at 14:46:37
42 Posted 29/05/2026 at 14:46:37
Yes I was less enthused than under that lot you point out Phil, they had fuckall to spend while Moyes had £115 million pounds worth of transfers to use, plus we've never been close to relegation bar the Crystal Palace season, not once have I been worried about getting relegated bar that game, also after supporting Everton for over 50 years id like to see a bit more ambition than just staying away from the relegation places
I see absolutely no difference in the style of play, we are so boring to watch, we shit ourselves anytime there's a chance to jump up the table, weve gone out of both cups early at home again, so for me its no better than the seasons we've had since Ancelloti left, people are forking out £70 for tickets as well what they spend on bevvies scran etc and we've won 6 games at home, got a minus goal difference again, if you're happy with that its your perogative but I want more than just surviving and being bored to tears watching garbage safety first shite
I see absolutely no difference in the style of play, we are so boring to watch, we shit ourselves anytime there's a chance to jump up the table, weve gone out of both cups early at home again, so for me its no better than the seasons we've had since Ancelloti left, people are forking out £70 for tickets as well what they spend on bevvies scran etc and we've won 6 games at home, got a minus goal difference again, if you're happy with that its your perogative but I want more than just surviving and being bored to tears watching garbage safety first shite
Sean Herbert
43 Posted 29/05/2026 at 14:53:30
43 Posted 29/05/2026 at 14:53:30
Phil @ 42, the only one talking rubbish on here is you!
Making excuses for a manager who has won nothing with Everton in 12 seasons and has one cup final appearance to his name in that period.
A manager who has won one, single, trophy in his entire career and plays some of the most god awful football I have ever had the misfortune of watching.
Do we settle for not being in a relegation battle as success now? Because in one of the weakest ever premiership seasons and after having spent £115 million on new players, stone age Moyes managed one more point that Dyche achieved in his final, full, season.
Three of the younger players you mention hardly played all season. Nothing unusual for your hero though as Moyes just doesn't play youngsters. It doesn't sit with his safety first tactics.
Too many people are now happy to accept the the garbage Moyes will provide and accept all the claptrap he spouts to excuse it. What happened to the expectations of Everton supporters?
There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting more from a manager than permanent mediocrity. We should be aiming for European qualification and at least trying to win cup competitions at the very least.
Under Moyes we will be eternally a mid table team and he thinks we should be grateful for that. I,for one, refuse to accept that.
I want a manager who will, at least, attempt to return us to where I feel we belong. One of the top clubs in the country who are considered challengers for every trophy available. Not a manager just happy to sit mid table, like Moyes.
Making excuses for a manager who has won nothing with Everton in 12 seasons and has one cup final appearance to his name in that period.
A manager who has won one, single, trophy in his entire career and plays some of the most god awful football I have ever had the misfortune of watching.
Do we settle for not being in a relegation battle as success now? Because in one of the weakest ever premiership seasons and after having spent £115 million on new players, stone age Moyes managed one more point that Dyche achieved in his final, full, season.
Three of the younger players you mention hardly played all season. Nothing unusual for your hero though as Moyes just doesn't play youngsters. It doesn't sit with his safety first tactics.
Too many people are now happy to accept the the garbage Moyes will provide and accept all the claptrap he spouts to excuse it. What happened to the expectations of Everton supporters?
There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting more from a manager than permanent mediocrity. We should be aiming for European qualification and at least trying to win cup competitions at the very least.
Under Moyes we will be eternally a mid table team and he thinks we should be grateful for that. I,for one, refuse to accept that.
I want a manager who will, at least, attempt to return us to where I feel we belong. One of the top clubs in the country who are considered challengers for every trophy available. Not a manager just happy to sit mid table, like Moyes.
Phil Roberts
44 Posted 29/05/2026 at 15:03:11
44 Posted 29/05/2026 at 15:03:11
I am not making excuses - I am pointing out the facts becasue most on here read what they want to read.
He might be bad - but none of the others were any better - and that includes Carlo who managed to get his team of DCL, Richarlison and James to score 47 goals. Fantastic. We can only wish for 47 goals a season - except we have just had one! Oh but we don't mention that.
And when we got those exciting managers - Silva, Koeman, Martinez, what did we do??? We sacked them because we were in danger of relegation.
And Mick, forgotten about the Bournemouth game already??? A draw would have sent us down. Memories of Coventry in '98.
He might be bad - but none of the others were any better - and that includes Carlo who managed to get his team of DCL, Richarlison and James to score 47 goals. Fantastic. We can only wish for 47 goals a season - except we have just had one! Oh but we don't mention that.
And when we got those exciting managers - Silva, Koeman, Martinez, what did we do??? We sacked them because we were in danger of relegation.
And Mick, forgotten about the Bournemouth game already??? A draw would have sent us down. Memories of Coventry in '98.
Tony Abrahams
45 Posted 29/05/2026 at 15:31:17
45 Posted 29/05/2026 at 15:31:17
Sometimes I genuinely wish we had been relegated to stop certain people talking about avoiding relegation, like it is a badge of honour, unless I’m missing something and it has it become a badge of honour?
Has one of the best grounds in the country been built so we can watch unexciting, sterile, unbalanced, defensive football, with a little smattering of quality from time to time?
What are the genuine goals for the club, for most Evertonians these days ?
Has one of the best grounds in the country been built so we can watch unexciting, sterile, unbalanced, defensive football, with a little smattering of quality from time to time?
What are the genuine goals for the club, for most Evertonians these days ?
Raymond Fox
46 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:05:34
46 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:05:34
The 'best club manager in the world' that is by how many trophies won I think, couldn't get a good enough tune out of our players.
This debate about managers goes round and round and round, they cant do it without good enough players. They are the ones who have to do it on the field.
Ok, some managers are bound to be better than others I get that, but they can have tactics worked out to a tee but if the players cant carry them out, their useless.
To keep just blaming our managers for our continued lack of success is kidding ourselves. Personally I don't care if Moyes leaves or stays, the priority is the squad.
This debate about managers goes round and round and round, they cant do it without good enough players. They are the ones who have to do it on the field.
Ok, some managers are bound to be better than others I get that, but they can have tactics worked out to a tee but if the players cant carry them out, their useless.
To keep just blaming our managers for our continued lack of success is kidding ourselves. Personally I don't care if Moyes leaves or stays, the priority is the squad.
Les Callan
47 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:06:06
47 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:06:06
Phil. In my 70 years of watching the blues, I’ve never felt so bored at the match. Nuff sed.
Phil Roberts
48 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:15:38
48 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:15:38
You wern't there Dec 31 1983 then. Not part of the 13,000 who booed them off the pitch.
Steve Brown
49 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:38:14
49 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:38:14
Phil, @ 44,
You say you are pointing out facts, then misrepresent them.
Take this one - “ He might be bad - but none of the others were any better - and that includes Carlo who managed to get his team of DCL, Richarlison and James to score 47 goals.”
Let’s look into that for a second.
Moyes full season in charge: 2025/26:
Points - 49
Wins - 13
Draws - 10
Defeats - 15
GF - 47
GA - 50.
Ancelotti full season in charge: 2020/21:
Points - 59
Wins - 17
Draws - 8
Defeats - 13
GF - 47
GA - 48.
So, you focussed solely on the GF data and screened out the fact that a) Ancelotti won 10 more points than Moyes b) He won more games c) He suffered less defeats d) He conceded less goals e) His net spend was £39 million less than Moyes.
You could also point out that Ancelotti, Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Marco Silva ALL have a higher win ratio than Moyes in his second stint.
You also missed the amount of money that each manager was given in transfer funds.
2025/26: Net spend of £116 million
2024/25: Net spend of £28 million
2023/24: Net spend of £36 million
2022/23: Net spend of £22 million
2021/22: Net income of roughly £20 million
2020/21: Net spend of £77 million.
Dyche was on charge from 30th January 2023 to 9th January 2025. Do you notice any pattern for Dyche’s tenure and net spend available compared to Moyes?
You also only reference Dyche’s stats in the 2024/2025 when he left half way through the season.
Dyche had one full season in charge (2023/24), so let’s compare that to Moyes’s full season in charge (2025/26). I am going to include the points deducted due to PSR penalties as Dyche earned them on the field.
Dyche (2023/24)
W13 D9 L16 Points 48
Net Spend: £36 million.
Moyes (2025/26)
W13 D10 L15 Points 49
Net spend: £116 million
Moyes earned 1 point more with a higher net spend of £80 million. You missed that bit.
As you say, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
You say you are pointing out facts, then misrepresent them.
Take this one - “ He might be bad - but none of the others were any better - and that includes Carlo who managed to get his team of DCL, Richarlison and James to score 47 goals.”
Let’s look into that for a second.
Moyes full season in charge: 2025/26:
Points - 49
Wins - 13
Draws - 10
Defeats - 15
GF - 47
GA - 50.
Ancelotti full season in charge: 2020/21:
Points - 59
Wins - 17
Draws - 8
Defeats - 13
GF - 47
GA - 48.
So, you focussed solely on the GF data and screened out the fact that a) Ancelotti won 10 more points than Moyes b) He won more games c) He suffered less defeats d) He conceded less goals e) His net spend was £39 million less than Moyes.
You could also point out that Ancelotti, Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Marco Silva ALL have a higher win ratio than Moyes in his second stint.
You also missed the amount of money that each manager was given in transfer funds.
2025/26: Net spend of £116 million
2024/25: Net spend of £28 million
2023/24: Net spend of £36 million
2022/23: Net spend of £22 million
2021/22: Net income of roughly £20 million
2020/21: Net spend of £77 million.
Dyche was on charge from 30th January 2023 to 9th January 2025. Do you notice any pattern for Dyche’s tenure and net spend available compared to Moyes?
You also only reference Dyche’s stats in the 2024/2025 when he left half way through the season.
Dyche had one full season in charge (2023/24), so let’s compare that to Moyes’s full season in charge (2025/26). I am going to include the points deducted due to PSR penalties as Dyche earned them on the field.
Dyche (2023/24)
W13 D9 L16 Points 48
Net Spend: £36 million.
Moyes (2025/26)
W13 D10 L15 Points 49
Net spend: £116 million
Moyes earned 1 point more with a higher net spend of £80 million. You missed that bit.
As you say, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.
John Collins
50 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:46:27
50 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:46:27
"There really is a lot rubbish being written here".
Certainly is.
You just wrote a post full of it.
Certainly is.
You just wrote a post full of it.
Les Callan
51 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:46:38
51 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:46:38
I certainly was, Phil... But that was one match.
I'm talking about match after match after match. Utterly boring.
I'm talking about match after match after match. Utterly boring.
John Collins
52 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:48:39
52 Posted 29/05/2026 at 16:48:39
"Has one of the best grounds in the country been built so we can watch unexciting, sterile, unbalanced, defensive football, with a little smattering of quality from time to time?"
Thats what it appears to be Tony.
Worse mate, some of us are fuckin made up with how it's going.
The Stability Mob
Thats what it appears to be Tony.
Worse mate, some of us are fuckin made up with how it's going.
The Stability Mob
Ian Bennett
53 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:01:18
53 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:01:18
What was the 5-year net spend like including Carlo vs the 5-year net spend including Moyes?
That will give you some idea of the squad value that both had to work with over the season, not just the new players bought.
That will give you some idea of the squad value that both had to work with over the season, not just the new players bought.
Mark Taylor
54 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:10:19
54 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:10:19
Phil
Against Coventry from recollection. But that side sure came together. Would this one? Can't see it.
Like everyone else I still keep watching but I think a real low point was then we kicked off in our final match, the ball was passed back to Dewsbury-Hall who juggled it and booted it as high in the air as he could. Almost like accepting we can't actually play football. Summed this season up for me- and most of the others in recent memory.
Sorry but that made my heart sink. Whoever suggested doing that needs taking out the club.
Against Coventry from recollection. But that side sure came together. Would this one? Can't see it.
Like everyone else I still keep watching but I think a real low point was then we kicked off in our final match, the ball was passed back to Dewsbury-Hall who juggled it and booted it as high in the air as he could. Almost like accepting we can't actually play football. Summed this season up for me- and most of the others in recent memory.
Sorry but that made my heart sink. Whoever suggested doing that needs taking out the club.
Ian Horan
55 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:11:01
55 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:11:01
Phil Roberts @41- without spitting my dummy out. My response is, I respect your opinion; sadly, you have clearly shown you have no respect of anyone elses opinion.
Our club motto is Nothing But The Best Will Do!!! Now my perception is you are a “glass half-full” kind of guy and that’s fine for your view.
I never said everyone has my view as that would be very myopic and obviously very narscistic. Opinions are like arseholes — everyone has one; just some arseholes are bigger than others!!!!
I will let others judge what size mine is…
Our club motto is Nothing But The Best Will Do!!! Now my perception is you are a “glass half-full” kind of guy and that’s fine for your view.
I never said everyone has my view as that would be very myopic and obviously very narscistic. Opinions are like arseholes — everyone has one; just some arseholes are bigger than others!!!!
I will let others judge what size mine is…
Mike Gaynes
56 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:16:43
56 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:16:43
John #33, 10th. I got a bit swept up in the enthusiasm too, especially because of Branthwaite's return.
Tony #35, agreed. Moyes ran guys like Dewsbury-Hall Garner and Ndiaye into the ground, and it cost us dearly. But I still think the single largest factor in our fade was losing Jarrad again. He is just that important.
Tony #35, agreed. Moyes ran guys like Dewsbury-Hall Garner and Ndiaye into the ground, and it cost us dearly. But I still think the single largest factor in our fade was losing Jarrad again. He is just that important.
Billy Shears
57 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:41:05
57 Posted 29/05/2026 at 17:41:05
Yep... very slow and grind to a fucking stop.
Pathetic!
Pathetic!
Darren Hind
58 Posted 29/05/2026 at 18:57:27
58 Posted 29/05/2026 at 18:57:27
Tony @ 27,
I know it's been a depressing season where people who understand what they are talking about were proved unequivocally right about Moyes and those defending him have been made to look proper nanas.
But you are trying to remember stuff that didn't happen. Take a break Mate.
Unfortunately. Despite everything, they are still apologising... they will never stop apologising.
I know it's been a depressing season where people who understand what they are talking about were proved unequivocally right about Moyes and those defending him have been made to look proper nanas.
But you are trying to remember stuff that didn't happen. Take a break Mate.
Unfortunately. Despite everything, they are still apologising... they will never stop apologising.
Tony Abrahams
59 Posted 29/05/2026 at 20:21:57
59 Posted 29/05/2026 at 20:21:57
I think it is underestimated how important Branthwaite is, Mike, so I just hope he can get over his injuries and get a proper run in the team. He's badly needed, and not just his undoubted quality, but because he gets us playing higher up the pitch.
So yes, losing Jarrad was a major blow and had a huge effect on the team but I don't think anyone can play anywhere near their true potential when they're tired -- a manager with the longevity of David Moyes will surely know this.
It's how he has always managed though. I can't ever remember a time when his team never looked tired for at least a part of the season. I think tiredness was the major factor in those last few games of the season.
Thanks for the advice, Darren. I just wish I could thank David Moyes for the memories!
So yes, losing Jarrad was a major blow and had a huge effect on the team but I don't think anyone can play anywhere near their true potential when they're tired -- a manager with the longevity of David Moyes will surely know this.
It's how he has always managed though. I can't ever remember a time when his team never looked tired for at least a part of the season. I think tiredness was the major factor in those last few games of the season.
Thanks for the advice, Darren. I just wish I could thank David Moyes for the memories!
Liam Mogan
60 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:08:56
60 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:08:56
Its like that Monty Python sketch
'He's not the Moyesiah, he's just a very average manager. Now go away'
'He's not the Moyesiah, he's just a very average manager. Now go away'
Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:26:14
61 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:26:14
Those United fans who used to sing about always looking on the bright side of life were definitely visionaries, Liam!
Now... Where's Sir Alex, when we need him?
Liam Mogan
62 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:34:28
62 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:34:28
I heard snippets of the latest Rooney Moyes podcast and was actually sickened by it, Tony.
Moyes is still in thrall to SAF and saw Everton as nothing more than a stepping stone back in the day. Now we are just there to stoke his huge but fragile ego and feather his retirement nest. Was congratulating himself that SAF was going to 'let' him keep Rooney for another 12 months.
And Rooney can do one also with his comments about unhappy Everton fans doing his head in. You lost the right to that when you left lad. Stick to being a stooge for RS idiots condescending you and taking the piss, like Paddy Giblets and that lad from The City is Ours who looks like a Siamese Cat.
Moyes is still in thrall to SAF and saw Everton as nothing more than a stepping stone back in the day. Now we are just there to stoke his huge but fragile ego and feather his retirement nest. Was congratulating himself that SAF was going to 'let' him keep Rooney for another 12 months.
And Rooney can do one also with his comments about unhappy Everton fans doing his head in. You lost the right to that when you left lad. Stick to being a stooge for RS idiots condescending you and taking the piss, like Paddy Giblets and that lad from The City is Ours who looks like a Siamese Cat.
Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:58:07
63 Posted 29/05/2026 at 21:58:07
I can't believe how well Wayne has matured, Liam, since he was sued for libel after criticising Moyes all those years ago.
Moyes definitely has a massive ego and must've been convinced he had done an amazing job at Everton the first time around.
Like I said to the Man Utd fan who was singing the song, “Man Utd will never die” in a Wembley hotel after the Bayern v Dortmund Champions League Final:
"You might not die but the only way you're going to go now is backwards with David Moyes in charge, lad."
Come to think of it, maybe Rooney is just sticking up for Moyes because of that massive new contract he was given by Moyesie, who was his out of depth gaffer, at Man Utd.
Moyes definitely has a massive ego and must've been convinced he had done an amazing job at Everton the first time around.
Like I said to the Man Utd fan who was singing the song, “Man Utd will never die” in a Wembley hotel after the Bayern v Dortmund Champions League Final:
"You might not die but the only way you're going to go now is backwards with David Moyes in charge, lad."
Come to think of it, maybe Rooney is just sticking up for Moyes because of that massive new contract he was given by Moyesie, who was his out of depth gaffer, at Man Utd.
Liam Mogan
64 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:02:33
64 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:02:33
Pair of them sitting there laughing about him leaving Everton. All a big joke. Massaging each other's egos.
And Wayne has definitely matured. He looks older than Moyes.
And Wayne has definitely matured. He looks older than Moyes.
Tony Abrahams
65 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:25:26
65 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:25:26
If there is one player I genuinely wish had never played for Everton, then it is definitely Wayne Rooney, Liam.
Not because I didn't like him -- how could I not? -- he was absolutely brilliant, but because the money from his transfer enabled that bastard Kenwright to keep hold of Everton.
Not because I didn't like him -- how could I not? -- he was absolutely brilliant, but because the money from his transfer enabled that bastard Kenwright to keep hold of Everton.
Liam Mogan
66 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:38:05
66 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:38:05
I'm pretty fed up of it all atm Tony.
I didn't enjoy this season at any point and, after Christmas, my dislike of Moyes from his first spell just intensified again.
It's his obfuscation and blatant disrespect for the fanbase that annoy me most. He is the first to take credit and the last to take blame. Now we have an incumbent manager laughing and joking about losing a player in his previous spell.
I find it disrespectful but also indicative of him as a person. Anytime he's around elite players or managers, he's so desperate to please he turns into a David Brent figure -- 'Please recognise me as one of you' -- that he makes his current club the punchline of a joke.
I just don't want him near the club. I probably have Moyes Derangement Syndrome, but I can't stand the man.
Never mind that he's not actually that good at being a manager. He's just a perennial nearly man. Not good enough. Never has been. Never will be.
I didn't enjoy this season at any point and, after Christmas, my dislike of Moyes from his first spell just intensified again.
It's his obfuscation and blatant disrespect for the fanbase that annoy me most. He is the first to take credit and the last to take blame. Now we have an incumbent manager laughing and joking about losing a player in his previous spell.
I find it disrespectful but also indicative of him as a person. Anytime he's around elite players or managers, he's so desperate to please he turns into a David Brent figure -- 'Please recognise me as one of you' -- that he makes his current club the punchline of a joke.
I just don't want him near the club. I probably have Moyes Derangement Syndrome, but I can't stand the man.
Never mind that he's not actually that good at being a manager. He's just a perennial nearly man. Not good enough. Never has been. Never will be.
Brendan McLaughlin
67 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:42:11
67 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:42:11
Liam #66
You didn't enjoy this season even when we were 8th and in with a shout of Europe?
You didn't enjoy this season even when we were 8th and in with a shout of Europe?
Keith Harrison
68 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:42:56
68 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:42:56
Liam (@64), Wayne -- allegedly -- so mature now, he's chasing Moyes' mother!
If you're still near Holmfirth, Liam, 18 June. Superb band, Robert Jon & the Wreck.
But lets get back to David Moyes and the Wreckage. Phil is almost arguing for Moyes at times, but in my humble opinion, Europe was there for the taking this season if Davie had shown a little more -- or in his case, a Quantum Leap -- bravery.
The players were knackered after his insistence on virtually no squad rotation, and I know for a fact that one of Jarrad Branthwaite's injuries came about after Moyes played him in 3 consecutive matches in 8 days on his return from an injury. His final injury came after he appeared to take a knock in the second half against the shite, but was not replaced. This was then exacerbated when making the run across the box later on to foil Gakpo.
I'd have loved to have seen Carlo's side live, but very few did because of Covid. Imagine being at Anfield when outplaying them in the 2 - 0 win. That team would also have fared a lot better with supporters in the ground, but irrespective. I would rather watch that exciting football than most of the turgid stuff we have served up at home this season.
My email from Everton today tells me over 97% of supporters have renewed their season tickets while informing I am not eligible! Luckily (???) I have procured one from another supporter, but can't in all honesty say I'm looking forward to next season if we are under David Moyes.
Why did I get it then? Blind Obeisance. I still love the club though they put me through the ringer on a regular basis.
If you're still near Holmfirth, Liam, 18 June. Superb band, Robert Jon & the Wreck.
But lets get back to David Moyes and the Wreckage. Phil is almost arguing for Moyes at times, but in my humble opinion, Europe was there for the taking this season if Davie had shown a little more -- or in his case, a Quantum Leap -- bravery.
The players were knackered after his insistence on virtually no squad rotation, and I know for a fact that one of Jarrad Branthwaite's injuries came about after Moyes played him in 3 consecutive matches in 8 days on his return from an injury. His final injury came after he appeared to take a knock in the second half against the shite, but was not replaced. This was then exacerbated when making the run across the box later on to foil Gakpo.
I'd have loved to have seen Carlo's side live, but very few did because of Covid. Imagine being at Anfield when outplaying them in the 2 - 0 win. That team would also have fared a lot better with supporters in the ground, but irrespective. I would rather watch that exciting football than most of the turgid stuff we have served up at home this season.
My email from Everton today tells me over 97% of supporters have renewed their season tickets while informing I am not eligible! Luckily (???) I have procured one from another supporter, but can't in all honesty say I'm looking forward to next season if we are under David Moyes.
Why did I get it then? Blind Obeisance. I still love the club though they put me through the ringer on a regular basis.
Liam Mogan
69 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:44:55
69 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:44:55
Already got tickets to that one, Keith!
Keith Harrison
70 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:47:26
70 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:47:26
See you there, pal.
Saw them in April in Newcastle. Amazing. We should meet up.
Saw them in April in Newcastle. Amazing. We should meet up.
Liam Mogan
71 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:50:47
71 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:50:47
No, Brendan @67, it was awful.
I said so at the time, despite the fact that we finished 8th in February. (We must have been the first team to ever do that!)
The football was awful, the home form atrocious, Moyes was talking with a forked tongue as usual. It was just being masked by a few close away wins (which could easily have been draws or losses).
So no, I never enjoyed it. Could see what was about to pan out. Jaded Moyes is at least consistent in continually grasping failure when success is calling.
I said so at the time, despite the fact that we finished 8th in February. (We must have been the first team to ever do that!)
The football was awful, the home form atrocious, Moyes was talking with a forked tongue as usual. It was just being masked by a few close away wins (which could easily have been draws or losses).
So no, I never enjoyed it. Could see what was about to pan out. Jaded Moyes is at least consistent in continually grasping failure when success is calling.
Liam Mogan
72 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:52:27
72 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:52:27
Yes, Keith, that'd be good. I'll be there with a few mates.
Hopefully grab a couple of drinks in the pubs around the venue from 5-ish.
Hopefully grab a couple of drinks in the pubs around the venue from 5-ish.
Keith Harrison
73 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:56:50
73 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:56:50
Bridge Inn, prob eat in there mate around 5.
Keith Harrison
74 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:58:01
74 Posted 29/05/2026 at 22:58:01
And to get back on track...
Moyes Out!!
Moyes Out!!
Sean Herbert
75 Posted 29/05/2026 at 23:19:25
75 Posted 29/05/2026 at 23:19:25
Ian @53, what does squad value have to do when talking about the Moyesiah?
I was under the impression that Moyes improved players beyond recognition, at least according to his supporters?
Dull, dreary Dave will never change... and nor will his tactics. Even his excuses haven't changed.
I was under the impression that Moyes improved players beyond recognition, at least according to his supporters?
Dull, dreary Dave will never change... and nor will his tactics. Even his excuses haven't changed.
Derek Thomas
76 Posted 29/05/2026 at 23:51:34
76 Posted 29/05/2026 at 23:51:34
Period 1: Now -- before the World Cup. Spurs doing a bit of Preliminary lining up.
Period 2: The World Cup ends 19 July. 90% of anybody worth anything will be there.
Period 3: Players on Holiday, Preseason games... Premier League starts 22 August.
Period 4: Up to 1 September, when the window closes.
Period 5: 31 October; anybody we get in -- probably in Period 4 -- will take until then to get 'Moyes Fit' or recover from the injury they had when we bought them.
Period 6: Points total by that date... 6 points.
Pressure mounts. Home loses to Hull City and Coventry Coventry. Kinnear 'still' Happily Disatisfied
Period 2: The World Cup ends 19 July. 90% of anybody worth anything will be there.
Period 3: Players on Holiday, Preseason games... Premier League starts 22 August.
Period 4: Up to 1 September, when the window closes.
Period 5: 31 October; anybody we get in -- probably in Period 4 -- will take until then to get 'Moyes Fit' or recover from the injury they had when we bought them.
Period 6: Points total by that date... 6 points.
Pressure mounts. Home loses to Hull City and Coventry Coventry. Kinnear 'still' Happily Disatisfied
Don Alexander
77 Posted 29/05/2026 at 00:06:11
77 Posted 29/05/2026 at 00:06:11
I don't know if Dan Freidkin is a Beatles fan but they wrote this song when Dozy (self-serving-only) Dave was still in short pants. To me, it should be his theme tune:
I'm a loser
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be
Of all the clubs I have won or have lost
There is one club I should never have crossed
It was a club in a million, my friend
I should have known I would fail in the end
I'm a loser
And I lost the fans who're aware of me
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be.
Although I lie and I act with a frown
Beneath this mask, I am all but a clown
My tears are falling like rain from the sky
Is it for me or myself that I cry?
I'm a loser
And I lost all hope of all those near to me
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be.
And what have fans done to deserve such a fate?
They knew before I was never that great.
And so TFG, pride comes before a fall,
I'm telling you now so that you won't lose it all
I'm a loser.
And I lost a club that's near to me
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be.
I'm a loser
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be
Of all the clubs I have won or have lost
There is one club I should never have crossed
It was a club in a million, my friend
I should have known I would fail in the end
I'm a loser
And I lost the fans who're aware of me
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be.
Although I lie and I act with a frown
Beneath this mask, I am all but a clown
My tears are falling like rain from the sky
Is it for me or myself that I cry?
I'm a loser
And I lost all hope of all those near to me
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be.
And what have fans done to deserve such a fate?
They knew before I was never that great.
And so TFG, pride comes before a fall,
I'm telling you now so that you won't lose it all
I'm a loser.
And I lost a club that's near to me
I'm a loser
And I'm not what I appear to be.
Michael Kenrick
78 Posted 30/05/2026 at 08:18:37
78 Posted 30/05/2026 at 08:18:37
That's very good, for you, Don.
A touch of whimsical satire. (Assuming it's intended for Dozy Dave and not Dan the Don?)
A touch of whimsical satire. (Assuming it's intended for Dozy Dave and not Dan the Don?)
John Collins
79 Posted 30/05/2026 at 08:37:38
79 Posted 30/05/2026 at 08:37:38
Brendan @67.
Is that a sarcastic post?
Is that a sarcastic post?
Steve Brown
80 Posted 30/05/2026 at 08:55:08
80 Posted 30/05/2026 at 08:55:08
Liam @ 62, the Moyes - Rooney podcast was back-slapping bollocks.
The Osman-Bellew podcast was just bollocks. If they were paid a pound for every time they said the word “stability”, they would have made a hundred quid.
Listenng to Bellew explain why he was “not having” Iraola was similar to Frank Bruno explaining quantum physics.
The Osman-Bellew podcast was just bollocks. If they were paid a pound for every time they said the word “stability”, they would have made a hundred quid.
Listenng to Bellew explain why he was “not having” Iraola was similar to Frank Bruno explaining quantum physics.
John Collins
81 Posted 30/05/2026 at 11:29:50
81 Posted 30/05/2026 at 11:29:50
Love Tony Bellew as a boxer and person.
Unfortunately he is, and always has been, a firm's man.
Unfortunately he is, and always has been, a firm's man.
Andy Meighan
82 Posted 31/05/2026 at 15:13:40
82 Posted 31/05/2026 at 15:13:40
Liam 62.
That lad from the city is ours who looks like a siamese cat.
Absolutely pissed myself when I read that, come to think of it he actually does.
Another celebrity redshite, it's full of them.
That lad from the city is ours who looks like a siamese cat.
Absolutely pissed myself when I read that, come to think of it he actually does.
Another celebrity redshite, it's full of them.
Andy Meighan
83 Posted 31/05/2026 at 15:24:14
83 Posted 31/05/2026 at 15:24:14
I'm currently lying on a beach in Greece quite happily dissatisfied with life at the minute.
We might have a shit team a shit board and an even stubborn shit manager, but I will say this weve got the funniest supporters been some crackers lately, Liams siamese cat and Keith's Gulag shouts had me wetting myself, I loved Don's Beatles analogy, sums us up that.
If there were prizes for one liners we'd be world champions.
Like the old saying goes if you never laughed youd cry.
We might have a shit team a shit board and an even stubborn shit manager, but I will say this weve got the funniest supporters been some crackers lately, Liams siamese cat and Keith's Gulag shouts had me wetting myself, I loved Don's Beatles analogy, sums us up that.
If there were prizes for one liners we'd be world champions.
Like the old saying goes if you never laughed youd cry.
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1 Posted 28/05/2026 at 09:21:16
"Moyes selects players he knows will do a job."
And what job is that? To curb any attacking flair they may innately possess, and sacrifice it on the pyre of boring defensive football... to achieve what result exactly?
Yea, Job Done!