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Sean Dyche says he could sense his Everton side were going to throw away their precious 2-0 advantage over Bournemouth today but blamed his players for not doing “the ugly side of the game” to see out what should have been a comfortable victory.

The Blues lost 3-2 in almost incomprehensible fashion having been 2-0 up in the 87th minute, an epic defensive collapse condemning them to a 3-2 defeat that the manager described as the most frustrating of his career.

Fans have pointed to Everton’s loss of momentum when Iliman Ndiaye was withdrawn in favour of Abdoulaye Doucouré shortly before the Cherries scored their first goal but Dyche expressed his annoyance at his failure to get the message across to his players to just do the basics in the closing stages.

“For whatever reason, they scored a goal and we were just looking at each other,” the manager explained afterwards. “Everyone was staring at each other and going: ‘Who is going to do that? Who's going to win a challenge, who's going to win that race, who's going to win that header, and waiting for someone else to do it. And you can't do that.

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“Everyone's got to make a difference. And they did, for 87 minutes this was a very, very good performance and I was very pleased with the mixture of the play. They [Bournemouth] play quite long, just putting it forward, and we dealt with that. No problem.

“And then after the first goal I could smell it in the air. Not necessarily not winning. But I could smell it, I thought ‘this isn’t right’. And I'm trying to correct them, I’m screaming at them to get their shape, get the wide men tucked in and just do the absolute ugly side of game — play forwards, win your headers, win your tackles, win your races. We didn’t, and they get a win out of nowhere.

“[Getting your message across is] the hardest thing because the [players are] active; they're out there. A bit of fatigue. The stadium changed quickly because they are going ‘what's going on here?’ They are always the hardest things to change and to correct, that moment.

"It is always the manager. It is always the manager who takes responsibility. You are looking for your team while they are out there to take responsibility. But it takes character and it takes leadership and it takes people who have been around to smell it. We're trying to get it on, furiously trying to just play 4-4-1-1 and just play it forwards, that is it."

Captain Seamus Coleman, starting his first Premier League match of the season after overcoming a calf strain, was equally dumbfounded.

"We really let ourselves down in front of our fans,” he said. “We cannot take our foot off the gas at this level.

"Unfortunately we did that. We cannot be conceding the goals that we did. We have to look at ourselves in the mirror."

 

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Mike Hayes
1 Posted 31/08/2024 at 20:40:17
Yeah, you stunk the gaff out with those stupid substitutes — took the two main threats off and Boom! Game is lost, for fuck's sake.

All down to you, Dino Dyche.

Jamie Morgan
2 Posted 31/08/2024 at 21:13:09
All down to Dyche. He has to go! The credit in the bank earned over the last two seasons has gone! Terrible substitutions and anyone who follows Everton knew we'd lose as soon as Bournemouth scored their first!

Smell it was going wrong? All I smell is your bullshit after every poor performance.

We are a laughing stock! Someone please sack him.

Shane Corcoran
3 Posted 31/08/2024 at 21:24:46
Dyche replaced an attacker and centre forward in the 82nd and 87th minute with relatively like for like subs.

I don't remember hearing 40k odd sighs of exasperation when Ndiaye went off because at the time the fans saw it as a fairly normal sub.

He brought on an experienced player in Doucoure.

The players should have dealt with situation in my opinion.

Mark Ryan
5 Posted 31/08/2024 at 21:31:31
A rather childish thing for me say but "Dyche you smelt it cos you dealt it"
All was rosesy in the garden today and you pulled the plug you fucking moron! It's not like we have Liverpool on Tuesday night or we are flying to play Bayern on Wednesday. We are heading into an international break. Leave the team to score that 3rd, it was coming, you could feel it. Yes, there were players tiring but you could feel the relief of a solid win was in the air for us, the players, everyone felt it. It was like the whole stadium was passing round a massive fucking joint and starting to relax and put our feet up. You stank the place out and totally fucked it.
He needs to go asap.
Mark Ryan
6 Posted 31/08/2024 at 21:31:31
A rather childish thing for me say but "Dyche you smelt it cos you dealt it"
All was rosesy in the garden today and you pulled the plug you fucking moron! It's not like we have Liverpool on Tuesday night or we are flying to play Bayern on Wednesday. We are heading into an international break. Leave the team to score that 3rd, it was coming, you could feel it. Yes, there were players tiring but you could feel the relief of a solid win was in the air for us, the players, everyone felt it. It was like the whole stadium was passing round a massive fucking joint and starting to relax and put our feet up. You stank the place out and totally fucked it.
He needs to go asap.
Oliver Molloy
8 Posted 31/08/2024 at 21:47:46
"They [Bournemouth] play quite long, just putting it forward, and we dealt with that. No problem."

Unbelievable from Dyche, considering what he fucking is.
He got it totally wrong again today - pathetic attempt to absolve himself of poor management. once again !

Andrew Brookfield
9 Posted 31/08/2024 at 22:06:23
I missed the game as at a wedding, but from what I can gather we outplayed them for most of the game and actually looked good.

With ten minutes to go, and a 2-0 lead he took off our number ten to replace him with a more industrious midfielder - high energy for the last ten minutes makes sense to me.

Up till this point, I don't think tactically you can question Dyche.

How we collapse after that I have no idea, weak mentality, lack of shape, lack of composure - all things that the manager is responsible for. He can't and shouldn't exonerate himself, but I'm not sure you can blame it on his subs.

Mark Ryan
10 Posted 31/08/2024 at 22:11:58
Andrew @ 9 he simply needed to do nothing for once. No subs, none needed, they were on the ropes and by makibg the subs all momentum was stopped. We simply went into our shell. We had grown through tge game and the subs made us go back to the middle of the ring and allowed them back into the fight. Watch MOTD because I cannot. It was obscene. No subs today Dyche, leave it alone, just let the dogs keep running. Unbelievable!
Oliver Molloy
11 Posted 31/08/2024 at 22:16:20
"We really let ourselves down in front of our fans,” said Coleman.

“We cannot take our foot off the gas at this level. Unfortunately we did that. We cannot be conceding the goals that we did. We have to look at ourselves in the mirror."

How many times have we heard that over the years Seamus !

Nigel Munford
12 Posted 31/08/2024 at 22:17:26
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, last couple of games he's been chastised for not subbing, this week he does sub, pretty much when the games won, all the players have to do is stop the opposition scoring, and they couldn't, three feckin times, so he's still wrong. Who'd be a football manager.
Paul Ferry
13 Posted 31/08/2024 at 22:44:48
This is simply unforgivable: "It is always the manager. It is always the manager who takes responsibility. You are looking for your team while they are out there to take responsibility. But it takes character and it takes leadership and it takes people who have been around to smell it".

First of all, weirdo, what's all this smell shite of the last seven days? Is "smell" the new "phenomenal". What the fuck does it mean? And what are those people supposed to be "smelling"?

(Primeval footnote: sorry: can't you just imagine the three hard-boiled eggs having farting competitions in the Vauxhall Corsa on the way back to Nottingham? "Whoa that was a good one Woansey")

So, chief Hard-Boiled Egg can smell it - whatever it is. He is quite clearly losing it' He is talking absolute waffle and drivel. Not much of it makes sense. Some sentences do not follow logically after another. He is losing it. Trump talks about sharks and Hannibal Lecter; Dyche has his "smell" now and the old chestnuts "grass" and "story".

Mark my words, he's losing it. He's cracking up, although he might not be intelligent, sensitive, and self-retrospective enough to crack up.

But the worst thing is - another Trump quality this - the absolute absence of self-recognition, perspective, and humility. He has nothing to learn and no one to learn from.

That longish quote from the presser is to me astonishing and revealing. In a nutshell, "me, me me, you keep saying I have responsibility, but it is the players out there who should take responsibility, but I'm not sure if they have the character to do so and they can't smell it like what I can".

Fucking coward. Never has a narcissist had less right and reason to be a narcissist. He refuses to accept realities right in front of his eyes. He says there were players out there suffering "fatigue" - well sub them you fecking thick Tory twat.

Even worse than being a shite manager is being an embarrassing shite manager. There is no more humiliating sight in the Premier League today than the three hard-boiled eggs on the touchline.

It's not Everton. It just isn't. We are better than this. He is not us. He is most certainly not Everton.

Billy Shears
14 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:04:25
The most frustrating thing is for me...I honestly think we have a good side in the making!

With all the young players and new signings,we just need a pro-active new Gaffer who allows the team to grow together and allows them the freedom to express themselves,take the shackles off and just go for it in games...yes of course they'll make mistakes along the way but there'll be stronger in the long run!

Denver Daniels
15 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:05:17
You can't blame Dyche's subs for that. That was squarely on the players, particularly the back 4. Coleman looked like he was scared. Do Tarks and Keane communicate? Keane totally unaware what was around him for the last goal. We can't seem to stop crosses coming in or winning the first header. How the hell did no one pick the Bournemouth player up for the equaliser? This defence has gone from one of the best last season to the worst. I have zero confidence in the Tarks/Keane combo.
Mark Ryan
16 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:05:51
Bravo Paul @ 13, spot on
Andrew Grey
17 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:06:19
Tim and Idrissa should have been subbed but for who? Hardly anyone left in the squad. Garner and Docoure maybe. Barebones. Great for 80 mins all deserve credit, for the last ten all deserve criticism, Dyche and the players.
Mark Andrews
18 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:07:39
Dyche has the tactical ability and game management skills of a potato.
One of his many weaknesses is his timing and substitutions, he lost us the game today. Bournemouth put 5 fresh players on and he laboured with tired legs. Both full backs were shot and we had replacements on the bench, he did nothing.
Garner was the obvious sub but he brought on Doucoure, who has been woeful. McNeil was shot and he put him on the wing, Lindstrom remained on the bench. DCL holds the ball up, Beto doesn't, so the ball kept coming back.
If we had an owner, Dyche would have been sacked last season.
What a mess. Again.
John Davies
19 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:13:11
Paul Ferry #13. Brutal post. 100% on the money.

No more to be said. Saved me 15 minutes of typing my disdain towards our arrogant, fraud of a manager.

Tom Bowers
20 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:14:43
Defensively they have been a mess all season. This game just took a little longer for the wheels to come off.

They have been a shambles defensively for a few seasons now and nervous as hell even when they get 10 men behind the ball.

Obviously the manager and the captain must take most of the blame as they cannot instill the confidence or exercise a plan needed to see out a game properly.

This is becoming a dire situation fast !

Paul Ferry
21 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:20:41
Denver Daniels 15: "You can't blame Dyche's subs for that. That was squarely on the players. [and etc.]".

One of the comforting things about this piece of absurd commentary is that it joins the tiny minority of posts after the match that in effect wipe Dyche clean (yuck) and give him oxygen for his post-match presser.

What on earth are you "smelling" DD? I couldn't be arsed hauling myself again through the lengthy rigmarole of why Dyche is so obviously to blame, but just look and "smell" around you DD.

John Davies
22 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:31:28
Paul #21. Nailed it again fella.
Ian Pilkington
23 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:50:27
At 2-0 Bournemouth should have been heading for a heavy defeat but their manager didn't give up and brought on five subs.

It was a high intensity match on a warm afternoon but Dyche, when it finally occurred to him that the team were tiring, subbed two of his best player for the worst possible two on the bench.

He has completely lost it with the match going fans and probably the players. I have never been so angry so often with any previous manager in the last 63 years as I sit there match after match and watch his incomprehensible game management.

Jay Harris
24 Posted 31/08/2024 at 23:54:40
No matter what others say I believe the idiotic substitutions were to blame.

DCL and Ndiaye were keeping them occupied at the back and they were having to put two players on Ndiaye to cover him.
Tim was looking a bit tired so sub him for Garner and give O'Brien a run out. I'm sure he would have dealt better with those crosses than Keane and Tarks.
I don't know what this smelling comment is about except for the dhit that was served up for the last 10 minutes.
Once he has lost the fans he will have to go.

Si Cooper
25 Posted 31/08/2024 at 00:05:17
“With ten minutes to go, and a 2-0 lead he took off our number ten to replace him with a more industrious midfielder - high energy for the last ten minutes makes sense to me.”

Andrew, which player is it that you think Doucoure came on for?

It was Ndiaye.

Supplementary question; have you ever seen Ndiaye play?

The guy was fantastic today (hopefully just an example of his normal performance level). Iroegbunam lead the way and DCL had all his athleticism on display but Ndiaye had to be our Man of the Match. All action, high energy, fiercely competitive, back winning tackles in our own box, quick feet, tricky, always positive, bouncing out of attempted tackles or back up off the ground if knocked over. Okay, he's unlikely to be the target for lofted crosses into the box, he's probably not ‘bullying' the opposition and he'll run into the occasional blind alley.

Doucoure was never going to affect the game in the same way, although his energy might have done a job in defensive midfield because fatigue was definitely a big factor for the way everything turned to gold for them in the last 10 minutes. The analysis on MOTD clearly shows Gana and Iroegbunam were, due to being shattered, caught out in the build up to their goals.

I think Mykolenko was in some ways a victim of Ndiaye's success. McNeil was the option to play on the left when Ndiaye went off and this left Mykolenko much more likely to end up awol by getting carried away in chasing the ball. Up to the last 10 minutes Ndiaye or one of the defensive midfielders always seemed to be on hand to help mop up any loose balls in that area.

Seamus was acutely aware he could be skinned by his winger so was generally avoiding getting so close he might leave space behind. This meant he wasn't able to stop crosses coming in. Whether young Dixon would have been able to stay disciplined enough not to end up too far upfield is open to question, but I believe he could have closed down the winger much more without worrying about the winger simply doing a knock and run to get in behind him.

Danny Baily
26 Posted 01/09/2024 at 00:12:00
Still haven't come to terms with that horror show today.

A defeat would have been bad enough.

To capitulate like we did? Some of the established players should be taking a hard look in the mirror. A League 2 side could have held that lead with ease. It's hard not to think it was deliberate in some way.

Soren Moyer
27 Posted 01/09/2024 at 00:13:53
Oliver, 11,

THAT was exactly what I was thinking about.

New season, same bullshit!

And how losing games cannot be down to the manager but winning games is!!!?

Paul Ferry
28 Posted 01/09/2024 at 00:19:11
Andrew Brookfield 9: Doucoure is not "high energy" or "more industrious" Andrew and he was not a midfield replacement. Gana did not need to go off but Tim did.

The correct sub should have been Garner for Tim who made two unprecedented awful errors after the first sub. Also, Bournemouth had their first shot on target after Dyche's mind-boggling substitution. So, yes Andrew, that sub made a difference for the worse as others can do for the better.

Dixon should have come on for Coleman (or even Young) and Mylo was literally running out of oxygen Andrew, but Dyche in his infinite wisdom (he even said in his presser that some players were "fatigue[d]") did absolutely nothing.

Dyche's substitutions and lack off - Jesus, any fool could see that it was at the back and midfield where changes needed to be made - cost us this game but in his presser the arrogant self-serving xxxxxxx (fill in as appropriate) did not accept one iota of responsibility.

Posts like yours are oxygen to him Andrew, and there are others to be fair.

John Graham
29 Posted 01/09/2024 at 00:21:07
Take the blame.
You pick the team,
You decide the tactics,
You picked the substitutes,
If players aren't doing their jobs take them off,
If players are fatigued take them off.
Don't try to see out a game which we are coasting by setting up to defend for the final minutes.
Plonker.
Simon Harrison
30 Posted 01/09/2024 at 00:33:19
Paul Ferry,

Keep them coming, you are banging nails in left, right, and centre.

I've not read a bad or misguided post from you this late afternoon/evening.

Good to see someone being objective.

I'd say that today's defeat was on 65% Dyche, 15% Players and 20% on Iraloa. Yes, Iraola!

He brought on five subs all within 11-12 mins of each other and gave fresh impetus to his team. AND with time to actually affect the outcome of the play and game; unlike...

Dyche failed to counteract correctly, and failed to resolve his teams fatigue issue.

The players wilted due to the unexpected pressure of conceding when dominating the game, and by the 88th minute three of the back four were proper pooped, SC, JT and Myko, and MK was just pooped.

Four of the midfield were pooped, JH, TI(m), GG, and DMcN.

Only Beto, Doucoure were fresh!?

In that situation cover your bases, and shut up shop at 2-1, Beto as the outlet and everyone else closing players down and doing their job...

In reality, read the match report;

"Bournemouth produced an extraordinary late fightback as they came from two goals down after 86 minutes to beat shell-shocked Everton in the Premier League at Goodison Park.

Everton had deservedly looked on course to register their first win of the season and a first in August for three years.

However, they self-destructed spectacularly as the Cherries scored three times in nine chaotic minutes to spark joyous scenes among visiting players and supporters.

Antoine Semenyo's tap-in from Dango Ouattara's left-wing cross to make it 2-1 looked little more than a consolation for the visitors, who trailed to second-half goals from Michael Keane and Dominic Calvert-Lewin.

Instead it signalled a complete capitulation from the hosts, who were suddenly left holding on for a point when Luis Sinisterra crossed for Cherries captain Lewis Cook to level two minutes into added time.

But the Toffees crumbled to their third consecutive defeat when another delivery, this time from Justin Kluivert on the left, was nodded in by Sinisterra four minutes later to give Bournemouth the sweetest of victories.

The incredible turnaround ensured Everton stay bottom of the table and became the first club in Premier League history to lose a game after having a two-goal advantage in the 87th minute.

Marcus Tavernier's 20-yard effort in the 82nd minute had represented lacklustre Bournemouth's only shot on target until Semenyo's goal that initiated the stunning conclusion.

In fact, with the final whistle looming it had seemed Sean Dyche's only complaint would be that his side's two-goal advantage scarcely did justice to their dominance.

Keane's goal shortly after the break was a worthy reward for their control, with the central defender driving the ball past Bournemouth's on-loan Chelsea goalkeeper Kepa Arrizabalaga from Calvert-Lewin's lay-off.

Returning captain Seamus Coleman should really have doubled the lead instead of blazing a gilt-edged opportunity over from 10 yards before Calvert-Lewin lifted the ball over debutant Kepa to add Everton's second.

At that stage, with summer signing Iliman Ndiaye impressing and the hosts carving out chance after chance, there was a celebratory mood inside Goodison.

However, that atmosphere quickly transformed to one of rancour, with boos ringing round the ground at full-time after another painful defeat.

Outplayed throughout this encounter, Bournemouth boss Andoni Iraola could scarcely believe what he had just witnessed at the final whistle.

However, he will be delighted at the way his team pressed forward late on to expose a vulnerable Everton side, who look like they have forgotten how to win.

Iraola can also be credited for trying to go on the offensive as his side struggled, with the introduction of Ouattara and Sinisterra proving key to the final outcome.

Burkina Faso winger Ouattara's assist allowed Semenyo to give the visitors hope, then the Colombia winger delivered an assist and a goal as the Cherries' breathtaking fightback moved them up to seventh in the table."

Courtesy of the BBC.

Simon Harrison
31 Posted 01/09/2024 at 00:35:23
NB Lyndon, please could you have a think about being able to add a like or dislike button, or some sort of emoji system like TGOT have got for a comment please?

I know you're very busy for a variety of reasons, but I think it would make a great addition to the site.

Cheers, and good wishes,

Simon

Mike Allison
32 Posted 01/09/2024 at 01:58:09
Dyche, this is down to your inability to use substitutions properly. Other teams finish with five fresh hungry players on the pitch; we finish with everybody knackered from running and chasing all day.

Your initial game plan must involve 16 players — that's what the game is now.

Jerome Shields
33 Posted 01/09/2024 at 03:20:49
Dyche made the first substitution in the 83rd minute and, particularly with Doucouré, changed the game. He failed to bolster the defence and played into the hands of Bournemouth's tactical changes in the 77th minute.

It allowed Bournemouth width and space, against a tiring defence, who would have had questions regarding pace anyway.

In his interview after the game, he clearly knew he had fucked up, but chose to blame the players.

Frank Wolfe
34 Posted 01/09/2024 at 04:15:00
No way you blame Dyche or the subs. They were like-for-like subs at a time in the game when you are trying to bring on fresh legs and run the clock down. In any other game, the same subs would be unremarkable.

I think the issue is a lack of options in defensive midfield. Dare I say we are missing Onana! Glad we signed Mangala as we definitely need options other than Gueye.

Paul Ferry
35 Posted 01/09/2024 at 05:16:12
Frank 34, please see 33 and what feels like 99% of the posts in the three match threads.

I don't think that I've ever seen a more shithouse pass-the-buck. post-match presser than the one I have witnessed today from cowardly — yes, cowardly — Dyche.

Bob Parrington
36 Posted 01/09/2024 at 05:28:01
Paul @ 13.

I've sensed that Dyche has lost it during the past 4 weeks. The "there is no money" statement set the tone. It's like he is trying to shovel shit uphill and he has little or no energy left. The strain and stress of his position in trying to build a team with a pound in a million-pound business must be taking its toll.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him. Even without this, he was subject to making crappy starting 11 decisions and even crappier substitutions. The Bournemouth game decisions just took the biscuit.

Losing from a 2-goal lead at the 87th minute — completely and utterly inexcusable!!

Kieran Kinsella
37 Posted 01/09/2024 at 05:57:13
Is Dyche some kind of Neanderthal going around sniffing like a dog? What the fuck is he talking about? Could you imagine Pep or even Southgate rambling on like a canine or a caveman?

If what he is saying is that he sensed we have bottlers, we know the biggest one is his boy Keane from Burnley. Only by the grace of God, the other Chuckle Brother, Holgate, found a new home on loan while Godfrey went to Atalanta and is surplus to requirements after a month.

Here is an idea: don't pick perennial bottlers. Another idea might be playing newbies who haven't suffered a loss of fitness and form during your full summer boot camp scaling sandhills.

Other ideas might include telling Kevin for the fifth year running, our full-backs are not fit for purpose. Then there's the Eureka moment that old men like Coleman, Young and Gueye can't run for 90 minutes.

You get the idea, Sean… unless of course you're too busy like a distracted dog sniffing the smell of someone else urinating all over your patch yet again before “taking responsibility” whilst absolving yourself of all blame.

Blimey! Ithought Big Dunc was a dense loudmouth cheerleader but at least he was on a meagre wage. This numpty is earning millions to point the finger and get on all fours sniffing around the shite. How far have we fallen?

Paul Ferry
38 Posted 01/09/2024 at 07:00:40
Did you note how long it took Dyche to appear at the presser once the camera started rolling?

A full 5 minutes 48 seconds. That never happens.

Colin Glassar
39 Posted 01/09/2024 at 07:12:05
Has Dyche revealed some weird smell fetish?

He has been talking of smells quite a lot recently..

Alan J Thompson
40 Posted 01/09/2024 at 07:27:08
Now come on, you lot, give the man a break as he's sensed it, then he's smelled it.

He's the only one who doesn't know he's shit it, and didn't know he'd put his foot in it until he was on his way to be asked about it.

So what would be more natural than blaming somebody else for it???

Derek Knox
41 Posted 01/09/2024 at 07:29:42
Colin @39, I think that emanates from his pants, but he would never admit to that, someone else planted it there?

While he was attending a Stones, Paper, Scissors forum, on the sidelines, with his sidekicks. "Can't we play Snakes and Ladders instead (?) Boss, we are good at that. Especially the Snakes, those bloody Ladders have no rungs in them anyway."

"Look, I'm the Boss here," bellows Dyche, "it may take to nearly the end of the game to make a decision on which game to play. Remember this, though, if it all goes Snakes up, it was the players' and the fans' fault — not mine!"

Frank Fearns
42 Posted 01/09/2024 at 07:35:02
"It's not Everton. It just isn't. We're better than this. He is not us. He is certainly not Everton" — Paul Ferry @13

The above sums up beautifully what every Evertonian thinks. Therein lies the difference. We support Everton through thick and thin but Sean Dyche and his cohorts are doing a 'job' — and in everyone's opinion, dismally. But he thinks "I've given my staff instructions and they've failed miserably to carry them out." Seems he has been given the gift of smelling the failure!?

He can walk away tomorrow and into another job and it won't make a jot of difference to him, such is his ego.

In the meantime, we supporters are left with a shambles of a club with no leadership. "It's not Everton…"

Paul Tran
43 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:01:15
It's obvious what Dyche means by 'smelling it'. The reactions on the Live Forum told me that, as people were queuing up to predict Bournemouth's second and third.

I don't know anything about Dyche's politics, unlike Brexit Sam, and I'm not sure his bald head is relevant either.

The main issues here were him taking off a creative player who didn't look tired to me, bringing off our one outlet who can be an effective out ball who didn't look tired to me, leaving on at least three players who looked clearly tired, and bringing on one lumbering 'nuisance' sub, instead of someone who can keep the ball (Garner) and someone who can defend with presence (O'Brien).

Dyche clearly thought we were home and hosed, trusting the players to manage the game. On this score, he has my sympathy.

If I was running the club, I'd be speaking with the likes of Coleman and Tarkowski, getting their thoughts on why the defence is leaking like a sieve, why the concentration levels are so poor, whether the training methods are leaving players leggy, like they often did early season under Moyes. I'd want their thoughts on Dyche, the morale of the squad, and honest opinions on whether the players actually believe in what he's doing.

Dyche got a lot wrong yesterday and is, in my view, getting a lot wrong at the moment. The players aren't helping him, which is leading me to wonder if something has happened behind the scenes, beyond the ownership issue…

It doesn't smell right, does it?

Pete Neilson
44 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:18:24
Dyche's smelling sense was already well developed at Burnley.

2018: “I could smell it in the dressing room," said Dyche. "I thought this feels different, this is a different thing.”

2019: “When it goes, you can smell it coming back again, it's a strange thing.”

Maybe he makes his subs using his nose rather than his eyes? Odd.

Paul Ferry
45 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:21:26
How can the players help him, PT, when he accepts no fucking responsibility and no willingness to learn from others — unless I'm mistaken?

And it's not obvious what he means by "smell", just like "grass", "noise", and "feel" etc — because he does not use his, erm, vocabulary consistently. I can be more research-minded if you like. It's my job.

The main issue was Dyche not accepting the smallest iota of responsibility. I get the senior players thing, but all compasses seem to point towards this "no one can teach me anything" deluded fool not giving a blind bit of notice. His presser is all the insight that we need.

I cannot imagine Dyche respecting a sit-down with the seniors unless he has heard that his job is in jeopardy. He knows best, remember.

So, your middle ground where heads get together is respected, PT, but I'm not sure that it exists. Do you ever seriously think that Dyche's position at Burnley was in any way challenged until the last horrible months?

Dyche floats in his mind, he is always right — again, today's presser. And lighten up, PT, the 'baldy' stuff is a probably pathetic attempt to soften the pain. We need something and, by Sheedy, this inept hard-boiled egg gives us generous latitude to have a pop.

Hope you're well, mate, as you seem to be, and the love of your life.

Dave Cashen
46 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:22:37
Great post, Paul Tran.

Cool, calm and analytical.

Ernie Baywood
47 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:23:30
I've said it from the start. He's not a good coach and he's a very weird bloke.

Not a pragmatist, not a miracle worker, not someone who 'says it like it is'. Just a certified oddball.

Steve Dowdeswell
48 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:31:46
Can't blame Dyche for his mismanagement of the last 10 minutes of normal time? Can't blame Dyche for his misuse of subs once again? Absolutely you can.

He alone made the decision to bring on the subs he made and subsequently took all the steam and possession from the team. Taking Ndiaye off was a mistake that freed up two Bournemouth players because Doucouré simply isn't performing.

It was clear that Coleman needed to be changed for a fresh pair of legs and we also needed someone such as Garner to come on and hold on to the ball for either Gueye or Iroegbunam.

Every team yesterday made 4+ substitutions other than Arsenal who made 3 subs and us with 2.

Surely the dinosaur needs to be told to sort his game plan and game management out — only thing is, by whom? — as the owner isn't interested.

Paul Ferry
49 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:37:18
PT, I'm really struggling to reconcile your longish third paragraph with your shortish fourth. They seem at odds with each other mate.

Steve @48 makes perfect sense to me, There is no middle ground at the moment, apparently, PT, or no seeming acceptance of it by Dyche at any rate. It's all Dyche or nothing because, as he keeps reminding us from one presser to another, in an unbelievable act of self-absolution, he shoulders none of the blame.

Jeez, look at the time, and the empty wine… I'm off to bed.

Joe McMahon
50 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:39:56
Frank Fearns, unfortunately this very much is Everton. A club can only be run shambolically for so long (in Everton's case… decades) without it crumbling to the ground. Success in the '60s and '80s is an age away, and does not give us any divine right over other well-run, professionally run clubs.

Stagnation ironically with the greatest Evertonian to walk the land. He set the standard so low, living in a bygone age and fooling and conning many along the way; the damage has already been done. Forget Liverpool et al — would Spurs, Villa, Brighton and even Brentford have Sean Dyche as manager?

Horrbile goal difference already, it's embarrassing and it hurts. Everton bring no joy to anyone outside the club, and awful football does not belong in the Premier League… and in a few months, we won't be.

Paul Tran
51 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:46:18
Paul F, cheers. I'm very well (one of my horses won yesterday!) and my wife is very well, considering.

The back four let us all down yesterday. Tactics don't make defenders switch off.

The impression I got at Burnley was that Dyche had been there too long and the new owners wanted something different. 'Middle ground' or not, I suspect these conversations happen at any well-run club. They'll definitely happen if we ever get sold.

Back to now, Dyche looked at the end of his tether in that presser. It would have been good if some of us on here could be there to ask him questions — I've got a few that would go deeper than the journos.

Keep an eye on the press. It won't be long till he's described as the 'beleaguered Sean Dyche'. That's when you know a manager's in trouble.

Dyche has done wonders since he's been here. But he now has more, better options and is not using them or is misusing them. What he does next is far more important than anything he says.

Paul Ferry
52 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:46:53
Cheers PT, a great post, We all want the same thing and I wish that the fluidity and creativity of ideas on here is replicated in the club's highest echelons.

We just want our Everton back — I keep thinking of Dave Thomas's rolled down socks and Lee and the other two crunched up in that tiny dug-out.

Bed, finally, after a wine-soaked night and good morning to you and yours, PT, and I'm guessing smoked salmon or kippers soaked in butter for brekkie.

God help us, one and all.

Paul Tran
53 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:54:17
No contradiction from me, Paul. Dyche saw what he wanted to see and missed what the rest of us could see. His map of the world said we were fine and he could 'rest' Ndaiye and Calvert-Lewin. Reality said that other players were tired and needed replacing.

The problem Dyche had yesterday, or has generally, is that he focuses on certain things at the expense of missing other, glaringly obvious things. And that misplaced focus will cost him his job here.

Dave Cashen
54 Posted 01/09/2024 at 08:55:37
Paul Ferry.

I always like the passion and humour you bring to these pages, but I'm with Mr Tran on this.

While you are posting with your heart and your anger, he has taken the time to step back a bit and is posting with his head.

No manager worth his salt would dream of picking up the poison chalice if Dyche is booted out. We'll just get all desperate again.

I can just see it now. Leighton.... Leighton??? Leighton!!!

Paul Tran
55 Posted 01/09/2024 at 09:01:29
Cheers, Dave. I don't drink alcohol anymore.

It is helping me in lots of ways and is really helping me regarding Everton!

Pat Kelly
58 Posted 01/09/2024 at 09:09:00
Until we get the Three Stooges out of the dugout and some modern, progressive coaching and management, we will continue to see brain-dead football.

Curly, Larry & Moe have to go. But we're stuck with them till the club is sold. Just write off another season already. It'll be a lot easier to accept.

Mark Ryan
59 Posted 01/09/2024 at 10:16:42
A 9-point deduction handed to us by Dyche and not by the Premier League. Will he go for a full 12 after the International break. Will he smell it coming?

His football stinks. There is an olfactory analogy for you, Sean. It is you that serves up the smelly stuff. About time we got out the Shake n Vac. Other carpet powders are not available.

Mr Chong, tell Dyche that we don't like the smell and we are getting a new broom to sweep clean. If he asks, “Why all the cleaning references?" Just tell him “We don't know — you fucking started it!"

Ernie Baywood
60 Posted 01/09/2024 at 10:54:11
Dave 54 - there probably isn't a big name manager, but there must be plenty out there who look at this team and think 'I can achieve something relative to the expectations'.

Our expectations are pretty low anyway... but Dyche has done a job on the club in convincing people that this team isn't equipped to compete each week, and that we should be appreciative of the 'miracles' that he's working.

The job pays pretty well too. Presumably it's one of the top paying jobs in football management.

Peter Mills
61 Posted 01/09/2024 at 10:57:14
Given the poor results of Sean Dyche's teams during the month of August, and how tired half our team looked with 10 minutes plus added time to play, perhaps he should reconsider his pre-season training regime?

I'm not certain, but I suspect not many elite football clubs have a “Gaffer's Day”.

Incidentally, in the 87th minute yesterday Bournemouth were 1000/1 to win. I didn't expect it to happen, but I suspect a pretty high percentage of the crowd would have stuck £1 on it, had they known the odds.

Mark Ryan
62 Posted 01/09/2024 at 11:01:43
Apparently, we haven't won a Premier League game in the month of August since 2021!

Is that fucking right?

Derek Powell
63 Posted 01/09/2024 at 11:10:35
Please, someone tell me he's been sacked…
Geoff Lambert
64 Posted 01/09/2024 at 11:16:59
We need a steady ship; we need and stop sacking managers every 12 months. But let's start after we sack this dinosaur.

Who is in charge? Who can make the decision to remove him from our club?

He has lost the majority of fans and soon the players as well. Can things get any worse??

Dean Williams
65 Posted 01/09/2024 at 11:52:18
I'd like to see Graham Potter at the helm.

I think he could work wonders with these players.

Stu Gre
67 Posted 01/09/2024 at 12:13:19
Nigel #12,

"Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, last couple of games he's been chastised for not subbing"

You are missing the point. He should sub the old crap for something new. He always does the opposite of what he should. He's simply so far out of his depth someone needs to call the coastguard.

Paul #13,

"It's not Everton. It just isn't. We are better than this. He is not us. He is most certainly not Everton."

Spot on.

John Daley
68 Posted 01/09/2024 at 12:15:53
Incapable of making changes from a losing position to get us back into a game and incapable of changing things from a winning position to see a game out.

Great.

If he could ‘smell' things were going wrong and about to get even worse for his side before things went totally to shit, then why not try something to negate or break up the oppositions swiftly gathering momentum? Something other than making like-for-like changes or simply ‘shouting' from the sidelines like an old school PE teacher in a scruffy Bovril-stained trackie, or Alan Partidge desperately hollering for “DAN!”?

He still had subs he could bring on, whether to replace players who had looked out on their feet for a fair while (against a freshened up opposition who had subbed on five), or even simply to eat up precious time/slow things down while his reeling group were on the ropes?

If they were suddenly getting down the line and we were looking susceptible to crosses swung into the box and he could indeed ‘smell it', then why not do something about it, like chuck on the giant central defender we've just spent £17m on to help deal with said danger?

Robert Duvall could smell napalm in the morning. All Sean Dyche could smell yesterday afternoon was his own sweaty palm being rubbed repeatedly over his shell-shocked face.

The man may make out he's 'all about winning', whether that's by attrition, attitude or endeavour, but he's far too fucking used to losing and being accepting of it for my liking.

5 out of the last 24 Premier League games he's won, yet he constantly makes out like every defeat is merely a momentary blip during the otherwise bang-up job he's doing.

What's worse is that far too many fans are all too ready to back up his verdict. Everton getting tonked under Dyche isn't the aberration, it's the lay of the land and a streaky month or so of decent results like he's managed previously during his reign is nothing more than a mirage that the man might be getting to grips with the massive job in front of him.

Mark Taylor
69 Posted 01/09/2024 at 12:27:50
The level of collapse was almost literally unbelievable. Bear in mind it wasn't just the 3 goals, they had a few other clear chances in that crazy 8 minute period. Exhaustion was in my view the main factor. Tim, great though he is, simply won't last 90 minutes and was running on fumes. Neither will Gana, at least not with the style Dyche plays.

True we are light on the bench, but Garner for Tim, Armstrong or Duke for Gana (not to replace Ndiaye) and possible Dixon or even Young for Seamus would have given us the legs to keep up. Fresh legs was what was needed above anything.

I don't know if our players just aren't fit enough or Dyche's game plan asks more of them than they can deliver, but every team we now play, even the other relegation fodder, will be salivating when the game goes into the last 5-10 minutes. There is almost no position we cannot lose from.

Habib Erkan Jr
70 Posted 01/09/2024 at 12:41:59
In an unprecedented move, Abdoulaye Doucouré was named the Cherries MotM
Michael Boardman
71 Posted 01/09/2024 at 12:50:39
Smell, on the grass, not PL-ready,

Just a description of our manager.

But seriously, to think it's everyone else's fault?

It's been said enough, but this eggcup has to go tomorrow, or what are we paying Chong for (may as well sack him). Bring in the Sheff Wed manager, the Derby manager, or even the Wrexham manager, I don't care.

Textor, get it sorted

Colin Callaghan
72 Posted 01/09/2024 at 12:51:57
We never thought we'd challenge for Europe and safety was the only goal. We lost 2 games to CL contenders and threw one away because we haven't been that comfortable in years. Everyone will learn from this. 10-15 here we come.

Andrew Keatley
73 Posted 01/09/2024 at 13:17:13
In-game management is all about being able to notice patterns developing and make changes quickly and clearly - and communicate those changes to the players effectively.

Ireola did this - and managed to turn a defeat into a win.

Dyche failed to do this - and managed to turn a win into a defeat.

I'd have more sympathy with Dyche if he hadn't mentioned that he "smelled it". He is basically admitting that he noticed the way the game was shifting - but when it came to taking control of the situation and making changes he failed to do anything. Maybe he couldn't work out which changes to make - or he was just paralysed by fear of getting it wrong; either is equally terrible. It is the same failing we saw over and again with Gareth Southgate and England.

Even if Dyche accepts culpability for this defeat I am not confident that the same thing will not happen in the future - and for that reason I think he'll have irrevocably lost a lot of the fanbase on this defeat.

And for what it's worth I don't think any significant scorn should be aimed at our back four for this defeat - it was untracked runners from midfield that proved to be our downfall. The back four needed protection in those last ten minutes and they got very little.

Liam Mogan
74 Posted 01/09/2024 at 13:20:13
Both Dyche and the players on the pitch after 86 minutes are to blame. No one should escape criticism.

The 2 centre midfielders were wiped out after about 70 mins. Anyone could see it. Ndiyae and DCL didn't need to come off. How the manager and coaching team couldn't see it is beyond belief.

Still, there should have been enough on that pitch to stop 3 carbon copy goals in 8 mins. Players running around like young kids, leaving massive gaps, not closing down. Worst of all absolutely panicking.

The atmosphere in the stands at 2-2 was amongst the most poisoninous I have ever witnessed. There were lads by me standing on their seats foaming at the mouth, screaming inventive, completely gone. Fans arguing with each other. I understand why, but it's horrible to witness.

You saw it on here afterwards. Fans attacking each other, saying they are part of the problem, closet reds, club moles etc. It actually kind of breaks my heart tbh.

All in all, we are in a mess and it feels broken right now

Neil Lawson
75 Posted 01/09/2024 at 13:30:18
The real smell is that of Dino Dyche and his rotten management.
Past his use by date and should be consigned to the bin.
Christy Ring
76 Posted 01/09/2024 at 13:40:13
Frank#34 How were they 'like for like subs', Beto doesn't hold the ball up like Calvert-Lewin, and he changed the formation for Doucoure, putting McNeill on the wing. Coleman and Tim were totally knackered, Garner would have shored up the midfield, and Dixon was the obvious choice for Coleman, and O'Brien 6'6 should have replaced Keane, even put Lindstrom on for Harrison with his pace? The smell of fear was from Dyche.
Mick O'Malley
77 Posted 01/09/2024 at 13:59:45
John Daley @68 absolutely spot on. Dyche is like an abusive partner who has convinced his other half that he is the best they can get, constantly beating us down with his negativety, he's making some of our fans believe we are lucky to have him and that avoiding relegation is all we can accept. We haven't won an away game since December and we've won 5 at home since around Xmas time, I honestly refuse to believe we couldn't attract a better manager than this dreary gobshite, I honestly can't wait til he is gone
Tommy Hughes
78 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:07:16
I'm sick of this now can't belive this absolute shit this squad is far better than the shit we are seeing fucking embarrassing absolute laughing stock he has to go right now get out! Not got a clue fucking garbage excuses week In and out ! And moshiri hate both ruined one of the great clubs of English football can't even enjoy football no more fuming Dyche out right now this season his head has feel off !! Talks complete BS God sake I was giving him credit the end of the season but this unbelievable he ant good enough for our club.
John Charles
79 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:29:41
It looks to me we have the makings of a half decent side on the evidence of 80 minutes yesterday. If that is down to Dyche then well done. However with a half decent manager we would have won that game. He is paid to smell trouble and do something about it not just stand there waving his arms like a mad man then telling everyone he tried his best to do something.
Kunal Desai
80 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:32:24
I'm clinging on to the hope that we will turn things around and start picking up some points after the next international break based on the fact last season we picked up one point from the first five games and lost three on the bounce at home.

Dyche better be smelling some victories, patience is wearing very very thin with this man.

Two weeks to sort this out and sort your head out and whatever your smelling.

Nigel Scowen
81 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:38:30
I'm actually with Paul Ferry on this. I have also now stepped over the line with this Manager. His Game Management yesterday was appalling, his press conference was sickening. It is his lack of personal responsibility and humility that really grates with me. It's not Everton as Paul rightly states.

I don't deny he did well over the last couple of seasons but no Manager of Everton Football Club has any right to keep their job based on past ‘glories'.

Dyche should go and assuming that we are able to get rid of him, who does everybody think we should replace him with?

Personally, I don't remember having sleepless nights with David Moyes at the helm. In fact, European nights such as Metalist Kharkiv away and Nuremburg away will always be remembered fondly, or should we go for a younger and hungry to succeed Manager from the Championship.

James Hughes
82 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:42:28
So Dyche could 'smell 'it was going wrong and brought Beto on.
A midfield that by all accounts were out of steam. No additional subs to eatup the clock, nothing.

That is terrible game management from a professional of thirty plus years in football..

Trouble is it is no longer a shock that the club are able to fuck up so easily

Dale Self
83 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:46:34
Smell the glove!

He is not a magician.

Christy Ring
84 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:51:13
For anyone to say it wasn't the managers fault, just look at the facts, Seamus played his first game of the season on Tuesday night, he was never going to last 90min's, and he was clearly struggling, and Tim in the first two games, tires after the 70 min mark, the same again yesterday, how Dyche didn't see that is baffling, and to take off our best attacking player's, gave B'mouth the impetus to attack, because Beto cannot hold the ball up like Calvert-Lewin, and Docoure has no first touch, definetly DYCHE'S fault.
Michael Boardman
85 Posted 01/09/2024 at 14:56:02
Dale, even Nigel from Spinal Tap could smell the glove and have made better subs than eggcup

p.s. - it's all on the manager, as he picks the team as they are PL ready, including a 52 year old to play the whole match, as he played PL before

Nigel Scowen
86 Posted 01/09/2024 at 15:25:25
Dale ‘he's not a magician' Hahahaha!

So leaving two 35+ years on the pitch after Dyche smelt the fatigue was a sensible option was it?

I know it's easy with hindsight but come on!!!! Iliman and Dom were having fun against their defence, neither looked tired.

Garner and Dixon for Gana and Seamus and we would have been celebrating 3 points now.

In fact, if he had done nothing at all, we would have been celebrating 3 points.

Jim Bennings
87 Posted 01/09/2024 at 16:32:00
The only thing I could smell was the same old shit that I've seen dealt at Goodison Park this past 3 years.

No mark teams coming here and walking home with three points, even Luton friggin Town won twice at Goodison last season and they really are a stinking pile of shite.

One time these types of teams were swatted aside with minimal fuss even in the Moyes era when goals were hard to come by at times.

This is nothing new at Everton now, we are piss poor at home and have been for too long.

I still can't forget that we actually went from December to early April without winning a football match last season either, another stain on the club's recent history.

That game yesterday proved that these players under the right guidance actually should be doing better, capable of playing some decent football there.

But this is not the manager to do it.

John Daley
88 Posted 01/09/2024 at 18:49:35
Dyche on Ndiaye:

“He was fatigued. He had run hard by then. Premier League fitness, as you know... he is a very fit boy but I thought he was fatiguing at that stage. It's one of those things. It was definitely fatigue.”

He looked one of the fitter players still out there, didn't he?

Others around him were dead on their feet and Dyche decided a player still full of running was “defo fatigued…fucked him…basically crawling along the ground gasping for air like Sean Connery after he was gunned down by that squinty-eyed albino scrote in ‘The Untouchables'. Cracking film that, ‘The Untouchables'. Not as good as ‘The one where Clint Eastwood's monkey twats fat bikers'. That's the best. Greatest movie ever made.

Me, Stonesy and some of the lads sat and watched it last night, with a nice bit of Spam. No bread. Just Spam. Ndiaye was gonna nip down the shop for us but I said “No, no, Ndiaye…err…y, you're knackered son. Take a seat and watch this big monkey knock out some fat Hells Angels and make fart noises with his mouth. Funny as fuck. Woany! Shift over and let Ndiayeey sit down. Been on his bloody feet all day etc etc”.

What game was he actually watching?

Stu Gre
89 Posted 01/09/2024 at 18:55:14
I'm really struggling with the fact that any Everton fan would still be supporting a manager that admits he could smell it going wrong and still messed it up. Like
Minority Report, but Tom Cruise just went "ah well" allowed people to die.

This fan base has hounded better managers out for less

Andy Crooks
90 Posted 01/09/2024 at 18:55:20
Brilliant, John.
Billy Shears
92 Posted 01/09/2024 at 20:15:59
We all know,it's the Ginger one's team selection that will determine the outcome of the Villa match after the international break.

I personally don't want any of the auld arses to start,I honestly believe we have the makings of a good team,a younger side that can fight, battle and entertain too and compete with the very best of them in the future,but it won't be Dyche at the helm for certain!!

Mike Corcoran
93 Posted 01/09/2024 at 20:25:44
Dyche could smell it, cos him and the players on the pitch shat their collective grinders. Hopefully they learn to sub gassed players cos they may have stumbled on a way to attack repeatedly at last.
Paul Ferry
94 Posted 01/09/2024 at 20:27:29
He will set up to defend and protect Billy. I even wonder if Ndiaye will start.

The good news is that Jarrad will be available (I have it from an impeccable source). That is a huge lift for us and it would be nice if Dyche took the time to learn from yesterday and (1) put out a similar line-up and (2) figure out which of his players are actually "fatigued" with his keen and acute nose for smell.

Christine Foster
95 Posted 01/09/2024 at 21:54:18
I think a mould has to be broken. It's cost us millions and left us in trouble with PSR and short of good decision making when needed.
Managers should be employed by the club as employees, not contracted for set times.
In these days of multi million pound pay offs for underperforming it's wrong that every manager and all his backroom staff walk out the door millionaires no matter what.
Scrap managers contracts, hire them as employees, no termination clauses other than what you would find in an employees employment contract. One month plus holiday pay based on set performance objectives. Failure to meet them puts your job at risk.
Like everyone else, don't do your job and you're out the door.
Now I am sure a large chunk of people reading this will just laugh, but it doesn't stop clubs paying managers very well, it means the club isn't handcuffed when it cannot afford to get rid of a serious financial milestone.
It will never work.. well, unless it's tried we will never know.. you can incentivise good performance on the pitch and off it, bring an end to the expectations of huge payoffs..
Jay Harris
96 Posted 01/09/2024 at 22:29:58
Can I suggest we have an opinion poll on whether to sack Duce and who to replace him with.
IMO the players need some inspiration and motivation as I can see another crisis of confidence looming.
Mark McDonald
97 Posted 01/09/2024 at 22:48:47
Agree Jay. I say sack now surely we we have enough money to pay him off.

As for replacement? Really, no idea, who's out there that wants to take the job?

I can think of a few names from our previous frequent search for a new manager.

I want it to be someone youngish, with fresh ideas and adventurous. No more dinos thanks!

Ian Black
98 Posted 01/09/2024 at 23:57:28
I find it worrying with this vague terminology that Dyche is using now about 'smelling it going wrong'. Last season, he was all about the xG, which ironically is the polar opposite, as xG is some sort of statistical fact analysis of games.

The thing they both have in common is that they are not challenged. You never hear anyone saying that we had 1.2 xG and it should have been 1.4 xG. So, whilst this is a statistical analysis, people aren't interested in delving into these numbers, which are often subjective anyway.

What is a clear, unmissable chance? It varies from shot to shot and where one person draws the line and says that was a clear cut chance, then someone else will draw the line differently.

With regards to the smell of things going wrong. That is completely subjective as you can't quantify a smell and is an inference of what he thinks is some sort of reading of what is happening, so is totally open to interpretation. It is a wild, feral statement that suggests he is knowing what is going to go wrong before it actually happens. He smells it, yet is powerless to act upon it?

The most common use of the phrase 'to smell' without actually smelling anything, is to infer a feeling, especially in this context, to smell fear. My opinion is that this is what Dyche is trying to say.

This worries me as it can mean one of two things. He either feels he can smell fear in his team and, if so, then he is in a roundabout way saying the team, his team, are a gang of shithouses. What the players will make of this, if they infer the same thing, is not very positive really.

The other thing it could be is that he 'smells' fear in the crowd. The fear of the crowd imposing itself on the players like some wild, multi-headed beast sapping away the players' energy. Again, if this is what Dyche means, then this is not a positive view to express to the media, if he wants to keep the support onside.

Both of these inferences express contempt of the club and exonerate himself of all responsibility.

Personally, I feel Dyche has banked enough goodwill to continue for a bit longer yet, after overseeing last season's calamitous circumstances, when he was the only person at the club to front up to the press every week, despite the shitshow going on in the background.

This goodwill though is on an increasingly tight leash. If he wants to entwine the Goodison support to the players on the pitch without spurious comments to the media, he needs to own it and hold his hands up when it all goes to shit.

He could have easily said "Yeah, I got my substitutions wrong" or said "I didn't see some of the players were flagging" but he didn't. He did what many people in many corporations do whilst doing their job when things go wrong and took the easy way out, which is 'covering my own arse'.

Covering his own arse through smelling shit may well have papered over some cracks on the day. And let's face it, it was the worst calamity in many Blues' lifetimes, given the time left in the game.

I hope he learns from this and pays more attention to the game, rather than sniffing his fingers.

And to end on a note that Dyche would probably approve, given his predilection to 90s music although he would possibly challenge this it 'Smells like Torn Spirit'.

Ernie Baywood
99 Posted 02/09/2024 at 01:00:54
Ian, he's absolutely covering his own arse. But I don't see how that's any different to how he's always behaved.

This is very standard for Dyche. He's a genius with heightened senses... and anything that goes wrong is outside of his control.

Remember when he came in and said he'd assessed Calvert-Lewin and decided he was actually fitter than Dom himself thought he was. Dom got slated for being mentally weak. Then he played him, and Dom broke down and missed the next few months.

Mr Dyche could have felt a bit silly after that... but his response was to come out and say he'd be looking into Dom's lifestyle right down to the type of bed he sleeps in. Dyche was again the genius, Dom (or possibly his bed manufacturer) was the problem.

He's living in a fantasy land where he is dropping Yoda-like wisdom. He loves telling us about whatever credo he's apparently always had and always told us about... except none of it happened. "I've always said, and I've always told the players"... yada, yada, yada.

If anyone hasn't actually watched his press conference, then they should. The reports and selected quotes don't do it justice. This guy is full of it.

Paul Ferry
100 Posted 02/09/2024 at 05:44:53
Spot on Ernie - 99 - If anyone hasn't actually watched his press conference then they should. The reports and selected quotes don't do it justice. This guy is full of it.

Just weird pace Trump springs to mind with his random words and unconnected gibberish.

He's struggling Ernie, possibly losing it, and his gaslighting the players I can never forgive. That's personal. He's a fucking coward. A fucking big I'm as plain as they come love spam and chips with a naughty fried egg coward. Kettering me.

Yesterday's press conference - never mind the result - was it for me. Gaslighting coward. The staggering refusal to accept some responsibility tells you all you need to know about this audacious basement dealer.

I'll always give him credit when it is due in the weeks and months ahead. But in an ideal world he would be nowhere near The Old Lady and Finch Farm. And I will never say again, as I did all through last season, that he is the right fella at this time for this job.

Derek Powell
103 Posted 02/09/2024 at 12:33:42
I don't think Dyche will change after the international break. My fear is he will revert back to more defensive football.

This season now is about survival and, if we do survive, it will be viewed as a success within his inner circle.

He should have gone Saturday evening.

Mark Wynne
105 Posted 02/09/2024 at 18:57:43
I agree with Paul. I found the fact that he brazenly laid the blame squarely at the feet of the players with absolutely no sense of self-awareness completely unforgivable. I'd like to see him gone as soon as.

I know the ownership questions mean attracting the right manager is difficult, but I'd be happy with a Dave Watson type caretaker appointment. Moyes would bite Moshiri's hand off and want to be handsomely paid, but I think he would be the wrong way to go.

Get someone in for the rest of the season or until Moshiri is bought out that we can get behind, who'll make sure we enjoy ourselves a bit for once.

Paul Ferry
108 Posted 02/09/2024 at 19:37:08
Sadly, Liam M, Rob Halligan told me that he saw Evertonians fighting with each other in the Gwladys Street concourse after the match.

Liam Mogan
109 Posted 02/09/2024 at 19:42:49
Yes, Paul. Saw a few fronting up to each other in the Top Balcony myself. And punches being thrown on County Road.

Nerves were very much on edge. Didn't take much apart from an accidental bump to set things off.

Graham Mockford
110 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:08:19
Not wanting to point out the bleeding obvious but 35 games to go.

No one is happy with the outcome of the first three games but seriously, sack a manager who, 2 weeks ago, most Evertonians were happy with.

[Puts tin hat on…]

Billy Bradshaw
111 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:14:53
Graham @ 110, some might have been happy with him, certainly not most.
Paul Ferry
112 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:20:58
The next two weeks should be better than the last two Graham M.
John Wilson
113 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:34:31
I think Dyche is being treated like it's a witchhunt. He is the way he is.

Those players collapsed and you can't really predict that.

Steve Byles
114 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:37:06
I wonder if part of the problem is trying to play as many ex-Burnley players as possible. Three is too many and they probably infect the team with a losing mentality.

So Dyche could smell trouble coming. What bullshit!! Isn't he supposed the use his eyes, years of coaching experience, and tactical genius?

Thelwell needs to make a decision on Dyche this week: back or sack.

Tony Abrahams
115 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:50:07
I don't necessarily think it's about being happy with the manager but more about recognizing that he has done a good job under very difficult circumstances.

An absent owner, very little money to spend, two points deductions, and a very frustrated fan base who want to see us playing better football, even though he didn't have that many players who possessed any real craft.

A squad which had no real backbone, started fighting, and if the points deduction had happened in either of the previous two seasons, then I'm sure we would have sunk without a fight.

We do look like we have got a few players (albeit mostly on loan) who can help us improve now. I think, under normal circumstances, Dyche might have been given a lot of credit for helping to stabilize the squad considering the shite he inherited, but this hasn't happened because I think a lot of people have had a preconceived idea that the man is a footballing dinosaur.

Colin Callaghan
116 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:54:01
Anyone who wants to fire the manager is insane and didn't go into this season with realistic expectations. Who do you want??

The subs were bad but you're naive and/or soft if you want an apology from the gaffer.

We will still finish 10th to 15th.

Brian Williams
117 Posted 02/09/2024 at 20:55:26
To my simple mind, I think when you see the opposition manager introduce half an outfield team of fresh legs, the most obvious thing to do is introduce fresh legs of your own. Three well-chosen subs made at the right time would have, IMHO, enabled us to see out the game.

I've defended Dyche up to now but how come he couldn't see young Tim was blowing for tugs? Why did he think bringing off the player who constantly had them on the back foot would do the trick?

Yes, the players let themselves, and us, down but Dyche allowed that to happen. I hope he learns from it.

Tony Abrahams
118 Posted 02/09/2024 at 21:00:00
Although being able to bring on five subs is quite a new rule, I think that any manager who doesn't try and implement this into his team is not going to be getting the most out of his squad considering the incredible speed in which the game of football is now played.
Danny O’Neill
119 Posted 02/09/2024 at 21:00:06
He has done, Tony, that's why I won't bash Dyche. Yes, sometimes he gets it wrong, but we all know football.

He's done a very good job in difficult circumstances.

Hopefully with the players we now have, we can play a different style.

Keith Harrison
124 Posted 02/09/2024 at 21:33:21
Sean Dyche is from the Stone Age regarding training methods. He doesn't communicate with the youngsters, is very sergeant-majorish round Goodison, and has his real favourites (apparent every week when you see the team).

That's not my opinion, that's from a source. Don't ask.

My opinion is that he is anti-football, has no idea when to change things, and is reactionary, not visionary.

On Saturday, that was the best football for over 30 minutes of the second half that I have seen us play in recent years. It was obvious however that our back 4 were rapidly running out of steam.

God forgive me for saying this, but in the absence of Dixon from the match day squad (why??) he should have brought Garner on for Seamus, Young for Mykolenko, and O'Brien on for Dom. Drop Harrison and McNeil deeper to aid a back five, and we could have seen the game out. O'Brien would have dealt with the crosses coming in. Lindstrøm (instead of Doucoure) for Ndiaye as a straight swop.

He was the right man at the right time during the last 2 seasons, but we should be moving on with the much improved squad we have now.

Time to go, Sergeant Dyche. Graham Potter would do a decent job for me.

Colin Callaghan
128 Posted 02/09/2024 at 21:51:46
Graham Potter left the best run club in the world to go to Chelsea. Why?

General Dyche for me.

Mark Murphy
129 Posted 02/09/2024 at 22:12:47
I don't mean to be pedantic but no, he didn't.

He was at Brighton, not Tottenham, Brentford, Man Utd or Liverpool. They were recently recognised as the top four best run clubs in England.

Brighton have done well recently but they're not that big and will probably forever be a stepping-stone to big jobs, including Chelsea.

Paul Ferry
131 Posted 02/09/2024 at 22:50:44
Man Utd, Mark? Really!

I suppose they must put all their organisational and management genius into the global corporatism side of things.

Don Alexander
132 Posted 02/09/2024 at 23:23:44
Maybe like (or maybe not, if someone of significance has already had a word in his shell-like) everyone else on the planet, our Sean Dyche has zero idea of who will own, guide or support our club for the remainder of the season, and where he ( Dyhce) features in any such projection.

The players, coaches and manager have lucrative contracts and rapacious agents or lawyers so not one of them will go to bed worried tonight. They'll all sleep like a log.

Meanwhile, the bedrock of the club quite rightly criticise, despair and quit what's going on, off and on the pitch, and have done so for decades without any hint of improvement in our club.

For clarity, we fans are the bedrock, and without us the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock is a white elephant.

So, is it feasible for visible demos against Moshiri to take place outside Goodison before every home match, with a one-minute turn-round in the 27th minute by every Evertonian in the ground?

27 February is the date Kenwright got extremely rich by selling us out to him.

Colin Callaghan
133 Posted 02/09/2024 at 00:04:39
Brentford are up there but they aren't Brighton.

Potter went to Chelsea after Abramovich left. Not the best judgement.

Dyche should be given this season and, if we finish where I'm pretty sure we will (10th to 15th), he should be given next season too.

We need stability as a club. We are in a transition period looking for new owners and moving into our new ground.

We've made bad decisions, spent awfully, and got rid of a good young manager (who bought us Richarlison) for a Hollywood babysitter and a red.

There's a giant target on our back because of the situation we put ourselves in. Dyche knew it coming in and didn't run like other managers.

Nick Page
134 Posted 03/09/2024 at 00:13:20
Colin Callaghan; at last, a voice of reason in an empty void.
Mark Murphy
136 Posted 03/09/2024 at 07:14:17
Colin Callaghan
139 Posted 03/09/2024 at 11:38:40
That Fair Game Index is a load of crap, Mark. That is if you actually read the article.

3rd party company trying to get involved. Oh they have an algorithm so it must be legit.

The same Spurs where Harry Kane left? Would you rather have Tony Bloom or Dan Levy?

John Daley
142 Posted 03/09/2024 at 19:26:38
Brick Tamland's big into his OU course these days, I see.
Alexander Murphy
143 Posted 03/09/2024 at 19:29:19
"I could smell it". Could you, Sean? Then why did you tread it all over the Living Room carpet? Or… he who smelled it dealt it!

In truth, our snot-smearing Manager was only yards away from his opposition manager "throwing five pacy subs on".
Was this no form of warning?

Was the superb Iroegbunam dropping off, his earlier excellent pace and work rate? Firefighter Gana "blowing for tugs"? The Grand Seamus Coleman clearly flagging

Why, "Bus Thrower", did you not see any of this? Because what you did, "snot smearer", was to remove our two players that had and were continuing to make life very very difficult for Bournemouth.

Always the victim… but never your fault. J'Accuse!

Andy Crooks
146 Posted 03/09/2024 at 19:52:16
My God, this thread contains the most toe curling post I have read on 25 years on this site.

I've written a few but a new bar has been set.

Rob Halligan
147 Posted 03/09/2024 at 20:05:41
Where's Paul Hewitt with his two line poststhat are easy to understand, although he does sometimes talk shite, when you need him!
Danny O’Neill
150 Posted 03/09/2024 at 20:40:49
Andy, we've all got two weeks to smoke the pipe of peace and get some unity.

We can look forward to Villa followed by Southampton in a cup match under the lights, and on to Leicester.

Colin Glassar
151 Posted 03/09/2024 at 20:56:17
After a few days reflection, I've come to the conclusion that for 80 minutes we showed ourselves what is possible — if only Dyche learns from this.

We have some really good, talented players (and more to come back) who, given the chance, can really turn this disaster around.

The likes of Branthwaite, Lindstrøm, Mangala, Broja, Garner etc… will add depth and quality to our first team squad. And you never know, even Dele Alli might work out.

So not is all lost, fellow Blues. But it does depend on Dyche to get his act together regarding team selections, youth, substitutions, tactics etc….

Dale Self
152 Posted 03/09/2024 at 21:07:11
Just give him time to develop the defensive coverage when we begin to fade in possession.

We did lose the ability to push forward in the second half and, until we get speed on the wings, we will struggle to recycle possession to kill matches off.

John Graham
153 Posted 04/09/2024 at 11:59:51
I can't see Dyche being in the job too long once the ownership debacle is sorted (if ever).

I think a good option for the job would be Carsley, providing he doesn't get the England job. He's got a good track record for the U21s, likes to play attacking football, and will hopefully have lots of information regarding up-and-coming young players through his job.

John Wilson
154 Posted 04/09/2024 at 12:50:09
If this were not Dyche who managed Bournemouth game, I think there wouldn't be this anti-Dyche narrative.

I am not even an avid supporter of Dyche; for one, I think he canes our players when he is loathe to make substitutes. But -- and a big but -- Dyche managed that game brilliantly up to 85 minutes.

Whether the charge against him is he shouldn't have taken off Ndaiye and or not taken off Calvert-Lewin at the dying moments of the game for Beto, but not necessarily Beto, or the charge is he put other players on, and for that matter ones that Dyche normally uses for first eleven, 'Shocking' applies for example to Doucoure, (and for maybe two goals) Pickford, and Tarkowski. The defence fell apart.

It shouldn't matter how Dyche sets them up; whilst on that pitch, the players know how to play football. So why blame Dyche for everything that went wrong on Saturday at Goodison Park?

Terry McLavey
156 Posted 04/09/2024 at 15:41:48
I wish you could smell the inside of a taxi with Goodison Park in the rear-view mirror!
Frank Sheppard
157 Posted 05/09/2024 at 08:24:52
Some great football, but ultimately a shocking, laughing stock of a result. Confirms we are the biggest joke of the PL. It has to be collective responsibility, for when things go wrong, and when they don't, so well done Dyche and the players for 80 odd minutes, but SHAME on BOTH Dyche and the players for the disgraceful collapse.

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