No Regrets?

However, given a glimpse of potential Champions League qualification, it's also hard not to hope.

But we have had some great results away from home and not leaked a lot of goals. I just wish we could entertain at home and set up to win and not get beat but Davie won't change.

But, if he gets us into Europe, then he's done his job and, as much as I did not want him back, we cannot fault him points wise as already said: the table does not lie. Hopefully we pick up some more points and get 7th.

I’ll complain. Moyes entire managerial career is based upon his inferiority complex which means we are always underdogs expecting to lose consequently we throw cup games and home games versus modest opponents. But since his negativity extends so far there are games he expects to be humiliated in so why not give it a go as we will definitely lose anyway. Some of those games we end up winning as we are not as bad as he thinks. Therefore we are stuck in this rut of pitiful failures and “surprise” wins. Anyone without such mental problems would beat the crap teams and possibly also beat the occasional good team. Moyes doesn’t do the former but does the latter ironically by giving up all hope.

Despite his obvious limitations, Moyes would have a lot more cause for complaint about the transfer business under TFG. His summer signings came late in the window, and despite him having the final approval of transfers, he evidently does not feel that Dibling, Aznou and Rohl are ready for the first team.

We went into the January window knowing the signings of 2 full-backs and a centre-forward might make the difference in getting into Europe, but he got none of the above.

"At Roma, Ranieri moved upstairs, but Gasperini — a hugely experienced coach with a brilliant record at Atalanta — was brought in. And Gasperini, a bit like Moyes at times (albeit, Moyes is more reserved) is not afraid to lash out if needed.

Gasperini has made no secret of his unhappiness over some of Roma's transfer business, and he equally did not shy away from bemoaning the “regrets” the team must have over their missed opportunities this season"

People rarely change, they just get more so. If you move Moyes 'upstairs' in to the DoF role in all but name, you will get cautious policies, he will target his type of players... or, even worse, hire cautious clones of himself as Coach

And if we do get an a Coach with an ounce of dash and elan...I'll not call them a manager on here because all the 'Managing' will be done 'upstairs'...

Anyway; when our Young Lochinvar asks for a specific type of player, there's every likelihood that Scrooge McMoyes will try to get him to choose from a selection of safe one-size-fits-all player options, an assortment of various sized adjustable spanners not the specialist screwdriver he actually wants.

Thanks for a tough job well done and please accept this Lytham St Anne's all-day tram pass dated to start 1 July 2026 as a token of our esteem.

Was this the case with Bill Kenwright? Play the game and get everyone believing I'm doing a fantastic job getting plucky little Everton punching above their weight.

It's worrying because, after we beat Burnley, who let's face it, were very poor last week (I know you can only beat what's in front of you), then listening to Moyes getting interviewed after the game, then to hear him say that he thought the questions about our home results were boring, because he actually thinks we have been playing well at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Some people were that bored that they were leaving the ground at half-time... but the very experienced manager knows better and believes we have actually been playing well at home?

If David is going to be turning into a gamekeeper, then god help the people who are looking for a bit of entertainment, although the people looking for stability will obviously see it differently. I hope he was just being very economical with the real truth!

Roma look like they could get Champions League or Europa League, unless they tail off.

Last year, the deadline for ownership to transfer to a blind trust was 1 March. That date has passed, and I assume didn't happen? Although the board without a Friedkin could have it in place.

It’s the Walker Brothers.

Let him finish his contract as manager then thank him and let that be the end of his time with us.

Give Moyes the DOF job and watch the negativity seep through to all aspects of the club.

Here is the deal. Give him the job with the acceptance we will never be relegated but will also never win a trophy.

But then again, too few to mention.

We are fighting for Europe because of Moyes. Short memories some people.

Last time I looked it had garnered 1250 responses.

50 (fifty) had voted for Option B.

The home form has been very boring indeed.

Brendan, seriously? Only 50 for entertaining football and 1200 for pragmatic?

I find that depressing - how was the question phrased?

If it's "Would you rather win trophies by playing pragmatic football or win nothing by playing entertaining football?", then that would probably explain the answer.

But we are doing neither. And while we may be a way off the former, yet, we are certainly capable, with players like Ndiaye, George, Dibling, Dewsbury-Hall, Alcaraz, Garner, Branthwaite, Aznou and Grealish to come back, of the latter. In my opinion.

Good teams can defend, attack, tough it out, have some X-factor, not get bullied etc etc.

Spurs fascinate me. Bang in trouble, looking at their 4th manager this season, and are shipping goals for fun. Poor keepers, players not doing the basics, big wages, transfer fees and turnover. But individually good players, but in a toxic situation.

We have only conceded 34 league goals which is one less than Chelsea and Villa. City have conceded 27. We have scored 34 goals which is only two more than Burnley and one less than West Ham.

Being a manager means managing the players you HAVE and not playing a system that you think will be entertaining and leaving yourself open to conceding goals. Yes winning 2-3 away to Newcastle is great but how often will we score 3 goals.

Maybe next year if we sign a top quality goal scorer and right & left back then Moyes will change. I'd say teams like West Ham, Spurs and Forest would love to have Moyes to bring them back some stability.

Its not in his make up.

They don’t seem to get as many posts as Toffeeeweb but I would use it now and again, just seems strange that they need a few more posters but rejecting someone who wants to join them.

Just boring….

I’m not arguing about pragmatism versus style, because I think that both of them are very necessary ingredients, but it does surprise me reading that so many people have voted though.

Going gung go at home games now and again would be a start.

"Does it matter how Everton play as long as they win?

No, the result is the be-all and end-all

Yes, KITAN1 is not for me long term"

Obviously the first option got the 1200 votes. Strange result. I was always of the impression that most of those who defend KITAN1 saw it as a short term necessity and more progressive attractive football would follow.

I registered on Evertonia way back without any issues but I think I've only posted once though I do visit from time to time.

There's a "Contact" option on Evertonia and you might be able to raise the problems you're encountering with Lyndon using this but perhaps you've already tried that.

Edit: is the edit function working?

But you won't get an Edith Piaf reference countered with a Walker Brothers mention will ya'?

Vive la TW! UTFT!

1200 to 50

Much as I enjoy the Moyes is shite debate.

That was the point I was making, and I think it's a very valid one, because I very much doubt that 1250 different individuals have taken the time to vote on its poll.

It makes a complete mockery of the voting system. I just wonder if Andy Burnham was allowed to participate!

I read somewhere that there is possibly around 1 million Evertonians around the globe. That could be miles out for all I know, but I think it would be safe to say there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands. I'm also guessing that we have around 60,000 regular match-goers. Whatever the real figures, I think it's safe to say that the match-goers are a tiny minority.

People who live in different parts of the world have a different match experience to the match-goer. They want to be able to hold their heads up in the company of fans from other clubs. They spend about a couple of hours cheering on their heroes and, while a good win can set them up for the week, a defeat can put them on a real downer. That's how they support their club.

The match-goer has a different outlook. His week depends on the result too, but he has to invest far more of his day into his matchday experience... sometimes all of it. He also spends an awful lot more of his hard-earned.

He feels like he should be getting a degree of entertainment for that outlay. That's why you will regularly hear them express their dissatisfaction after one of our all too regular dire performances.

I feel it's an awful lot easier for the armchair fan to shrug his or her shoulders at the spoiling tactics we employ, especially if we get a credible draw, or better yet, an unexpected win.

They don't care as much about how it came about. It cost them nothing. The match only took a couple of hours from their day and they can spend the rest of the week in the knowledge that the league table is looking healthier.

Just a theory based on my observations. No evidence to back it up.

Do votes carry from X etc?

I have the odd look on there now and again, the latest comments don't change for days at times. No way have 1250 voted there.

Use your own judgement: Is the current mood amongst your Blue mates 25/1 in favour of Moyes?

Honestly, Darren, I've found it hard just going to Bramley-Moore Dock for a lot of games, mate. There have been times when I've watched Everton playing away on the television, for a midweek night match and, when the final whistle has gone, my first thought has been "Thank god I haven't got a 3-hour journey to get myself home!"

I'm getting old -- not so much the brain as the body -- and I've stood the test of time during my younger years... but it's not just Everton, it's football in general.

Digital tickets, digital money, and the game getting ruined by digital refereeing. No wonder so much about the beautiful game now seems so robotic.

I packed the aways in years ago, apart from the odd one.
When I think back at the effort we all made to get to matches away, it makes me smile... not a chance of me doing that now mate.

Tbh, I don't feel the same connection to my club as I once did.
Sad but true.

I am sure the fans who go to our away games will disagree about the fans not having the same connection with the club. Also, the fact we take our full away allocation would seem to back that up.

There is a debate going on about the type of football Arsenal are playing but I will guarantee that, if they lift the title, you won't hear Arsenal fans complaining over the style of football.

Football... in fact, any sport, is all about winning, and while I am sure most sports fans would like them to win with a bit of flair in the end, most fans will choose winning over style.

I'm talking personally.

Thirty one years without a trophy and Evertonians, still sell out absolutely everywhere, wherever their team are playing. Absolutely amazing, no thirteen fans to West Ham, from the number one scouse team, I just hope they have a great day today.

Everton,after family,was the be all and end all at one time mate

Beaten into submission, but never quite fully out, even though it's very hard to raise the same type enthusiasm, even on a monthly basis these days.

I live for the day when I get to to see the greatest supporters in the land, watching Everton win a trophy, and singing our song once again.

Thirty one years - say it quickly and it doesn't sound so long, until you repeat yourself and say it slowly, and then the anger rises, especially when I hear or read people saying we haven't got a divine right.

Nobody has got a divine right to win anything but everyone has got a divine right to expect and demand a lot more. Why? Because it's what Evertonians and Everton football club, was built on all those years ago

Me too mate, league cup will do. Singing ay yay yippee, yippie ay.