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Finally, it’s done. This ultimately pointless season is over. It ended in pointless fashion, too. Everton were terrible as they slumped to a defeat in a whimper.
Here’s the final what we learned piece of 2025-26.
NDIAYE CANNOT PLAY CENTRALLY
Iliman Ndiaye has been terrible lately. He was terrible again this time out. But at least, and David Moyes should not get much credit — the Scot did try to mix something up.
In my opinion, Ndiaye shouldn’t have started on Sunday. He should have been benched and Tyrique George should have been given a run.
Moyes elected against it, but did move Ndiaye central, behind an ineffective Thierno Barry.
However, it was a change that did not work. Ndiaye was anonymous, as he has been as of late, but also as he has been previously when deployed there.
Another dismal showing from the man who should be Everton’s star player.
O’BRIEN NEEDS TO STEP UP
Jake O’Brien should not be playing at right-back. He should be played as a centre-back, and there’s no excuse for it.
But there’s also no excusing the basic errors O’Brien continues to make.
He is now well accustomed to playing at right-back and should be able to do the basics. Some of the errors he makes, meanwhile, cannot be simply put down to him playing wide or out of position.
Look at that ludicrous mistake against Sunderland last week. A lazy, reckless and clumsy touch that led to Brian Brobbey equalising.
O’Brien needs to get a run at centre-back, starting in pre-season. He and Jarrad Branthwaite should be the regular pairing next season. But he also must step up.
EVERTON MUST SIGN A GANA REPLACEMENT
Idrissa Gueye did not feature in any of the last four games of the season. Is it any surprise, then, that Everton have finished the season with such a whimper?
Gueye is definitely past his best, but his importance to this team still cannot be underestimated.
Yet he will be 37 not long after next season kicks off, and that is assuming he is even at the club anyway. As it stands, Gueye is going to become a free agent at the end of next month.
But what the last few games have shown is there is a huge void in Everton’s midfield. Even if Gueye were to stay, Everton need a holding midfielder — one to get on the ball, keep the shape and dictate the tempo. But without the Senegal international, the issues are ten-fold.
IT’S TIME TO BE RUTHLESS
Everton aren’t going to improve by valuing “stability”.
If Moyes is to stay, it needs to be made abundantly clear to him that he must fit into TFG’s vision, and not the other way around.
If he wants to stay, he has to change, he has to adapt. If he won’t, he should be shown the door. And that decision should be made quickly.
Everton will finish the season in the same place as last year, and just one point better off. It’s not good enough.
The same logic must also be applied to the squad. The likes of Michael Keane, James Tarkowski, Vitaliy Mykolenko, Tim Iroegbunam, Dwight McNeil, Barry and Beto are simply not the players to take this team forward.
That shouldn’t all be done in one summer, but there must be improvement across the board.
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Billy Shears
2 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:08:14
2 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:08:14
That our team needs gutting and that our owners need to sack our management team as well.
When it really matters, when it really counts, when we need to put in a shift and really need to get a result...
Everton Football Club... Fail, big time!
When it really matters, when it really counts, when we need to put in a shift and really need to get a result...
Everton Football Club... Fail, big time!
Andrew Clare
3 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:09:29
3 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:09:29
That we must change the manager asap and have a full preseason and transfer window with a new manager.
Otherwise, it will be more of the same next season.
Otherwise, it will be more of the same next season.
Tony Hughes
4 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:15:22
4 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:15:22
This is a huge summer for TFG. One which will show thier level of ambition for our club.
We all know what's required, let's see if they do.
We all know what's required, let's see if they do.
Ron Marr
5 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:26:04
5 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:26:04
Moyes needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
Terry Downes
6 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:39:10
6 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:39:10
I've been watching Everton now for 53 years and I've seen some shit, I can tell you... but yesterday was the worst performance by far.
Still trying to get my head around it, there was nothing there... woeful! It was embarrassing being a Blue. How anyone can defend that is beyond me.
Moyes picks the same players all the time... If we had another 3 games to go, he'd still pick that back four and midfield, maybe bring Gana back in, change Barry for Beto for the hundredth time.
I just think, if we're pissed off with it, how do the younger players feel watching it from the bench without being given a proper run? Alcaraz must've done something really bad to get 2 minutes and then 8 minutes in 2 games! Moyes is taking the piss out of him.
Moyes has to go. I was open-minded when he came back but these last 7 games have shown he hasn't changed... never will. Bye-bye.
Still trying to get my head around it, there was nothing there... woeful! It was embarrassing being a Blue. How anyone can defend that is beyond me.
Moyes picks the same players all the time... If we had another 3 games to go, he'd still pick that back four and midfield, maybe bring Gana back in, change Barry for Beto for the hundredth time.
I just think, if we're pissed off with it, how do the younger players feel watching it from the bench without being given a proper run? Alcaraz must've done something really bad to get 2 minutes and then 8 minutes in 2 games! Moyes is taking the piss out of him.
Moyes has to go. I was open-minded when he came back but these last 7 games have shown he hasn't changed... never will. Bye-bye.
Rob Beattie
7 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:54:38
7 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:54:38
Moyes needs to go!
Jim Bennings
8 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:59:22
8 Posted 25/05/2026 at 08:59:22
That we are basically still shite and sentiment runs rife throughout the club over actual hard-nosed business decisions.
That the ghost of Kenwright past is still looming through the corridors and made the move to the Docks.
That we still have a dire recruitment team that annually fail to spot the talent the likes of Bournemouth, Sunderland, Brentford, etc, etc churn out year by year regardless of what manager or players they lose.
That TFG need to pull their finger out their arses!
And that the man on the ground, CEO Angus Kinnear, is a muppet.
That the ghost of Kenwright past is still looming through the corridors and made the move to the Docks.
That we still have a dire recruitment team that annually fail to spot the talent the likes of Bournemouth, Sunderland, Brentford, etc, etc churn out year by year regardless of what manager or players they lose.
That TFG need to pull their finger out their arses!
And that the man on the ground, CEO Angus Kinnear, is a muppet.
Christopher Timmins
9 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:22:45
9 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:22:45
With some very progressive managers with Premier League experience available, we have to act!
I know Silva won't come back when he sees that Keane is still figuring but perhaps the guy from Bournemouth or Palace might travel up the M6?
All the young players who were signed last summer have not worked out, some £80M spent on the young left-back, right-winger and striker.
I know Silva won't come back when he sees that Keane is still figuring but perhaps the guy from Bournemouth or Palace might travel up the M6?
All the young players who were signed last summer have not worked out, some £80M spent on the young left-back, right-winger and striker.
John Collins
10 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:36:48
10 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:36:48
Everyone now knows, at last. The manager is not capable of progressing the club beyond mid-table. The owners will know it through their representatives.
The question is: If they know it and don't remove him, are they happy with mid-table finishing, just ticking along until they sell?
The question is: If they know it and don't remove him, are they happy with mid-table finishing, just ticking along until they sell?
John Collins
11 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:38:45
11 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:38:45
I didn't learn anything from yesterday that I hadn't already known.
Jeff Spiers
12 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:45:52
12 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:45:52
The frightening thing is we could end up with a big drop in season ticket sales.
Moyes out... And a crappier team.
Moyes out... And a crappier team.
Andy Meighan
13 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:50:07
13 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:50:07
Moyes is unwilling to change, and if we were playing this week, he'd pick the same back 4.
Everyone of us knows that Tarkowski and Keane can't play together, and that the mistake-riddled O'Brien isn't a right back... but this stubborn prick of a manager continues to pick them.
I really wouldnt be shocked if he says to his muppet back room staff, "Who are these to tell me who to pick? I'm the manager!!!" I'm actually convinced he can't stand Evertonians because most of us know better than him.
There are two good managers up for grabs but there is not a cat in hell's chance they'll replace him.
What have we done to deserve this pointless football club? I could cry, I really could.
At this moment, I despise Everton FC and all it stands for.
Everyone of us knows that Tarkowski and Keane can't play together, and that the mistake-riddled O'Brien isn't a right back... but this stubborn prick of a manager continues to pick them.
I really wouldnt be shocked if he says to his muppet back room staff, "Who are these to tell me who to pick? I'm the manager!!!" I'm actually convinced he can't stand Evertonians because most of us know better than him.
There are two good managers up for grabs but there is not a cat in hell's chance they'll replace him.
What have we done to deserve this pointless football club? I could cry, I really could.
At this moment, I despise Everton FC and all it stands for.
Mark Tanton
14 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:55:10
14 Posted 25/05/2026 at 09:55:10
Sadly, having watched that, you have to question the professionalism of these lot.
If you were a West Ham fan, you would be doing exactly that this morning.
If you were a West Ham fan, you would be doing exactly that this morning.
John Collins
15 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:02:01
15 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:02:01
Jeff.
We won't mate, and they know it. There is a 5-year waiting list for season tickets.
They can serve us up any shite they want and will still sell every single season ticket available. And, they know it.
We won't mate, and they know it. There is a 5-year waiting list for season tickets.
They can serve us up any shite they want and will still sell every single season ticket available. And, they know it.
Tony Abrahams
16 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:02:57
16 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:02:57
Rumour has it that there is a very big waiting list for season tickets, Jeff, but if you look at things logically, how many people would genuinely want to watch Everton playing every week?
I have in the past been a die-hard myself, and even though I believe that Everton have got as many die-hard fans as any other club in the country (possibly more?), I honestly don't believe that you are going to get nearly 50,000 people, who will be prepared to watch the type of uninspiring, unimaginative football that we have been getting served up on a regular basis if things don't change?
You should have been a bookmaker, John, because you would have won a lot of money with your predictions towards the end of the season, mate.
I could also say I also haven't learned anything new but I definitely expected us to achieve Europe because we had put ourselves in a great position with just a sixth of the season remaining.
In the end, the same thing happened that I have witnessed happening more than enough times during David Moyes's first tenure. The manager kept playing things down...
His players got tired but, instead of changing things around, he kept his square pegs in round holes, and continued to flog the same players
Meanwhile, the people who like David Moyes kept telling us it was because the rest of the squad was full of shite.
I have in the past been a die-hard myself, and even though I believe that Everton have got as many die-hard fans as any other club in the country (possibly more?), I honestly don't believe that you are going to get nearly 50,000 people, who will be prepared to watch the type of uninspiring, unimaginative football that we have been getting served up on a regular basis if things don't change?
You should have been a bookmaker, John, because you would have won a lot of money with your predictions towards the end of the season, mate.
I could also say I also haven't learned anything new but I definitely expected us to achieve Europe because we had put ourselves in a great position with just a sixth of the season remaining.
In the end, the same thing happened that I have witnessed happening more than enough times during David Moyes's first tenure. The manager kept playing things down...
His players got tired but, instead of changing things around, he kept his square pegs in round holes, and continued to flog the same players
Meanwhile, the people who like David Moyes kept telling us it was because the rest of the squad was full of shite.
Brian Harrison
17 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:05:06
17 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:05:06
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from our owners rather than their mouthpiece, Kinnear?
I think they would have to spend weeks at Specsavers before they came up with a vision for this club. They have bought this club purely and simply as a business that can make a healthy profit from non-footballing events.
They have already staged a Rugby League game and soon an England Rugby Union game, and I am sure they will be working on staging concerts next year.
But not once have they visited the ground or had any interaction with the fans, and while 52,000 pile into Hill Dickinson Stadium for every home game, they are quite happy.
I don't think they are that interested in the football side, just staying in the Premier League to keep the peasants happy. Let's face it, they have won nothing for decades, so they won't be expecting much.
I think they would have to spend weeks at Specsavers before they came up with a vision for this club. They have bought this club purely and simply as a business that can make a healthy profit from non-footballing events.
They have already staged a Rugby League game and soon an England Rugby Union game, and I am sure they will be working on staging concerts next year.
But not once have they visited the ground or had any interaction with the fans, and while 52,000 pile into Hill Dickinson Stadium for every home game, they are quite happy.
I don't think they are that interested in the football side, just staying in the Premier League to keep the peasants happy. Let's face it, they have won nothing for decades, so they won't be expecting much.
John Collins
18 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:10:04
18 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:10:04
Tony.
It's not rumour, mate. I went down to renew ours last week, asked the kid behind the counter had many cancelled their season tickets?
"A few, mate, but we've got a 5-year waiting list."
I agree, the amount walk-up fans will be affected if we continue playing the current football, Tony.
I dropped the habit of a lifetime this season, mate: "Never back the team playing Everton." May as well get something out if it!!!
It's not rumour, mate. I went down to renew ours last week, asked the kid behind the counter had many cancelled their season tickets?
"A few, mate, but we've got a 5-year waiting list."
I agree, the amount walk-up fans will be affected if we continue playing the current football, Tony.
I dropped the habit of a lifetime this season, mate: "Never back the team playing Everton." May as well get something out if it!!!
Michael Kenrick
19 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:18:19
19 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:18:19
From the Editor:
It's great to have Rob Halligan posting here again, and he did such a spot-on job, I've converted it to a Fans Comment article with a thread of its own:
European football for Everton was there for the taking
Please read and comment on it there. Thanks.
It's great to have Rob Halligan posting here again, and he did such a spot-on job, I've converted it to a Fans Comment article with a thread of its own:
European football for Everton was there for the taking
Please read and comment on it there. Thanks.
Tony Abrahams
20 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:21:23
20 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:21:23
I agree Brian, because until they do offer us some words of encouragement (personal words) and show us that they are serious people with the ambition to help us succeed professionally, (rather than just being another club, in their portfolio) then how can we have any real confidence in The Silent Friedkin’s?
I know what football, is like, I know it’s full of lip service, and I know there are a lot of people (I think I know, maybe!) without the real genuine knowledge and ability that is needed to succeed, which means that I don’t want to listen to our owners speaking to us often, but surely they should be telling us what they see as their real vision for Everton football club?
If it aligns with what our current CEO, told us last week about being happily dissatisfied, then god fucking help us.
I know what football, is like, I know it’s full of lip service, and I know there are a lot of people (I think I know, maybe!) without the real genuine knowledge and ability that is needed to succeed, which means that I don’t want to listen to our owners speaking to us often, but surely they should be telling us what they see as their real vision for Everton football club?
If it aligns with what our current CEO, told us last week about being happily dissatisfied, then god fucking help us.
Ian Wilkins
21 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:23:55
21 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:23:55
Listening to Moyes post match confirms matters.
His dour, abrasive, defensive, lack of honesty, lack of self awareness, lack of humility, lack of understanding, tells you all you need to know.
A wanna be Alex Ferguson, snarling at the press for asking pertinent questions about fan disappointment, lack of team changes.
You have done nothing, achieved nothing David Moyes to back up you misplaced arrogance.
The fact you cant see your obvious failings, the teams obvious flaws, your inability to change, your stubbornness, tells us that unless we change then we are simply destined for more of the same, in a PL that will likely be better next season.
Under Moyes will add Soucek and other experienced steady eddies. We will stand still at best.
One dimensional tactics, defence first, inferiority complex ridden second raters.
This simply isn't good enough, ‘ nothing but the best’ remember’. We are falling way way short, and it’s time to change.
You may not care for the questions Mr Moyes, but we don't care for your answers.
His dour, abrasive, defensive, lack of honesty, lack of self awareness, lack of humility, lack of understanding, tells you all you need to know.
A wanna be Alex Ferguson, snarling at the press for asking pertinent questions about fan disappointment, lack of team changes.
You have done nothing, achieved nothing David Moyes to back up you misplaced arrogance.
The fact you cant see your obvious failings, the teams obvious flaws, your inability to change, your stubbornness, tells us that unless we change then we are simply destined for more of the same, in a PL that will likely be better next season.
Under Moyes will add Soucek and other experienced steady eddies. We will stand still at best.
One dimensional tactics, defence first, inferiority complex ridden second raters.
This simply isn't good enough, ‘ nothing but the best’ remember’. We are falling way way short, and it’s time to change.
You may not care for the questions Mr Moyes, but we don't care for your answers.
Paul Kernot
22 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:33:53
22 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:33:53
And now the usual circus regards who we have lined up to add to the squad will start, the vast majority of whom will be either journalists bull or would never be interested in joining this horror show. Watching the dead rubber Burnley v Wolves highlights today and Burnley a couple more times, I actually like the look of United reject Hannibal.
Jim Bennings
23 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:42:43
23 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:42:43
Kinnear was actually quoted before the Sunderland game as saying the fans could be happily dissatisfaction.
That was actually BEFORE the Sunderland game when we were above Sunderland and could have finished 7th and got Europa League football.
So what convinced our Angus that the fans wouldn't be very satisfied after we beat Sunderland and Tottenham, two very winnable games?
Absolute losers mentality running rife throughout, we'd given up before the race was even finished.
That was actually BEFORE the Sunderland game when we were above Sunderland and could have finished 7th and got Europa League football.
So what convinced our Angus that the fans wouldn't be very satisfied after we beat Sunderland and Tottenham, two very winnable games?
Absolute losers mentality running rife throughout, we'd given up before the race was even finished.
Jim Bennings
24 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:52:01
24 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:52:01
What made it worse, yesterday Spurs were totally garbage, any team worth their salt would have well and truly put the shits up them and probably sent them down.
We offered zero resistance and we did start having a go in theast 10 minutes you could see the doubt and worry start showing with Tottenham players and fans.
I don't know what happened years ago at this club for the standards to have dropped so low now that it's basically almost the norm and we expect nothing more.
We offered zero resistance and we did start having a go in theast 10 minutes you could see the doubt and worry start showing with Tottenham players and fans.
I don't know what happened years ago at this club for the standards to have dropped so low now that it's basically almost the norm and we expect nothing more.
Tony Abrahams
26 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:58:41
26 Posted 25/05/2026 at 10:58:41
I think that is what made me feel so numb, yesterday Jim. We had a manager, who has managed West Ham, say that he wants them to stay up, and then you watch his team playing very conservatively, with zero imagination and even less effort, if that’s possible, until he introduced a few of the younger players who are deemed not good enough.
Why are they deemed not good enough? Because if the manager doesn’t play them, they can’t be any good. How do you know this though, if the manager doesn’t play them?
Frustrating to the point that my overall thoughts when watching us playing yesterday, was “what exactly is the fucking point?”
How any manager, could pick the same team bar one, after watching his team labouring (badly labouring) the week before was absolutely scandalous, unless he actually wanted West Ham, to go down, knowing that nearly everyone will be saying that they would still be a premier league club, if they hadn’t been so stupid by sacking him.
Why are they deemed not good enough? Because if the manager doesn’t play them, they can’t be any good. How do you know this though, if the manager doesn’t play them?
Frustrating to the point that my overall thoughts when watching us playing yesterday, was “what exactly is the fucking point?”
How any manager, could pick the same team bar one, after watching his team labouring (badly labouring) the week before was absolutely scandalous, unless he actually wanted West Ham, to go down, knowing that nearly everyone will be saying that they would still be a premier league club, if they hadn’t been so stupid by sacking him.
Les Callan
27 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:02:41
27 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:02:41
Just watched his post match presser. Jeez, he said he doesn’t understand the fans frustration and disappointment.
John Collins
28 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:08:42
28 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:08:42
A mate emailed the Friedkin company last week with his thoughts on the season.
I told him he was wasting his time, he got a reply though.
info@pursuit-sports.com
I told him he was wasting his time, he got a reply though.
info@pursuit-sports.com
Joe McMahon
29 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:11:21
29 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:11:21
There are certainly managers (ad their coaching team) that could entertain and get Everton higher up the table with exactly the same squad. But Keane, Gueye, Barry and Tarkowski can also piss off with the negative tosser Moyes.
Get money for Pickford also
Get money for Pickford also
Kunal Desai
30 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:20:59
30 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:20:59
Everton are a football club that still operates like they are playing football in the 80s.
They have never moved on with the times from a footballing perspective. Everything is stale and mundance, no invention or innovation.
Moving into a new stadium doesn't equate to progress on the field.
Dispense the dinosaurs at the club in every capacity whether that be on the fooballing and non footballing side including those on the operational side.
They have never moved on with the times from a footballing perspective. Everything is stale and mundance, no invention or innovation.
Moving into a new stadium doesn't equate to progress on the field.
Dispense the dinosaurs at the club in every capacity whether that be on the fooballing and non footballing side including those on the operational side.
Ian Horan
31 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:36:39
31 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:36:39
JB @24 years ago BPBBs and Moyes mark 1 lowered our standards and expectations so low that Moyes feels he can fool us all into accepting the dross servered up this time around
John Schrempft
32 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:40:29
32 Posted 25/05/2026 at 11:40:29
Practically all the comments on here make very valid points and also good suggestions.
What I would like to know is: how are Moyes's relationships with the players?
we, as fans are really frustrated with the present situation and understandably so. I'll bet quite a few of the present team and substitutes feel the same way. Being brought on in a game with 5 minutes to go, doesn't improve motivation. Stretching other players to the limit doesn't help either.
A very difficult situation indeed
What I would like to know is: how are Moyes's relationships with the players?
we, as fans are really frustrated with the present situation and understandably so. I'll bet quite a few of the present team and substitutes feel the same way. Being brought on in a game with 5 minutes to go, doesn't improve motivation. Stretching other players to the limit doesn't help either.
A very difficult situation indeed
Annika Herbert
33 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:05:33
33 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:05:33
Sunderland were a league one outfit 4 years ago. Now they are a Premier League side who just qualified for Europe in their first season back.
Now that's progress. Not the dull, boring, defensive shite we have been served up by the Master of boredom, Moyes.
All the years he spent watering down our hopes with his bullshit. Now he has returned to treat us all to more of the same.
The thought that this sheister might be given funds in the summer transfer window terrifies me almost as much as him being left in charge.
Now that's progress. Not the dull, boring, defensive shite we have been served up by the Master of boredom, Moyes.
All the years he spent watering down our hopes with his bullshit. Now he has returned to treat us all to more of the same.
The thought that this sheister might be given funds in the summer transfer window terrifies me almost as much as him being left in charge.
Jim Bennings
34 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:11:10
34 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:11:10
Would it shock anyone if Spurs left us behind again next season and finish about 10 or 15 points ahead of us?
They'll quickly return to the top 7 while we have another nice comfortable season of stability at 13th
They'll quickly return to the top 7 while we have another nice comfortable season of stability at 13th
Steve Brown
35 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:16:21
35 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:16:21
Moyes was asked the following by the Liverpool Echo reporter at the post-match news conference:
“The season has ended. There is some frustration and disappointment amng the fans. Do you understand that?”
His response:
“No I don’t understand it really.”
Is he a) Deluded b) Arrogant c) Dim-witted d) All of the above?
“The season has ended. There is some frustration and disappointment amng the fans. Do you understand that?”
His response:
“No I don’t understand it really.”
Is he a) Deluded b) Arrogant c) Dim-witted d) All of the above?
Mal van Schaick
36 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:19:08
36 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:19:08
What we learned is nearly more of the same. If we had not had points in the bag, we would have been in that relegation scrap and may not have survived given the last six game performances.
1) The squad is lacking depth and quality.
2) We need a genuine right full back or two ( Moyes cannot keep asking O’Brien and Garner to play there)
3) Some players need moving on, they are either past it or not of good enough Premier League quality.
4) The owners need better communication with the fans.
5) May be we have to move in a different direction with a new manager and backroom staff.
The intentions of the owners will become clearer as decisions are made before next season starts. Then we will have our answers.
1) The squad is lacking depth and quality.
2) We need a genuine right full back or two ( Moyes cannot keep asking O’Brien and Garner to play there)
3) Some players need moving on, they are either past it or not of good enough Premier League quality.
4) The owners need better communication with the fans.
5) May be we have to move in a different direction with a new manager and backroom staff.
The intentions of the owners will become clearer as decisions are made before next season starts. Then we will have our answers.
Mihir Ambardekar
37 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:21:41
37 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:21:41
Players like Keane, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Mcneil, Obrien at RB, Barry and Beto will hold us back from development. These players should leave before sacking Moyes. Replacing them will be a big improvement
Mick O\\\'Malley
38 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:44:14
38 Posted 25/05/2026 at 12:44:14
Steve id go with all 3, I tell you what he's one cheeky bastard isn't he, he cant understand why the fans are disappointed ffs
Well how about 6 home wins this season along with some putrid home performances, going out both cup competitions early again. Not winning a game since March, how about losing twice to Spurs, twice to the worst RS team since Hodgsons days, or throwing away a European spot which looked on the cards after the Chelsea win, or how about not giving the bench players more minutes to make an impact, how about playing players out of position and the flogging them to death when they are clearly tired. Or another negative goal difference.
Moyes complained last year that we couldn't get anyone to sign last summer as they are looking to play in Europe, also his reluctance to play the young players now and again might put paid to signing any talented youngsters who are worried they'll end up like Dibling stuck on the bench while Moyes plays his PL ready players out of position like McNiel, Sunderland put paid to Moyes bullshit PL ready nonsense with a team of players with hardly any PL experience and youngsters, their fans will be enjoying looking forward to European trips while we are left to reflect on another bitterly disappoing season and missed opportunities in a season where unfancied sides have qualified for Europe
Well how about 6 home wins this season along with some putrid home performances, going out both cup competitions early again. Not winning a game since March, how about losing twice to Spurs, twice to the worst RS team since Hodgsons days, or throwing away a European spot which looked on the cards after the Chelsea win, or how about not giving the bench players more minutes to make an impact, how about playing players out of position and the flogging them to death when they are clearly tired. Or another negative goal difference.
Moyes complained last year that we couldn't get anyone to sign last summer as they are looking to play in Europe, also his reluctance to play the young players now and again might put paid to signing any talented youngsters who are worried they'll end up like Dibling stuck on the bench while Moyes plays his PL ready players out of position like McNiel, Sunderland put paid to Moyes bullshit PL ready nonsense with a team of players with hardly any PL experience and youngsters, their fans will be enjoying looking forward to European trips while we are left to reflect on another bitterly disappoing season and missed opportunities in a season where unfancied sides have qualified for Europe
John Collins
39 Posted 25/05/2026 at 13:06:34
39 Posted 25/05/2026 at 13:06:34
Just had a chat with a mate,STH.
He reckons Moyes wants the sack,said he is alienating the fans with his comments on progress.
He reckons Moyes wants the sack,said he is alienating the fans with his comments on progress.
Sean Kearns
40 Posted 25/05/2026 at 13:12:31
40 Posted 25/05/2026 at 13:12:31
I’m convinced Moyes wanted to fuck west ham and threw the game as we didn’t have much on the line with Europe etc. He had them in Europe 3 times and even won it once, but now they are down 😂. So he did, in fact, have the last laugh. And those who laugh last, laugh best!… but it’s time to move on from us now. He did his job and stabilized the team but now we need to move into the modern era…. Also we need to keep Beto (as back up, as he’s actually ok and would be a wrecking ball off the bench against already tired defenses) and Barry needs to get binned. If Barry is near our team next season then nobody from higher up ever watches us or they don’t give a flying fuck!! He’s the absolute worst forward I have ever ever ever ever ever seen play for us. He’s an embarrassment.
Billy Shears
41 Posted 25/05/2026 at 13:15:04
41 Posted 25/05/2026 at 13:15:04
Tell Moyes he has to pay back all our away fans at the Spuds stadium yesterday... that'll wipe the smile off his smug face...TFG am sure will keep him for next season too!
Jeez,our club is doomed.
Jeez,our club is doomed.
Allan Board
42 Posted 25/05/2026 at 14:46:24
42 Posted 25/05/2026 at 14:46:24
The real piss take here is Moyes doing punditry on the World Cup- I hope they give the twat Scotlands games and Patterson plays out of his skin in every game. Then grill the twat as to why he's not in Evertons team. Everybody in the club see him as this big tough guy, not to be messed with- what bollucks! All I've ever seen is a Homer Simpson lookalike first time round and now morphed into Mrs Doubtfire! He rules by bullying and setting up cliques of his favourite's so the rest( usually the young lads) become ostracised. He's a tosser who always blames his player's. I'd tell him to shut the fuck up and get better at coaching. Been a fraud since after Rooney left and now in full effect.
Peter Fearon
43 Posted 25/05/2026 at 14:57:06
43 Posted 25/05/2026 at 14:57:06
Watching Everton’s insipid performance against Spurs as the bookend to a miserable run of results has convinced me that David Moyes must go.
We should thank him for steering the ship away from the iceberg, restoring stability and hope for the future, but the fact is his task is done. It is time to hand over to someone who will build the success we all want to see, not simply survive.
Had the end of season collapse that feels all too familiar happened in January we would be much close to disaster than 13th. Moyes not only took no action to deal with the loss of form, his post match press conferences show he is in denial.
The Spurs game was classic Dithering Dave: an unchanged defence despite the frailties the back four has shown in the last several games; Clydesdale #2 in for Clydesdale #1 (Beto and Barry have been alternating ineffectively all season) and creative talents left on the bench until too late to make a real impact. The result: we flatline at crucial moments.
It’s conservative predictable football with limited attacking ambition, lacking creative flair. There would be an excuse for it if the defensive organization that once made us difficult to beat was still there. It isn’t. We risk becoming permanently mediocre. With a new stadium, finances in order and ambitious ownership, survival-focused football and the safety of mediocrity is no longer what we should be aiming for.
Moyes is clearly reluctant to trust Armstrong, Tyrique, Alcaraz, Aznou and Dibling with more than cameos treating themas if they were academy players. To develop they need the minutes that he refuses to give them despite the falling off of, for example, KDH and NDiaye. Perhaps if there was some proper rotation players like them would not appear so exhausted.
Despite an exciting season filled with hope the end result is that we are in precisely the same position. That is stagnation. We need a new younger more progressive manager to build a team for the future. Fortunately, I’m pretty sure the owners know that.
We should thank him for steering the ship away from the iceberg, restoring stability and hope for the future, but the fact is his task is done. It is time to hand over to someone who will build the success we all want to see, not simply survive.
Had the end of season collapse that feels all too familiar happened in January we would be much close to disaster than 13th. Moyes not only took no action to deal with the loss of form, his post match press conferences show he is in denial.
The Spurs game was classic Dithering Dave: an unchanged defence despite the frailties the back four has shown in the last several games; Clydesdale #2 in for Clydesdale #1 (Beto and Barry have been alternating ineffectively all season) and creative talents left on the bench until too late to make a real impact. The result: we flatline at crucial moments.
It’s conservative predictable football with limited attacking ambition, lacking creative flair. There would be an excuse for it if the defensive organization that once made us difficult to beat was still there. It isn’t. We risk becoming permanently mediocre. With a new stadium, finances in order and ambitious ownership, survival-focused football and the safety of mediocrity is no longer what we should be aiming for.
Moyes is clearly reluctant to trust Armstrong, Tyrique, Alcaraz, Aznou and Dibling with more than cameos treating themas if they were academy players. To develop they need the minutes that he refuses to give them despite the falling off of, for example, KDH and NDiaye. Perhaps if there was some proper rotation players like them would not appear so exhausted.
Despite an exciting season filled with hope the end result is that we are in precisely the same position. That is stagnation. We need a new younger more progressive manager to build a team for the future. Fortunately, I’m pretty sure the owners know that.
John Collins
44 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:07:42
44 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:07:42
It’s conservative predictable football with limited attacking ambition, lacking creative flair. There would be an excuse for it if the defensive organization that once made us difficult to beat was still there. It isn’t.
I was thinking similar earlier Peter.
14 goals conceded in 6 games suggests he's not very good at what he's famous for.
I was thinking similar earlier Peter.
14 goals conceded in 6 games suggests he's not very good at what he's famous for.
Dale Self
45 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:18:41
45 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:18:41
Insipid, I like it, Peter.
What I learned is that feeling one gets from trying to actually understand someone's nonsense. I actually feel my football IQ in decline watching Moyes.
What I learned is that feeling one gets from trying to actually understand someone's nonsense. I actually feel my football IQ in decline watching Moyes.
John Collins
46 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:20:03
46 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:20:03
Allan 42.
A little unfair.
I look forward to him advising Ancelotti, Deschamps, de la Fuentes, Nagelsman, Scaloni etc on how to play football.
I'm sure the managers would appreciate any input Moyes can give.
A little unfair.
I look forward to him advising Ancelotti, Deschamps, de la Fuentes, Nagelsman, Scaloni etc on how to play football.
I'm sure the managers would appreciate any input Moyes can give.
Soren Moyer
47 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:32:34
47 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:32:34
That the man has been sacked 5 times for a good reason!
Mike Gaynes
48 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:36:31
48 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:36:31
Patric, I give you 50% on this piece.
The points about Jake and ruthlessness are valid.
But to conclude that Ndiaye can't play centrally based on one tired game at the end of the season, not having played the position in years, is kinda silly to me.
And most of all, IMO we do NOT need a Gana replacement. We have KDH, who has publicly said he considers himself a #8, and who positioned next to Garner would give us one of the best central mid pairings in the league. We also have Iroegbunam and Armstrong and Rohl as potential contributors there.
What we need is a true #10 to take over the role that KDH has performed all season, passionately but ultimately inadequately.
The points about Jake and ruthlessness are valid.
But to conclude that Ndiaye can't play centrally based on one tired game at the end of the season, not having played the position in years, is kinda silly to me.
And most of all, IMO we do NOT need a Gana replacement. We have KDH, who has publicly said he considers himself a #8, and who positioned next to Garner would give us one of the best central mid pairings in the league. We also have Iroegbunam and Armstrong and Rohl as potential contributors there.
What we need is a true #10 to take over the role that KDH has performed all season, passionately but ultimately inadequately.
Mike Gaynes
49 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:48:35
49 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:48:35
John #44, 100% accurate.
I will expand on it with one specific example -- my pet peeve is failure to defend corners, which is the most basic defensive commitment in the game. If a manager can't execute that, he doesn't belong in the job.
I wanted Roberto sacked after we gave up the most goals from corners two seasons in a row. I wanted Silva sacked after we gave up six in 8 games and it emerged that he barely worked on the problem in training.
We've been shipping goals on corners for several months now, and yesterday Spurs got free headers on three in a row. The third produced the goal. No adjustments. Inexcusable.
That plus the recent blunders by Tarks, O'Brien and Keane is clear evidence that Moyes can no longer execute the one task that makes his style worth enduring, and that's reliable defending. His coaching has gone to hell.
I will expand on it with one specific example -- my pet peeve is failure to defend corners, which is the most basic defensive commitment in the game. If a manager can't execute that, he doesn't belong in the job.
I wanted Roberto sacked after we gave up the most goals from corners two seasons in a row. I wanted Silva sacked after we gave up six in 8 games and it emerged that he barely worked on the problem in training.
We've been shipping goals on corners for several months now, and yesterday Spurs got free headers on three in a row. The third produced the goal. No adjustments. Inexcusable.
That plus the recent blunders by Tarks, O'Brien and Keane is clear evidence that Moyes can no longer execute the one task that makes his style worth enduring, and that's reliable defending. His coaching has gone to hell.
John Collins
50 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:48:40
50 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:48:40
I think Illy could play as a 10 no problem.
That frees a space for a fast winger.
You reckon the owners are ruthless enough to sack Moyes Mike?
That frees a space for a fast winger.
You reckon the owners are ruthless enough to sack Moyes Mike?
Jimmy Carr
51 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:52:43
51 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:52:43
I watched Moyes's response in the press conference to that question about understanding why the fans are disappointed. He didn't snarl back at the question but his answer was astonishing and betrayed a lack of understanding and/or arrogance. I don't think Moyes is a fool, but one minute he's saying he's disappointed we didn't get into Europe, then the next minute he can't understand why the fans are disappointed.
I keep saying it, unless something drastic happens he's not going anywhere though. I hope I'm wrong.
I keep saying it, unless something drastic happens he's not going anywhere though. I hope I'm wrong.
Andrew Grey
52 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:55:39
52 Posted 25/05/2026 at 15:55:39
Jimmy - I actually thought he was saying that he didn't understand the question as he thought it was obvious the fans would be disappointed. I thought it was a dig at the reporter?
Jimmy Carr
53 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:12:24
53 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:12:24
Andrew (52) I didn't read it that way but maybe you are right. Either way, it was the wrong answer!!
Steve Brown
54 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:34:32
54 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:34:32
Andrew, I also did not read it like that.
You are crediting him with too much intelligence. He was taken aback and got annoyed at the reporter for asking him a real question.
His response was very revealing about his mentality.
You are crediting him with too much intelligence. He was taken aback and got annoyed at the reporter for asking him a real question.
His response was very revealing about his mentality.
John Collins
55 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:37:53
55 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:37:53
I didnt see it.
A mate reckoned he smirked?
A mate reckoned he smirked?
John Steadman
56 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:40:38
56 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:40:38
This season has been a typical Everton season, when Moyes the Messiah (tongue in check) has been in charge. Dour, unimaginative, boring, soulless football is what we got the 1st time around, now he rinses and repeats!
Time for Friedkins to smell the coffee, and get rid off this charlatan whilst several decent forward thinking Managers are available.
Managers, who can change tactics during the game, are more than prepared to give youngsters and unknown's a run in the team.
Managers, who play proper Wingers, Managers who play proper Right Backs.
Managers who bin players who do not perform to an acceptable level and make substitutions at the optimal time during the game, so that they can effect the result.
Put simply - the time has come for Moyes to do one!!!!
Come on board, act like West Ham have just done and sack the fraud!
NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Friedkins aren't afraid of sacking Managers just look at A.S Roma under their ownership, are we any different?
Time for Friedkins to smell the coffee, and get rid off this charlatan whilst several decent forward thinking Managers are available.
Managers, who can change tactics during the game, are more than prepared to give youngsters and unknown's a run in the team.
Managers, who play proper Wingers, Managers who play proper Right Backs.
Managers who bin players who do not perform to an acceptable level and make substitutions at the optimal time during the game, so that they can effect the result.
Put simply - the time has come for Moyes to do one!!!!
Come on board, act like West Ham have just done and sack the fraud!
NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Friedkins aren't afraid of sacking Managers just look at A.S Roma under their ownership, are we any different?
Mike Gaynes
57 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:47:20
57 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:47:20
John #50, ruthless enough? Absolutely. They've shown that at Roma. And it finally paid off for them yesterday when Roma FINALLY secured a Champions League berth (congrats to the Friedkins).
But it's worth noting that after sacking Mourinho 28 months ago, they went through three more managers before hiring Gasperini, who seemed doomed to be sacked himself last month before winning his last five games of the season.
I have high hopes they'll fire Moyes. I am nervous as hell about what they do next. And I am by no means as devoted to the Iraola idea as most here.
But it's worth noting that after sacking Mourinho 28 months ago, they went through three more managers before hiring Gasperini, who seemed doomed to be sacked himself last month before winning his last five games of the season.
I have high hopes they'll fire Moyes. I am nervous as hell about what they do next. And I am by no means as devoted to the Iraola idea as most here.
John Collins
58 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:56:01
58 Posted 25/05/2026 at 16:56:01
Nice to hear Mike.
Its the logical decision for Moyes to go now imo.
Any of the managers who finished above us will do.
Apart from Arnie
Its the logical decision for Moyes to go now imo.
Any of the managers who finished above us will do.
Apart from Arnie
Phil Roberts
59 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:02:17
59 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:02:17
Terry Downes - if you have been watching since 1973, then no matter how bad it was yesterday - it was not the worst over those 53 years.
Mike Walker?
Mike Walker?
Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:07:16
60 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:07:16
John #58, Roma just reached the CL by hiring a manager who finished below them. Gasperini from Atalanta. I'd say Glasner would suit me fine.
Returning to my theme of coaching on corner kicks, here is an excerpt from Goal.com's analysis of how corners boosted Roma over the top:
Roma generate most of their danger through central occupation around the six-yard area, mixing inswinging and outswinging deliveries to destabilize defensive setups and create repeated first contacts in dangerous zones.
The variety is important.
Rather than relying on one predictable routine, Roma constantly alter delivery angles and target zones depending on the taker and side.
At first, Roma’s scoring streak from corners looked unsustainable.
But as the weeks passed, it became increasingly obvious this was not randomness or variance.
It looked coached.
It looked intentional.
And perhaps most importantly, it reflected a team adapting intelligently to its limitations. During periods where Roma struggled to consistently create high-quality open-play chances, they found another pathway toward goals through set-piece structure and delivery quality.
Sound familiar?
There's the importance of a manager who gets the basics right.
Returning to my theme of coaching on corner kicks, here is an excerpt from Goal.com's analysis of how corners boosted Roma over the top:
Roma generate most of their danger through central occupation around the six-yard area, mixing inswinging and outswinging deliveries to destabilize defensive setups and create repeated first contacts in dangerous zones.
The variety is important.
Rather than relying on one predictable routine, Roma constantly alter delivery angles and target zones depending on the taker and side.
At first, Roma’s scoring streak from corners looked unsustainable.
But as the weeks passed, it became increasingly obvious this was not randomness or variance.
It looked coached.
It looked intentional.
And perhaps most importantly, it reflected a team adapting intelligently to its limitations. During periods where Roma struggled to consistently create high-quality open-play chances, they found another pathway toward goals through set-piece structure and delivery quality.
Sound familiar?
There's the importance of a manager who gets the basics right.
John Collins
61 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:14:38
61 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:14:38
I'd take Glasner all day Mike
Soren Moyer
62 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:36:49
62 Posted 25/05/2026 at 17:36:49
Glasner. That would be a dream appointment.
Jack Convery
63 Posted 25/05/2026 at 18:21:37
63 Posted 25/05/2026 at 18:21:37
This is what Spurs learnt. Taken from an open letter to their supporters today. Written by Non Exec Director Peter Charrington :
"The qualities that make Spurs distinct, our football, our ambition, the connection between the team and its supporters, had been allowed to fade. Football success had not been driving our decisions.
"We did not have the right expertise in key roles. We did not build squads good enough to compete in the most demanding league in the world."
Replace Spurs with Everton.
"The qualities that make Spurs distinct, our football, our ambition, the connection between the team and its supporters, had been allowed to fade. Football success had not been driving our decisions.
"We did not have the right expertise in key roles. We did not build squads good enough to compete in the most demanding league in the world."
Replace Spurs with Everton.
Mark Ryan
64 Posted 25/05/2026 at 18:27:03
64 Posted 25/05/2026 at 18:27:03
You could also add and whilst we have appointed a top manager in RDZ Everton are stuck with David Moyes
Paul Hewitt
65 Posted 25/05/2026 at 19:37:20
65 Posted 25/05/2026 at 19:37:20
Sarri has left Lazio. Would TFG fancy him as manager. ?
Brian Harrison
66 Posted 25/05/2026 at 19:54:01
66 Posted 25/05/2026 at 19:54:01
Glasner your having a giraffe he finished lower than us in the league. Show some ambition for Gods sake. For too long we have made heros out of very average players, so no wonder we have won nothing for so long. As Joe Royle said of Ferguson he became a legend before he became a player. There will be some top managers available after the World Cup if we cant temp Iriola and seeing Milan have been in touch with his agents I think that rules us out.
Tony Abrahams
67 Posted 25/05/2026 at 19:58:56
67 Posted 25/05/2026 at 19:58:56
Trying to tempt Glasner, would show real ambition imo, Brian. His team might have come lower than us in the league, but he’s got them to two cup finals, in two seasons, whereas Everton, have only played in two cup finals in the previous 31 years.
Paul Hewitt
68 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:05:32
68 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:05:32
Glasnier is my preferred choice. Could win palace there 3rd trophy in twelve months this week. Fantastic achievement for a club like palace
Mike Gaynes
69 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:09:43
69 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:09:43
The hopes of a managerial change may be a mirage.
Paddy Boyland of The Athletic has been the most reliably accurate Everton reporter over the past couple of seasons, and here are some excerpts from what he wrote this morning:
"Everton believe tangible progress has been made this season — much of the campaign was spent talking about potential European contention rather than relegation, in contrast with the turbulence of the recent past.
"All the indications so far suggest that TFG admires the job the 63-year-old has done until now and believes him to be a steadying influence.
"The club will sit down to plot next steps, but there is a reluctance to do anything that would potentially jeopardise stability or throw them into what is expected to be a managerial merry-go-round across the industry this summer. There remains a desire to avoid emotional or impulsive decisions.
"Various explanations have been offered for the recent drop-off. Some believe there is a lack of quality and depth, drawing unfavourable comparisons between Everton’s squad and that of relegated West Ham United. Others have bemoaned injuries, conservative tactics in games and fatigue. Everton have the third-oldest side in the league at just over 28 years old and rank bottom both for line-up changes (1.5 per game on average) and substitutions made (3.3).
"Moyes backed experience in the push for Europe but could not help Everton get over the line. The win-now mentality gave the club a realistic chance of achieving something unexpected, but has also meant that vital development opportunities went begging and key lessons about the squad were not learned.
"Siginficant questions remain regarding both the faltering end-of-season form and the general direction of travel.
"Another big summer awaits."
Boyland could, of course, be flat-out wrong -- but it would be the first time I can recall.
Paddy Boyland of The Athletic has been the most reliably accurate Everton reporter over the past couple of seasons, and here are some excerpts from what he wrote this morning:
"Everton believe tangible progress has been made this season — much of the campaign was spent talking about potential European contention rather than relegation, in contrast with the turbulence of the recent past.
"All the indications so far suggest that TFG admires the job the 63-year-old has done until now and believes him to be a steadying influence.
"The club will sit down to plot next steps, but there is a reluctance to do anything that would potentially jeopardise stability or throw them into what is expected to be a managerial merry-go-round across the industry this summer. There remains a desire to avoid emotional or impulsive decisions.
"Various explanations have been offered for the recent drop-off. Some believe there is a lack of quality and depth, drawing unfavourable comparisons between Everton’s squad and that of relegated West Ham United. Others have bemoaned injuries, conservative tactics in games and fatigue. Everton have the third-oldest side in the league at just over 28 years old and rank bottom both for line-up changes (1.5 per game on average) and substitutions made (3.3).
"Moyes backed experience in the push for Europe but could not help Everton get over the line. The win-now mentality gave the club a realistic chance of achieving something unexpected, but has also meant that vital development opportunities went begging and key lessons about the squad were not learned.
"Siginficant questions remain regarding both the faltering end-of-season form and the general direction of travel.
"Another big summer awaits."
Boyland could, of course, be flat-out wrong -- but it would be the first time I can recall.
Nick Page
70 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:21:23
70 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:21:23
There is a lack of depth, compared to the top end of the league. But the fact that Moyes completely refuses to use his bench or indeed his squad merely compounds the effects. Moyes is a fucking pain in the arse. The dour bastard probably didn’t want to qualify for Europe. He spent last summer telling us how many players we needed, made late signings and ultimately fell short. And then, knowing all that, failed to do anything in January. And wow, didn’t we all know that would happen having suffered his transfer window a for years. He can fuck off and I wish he would. Take a long hard look in the mirror, Davie. You let the players and most importantly the fans down.
Everton football club need to move quickly for a top young manager. Or it’s more of the same.
Everton football club need to move quickly for a top young manager. Or it’s more of the same.
Tony Abrahams
71 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:28:39
71 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:28:39
I think he will stay Mike, but also think that if those silent owners, would have shown a little bit more interest and been at either of our last two games, then they would have been given a much better indication of how most match going fans feel, and would already be looking for a new manager.
Enough words have been spoken, (by the fans) but because we have mute owners, they can only be judged by their actions amongst most of the fan base.
The other side of the fence is that the canny Scot, might have also gambled on West Ham, getting relegated to make our owners have second thoughts about giving him his marching orders because most experts within the game will be saying it wouldn’t have happened if Moyes, was still there manager.
Enough words have been spoken, (by the fans) but because we have mute owners, they can only be judged by their actions amongst most of the fan base.
The other side of the fence is that the canny Scot, might have also gambled on West Ham, getting relegated to make our owners have second thoughts about giving him his marching orders because most experts within the game will be saying it wouldn’t have happened if Moyes, was still there manager.
Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:57:08
72 Posted 25/05/2026 at 20:57:08
Tony #71, it's just my opinion, but I strongly believe the reason TFG have second thoughts -- and third and fourth thoughts -- about sacking him is because of the 28 months of chaos that followed their sacking Mou at Roma. Turns out TFG sucked at hiring. They went through three more managers and were right on the edge of firing their fourth as recently as last month before Gasperini dramatically turned things around.
That's why IMO Kinnear's recent statement so heavily emphasized stability -- I think that's what Friedkin values most at this point, for better or worse.
We see a bad situation. Friedkin sees a situation that could get so much worse -- as it did at Roma.
That's why IMO Kinnear's recent statement so heavily emphasized stability -- I think that's what Friedkin values most at this point, for better or worse.
We see a bad situation. Friedkin sees a situation that could get so much worse -- as it did at Roma.
Tony Abrahams
73 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:14:23
73 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:14:23
Have Roma, finished in the bottom half of the season since the Friedkin’s, purchased them Mike?
Take away our points deduction and that is three twelfth or thirteen placed position on the spin, with the one major difference being that, this was the first season that the club, started the season without major turbulence behind the scenes, and yet they still managed to get a similar amount of points on the board during those very difficult seasons.
I’ve yet to be convinced by TSF, and this is another reason I expect them to keep David Moyes.
Take away our points deduction and that is three twelfth or thirteen placed position on the spin, with the one major difference being that, this was the first season that the club, started the season without major turbulence behind the scenes, and yet they still managed to get a similar amount of points on the board during those very difficult seasons.
I’ve yet to be convinced by TSF, and this is another reason I expect them to keep David Moyes.
Mark Ryan
74 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:25:05
74 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:25:05
Mike Post at 69 is the single most depressing thing I've read for some time. It makes my heart sink. Moyes for next season is a disaster waiting to happen. Why can TFG not see we have NOT made progress under Moyes. All that's happened is that we avoided relegation with a little more certainty, that's it, nothing else. That's not true progress, its simply survival
John Collins
75 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:27:35
75 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:27:35
It's a simple equation for me.
If the owners keep him on they have no ambition to move us up the league.
If the owners keep him on they have no ambition to move us up the league.
Brendan McLaughlin
76 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:37:47
76 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:37:47
Tony #73
Were Roma in the bottom half before TFG purchased them?
Were Roma in the bottom half before TFG purchased them?
Tony Abrahams
77 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:38:41
77 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:38:41
League, league, league, league, league. If TSF, done their research then they would probably find that most of us would sooner win a cup.
Take care and have a great few days in the sunshine everyone, I think the people who want Moyes gone have said enough, so it’s best giving ToffeeWeb, a rest for a while, and let the people who want to keep the manager, have their little say now that the dust has settled👍
No Brendan, they haven’t finished out the top six in Serie A, for years, except when TSF
purchased them and they initially came 7th, in 2020/21.
Take care and have a great few days in the sunshine everyone, I think the people who want Moyes gone have said enough, so it’s best giving ToffeeWeb, a rest for a while, and let the people who want to keep the manager, have their little say now that the dust has settled👍
No Brendan, they haven’t finished out the top six in Serie A, for years, except when TSF
purchased them and they initially came 7th, in 2020/21.
Brendan McLaughlin
78 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:54:33
78 Posted 25/05/2026 at 21:54:33
Bodes well then Tony #77
TSF... The Stupid Feckers... no?
TSF... The Stupid Feckers... no?
Jay Lewis
79 Posted 25/05/2026 at 22:01:20
79 Posted 25/05/2026 at 22:01:20
Just watched Moyes' post match interview on toffeetv, he doesn't understand the fans frustration?! The fucking idiot is either deluded or ignorant or both, FFS, starting to more than dislike the c*nt
Stu Gre
80 Posted 25/05/2026 at 22:13:56
80 Posted 25/05/2026 at 22:13:56
Michael
It's great to have Rob Halligan posting here again, and he did such a spot-on job, I've converted it to a Fans Comment article with a thread of its own:
European football for Everton was there for the taking
Please read and comment on it there. Thanks.
Wish it was easier to find fan articles. Shame, this is better than some of the main columns
It's great to have Rob Halligan posting here again, and he did such a spot-on job, I've converted it to a Fans Comment article with a thread of its own:
European football for Everton was there for the taking
Please read and comment on it there. Thanks.
Wish it was easier to find fan articles. Shame, this is better than some of the main columns
Soren Moyer
81 Posted 25/05/2026 at 22:50:26
81 Posted 25/05/2026 at 22:50:26
Brian #66,
FFS man! Let's win some trophies first and show ambition later!
FFS man! Let's win some trophies first and show ambition later!
Jack Convery
82 Posted 26/05/2026 at 01:20:29
82 Posted 26/05/2026 at 01:20:29
Has he gone yet ?
Stu Gre
83 Posted 26/05/2026 at 09:02:01
83 Posted 26/05/2026 at 09:02:01
Brian 66
You want Iraola who has won a Cypriot Super Cup, but not Glasner who has won the Europa League and FA Cup?
You want Iraola who has won a Cypriot Super Cup, but not Glasner who has won the Europa League and FA Cup?
Merle Urquart
84 Posted 26/05/2026 at 12:16:53
84 Posted 26/05/2026 at 12:16:53
I wont be spending anymore money on Everton FC until this hump has gone...we cannot afford to waste another season especially with the availabilty of good up and coming managers...by the time we eventually get shut which is inevitable, the pool of decent candidates will have significantly reduced, this is the biggest turning point in years...keep the hump and let him squirt away what transfer funds we have on old men, then let him go will condemn us to another 2 to 3 years of shit at least...he has done absolutely nothing to deserve to stay...Moyes has got to go!
Christy Ring
85 Posted 26/05/2026 at 13:28:39
85 Posted 26/05/2026 at 13:28:39
What we've learned? If you're a young player, you won't want to come here under Moyes.
He said after the Spurs game, the youngsters made a huge difference, and that's after he only gave them 10 or 15 minutes. We haven't won in seven games and yet he didn't think to start them before then??
He said after the Spurs game, the youngsters made a huge difference, and that's after he only gave them 10 or 15 minutes. We haven't won in seven games and yet he didn't think to start them before then??
Kevin Molloy
86 Posted 26/05/2026 at 14:21:47
86 Posted 26/05/2026 at 14:21:47
What have we learnt? I'd say, quite a lot.
1) Rumours our CEO is a hamfisted barmcake have proliferated for months, but he removed all doubt during the last week. 'Happily dissatisfied'. Bravo, sir. he was problematic from the first time he opened his mouth. What were his targets for the new season? 'To make Evertonians proud'. What a slippery statement if ever there was one. 'How does that translate exactly, Angus?' Answer came there none.
2) Transfers. We've been waiting all year for last years dealings to come good, I think we can also now definitively state that having spent well over £100M and affecting only minimal change to the line-up of a desperately mediocre squad was a quite terrible summer of ins and outs. If we cashed them all in tomorrow, we'd probably get about £50M back (and that's a big if). And whatever that fetches will be our transfer budget this year. cos the penny is starting to drop with the Friedkins. go and ask AI what Roma's net spend is over the last five years. Apparently it was £100M in the first year, and then fuck all. so, to say that does not bode well is an understatement.
3) TFG. As Mike says above 'turns out, TFG really suck at hiring'. Oh well, we can't be good at everything, and all that. And since when has hiring the right people been important in football?
4) Moyes. He's done more damage to his reputation in the last month than I can recall for one person. I'm not even talking about the fall off in form, it's his explanation to the fans, or lack thereof. Gaslighting us all that we did quite well, just sadly not quite good enough.
That's not what happened, Davey. We're not stupid, We needed a proper explanation, and we were treated like fools.
1) Rumours our CEO is a hamfisted barmcake have proliferated for months, but he removed all doubt during the last week. 'Happily dissatisfied'. Bravo, sir. he was problematic from the first time he opened his mouth. What were his targets for the new season? 'To make Evertonians proud'. What a slippery statement if ever there was one. 'How does that translate exactly, Angus?' Answer came there none.
2) Transfers. We've been waiting all year for last years dealings to come good, I think we can also now definitively state that having spent well over £100M and affecting only minimal change to the line-up of a desperately mediocre squad was a quite terrible summer of ins and outs. If we cashed them all in tomorrow, we'd probably get about £50M back (and that's a big if). And whatever that fetches will be our transfer budget this year. cos the penny is starting to drop with the Friedkins. go and ask AI what Roma's net spend is over the last five years. Apparently it was £100M in the first year, and then fuck all. so, to say that does not bode well is an understatement.
3) TFG. As Mike says above 'turns out, TFG really suck at hiring'. Oh well, we can't be good at everything, and all that. And since when has hiring the right people been important in football?
4) Moyes. He's done more damage to his reputation in the last month than I can recall for one person. I'm not even talking about the fall off in form, it's his explanation to the fans, or lack thereof. Gaslighting us all that we did quite well, just sadly not quite good enough.
That's not what happened, Davey. We're not stupid, We needed a proper explanation, and we were treated like fools.
Si Cooper
87 Posted 26/05/2026 at 15:06:39
87 Posted 26/05/2026 at 15:06:39
Kevin (86), you are still doling out some questionable stuff.
Our transfer business last summer is now, you think, proven to be ‘a quite terrible summer of ins and outs’. The only one I’d give up on right now is Thierno Barry. The jury is still very much out on the likes of Alcaraz, Dibling and Aznou because we don’t actually know if the problem is with them or the manager. Dewsbury-Hall and Rohl are qualified successes for me.
You are judging what TFG will do based solely on what they have done with AS Roma, ignoring the fact that good businessmen can operate very differently in different markets, and the inference that TFG are being miserly with Roma isn’t supported by the fact that they now appear to be achieving consistent European qualification, highlighted by a 3rd-place finish this season that secured a long-awaited return to the UEFA Champions League.
Mike G appears to have become a ‘curb your enthusiasm’ merchant, although I do believe he is motivated by trying to ease what he sees as troubled minds.
Moyes has only damaged his reputation amongst those who thought he actually had a very good one; for plenty of Evertonians he has merely confirmed long held doubts by ultimately being incapable of significant change.
Our transfer business last summer is now, you think, proven to be ‘a quite terrible summer of ins and outs’. The only one I’d give up on right now is Thierno Barry. The jury is still very much out on the likes of Alcaraz, Dibling and Aznou because we don’t actually know if the problem is with them or the manager. Dewsbury-Hall and Rohl are qualified successes for me.
You are judging what TFG will do based solely on what they have done with AS Roma, ignoring the fact that good businessmen can operate very differently in different markets, and the inference that TFG are being miserly with Roma isn’t supported by the fact that they now appear to be achieving consistent European qualification, highlighted by a 3rd-place finish this season that secured a long-awaited return to the UEFA Champions League.
Mike G appears to have become a ‘curb your enthusiasm’ merchant, although I do believe he is motivated by trying to ease what he sees as troubled minds.
Moyes has only damaged his reputation amongst those who thought he actually had a very good one; for plenty of Evertonians he has merely confirmed long held doubts by ultimately being incapable of significant change.
John Collins
88 Posted 26/05/2026 at 15:29:48
88 Posted 26/05/2026 at 15:29:48
"Moyes has only damaged his reputation amongst those who thought he actually had a very good one; for plenty of Evertonians he has merely confirmed long held doubts by ultimately being incapable of significant change."
Amongst all the screaming and shouting that is perfectly put Si.
Especially the last 6 words tells you everything you need to know about the manager.
Amongst all the screaming and shouting that is perfectly put Si.
Especially the last 6 words tells you everything you need to know about the manager.
Merle Urquart
89 Posted 26/05/2026 at 20:29:21
89 Posted 26/05/2026 at 20:29:21
Ah its started ready.. linked with Wan Bissaka...how would Jeremy off Peep Show describe this "the 4th pressing of the olive"
Mark Steers
90 Posted 26/05/2026 at 20:34:50
90 Posted 26/05/2026 at 20:34:50
Okay, time to explain why we finished where we did this season.
The team and pretty much the squad have not changed in 2 seasons now, so why would you think you're going to improve with the same ageing players? Our transfers before this season were pretty none:
1st: Alcaraz was already there from his loan.
2nd: Barry arrived just before we went on a USA tour.
3rd: Then just before the season startedd, we pulled in Grealish on loan.
4th: Dibling (Do you remember him?) £40M.
5th: Aznou (great Moroccan).
6th: Dewsbury-Hall (best of our buys).
This was Everton's first hit at the transfer window for quite a few seasons. Ratings out of 10? Probably 3. This is why we are still 13th in the Premier League. Next window, we need quality, not rubbish.
The team and pretty much the squad have not changed in 2 seasons now, so why would you think you're going to improve with the same ageing players? Our transfers before this season were pretty none:
1st: Alcaraz was already there from his loan.
2nd: Barry arrived just before we went on a USA tour.
3rd: Then just before the season startedd, we pulled in Grealish on loan.
4th: Dibling (Do you remember him?) £40M.
5th: Aznou (great Moroccan).
6th: Dewsbury-Hall (best of our buys).
This was Everton's first hit at the transfer window for quite a few seasons. Ratings out of 10? Probably 3. This is why we are still 13th in the Premier League. Next window, we need quality, not rubbish.
Kevin Molloy
91 Posted 26/05/2026 at 21:15:19
91 Posted 26/05/2026 at 21:15:19
Si,
Well over £100M laid out, one change to our moribund first team, it's hardly a roaring success, is it?
Re Roma, we are quite similar clubs. Similar sums laid out etc. The facts are that their net spend over the last 5 years is less than we spent last year, and it was all in the first year.
Most people regard Moyes as having a good reputation, particularly after keeping us up in such style. I realise that, among the diehards, his reputation is immovable.
Well over £100M laid out, one change to our moribund first team, it's hardly a roaring success, is it?
Re Roma, we are quite similar clubs. Similar sums laid out etc. The facts are that their net spend over the last 5 years is less than we spent last year, and it was all in the first year.
Most people regard Moyes as having a good reputation, particularly after keeping us up in such style. I realise that, among the diehards, his reputation is immovable.
Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 26/05/2026 at 21:36:28
92 Posted 26/05/2026 at 21:36:28
For a man who doesn't like criticism, you would have thought that Moyes had built up a catalogue of fine achievements, befitting of the once great Everton Football Club.
He talked about how he would be happy being in the European tiddlywinks competition, he talked about his achievements in winning a European competition with West Ham, had helped him get the Everton job, but then he didn't understand how the Everton fans wouldn't have been disappointed that we never qualified for Europe.
Sunderland got 7th, Everton 13th. With 180 minutes left in the Premier League season and with Moyes continuing to play tired players, Everton dropped down the league like a stone.
And 7th got European football; 13th got £22M less prize money than the newly promoted Sunderland, but at least David Moyes kept Everton up in good style... 🙈
He talked about how he would be happy being in the European tiddlywinks competition, he talked about his achievements in winning a European competition with West Ham, had helped him get the Everton job, but then he didn't understand how the Everton fans wouldn't have been disappointed that we never qualified for Europe.
Sunderland got 7th, Everton 13th. With 180 minutes left in the Premier League season and with Moyes continuing to play tired players, Everton dropped down the league like a stone.
And 7th got European football; 13th got £22M less prize money than the newly promoted Sunderland, but at least David Moyes kept Everton up in good style... 🙈
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1 Posted 25/05/2026 at 07:39:56