Should we worry about this?
Press Association Sport understands the governing body – which agreed a new worldwide television deal worth around £5.5billion over three years to start with the new season – is in the process of requesting a court order which would force ISPs to effectively ban their customers from accessing www.FirstRow1.eu, a website based in Sweden.
The moves follow on from those made by the music and film industries, which have successfully blocked websites which offer the opportunity to download copyrighted material, such as Pirate Bay, under Section 97 of the 1988 Copyright, Design and Patent Act.
BT is to move into the live broadcast market for the 2013-14 season, having paid £246million to the Premier League for three years – and is set to offer free access to their live sports offerings to its broadband subscribers. Sky also acts as an ISP, and has invested £760million in their football coverage for the next three seasons.
Press Association Sport understands the Premier League has already written to the major UK ISPs, which also include Virgin Media and TalkTalk, to outline its plans to apply for a court order to block www.FirstRow1.eu, which are expected to be put forwards by the end of the month.
Should the court order be granted, the ISPs would then have to contest the application, or comply and restrict access.
It is understood indications are the ISPs have no plans to go against any such application.
The Premier League has for many years monitored various websites during live matches and enforced the removal of any streaming content which breaches copyright.
Ged Simpson, Posted 23/06/2013 at 11:59:05
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708 Posted 23/06/2013 at 14:41:30
BT and Sky are going to battle it out in the next few years as BT thinks that Sky has a monopoly over live sport and they want a bigger piece of the action.
As for the internet in general I'm not sure how they are going to stop sites from streaming live games as they will just keep moving, but of course they could start to punish the users of the sites and that would be another step towards a highly regulated internet with freedom of speech stopped in its tracks and users incurring a possible police record.
730 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:05:09
If they can come up with a system to ban us Blue Boys from watching First Row and the other live streams then I'm pretty damn sure that they can come up with a system to prevent paedophiles from watching the unsavoury sites that contain such content. However, there is probably no financial loss to the ISPs from such an action, unlike the problems that defending a court order would incur.
739 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:30:16
What, in my opinion, needs to happen is that the FA should lift the ridiculous restriction on broadcasting games at 3PM on Saturdays and just let Sky/BT charge per game.
742 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:50:47
743 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:36:41
I used to have Sky but you'd turn it on of a Sunday hangover to be 'entertained' by Villa vs Stoke or something. Considering something like Sportlemon seems to have a huge selection of games being broadcast somewhere in the world, I've even watched the Toffees with Russian/Polish commentary!
ESPN, Al Jazeera, Setanta etc, seem to try and avoid having the same matches so if a provider, say BT, offered this season ticket kind of thing, you'd be getting matches from the different broadcasting entities but you'd only have to deal with BT, rather than having to subscribe to a lot of individual contracts.
751 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:26:57
755 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:44:12
"needs to happen is that the FA should lift the ridiculous restriction on broadcasting games at 3PM on Saturdays and just let Sky/BT charge per game. "
Paul, I think that the reason Sky/BT weren't allowed to screen live games at 15.00hrs was that it was thought that it would have an adverse affect on gates. If Sky/BT were allowed to charge, they'd be getting the financial benefit and the clubs would lose out. Whether that has now changed, I don't know.
764 Posted 23/06/2013 at 18:10:03
What you say about the money going in to Sky's pockets rather than the clubs is a good point though. I'm not sure how they could restructure the TV money so that clubs benefit from PPV without clubs with huge fan bases (I'm thinking Man U here) getting even further ahead financially. Perhaps put all the PPV money in one pot and just divvy it up between all the PL clubs equally. The larger clubs would never go for it though even though it would still increase their income.
768 Posted 23/06/2013 at 18:32:02
We aren't in danger: If they tried to arrest every fan who has watched a stream in the last few years the whole bleedin' country will be in the nick.
769 Posted 23/06/2013 at 18:38:10
'Paul, I think that the reason Sky/BT weren't allowed to screen live games at 15.00hrs was that it was thought that it would have an adverse affect on gates.'
Good! Premier League football needs to start fearing dwindling attendances. The clubs need to start enticing the fans with affordable prices rather than safely knowing they can charge what they want and still get near enough a full house.
772 Posted 23/06/2013 at 18:43:35
It seems whatever block is implemented, some pale 14-year-old, with thin arms and specs like the bottom of coke bottles, will suss a way round/through it in a matter of minutes.
When I lived for a while in Sweden, I couldn't get the BBC iPlayer and it was as frustrating as fuck (specially with Swedish telly being shite).
When I tried to connect, something came up on screen about me being out of the country and the iPlayer not being available overseas.
Anyway, I got talking to a Scots feller in the office and he pointed me at a thing called Black VPN (or something like that).
He installed it for me and I paid about €5 a month to some company in Holland for it.
Basically it fooled the computer's 'proxies' (or...something) into thinking I was in England and I was sorted – live BBC, ITV etc
Hail the nerds I say!
Plus (just thinking about it) didn't that woman who had the alehouse in Portsmouth win her case?
From what I remember, she said she was entitled to use anything that was on offer in the EU.
Sky tried to get her on the fact that though she was entitled, she was not entitled to show their logo.
I think she said (or proved) that she was not infringing on this as she stuck a sticking plaster on the telly and over the logo.
Whatever it was, she got the decision (nb: I have NO idea if the two things are linked, just... um... wondering type stuff).
776 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:23:25
780 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:30:11
781 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:34:20
784 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:56:13
They've (isp) have failed to block the piratebay, they'll fail with this.
785 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:58:11
But, they can just move somewhere else, which takes all of one hour.
Ultimately you can't stop people pirating video/audio. You can put your finger in the dyke by blocking some of the more popular sites, but they'll just move somewhere else.
Equally I doubt it is difficult for BT to pin-point who is watching illegal streams, if they feel like fining their customers. So it's probably lawmakers who will make the biggest difference, I guess they'll catch up one day.
790 Posted 23/06/2013 at 20:40:53
Well, i've watched Toffees with Arabian and Bulgarian commentary for example (on sportlemon), and those aren't languages that I speak.
833 Posted 24/06/2013 at 00:07:20
Bring it on.
Radio Caroline and all that.
Kid Jensen and Radio Lux under the sheets
You establishment bastards will not close us down
Up the workers
And Chicory Tip
841 Posted 24/06/2013 at 00:55:48
842 Posted 24/06/2013 at 00:58:11
And the bastards were from Maidstone
Now, didn't Middle of the Road have a hot pre-Abba blonde who I bet fancied Jimmy Husband
844 Posted 24/06/2013 at 01:02:55
I always had a thing about older women, guess what? My dreams have come true I'm now with an older woman, but it doesn't seem to match the dreams I had when I was younger, It's ok she's asleep now.
Some critics have said that it actually was Jimmy Husband as they were never seen in the same place together,
I didn't know Chicory Tip were from Maidsstone though Paul.
846 Posted 24/06/2013 at 01:19:36
Are you serious?
847 Posted 24/06/2013 at 01:44:18
MK that's right - 'chirpy
'Last night I heard ....
Jimmy husband should have been in The Avengers
That blonde was hot tho MK, more so than Mary Hopkins
855 Posted 24/06/2013 at 06:22:18
857 Posted 24/06/2013 at 06:28:15
858 Posted 24/06/2013 at 06:31:09
208 Posted 25/06/2013 at 15:03:20
357 Posted 26/06/2013 at 00:20:31
The difference is that the EU courts have already ruled that a game of football cannot be copyrighted as it does not contain a "work of art". The only intellectual property issues are the premier league badge and music, which if somebody clever can hide, then there should be no problem.
754 Posted 29/06/2013 at 18:37:27
Besides that, Firstrow has a backup websites like this ready for action. It made them stronger before and it will happen again.
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